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On the issue of "unpretentiousness" ...

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I don’t really like to write, and, frankly, I often don’t have enough time, but somehow I caught one of the comments: when commenting on an article about the T-64 tank, he called him “unpretentious”.


T-64 in the GDR, 1980-e


A little background. End of 80's. I am a lieutenant, a graduate of the Kharkov Guards Tank, was assigned to the GSVG. Who does not know - this is how our troops were called in the territory of part of Germany - the GDR.

It just so happened that after a series of distributions he ended up in the 221st Guards Separate Regiment of Covering the Border, which was armed with Tanks T-64AM. My battalion was "courtier", as it was located with the regiment headquarters in a military town near the city of Ludwigslust. In the future, the reader will understand what does “courtiness” have to do with it ...

But back to the "unpretentiousness", especially since I will lead the story from the point of view of the observer. Why an observer? Yes, because the main hero of my story will not be me, but “one of the legends” of my battalion, the deputy commander of a tank company for armament is a senior lieutenant. Let's call him Vadim by the name of Yadritsev.

Vadim was really a legend. A cool specialist who has studied T-64 not only theoretically, but more importantly, practically. He knew how to disassemble and repair the 5TDF engine in field conditions! Believe me, this is a very difficult task, since such work is not even negotiated by the manufacturer, only in the army rem. workshops, and here in the open field, in a linear company ... In short, he was very much appreciated. And he very often helped everyone who was suddenly confused by the T-64 tank, and his advice was always accurate, to the point and, most importantly, effective.

All the “troubles” at Vadim began after one of his business trips to the tank repair plant in Kekhmeizer, from where he brought a new and, most importantly, “unrecorded” 5TDF engine. The value of this acquisition was difficult to overestimate, since it was rare that the battalion’s exit to the exercises ended without engine breakdowns, and its cost was considerable, and cash deductions for unscheduled repairs were not uncommon. So having an engine in stock is a dream of many T-64 unit commanders. And since it was impossible to just bring and hide the engine, there were a lot of witnesses, and the deputy learned about such a "profit" very quickly. commander for the regiment and the beginning. armored service regiment, and they felt that not according to the rank of a company to possess such "wealth" and began, so to say, a campaign of "forced voluntary surrender." Officially, they did not want to act, as they perfectly understood that any official action could have many negative consequences - first of all against themselves.

Here it is, the negative side of the "court" position, all the time "in front of and within walking distance." Vadim's company began to "spread rot", especially she got it because one of the tanks of the combat training group was "gasping", but before the overhaul he was oh how far, and his engine "wanted the best", despite any »Vadim. It was just that he managed to overheat him a couple of times, and as a result, from the category of “capricious” he became “unbearably capricious” ... And this “panzer” (so we called tanks in the German manner, let's call it “126”) became “a battlefield »For the new 5TDF engine.

The stages of this battle are as follows. The NBTS began to plan "126" for all practical exercises on instructions from the ZVK regiment, but for the absenteeism of the combat vehicle and the disruption of practical exercises at that time, no one stroked the head, but "removed the hair along with the head and shoulder straps ..." So Vadim had two prospects: agree that the “unrecorded” engine is the regiment's possession, or to ensure that 126 exits to classes. He decided to fight, and as a result he provided the entire personnel of the regiment, at this moment being in the park, with indelible impressions and a topic of conversation for about two hours.

The signal to start the "show" was the launch of the heater "126", which warmed up the engine of the tank for about half an hour. During this time, the “spectators” tried to occupy the best places in the “smoking-rooms”, as they were located not far from the parking of the training-combat group tanks.

What did we see? The disposition is as follows. Tank, T-64 - in its regular place, mech.-waters. presented with his head protruding from the hatch and devouring Vadim’s gaze, near the right steering wheel — Vadim himself, but there he only lingered for giving the command and, apparently, to take a break, since all the main time he was traveling from nose to stern of the tank for visual control the process of starting the engine. Behind Vadim, at a safe distance, the tank commander and gunner stood. On a safe one, that is, at a distance at which Vadim could not reach them immediately, otherwise they could “get nuts” for the sluggishness of the mech.-water, especially the tank commander ...

Well, here the heater “howls” its endless song, Vadim is interested in mech.-water by the thermometer readings, he is already near the stern, for some of his signs he is trying to assess the “warmth” and engine readiness for start. Well, like "the stars came together," comes the command: "Wilderness." The heater stalls, followed by a purge and the commander puts the lid back in place ... Everything, now comes the most interesting. By and large, many of you have seen frames of launching space rockets with a parallel translation of commands, almost the same thing happened here.

Command: "Pump", the buzz of the oil pump, until the answer mech.-water "Done", that is, the oil pressure in the engine system is normal ...

