There were no Russians? The mystery of the origin of the Russian people

Veles. Artist. I. Ozhiganov

Secrets of ancient Rus. According to Russian President V.V. Putin, Russians appeared no earlier than the 5th century. n e. However, there is another opinion. So, DNA genealogy shows that the ancestors of the Russians were Arians who lived on the Russian Plain 6-XNUMX thousand years ago. This is another proof that the northern (Russian) civilization has existed for more than one millennium and that the Scythians were the direct ancestors of the Rus-Russians, and before them the Aryans and Hyperboreans.

There were no Russians?

Putin once again criticized Lenin. The President of the Russian Federation addressed this topic on Tuesday at a meeting of the Council on the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights (HRC) on December 10, 2019. In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

Putin at the same time raised the theme of the origin of the Russian people: “And who are the Russians?” Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians; he (the Russian people. - Auth.) Gradually developed from many ethnic groups. ” Thus, the head of state involuntarily supported opponents of the Russian people. In particular, Polish historians and current Ukrainian nationalists, who claim that Russians are a mixture of Slavs, Finno-Ugric peoples, Mongols and other ethnic groups. For example, Putin remembered the Khazar Khaganate, whose population professed Judaism, but ethnically did not belong to the Jewish people. The Khazars became part of the Russian state and the Russian ethnic group.

True, the fact is that ethnically at least a significant part or even most of the residents of Khazaria were Slavs-Rus. This question is disclosed in more detail in an article on VO: The Mystery of Russian Khazaria.

The mystery of the origin of Russian

There is more and more information that does not fit into the "classic" version historywhich we introduced from the West. At the same time, this information reinforces the position of historians, researchers who refused to believe in the schemes of the "biblical" and Romano-German schools. From the very beginning, science, history skillfully headed in a certain direction. This case began with the Roman and Greek chroniclers, who represented Greece, Rome and Byzantium as the advanced "enlightened" civilizations, cultural oikumeny, and other peoples declared "barbarians". Then this tradition was continued by Catholic Rome.

Only those historians and schools that fit into a certain channel of “biblical” and Roman-German history were financed. All others were deliberately suppressed, suppressed, distorted and destroyed. Sources that contradicted the version adopted in the West were destroyed, corresponded, and hid in the archives of the Vatican. This is the truth of our life. The winner writes the story. He writes for himself, for himself and for the programming of “unhistorical” peoples who are colonized and exploited. History is a powerful management priority that will allow us to program the course of development of mankind, peoples and countries hundreds of years in advance. This is a question of globalization, the management of humanity, the planet, global politics.

The last three hundred years on the planet the Western world and its "centers" of governance ": Rome, London and Washington. Therefore, in the West they write history for themselves and for themselves. It is enough to pay attention to the last two or three decades to notice how the world rewrote the history of the Second World War, respectively, and its main part - the Great Patriotic War. Now for the overwhelming majority of the “world community” Russia-USSR is an aggressor, like the Third Reich, the figure of Stalin is placed next to Hitler, the Russian, Soviet soldiers are “occupiers”, not liberators. Moreover, the myth is already being actively introduced that Hitler is better than Stalin, since he was the "defender" of enlightened Europe from the "Russian barbarians" and the Bolsheviks.

The history of mankind is written in the West. In addition to the East, where there are schools and historical myths, but they protect only their peoples and civilizations, the West completely dominates at the global level. "Biblical" and Roman-German schools, which imposed their "classical (academic") school and Russia. The union of these schools is very powerful. Any step to the side in the interpretation of historical processes is punished by immediate excommunication from the "classical school", that is, from grants, funding, any material, financial and information support. Only one historical myth is created that satisfies the rulers of the West.

We should follow the path of Russian historians, ascetics, who refused to recognize the “fact” that “there were no Russians”, that the Slavs “crawled out of the swamps and forests” no earlier than the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. That the Russian power was created by the Norse Vikings, Scandinavian Germans and Greek missionaries who baptized the "wild" Slavs. They were given writing, culture, crafts, pulled out of the darkness of paganism, when the Russians "prayed to the stumps." Among the Russian ascetics M.V. Lomonosov, V.N. Tatishchev, E.I. Klassen, D.I. Ilovaysky, A.F. Veltman, M.K. Lyubavsky, B. A. Rybakov, Yu. D. Petukhov , V.N. Dyomin, V.A. Chudinov and many others.

If our state stopped financing the “world community” and its institutions and finally took up the history of the Russian people, including large-scale archaeological excavations, in national and state interests, then we could learn a lot of interesting information about our past and world history. So, they would have known that Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia are our homeland, Russia. That in the more recent past, Russians (Russians) populated vast lands of Europe and Asia, Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Poland, Germany, Austria, the Balkans, Northern Italy. That two millennia ago there were no current inhabitants there, young nations, which appeared only in the XNUMXnd millennium BC. e. - Poles, Lithuanians, Germans, Austrians, Danes, Swedes, French, etc. All of them appeared as a result of the centuries-old expansion of the Mediterranean South to the North and East, headed by the papal throne. For centuries, Romanization, Germanization, Latinization, forced assimilation, etching of the indigenous peoples of Europe, genocide of the rebellious, and the displacement of Slavic-Russians to the east have been consciously carried out.

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language (Russian). This is indisputably proven by the toponymy of Europe, the root foundations of the Russian language, which are easily traced in all languages ​​of young sons and children of ethnic groups. It is clear that one cannot speak of a certain empire, a huge state formation throughout this territory (there were many different states), but one can safely speak of the ethnocultural-linguistic community of the Rus of Europe and Asia (Rus Hyperborean). For example, the Lithuanians became a separate people only in the XIII-XV centuries. Before that, they spoke the same language as the Russian-Russians, worshiped Perun even more than the Russians of Kiev, Vladimir and Novgorod. Previously, there was the same ethnocultural and linguistic community with the "Germans", which they became "dumb" only after many centuries of bloody battles, massacres and fires, destroying the "Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe ("Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe).

A colorful modern example of these political, informational, ideological, historical and linguistic technologies of the West we see in Little Russia - Ukraine. Where in just a century (especially this process has accelerated in the last three decades) they created the “Ukrainian chimera” - Russian-Russians, who were made to believe that they were a different people. Russians who speak Russian think Russian and swear in Russian, whose fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers are Russians, all history, culture and faith are Russians. But at the same time they are “Ukrainians” who were baited by other Russians who still remember this. So the West created another "ram", directed against Russian civilization and the Russian ethnic group. As he previously created the pan-Polish (from the Rus-glades), fiercely hating the Russians, and before that the "German" dog-knights from the Slavs of Central Europe.

Thus, the Russian ethnocultural and linguistic community (the historian Yu. D. Petukhov introduced the concept of “superethnos of the Russians”) from ancient times occupied a vast territory of Europe, the Urals and Siberia. If, over time, settlements are found beyond the Arctic Circle and under the strata of the Arctic Ocean, then we can confidently predict that these were Russian-Russian settlements. Then, with the onset of cold weather, these genera of the Rus died or went south. So many clans of Aryan-Rus got to India, and in the higher castes of the Hindus (Brahman priests and Kshatriya warriors) there are still many of our genetic relatives. There was no other "mysterious" civilization in Russia. By the era of the emergence in Europe of young subsidiary and filial ethnic groups, the first people of the Rus already had many millennia of their history and culture. In Europe, this fact was hidden under the terms “Aryans,” “Hyperboreans,” and “Indo-Europeans.” It is impossible to recognize the fact that the Russians (Russians) lived and worked before the advent of Germans, French, British or Italians. It will be a terrible geopolitical, informational and historical defeat of the West.

To be continued ...

Comments

[Sars]

The head of the Hasidic administration could repeat Gundyaev’s words that the Slavs were wild barbarians, but it’s clear that the time has not come yet.

[Aerodrome]

At the same time, Putin raised the topic of the origin of the Russian people: “And who are the Russians?” Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians; he (the Russian people. - Auth.) Gradually developed from many ethnic groups. ” Thus, the head of state involuntarily supported opponents of the Russian people.

I never doubted Putin ...

[Boris00]

Quote: Aerodrome

I never doubted Putin ...

Me too ... I knew he was.

[Stas157]

. Putin raised the theme of the origin of the Russian people: "And who are the Russians? Did not have almost until the XNUMXth century, no Russians

Initially, these are Slavs who speak Russian. The Russian language is here as the basis, as the foundation, of the nation.

Putin touched on a very delicate topic. He argues about the randomness and uncertainty of the Russian nation, as if as "Turks" inhabiting the Ottoman Empire. It's strange to hear this from the lips of the president Russian country!

[g1v2]

Initially, this is an alliance of two peoples with radically different haplogroups - two Slavic tribes (Krivichi and Ilmen Slovenes) with haplogroup R1A and three Ugrofin (chud, all, merya) with haplogroup N1c1. Further, as it spread south, other Slavic tribes began to join it, and more Slavs became more numerous than ugrofin. But this does not negate the fact that the Russians initially included peoples with different bloods and even cultures.
So where GDP is wrong here - I xs. Well, fantasies about a hundred thousand years of history are not difficult to come up with. But why? History is invented by those who did not have their own history. We have it - why mock her?

[Stas157]

Quote: g1v2

Initially this is a union of two peoples with radically different haplogroups - two Slavic tribe ... and three ugrofinsky

Where did you get this initially? Let's in a different way, what was originally, the Slavs or the Ugrofins? The question is rhetorical. Russia has always been called a Slavic state, not an Ugric state. "Strange", yes! After all, in your opinion, there were more Ugrofin tribes.

Quote: g1v2

So where GDP is wrong here - I xs.

Quote: The Truth

Putin is right.

Hello to you from the president and thank you! Keep it up.

[g1v2]

You definitely do not pull on the president, but ambition is a good thing.
Initially, there were more Ugrofin tribes, but as they moved south, this changed. Now it is believed that about 20 percent of Russians have a Ugrofin haplogroup, Slavic is a little over 50.
Again, do not forget that the Ugrofin haplogroup is common among many peoples of our country - Mordvinians or Udmurts there. Even the Chukchi have an ugrofin haplogroup. Slavic - in half of Central Asia. Over the past centuries, we have absorbed representatives of these haplogroups, and the representation of both our main haplogroups has grown.
The Ugrofin is considered to be ancient - it arose about 20 thousand years ago. "Slavyanskaya" - about 15 thousand years ago. Although, given that they arose in different places, this does not mean anything.
In this case, one must understand. that we call it Slavic only because it is characteristic of the main zone of settlement of the Slavs. The Slavs are primarily a cultural community. As well as the Turks, for example. The same Slavs-Serbs have a different haplogroup. not R1A. But the Poles or the Kyrgyz have just that. The same Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are similar in appearance and culture. And the blood is different. The Kazakhs have a "Mongolian" haplogroup, and the Kirghiz have a "Slavic" one. Moreover, both are considered to belong to the Turkic culture.

[telobezumnoe]

Igor Olga Oleg, primordially Slavic names

[Nikolai Korovin]

In the original message about the vocation of the Vikings, the Chud comes first. Lake Peipsi. Who are the chuds? Are they definitely Finno-Ugric, or are they still Slavs? As for the wide distribution of Slavic tribes at the turn of our era and earlier, it, of course, does not cause the slightest doubt. Polabian Slavs, mostly destroyed by Karl, who is considered great. Mysterious Etruscans. I am not aware of their haplogroup, but the root "rus" is very suspicious. The Dorian Threat to Mycenaean Culture. What haplogroup did the Dorians have?

But, apparently, the supporters of "Great Tartary" (or Tartary), in which the hegemony of the Slavs took place, are mistaken. There were very few Slavs beyond the Urals, if there were. Slavic artifacts of the XVI-XVII centuries are located mainly along the Transsib, something has not been heard about the earlier ones. They stopped swimming in Mangazeya in the XNUMXth century due to the Little Ice Age. So - before the formation of "classical" Russia, the spread of the Slavs in Europe was much greater than it is now, there were separate not very large state formations, but there was undoubtedly no single state. On the territory of modern Russia there was a strong mixing with the Finno-Ugric, Bulgarian and other populations. It is really difficult to call all these tribal formations the Russian people.
It is also necessary to take into account the numerous Goths who left the Central Russian Plain in more favorable climatic conditions in the IV-V centuries ("Great Migration of Nations"), crushed the Western Roman Empire and pretty much pinched the Eastern one.

[g1v2]

In principle, the spread of haplogroups allows you to answer many historical questions. From Finland to Chukotka, most of the peoples have a Ugric haplogroup. From the borders of the former GDR to Altai, the "Slavic" is widespread. At the same time, the zone of distribution of this haplogroup was torn apart by Kazakhstan from the Mongolian haplogroup - a clear trace of the Mongol invasion of Central Asia.
In antiquity, it’s difficult to say of course - you have to dig here. But the fact that the Polovtsy or Pechenegs were so strongly intertwined with the Russian princes is explained in my opinion just by the memory of kinship. Usually sedentaries constantly fight in nomads, and here there was a complete interaction. Married, sought help, and so on.
Obviously, there were some kind of state education, since the Scandinavians did not call our lands in vain. But there is practically no exact information. And inventing a story for yourself is a dangerous business. It is necessary to dig. Both in archeology and in studies of ancient burials on haplogroups. The scope for study is enormous. But just for study.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: g1v2

Obviously, there were some kind of state education, since the Scandinavians did not call our lands in vain.

"GardarIki" is not a country of cities (city in Scandinavian "borg" / "björg"), it is a country of fenced settlements. So, about the state educators - h.z.

[Arkon]

Quote: HanTengri

it is a country of fenced settlements.

It is not even a fact that there are "settlements". Gardar is the capital and the guard is a cane, a pole. A staff, a pole is an attribute of an enlightened, royal power. Therefore, "Gardarika" can simply mean: capital country, royal country.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Arkon

Gardar - the capital and guard - cane, pole. A staff, a pole is an attribute of an enlightened, royal authority.

Where did you get this?

The toponym is based on the root garð- (related to the Indo-European gard-), meaning 1) “fence, fence, fortification”, 2) “yard, enclosed space”, 3) “yard, possession, farm (in Iceland), house ( in Norway)"
Wiki

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[Arkon]

"Gardar (Old Norse. Garðar) - the" capital "of the Viking settlements in Greenland"
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80

And ancient Russia was also called Gardar
https://www.academia.edu/4970672/%D0%9E_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8_Gardar._In_Scando-Slavica._T._30_1984_._C._133_143

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Arkon

"Gardar (Old Norse. Garðar) - the" capital "of the Viking settlements in Greenland"

I know, but she appeared 3 centuries later than GardarIki. Language tends to change.

Quote: Arkon

And ancient Russia was also called Gardar

It was called - Gardariki - the country of vegetable gardens. This is a scientific fact. But you are free to invent yourself any pleasant tale. You can even go and, for vigor, what thread to dig up the sea.

[Arkon]

Quote: HanTengri

It was called - Gardariki - the country of vegetable gardens. This is a scientific fact. But you are free to invent yourself any pleasant tale.

So it's not me. This is T.N. Dzhakson - Russian and Soviet Scandivist historian. It is she in the article "On the name of Rus Gardar" writes about this. Actually, this is known to all historians. The name Gardar is earlier, and Gardarika is later and more common. You open the link.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Arkon (Andrey)
This is T.N. Jackson - Russian and Soviet historian-scandivist ...

The key here is "scandivist". Here she is from the point of view of a scandivist and speaks about Russia. And if you still look at her biography ... Where is she:

In 2004-2008 she held the position of "Professor II" at the University Tromso (Norway).

It becomes clear whose historical version it stands for. From a different position, she would simply not be accepted in Norway. It is these "historians" who disseminate the version according to which "cultural" Vikings taught the "barbarians" of the Slavs everything.

[Arkon]

Here you can download the article: https://vk.com/wall-7768848_10334
And here is a quote from the article:

The most correct from a methodological point of view is the interpretation of the question of the relationship between the two names of Russia in an article by F. A. Brown. According to the researcher, the form of Gardariki is the creation of Icelanders who recorded sagas (starting from the end of the XII century). Until that time (in the X, XI and XII centuries), the Gardar form was used to designate Russia throughout the Scandinavian Peninsula. And the question of the meaning of the sought after toponyms should be decided not on the material of the later Gardariki, but only on the basis of the original Gardar. Following this instruction, we turn to the sources

[Local from the Volga]

Precisely, dig! In the land, in the archives, and not carry a gag like this author!

[Eshka]

By nationality, Komi Permyak (Finno-Finnish group) in our language there are many words from other languages ​​in meaning and pronunciation, one to one is Chinese, German, English, many Asian languages ​​and how many more languages ​​that I have not heard to compare?
After two weeks of studying the German language, as a schoolboy, I already translated dubbed films and translated many words when I heard for the first time that it came from me as a riddle and remained for me.

[Karen]

Very interesting ... Then one Bulgarian wrote that he was surprised how similar the clothes of the Chuvash people are to theirs ... You will also have to look for your own among others ...

[Kruglov]

Oh, I guess what German films you translated!

[gsev]

Quote: Nikolai Korovin

They stopped swimming in Mangazeya in the XNUMXth century due to the small ice age.

As far as I know in the archives there are unsubscribes about sending sovereign people who were entrusted with the task of creating the city of Mangazeya. This was in 1600 (17th century). All the assumptions about the earlier campaigns of Russian merchants to Mangazeya, this is evidence from the records of Shakhovsky and Khripunov that several dwellings like dugouts were found in the place of the city founded by them. In principle, from the first Russian visit to Mangazeya with the purpose of trade to the founding of the city, the minimum necessary time passed for the tax authorities of Russia to reveal the fact of non-payment of tax when trading in fur. One should not think that this time was measured by the life of a generation, rather, the time of consideration of a denunciation of illegal entrepreneurial activity. For details, see the historian Belov. He wrote that as half a century later they knocked out the sable in those places, and stopped going to Mangazeya.

[Stas157]

Quote: g1v2

Initially, this is a union of two peoples ... two Slavic tribes ... and three Ugrofin

Historical: Brothers Slavs! Judging according to your brilliant calculations is not entirely true? Since it belittles a large Ugrofin component. If there was really so, then hundreds of years, we all had to shout something completely different: "Hello, brothers, finougry!" Hello Finans, Estonians and Hungarians ...

I can imagine the surprise of the Finns, Estonians and Hungarians!))) Our Slav brothers would be surprised no less. Bandera in Ukraine, by the way, play on your side. They also represent the history of Russians in a similar vein.

I noticed a long time ago, if only our president makes some mistake, there is a whole army of ardent "patriots" who defended the authorities.

[g1v2]

Do you propose to erase the "tale of bygone years" or the Novgorod chronicles? We have no other information. And there are clearly spelled out the tribes that invited Rurik.
And by the way, I’ll upset you, but Lithuanians and Finns and Estonians are really relatives to us. Only the ratio of haplogroups is different. Percentage. Ukrainians are just part of our people, they have the same haplogroup. What is ours. The concentration of the Ugrofin haplogroup increases with the advance to the north, but it is also present in dill.
Well, your hysteria says only about the reluctance to understand the subject. and the ardent desire to throw feces on the fan. What for? I do not understand.

[Red Bogatyr]

caplogroup maps R1a and N (the so-called "Finno-Ugric")

yesterday I was a little mistaken, in the southern regions - the "Balt" branch of N, in the northern regions - "Finnish"

[Captain45]

Quote: Stas157

we had to shout something completely different: "Hello, brothers, finougry!" Hello Finans, Estonians and Hungarians ...

And where did they get to Mordovia? Where is moksha with erzey?

[Eshka]

In the Komi-Permian language, a bunch of birch branches is called Ross in Russian broom, maybe the Russians appeared from the unification of many peoples, how is it now beneficial for someone to birch branches to be bundled, to untie this bunch and divide us and quarrel from inside?

[Simargl]

Quote: Eshka

a bunch of birch branches is called Ross in Russian broom

Maybe not a broom, but a broom / wreath?

[Red Bogatyr]

there N is not Finnish, but the Baltic branch! Russian Finnish Y-DNA has practically no!

[Pravodel]

Putin is just right. There really were no Russians in the modern sense of "Russian". On the vast territory of Eurasia lived Slavs, Slavic tribes who spoke the Old Slavonic language, the same for all Slavic tribes related to each other. From the Old Slavonic language, it was the Russian language that subsequently stood out. And the Greeks Cyril and Mifodiy singled it out. The main question of the history of the Slavs, Slavic tribes is not the establishment of the Russians as the main ones in the Slavic ethnos, but how exactly the tribes of the Ross and Russians separated from the composition of the tribes and became the main forming ethnos of all Slavs, how the Russian language became a constituent in all territories of Russia, Russia: for the Finno-Ugric, Turkic tribes, etc., living and living in the territory of Russia.

[V.I.F.]

Quote: The Truth

From the Old Slavic language in the future, it was the Russian language that stood out. And the Greeks Cyril and M singled it outиfody

First, Mеfody.
Secondly, before writing nonsense - understand the question. There are very clear and interesting articles on this topic. Enough to produce false history, which, according to our own understanding, was composed - in this heresy we will sink our real history sooner or later.

[Keyser soze]

First, Methodius.

Secondly - Methods.

Greek - Μεθόδιος, Methodios; Church Slavonic (Bulgarian 9th century) - Moєѳdii.

And finally teach the ancient Greek alphabet, otherwise it already warps ....

[gsev]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Secondly - Methods.

Methods are like writing Moskva instead of Moscow in English. This, like Methodius, will be considered ignorance of spelling, history or geography. No one, for the sake of modern perception of phonetics, will correct the 200-year-old works of Russian historians and rewrite the 1100-year-old Russian church literature. In addition, we do not know how the name Methodius was actually pronounced in Greece and Bulgaria over 1000 years ago. The language is changing. In Russian it is correct to say "learn finally" .. "Teach finally" makes you think in order to understand you.

[lelik613]

Did he see with his own eyes that they were not there? Witness ...

[Military Builder]

I never doubted Putin ...

and what did you want to hear from a person with a surname by mother - Sholomov

[Operator]

The name of V. Putin's mother was Maria Ivanovna Shelomova (born in 1911 in the village of Zarechye, Tver province)

[Military Builder]

I would be sincerely glad if I am mistaken, and Shelomova is not from a word as a scholom, but a photo of GDP in a yarmulk, I am worried

[Operator]

Shelomovs from the word "shelom" - helmet.