"Maslovprysk", you can hear the pneumatic valve is triggered, there is a portion of the oil entered the cylinder ...

Vadim: "Scrolling", mech.-water starter cranks several crankshafts, without fuel, so that the oil is more evenly distributed among the cylinders.

“Double maslovprysk” - with some interruption two claps of the pneumatic valve are audible.

“Start” - the engine starts to spin hard, the tank “tremble”, bluish smoke appears from the exhaust box, Vadim runs to the stern, trying to determine by the color of the smoke, if it starts, it will not start.

After receiving the visual data and making their assessment, returns to the "position".

The “Gaza” command follows, along which the mech.-water begins to intermittently press the pedal, throwing fuel into the cylinders, and here again, Maslovprysk - the engine roars a bit, thicker smoke comes out of the box, but the engine does not start.

Vadim in the stern, appreciated - to the wheel, commands: “Air”, the mechanic helps the starter “by air” ... The engine revives a little, but again it does not start, that's all, 45 seconds allowed to start the engine from the battery have expired, the command is “Stop” ...

Two minutes of rest and again: "Maslovprysk", "Start", smoke, shaking the tank, crazy eyes mech.-water, Vadim's broken voice, "shuttle run" nose-feed-nose, until the moment the engine, throwing out a huge black cloud , it started ... Although sometimes for this it was necessary to change the air cylinders for refilled ones, and to connect an extra pair of batteries to the tank network ...

But every school day “126”, “proudly” having raised its gun, in the thick gray smoke, that that “Varyag”, went to the training ground, where it was exploited all day, trying not to turn off the engine ...

Here it is, “unpretentious” “sixty-four” ...

PS And “the apple of discord”, alas, very soon came in handy ...
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  1. RussianRu
    RussianRu 11 November 2013 09: 05
    17
    An example of one overheated engine is no reason to doubt the unpretentiousness of the “sixty-four”.
    Unpretentiousness is a relative concept. Everything is relative.
    But, what pleases, our country has always been famous for "kulibins".
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 11 November 2013 14: 47
      10
      Quote: Russian
      An example of one overheated engine is no reason to doubt the unpretentiousness of the “sixty-four”.
      Unpretentiousness is a relative concept. Everything is relative.
      But, what pleases, our country has always been famous for "kulibins".

      to plant a leash would say nothing.
      This is an example of an entire country using the example of a single tank. You should live in those days, I would understand everything.
      the tank must have such an engine, and the motors can only be overheated intentionally intentionally.
  2. makarov
    makarov 11 November 2013 09: 14
    12
    I will also share my case. Late autumn, well, the diesel engine does not start - at least die. So, out of despair, I squelched a mug of gasoline into the suction manifold and started up at once. Only then I did not tell anyone about this method, so that I would not get a "wick"
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 11 November 2013 13: 51
      +3
      Yes, you are not Makarov, but the aforementioned Kulibin. :-)
    2. ka5280
      ka5280 11 November 2013 14: 43
      +2
      If there is an aerosol ether for the cold start of a diesel engine itself! Proven in practice =)
  3. combat_65
    combat_65 11 November 2013 09: 36
    14
    they poured gasoline into the inlet of a tortured training BMP periodically, such cars were called "drug addicts", without gasoline, then they did not live in any way
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 11 November 2013 11: 54
      -6
      The quality of diesel fuel was apparently such that even multi-fuel diesel engines went crazy.
      1. svp67
        11 November 2013 11: 57
        27
        Quote: carbofo
        The quality of diesel fuel was apparently such that even multi-fuel diesel engines went crazy.

        We can only DREAM about the quality of TOGO fuel, especially about the ARCTIC ...
        1. jjj
          jjj 13 November 2013 02: 06
          +2
          GOST 4749-49 and GOST 4749-73

          DP, DS, DZ, YES
  4. shurup
    shurup 11 November 2013 09: 36
    28
    Boring. In the cold it’s more fun - the audience doesn’t sit, but dance energetically with the artists.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 10: 33
      26
      Quote: shurup
      Boring. In the cold it’s more fun - the audience doesn’t sit, but dance energetically with the artists.

      Where does the frost come from in Germany ... There was -5, for the Germans there was a tragedy, I remember with what horror they looked at our soldiers running in such weather on a "physo", with a naked torso ... I think that at this moment they are once again understood the futility of trying to defeat us.
      And the "gaiety" was also enough, then, during the service in Primorye and the Urals, especially at the "last address" smile
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 11 November 2013 16: 00
        0
        This is not in Elani? Been there visiting a relative - a tankman! fellow
      2. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 11 November 2013 18: 08
        +1
        Yes, not -20-25 I remember a week or two stood, but damp. Apparently from the sea.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 07: 40
        +1
        I remember at the Magdeburg training ground in February, the RSP-10 was deployed, so we ran bare-top, there were + 10 degrees ... fellow
  5. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 11 November 2013 10: 35
    +8
    We have an artillery regiment in the reconnaissance battery, in the winter the process of reviving the equipment looked like this: first, the whole l / s grabs crowbars and, inserting them into the tracks of the ARC "Lynx" (based on MTLBU), pushes the mighty iron out of the box, simultaneously launching it from the "pusher" ... After that, the revived ARC clings to the cables and starts in turn two GAZ-66 and 5 UAZ loaves. Last but not least, the SNAR (based on the BMP 1) is started by the same method, and everyone builds up together in a column and goes where ordered. Everything was worked out so brutally that they managed to overlap the deployment standards, although in the field and in the cold they tried not to turn off the ARK engine at all. This was in 1985. in Kaliningrad. military unit 57321.
  6. Skorobogatov_P
    Skorobogatov_P 11 November 2013 10: 44
    23
    I will introduce myself right away - political officer. Because I foresee the reaction of a fair number of readers to my words. But I am not ashamed of my profession - the path from soldier to lieutenant colonel was successful. It has been sick for decades to hear and read this saga about "shitty vacuum cleaner" and "cool bandages". This is just one of the main entertainments of our tankers. But only if you read, unfortunately, the few recollections of soldiers and sergeants about the T-64, you get the impression of it as a machine more convenient for operation. So I, as a former driver of the T-62, immediately liked this property of the new tank. Of course, it was more complicated than the good old "bandages", but no one will change "Zhiguli" to M-1, since they are more complicated. Yes, "lorry" is much more unpretentious than KaMaz, but no one comes back to it! The complexity of the T-64 was the need to operate it graciously. Ato got used to it - the engine does not start - we will start from the pusher. The main rule of driving the T-64 is - more burning - less holes. And then we complain about the shitty engine and weak torsion bars. The example of the author of the post is very indicative - but I just would like to see how the T-55 or T-62 were launched in this case. They just wouldn't be started. So - would try a couple of times and that's it. Why suffer. And in general - our tankers were very lucky - they did not deal with either American or British tanks. And the T-64, according to the Germans, corresponded to the level of "Leopard" 1. And this is the best western tank, about the criterion of reliability.
    1. RussianRu
      RussianRu 11 November 2013 10: 49
      +8
      I completely agree with you. There are no bad cars, there are negligent drivers. The human factor, however.
    2. svp67
      11 November 2013 11: 16
      +7
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      And the T-64, according to the Germans, corresponded to the level of "Leopard" 1. And this is the best western tank, about the criterion of reliability.

      In terms of its performance, it is nevertheless closer to the English "Chieftain", which also has a "two-stroke ..."
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      The complexity of the T-64 was the need to grammatically operate it. Ato used to - the engine does not start - start with the pusher.

      This is the simplest, and not the right solution, because in this case the engine gets "kaput" 10 times faster, but from my story it is clear that even with the "super capricious" engine "126" such attempts were not made, they tried to "revive" "in a natural way, this particularly applies to the" addiction "of the engine. In each company, the deputy engineer had a couple of vials of "ether", but this was also AT THE EXTREME CASE, when the situation did not allow for the loss of time - for example, when the alarm was raised, when the regiment "flew" out of the park for half an hour, often in spite of various fences and barriers - the main thing is to get out and not leave the equipment in the park, as targets are under attack ... It was less than 30 km to the border with the Federal Republic of Germany, and even at one time on the way to the park there was a poster "Warrior! Remember! You are in the zone of action enemy artillery. " Then he was removed to the "thaw", but in vain, it somehow mobilized, and the soldiers loved to be photographed with him, for the demobilization album ...
    3. svp67
      11 November 2013 11: 18
      +7
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      A very illustrative example is the author of the post - but I just wanted to see how they would launch the T-55 or T-62 in this case.

      I had a great fortune to serve on these machines in Primorye, you know in terms of reliability - they are certainly 300% percent better than T64, but in terms of combat effectiveness, there isn’t even much to argue, although 100 mm TP T55 is more accurate than any praise ...
    4. Lesnik
      Lesnik 11 November 2013 17: 11
      +3
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      And in general - our tankers were very lucky - they did not deal with either American or British tanks. And the T-64, according to the Germans, corresponded to the level of "Leopard" 1. And this is the best western tank, about the criterion of reliability.