By the way - what do you think was the probability in 1911 of finding a Jewish family in the countryside of the Tver province (far from the Pale of Settlement of the Russian Empire) and even with the patronymic "Ivanovichi"?

[AU Ivanov.]

Even in 2019, this probability tends to zero.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Operator

what do you think was the probability in 1911 to find a family of Jews in the countryside of the Tver province (

Going out is easy.

[Operator]

Vykrestov - peasants do not happen in principle

[Ingvar 72]

There were Andrey, they were. A little true, but met. Often I study the biographies of those in power, historical figures, and several times came across ancestors of Jewish origin who converted to Christianity and lived in villages.
And the surname of Putin’s mother is equally likely to be of Jewish origin or Russian. Jews often changed letters in surnames in order to pass for locals. Full of examples.
P.S. someone decided to stick to me on this branch of minuses!

[vignat21]

So you carry heresy, if on different branches minus.

[mikh-korsakov]

Military builder! This is not a yarmulke, but a skullcap - a very common headdress for quite a Russian boy of the fifties.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Military Builder

I never doubted Putin ...

and what did you want to hear from a person with a surname by mother - Sholomov

Maybe we’ll better talk about Zelensky or Poroshenko .. Slavic-Russian blood of children ... Valtsman and Zelensky ... And on the other hand, that you don’t like Jews like that .. ??? Just like Shilkgruber Adolf Aloizych ..

[Military Builder]

Maybe we’ll better talk about Zelensky or Poroshenko

yes, yes, or about Syria it is still possible, because there are problems only there, they still don't get up from their knees

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Military Builder

Maybe we’ll better talk about Zelensky or Poroshenko

yes, yes, or about Syria it is still possible, because there are problems only there, they still don't get up from their knees

Have you ever gotten off your knees? I’m really very worried about you. Everyday you understand!

[Svarog]

Quote: Aerodrome

At the same time, Putin raised the topic of the origin of the Russian people: “And who are the Russians?” Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians; he (the Russian people. - Auth.) Gradually developed from many ethnic groups. ” Thus, the head of state involuntarily supported opponents of the Russian people.
I never doubted Putin ...

So Putin not only in words he actually supports opponents of the Russian people.

[Stas157]

Quote: Svarog

So Putin not only in words he actually supports opponents of the Russian people.

And so it is! All the time internationalism is emphasized in everything. The role of the Russian ethnos is minimized. As a result of such a policy, Russians are dying out, being replaced by other nations and migrants.
If we take the statistics, the extinction of the Russian nation is proceeding at such a pace that it does not have time to replace the influx of migrants and those nations who have a good birth rate.

[bk316]

And so it is!

It’s as if you don’t really offend, Great Russian chauvinists, you don’t understand, but Russia was and will be the Empire. A empire ABOVENATIONAL STATE.
Stalin understood this, and for this you are kicking him, criticizing his national policy.
Believe me, he knew what he was doing, and we and Russia still exist only for this reason.

The Russians in our empire are the core nation and it takes all the blows in the first place, this is a heavy burden. Do you want the national turmoil to be added to these blows? This is an old dream of the enemies of Russia, but will not work ....

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

А do you want what to these blows national unrest. It's a long time the dream of the enemies of Russiabut will not work ....

Where did I express such a desire, Mr.dreamer?

There were no problems with national politics in the USSR, although there were 15 national republics. Now (when only one of the 15 republics is left), according to Putin, the national issue in Russia is one of the most pressing. It is often decided to the detriment of the root nation.
Why do Russians die out and literally go substitution Russian ethnic group, this question is appropriate to ask the president of Russia. But you seem to have a different opinion.

[bk316]

Where did I express such a desire, Mr. Dreamer?

So you (in the plural) and give rise to this turmoil.
Here are your like-minded people right here in VO write to all Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc. expel from Moscow. NOTE All. Do you personally have such a desire?

It is often decided to the detriment of the root nation.

Yes, you understand, it is not to the detriment, it is at the expense. This is the burden of the core nation.

Why do Russians die out

And let me ask you this question.
Why do Russian families have one child, but in Tatar 4, and in Tuvan 8?
Answer.

IN USSR there were no problems with national politics, although there were 15 national republics.

Did not have? NO? Che was Sumgait not? Yes, you are simply an ignoramus or a liar. Moreover, I will say that the entire national policy of the USSR collapsed. And this is exactly what became one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR (for me it’s so important). Do you recall what was the purpose of national politics?

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

Why do Russian families have one child, but in Tatar 4, and in Tuvan 8?
Answer.

I’m not the president to answer this question. This is in his area of ​​competence.
But, seriously, I, by the way, to this question answered. And in detail. There it is impossible in a nutshell. Look in my comments if you are really interested.

[bk316]

I’m not the president to answer this question.

Want to say scary. HE DOESN'T KNOW either.
You are just like a child. GDP can do anything, and if it doesn’t, it means it doesn’t want to — it means the enemy.
I’m wondering. Have you ever run something more or less big and not military?

[Stas157]

Big no. Maximum 20 people. I have been asked a similar question more than once, about leadership and subtleties associated with this. Say, do not stick your nose into difficult spheres! But do you seem like a big leader? So formulate what is hidden from others there. The forum is just for this.

[bk316]

Say, do not stick your nose into difficult spheres!

Do not be offended, I had a completely different mind.
Even 20 people is enough to understand simple seemingly obvious solutions are usually wrong. The fact is that any impact on the system gives rise to a lot of consequences. In most cases, these consequences together give a greater negative effect than the positive action itself.
The country is a huge system, the national question is the most complicated, the consequences of any action are possibly catastrophic. Just because it lies in the sphere of responsibility of GDP does not mean that he knows what needs to be done. BUT I AM SURE YOU DO NOT KNOW ALSO.

I can formulate my position, but whether it will be interesting to you and others I don’t know, it's still Military Review In addition, I am not special in this matter.
I can write with high probability what will happen in 10 years with AI, the Internet, and the information sphere in general.

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

The country is a huge system, the national question is the most complicated,

As a bad system do not tune into:

Quote: bk316

the consequences of any action are possibly disastrous

Initially, the correct system does not need much balancing. This cannot be said of a system in which interests are outweighed in the direction of one small group. They already need a whole system of balances and weights to pacify the discontented majority. Then, the weak center always gives rise to centrifugal accelerations of the national suburbs ... ABC.

[bk316]

As a bad system do not tune into:

In general, yes. Now evaluate what system the GDP received.
In fact, EBN's phrase "take as much sovereignty as you can" should have led to the collapse of the Russian Federation, but something went wrong.
However, by the time the GDP arrived, not even speaking about Chechnya, Dagestan, etc.,
the very system you are writing about was completely unbalanced.

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

Now evaluate what system the GDP received.

Instead of changing a bad system, he began to strengthen and balance it.
GDP is just doesn't want change the system laid down by Yeltsin and the oligarchs. Because he is her guarantor and guardian. First of all, before the Family and those who raised it to the top.

[bk316]

First of all, before the Family and those who raised it to the top.

Stupidity is no longer a family. But with GDP everything is clear. He is a conservative, not in the sense of conservative views, but in the sense of how to conserve crises. Perhaps he is the best conservative in the world. In 2000, such a person was needed, any other would plunge the country into the abyss of chaos. After 20 years, he continues to do what he knows best. This must be accepted and prepared for the year 24 ...

[bk316]

First of all, before the Family and those who raised it to the top.

By the way, it’s funny that you have such a good opinion about GDP.
Believe me, there are no such obligations in politics that they will keep the president of the Russian Federation for 20 years. Even in business this does not happen now.

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

Believe me, there are no such obligations in politics

Nevertheless, he performed them. And the system laid down by Yeltsin was strengthened and balanced. Well, memory with honors does not forget to render an alcoholic.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

300 comments and only 24 likes To the author of the article !!! Good or bad? To be honest I don’t know ????
A global question that ten centuries ago could not be answered. The author of the story of temporary years and the present work are two different quantities that cannot be compared !!! In fact, the two scales of Nimizida, where is the truth, and where is the lie?
Thoughts
Dear Alexander, appeals to DNA and cites Herodotus, or rather his Hyperborea, as the authority of the father of history! He plays in terms of Russ-Russians, Slavic-Russes, Arians, not forgetting along the way to refute Lenin, Putin and despising the masters of the West!
Now in order. Any person, depending on his attitude to religion, imagines himself a descendant of a monkey or in the image and likeness of God, both of them count several thousand years in their history! If you untwist a DNA chain, you can find among your common ancestors a lot of interesting and even unpleasant! For example, neighbors Ukrainians are close relatives to us, however, like the Baltic states, the Germans, to whom the "owners of the west" Anglo-Saxons belong! The sadness is that all of these "relatives" are descendants of the Aryans !!! It becomes even sadder that civilizations are not built on blood, but on socio-economic principles, where the main language, and not the genetic line of the “great ancestors”! Even the Hyperborea and Gardarika stamps used by Alexander are definitely non-Russian and not even Slavic names ...
Scythians? Tatishchev also wrote that this is not the self-name of their people, but the Greek tracing-paper of “skin”, “leather clothes” in which the inhabitants of the Black Sea region dressed! However, like the word "Barbara", which was considered by the inhabitants of Athens and Syracuse of the ancient Romans !!!
We don’t know who and where our ancestors lived, what campaigns they went on and under what banners they fought - it’s the same to call a resident of the Chelyabinsk region a descendant of a priestess from Arkaim! Perhaps the truth, but it is possible! Herodotus put handsome Androphages (cannibals) there!
Who wants such great-great-great-grandfathers? And then there is no choice, parents do not choose !!!
Now about the sad! If we remove populism, then in the article of Alexander there is only water and emotions! The development of our ethnos is directly related to the expansion, which led to the fact that about a thousand years ago, the author of the Tale stated "the Russian land came from here!" That is, it’s corny no matter what and why it became the reason, the main thing in understanding society itself is Russia, and not glades, drevlyans, cranks and all. Moreover, in Russia, as a state with the advent of the device and control system. First, polyuds and squads, then graveyards and boyars.
Tracking tomponimics, our ancestors as a vacuum cleaner absorb not only the Khazars, but also Meruv, Mordovia, Mescher, Muromu, and these are only nationalities with the letter “m”! So Putin is right, basically, the realization of the Russian state begins with a union, continues with expansion and ....., and they can’t be deleted for a thousand years. We lost everything (the Tatar-Mongol invasion unrecognized by the Author) and gained a lot (at least five peoples live in Russia alone, and at least three Tatars descendants of the Mongols) and, contrary to all, we continue to live and exist as a single multinational state!
Conclusion, and we need to "sculpt ourselves a few millennia of history, realizing that we were in the power of Germanarchus or Attila, went to the Bayan army or cleaned Arpid's needs? Yes, this is the history of the Slavs, but not the history of Russia .........
Regards, Kote!

[Stas157]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

If we remove populism, then Alexander’s article remains only water and emotions!

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

So Putin is right, basically the realization of the Russian state begins with an alliance, continues with expansion

Where is Putin saying this? Why do you attribute a gag to him? He claimed something else:

And who are the Russians? Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians

It is not good for the president of a great country to speak so dismissively of his nation!

This is you, Vladislav, in such a long commentary, "only water and emotions"and a desire to pinch the author. Although the article is on a topical issue (the president's unexpected attitude to the Russian ethnos). And you just did not answer it. Who are the Russians? Weren't they really there, as our president claims?"
My personal opinion is that Russians appeared, at least, with the emergence of the Russian language and its dialects. And this is already the 6-7th century, and not 9, as Putin said.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Stas, you surprise me by confusing the warm with the soft, namely the people and the state!
Russians are not just people, but people living in a state formation and realizing that this is a Russian state! Moreover - it cannot be the province of Persia, the satrapism of the Khazars or the barony in France. Rus, Rugi, Dew should be the dominant in education, and not one of the tribes of tributaries of the hordes of Attila and Bayan! In fact, at the turn of the 8th – 9th centuries, the tribes of the Eastern Slavs were the “overripe fruit”, in which the economic, social and cultural process of the formation of the state began! I don’t know if Rurik was, but if he wasn’t there, there was someone else who started the process of expansion (involvement) in the process of statehood by imposing tribute (polyud), regardless of the nation and religion. It began with Krivichy, Polyans, Drevlyans and Vyatichi! Where are they? They are among us, they are Russians!

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: bk316

Believe me, there are no such obligations in politics

Nevertheless, he performed them. And the system laid down by Yeltsin was strengthened and balanced. Well, memory with honors does not forget to render an alcoholic.

But you would do better. Sometimes you want to use foul language for know-it-alls who have one or two recipes for all occasions - to shoot, divide and resurrect Stalin.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: bk316

Now evaluate what system the GDP received.

Instead of changing a bad system, he began to strengthen and balance it.
GDP is just doesn't want change the system laid down by Yeltsin and the oligarchs. Because he is her guarantor and guardian. First of all, before the Family and those who raised it to the top.

He doesn’t want to. What was said yesterday

[Afghan1979]

And I will ask your grace another question. Tell me how many purely Russians in the leadership of the country, republics, regions, cities? Russians by nationality are simply pushed away from cherished or profitable places, replacing them with Armenians, Tatars, etc. Without a livelihood, respectively, they cannot have children either. This is where I see the problem. Let the Russian earn normally and support him then there will be a dozen children in the family.

[Sergej1972]

In fairness, in most urban Tatar families there are 1-2 children, in rural 1-3 children.

[Captain45]

Quote: Stas157

There were no problems with national politics in the USSR, although there were 15 national republics.

And each major nationality lived in its own republic: Ukrainians in the Ukrainian SSR, Armenians in the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Azerbaijanis in the Azerbaijan SSR, etc., even the Chukchi had their own autonomous Chukotka District and the Jewish Autonomous Region. And in the Baltic states, as well as in Lviv, defiantly in the 80s didn’t turn their nose to the question asked in Russian? And when all these first secretaries of the national communist parties, who swore by Allah and the party of Lenin, decided to become real bays, then the USSR cracked along national borders. And who suggested the national structure, huh? With whom did Comrade Stalin debate over government affairs? What is the surname of this state official, isn't it? Not V.I. Lenin? No? So what was wrong Putin when he said that this character planted a bomb under the state system of the USSR? Something during the tsarist territorial division in the province no one knew Russian, he was Belarusian, orthodox or Muslim, or Lutheran.

[Simargl]

Quote: Captain45

And each major nationality lived in its own republic: Ukrainians in the Ukrainian SSR, Armenians in the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Azerbaijanis in the Azerbaijan SSR, etc., even the Chukchi had their own autonomous Chukotka District and the Jewish Autonomous Region

Can i ask you? And how many Jews are in the EAO?

[Simargl]

Quote: Stas157

If we take the statistics, the extinction of the Russian nation is proceeding at such a pace that it does not have time to replace the influx of migrants and those nations who have a good birth rate.

And what is it in Europe? Is the population growing? As it turned out, even migrants are not able to provide growth.
Maybe the thing is different?

[Mavrikiy]

The grandmother on the mound in the argument about the Russians, Lenin and Stalin has more meaning than 10 GDP.

[Blanket]

But relatively recently, the guarantor publicly stated, for example, that MT yoke wasn’t ...

[Nikolaevich I]

I believe that this is just the case when you should say: "Whose cow would bellow, but it would be better for him to be silent ..."![quote = Pike] But relatively recently, the guarantor publicly stated, for example, that MT yoke wasn’t ...

[Simargl]

Quote: Pike

But relatively recently, the guarantor publicly stated, for example, that MT yoke wasn’t ...

Answer two questions:
1 - when was the term MT yoke introduced?
2 - how does the part of the Dzhuchi ulus (for example, the Principality of Moscow ... or the Kazan Khanate) differ from ... the part of Russia (for example, Tatarstan)?
... a bonus ...
3 - how did Russia appear?

[Fraracol_2]

The President is certainly never an expert in this matter, but this is probably a few points where I can agree with him.

[Kronos]

What is the difference whether or not the USA, for example, is 300 years old but they are not looking for thousand-year-old roots

[Uncle lee]

and other nations declared "barbarians"

Only the Slavic chronology is 7524 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple .... So who are the "barbarians"?

[Reptiloid]

I read that Pushkin designated dates just by such a chronology.

Quote: Uncle Lee

and other nations declared "barbarians"

Only the Slavic chronology is 7524 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple .... So who are the "barbarians"?

[mikh-korsakov]

A lot of time has passed. You can think as you like. I know firmly - man descended from a monkey - that’s how they taught me in a Soviet school. In general, the article resembles the reasoning of the Ukrainians that they came from the ancient Sumerians. Maybe from the Sumerians. But ultimately, Ukrainians, like everyone else, came from a monkey. In this respect, Putin is right - as if we were brothers with them - because everything is from a monkey. And the rest. Meli Emelya ... This is about the press conference.

[qQQQ]

I’ll support it, there’s not much else and we will compete with the ancient Ukrainians for the right to tame dinosaurs, and they will whine that they were even mosquitoes.

[kalibr]

"The ancestors of the Rus-Russians were the Scythians, and before them the Aryans and Hyperboreans." The article states this. But where is the DNA genealogy data confirming the relationship of the Rus with the Scythians, Aryans and Hyperboreans. Huyperborean DNA in the studio!

[Operator]

According to genetic analysis of bone remains in Scythians, the dominant haplogroup was North Semitic J2 (as well as for all residents of Asia Minor, East Caucasus and the Iranian Highlands). The minor Aryan haplogroup R1a of the Black Sea subclade Z-282 was 1/4 (descendants of the East European migrants of the 2nd millennium BC).

The Northern Semites were assimilated by the Aryans in a cultural-linguistic sense - they spoke the Sanskrit dialect, supported the animal style in decorative and applied art, the pantheon of pagan gods was based on Aryan mythology.

[Sertorius]

According to genetic analysis of bone remains in Scythians, the dominant haplogroup was North Semitic J2

A very bold statement. Is there a source?

[Operator]

See Reformat.ru.

And what really surprises you - J2 is still dominant among the Turks, Iranians, Azerbaijanis, Chechens, Ingush and Uzbeks, it is about 1/3 among Iraqis, Tajiks and Pashtuns.

[Sertorius]

See "Reformat.ru".

This is not serious. There are a lot of things. It’s the same as saying - see the Internet. There on the site, mainly - Klyosov. He definitely has no Scythians and J2.

J2 is still dominant among the Turks, Iranians, Azerbaijanis, Chechens, Ingush and Uzbeks; it is about 40% among Iraqis, Tajiks and Pashtuns

Who argues with this? Where are the Scythians? It is doubtful that the ancient authors under the Scythians meant the ancestors of the peoples you listed. I thought you would refer to some work on deciphering the haplogroup of Scythians.

[Operator]

Correction - the Black Sea subclade R1a is encoded as Z93.

[Wildcat]

I support fair requirements!
And I would also like to see the articles of this author in a separate topic - not "History", but "History according to Samsonov" or whatever else be called. Just for safety - so that everyone knows what they can read with their eyes, and then it gets into the brain (especially at the end of the week, it's harmful).

[TokarevT]

Why not in this Russian outline compete with Abraham, and their gods, dusted by the sons of Israel, not rise and throw from their shoulders the mountains of mud piled on them by Yahweh through the sons of Israel, instead of looking back at some ukrov created for Russian money?

[mikh-korsakov]

You read such articles and think, the less we know about this issue, the easier it is to politicize. It would never occur to anyone to politicize sopromat. Although stop -
was the case. In the late forties they even managed to politicize genetics and quantum mechanics. Just do not think that this case was organized by Comrade. Stalin. This is a matter of lackeys and clowns, who started fussing for the best place in the radiance of the leader of the peoples. Comrade Stalin did not understand this. he was only in linguistics luminary.

[Doctor]

I know firmly - man descended from a monkey

Kaka from at least two.

[venaya]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Only Slavic reckoning 7524 year from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple

Of course I apologize, but they write to me that the word "Slavs" appears only in 1601, and earlier the term Russeni was often used, this term was used even earlier by the Cossacks on the Amur. Therefore, it would be more accurate to write the 7528th summer from the creation of the World in the Star Temple, perhaps according to the Russian chronology (and not the year-reckoning). But this is so, just a clarification.

[Uncle lee]

"Summer 7528 has come on the Calendar of Russia. (This happened at 18:21 on September 2019, XNUMX, according to Christian calculus)"
To be precise !

[venaya]

Quote from Uncle Lee

On the Calendar of Russia, 7528 summers began (this happened at 18 p.m. on September 21, 2019, “the year” according to Christian calculus) ..

I almost agree, only I have doubts about the age of Christianity itself, anyone, it is believed that he will be less years old, and I don’t even specify this. And in Russia for any age it will be more.

[Uncle lee]

Then: According to the chronology adopted today, .... Or: (According to the chronology imposed on us)

[venaya]

Quote from Uncle Lee

According to the chronology imposed on us

Of course, the question is very serious, I am just now considering various systems of chronology and came to the conclusion that their creation would not have been possible without the presence and creation of at least some forms of writing. Yes, indeed the chronology "from the Nativity of Christ" is clearly imposed on us, but there are other calendars, and there are many of them, as if they have our origin, it is a pity that it is difficult to organize discussions on this topic on this site, there is a lot of information and not everyone will be able to it is normal to perceive it.

[TokarevT]

Good day!
A very interesting topic, from time to time various fragments catch my eye.
Share links to your material?

[Mcar]

Quote: venaya

I have doubts about the age of Christianity itself, anyone, it is believed that he will be less years

Less is a soft word.

It is full of medieval engravings, documents in which dates begin not with units, but with i. For example, like this:

If it is THOUSAND 609, then I am the Pope.

To someone completely new, here:
https://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/tysjacheletie-kotorogo-ne-bylo
To bukafmnoga, here:

[Alanart]

If it's THOUSAND 609, then I'm the Pope.)

Your Holiness, what year is on this coin? :)

[img]https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=%D0%A1rown%20George%201741&pos=4&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ucoin.net%2Fcoin%2F17%2F597%2F17597646-2%2Funited_kingdom-1-2-crown-1741.jpg&rpt=simage&ts=1576735954647[/img]

And on this one?