      The maintainability of Soviet military equipment, whether it was Shishiga or Mtleb (tank), has always surprised me.
      In order to finally kill Soviet equipment, it was necessary to try very hard wink
  7. major071
    major071 11 November 2013 11: 14
    14
    He drove a T-64, I personally liked the tank, especially since this is the first tank, for the levers of which I sat in 1989. Then there were the T-72 and T-80. But I remember driving the T-62 with horror. Although as anyone. We had a company commander, Major Kirpichenok (I can't remember his name and patronymic already), an Afghan, so he called the T-62 "Swallow" and did not like it terribly when the 62nd was disparaged. With proper operation, any tank in the right hands will become a formidable weapon.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 11: 26
      +8
      Quote: major071
      With proper operation, any tank in capable hands will become a formidable weapon.

      I agree 100% ...
      But honestly, in relation to the T64, I cannot call the tank "unpretentious", if at a temperature of +5, in order to avoid increased engine wear and to ensure a quick start, it was necessary to "warm up" the engine with a heater ... Well, what kind of "unpretentiousness" we are talking about ...
  8. Algor73
    Algor73 11 November 2013 11: 31
    +3
    The T-64 was the first main tank. At first, there were problems with the engine. But he was completely new. The transition from the familiar to the unusual is always perceived ambiguously. And if you recall who they took in the tank crews (one of us graduated from a vocational school for a tractor driver, he joined the army as a tank crew, unable to read plainly, read in syllables). If you follow the principle that is easier, then you need to stay somewhere in the mid-60s at least.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 11: 34
      +5
      Quote: Algor73
      If you follow the principle that is easier, then you need to stay somewhere in the mid-60s at least.

      I disagree radically. The GTE tank engine is several orders of magnitude more difficult, but serving on tanks with GTE is several times easier, the "complexity" may still be "reasonable ..."
      By the way, the T64 can also be a worthy example, in terms of fire capabilities, it is more complex than the T72, but easier to learn and operate ...
      1. bask
        bask 13 November 2013 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        I do not agree at the root. GTE tank engine is several orders of magnitude more complicated

        SVP67, an excellent article, like a memory of COMMUNISM that we did not notice.
        I served in Ashuluk in 86-88, at the training ground. And for us, the PGW was something beyond the reach of the comic.
        Although we came to the shooting.

        Now on the topic, the T-64 was the first main tank. The 5TDF boxer engine was never brought to the reliability of the V-shaped, V-46.
        But I think the future for MBT is still for the GTE.
  9. sapran
    sapran 11 November 2013 11: 33
    0
    an interesting example of operating a dead engine ... if only I would ask the author a question regarding the modification of tanks in part, or how the rumor cuts T-64AM in fact it was in what year and which engine stood on it? !!!
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 11: 40
      0
      Quote: sapran
      cuts the T-64AM

      This is a T64A after modernization, mainly relating to:
      - strengthening of the reservation, due to welding of an additional sheet of armor,
      - changing the sighting complex, instead of the "native" sight for the T64A with an optical rangefinder, a TPD-1K was installed, with a laser rangefinder and its subsystems ...
      Quote: sapran
      what year was it and what engine was standing on it?

      In 1988, the 5TDF engine, for the most part new "Kharkov", less often overhauled, but also "Kharkov"
      1. sapran
        sapran 11 November 2013 11: 46
        0
        strange ... I think that the AM index is assigned to a modification with a 6TD engine released in a limited series and at the 115 plant in 1982-85, the total number did not exceed 500 pieces.
        1. svp67
          11 November 2013 11: 49
          0
          Quote: sapran
          115 factory work 1982-85, the total number did not sag 500 pieces.

          We had such in our school, and by the way, this tank was almost never used by the troops - the Chuguev division, since the main task was precisely to "run in" the 6TD. By the way, in our school there were also "seven-wheel" T64s and it was with 6TD
          1. sapran
            sapran 11 November 2013 11: 59
            +1
            It was with such people that I had a chance to talk after 10 years, and they are still running around (in my heart there is a warm hope that similar work will be carried out with the rest of the machines). And I would take a master class from your Kulibin, since I consider it almost unrealistic to repair "on my knees" ...
            1. svp67
              11 November 2013 12: 11
              +3
              Quote: sapran
              And I would take a master class from your Kulibin, since I consider it almost unrealistic to repair "on my knees" ...

              I also say "Legend". He really knew how to do it, he was a gifted person ... Not only he knew how to do it, but he organized everything skillfully, I especially liked how he organized the "cleanliness" of the place of work ...
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 11 November 2013 13: 30
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                I also say "Legend". He really knew how to do it, he was a gifted person ...

                I read with a HUGE INTEREST.
                There were legends about the start of the T-64. A multi-mode launch (up to "tie" inclusive) appeared on the T-72 exclusively thanks to the experience of the T-64.
                Here would be more such stories and memories ...
                And in general, people are special.
                laughing

                Thank you, Sergey !!!
                good
                1. svp67
                  11 November 2013 13: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Thank you, Sergey !!!

                  Alex hi
                  Yes, it would be for what, from you "got infected". By the way, it looks like we need to write a sequel ...
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 11 November 2013 13: 49
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    from you "got infected"

                    winked repeat
                    Quote: svp67
                    By the way, it seems necessary to write a sequel ...

                    yes

                    I’ll also look, there were somewhere old stories. Maybe others will get infected, people will catch up. A good thing, after all.
                    There are not enough stories about army experience or stories on the site.
                    1. Black Colonel
                      Black Colonel 14 November 2013 16: 11
                      0
                      [i] T [[/ i] i] I’ll look, there were somewhere old stories. Maybe others will get infected, people will catch up. A good thing, after all.
                      Stories about army experience or stories on the site are somehow not enough. [/ I]
                      You can read something in the "Military Archive" section of the "Soldier's Tales" subsection. There are many interesting and funny things. good
                2. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 13 November 2013 13: 29
                  0
                  And in general, people are special.


                  So I see, the position of this "legend", judging by his official duties, is probably the deputy commander of a tank company for the technical part, and not the "deputy company commander in armament."
                  And the deputy commander of the regiment on the technical side is the deputy commander of the regiment, and not the deputy commander of the regiment for armament.
                  At least until the beginning of the 80s, in tank regiments, these posts were called.
            2. ka5280
              ka5280 11 November 2013 14: 47
              0
              Then I recommend to you in the merchant fleet, on an excursion, there is a repair on the knee, offensive process.
              1. biznaw
                biznaw 11 November 2013 21: 52
                +2
                Or to timber carriers. The knocking KamAZ engine removed, disassembled, assembled in the cold, sheltered from the wind only with plastic wrap - a commonplace.
  10. Bogranz
    Bogranz 11 November 2013 11: 47
    +3
    The conclusion from the article made this: first, the engine of the car was "killed" several times, and then this gave rise to consider it "bad".
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: Bograntz
      The conclusion from the article made this: first, the engine of the car was "killed" several times, and then this gave rise to consider it "bad".

      The conclusion is not entirely correct - first ask the question, why did you need an "unaccounted" engine at all? Sell ​​"on the side" there, yes, in those conditions, no one thought. And it is several times easier to "kill" the "TD" engine than other tank engines, it is enough that "not distilled" water is poured into the cooling system, there are no longer any "three-component" additives that will not help ...
  11. Bogranz
    Bogranz 11 November 2013 11: 47
    +1
    The conclusion from the article made this: first, the engine of the car was "killed" several times, and then this gave rise to consider it "bad".
  12. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 11 November 2013 12: 03
    +3
    Judge the unpretentiousness of the car by the ushannym instance?
    It's like a runner breaking his legs first, and then complaining that he is a bad runner.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 12: 12
      0
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      Judge the unpretentiousness of the car by the ushannym instance?

      This is the most striking example, other less vivid, but much more frequent, much more ...
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 11 November 2013 17: 48
        +5
        Don’t argue with people who are not familiar with two-stroke diesels with counter-moving pistons. We use 2D100 and 10D100 on diesel locomotives, it’s another miracle. I suffered in due time, the benefit was abandoned them.
        1. shishkin7676
          shishkin7676 14 February 2016 15: 14
          0
          5TDF comes from the German 1928 aviation diesel engine (U-86) after the war, we and the British put on tanks. By the way, B-2 aircraft at the beginning.
  13. sapran
    sapran 11 November 2013 12: 13
    +2
    I want to add on my own that recently, one of my classmates told how he checked the quality of maintenance carried out on tanks ...
    He collected three deputy technicians' mouths, asked a question about servicing air purifiers, received an affirmative answer that all events had everything cleaned up, the documentation (with almost two signatures) who had been put up for questioning, and almost without a hitch, the sibling recounted the sequence of actions ... and then the devil pulled it to approach the device in the car wash of the air ... in general, they checked they received the chemical powder from the chemists and when he saw the eyes of the ensign, he realized that he had asked this question in vain ...
    in general, out of three zampotechs, a combined crew and a demonstration lesson on how to maintain an air cleaner + radiators (so as not to lie to the future) turned out and they forgot about the "tampon" technique ...
  14. sapran
    sapran 11 November 2013 12: 24
    +3
    Examples like "hungry and cold" shatter the technique, I think everyone has a shaft. there is no need to go far here 1996 Cherkasko prepares a show for Kuchma in 110 "motor-hoofed" tank battalion battalion commander launches 64 which has been in the box since the withdrawal of the unit from Hungary ..
    An almost literal "reproduction" of your description is a bit simplified, but smeared toads and stains on only the whitewashed ceiling and walls of the box (got a bunch) :)
  15. Penek
    Penek 11 November 2013 13: 02
    12
    5 kopecks about the method of starting the diesel engine.
    Arriving at the duty station in Afghanistan, the first thing I saw next to the airfield was a KAMAZ convoy with logs bolted to the bumper. First thought: floating cars. No, it doesn't. Is there any firewood? No, diesel fuel is enough. It is incomprehensible.
    A week later, I observe the answer. In the company column (about 60-70 cars), all the batteries are either dead or sold. The workers are only at the company commander and in the technical closing car, which kicks the penultimate KAMAZ with a "wooden bumper" in the morning, it starts up, pushes the next, etc. .d. A few minutes later, rattling like a steam locomotive when starting off, the convoy comes into working order and is lined up for the march.
    KAMAZ was killed in 6-8 months of operation, but the Great Country sent new ones to replace those written off "for combat".
    Sorry for the offtopic.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 13: 07
      +6
      Quote: Penek
      5 kopecks about the method of starting the diesel engine.