[img]https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=Crown+1711+anne&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.numisbids.com%2Fsales%2Fhosted%2Fbaldwin%2Fstjames24%2Fimage00146.jpg&pos=0&rpt=simage&parent-reqid=1576736128489487-1149123003969634778000125-vla1-2435-TCH&source=wiz&ts=1576736398569[/img]

Or, if it is 1711, should you be called the Apostle Peter? :)

[Mcar]

Quote: Alanart

Or, if it is 1711, should you be called the Apostle Peter? :)

Or.

If it is THOUSAND 699, then I am also Harry Potter.

[Fat]

Quote: venaya

Quote from Uncle Lee

Only Slavic reckoning 7524 year from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple

Of course I apologize, but they write to me that the word "Slavs" appears only in 1601, and earlier the term Russeni was often used, this term was used even earlier by the Cossacks on the Amur. Therefore, it would be more accurate to write the 7528th summer from the creation of the World in the Star Temple, perhaps according to the Russian chronology (and not the year-reckoning). But this is so, just a clarification.

Is Inglyism Alive? Interestingly, did A. Khinevich be imprisoned or acquitted in 2015?
In any case, materials from the Omsk "Asgardian Theological School" are massively present on the Internet. Da'ari, ka'ari, svyatorus and rasens from the ancient continent on every native faith site ..

[venaya]

Quote: Thick

Interestingly, did A. Khinevich be imprisoned or acquitted in 2015? ..

Are you so afraid of the simple truth? Vaughn Yegor Klassen was banned for 150 years, it was there that he had the self-name "et Ruskov" as Slovenia and Russeni. And that he was also a Rodnover? Or just a person was engaged in science and it was Polish Catholicism that achieved the prohibition of his book. You will find out there at home that you want to prohibit science or religious confessions, otherwise the claims against me are completely incomprehensible. Is knowledge and not religion so dangerous and prohibited by law? And even on this page the Bulgarian writes the same as me, and no complaints. You only have some complaints about Russia, the Russians, or me personally, but as soon as a foreigner writes about the same thing, is everything okay? All these games remind me more of the mental disorders of individuals. It's a pity, it's a pity, I don't even understand right away how to act in such cases.

[Wolf]

Catholics called RACI!

[Flooding]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Only Slavic reckoning of 7524 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple ..

Which constellation is it in?

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

Which constellation is it in?

Have you heard anything about the Decree of Peter 1 on the transition from the summer calculus to the year of calculus, thanks to which he stole 5508 years of our history from us?

[Flooding]

Quote: Boris55

Have you heard anything about the Decree of Peter 1 on the transition from the summer calculus to the year of calculus, thanks to which he stole 5508 years of our history from us?

I have not heard anything about the mention of the star temple in the decrees of Peter.

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

I have not heard anything about the mention of the star temple in the decrees of Peter.

His task was to destroy our history, and not engage in its PR. Therefore, we did not hear about the great battle between the white and yellow races, where we won, and as an echo that has survived since then to this day, this is the rider piercing the dragon with a spear, now known as "St. George the Victorious".

[Boris55]

ps
"Star Temple" is the name of the year when peace was created (concluded) between our races and the summer reckoning was started from the beginning.

[Flooding]

Quote: Boris55

"Star Temple" is the name of the year when peace was created (concluded) between our races and the summer reckoning was started from the beginning.

Where is that brochure sold where it is written?
Tell me the address, please.
I do not ask about the source.
I understand that it is top secret.

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

I understand that it is top secret.

Completely open:
Examples of Slavic records (for 2014 from R.Kh.).

Summer 7522 from Creation in the Star Temple (5508 BC)
Summer 13022 from the Great Cold (Great Cooling).
40018 Summer from the Third Arrival of Whiteman Perun.
44558 Summer from the Creation of the Great Kolo Russenia.
106792 summer from the Founding of Asgard of Iria (from 9 Taylet).
111820 summer from the Great Migration from Daariya.
Summer 143004 from the Three Moon Period.
Summer 153380 from Assa Dei.
165044 Summer from Tara Time.
185780 Summer from Tula Time.
211700 Summer from Time of Swag.
Summer 273908 from Time h'Arra.
460532 Summer from the Time of the Gift.
Summer 604388 from the Time of Three Suns.

[Flooding]

Remember the Soviet cartoon "Golden Antelope"?

Quote: Boris55

Summer 7522 from Creation in the Star Temple (5508 BC)
Summer 13022 from the Great Cold (Great Cooling).
40018 Summer from the Third Arrival of Whiteman Perun.

Enough !!!

Quote: Boris55

44558 Summer from the Creation of the Great Kolo Russenia.
106792 summer from the Founding of Asgard of Iria (from 9 Taylet).
111820 summer from the Great Migration from Daariya.

Stop !!!

Quote: Boris55

Summer 143004 from the Three Moon Period.
Summer 153380 from Assa Dei.
165044 Summer from Tara Time.

Enough !!!

Quote: Boris55

185780 Summer from Tula Time.
211700 Summer from Time of Swag.
Summer 273908 from Time h'Arra.
460532 Summer from the Time of the Gift.
Summer 604388 from the Time of Three Suns.

Help!

[kalibr]

What are you speaking about? Here even haloperidol is powerless to help!

[polar fox]

Quote: kalibr

What are you speaking about? Here even haloperidol is powerless to help!

But in essence and the topic of koment write brain is not enough only vysery ... but it seems you mow under an adult ...

[Flooding]

Quote: polar fox

but it’s kind of like an adult

How great you got it.
This sly kalibr thought to mislead us with his many publications. But no, I didn’t attack those. A vigilant citizen instantly led to clean water.

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

Help!

Quote: kalibr

What are you speaking about? Here even haloperidol is powerless to help!

First met with this formation at the beginning of the century. What alerted that Levashov’s books were published from San Francisco incl. at face value this information should not be taken. Their site: http://ru-an.info/.

ps
I apologize for trolling.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Boris55

Summer 13022 from the Great Cold (Great Cooling).

Why so little? From the Great Chill should be 2 588 000 years.

[Fraracol_2]

From hand to hand only handwritten copies (it is clear that only in Old Slavonic). 7000 years ago, even we probably did not have a print.

[venaya]

Quote: Fraancol_2

7000 years ago, even we didn’t have a print yet

Why didn't it happen right away? Take, for example, the "fest disc" - so this is the purest imprint just possibly from the oldest found seal! And how many more similar prints or even seals have not been found yet? I think that based on the quality of its execution, such technologies took place for a long time at that time, because it is so logical. So it is not necessary to belittle our ancestors so much, we still do not know much, very much about that time. Something like this ..

[Flooding]

Quote: Boris55

Therefore, they did not hear about the great battle between the white and yellow race

I do not have access to this secret part of the library.
Tell me the password?

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

Where is that written?
Tell me the password?

Any word that interests you in the Internet search engines.

[Flooding]

Quote: Boris55

Any word that interests you in the Internet search engines.

Suddenly, someone unscrupulous will circle around a finger, taking advantage of my illiteracy? He will say that today a round dance around a birch, but in fact it is necessary to drive around a rakita. How to recognize

[Boris55]

Quote: Flood

today a round dance around a birch, but in fact you need to drive around a rakita

It makes no difference what round dance to drive around, the main thing is not against the sun.

There are a lot of everything in the internet, both good and bad. It is up to you what you choose.

[Glory1974]

I have not heard anything about the mention of the star temple in the decrees of Peter

Have you heard of the Hijra? Since that year, when the reckoning of Muslims began?
About Quetzalcoatl, which Maya had, I’m even afraid to mention, so as not to embarrass you.

[Flooding]

Quote: glory1974

Have you heard of the Hijra? Since that year, when the reckoning of Muslims began?
About Quetzalcoatl, which Maya had, I’m even afraid to mention, so as not to embarrass you.

You will not confuse me at all if you give a reference to a source with a mention of a star temple. And do not drag in either the natives of Australia or the indigenous people of Madagascar. Let's get down to business.

[Glory1974]

if you give a reference to a source with a mention of a star temple.

the Internet is full of information. What does not suit you in it?

[Flooding]

Quote: glory1974

the Internet is full of information. What does not suit you in it?

I am not happy that you cannot give a direct answer to a direct question.
Is this something to say?
Or shy of your sources.
Or corny you can’t confirm your thesis.

[Glory1974]

I am not happy that you cannot give a direct answer to a direct question.

I tell you where I read about it.
I can’t give a link to a museum where a file or a manuscript with a calendar is stored, because this is incorrect and does not exist in nature. Therefore, I will update the question.

Or shy of your sources.
Or corny you can’t confirm your thesis.

Naturally, I can not confirm these theses, therefore, there is a discussion. Since these theses, by the way are not mine, but one of the points of view on history, is not officially covered.
Therefore, you can agree with them or challenge them, but you can not look at the end of the book and see the correct answer.

[Flooding]

You probably know that any hypothesis requires its own factual confirmation.
History is not excluded

[Fraracol_2]

This is from the biblical creation of the world? !!! What is the "Slavic" chronology? !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: Fraancol_2

This is from the biblical creation of the world? !!! What is the "Slavic" chronology? !!!

Do not mention the Bible in vain.
Otherwise, this will begin.

[Flooding]

Oh noooo !!!
Do not minus me, adherents of paganism, carriers of great ancient knowledge, priests of ancient idols!
It’s better to use all your zelo and velm’s great knowledge on something more useful.

[Fraracol_2]

How can they not minus, you spoil them your harmonious, virtual alternative system of the universe.

[Pessimist22]

Clearly, we are Aryans, the highest race.

[Captain45]

Quote: Flood

Oh noooo !!!
Do not minus me, adherents of paganism, carriers of great ancient knowledge, priests of ancient idols!
It’s better to use all your zelo and velm’s great knowledge on something more useful.

[Fraracol_2]

What is the Slavic calendar? Where from?

[Glory1974]

What is the Slavic calendar? Where from?

From the same place as all other chronologies. Muslims have their own, Maya have their own Indians, and for some reason their presence is not surprising to anyone.
Why is the presence of the reckoning among the Slavs puzzling?

[You search]

Perhaps because for the first time this chronology was mentioned in the written sources of Byzantium? For this so-called "Slavic" calendar is actually the Byzantine calendar from the creation of the world.

[Flooding]

Quote: Cherchi

Perhaps because for the first time this chronology was mentioned in the written sources of Byzantium? For this so-called "Slavic" calendar is actually the Byzantine calendar from the creation of the world.

In turn, in Byzantium, the date of the appearance of Adam was thus calculated according to biblical genealogy.

[You search]

But no matter what calendar it is, no matter what dates are written there, we can say that for many years most likely they are simply far-fetched, for history is a powerful means of managing people, Goebbels showed it ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Cherchi

But no matter what calendar it is, no matter what dates are written there, we can say that for many years most likely they are simply far-fetched, for history is a powerful means of managing people, Goebbels showed it ...

I do not have enough competencies to discuss the accuracy of the biblical calendar. After all, we only drew attention to its accidental resemblance to the ancient Aryan calendar.

[Glory1974]

this so-called "Slavic" calendar is actually the Byzantine calendar from the creation of the world.

What are we talking about. about the starting point. The starting point "From the Nativity of Christ" has now been adopted.
Before Peter 1, they used a different calendar in Russia. One can argue about who he was, Byzantine or Slavic, but if several thousand years were taken into account, it is logical to assume that someone counted them.
Thus, it becomes clear that the history of Russia is older than we think or are trying to prove to us.

[Simargl]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Only the Slavic chronology is 7524 from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple .... So who are the "barbarians"?

This is the Byzantine system, if that.

[TokarevT]

Well said. Short and succinct. I shake my paw.

[Bar2]

Alexander Samsonov is still moving forward in short steps, This step is that all these Europeans appeared later than the Russians. All the same, you need to emphasize your thoughts more clearly. The fact that the current Russians are the descendants of the Scythians and Hyperboreans is already clear, but the fact that "the Pansky Poland was created from the Rus-Polyans" must be said clearly, when the Poles still spoke Russian and when they were introduced to this bad Polish peshechnik, who did it? These are the tasks facing historians.

The historian, academician Alexander Vladimirovich Pyzhikov, as soon as he began to study not rewritten history textbooks of which hundreds spawned, and the real documents in the RGADA-archive of ancient acts immediately accumulated facts on real history, that our history is SALGED.

Romanov came to power illegally and criminally
-this "our" religion of the Russian Orthodox Church is something that was created for the emergence of a new ideology of huckstering, selfishness / individualism and greed.
- the era of Ivan the Terrible, the wars with the Europeans, the Troubles, the wars with the Crimea and the Port, the split in the church, the Razin uprising, the Streltsy riots, the Pugachev rebellion - this is the essence of one Great War of Russia / Scythia / Russia / Horde / Tartaria / Dardaria with whom? Who rules the world now? Who has all the power, financial, military, whose dominance is in science, history, culture, in the media? Who owns this site, who are "experts" on various issues here? Here they are.
- the schismatics - the Old Believers are by no means Christians.
-and his conclusion, that way of life that was then, he was right (to live in a team of thoroughbred / Horde relatives, in unity with nature) and that life, which now, I repeat trade, the cult of money, a constant lie (Putin says one on pension reform, then another says) is the path to dehumanization and self-destruction.



the network is full of videos from Pyzhikov

And this year, Professor Pyzhikov, full of strength and energy, suddenly dies. Apparently the famous professor has gone too far. Those who tell the truth in this world are not allowed to do this.

[Glory1974]

Academician Aleksandr Vladimirovich Pyzhikov, as soon as he began to study not rewritten history textbooks of which hundreds spawned, and the real documents in the RGADA-archive of ancient acts immediately accumulated facts on real history, that our history is SALGED.

You can’t not say so sharply - it is falsified, it’s better to say distorted in the interests of a certain circle of people. Then it will cause less rejection. You basically have a balanced comment but the pros and cons split in half. Many cannot so abruptly take and admit that the story they taught does not correspond to reality.
Pyzhikov well done, he wrote very reasonably and logically, but his work is not widely known to anyone.

[Bar2]

Quote: glory1974

You can’t say so sharply - it is falsified, it’s better to say distorted in the interests of a certain circle of people

we should not select neutral words, we must speak as clearly and clearly as possible. so that those who have little knowledge of history understand what was happening around them. So Pyzhikov said Romanov-criminals, the Russian Orthodox Church is the support of Romanovs, how can I say that?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: SarS

... the words of Gundyaev ...

It seemed to be already that this was not what I wanted to say. As often happens ----- someone will take it out of context, and others must explain that this is not so. Only then again did he say some torn words.
And why are deputies and officials talking so often out of context?

[Shishiga]

But the Germans at that time were, and the French ?????? Just in case, look at the settlement map of the Slavic tribes of that time, among the listed there something Russian is not observed, just like the Belorussians (Belarusians — well, it’s more like that for someone).

[zenion]

There was nothing at all, and God's spirit flew nothing. And they said at the top - let there be Ukrainians, who must create a planet and different animals and different animals and non-living plants in order. And at first they dug up the whole Black Sea and around it began to build the planet according to the schedule and built the planet for several days. But they were constantly disturbed by other people who lived on this planet even before its creation and called them Varia. They were very wild and they called ukrov Mabezians.

[Andrey Sukharev]

Alexander, thanks for the article! I read and received a charge of good mood for the whole day!

[Deck]

Great article, thank you very much Aryan!

[Boris55]

Quote: Deck

got a charge of good mood

Quote: Deck

Excellent article

For you, any article that criticizes Putin is good.

When the Nazis came to our land, they shouted to us: "Rus, surrender!" Are we Rus? If Brezhnev had not called us "Soviet people", then the Soviet people would not exist? If Yeltsin had not called us "Dear Russians", would there have been no Russians?

Different peoples live on our land. People lived on it before the great cold snap, and before the flood, and after. At different times, they called us differently.

If someone thinks that Putin does not know history well, then he is deeply mistaken.

Great Tartaria on a map donated by Putin to the Russian Geographical Society:

[The leader of the Redskins]

I am not an anthropologist, but the words "Aryans", "Aryans", according to my recent genetic memory, cause my suspicion ...
To you, a colleague, does not apply, with a sense of humor in my order ...))

[Graz]

Arias is the self-name of the Iranians that is what they are called themselves

[TokarevT]

Good day!
It is curious that in his work "Frigate" Pallada "" IA Goncharov very calmly and competently draws the events before the reader and evaluates them from the point of view of the origin of Russians from ARIEV and does not make any secret of this.
For him, apparently, as well as for many educated Russians of that time, this is well-known and not subject to doubt.
This is 1854.
And here the question immediately arises, to your genetic memory.
Is it too short against the background of active formation over the past 100 years of "Russian civilization" with a judas face?

[Pessimist22]

Now we are Aryans, Brahmins in India, our relatives

[Red Bogatyr]

science is moving forward, the degree of kinship is now easy to determine! :) and yes, the Brahmins with R1a are Russian relatives with R1a :)

[Captain45]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I am not an anthropologist, but the words "Aryans", "Aryans", according to my recent genetic memory, cause my suspicion ...

In-in, here on "Zvezda" they finished re-showing "17 Moments of Spring" in black and white format. How do they not begin to read the description of some Iceman-Rolf or some other employee of the SD of an SS member so immediately - "true Aryan, a Nordic character, merciless towards the enemies of the Reich. "

[mark2]

Yes, smiled.

[Fraracol_2]

And I am the charge of another great perplexity. I’ll say like an Aryan to an Aryan.

[Pessimist22]

It turns out and the gypsies Aryans, the highest race? Are they from India, or what?

[Fat]

Quote: Pessimist22

It turns out and the gypsies Aryans, the highest race? Are they from India, or what?

Gypsies are Dravids, however. Someone does not know who sent them from the south of Hindustan far and for long .. Maybe those same arias, maybe not ...

[Gardamir]

It is from the current Kremlin that the words go that Stalin is worse than Hitler.
As for rewriting history, you can say nothing, just substitute symbols. And now the Georgievites, led by "Saint Nicholas", defeated Stalin and Hitler.
The Soviet period of Russian history is skillfully erased in the Kremlin, and not in the West.

[carstorm 11]

this period in the history of the country will itself be smeared to the level of a chapter in a history textbook. not because good or bad. but simply because of his very short time in the history of the whole country. I remind you that we already live 28 years. for our children, this is already a stranger. there was such a time. there were other times. Peter 1 and Catherine 2. Great generals and great victories. there were defeats and unrest. this is all a story. then what you are now opposing will be reduced in an evolutionary way. regardless of your or my desires. for my children it was all so long and so far ...

[Gardamir]

No matter how sad I agree with you. But no one said that Peter was worse than Karl, Kutuzov worse than Napoleon.
The period of Ivan IV the Great is slandered, while cruelty was happening in Europe.
And from birth we teach that Russians, that is, we are the worst people that the whole world hates us. By the way, the perestroika played on this.

[Mwg]

There is no evolutionary path, this is a fairy tale - not a single monkey has yet turned into a man)))). But involution is evident throughout the 20th century both in engineering and technology and in the social environment. I don't think it was otherwise in the 19th century. Judging by the fact that it has not yet become the norm to eat less successful people for lunch, I believe that this involution began not so long ago - 200-300 years ago, which may speak of some kind of cataclysm that destroyed civilization. If there was such a cataclysm (and it was - too much points to it), then the entire "history of Russia" known to us, and the "history of the world" is nothing more than the result of the work of a group of visionaries.

[carstorm 11]

this is pearl))) I’ll even put it in a notebook))))

[Flooding]

Quote: MVG

There is no evolutionary path, this is a fairy tale - not a single monkey has yet turned into a man))))

Just yesterday's monkey is ashamed to admit it to the rest.
Look among those who are without a passport, not tonsured and without housing.

[Mwg]

Do you think that a person differs from a monkey only by having a passport, real estate and a fashionable haircut?

[Flooding]

Quote: MVG

Do you think that a person differs from a monkey only by having a passport, real estate and a fashionable haircut?

Very often this is what happens.

[Mwg]

Diogenes, in your opinion, was a monkey? And the holy hermits were also monkeys?
Or maybe it's just a manifestation of the worldview of a resident of the planet Pluk?

[Fat]

Quote: MVG

maybe it's just a manifestation of the worldview of a resident of the planet Pluk?

Can not be! Plucans are known to have evolved from cacti. )))

[Flooding]

Quote: MVG

Diogenes, in your opinion, was a monkey? And the holy hermits were also monkeys?

Diogenes with living space was fine.
He had problems with a light supplier.
But seriously, you are asking the wrong questions.
Do not be a bookworm.

[Mwg]

Then, not with the supplier of light, but with objects that block it.
I am not a bookworm from a word at all. It’s simple, it’s possible, quite reasonable people show retrograde on the machine due to thoughtless repetition of those who had been driven into childhood by childhood. A different vision of the past is rejected at the expense of conservative and inert thinking. I’m looking, you’ll think. What kind of debate has flared up.
And the questions are not wrong, there are incomprehensible answers.

[Flooding]

Quote: MVG

Then, not with the supplier of light, but with objects that block it.

If during the day I went with burning lanterns, then it was certainly not from an excess of light.

Quote: MVG

It’s just that it happens that quite reasonable people show retrograde on the machine due to thoughtless repetition of those who had been driven into childhood

Then you are not to me. Ask further down the hall.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: MVG

Diogenes, in your opinion, was a monkey? And the holy hermits were also monkeys?

Of course. More precisely, the higher primates of the species Homo sapiens sapiens, as, however, we are with you. If you are bothered by this, these are your personal psychological problems.

[Svarog51]

Breshet Darwin, that people came from monkeys. We do not have monkeys. But there are bears. It is not for nothing that in the West Russians are identified with a bear.

[novel66]

not from monkeys! from cockroaches! esotericists know for sure

[Svarog51]

Novel The last sentient cockroach "Men in Black" was killed.

[novel66]

smacks of discrimination, but not genocide

[Svarog51]

Well, catch the Prusak, put him in a test tube and on the UN platform. Express outrage.

[TokarevT]

It is easy for those who hold power to bring a person, even the most worthy, to this level in order to first discredit, and then destroy.
Remember:
1. "Before killing a dog, it is declared to be scabies." German proverb.
2. Statement by A. Dulles upon assuming office of chief of CIS.
Etc.
So, the lack of an individual's passport, haircuts and housing m. far from a natural process, with all the conclusions that follow from this.

[Fraracol_2]

You would read a little about evolution. Even Darwin never says that the monkey turned into a man. The man and the monkey had a common ancestor, then the paths diverged. And what nonsense about 200-300 years.

[Mwg]

I'll tell you more: Darwin argued that the theory of species is just a theory. And we are discussing it for granted. This is what the increased imposition of illusions and imaginary knowledge does with the consciousness of the average person. By the way, the reaction in the form of the expression "some kind of nonsense" to something that does not fit into the initial knowledge is also a stereotypical imposed reaction.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: MVG

There is no evolutionary path, this is a fairy tale - not a single monkey has yet turned into a man)))).

There’s nobody to give a good kick to. A man, after all, he is a proud bird! Until you kick, it won’t fly.

[TokarevT]

It is important not only how long the period in history is, but also on what scale the events then took place.
Speaking of history to their children, understanding people focus on events and their significance, but not on the short duration of the period.
Remember the book "Esther".
This is when judas slaughtered about 14 Iranian elites within 70 days, taking advantage of the patronage of the Iranian king seduced by Esther.
At the same time, “prime minister” Haman, who had previously tried to expel them from Iran through the Persian king, was hanged with 10 of his children: the children were hanged in front of him, and, last but not least, himself.
The judas still celebrate Purim, where they bake 3-coal cookies called "aman ears".
When eating them, one is supposed to say "Glorious Mordikhai, may Haman be damned" and only on this holiday is it allowed to get drunk to unconsciousness!
How much did this period take in the general history of judas?
Has this event gotten lost over time?
No, Purim is one of the foundations of judas parenting and self-awareness before, today, and in the future!

[Svarog]

Quote: Gardamir

The Soviet period of Russian history is skillfully erased in the Kremlin, and not in the West.

At the direction of the west ..

[AU Ivanov.]

The Russian period of history before the October Revolution was actively distorted and rejected, just by the Bolsheviks. Especially in the 20s. Lenin was still that Russophobe.

[Gunxnumx]

Even to the 75th anniversary of the Victory some emasculated coins were issued, shameful. Carefully removing all Soviet symbols, except for the star.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Gun70

Even to the 75th anniversary of the Victory some emasculated coins were issued, shameful. Carefully removing all Soviet symbols, except for the star.

There is, among others, a coin depicting Levitan. Voice of Victory. And with the image of Stalin there

[Reptiloid]

Shortly before his death, Churchill said that Khrushchev was the only one who declared war on the dead. Moreover, he managed to lose it.
I wonder what he would say now if he were alive?

Quote: Gardamir

It is from the current Kremlin that the words go that Stalin is worse than Hitler.
As for rewriting history, you can say nothing, just substitute symbols. And now the Georgievites, led by "Saint Nicholas", defeated Stalin and Hitler.
The Soviet period of Russian history is skillfully erased in the Kremlin, and not in the West.

You did not mention the logos of today's parties on the posters dedicated to Victory Day.

[Mwg]

There was a time when Ros was the head of civilization, and everyone who walked under her hand was called Russian (later it became "Rus" - "Russians"). The word Russians means the actual belonging to the Russians. He also knew about this allegorically (for under Lenin the concept of the formation of government in the state was formed and established, and under Stalin, the government continued to govern, not from the indigenous inhabitants), I.V. Stalin: Russians are the state-forming people. And therefore, on the territory of the Russian Federation, as many say, Russians do not have their own territorial-administrative entity. Russians are everyone who walks close to Rusov. So Putin knows what he is talking about.

[Doctor]

There was a time when Ros led the civilization, and everyone who walked under her arm was called the Russians

Now this idea works against the Russians. The name of nations is nouns, answer the question: who ?. German, Englishman, American, Frenchman, Chinese, Ukrainian, Kazakh, etc. And only the name of the Russian nation - the name of the adjective, answers what questions? whose?. Russian. Therefore, the enemies claim that the Russians are a nation of slaves, they belonged to someone.

Urgently need to change Russian to Ross!

Thunder of victory, resound!
Have fun, brave Ross!
Vivid glory adorn.
Mohammed you cracked!

[Fraracol_2]

And everything will get better right away?

[Doctor]

And everything will get better right away?

Much. Compare:
Dgugashvili
STALIN

[Mcar]

Quote: Arzt

The name of nations is nouns, answer the question: who ?. German, Englishman, American, Frenchman, Chinese, Ukrainian, Kazakh, etc. And only the name of the Russian nation - the name of the adjective, answers what questions? whose?. Russian. Therefore, the enemies claim that the Russians are a nation of slaves, they belonged to someone.

This is because the enemies of knowledge is not enough. Or the assumption that the US does not have enough.

English, Deutsch, Français is both a noun and an adjective at the same time. The so-called substantive. Substantivation, or substantivization, is the transition to the category of nouns of other parts of speech (adjectives, verbs, participles, numerals), due to their acquisition of the ability to directly point to an object.

When a Frenchman speaks a la France, an Englishman - ah em English, and a German - their bean Deutsch, it sounds like this: I am French, I am English, I am German. The same is with the word Russian. There are a lot of similar words that can be both a noun and an adjective: divorcing, sentry, dressing, advanced, etc.

Another question is that this is not a nationality - Russian is a nation. And the nationality is Rus or Great Russia, as you like.

[Doctor]

When a Frenchman speaks a la France, an Englishman - ah em English, and a German - their bean Deutsch, it sounds like this: I am French, I am English, I am German.

But in Russian, are they nouns? And the word "Russian" is an adjective. Thus, at the subconscious level, the question is formed: an adjective to what? Or to whom?
Need to get rid.

[Mcar]

Quote: Arzt

But in Russian, are they nouns?

So what? The Scots call themselves cattle - do we need to get rid and call them that? Chinese in Chinese will be Junguo Zhen - will we also adapt?

Then let’s get rid of everything on the list - the Ukrainian example is at hand: a breeder — a scammer, a watchman — a watchman, a guard — a guard, a living room — a drawing room, a maid — a maid, a reception — a reception, a laundry — a laundry. Handsomely!

I don’t know how to whom, but the word Russian never gave rise to the question of whose.

[Doctor]

Then let's get rid of everything on the list

These words are insignificant (although the maid - it sounds exciting ).

And then the self-name of the NATION!

Will a person with the name “Sucks” achieve much in life?

[Mcar]

Quote: Arzt

Will a person with the name “Sucks” achieve much in life?

There is no such noun. Read carefully.

[Doctor]

There is no such noun. Read carefully.

Well, let it be "sucks" or "loshara." The principle is important: whatever you call a yacht, it will sail.

[Engineer]

The principle is important: whatever you call a yacht, it will sail.

Surname of the frontman Thickman

[Glory1974]

Will a person with the name “Sucks” achieve much in life?

An unfortunate Englishman with the surname "Faker" will achieve a lot in life
just right to write a doctorate: "The influence of moonlight on the growth of telegraph poles", in the sense of "The influence of the name and surname on success in commercial activity.

[Mwg]

Absolutely not working against. Try to use - yes. You know, as it happens with creative people, they can justify anything. Like in a joke: a fish is a pike, a pike is a teeth, teeth is a dog, people! he called me a female dog !!!

[AU Ivanov.]

If someone's Russian, then it turns out he belonged to the Russians? This is not slavery, this is belonging to the people of the Rus. By analogy with "St. Petersburg", "Tver", that is, belonging to the inhabitants of these cities.

[Doctor]

If whose Russian, then it turns out he belonged to the Russians? This is not slavery, this is belonging to the people of the Rus.

Yes, this is logical, plus for you. But not everyone can immediately catch this subtlety. More reliable - ROSS!

[Mwg]

Oh, how to get out of the way. Looks like the truth hurts the eye))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, Putin raised the topic of the origin of the Russian people: “And who are the Russians?” Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians; he (the Russian people. - Auth.) Gradually developed from many ethnic groups. ” JV Stalin was at least the "best friend of the pioneers," but whose "best friend" is Vladimir Vladimirovich?

[Gardamir]

Remember the Soviet poem, I would learn Russian only for what Lenin spoke to them. For Putin, this rhyme was redone and still there are people who call the current patriots. And his words, where he called the Russians who believe that Russia is for the Russians ...

[Mestny]

Your Lenin just believed the opposite. That neither Russia nor Russian is needed.

[Gardamir]

What Lenin believed we will never know. But your fellow, raised excise taxes, raised VAT, raised the retirement age. In a word, the country is rising ...

[Mestny]

How is it that we don’t know?
He wrote books on a whole shelf. There is everything about everything, you can read and make sure.

[AU Ivanov.]

And here is a quote from your god - Lenin:
"Ivashek" must be fooled.
We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
"And I don't care about Russia ..."

[Gardamir]

Lenin said so or is it a perestroika fabrication, it’s hard to say, but everyone heard about the fact that Russia is not for Russians.
And once again I repeat not for the red and not for the white. And against Putin, because he is against Russia and does not hide it.

[AU Ivanov.]

What makes you think that GDP is against Russia. Yes, he is not the best leader in the country, but far from the worst. With whom will we compare? With Brezhnev? Brezhnev does not roll. With Khrushchev? Also. With Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Buee. Comrade remains. Stalin. Well, no one can compare with him. And to compare "with who could be" is incorrect.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And here is a quote from your god - Lenin:
"Ivashek" must be fooled.
We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
"And I don't care about Russia ..."

Indicate a place in the MSS where I can read this nonsense can you? If not, then why are you sure that VIL said / wrote this? I remember Zhirik saluted with these supposedly VIL's phrases. And Zhirik has a tendency to “tell a lot of lies,” like Trotsky.

[Sentinel-vs]

It is known who - those who do not abandon. Your circle of Dear People.

[anjey]

In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

But is it not a millennial monarchy, archaically obsolete by that time, unable to rule the state and brought the country to war and poverty before the revolution, prepared the ground, change something for its powerlessness, for Lenin.
It was not in vain that a new film was released on the screens about the Decembrists, who also saw many shortcomings in the centuries-old monarchy, so it wasn’t worth the GDP to blame everything on Lenin now, as it sounds unconvincing, and Lenin, which gave the republics more self-determination and independence, enlisted their support.

[Mwg]

It all started with the builder Petit, who cut through Europe the gate to the territory of Russia

[Reptiloid]

Quote: anjey

In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

But is it not a millennial monarchy, archaically obsolete by then, unable to rule the state and having brought the country ........

This 1000-year-old monarchy and the closest class to it have never thought about the Russian people, but only viewed the people as a means to their own benefits.

[TokarevT]

After the capture of Kazan, Ivan IV the Terrible buried his warriors and erected a monument in that place, after which he ordered the bishops to pray for the fallen forever.
1000-year-old monarchy did not think about the Russian people, or did it begin to happen much later, for example, after Peter I cut through the gate from Europe to Russia?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: anjey

But is it not a millennial monarchy, archaically obsolete by that time, unable to rule the state and brought the country to war and poverty before the revolution, prepared the ground, change something for its powerlessness, for Lenin.

why millennial? The Romanov empire lived for 300 years, and before that there was a Moscow kingdom, and before it there were several centers with their own way - the same Novgorod Republic

[anjey]

In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

This is the context from the article.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: anjey

In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

This is the context from the article.

And interestingly, "" the foremen of perestroika "" in the 90s, what did they plan? As a result, the damage is comparable to the damage from defeat in war

[anjey]

They gave us a good example of how not to bend to the West and how it threatens, although thanks to the acquired millions of billions in those years, they (foremen-oligators) are now forced to bend, but only masking it well, because they are now part of the global capsystem and perpetual geopolitics is competition, both political and economic, and to big business sharks, if you want to, you want to, you have to agree either with concessions or guns.

[AU Ivanov.]

The superintendents of perestroika simply put this mine into action. Since it was already laid and was waiting in the wings.

[1536]

Quote: anjey

In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

But is it not a millennial monarchy, archaically obsolete by that time, unable to rule the state and brought the country to war and poverty before the revolution, prepared the ground, change something for its powerlessness, for Lenin.
It was not in vain that a new film was released on the screens about the Decembrists, who also saw many shortcomings in the centuries-old monarchy, so it wasn’t worth the GDP to blame everything on Lenin now, as it sounds unconvincing, and Lenin, which gave the republics more self-determination and independence, enlisted their support.

Yes, not a monarchy, but wild, corrupt Russian capitalism, ready to sell the territory and the people just to get 100% of the profit. The Russian capitalists would have been smarter then, they would have said that this "investment in Russia comes" ... from Japan, for example, after the shameful defeat in the war of 1904-1905, which could have been avoided altogether. And what about the monarchy, what about the monarchy? The tsar was the largest landowner, owned gold mines and much more, he did not even need to receive the notorious 5% percent from his bureaucrats in order to live comfortably, and the German blood flowing in him did not allow him to be with the people. The Germans cheated him in the end, slipping his wife with hemophilia (God forgive me!). "The owner of the Russian land" - wrote Nicholas II in the questionnaire column "occupation". Housekeeping. So it is not Nicholas I that someone needs to be guided by, but carefully read the history of the last Russian Emperor, betrayed by everyone and perished on Russian soil, but not at the hands of the Russian people, who considered and considers him an anointed of God and a saint.

[anjey]

Yes, in 1917, at first, the capitalists and the monarchy entered into confrontation (the February Revolution), having achieved the abdication of the tsar, then the Bolsheviks crushed everything for themselves, something like that, and we are all to blame for Lenin.
There is simply a tacit order to discredit this outstanding figure, is it really not a shame for the draped mausoleum, you can’t drape history .

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: anjey

You cannot drape history.

that's for sure ... that's why all the conspiracy theories about the distant past provoke skepticism ... because there are opposite examples when officialdom tried in every possible way to whiten the people's memory about their protagonist heroes, but it didn’t work out

[1536]

I don’t want to get into the discussion, but here I do not agree with you. The king, whether he was with his people and country, even if he would consider it as a means and place for banal profit or obtaining means of subsistence, thinking about the future, should not have signed the abdication of the throne, or at least ensure that the throne went to successor, and was not destroyed by "cocaine sailors" in half with the failed "historians", careless lawyers and Little Russian landowners, bought by British intelligence. But the tsar renounced, which became a great betrayal on his part, who abandoned his people in a difficult period of his history, not as a result of turmoil, war, death, arrest or illness, but just like that, because he missed another crow from the Berdanka, after all, he thought: "I will kill a crow - I will hang Purishkevich and Rodzianko with Yusupov on a pair, I will miss - this Russia will burn with a blue flame!"... There were no economic prerequisites for the destruction or fall of the tsarist power as such, at that time in Russia, and the famine in Petrograd, the lack of food, necessities were deliberately organized by a handful of officials, industrialists and landowners, who later became members of the Provisional Government (very consonant with 1991 -m year, don't you think?). A number of military officials can also be accused of sabotage, who were in the throat of the war with Germany because of their banal belonging to the German nation, who made constant mistakes of both tactical and strategic plans in organizing military operations against the Germans. The "friendship" with our constant "partners" also let us down, what then, what now. If the French piously believed and believe that the people of Russia are just waiting for them to come to liberate and establish democracy, and they themselves are simply afraid to speak out, then the British directly wanted only one thing: the destruction of Russian statehood, because there is one Empire in the world, and it - British. The Americans still looked at everything that happened through binoculars and only counted the days that finally shook the world to its foundations. We counted 10 ...
The main thing today is not to repeat those mistakes a hundred years ago.

[Reptiloid]

Russian people who considered and still consider it a saint

it is worth remembering that at the beginning of the 20th century there was a lot of talk that the king is something fakewhat was the article about with excerpts about 3 years ago. It is also worth recalling those congratulatory telegrams from the hierarchs of the Church that they sent in large numbers to the Provisional

[Gardamir]

I would like to clarify something. I am neither for red nor for white. I am for Great Russia. For the priority of state laws over international. For the development of its own industry and science. For state support for medicine and education. For the preservation of traditional values, family.

[Mestny]

Your Lenin was categorically against all this. Except for medicine and education, and even then, with a communist bias. I almost said hello.

[Gardamir]

What to say about Lenin, when life becomes all its wonders. Children are taken from families. Free medicine will only dream soon. Industry is only one that makes a profit for the individual. Military factories produce equipment not for defense, but for sale.

[AU Ivanov.]

Speak up the children? Here, the other day, near Peter, they took the kids from the family from a sectarian who raped his daughter. Suggest leaving?

[Mestny]

They have this - if the sectarian is for the Communists, then he is the right, fit sectarian.

[Gardamir]

That is, you want to say everything is fine in general, only individual sectarians come across. I'm talking about juveniles.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why sectarians? Alcoholics, drug addicts, people with a flying cuckoo, just cruel and indifferent to children. In my small Motherland there was such a mother who, on a drunken burn, burned herself and killed 2 of her children, two more survived. If children were taken in time, everyone would be alive.

[Gardamir]

So in the Soviet Union such deprived of parental rights. It's about juveniles

[Rurikovich]

Well done Samsonov. Plus! Over the past 50 years, so many lies have been messed up in history that you don’t know what to believe, because you believe OWN BRAIN when you reason logically and sensibly.

The world has turned upside down, the West is leading in the creation of lies And I personally do not intend to believe in fairy tales about the Mongol conquerors, who have passed half the world on paper.

[novel66]

about the Mongol-Tatars in solidarity whatever!

[Mcar]

... the Russians appeared ...

I was always surprised by this term, which can be found in any textbook - "appeared". What is it like? Have you hatched from the egg? Have you become human from a special Russian monkey? Arrived from another galaxy? And a dozen more versions - think as you like, but don't ask the official, mantle-bearing historians - they won't be answered.

For centuries, Romanization, Germanization, Latinization, forced assimilation, etching of the indigenous peoples of Europe, genocide of the disobedient, crowding out the Slavs-Russians to the east have been consciously carried out.

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language (Russian). This is indisputably proved by the toponymy of Europe, the root foundations of the Russian language, which can be easily traced in all languages ​​of young sons and children of ethnic groups.

Unfortunately, I speak only one additional language - English, and even then in the Soviet volume of the curriculum. But even this is enough to see what a huge number of words in English, and in other Romance languages, have a Russian basis. A lot of borrowed words, upon closer examination, carry our Russian roots. Neither give nor take - the return of the prodigal son. Even the very name of Europe of Russian origin, not to mention the rest.

Drang nah Osten has been going on for more than a century. And the language plays a huge role in this onslaught. All Romance languages ​​are based on the Latin alphabet. Very interesting! There is a Latin language, but there were no people who spoke it and never was. Esperanto is what Latin is.

And the author is absolutely right in saying that "It is impossible to recognize the fact that the Russians (Russians) lived and worked before the advent of Germans, French, British or Italians. It will be a terrible geopolitical, informational and historical defeat of the West.“Otherwise, all the artificiality of the historical construction is poured with a result unpredictable for the West.

[pmkemcity]

Even the very name of Europe of Russian origin, not to mention the rest.
The great Russian writer Kozma Prutkov searched for a long time, but never found a rhyme for the word "Europe".

[Captain45]

Quote: pmkemcity

The great Russian writer Kozma Prutkov searched for a long time, but never found a rhyme for the word "Europe".

I’m not Kozma Prutkov, but I picked up the rhyme quickly, but the site’s rules do not allow me to name it, in general it is *** pa, but there is no word And yes, Kozma Prutkov was not a real individual, let alone a great Russian writer, this is a collective image created by Russian writers, unfortunately I do not remember their names, but here, as they say, "Google for help."

[Han Tengri]

Quote: McAr

There is a Latin language, but there is no people who spoke it and never had.

How interesting! And a certain Guy from the Julian clan, named Caesar, wrote his "Notes on the Gali War" ("Commentarii de Bello Gallico") and "Notes on the Civil War" ("Commentarii de Bello Civili") in what language do you think he wrote?

[Mcar]

Quote: HanTengri

How interesting! And a certain Guy from the Julian clan, named Caesar, wrote his "Notes on the Gali War" ("Commentarii de Bello Gallico") and "Notes on the Civil War" ("Commentarii de Bello Civili") in what language do you think he wrote?

Is there an original scan? One page will be enough to determine which language.

[rocket757]

Putin once again criticized Lenin. In his opinion, the creator of Soviet Russia, Vladimir Lenin, "laid a mine" under the thousand-year-old Russian statehood.

This is strange ... at VIL the understanding of the state problem was different, wider, closer to globalists, only within the borders of others. The GDP has a specific patrimony; everything is under construction within its borders.
Who is right, who is wrong ... they are just DIFFERENT!

[Moskovit]

Likes Samsonov to make a salad of history. You can come up with tens of thousands of years of history as Ukrainians, or you can soberly face the facts and say that Russian civilization is quite young, but managed to stand on a par with the great civilizations of the West and East for one and a half thousand years.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Moskovit

You can come up with tens of thousands of years of history as Ukrainians, or you can soberly look into the eyes of facts and say that Russian civilization is quite young, but managed to stand on a par with the great civilizations of the West and East for a thousand and a half years.

Of course it is.

The rest is "digging up the seas"

[venaya]

Quote: Moskovit

Russian civilization is quite young, but for one and a half thousand years it managed to stand on a par with the great civilizations of west and east ..

Now, if you just "take a sober look at the facts" - it turns out that all civilizations known today will be younger, you can imagine any of the more or less well-known ones, well, it just happened.

[Moskovit]

I visited Novgorod, Kiev, and accordingly in Moscow, and saw stone structures that are a maximum of one thousand one hundred years. And he was, let's say in Rome, and he saw structures there that are 2000 years old, and in Crete he generally saw the remains of the first generally recognized civilization in Europe, which is 4000 years old. That civilization is older than us.
I look at our temples, cultural monuments, and I see my kinship with them. I feel that this is mine, dear, proud of them. I feel like a part of Slavic civilization.
And the great Hyperborean civilization left Samsonov’s stories, beautiful computer pictures and some root words. Of course, all the material evidence of the Hyperboreans carefully destroyed the backstage.
Do you, an adult, seriously believe in this pseudoscientific nonsense?