      These are your stories - "priceless", and you "5 kopecks ..." This is a true story about the life of "legendary and invincible."
      Maybe for the younger generation it will be a "lesson", how NOT NECESSARY ...
      Although hard to believe.
    2. ebrd
      ebrd 11 November 2013 19: 23
      +4
      Quote: Penek
      5 kopecks about the method of starting the diesel engine.
      Arriving at the duty station in Afghanistan, the first thing I saw next to the airfield was a KAMAZ convoy with logs bolted to the bumper ..

      Yes, the logs on the bumpers of all cars were 40 OA, except for UAZs --- the reason was not the difficulties of starting up or problems with the battery ... 1) Features of traffic in the local conditions - traffic rules as such do not exist --- who has a stronger bumper - that’s right. remember the traffic in Kabul and other cities. 2) In a combat situation, a damaged car (which stopped due to a malfunction) immediately collided on the side of the road (ditch break) - when fired, the convoy stop is unacceptable. not hungry - tried to save people.
    3. biznaw
      biznaw 11 November 2013 21: 59
      +2
      Kamaz was killed not by the pusher’s factory, but by dust, the filter was often simply thrown away, at best, from frequent blowing from dust they became a sieve. Well, the oil level is also a little bit, starvation, fired liners. The engines overheated.
  16. Penek
    Penek 11 November 2013 13: 12
    +4
    The military wisdom - "Fear the cow in front, the horse in the back, and the military driver - from all sides" is true now.
    I apologize to all the worthy Drivers.
    1. svp67
      11 November 2013 13: 26
      +7
      Quote: Penek
      I apologize to all the worthy Drivers.
      In Germany, as a joke, there was a "German" saying. "Look - to the left, look - to the right, if there is a Russian" Ural ", look again - if there is a Russian KrAZ" wink
      1. flanker7
        flanker7 11 November 2013 22: 26
        +1
        The Germans themselves told us this proverb. In the mid-80s, this was very important for them. I have repeatedly witnessed how, when a column of T-80 tanks was moving, cars coming towards us stopped, the Germans got out of them, and waited for us to pass. Some of them also climbed over the roadside ditch, moving away from the "epitskntra" for a few more meters. Needless to say: this is not a KAMAZ tank, it will pass over and will not shudder ..
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 07: 59
        +2
        But they loved to comrade their trabands and Wartburgs to substitute! There the auto-support began earlier than our crooks thought! the roads are narrow, it’s easy to crumple, but for plastic trabanda it’s a kapets! say not a little our Group paid compensation! before any trip, instruction with a focus on IT was done wassat
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 11 November 2013 13: 41
    0
    To the author plus. It is written with a soul, precisely dosed with humor. Waiting for more hi
  18. msv
    msv 11 November 2013 14: 01
    0
    svp67