[venaya]

Quote: Moskovit

was, let’s say in Rome, and there he saw structures that are 2000 years old, and in Crete he generally saw the remains of the first generally recognized civilization in Europe, which is 4000 years old

As for the actual age of Rome itself, the examination has not yet established the real age of the buildings there, while the estimate is that they are not more than 600 years old, because they are all made of red fired brick, the production technology of which first appeared only in the 1th century. And even then, even according to legends, this Rome was founded in Latin "et Russians", more precisely, according to ours and theirs, by Slovenes or Rassens, that is, according to everyone, too, by Rus. I do not intend to attribute Rome to an alien civilization yet. A similar situation with Crete, even V.Shpakovsky found there the symbolism of bull horns, the same as the kings of the Franks from the Merovingian dynasty, and they have a genus (haplogroup) "R1a5", that is, from the Russians, whatever one may say. Yes, the same haplogroup appeared throughout the Middle East about 500 years ago. It is not surprising that, according to their calendar, it is already 5 years old, and the Pelazgian writing appeared at the same time, there everything converges in this sense. As for the destruction of the artifacts of the most ancient northern civilization, I think you are clearly excited, excavations have been carried out there for a long time, many have been found, but almost nothing in the media, which is not at all surprising. I think, in order to more accurately assess Samsonov and his consultants, at first it is advisable to at least familiarize yourself with the discoveries available to date in this area, I assure you there are a great many, you just want to at least partially get acquainted with this. I have no other information different from what Samsonov writes, if you have more details than he does, then find an opportunity to report it, at least it will be interesting to me.

[Fraracol_2]

And in Rome turns out to be the "homeland of elephants"?

[Moskovit]

I recommend you go there. You will see there a gigantic array of material culture, which does not consist of bricks - columns, statues, coins, weapons. Carving inscriptions on marble obviously did not learn 600 years ago.
You look at images of Cretans, Greeks, even Romans. What are they rusichi. Why do we need other people's achievements, we have enough of our own.
To draw conclusions based on harmonies, excuse me, is just ridiculous.
Chinese fox -. So what))

[venaya]

Quote: Moskovit

there is a gigantic array of material culture, which does not consist of bricks - columns, statues, coins, weapons. Carving inscriptions on marble obviously did not learn 600 years ago. .. look at the images of Cretans, Greeks, even Romans ..

Surprisingly, now this very topic is being actively discussed by almost all active part of interested people. I don't know about Crete yet, but all of Rome is brick and it's less than 600 years old, and the inscriptions are given an even younger age. Are you an expert in detecting fakes? And there are a lot of people, professionals of various specialties, I managed to meet with some of them and today they amicably determine that the fake inscriptions are very young, plastered under granite and, or marble, columns. Such assessments should be made by highly qualified specialists and not intoxicated tourists. Can't you understand it ??? And the consonance, so let the language experts do this, you just have to keep an eye on them constantly, otherwise, literally on this page, the author of articles E. Vashchenko constantly tries to deceive literally even at the level of simple terms, they often succeed, therefore, here you have to keep the ear is especially keen. The same is true for "images of Cretans, Greeks, even Romans" - there are also a lot of them and the crooks show only what they only need. All this is now just a burst of articles and other information. But it is worth watching only if you are interested in it yourself, since today's volumes of this information are already transcendental. So in order to understand, it is better to deal with specialists and specialists in different specialties.

[Captain45]

Quote: venaya

all Rome is brick and less than 600 years old,

And the Moscow Kremlin is also brick-built and built by Antonio Fiorovanti, an Italian architect. It turns out that our Kremlin is less than 600 years old? So what happens? Ivan the Terrible almost yesterday lived on our street? So what?

[venaya]

Quote: Captain45

The Moscow Kremlin is also brick-built and built by Antonio Fiorovanti, an Italian architect ..

Well, offhand: the Kingdom of Italy was founded in 1861, the city of Rome is still in the province of "Tuscany" - but this is a new name, already in Italian. This language was used, for example, at the beginning of the 3th century, no more than XNUMX% of the population of this kingdom, but in the province of Venetto and in the city of Venice there lived people who called themselves Venets (see my "nickname" - looks like?) And they often spoke of their native Venetian language, they say this is a late dialect of "et Russian", which may well be. And the province of "Tuscany" in early languages ​​also had the name "Erutrea" and this is also in a language close to "et Russian", and so far no one denies that Rome was founded by "et Russian", and in their language this city was called " Rome "and not" Roma "as it is now in Italian. But this is me about the "Italians" builders in Russia. But who told you that Ivan IV lived in red-brick buildings made of baked bricks? Moscow burned like that, and more than once. This issue is still only under consideration, I do not yet have exact data on the time of today's buildings, but they say that Moscow was white-stone, that is, it was not brick before, and sometimes stone foundations of modern buildings and many-meter "basements" with viewing windows. So too much is still not clear, it is clear that there is still a lot to understand with this and this will not happen quickly. By the way, and you have your own assumptions on this matter, otherwise I am used to relying on the opinions of highly qualified specialists in stones, I met with them, I learned a lot of interesting things from them, but I will refrain from my opinion on this matter for now. So here everything is not so simple as some "experts" are trying to present. I hope that you express your own opinion, I am grateful in advance .. And if there are questions for me, I will answer what I can.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Moskovit

I visited Novgorod, Kiev, and accordingly in Moscow, and saw stone structures that are a maximum of one thousand one hundred years. And he was, let's say in Rome, and he saw structures there that are 2000 years old, and in Crete he generally saw the remains of the first generally recognized civilization in Europe, which is 4000 years old. That civilization is older than us.

Only here they built it from wood, and from them - from stone.

[Moskovit]

Here they also built of wood. But that was before stone construction.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Moskovit

Here they also built of wood. But that was before stone construction.

And do not forget about the climate.

[Moskovit]

Do you think our whole great civilization is rotten? Birch bark letters are found in Novgorod. They survived.
It is shameful to appropriate the achievements of others and the history of others. On the contrary, it only degrades the great Russian history.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Moskovit

Birch bark letters are found in Novgorod. They survived.

And birch bark almost does not rot.

[Captain45]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Only here they built it from wood, and from them - from stone.

What about the Church of the Intercession on the Nerl? X or XI century, stone however.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Captain45

What about the Church of the Intercession on the Nerl? X or XI century, stone however.

Exceptions confirm the rules. The symbol of the West is stone, the East is wood. Is it built of stone, or of brick?

[Captain45]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Is it built of stone, or of brick?

I don’t remember exactly, but it seems from a hewn stone like limestone.

[Mwg]

Are you sure that they were these "great" civilizations of the West and were they great? Think, how do you know about their greatness? The Germans, for example, themselves admitted that 500 years of their history is simply attributed. Who! Franks? so their oldest and most valuable cult books were written in Old Church Slavonic. Britta? So it became known about them only in the 17th century, when the convulsive removal of the remains of the old world began. Spaniards? They were noted as destroying the population of an entire continent. Where is constructivism? What did the "greats" create?

[Kronos]

And so Russia has won a lot of people and so what?

[Edward Vashchenko]

version of the story that we introduced from the West.

What a twist

[Mcar]

Quote: Edward Vashchenko

version of the story that we introduced from the West.

What a twist

Another one!

[Nitarius]

))) Well, damn the jokers .. SLAVES have always been .. this is the oldest clan on earth! . and the eldest of the sons of God! right now 4 people are sowing! .. well, the Khazars are the same Jews ... and they will also become people! there’s nothing terrible .. everyone went this way!

[Edward Vashchenko]

And the RUSSIANS were even earlier the SLAVS, "in times before the beginning of time" and still in other galaxies and on distant planets

[parusnik]

And the RUSSIANS were even earlier the SLAVS, "in times before the beginning of time" and still in other galaxies and on distant planets

.... Still, the latest news from English scientists have not heard? It is established that the languages ​​of the Australian aborigines are very similar to the languages ​​of the Rus, who were even earlier than the Slavs

[Fraracol_2]

Didn't understand "who was standing on whom"?

[Sergey79]

Good morning. Why not? Who, according to the official history, ate a mammoth in the Voronezh region 40 thousand years ago? Who buried himself in the mounds of Tuva? Who lost the "Indian rattle mirrors" in Siberia? Who wrote the instructions for hunting whales in the north?

[Fraracol_2]

Job descriptions?

[venaya]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

And RUSSIANS were even earlier SLAVES ..

So far, I have not received an answer from you about "who the Slavs are". They write to me that the term "Slavs" itself first appeared in 1601, and at what it is clearly not of Russian-speaking origin. True, they say that it comes from the term "word", but then it is not clear why not just write Slovenia, it would be more honest. So whatever one may say, but this term itself and this very concept is clearly younger than both the Russians and the Russians and the dews, and even more scattered, well, naturally, it is also Slovenian. Yes, this term is young, you can clarify. So it is not completely clear about whom you write in your articles, and on what concrete basis you think that the Russians, Russians should not be older than some Slavs. It would be interesting to know your point of view, well, honestly!

[Edward Vashchenko]

Dear Vyacheslav,
it is about the Slavs and their name (origin), in the same place about the language group, etc. So to speak, the latest data from scientific research, and not from false writers and fantasy.
https://topwar.ru/160281-proishozhdenie-slavjan.html
We have known the name "Slavs" from written sources since the XNUMXth century.
"Russia", as we know, again from written sources, has been known since the XNUMXth century.

[venaya]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

We have known the name "Slavs" from written sources since the XNUMXth century.

It is good that you are using written sources, but it is only very bad that other researchers from many countries of the World have not yet discovered the term that we are discussing here, namely the term "Slavs"! The fact that there was a different and, again, the Latin term "sklaveni" = "slaves" is well known, this is not yet denied. But even on this site, apparently you were not here then, there was a lengthy discussion and with the involvement of foreign authors that the term "Slavs" appears according to written sources no earlier than the XNUMXth century. Perhaps, I admit it that you knew nothing about it at all. What if you personally have information about an earlier example of the use of this later term, I think that it would greatly help in the development of historical science. Maybe you will help in this and then absolutely all questions will be removed automatically. In the meantime, I personally have no reason not to trust a large team dealing with this problem specifically. And, of course, about the fact that: "According to written sources, we know the" Slavs "from the VI century." - I have known it for a long time too, but that is the salt of science that its initial data is constantly updated, it is not permissible to ignore this for a long time, so try to clarify exactly the information about the real time of appearance of this term "Slavs". I would be grateful for that, and not only me.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Vyacheslav
Sorry, but I’m talking about Thomas, and you can’t tell me differently about the uncle who I have in Kiev.
Which team of authors? When writing strange things, give links to work, or at least what Latin terms are you talking about?
All that I wrote on VO is popular science texts, based on the latest conclusions of professionals, I pointed out that I do not include pseudoscience here.
Do not confuse, do not mix, it is harmful in all cases.
Take a scientific look and become easier.

[venaya]

All that I wrote on VO is popular science texts based on the latest conclusions of professionals ..

That is, you do not consider the group of historians archivists who studied this issue to be professionals. Interesting approach. I understand that you have not dealt with this issue and are using clearly outdated data. But I also use professional sources, only they differ greatly with your data. To date, sources earlier than the XNUMXth century have not yet been found in reality. Where did you get the idea that you have a scientific view, and not real delusions? This is not clear to me. But I understand that you are not going to confirm the existence of this term "from the XNUMXth century", and I do not force it, I just have more reliable sources and for some reason are also strictly scientific. Apparently you and I are busy with different sciences, and your level is enough for you, just the depth of knowledge of the material is really different for me. But still, try not to advertise your level so often, because there is someone who is deeper into this topic.

[Edward Vashchenko]

For the first time I hear the specialty "historian archivist", is there an archivist who archives papers, is there a historian-researcher who works with archival sources?
Historians work in the archives as full-time employees, but they are not necessarily researchers.
Are you an accident archivist by profession? Just kidding
and if it’s not a secret, who are you by profession?

[venaya]

By profession, I'm naturally a techie. And who else can be on VO, it's so natural. To this day, they constantly write to me about the first use of the term "Slavs" only in 1601. Yes, I do not agree with much of what I receive, but this figure really deserves respect, but the XNUMXth century is overkill, at best there was the Latin term "sklaveni" there are too many spelling options for this word, depending on the dialects, such is the peculiarity of this language. This issue was discussed here at VO two years ago (it is necessary to search), there it was a question of a group of Slavic historians from Bulgaria, etc. tried to deal with this issue, the result is the same, there is nothing from the XNUMXth century. It's a pity that many of the pros don't know this yet, or maybe they don't want to know, because the less you know, the better you sleep, in general, everyone is too lazy to work conscientiously, as I understand it. So if you have any questions on this topic, then I have accumulated something, but it is better to sort it out through your channels, because you have more confidence in them.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Dear Vyacheslav,
I am not mistaken, your information is all the same that the crank mechanism is confused with a belt drive.
Do not be mistaken, do not live in a world of illusions and do not believe nonsense.
On this I take my leave.

[venaya]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

I’m not mistaken ... do not live in a world of illusions and do not believe nonsense.

Indeed, except for "otkoanivayus" more on this topic, you have nothing to say, and this is natural. There is no evidence that the term "Slavs" is not the self-name of the people, but a simple nickname of a certain organized criminal group under the general name "Latins" .. Hence such conclusions as "nonsense", "illusions". So what do you think I was able to confuse? We do not even find evidence of the existence of such a term in nature in the XNUMXth century, just as no one has found either. And who here is seriously confusing and confusing all this? Can anyone else be involved in the proceedings? So far I have every right to consider the term "Slavs" by a Latin nickname, closest to the concept of "slave". If there is any other decoding of this Latin term, please try to find them!

[Edward Vashchenko]

Stay in the world of delusions, I tried to help, but it’s difficult: if you have ears, let him hear, you don’t want to hear.
Slave in Latin servus, hence servo in Italian, siervo Spanish, servе - French, serf - English.
The term esclave in Europe began to be used much later, with the influx of Slavic Slavs into Western Europe, in the 11-12th centuries, not earlier, and became a household word for slaves.
But not the other way around.
,

[venaya]

[

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

Slave in Latin servus, hence servo in Italian, siervo Spanish, servе - French, serf - English.

Thanks for the information, I understand you now. The fact is that this topic has only been discussed on this site many times, and now you take information just like from "Google", not otherwise. Yes, indeed I have been dealing with this topic for many years and many well-promoted prof. historians more often agree with me, some of the truth do not immediately, but after thinking they still agree. The point here is this: a long time ago a certain academician examined this question in more detail than others, and so: the concept of "slave" in Latin is denoted by various words and not only "sklaveni", "servo", "veni", etc. And the term servus itself comes from the concept of "Serb", that is, from the people (nationality now). From the Veneti, whom they also seized and made slaves of them, they made slaves out of all who they just came across, and this is so natural because the Latins themselves are essentially bandits and invaders, the term "Latins" even speaks about this, where root "LAT" (remember the armor, patching, patches, etc.). And about: "with the influx of Slavic slaves to Western Europe, in the 11-12 centuries, not earlier" - so "Europe" is just beginning to appear in the 1601th century, not earlier, but reached the Urals in the XNUMXth century, check on the cards, it is all there. The term "esclave" is also interesting - I haven’t met it for a long time, there are many different ones, so I don’t write in Latin, it hurts a lot of writing options and I was often warned about it. And as for the "Slavic slaves", then it is more likely that the "Sklaven slaves" will be more precise. Honestly, no one has yet discovered the term "Slavs" anywhere before XNUMX, but out of habit you use obviously unverified information. And you do not seem to be able to prove with anything documentary, just too lazy. Only now some schoolboy was trying to teach me using only "Google", he also thinks that there is no need to understand anything, you can trust a simple network. That is to say, "the Pepsi generation" - you can't say anything else. That is, a sharp drop in the intelligence of students is apparently associated with the ai-phonetic plague, there is no other way to be found. But I still do not advise you to slide down to the level of these schoolchildren, it is not solid how it all looks.

[Fraracol_2]

Cool wrapped up. I haven’t read this anywhere else.

[Fat]

Quote: Edward Vashchenko

And the RUSSIANS were even earlier the SLAVS, "in times before the beginning of time" and still in other galaxies and on distant planets

A funny joke. Hinevich’s theories are just about foreigners ..

[PTsvn]

Now in Russia, 7528 is a year from the victory over the Chinese,

[Fraracol_2]

A new version. You are all alternative specialists here, how can you sort things out among yourself, what is the reason for this 7528 year? It seems that versions will soon appear that are above the reptilians, the aliens from the planet Nibiru, the inhabitants of Atlantis. And did Napoleon seem to go to Moscow not in 1812, but in 7528?

[Fat]

Quote: Fraancol_2

A new version. You are all alternative specialists here, how can you sort things out among yourself, what is the reason for this 7528 year? It seems that versions will soon appear that are above the reptilians, the aliens from the planet Nibiru, the inhabitants of Atlantis. And did Napoleon seem to go to Moscow not in 1812, but in 7528?

Yes, there are already such versions, you need to read all the comments. Namely reptilians, and Atlantis and Nibiru, did not cite the entire Asgard archive of dates.
With Napoleon you got excited)))
2019 = 7528 summer, however.

[Fraracol_2]

I will tell you from the finger of such still versions who won here, who went from whom and who stood on whom, etc., for a couple of minutes to the pump, and I will quite reasonably explain, in particular, that the year 7528 is actually 1812, Napoleon, this is Ivan the Terrible, and in general in the war of the 12th year nuclear weapons were used. And the arguments will be much more believable than in this article and in some half-crazy comments.

[Olgovich]

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If our state stopped financing the “world community” and its institutions and finally took up the history of the Russian people, including in the national and state interests, large-scale archaeological excavations, then we could learn a lot of interesting things about your own past and world history. So, they would have known that Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia are our homeland, Russia. That in the recent past, Russians (Russians) populated vast lands of Europe and Asia, Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Poland, Germany, Austria, the Balkans,

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i.e. WITHOUT excavations-studies, such a claim is impossible, which the author confirms himself ..

But how did he manage to pierce the millennia and learn the truth?

[kalibr]

Quote: Olgovich

But how did he manage to pierce the millennia and learn the truth?

Extrasensory perception! We are not given to you.

[Fat]

Quote: Olgovich

WITHOUT excavations-studies, such a claim is impossible, which the author confirms himself ..

What did the excavations give? Arkaim was dug up, now all historians are scratching their turnips: "What was that?" Artifacts only add porridge in their heads and destroy beautiful "generally accepted" theories. Therefore, they do not officially notice the results of the work of archaeologists other than the "basic interpretation" of history

[Captain45]

Quote: Olgovich

But how did he manage to pierce the millennia and learn the truth?

Have you seen the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession"? So the author has such a car in the kitchen. Remember that Shurik said: "Why is there a wall. I can pierce millennia and go into the past ..." And here you can see the plugs were knocked out, so he is in the middle of the article and sprinkles.

[robinson]

Quote: Moskovit

Likes Samsonov to make a salad of history. You can come up with tens of thousands of years of history as Ukrainians, or you can soberly face the facts and say that Russian civilization is quite young, but managed to stand on a par with the great civilizations of the West and East for one and a half thousand years.

It is difficult to disagree with you. It is always interesting from an academic point of view to read about history and the different versions in it. One thing is not clear why tie different antiquities to modern life. In my humble opinion, we have enough achievements in the foreseeable history. Not?

[venaya]

It is always interesting from an academic point of view to read about history and the different versions in it ..

And what about the normal, and not "from the academic point of view" to read about the real past of Ancient Russia is not at all interesting? How do you significantly limit yourself in the choice of sources of information .. And why would it? Someone can explain such a rather narrow limitation of ourselves? It would be very interesting to know about this ..

[robinson]

Quote: venaya

It would be very interesting to know about this ..

You are welcome. Academic interest, in this case, matters as some kind of theoretical knowledge that is difficult to apply in practice. Or do you think that if what if tomorrow we get reliable evidence that Adam and Eve were Russian, something will really change? Not? I do not limit myself to reading at all; I like to read about history from childhood, both art and popular publications. I was not engaged in scientific works, sorry, not my profile, but I am always ready to accept the expert assessment, in this article I did not see an expert.

[venaya]

Quote: robinson

Academic interest, in this case, matters as some kind of theoretical knowledge ..

Fiction! This is what happens: Some foreigners, presumably Anglic Germans, from God knows where from, come to Rus-Muscovy and at first begin to invent a kind of "Norman theory", moreover, right off the bat, without spending their "precious" on "empty" research in this region. But here really "the appetite comes with eating" and after a while they come up with some "Tatar-Mongol Ygo", which in these places no one knew at all and did not even imagine at all! Aren't you giving too much credit to these obviously unworthy crooks? And what specific "theory" in general in these cases can we talk about here? Unfortunately, I can't say anything about "Adam and Eve", I just don't know them personally ..

[robinson]

Quote: venaya

Aren't you giving too much credit to these obviously unworthy crooks? And what specific "theory" in general in these cases can we talk about here?

Look, the author writes:

The winner writes the story. He writes for himself, for himself and for the programming of “unhistorical” peoples who are colonized and exploited. History is a powerful management priority that will allow us to program the course of development of mankind, peoples and countries hundreds of years in advance. This is a question of globalization, the management of humanity, the planet, global politics.

We are in the foreseeable history to whom what have we lost? How shoud I understand this? Need to compose something about the ancient Sumerians, Aryans and other Hyperboreans? Well, what would capture all the newspapers, radios and televisions and broadcast to all managing? So what? Why do we need this? Laurels of Count Cagliostro do not give rest?
I’ll tell you a secret: if somewhere there are scammers from history or anything else, this is not a reason to cheat yourself. Mom and dad told me so, and grandfather and grandmother.
And if someone has data on MG or something else there, let them share it! Without being tied to Putin or someone else. Something like this.

[venaya]

Quote: robinson

We are in the foreseeable history to whom what have we lost? How shoud I understand this? Need to compose something about the ancient Sumerians, Aryans and other Hyperboreans? ..

And "We in the foreseeable history" lost almost everything! Remind at least that, so to speak, the mother of Russian cities Kiev was in direct occupation of outright geeks who sincerely hate their own ancestors, fathers, grandfathers, etc. Is it still not noticeable to you? And also tell by family name who exactly "composed something about the ancient Sumerians"? To whom are you specifically presenting your claims here? Well, let me know at least something, you can't endlessly throw in unfounded accusations, because this is obvious and already traditional: "punishment of the innocent and rewarding the innocent." Is it really not noticeable yet? Please understand these relatively simple things before throwing accusations against those who are not involved and openly shielding the obvious enemies of Russia, of whom something has been collected too much here. And in general, what exactly are they doing here, why don't they go to their "liberal" sites. Please understand everything that I have written here ..

[robinson]

And "We in the foreseeable history" lost almost everything! Remind at least that, so to speak, the mother of Russian cities Kiev was in direct occupation of outright geeks who sincerely hate their own ancestors, fathers, grandfathers, etc.

Firstly, if it is really a Russian city, then it will return, it has already happened that Moscow and Novgorod were chopped, then Vladimir and Ryazan. It happens. And if he doesn’t return, it means he was not Russian, he simply pretended to be. They can lie about history in different directions.

Quote: venaya

And also tell by family name who exactly "composed something about the ancient Sumerians"?

Here is a direct quote from the author of the article:

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language (Russian).

Well, there is much more like that.

[venaya]

Quote: robinson

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language

Well, first of all, I have not found any "Sumerians" here, and it pleases. But about the "Aryans", so here I do not consider myself a great specialist, therefore I do not use this term at all. Here is a nuance: There is the Baltic Sea, the Latin term where "balt" = ribbon. Previously, this sea was called in different ways, but only in Russian words, then Varyazhsky, then Venetian, there is also a more ancient name the sea of ​​Yara (= God of the Sun). The fact is that in ancient times they often wrote not from left to right, but even alternately through a line, there are such examples. On the island of Rügen, previously Rugi (the ancient name of the Rus), even Russian temples remained, there was also the temple of God Yara-Ra, such an amazing term. That is, that "Ra" that "Yar" for any Sun God. God Ra once migrated to Egypt and is known there, but here there was great freedom of "religion", that is, you could choose Gods at your own discretion and call him according to your own. About 4 years ago, part of the population of that old Russia, sometimes called the "Tripoli culture", moved east towards the future of China. It is known that 4 years ago they founded the excavated hillforts in the Southern Urals, then continued their movement towards China, even Korea, and there were already discovered pots with Russian-language inscriptions that laid the foundation for today's Chinese writing. But the unit moved south, towards Tajikistan. In Russia to this day there are ancient Temples with the inscriptions "DB" - means "Dazhd-God". Here are the "grandchildren of Dazhd-God" and later called themselves Tajiks. After the movement continued to Hindustan, there now the highest caste of brahmanas consists of 80% of their descendants. They wrote their well-known Vedas, but they already called themselves "Aryans", apparently in honor of God Yar = God of the Sun. To the west of Tajikistan there is the Aral Sea, where the same "Aryans" also settled. The inhabitants of Persia also considered themselves Arias (= Perunov Russia, Perun = God of fire, Vedas of the Avesta = Vedas of Fire-worshipers). Farther west, these "Aryans" settled in Mesopotamia and on the Arabian Peninsula and called themselves "Arabs", in fact the same "Aryans". Perhaps Hitler knew all this and arranged such an Aryan circle in part of Russia in "Germany". But we must take into account that in the XNUMXth century in the north of Hindustan the Empire of the Great Mughal was formed, led by the Mughals from Samarkand (a purely Russian language term). Their language became Hindi = modernized Sanskrit. So the British completely defeated this empire by the XNUMXth century, having completely plundered it and thus raised its economy due to the destruction of this richest Empire. Hitler was raised by both Americans and the British, they gorgeously knew at whose expense they were living and always praised the Aryans of the Empire defeated by them. All money is in America and England, science is financed by them, and therefore this term "Aryans" got into the scientific world and Samsonov has nowhere to go, he seems to be forced to use this already English-language term. I don’t know what to do here, I try to use different terminology myself. How can I explain all this? I don’t have enough space on the site!

[Captain45]

Quote: venaya

Farther west, these "Aryans" settled in Mesopotamia and the Arabian Peninsula and called themselves "Arabs", in fact the same "Aryans". Perhaps Hitler knew all this and arranged such an Aryan circle in part of Russia in "Germany".

Hitler did not even know this, he got all these theories from Haushofer and his friends from "Vrila", and only then "Anenerbe" and other Aryan tricks appeared.

[venaya]

Quote: Captain45

.. I got all these theories from Haushofer and his friends from "Vrila", and only then "Anenerbe" and other Aryan things appeared.

I have already written too much here and ask you to pay special attention to the fact that some "Aryans" were not invented by Hitler or "Anenerbe" at all, this information came from the British, they encountered the Aryans back in the Mughal Empire, after all, the "Great Moguls" themselves originally from the present "Samarkand" (what an amazing Russian-language name of the city is here consonant with both Samara and Arkona taken together) also behaved like Aryans, like absolutely all Brahmans, even in today's India. Unfortunately, this term "Aryans" is still in circulation in the English-language scientific literature, and not only Samsonov is therefore simply forced to use this term, but also other representatives of various sciences. It happened. So it would be better if you turned your gaze not to some "minor" figure like Hitler, but to his real sponsors from English-speaking countries, and there are really a lot of them. We all, unfortunately, became hostages of the widespread use of not only the English language, but also many terms from it and not only from it. Try to think about this, I myself do not like Hitler either, but this does not mean that only stones must be thrown at him, this is clearly at least not constructive. So I recommend that you take a closer look at the origin of many terms, I think that this will be more useful and more productive.

[Gardamir]

About a lot of honor. First, in those days there was no internet and no TV. Secondly, I lived in the time of Brezhnev and Gorbachev, my father told me about the war. And what will a person born for example in 1992 know?

[Fraracol_2]

And then the State Department on what? What about Obama's predecessor? With them it will become.

[bober1982]

The article did not arouse interest; I read it absent-mindedly, but the comments on it surprised me. As a rule, the author for such, ...... superethnos, Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and the like, just started to poison and make fun of him, and to this article there are some enthusiastic comments, it is not clear how this can be.

[robinson]

Quote: bober1982

how can this be.

Because Samson was Russian, and Alexander is an ancient Slavic name.

[Fraracol_2]

I always suspected that something was not clean with Macedonian. Maybe then Ivan (John) is Slavic?

[robinson]

Quote: Fraancol_2

Maybe then Ivan (John) is Slavic?

This is to the author. Apparently he is a specialist.

[venaya]

Maybe then Ivan (John) is Slavic?

Why not? There is such a city called "Brest", they say it is about 2 years old. This city is located on the westernmost point of our continent and naturally it helped the Pomors to escape from bad weather. So this city is located in the province of Vendée (you may have heard of this), and the Vans or Vendées live there. "Wan" or "wan" means water in both ancient and modern languages. The term I-van also comes from water. There is a river bed and mermaids swam there, dew appeared on the bank in the grass, and it is from these terms that they suggest that the terms rus, grew, etc. Finns call Russes Venets, where the root "veins" = also water. So whatever one may say, I-wang is a different Russian-language term and is used in all related languages, and in the Vendean language too.

[Fraracol_2]

Well, about the name Alexander, you wrote nonsense, not the author.

[robinson]

Hand face. For a long time I did not write in VO. Look for the meaning of the word sarcasm.

[mark2]

So the author is the same site administrator. Try to joke over him)))

[Flooding]

Quote: bober1982

The article did not arouse interest; I read it absent-mindedly, but the comments on it surprised me. As a rule, the author for such, ...... superethnos, Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and the like, just started to poison and make fun of him, and to this article there are some enthusiastic comments, it is not clear how this can be.

You have been inattentive, perhaps recently.
A powerful and influential clan of Aryan-Hyperboreans formed at VO.
Able not only to fill up the mammoth in the old way, but also to zaminusut and stumble on the forum any dissent. Therefore, laughing at them has long ceased. It is better to stand aside - less will go to nuts.

[bober1982]

Quote: Flood

A strong and influential clan of hyperborean Aryans formed at VO

Incidentally, I learned about this topic only here on the site, before that I had no idea about such conversations, frankly - some kind of eccentricity, although in my opinion, it was not at all harmless.

[Fat]

Quote: bober1982

frankly - some kind of eccentricity, although in my opinion, it is not at all harmless.

The prosecutor agrees with you. Asgard Theological School Closed for Extremism

[Gardamir]

In our Old Syrian-Hyperborean one must speak not a clan, but a clan

[Amateur]

According to Russian President V.V. Putin, Russians appeared no earlier than the XNUMXth century. n e.

Inspired by:

Comrade Stalin!
You are a great scientist
You know a lot about linguistics
...

[parusnik]

historian Yu. D. Petukhov

..... So you write, you write fiction, bam and the historian ... The author does not say that, according to Yu.D. Petukhov, the Paleolithic Cro-Magnons were primordial Rus, they developed a proto-language and cultural traditions that the Russians inherited in their purest form, and it was the Rus that made up the white race, from which the most different nations. Probably the first to budge the Chinese. The Russian and Chinese slogans are brothers forever, this is from there from the depths of that genetic memory .. Vesmirnash

[Reptiloid]

Quote: parusnik

historian Yu. D. Petukhov

..... So you write, you write fiction, bam and the historian ... The author does not say that, according to Yu.D. Petukhov, the Paleolithic Cro-Magnons were primordial Rus, ......

Well, Alexey now after your comment you will have the entire list of historians carefully. .. (but --- in the evening) ... I don’t know everyone, but Chudinov is definitely not needed. In general, there are 2 Chudinovs. One about the French Revolution, the other about our ancestors

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Putin raised the theme of the origin of the Russian people: “And who are the Russians?” Until almost the XNUMXth century, there were no Russians; he (the Russian people. - Auth.) Gradually developed from many ethnic groups. ”

Putin and history are not compatible concepts. He does not have basic (scientific, not educational) knowledge. He as a person was formed in another field of activity - the KGB. He is more familiar with the culture and history of Germany than Russia (including the USSR), so that he would not stand out much in the "field" where he was to work (GDR), so all his "historical" statements are populism. The history of the country in which he is president is known to him at the level of the Soviet school curriculum. This (his quote about Russians) is not the first "blunder" of a person who runs a country where the bulk of citizens consider themselves Russian. But this is not important ... Another thing is important (my personal reflections), that today's Russia reminds me of Khazaria, which included many ethnic groups (tribes and nationalities), but the rules of the "Jewish elite". Which is trying again and again to "edit" the history of the Russian ethnos.

[robinson]

The surname Tsymbal in Yiddish means cymbals (musical instrument). Obviously, the ancestor of the bearer of this surname played on plates in the orchestra. The Big Mitzvah is to play music at a Jewish wedding and thus amuse the bride and groom.
The Jews of the Russian Empire began to be given surnames at the turn of the 18th and 19th centuries, after the annexation of the western regions of Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic States to the Russian Empire - after the partition of Poland, when Catherine II "acquired" a huge number of Jews, along with the western regions, from the majority which historically did not have surnames, but only the name and patronymic, for example, Aron, son of Yankel.

Of course there are many ethnic groups, all kinds and different. This is me like Russian to Russian. Gee.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Dear robinson! Before writing about anything, you must at least have a visual idea of ​​the object of your "conclusions". I want to "enlighten" you and similar "experts" of musical instruments that Cymbals are a string percussion musical instrument. Their body has a flat, trapezoidal shape with stretched strings. Sound on cymbals is produced by wooden sticks.. Do not believe me - check in other sources and personally make sure that the cymbals do not even look like plates. Well, look at the registry of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks - there are two Cymbals listed, one of which is my distant ancestor.
Well, for reflection (this does not concern you personally): How is the foolish different from the smart? The foolish will first say, then think. Smart - on the contrary: first think, then say. Gy))).

[robinson]

Thank! I studied the question a little more. Here is the largest list of versions according to the all-knowing Internet version: http://www.ufolog.ru/names/order/%D0%A6%D1%8B%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB
But you know what is the most interesting? What with Yiddish Tsymbal really translates as a plate !!! (checked by Yandex translator) Question: who used to stake out this word? Yiddish carriers or musicians of Zaporozhye? What do you think?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

In general, many peoples of Europe and Asia have instruments similar to cymbals. But we are talking about something else - about "stagnation". Primarily - Yiddish arose in Central and Eastern Europe in the X-XIV centuries based on Middle High German dialects with extensive borrowings from Hebrew and Aramaic (up to 15-20% of vocabulary) and (in the eastern branch) Slavic (in dialects reaches 15%) languages, and later from modern German. The fusion of languages ​​gave rise to an original grammar, allowing you to combine words with Semitic and Slavic roots and syntactic elements of Germanic languages. So it is not yet known who first gave the name to the cymbals ....
Well, I'm wondering from what language you translated the word "cymbals".
By the way, the Cossacks went into battle under the cymbals (in those days there were no radio stations), so the teams in the battle were transmitted using this musical instrument. By the way, on the Great Dale (land near the Dnieper rapids) there was a river and Lake Tsimbalovo (now it is all flooded by the waters of the Zaporizhzhya reservoir).

[robinson]

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

So it is not yet known who first gave the name to the cymbals ....

Well, I don’t know for sure. What is actually talking about. All this is complicated and complicated enough to draw definite conclusions and even more so to tie it to some sort of today's affairs. Well, Putin said and said, he really is not a historian, he is a leader, and we should be interested in his real affairs and not theoretically blah blah on abstract topics.

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

Well, I'm wondering from which language you translated the word "cymbals"

In the Russian transcription, Tsymbal is in Yiddish, then from Yiddish to Russian. Check if there is a desire.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

So I am about it !!! Here are just such "blunders" of the Head of the country, have far-reaching consequences ... and, above all, the erosion of the existing ethnic culture of the Russian people. In our country, no one questions (does not dare) to talk about the ethnohistory of other peoples living on the territory of the Russian Federation - how (!!!), you can offend, but about the Russians you can (?!). We say a lot that the West is rewriting history, but for some reason we do not want to notice that the history of Russia is being rewritten today and in our country ... Well, about Putin (as a person) - I am alarmed by his personal "globolization" - a man of the world, and not a representative of Russian culture, and the emergence of his servants - Putinism ... One can argue a lot, but Russia is united not by the economy, but by the culture of the Russian ethnos. The blurring of this culture leads to the disintegration of the country - the example of the USSR.

[robinson]

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

We say a lot that the West is rewriting history, but for some reason we do not want to notice that the history of Russia is being rewritten today and in our country

About the West: if someone is mistaken in something, then this is primarily his problem. Hitler, he did not consider us people, for the Germans, he wanted all the best, right? And what is the result? Got a fascist grenade? Just like Napoleon and everyone else. This is a stupid fact. They just made a mistake.
About us: what are they actually rewriting? I have not heard or seen anything fundamentally new from school (I graduated in 1984). Or am I missing something? And in the RSFSR, unlike, there were no ministries. Now, in my opinion, just everything is somehow fairer.

[Fraracol_2]

Is this so important for you personally?

[robinson]

Quote: Fraancol_2

Is this so important for you personally?

Approximately three points on a ten-point scale

[depressant]

Mr. Putin ... That's really pissed off!
Such obstinacy ...
We Russians, the sacrificial people, we will give the last shirt back, for the sake of a friend we’ll break ourselves. And they tell us - you are not here. No, that's all! Therefore, your national projects are stalled. If huge people convince that they are not there, then this people will not do anything. You are not my friend, Mr. Putin. For their homeland, for Stalin-they were dying. For you - they won’t. It remains only for the homeland. This is what kind of state mind you need to have in order to deprive an entire nation of an incentive to creativity. Instead of its paternalistic beginning to put at the service of state interests. It would be better if he did not say anything at all, President.

[bober1982]

Quote: depressant

This is what kind of state mind you need to have in order to deprive an entire nation of an incentive to creativity.

But A.P. Chekhov argued that ................. the Russian man has only hope - to win two hundred thousand.

[depressant]

Sorry, colleague bober1982, I have the priority of Efremov and Strugatsky. And also Dmitry Sillov.

[Million]

The judoka hockey player is also a historian!

[Edik]

It is clear that the concept of Russians did not appear out of nowhere! Let us then call ourselves Russians? And let the smartest say, from what year did the nationality "Russian" come into use?

[Mcar]

Quote: Edik

It is clear that the concept of Russians did not appear from nowhere! Let us then call ourselves Russes?

Russian is a nation, Rus is a nationality. WhiteRuss is there, but there are no Russians, or, as before the revolution, are there no Great Russians? Then ...

[Edik]

Quote: McAr

Russian is a nation, Rus is a nationality.

And what about the fact that in the passports of the USSR nationality was put in the line Russian, but let's say not Russian?

[Mcar]

Quote: Edik

Quote: McAr

Russian is a nation, Rus is a nationality.

And what about the fact that in the passports of the USSR nationality was put in the line Russian, but let's say not Russian?

Yes, no way. It is also good that such a column appeared in the passport altogether - in the Republic of Ingushetia and it was not there.

I can only assume that because of this "prefix" VELIKOrossy. They say it is useless in a multinational country, even if it is a state-forming nationality, to have such a prominent "prefix".

[venaya]

Quote: Edik

let the smartest say, from what year did the nationality "Russian" come into use?

No problem: earlier there were Russians, Little Russians, Great Russians, Chervonorussians, even Yellow Russians, etc. There was no Latin-speaking concept of "nation" in the Russian Empire by definition, people were divided according to other principles, the religious principle: Orthodox, Catholics, Buddhists, Jews, etc. for the first time in Russia, nationalities appear only in 1917: Russians, Jews, etc. as they appear .. I hope that I was able to answer the question posed.

[Edik]

Quote: venaya

I hope that I was able to answer the question.

Thank you

[Edik]

Vyacheslav so how to dignify us? Russian people are not suitable?

[venaya]

Russian people do not fit?

I think that both the American people and the Japanese people and the Russian people are perfectly acceptable forms of word formation, I don’t see big problems in this. It’s another matter that it’s really useful to know the nuances so simple and so important for us in the derivation of this term, it never hurts.

[Vadim Golubkov]

As far as I remember, now is 7528 according to the Russian calendar, which suggests that Russians are at least 7528 years old. You can even recall the Russian annals of the years.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Vadim Golubkov

that Russians are at least 7528 years old

teach your story your story, is it to say that the WORLD is 7529 years old

[Avior]

This suggests that Adam appeared 7528 years ago

[Vadim Golubkov]

The Jews are now 5779 years old.

[Avior]

Yes, I heard from them all the moves are recorded, who gave birth to whom

[You search]

The only question is, where did you get that this is the Russian calendar? Written sources indicate that this is a Byzantine artificially created calendar from the creation of the world.

[Fat]

Quote: Cherchi

The only question is, where did you get that this is the Russian calendar? Written sources indicate that this is a Byzantine artificially created calendar from the creation of the world.

The Byzantine chronology was introduced by Vasily II the Bulgarian Slayer, this emperor was not strong friends with the Slavs, he probably picked up on them))) It is interesting that the creation of the world in Byzantine does not correspond to the Old Testament. Among the Jews, now, 5780 from the creation of the world, i.e., from the 6th day of creation. Byzantine - 7528 from the same, 6 days

[Boris55]

Quote: A. Samsonov

Putin once again criticized Lenin.

You forgot to mention the context in which the answer to the question asked by a Trotskyist liberal who wanted another "perestroika" was: "In Russia you can", "You can experiment with Russians" and then the question about the publicized Butovo training ground. Gentlemen, liberals, you will decide what you want , a new revolution and a new Butovo training ground, one cannot exist without the other, or what?

[eckons]

Quote: Pike

But relatively recently, the guarantor publicly stated, for example, that MT yoke wasn’t ...

So where is it that the yoke was not there?

[BAI]

Is the author rewriting "Komsomolskaya Pravda" dated December 17?

[Solo2503]

I wonder if zhurnyashlyu brains include when they write paraphrases of other people's ideas and thoughts? In recent years, Klyosov has not in vain written not just R1a or R1b, but gives clearer layouts of chains of snips. They give a picture of the dispersion of people in the ancient world. "Careful need, comrades." Well, something like that, quick. But in general, it seems that the author has not read the latest works of DNA genealogies. Good day!

[Fraracol_2]

There is no such science.

[kartalovkolya]

The attitude to the HISTORY of one's (and perhaps not one's) people most clearly shows the very essence of the ruler. The only surprise is that we Russians glorify and glorify those rulers who, for the sake of the West, "rearrange" our History ", but in fact ruin their people, turning them into" Ivanov who do not remember their kinship ", the same Peter-1 not only changed the clothes of the Russians in German dress, but also allowed German "scientists" like Miller and others like him to destroy the rarest chronicles and impose on us the western history of our country. He destroyed the roots and the tree will die ...

[smaug78]

So, DNA genealogy shows that the ancestors of the Russians were Arians who lived on the Russian Plain 5-6 thousand years ago. - Galaperedol Samsonov and complete isolation, suddenly it is contagious

[eckons]

And I, considered VO a serious resource. And here it turns out even nonsense about the ancient Rus can be published. Let’s also tell about ancient ukrov, and who drove and piled more.

[Barmaleyka]

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language (Russian).

if they said that in ancient Slavic
there are really a lot of inconsistencies in our history, and white spots contradict, but this is not a reason to write an article about another "digging" of the Black Sea

[venaya]

Quote: Barmaleyka

if they said that in ancient Slavic

As for the Slavs, this is even more interesting. According to sources, the term "Slavs" is not more than 500 years old, for the first time it appears in publications, as they write to me, only in 1601, and that is no longer Russian, that is, this term itself is clearly not Russian-speaking. Do you have any other information on this subject? So you seem to be putting forward a version of foreign origin, and a fairly new one. It may be better to use the original Russian language, as it is more familiar to me. And one more thing: now the Black Sea was previously called the Rusk Sea (one "C", that is, according to the ancient spelling). But this is so, on occasion for reference, although I really do not know who was there and what was dug up, but I'm not even interested in this ..

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: venaya

According to sources, the term "Slavs" is not more than 500 years old

according to what sources ?!

Quote: venaya

as they write to me only in the 1601st year

who writes you?