    What year did Kharkiv graduate, colleague?
  19. crest
    crest 11 November 2013 14: 06
    +5
    And I started up 55 from the shot, the air was zero, the battery died, the rear clutch lowered and wound up
  20. Motors1991
    Motors1991 11 November 2013 14: 43
    11
    I’m not a tanker, but I think my story will be in the subject. In 1982, after the institute, I was assigned to Konotop ATP. At that time there were more than 30 Kamazes in it, half of them were under repair, for which they were terribly disliked and contemptuously called ,, Tatar ,, I, as a young specialist, was thrown into these cars. I read the maintenance booklet and started asking, stupid ,, questions: What kind of oil is poured into the engine, the answer is: it’s distilled. I start reading the little book again, I don’t have such oil. to the warehouse, I find out that instead of M10g2K oil they fill in that lo. I got to bring, Kamaz, ,, Next, what you fill in with bridges, the answer is, “nigrol”, again into the little book, there is no such oil. Again I went to the director, got the Tsp15K to be brought in. Then I made sure that every car had spare fuel filters, as was the usual practice, if the filters get clogged with a screwdriver they just punched and the fuel went into the pump without cleaning. And the Kamaz trucks went. Compared to ZIL-64 or Maz, they require a more qualified attitude oya, over time it all comes.
    1. Penek
      Penek 11 November 2013 15: 15
      0
      "Guns are not cleaned with bricks!" It seems to be Lefty.
      Damn, where is the copyright on the clave?
  21. falcon
    falcon 11 November 2013 14: 51
    +1
    Many thanks to the author for the article! I remembered my lieutenant years. But such stories are necessary
    to collect and store - in them the experience of "invincible and legendary", what many of us have become
    forget. In those days it was said that a week after receiving the appropriate order,
    our tanks will stand on the English Channel. Then I did not believe, now I am convinced of this!
  22. Mechvod T-64
    Mechvod T-64 11 November 2013 15: 28
    +6
    A year and a half, 1982-83, rammed in a T-64B, in a training company. The vehicles were from a combat training group. They chased them both in the tail and in the mane! For months, they stuck out on the headmistress and tank center with practically no maintenance. Well, they didn't do anything at all! We drove, shot, day after day ... Both in winter and in summer. Of the routine work, I strongly remember the removal and installation of the battery for recharging (which is still a job for a mechanic), and washing the air filter. Also a funny event. And they didn't do anything else with the cars ... Well, of course, they changed the oil, the antifreeze was there. And everything seems ... They did not torture us with refusals! Now, after so many years, I am reading reviews about the operation of "sixty-fours", and I think. Maybe we were very lucky with the cars? And the others don't? Well, like with "Zhiguli" ...)) One is rolling, the other is lying under the car ... I don't know.
    With regard to operating experience. I didn't have it at all after training. Basically! Since he was trained on "floats", PT-76. Well, and the BTR-50PU on its base ... It was Ostra, if that! wink And imagine, the first time I got behind the arms of the T-64, moreover, the command vehicle, on alert !!! How many did not ask the commanders to give at least once a ride for review, all to no purpose. Everyone was preparing for grandiose teachings, and it was clearly not up to me. Like, you’ll learn along the way ... They also appointed a battalion commander! Here is such an army ... in short, all in parallel! laughing It was only later that I asked for a training company, when after the first trip I simply fell in love with this tank! After the "swimmer" it was just a luxurious carriage, a limousine! We said "regimental Seagull" ...)) And I really studied the car during the service. It was also possible to change the engine, under the guidance of representatives of the KMDBTM, and to change the roller in an open field. The engine on underwater driving was ditched by a young soldier. Got a drink of the outboard water ... Well, and the skating rink ... The needle bearing is jammed there. Only after that, the zampotekh forced the rollers of all the cars in the UBG to be screwed!
    Reliable, in short, we had a technique. Or really, very lucky with the party ... Tanks, in the sense ...))
  23. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 11 November 2013 16: 37
    +2
    If everything counts on a fool, it’s not a weapon that turns out to be, but a lumpy club that you must also be able to use. The weapon generally does not tolerate amateurs and sluts.
  24. Djozz
    Djozz 11 November 2013 17: 03
    +1
    Worse than a sailor with a brush, only a lieutenant with a soldering iron! If desired, you can break the glass x ...!
  25. makarov
    makarov 11 November 2013 19: 05
    0
    Quote: Tyumen
    Yes, you are not Makarov, but the aforementioned Kulibin. :-)