Quote: venaya

this term itself is clearly not Russian-speaking

it's generally something enchanting

By the way, even when Ivan the Terrible boyar and the princes ran around the three Slavic states, the speeches of the Commonwealth of Moscow principality and the Lithuanian principality, like fleas on a dog, they quietly changed the ruler and this was not considered out of the ordinary and, apparently, they spoke in a common language

[venaya]

Please prove that the term "Slavs" is Russian-speaking, just do not confuse it with the really Russian-speaking term "Slovenia" - it has a different meaning and they do not want to admit it. And as for the fact that they spoke in a common language, so Charles XII spoke with the inhabitants of Bendery and with the Ottomans in a common language, then neither Swedish nor Turkish was monopolized (there were no Turks yet). Pomerania also belonged to Sweden, so Russian was still the main language there, it was later banned. Do you really refer the Prussians and Pomors of Pomerania to the "Slavs"? And for me they have always been Russian-speaking Russians and their toponymy is still all Russian-speaking. There, in Pomerania, there is still the sacred city of the Rus Arkona with the remains of ancient temples, if of course this infa is interesting. And as for the deep zombie, then yes, I agree, the foreigners did their best here, I must admit it. As for the sources, even here on the site there was a lot of such information, they beat the results of research, they did not find any sources before the XNUMXth century, and now they constantly write to me about this from the Balkans, it is well known there. For the first time, the term "Slavs" appears in the writings of Mavro Orbini, everyone here knew about it, it's a pity that you missed it, you have to look for a lot of them in the early publications.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: venaya

Please prove the Russian-speaking term "Slavs", just do not confuse it with the really Russian-speaking term "Slovenia"

even more enchanting, do you know Old Slavonic freely?

[venaya]

Quote: Barmaleyka

.. are you Old Slavic fluent?

Forgive me, but how long ago the "Slavs" appeared at all, I have no information on this at all, can you share with me. Usually I study various forms of ancient Russian writing, I can read something, I have never contacted Old Slavonic, I have never come across them. Do you have at least one example of such an Old Slavonic letter?

[Barmaleyka]

don't feed the troll

[venaya]

Quote: Barmaleyka

.. feed the troll

Problems?

[Avior]

I read how people are indignant about calendars.
But the fact is that before Peter 1 from January 1, 1700 introduced the Christian Gregorian calendar, introduced earlier by Pope Gregory 13 in the 16th century, in Russia they used the Julian calendar, introduced by Julius Caesar, created on the basis of the Egyptian calendar by a group of astronomers from Alexandria, but with Christian additions, the chronology in it began with the “creation of the world” with the advent of Adam.
So it was also a completely Christian calendar
The New Year has been changing from March to September.
Thus, the calendar that our ancestors used is called the Julian calendar of the Byzantine era, the March, then the Ultramart, and then the September style, and it is also quite Christian after the introduction of the Byzantine era

[bober1982]

Quote: Avior

that before Peter 1 from January 1, 1700 introduced the Christian Gregorian calendar, introduced earlier by Pope Gregory 13 in the 16th century

But, did Peter I introduce the Gregorian calendar? He just officially established the beginning of the New Year on January 1st.
Immediately after the Bolsheviks seized power, the question was raised about the transition to the Gregorian calendar, and in January 1918, the Gregorian calendar was established by a Decree on the introduction of a sub-European calendar in the Russian Republic.

[Avior]

You are right, I wrote incorrectly
Peter canceled the use of the Byzantine era, switched to the reckoning from the Nativity of Christ, as it was in the Gregorian calendar, and introduced the New Year from January 1, the difference with Gregorian at that time was 10 days, which later accumulated until 13
A completely Gregorian introduced after the revolution

[bober1982]

Your comment, by the way, is literate, with the exception of this inaccuracy, just immediately caught my eye.
The transition to the Gregorian calendar in Europe itself was met with hostility, but they resigned themselves (in Catholic countries), and in Protestant countries, they switched only in the XNUMXth century.

[Kronos]

Bolsheviks can only capture kings

[AK1972]

And the Russians, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the Russian language (Russian).

Here it is how ?!
From this statement, an unkilled conclusion follows that it was not the Russes who came from the Aryans, but rather the Aryans from the Russians. Hitler in hell nervously smokes a cigarette for a cigarette, realizing how wrong he was, and Shambhala was not looking for it at all. Bravo, author! Another bottom has been pierced. Further, Samsonov will tell us that the ancestors of the Rus arrived on lifeless earth from the planet Nibiru and everything was arranged here.

[Mestny]

An interesting but expected picture.
Here is the author, "Greetings from Fomenko", wrote a pseudo-scientific text on the topic of alternative history.
And nothing, praise. No scientists against myths rave about.
And why? Yes, because you see against Putin.
Well, if against Putin-then you can, what’s there. You can carry anything.
Even being a maniac historian. The main thing is that against the government.
They, of course, are ardently supported by the builders of other myths - communist.
As expected, in the same trench of the struggle against the regime there are both crazy "historians", and liberal "Westernizers" and the red-gray-brown and reddish propagandists of the "beautiful USSR".

Here is the main essence of these fighters for the truth, and actually their attitude to the truth.

[Kronos]

Fool you communists do not support these nonsense

[Vladimir61]

Wow! So many bright, conflicting opinions, so many references to antiquity and high-speed Internet ... that I don’t know who I am - Russian, Scythian, Aryan or Hyperborean.

[Maks1995]

"that Hyperborea, the land of the Aryans and Great Scythia is our Motherland, Russia. That in the recent past Russians (Rus) inhabited the vast lands of Europe and Asia, Scandinavia, the Baltic States, Poland, Germany, Austria, the Balkans, Northern Italy." and without doing research.


This is either well-known facts, or the study of experts from the Internet.
And Scythia = Russia - from Scotland to America, because mounds are everywhere, ala "Scythians"

The main thing is not to listen to historians, it is advisable not to go to school, but to listen to an Internet guru !!!!

[Smoke]

it’s time for the authors to send false articles and pseudo-historical ones to the ban forever, I sincerely do not understand the administration of this resource, don’t you at all understand that such utter nonsense about the ancient Aryan Rus of Hyperboreans turns the site into a natural trash, into a yellow press? Or are you consciously nurturing the seeds of Russian Nazism? Yeah, well, 5 thousand years in a row, from generation to generation, they’ve been sitting somewhere in Antarctica or somewhere else on some sort of secret top secret base, evil uncles and have been crafting insidious intrigues for 5 thousand years against Rus-Hyperboreans .... you’ve been completely overwhelmed there ? Do you understand that this is pure Nazism bottling and not an article ?? Goebbels is resting! The more incredible a lie, the sooner they will believe in it! I am now turning to the administration of this resource! Will you sue mb?

[AK1972]

I am now turning to the administration of this resource! Will you sue mb?

No need to go to court. I have another proposal for the administration. Create a section on the site "Alternative history" or "New chronology", where such articles will be published, and Fomenko-Nosovsky's witnesses will discuss them, plus and praise each other, earning marshal stars. And when I'm bored with pleasure I will go in, clean neighing.

[Smoke]

Wildly heated already similar vysery - such articles are simply offensive to a normal person

[Fraracol_2]

Clear. that all this crazy garbage is not so easy to write here, but with specific, very reactionary goals.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Smoke

it’s time for the authors for such false articles and pseudo-historical forever to send to the ban,

He’s a monument, someone will ban him! The author is one of the admins of the site.

[Smoke]

he’s a strange man - on frank lies and it’s not clear where the speculation came from, he fabricates such allegedly patriotic articles ..... they don’t like their homeland, they only harm it! Moreover, this Samsonov harms my homeland deliberately, it’s a pity, it’s a pity that he’s not 37 years old, such as he has felled for the prevention and treatment of any stage of hyperboreism.

[kalibr]

Quote: McAr

It will be a terrible geopolitical, informational and historical defeat for the West. "

Which will not change anything. Because it is reasonable to ask a question, but what are you all about ... then?

[Laurus]

Oh wei, when I get to the word "Aryans", I immediately cease to want to read further, but I want to ask who actually dug the Black Sea and poured the Caucasus Mountains: the great ancient proto-ukry or even more ancient and great Ruso-Aryans

[Operator]

Putin’s words about the appearance of Russians in the 9th century and the formation of the Russian people from many ethnic groups are nothing more than a curtsey to the national minorities of the Russian Federation, which currently make up only 19% of the country's population.

Formally, V. Putin is right - the people under the title name Russ / Rusich / Russian appeared only after the emergence of the East Slavic state Ruska Land in 862 in Novgorod under the leadership of the West Slavic tribe Rus led by Rurik. At the same time, the population of Ruska Zemlya also included extremely small Finno-Finnish peoples such as Korel, as well as mestizos of the Slavs and Ugro-Finns - Komi, Mari, Golyan, etc.

From the point of view of genetics, the Great Russian ethnos proper consists of 1/2 descendants of the Aryans (dominant haplogroup R1a), 1/5 of descendants of Illyrians (minor haplogroups I1 and I2), 1/6 of descendants of Ugro-Finns (minor haplogroup N1c1) and 1/10 - from the descendants of the Celts-Erbins (minor haplogroup R1b). The remaining Great Russians (at the level of 1-2 percent) are descendants of Caucasians, Northern Semites, Mongols, Hamites, etc.

The Little Russians, Belarusians, Poles and Slovaks (with the exception of a larger share of Illyrians and a smaller share of Ugro-Finns) have almost the same genetic structure. Moreover, the subclades of the dominant haplogroup R1a in these ethnic groups are so mixed that we can talk about their common genetic community.

[rotkiv04]

And this historian turned out to be proFesor in any field

[iouris]

Soviet were!

[Mestny]

There were no Soviets. Only in speeches at a meeting and on the pages of the Pravda newspaper.
As soon as the USSR died, the Soviet people immediately ended.
Fortunately, Soviet science failed to create a nomo sovieticus. Obviously, because they destroyed the science of genetics, declaring it "the corrupt girl of imperialism."

[sergey Mikula]

So, DNA genealogy shows that the ancestors of the Russians were Arians who lived on the Russian Plain 5-6 thousand years ago. This is another evidence.

Where can I read about this evidence?

[Fraracol_2]

Why would you read this pseudoscientific dregs?

[Alexander Sulimov]

Rare nonsense ...

[Trilobite Master]

One comment. The author and his creation do not deserve more.
It is quite obvious to me that the author himself does not believe in the blizzard that he carries. He does not even think about somehow arguing, defending it, somehow convincing him in something, or conveying any new knowledge to the reader. From time to time we see the same thing, even the form of presentation does not change.
Nevertheless, despite the uniformity, superficiality and flagrant stupidity, Samsonov’s creations find a reader’s response. And here I was born seditious: it means the matter is just in us, in the readers, since the author himself is nothing?
I glanced at the comments on the article, there is simply no time to read carefully.
Among the commentators, people noted were smart, thoughtful and competent, some even several times - they do not like the work of the author, to put it mildly.
There is also a series of comments from people whose mental abilities, apparently, were barely enough to learn to walk upright and the beginnings of human speech (those who thought it was written about them - right guys, this is about you ) - these Samsonov like it, but sometimes they do not completely agree with him.
A group of commentators was also noted here, whose callsigns are almost unfamiliar to me and it is difficult for me to make express assessments of their potential - their comments are often superficial, but not stupid, they simply correspond to the level of historical commentators education.
So, in my opinion, everyone who comments on such articles - and I myself, including - we all, participating in this Sabbath, are leveled to the same level and this level sets us all the most stupid and illiterate commentator of those who noted under this article (if anyone thought that this was about him, then this is about him).
I do not urge to boycott Samsonov’s work, no. I just want people who voluntarily plunge and flounder in the fetid liquid of his pseudo-historical bowel movements to have no illusions about how they will look and smell during this process. Of course, I do not mean now those for whom this slurry is a habitual habitat.
And every time you see another product of Samsonov’s creative metabolism or any other similar author on another resource, I would like you to think before you plunge into this environment if you want to have something in common with those you meet there.

[Fraracol_2]

Well said.

[voyaka uh]

Samsonov fired a large caliber:

"And the Rus, our direct ancestors, lived in Hyperborea, the country of the Aryans and Great Scythia. They spoke the language of the Rus" ////
----
"And to the south of them the Great Ukrainians lived in Great Ukriya. They spoke the language of Ukrov."
----
"And to the west of them the Great Polo lived in Great Poly. They spoke the language of the sexes."
----
Etc. The latest ancient history.

[Pane Kohanku]

"And to the west of them the Great Polo lived in Great Poly. They spoke the language of the sexes."

Alexey, I'm for the international!
And even to the west of them lived in Great Europe the great Jews. They spoke the language of the Jews. (yes!) And in the extreme south in Great Nigeria lived the great Nigers. They spoke Nigra (Old Harlem dialect).

[voyaka uh]

Only the Great Germans from Great Nemia did not say anything.
Because they were dumb.

[Mestny]

Well, this is "Alexey" and - where did you live?
Oh about them, then everything is certainly true.

[voyaka uh]

The most ancient history, as far as scientists know, is among the natives of Australia. They have not changed at all for 30,000 years. They also honor the spirits of their ancestors, and remain faithful to the leader, clan and traditional family.
Wonderful people!

[Fraracol_2]

It didn’t get to Antarctica what language the penguins spoke there 7528 years ago.

[Pane Kohanku]

It didn’t get to Antarctica what language the penguins spoke there 7528 years ago.

Pavel, they discussed this two years ago at the forum - by the way, under the articles of the same author. that the insidious penguin feeds lived in Antarctica.

[johnnokin]

Firstly, only galoshes were made for Putin in the USSR - he bought everything else in ... Germany. And he lived and served there. Secondly, Putin is not a historian, but only repeats the words spoken by ... enemies of the state - if they were patriots of the state, we would live in the most comfortable and secure state in the world today. In fact - today Russia resembles a colony with self-sufficient slaves who are allowed to speak "freely" and write comments, but the prohibitions have already begun - you cannot scold enemies (officials). And so that the slaves do not riot, they are given various kinds of concessions and some liberties, for example, rallies or pickets ... single. Thirdly, Putin contradicts himself from year to year - I will not give examples - you will find it yourself. Well, for example, about the pension reform "(2012), the retirement age will not be raised with me" - "(2018) raising the retirement age is a necessary procedure." Putin consistently fulfills the orders of the state colonizers. This sounds unnatural and we do not believe in it, since we are ... self-sufficient slaves - we seem to have everything and we are kind of free and we are kind of protected from external and internal enemies, we can even leave this state and we "do not care" that our ancestors gave their lives for every piece of our land. Let them live here ... maybe tea (by the way, only in our country they are called incorrectly - "Chinese")? Young people today are "gloriously hammered into the brains" and forced to hate their own state. One example - Svetlakov and Galustyan made a whole generation despise their state and call it "Rasha", "Rashka". in trend. Or the same Navalny is just Putin's clown for the "entertainment" (distraction) of young people. These are the usual, typical political performances, without which Putin will not be able to rule this territory. But, the collapse of his system is already visible. One example - more and more people stop watching zombie TV. People turn on the mind.
Yes, Putin builds "factories-and-ships" (using Soviet technologies), but if he does not do this, he will be taken out of the Kremlin on a pitchfork, and all of his "reformers" codela will be taken out of the Kremlin. Read at least about the "reformer" Gref - "Sberbank of the Russian Federation does not belong to Russia", "Gref is a member of the JP Morgan council."
Putin never gives examples and does not give links to sources of information - he behaves like the Almighty - "I said, so it was." But, it is enough to listen to the Russian ethnographer and art critic Svetlana Zharnikova, and everything falls into place - Russians are the first people on Earth with a higher mind. One example. The Russians are the only powerful nation that never attacked anyone for no reason, and the reasons were always the same - they came to us with the war and we answered them and "pulled out the Wishlist to the very tonsils." Foreigners and enemies of our state do not like it and never liked it, and therefore they will always mix Russians with savages and say from all the irons of the world that we only "climbed down from the trees 1000 years ago." Zharnikova "got in the way" and was removed quite recently, in 2015. But if all the inhabitants of Russia speak the words of Zharnikova, our country will be cleansed of parasites and enemies. ... Putin's stagnation will pass ... but what will happen next.
We’ll put the new foreigner in the chair of the head of the country?

[Fraracol_2]

Oh my god, also Zharnikova. There are specialized fiction sites.

[Misha Smirnov]

Putin, as a journalist, voices the opinions of various customers. Until 2008, he voiced the opinion of European, more precisely, German interventionists and pro-Russian forces. Both those and those.
Now he regularly broadcasts the opinion of German interventionists

[7,62x54]

When will the ballet be broadcast on TV?

[iouris]

Everything, the ballet will be gone, there will be a black suprematist square.

[Wolf]

The question is how the Romanovs were brought to the throne of Rusie and how the Hasidi came with him! ;) Before the Romanovs there were Rurikovichs and they created the GREAT KINGDOM OF THE RUSSIANS! Rurikovichi R1A, Romanovi R1B. Strange statement by Putin if he actually did it? The occupation of Rus begins by killing Ivan the Great (Groznog) poisoned him.

[Wolf]

The Slavs exactly as the name begins around the 16th, 17th centuries. Prior to this, historians in Russia would know if they were HUGE PEOPLE OD NORTHERN FRANCE, Male Asie, TPA LONG TO THE BALCAN AND UNTIL KAMCHATKA AND HE SAID IN ONE LANGUAGE and the group's haplo was in this people P1A. The people were huge and good did not beat slaves as in Rome or the Semites.

[Wolf]

Prior to this name, Slavs, for these people was the name SEEDS, SERBIES, but how many sounds strange to you. Rasene and Serbia as a name they almost deleted from the annals. But MOSTLY GRAMMERIC RULE OF OUR LANGUAGE EST: We make AGREEMENTS. For an example of RASENI, always agree for an example of P, C go in one line, and self-consensus on the dialect of our language. So Raseni and Ruseni are one word with the same meaning. RaSi and Rusi too! Like SoRBi and SerBi, SuRBi, etc.

[Wolf]

The fact that in Russia there are more than 180 different peoples, it is only the WEALTH OF RUSSIA AND SHOWS THE TENDERNESS OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, or is it not against that WHICH KICHMA AND THE HEART OF RUSSIAN POWER OF RUSSIA AND ALL THESE PEOPLE ACCEPT THANKS TO THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND THIS GOOD GUEST. !)! This means a HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND P1B, so far all these peoples live on their territory and according to their rules, culture, traditions, and where P1B does not. P1B destroyed many indigenous peoples and continue to do so!

[Wolf]

V.V. Putin must say directly what he wanted to say so that people understand the ego of the word !!!

[AleBors]

If we take the linguistic component, I agree with the author. Russian, like most Slavic languages, is related to Sanskrit. And this is the most ancient language. There are a lot of studies confirming this. And most European languages ​​came from this proto-language.
I recommend reading the works of N.R. Guseva, William Jones, Friedrich von Schlegel.

[7,62x54]

So who is more ancient, the ancient Ukrainians or the Rus?

[Wolf]

The ancient Okraintsy, Kraintsy, Ukrainians never existed before Khrushchov and Poroshenko. There were Rusi!!!

[Wolf]

Ask Gogol about Okraintsev!

[AB]

According to Russian President V.V. Putin, Russians appeared no earlier than the XNUMXth century. n e.

So he also understands ethnogenesis? There are two options: either VV himself did not understand what he said, or
About humanity
“The insanity grew stronger, the blood vessels bent, and the roof collapsed.
Four hedgehogs, in the fog, were beaten with a crowbar.
Although he shouted that it’s inhumane to beat him with a crowbar,
Hedgehogs spat on it all and beat with a crowbar. Silently everything.

Throwing the body lifelessly into the coastal bushes, then
Hedgehogs went home in the fog, forgetting about the poor snake.
Already rested. He got up the next morning, remembering the faces of those hedgehogs.
They were guarded secretly with two dozen snakes.

Hedgehogs screaming. They pulled out. Like, this is inhumane, brother!
I didn’t listen to them, because anger blocked his eyes.
Insanity grew stronger, the vessels bent, and the roof of the siehamsha was.
It’s not worth it, hedgehogs, in the fog, to beat the poor snake with a crowbar!”
Zarenius
Politicians should not meddle in science, just as scientists should not meddle in politics.
The most famous examples of scientists in power and politics in our country:
Egor Timurovich Gaidar, Doctor of Economics.
Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, Doctor of Historical Sciences.
Anatoly Borisovich Chubais, Candidate of Economic Sciences.
Boris Abramovich Berezovsky, Doctor of Technical Sciences.
Everyone already knows about politicians in science, they are countless... As soon as he came to power, he immediately settled down.

[Operator]

Quote: Sertorius

He definitely does not identify the Scythians and J2

Is.

[Basarev]

One thing doesn't please me. Now all the fanatics of the current propaganda will stir up and begin to rub in that there is not even such an ethnic group, and Russians are just a way of thinking. I can hear their words: there are all sorts of Russian Tatars, Russian Jews, but there are no Russian Russes, there are only crossbreeds.

[Evil Booth]

Americans don't exist! There are currently black Indians and visiting Chinese and Mexicans. Here.

[Wolf]

Today is Matchmakers Nikolai! This is a great GLORY to the ORTHODOX people and such articles cannot be published on this date!!! Administrators, what did you want and think when you allowed this?

[Wolf]

FROM THE BEGINNING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RIGHT OF GLORY MEANS AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHERE IT COMES FROM!!! WE ARE RASENI, SERBIAN SLAVS ACCORDING TO THE OLD FAITH DIVIDED THE WORLD INTO RIGHTS, YAV, NAV! THE WORLD OF THE GODS WAS RIGHT, AND WE GLORIFIED THE GODS!!! FROM THERE AND ORTHODOXY!

[Wolf]

V.V. PUTIN WILL READ RUSOV, RASENOV WAS BEFORE OLD ROME WHAT BI AND YOUR HISTORIANS KNEW!!! ;)

[Wolf]

AND MUCH EARLIER THAN THE BIBLE AND EGYPT!!! ;)

[Wolf]

You are being kept like monkeys so that they don’t know the TRUTH and the CHRONICLE, so that garbage can manipulate the people. Then, when our PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH, let us bury them all in place!

[1970mk]

Samsonov is recognized point-blank)))) What kind of DNA-Geneology?))) I’m even tired of laughing already..

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Hmmm..The further it goes, the funnier and scarier it gets..I wonder what he will agree to at the next press conference

[Pane Kohanku]

I wonder what he will agree to at the next press conference

I wonder what's growing in his garden - Mom, during the holidays we are going to Jamaica to work on smoking weed.... (Grebenshchikov). I don’t want to offend anyone, but this is the end. The question is that it has already collected more than 300 comments.

[Fat]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

The question is that this has already received over 300 comments.

Yes, everything is clear, the “history” section is not the most visited, so Samsonov’s opinion moved from “opinion” here. The revival worked, bravo.

[Pane Kohanku]

The revive worked, bravo.

uh-huh... pay attention how well the apologists of Hyperborea "minus"

[Dosaav]

1. Aryans are not Russians or Slavs. Genetically, the Aryans are Scythians, Khazars, Bulgars, Hindus, Pashtuns, Ashkenazi Jews, Tajiks, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs, Karachais and Balkars, Kyrgyz, Uighurs. They are combined into the so-called. haplogroup R1a-Z93, which separated from the common Indo-European root before the Indus (Harappan) civilization arose. Indian Aryans came to India from the Scythian steppes.
2. Rus are not Slavs. The Rus controlled the river routes along the Volga, Dnieper, and Caspian Sea; their colonies neighbored and traded with the Khazars and Bulgars. And they took tribute from the Slavs, including people. By origin they come from the Baltic, partly Scandinavians, partly Balts, partly Ugrians, partly Slavs.

[Alex Fox]

Quote: Dosaav

1. Aryans are not Russians or Slavs. Genetically, the Aryans are Scythians, Khazars, Bulgars, Hindus, Pashtuns, Ashkenazi Jews, Tajiks, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs, Karachais and Balkars, Kyrgyz, Uighurs. They are combined into the so-called. haplogroup R1a-Z93, which separated from the common Indo-European root before the Indus (Harappan) civilization arose. Indian Aryans came to India from the Scythian steppes.
2. Rus are not Slavs. The Rus controlled the river routes along the Volga, Dnieper, and Caspian Sea; their colonies neighbored and traded with the Khazars and Bulgars. And they took tribute from the Slavs, including people. By origin they come from the Baltic, partly Scandinavians, partly Balts, partly Ugrians, partly Slavs.

Are you tired of talking nonsense? Let us recall that about five thousand years ago Z93 and Z280 (M458 and Z284 had not yet formed) with their parent subclades moved to the Russian Plain, beyond the Carpathian Mountains, and about 4500 years ago the carriers of R1a-Z93 diverged along migration routes to the south, south -east and east, as described above. The carriers of Z280 remained on the Russian Plain, which later received the name of the Corded Ware culture (KShK) and the Fatyanovo culture. This was in the same Aryan times, since the KShK dates back to 5200–4300 years ago, and the subsequent Fatyanovo – 4300–3500 years ago. Therefore, the relationship between the Aryans and the Rus on the Russian Plain from the middle of III BC. e. are described with a brief formulation - “The Aryans left, the Rus remained.” Further, all Asian peoples have stories in their myths about white gods who came from the north. Russia, now and under the USSR, has and continues to pursue the policy of those same ancients, bringing civilization, but defective genes from other nations often play a joke on those to whom Rus' brought knowledge, they, like the ancient Ukrainians and others from the post-Soviet space, return back to barbarism.. ...

[Dosaav]

Therefore, the relationship between the Aryans and the Rus on the Russian Plain from the middle of III BC. e. are described with a brief formulation - “The Aryans left, the Rus remained.”

Who are they describing? Folk historians?
The division of Indo-Europeans into Europeans and “Aryans”-Euro-Asians occurred approximately 3500 BC.
The European branch of the Indo-Europeans (Z283) split into Proto-Slavs, Germans, Nordids, Balts around 3000 BC.

At this time, the “Aryans” (Z93) were already living separately in Central Asia and penetrated into India.

[venaya]

Quote: Dosaav

.. Indo-Europeans (Z283) split into Proto-Slavs, Germans, Nordids, Balts ..

It’s so interesting to read you, I’m just stunned with pleasure. In order: India was founded by the British in the 1871th century after the complete defeat of the Great Mogul Empire. Europe first appears in the 21th century and is formed in the 000th. Germany as a country and an empire first appears only in 1, and even then almost no one calls it that, its self-name is “Deutschland”. “Nordids” - the term can simply be dropped, and who is it? Maybe Bretons, Norwegians, Danes or who else? "Balts" - appear on the horizon at the end of the XNUMXth century. All the names are new, they weren’t even close to the “millennium of Rus'”, that is, in relation to the Russians, these are all just jerks. But in the “book of Veles” it is written that the Russian clan is XNUMX years old, this is for reference and this is the clan “RXNUMXa”. And by the way, what kind of term is this: “Folk historians” - by chance it’s not in Yiddish, otherwise it’s painfully similar. Somehow, try to switch to normal Russian, otherwise you will just ramble on in your incomprehensible dialects of wild African tribes. And so what you wrote here, absolutely everything relates specifically to the Russians, just different names for one ethnic group and nothing more.

[Dosaav]

If you don’t know what the Indus civilization is, google it.
If you don’t know who the Nordids are, Google them.
If you don’t know who the Germans are, Google them.
If you don’t know who the Balts are, Google them.
If you don’t know who folk historians are, Google them.

As for the Rus and Slavs, let’s turn to the historical evidence of that time:

“The island on which they (Russians) live, a three-day journey, is covered with forests and swamps, unhealthy and so damp that as soon as a person steps foot on the ground, the latter shakes due to the abundance of moisture in it. there is a king called the Khakan of the Rus. They attack the Slavs, approach them on ships, disembark, take them captive, take them to Khazaran and Bulkar and sell them there. They have no arable land, but eat only what they bring from the land of the Slavs... And they have no real estate, no villages, no arable land. Their only occupation is trading in sables, squirrels and other furs, which they sell to buyers. They receive the appointed price in money and tie them in their belts... They treat slaves well and take care of them clothes, because they trade [in them]. They have many cities, and they live freely. Always 100-200 of them go to the Slavs and forcefully take from them their support while they are there. And there (with them) there are many people from the Slavs who serve them (Russians) until they get rid of their dependence"

[venaya]

Quote: Dosaav

If you don't know what... google it...

Are you used to only communicating with complete idiots? Yes, “Google” at my age is tantamount to admitting complete incompetence at all. I specifically gave you the time when these terms appeared, you can google that too, and we’ll laugh together. Have you still not realized that this is not a source of decent information, although judging by your posts you really have not been able to understand this yet. How can I explain to you, in the world there live not only those who use a certain “Google”, but also people who are able to think independently and find more reliable information without the lying “Google”. Do you really still not understand this? Try to re-read everything that I have already written and take this information more seriously. Will you actually be able to refute anything from it? Or are you really a complete loser and by definition incapable of thinking for yourself? I'm waiting ..

[Evil Booth]

And there is an article aka an insult to believers for such “historians”

[Alex Fox]

Quote: g1v2

The Ugrofin is considered to be ancient - it arose about 20 thousand years ago. "Slavyanskaya" - about 15 thousand years ago. Although, given that they arose in different places, this does not mean anything.

Who is considered ancient? Who told you nonsense about the Ugro-Finnish group among the Chukhars? Have you personally performed gene tests?
or did you see it in Teletubbies? Serbs have almost 80 percent of R1a, this is something for you to think about. I don’t like it when people just blatantly lie. What is known about the halogroup R1a - the emergence of 22000 in southern Siberia, this is according to the official version.

[Wolf]

It is that the Russian people should know the RIGHT to say everything they think. You all know Kapitsa, but do you know what kind of man he was? He dared to tell Stalin; "that's NOT true"! Stalin did not remove the ego like Trotsky and the ego of the Sledbeniks, because he knew that Kapitsa was a Russian philanderer, and not trash like Trotskog. So if you know, you must tell the TRUTH, no matter what the consequences will be! We all die early or late, but we die anyway, so there is nothing to be afraid of death!

[Wolf]

We have a choice as people and how to die, like a Man or like garbage! People die on their feet, garbage on their knees!

[panzerfaust]

Thus, DNA genealogy shows that the ancestors of the Russians were the Aryans, who lived on the Russian Plain 5-6 thousand years ago.

I am a true Aryan!!!

[Nikolay Shestakov]

“For the last three hundred years, the Western world and its “centers” of control have been leading the planet: Rome, London and Washington.” - the author says in his opus. Don't mess with my ribs, or they'll pop out of my ribcage. London may have had a leading position in the world. The city of Washington was founded in 1791 and became the capital of the United States in 1800. that is, 200-odd years ago. And what global influence did the United States have in the 19th century? None. And Rome in three hundred years? None. The Vatican was even more important than Rome.

[venaya]

Probably the author has not yet mentioned Amsterdam with its “Bank of Holland”, and it is even older than London. The Vatican was founded as a state in 1929, before that God knows where it was, they write that in France, where according to legend the Bible was written, there is such a thing. But London with its “Bank of England” has definitely ruled the World for 300 years and none other than the Vatican helps him in this, no matter where he is geographically located. So I think that the author in his article is right in almost everything, it’s in vain that you’re persecuting him here, it’s not good, it’s not humane ..

[samarin1969]

1) Author, why “strengthen” the Russians? This will make us no worse and no better.
According to the official historical and cultural standard: by the 3th century, the Eastern Slavs really began to acquire their originality.; the common Aryan antiquity of the Slavs, Balts and Germans 4-XNUMX thousand years ago is a fact of an ordinary school textbook.
2) I wouldn’t be surprised if the ethnogenesis of the Slavs is indeed deliberately distorted. There was a very powerful folk culture and developed language for the “swamp-forest” glades, Drevlyans, Dryagovichi, etc. It seems that the arrival of Rurik is simply the end of a centuries-old era... But where do such details about Hyperborea come from?!

p.s. Alexander, if you find the library of Ivan the Great, you will immortalize your name.

[venaya]

Quote: samarin1969

Author, why “strengthen” the Russians?

I don’t understand “to make old” in what sense, in the sense of different from a school textbook or something? But spoiling your brains with phantom “stolen” devices is really normal. Maybe you should just finally stop lying to everyone and say what is known for sure today, and then the student or soldier himself will figure out to what level of detail he will be interested in delving into this topic. Perhaps it is not worth putting everyone under the same brush, relying only on the clearly degenerate course of the school curriculum. Or should everyone remain complete idiots or something? I don’t know, it somehow offends me when people blatantly lie while knowing the truth. So what is there to “strengthen” or “cut off” the past, is it really impossible to be at least a little more honest and simply value your honor? That's the question...

[Nick Russ]

An article from the genre about ancient Ukrainians who dug up the Black Sea :-)

[Nick Russ]

Under the title, the picture is practically identical to the hagiographic icon, “Reverend Seraphim of Sarov and the Bear.” They can’t come up with anything of their own. :-)

[lexx domainus]

If you consider that before baptism, Rus' had its own calendar, and it was the 8th millennium, I think that my ancestors appeared before the birth of the Jewish progenitors Adam and Eve, and their children had to take spouses from other tribes, or reproduce by encest. I want to say that the Bible is not the history of my ancestors. The history of my ancestors is the Vedas

[andrew42]

And mine too. Therefore, the Law is not a decree for us, but the Truth. And Faith is not an unsubstantiated admiration for dogma, but a system of moral values ​​and knowledge.

[andrew42]

Such historians are funny, by analogy with the program “These Funny Animals”. In Rus' there was a chronology “from the creation of the world”, it lasted right up to Peter, but the Russians had no ancestors then! Who then counted these millennia? Apparently, out of nothing to do, written materials were translated in long numbers.

[kig]

What can you think - the nationality is indicated in the passport. And the whole world thinks that if you are from Russia, then you are Russian.

[Misha Smirnov]

Yes, you don’t understand. In the 2s, the FSB was caught committing terrorist attacks, remember? Since then they have been pushed to the margins. Then they committed XNUMX wars in Donetsk and Syria where they loyally shot the Reds. And then they attacked and took Putin. Whoever takes him, he chats. So he talks FSB nonsense about how good it is to live without pensions, that the Russians are badasses and everything else.

[tezey]

Recently, all sorts of pseudo-historians have sprung up like uncut dogs. A distinctive feature of this kind of writers is complete confidence in their fictions and complete disregard for scientific data. Apparently troubled times are caused by a lack of education or simply rampant imagination. Therefore, it is better for the author to write in the genre of alternative fiction, and not on historical topics.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Samsonov seems confident that Adam and Eve are his great-great-great grandparents in the direct line.

[January]

As I understand it, the proto-Russians carried out research and prepared design documentation for the proto-Russians’ construction of the Egyptian pyramids and the digging of the Black Sea...

[Campanella]

. Putin’s very frivolous statement speaks of his erudition and education, to put it mildly. It's not the president's place to judge things he doesn't understand. What is he? A historian? An archaeologist? Peskov reported to him, and he is happy to repeat nonsense!

[andrew42]

From conference to conference, Putin reveals more and more pearls, revealing that there are not always enough stars in the sky. At one of the previous conferences he declared “there will be no return to the Soviet Union,” and for that, thanks (God forbid) to him at least for his frankness. This time “no Russians until the 9th century” - you have nothing to be proud of your ancestors, you are not Franks, not Goths, not highly cultured Romans. I learned about ideology at the level of a 5th grader in a Soviet school: “What is the state ideology? - Patriotism!” If only his assistants had briefly read L. Gumilyov or someone else, otherwise comrades don’t know that states are formed and maintained on the basis of state religion or ideology, and not on the basis of business plans of “strong owners.” Of course, religion or ideology is also not a “foundation”; they are divided depending on the value system of the state-forming ethnic group, but as the “1st floor” these manuals work just like the state. clamp. Ideology - patriotism! Yeah... really. Likewise, Hitler, Goering, Goebbels were patriots of the Reich, but for some reason this did not suit us, from the word “at all”.

[ccsr]

Author:
Alexander Samsonov

At the same time, Putin raised the topic of the origins of the Russian people: “Who are the Russians? There were practically no Russians until the XNUMXth century; it (the Russian people. – Author) was gradually formed from many ethnic groups.”

This once again proved that in the USSR they trained humanists in universities in a lousy way, and they still cannot study and understand the history of their Fatherland. That’s why the USSR collapsed, when humanists forced out a lot of technocrats, which led to the loss of operational control of the country’s economy, which is why problems began among the population.

[andrew42]

Oh well. Did undertrained humanists destroy the USSR? - The USSR was destroyed by those who are good at counting money, and only in their own pockets, and believe that this is more than enough. These are the ones who really destroyed the USSR - “technocrats” or “monetarists”, whatever you want to call them, it doesn’t get any sweeter. And humanitarians have always been terrible at counting money.

[ccsr]

Quote: andrew42

Oh well. Did undertrained humanists destroy the USSR?

And who were Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze by education and work profile?

Quote: andrew42

And humanitarians have always been terrible at counting money.

There is no arguing here - that’s why they had to be driven out with a filthy broom, as Comrade Stalin did when he appointed Zasyadko as Minister of the Coal Industry.

[Connor MacLeod]

Well, who brought the Internet to ward number 6? Which of you has nothing to do? I said that the patient needs rest, don’t you see for yourself what condition he is in?

But seriously, the author, how long can you churn out all this pseudo-historical nonsense? Do you release such pearls almost every two days? Aren't you tired of writing all this trash? What is Hyperborea? What is the 6 thousand year old civilization in the North? The question of the origin and settlement of the Indo-European peoples has been studied far and wide. I recommend that you spend a few hours of your precious time and familiarize yourself with the conclusions of modern historical science based on data from archaeology, genetics and linguistics, etc., etc.

Stop making up fairy tales already!

[andrew42]

Fairy tales are not made up, they are TELLED. They compose precisely “the conclusions of modern historical science,” and not only modern ones. Do you want to climb “the trees of the Drevlyans”? - so forward and with a song, or to the MacLeod mountaineers in their stone huts. There’s no need to drag others into this, we’ll figure it out ourselves. Personally, I am more satisfied with Hyperborea than the Garden of Eden. You don’t need someone else’s tree, don’t touch mine.

[Connor MacLeod]

Exactly the opposite. Unlike you dolboslavs, historical science does not impose anything on anyone, but simply collects and compares facts, leaves them in the public domain and provides the right to agree or disagree with its conclusions. It is precisely the idiots who do not tolerate dissent and are always very categorical in their pseudoscientific speculations based not on scientific facts, but on the fruits of their sick imagination. Please note, for example, although I am very knowledgeable in matters of history, I do not publish on VO Review and do not impose my point of view, unlike the author of this article, Dolboslav, who releases such “masterpieces” every other day.

[Mikhail Danilov]

“Involuntarily raised the topic” - nooo, not involuntarily, but strictly purposefully, in all positions, starting gradually, on the sly, methodically, they hammer into people’s heads that they are NOBODY, and the hour is not far off when they will declare that everything in this territory belongs the civilized world community, the so-called. “Western partners” and not Russians, who actually do not exist and never have existed.

[Doliva63]

The article is nonsense. Although, of course, Putin distorts things a little to make his anti-Sovietism look more logical.

[Molot1979]

Somehow, recently the resource has finally descended into a sad city of all-disaster and a gathering of inadequate freaks like Samsonov. Sasha, write about the First World War already. And leave the Hyperboreans, Aryans and other Atlanteans alone. Or bother with at least some scientific evidence. Your "mom's clan!" completely insufficient.

[13alex13]

Stomping in front, “sticking” your head far back... is ineffective. Look at how we are being inserted at the moment and what our actual actions are xchel.moy.su
Regards

[Operator]

Quote: Ingvar 72

several times I came across ancestors of Jewish origin who converted to Christianity and lived in villages

Can you give an example?

[korriphila]

No, I have nothing against the antiquity of the “Russians”, it greatly flatters my self-esteem and lulls my mind... But! The mind sometimes wakes up and starts itching in the most indecent places! So, point by point.
1. Where are the material monuments of the great civilization of the “Rus”? There are monuments to the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc., etc., etc. Where are the Russian pyramids?
2. If our ancestors even inhabited the north of Italy, not to mention the Chukhon lands, then how did it happen that the “Russians” were driven out from everywhere by the “locals” and driven all the way to the frozen north? Somehow our ancestors were not very heroic... And then again, wow!, all the way to Alaska.
3. In general, even these two points are enough...

[venaya]

Quote: korriphila

The mind sometimes wakes up... point by point.
1. Where are the material monuments of the great civilization of the “Rus”? There are monuments to the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc., etc., etc. Where are the Russian pyramids?

You are asking interesting questions here .. And about the mind .. For some reason, all the monuments that I know so far are necessarily connected with the “Rus” (the term does not have much meaning). Let's start with Rome: Rome was founded by some clearly Russian-speaking "et Rus" (Latin term), they called themselves Slovenes or Rasen, the same self-name among the Rus throughout Rus' and even Siberia. Further: “ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans” - What is this: “Ancient Greeks lived in ancient Greece”??? Well, this is an anecdote, for the first time a certain “Greece” appears in 1821, since they never called themselves “Greeks” and do not call themselves but write frankly in a “priestly” language and their writing is also priestly and not “Greek” . The alphabet was taken partly from the Pelasgians and coincides with the pre-Cyrillic Proto-Russian alphabet, if this is interesting, there is already a lot of information on this subject. "Where are the Russian pyramids?" - Aren’t there Russian pyramids in China? So they are three times higher than the Egyptian ones, and the Egyptian pharaohs themselves, due to the genetics of something, flew there from the Russian Plain. Is it really worth looking into? And in the north of Italy, back in the XNUMXth century in the province of Veneto they spoke a dialect of Russian, the Venetian language, a late dialect of “et Russian”. Is this really not familiar? Further: “again, wow!, all the way to Alaska” - Why so small? On the beach in Brighton Beach they literally made stones with the faces of Russian Gods, and for some reason the tribe of “Indians” in the Hudson region by their self-name sounds like Krivichi, but that’s what Latvians still call the Rus. Have you been interested in these questions at all, why blame the author like this out of the blue? You see, if these questions are of interest, then getting information on this subject is no longer difficult. And now I have a question: Why weren’t you interested in all this before? Water does not flow under a lying stone, and the fact that it is already necessary to look for Russians in Moscow is the answer to the question: where have they gone? And they already say that Moscow was built by Allah..

[swp]

The more you learn, the more surprised you become - why is there no response to Western propaganda? So our entire financial elite falls under the Europeans and the pros.... Where can we go? I want to eat....

[Edmond dantes]

What’s interesting to me is that if wild tribes lived on our territory, why neither the Greeks nor the Romans captured our territories. In ancient history, as far as I remember, there is no mention of campaigns in our direction at all. In my opinion this is strange. Please don't kick me for knowing the history of antiquity

[Yuri Suvorov]

The Varangians captured and began to rule Russia.

[Yuri Suvorov]

Russians are a people created by Russian princes. Russian princes united different tribes and peoples into a single state of Russia. Russian princes owned Russian lands on which the Russian people were formed from Slavic tribes.

[Georgiy]

Author, you somehow perceive everything one-sidedly and overly emotionally, and by and large you respond to your own indignation. I myself do not believe official history, but let’s say you are the head of a state in which there is an established version of history, but at the same time you assume that this version is not true or is only partially true, will you speak against your state at a press conference? And at the very moment when you are criticizing another state for rewriting history?
And again, maybe the GDP did not contradict your position, declaring that there was no Russian people until the XNUMXth century, maybe it was the people of the Scythians, or the Hyperboreans, or the Tartars, or even called themselves children of the world, but in the XNUMXth century what something went wrong and we became Russian.
By the way, in remote villages of Siberia, I heard that Rus' is sunlight (daylight).

[AGV Pagan]

President, it would be better not to deal with the history of the country, but with the internal politics of this country...

[ABM]

Slavs lived - how to distinguish them?

[faterdom]

What the past is will always remain incompletely explored.
Who would say what kind of future we are shaping? Why do we call our enemies partners, why do we chew their lies about Katyn and the like in our magazines and television programs?

[1970mk]

Oh, I can’t....see the title...the picture....and it’s immediately clear that Samsonov’s next nonsense is not worth reading))) I’m tired of laughing..

[vetv]

https://www.rsl.ru/ru/events/afisha/lections/zolotaya-orda-2
Russian State Library together with the Foundation for the Support and Development of Scientific and Cultural Programs /Vadim Vintserovich Trepavlov/
I recommend listening to the end. Perhaps something will become clearer in the history of Rus'.

[Alaric]

And who allows outright pseudoscience to be published here?