    SW Andrew! You are somewhat mistaken. Where am I to the sibolapoma. It’s just that sometimes I’m fooling around because of the simplicity of my soul.
  26. Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 11 November 2013 21: 30
    0
    honestly understood a little, but really amusing)))
  27. voliador
    voliador 11 November 2013 22: 41
    0
    Indeed, most often the failure of a technique is due to the "crooked" hands that serve it.
  28. zub46
    zub46 11 November 2013 23: 01
    15
    Have you guys paid attention to Vadim, the hero of the story? A fan of his craft. I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times there were many of them. They served with soul. I probably shaken you with my "memoir" memories, but again I can't resist - I'll remember right now! When he served as an urgent (1968-70) - such characters seemed in the order of things, as it should be. Airborne forces, no technology and never perfect. All on yourself. After the drop, the first three days - continuous movement, withdrawal from the landing site. In summer, on the first day, 70-90 km, depending on the profile of the terrain, on the second day - 50-60, on the third 30-35 km. In winter, skiing, respectively, the first - up to 120, the second - 90, the third day - up to 40-50 km. I and my comrades additionally had the "luck" to carry on homemade skis SPG-9. At the end of the second day, people were given phenamine, or as it is correctly called there (a variant of modern ecstasy), which allows them to do without sleep. But that's not what I mean. We, twenty-year-old boys, selected by the military enlistment offices with special care for our health, were somehow drawn into such regimes. Well, the third time, suppose. But we were driven by officers, for whom such loads were a constant routine. And among them there were uncles in the rank of lieutenant colonel (battalion commanders). How did they endure, what did they serve? In what condition were their joints, vertebrae, and other spleens in the reserve? And what about "sound and healthy" sleep in the snow in sweaty clothes? In difficult field conditions, people quickly converge. But from none of them have I ever heard malicious grumbling about the service, regret about the chosen path in life. Are they fans or saints?
    We were, nevertheless, a little sorry. Sending along the route in winter, we made sure that the night temperatures during this period did not drop below 20 degrees (they still came with frostbite around the hands - "bracelets" and on the cheekbones), organized a team to buy lard. Lard in the cold works better through frozen dry rations. For some reason, they did not use dry alcohol, it is forbidden to make fires. And the dry ration for only three days, you can't take it on yourself anymore, but "walk" for 7-10 days for sure.
    Once on the route in winter, during a sudden thaw, we met the D-30 division on the Zil-157. They drove "home" on the way with us. They, b ...., had their own kitchen on a trailer! After cooking, warm water with the aroma of cabbage soup is poured into the boiler. We, who had not seen a hot day for 8, were given this warm water, put in the back, We drove and slept. We drove 40 kilometers, what bliss. Our commanders, too, were also asleep asleep. That Army was supported by them.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 11 November 2013 23: 34
      0
      Quote: zub46
      I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times there were many of them. Served with a soul.

      Yes Sergey, your namesake (svp67) posted great memories.
      And I absolutely agree with you - there were many who served with the SOUL.

      Quote: zub46
      Fat in the cold works better through frozen dry land.

      yes
      Verified.
  29. byrnas
    byrnas 11 November 2013 23: 45
    +1
    Greetings to the author, I am also a graduate of the HGVTKU and also served on T-64, but only on T-64B.
    I will say this, the car has very badly recommended itself in the army, especially this long-suffering 5TDF, from the regiment every now and then there were complaints about the manufacturer, and the breeders of Kharkiv did not climb out of the troops. At the new location, the service got on the T-72, heaven and earth, except that the Ministry of Health will be more reliable AZ.
    Looking at the photo? What kind of scary boxes did you have? I understand so for textbooks?
  30. pawel1961
    pawel1961 11 November 2013 23: 59
    -3
    how many specialists and everyone knows well
  31. valerei
    valerei 12 November 2013 00: 30
    0
    I am not a tanker, but a motorist. I especially liked the tank factory with a shot! Only a Russian tanker is capable of this! Overcoming all sorts of "huddles" - this is our life both in the army and in civilian life.
  32. Aeneas
    Aeneas 12 November 2013 00: 54
    +1
    so also start a cold dvigun T-64
  33. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 12 November 2013 11: 38
    +2
    It's a good article, and at one time I served for them. MV was preparing. The engine is resourceful, one of the main points was to maintain the temperature regime at high rpm. We called them "whistles". From a distance we could distinguish the mekhanov: shiny with oil and grimy - from 64, dusty - from XNUMX.
  34. AleFFAleFF
    AleFFAleFF 12 November 2013 22: 44
    +1
    one addition - the plant was in Kirchmezer.
    He lived there with his father during the unification period.
  35. v1lad
    v1lad April 2 2015 11: 02
    0
    Quote: Russian
    An example of one overheated engine is no reason to doubt unpretentiousness

    He served in the same regiment, only in the 1st battalion as a platoon, and then as a deputy technotech of the company in 2 battalions, so I remember this goner, it was almost like that, the machine was quite moody, 72 was much more reliable.
  36. Carib
    Carib April 2 2019 08: 23
    0
    I don’t remember exactly in winter 84 ... 85 in the GDR promised frosts below -25. Before leaving for the exercise, we were given double underwear and quilted pants and quilted jackets. It was easier for me in connection, the cars were not jammed. After the exercises at the formation, we were told that several dozen Germans froze at public transport stops. the buses did not arrive on schedule because could not deliver. So the Germans are sometimes "lucky". Dregin, Templin Division. The Templin Proving Ground, most likely.