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On the issue of "unpretentiousness" ... "Show" continues

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This is not to say that my previous article caused a flurry of discussions, but once again for me clearly showed that people who are not indifferent to stories tank Soviet troops are missing.


So. GSVG was preparing to defend their homeland - the USSR - in good faith. Classes, training, exercises - everything went on as usual. And my regiment very often “visited” at the Vuynsdorf training ground, practicing many tasks there, and we usually stayed there for a month and a half every six months.

We moved there and back to the RPD by the “railways” of the GDR. For which each time it was necessary to carry out the loading of tanks on railway platforms. And if at the test site it was done grandly and beautifully, then on the way back ... the “show” began. And every time. I will tell about the first thing I saw: the first impressions are brighter, and at that time I was still more “a spectator”, because only “old men” went to the “battle”, and the “youth” studied ...

The main characters of the "show" were faulty tanks, and there were enough of them each time. The worst was when the T64 turned into a “pillbox”, that is, the engine refused, and for various reasons it was not possible to replace it with a landfill. And there were two such cars at that time ... My platoon, thank God, did not suffer this fate, but an oil leak appeared on 157, one of the oil lines began to “ooze”, and in order to change it, it was necessary to remove the engine. Zampotekh battalion looked and decided that, of course, bad, but he will live to "home".

As a result, I turned out to be a senior column of “invalids”, that is, I was given the task to go out at the head of a column of four “defective” machines before the general column of the battalion and bring it to the loading waiting area. While I was collecting my "defective", two hitches with non-propelling tanks passed by me, straining with engines, and they went even earlier. The “collection” was interesting for me, two tanks opened for oil leaking, one was heated desperately, and the last one was the most interesting: it turned left only on even gears, to the right - on odd ones. He became my “commander”. Basically, my “invalid team” passed four kilometers to the district without any special “shocks”, the main thing was that they did not break the firewood, literally ... There I dispersed the cars and waited for the loading. I had free time, so I decided to look around. The station did not cause me special attention, we had bigger stations, and here we had two ways and one access road with a side and end ramp. The village was also small, twenty houses, but all are well maintained and clean. The largest building was a dairy, where my soldiers, who had not been here for the first time, “stitched”, bringing from there two filled with milk to the top of the AT-1 box, “friendship - Freundschaft” in action ...

Half an hour before the start of loading, when a suitable battalion column was already visible, the shunting diesel locomotive filed the platforms for loading. And then I began to notice that on the other side of the "glands" "local" began to gather, somehow even was surprised: that they did not see the tanks? But then it went. Company columns clearly approached the area and stopped. The crews were divided, the commanders and mechanics remained with the tanks, and the gunners of the guns, under the control of the vice-technologists, ran to the platforms and quickly began to lower and fix the sides, preparing the platforms for loading the tanks. And, what surprised me, having a narrower gauge, the German platforms made it possible to load two tanks on themselves, in the Union they were not “greedy”, one tank - one platform ...

Well, everything is ready, a short construction, bringing the order of loading and the distribution of "warm things", and started ... First came the combat-ready machines and "my" "disabled". And when he began to “remove” them from the parking lot, he suddenly noticed that after one of them a rather large oil stain remained on the ground, and there was a path along which some German was walking at that moment, he carefully looked at our tanks. , and it was obvious that he was interested and pleased. Noticing the oil stain, he drew my eyes with a shout and pointed to the stain and began to repeat “Kaput?”, “Kaput?” I studied English at school and at school, but I knew the meaning of this word well, so he tried to say understood. Well, let's not drop our Soviet pride, we had to make him a soothing gesture, and lifting a finger to the top to answer “Gut!” To which he heard in reply “Gut!?!?!?” And saw huge surprised eyes. Apparently, I have inflicted a serious psychological trauma on a person, eroding the boundaries of the notions of “good and bad” in the technical state of “panzers” ...

Well, the overwhelming mass of tanks plunged, the setting on the "mountain" brake and the locking of the turrets and cannons were checked, and the cannons were additionally fixed with cables. Four tanks, two "dead" and two "living" and BTS remained on the ramp, on the front sheet of which, the soldiers from the repair company had already fixed the drive wheel of the tank with a cable. And the main "presentation" began. The “dead” car was hooked on the front and back with a cross to the tank and the BTS and began to be pulled onto the platform. Sometimes it seemed that it seemed to hang in the air on the stretching of cables, but everything was done very carefully, slowly, but clearly. Here the tugboat moved from the extreme platform to the one you need, so the dead one crawled behind it. So quietly and neatly it is reached to the right place on the platform, then it is uncoupled from the front tank, and the BTS quietly draws it back. Then, after installing a pair of BTS spurs, the drive wheel fixed on the armor gently rests against the stern and pushes it forward, until the “Stop” signal. Here is another pair of spurs secured, and the BTS is fed back, dragging the tank along, again “Stop”, everything, the tank is submerged. The cables are unhooked, and the BTS famously goes to the side ramp, freeing up space for the next hitch ... Everything repeats itself again, with one exception, the BTS does not go anywhere, but also fastens on the platform. It is worth adding that all this is plentifully flavored with “running”, with a bunch of shouts of which only mate is well distinguished, and an unforgettable army entourage. And most importantly - a whole crowd of spectators, I never thought that so many people could live in two dozen two-story houses, apparently, people from other places also came to the dairy plant, there really were a lot of them. To my question: “What are they doing?” The company replied: “Yes, don't feed the Germans with bread, let me see the military equipment, and what else can they do, but here is such entertainment ...”

I decided to continue my story about the service on the T64, but not with the aim of denigrating this car, since it is dear to me as my first tank, but with the task to show that service in the tank forces is not a simple matter, and, in particular, for often having to quickly resolve issues that life puts before you. But, by the way, everything is like everywhere else, but with a “tank” bias.

Now, while printing these articles, I seem to have understood the full depth of the “design” of the appearance of the T72 tank. The T64 is a good and very interesting machine, by the way, made at a very high level, which you immediately understand when you get to know, for example, the T72, this is where minimalism is at the forefront, everything is simple, practical, without frills. But, alas, this machine was indeed very much ahead of its time, and the transition from such “dinosaurs” as Т55 and Т62 could not pass just like that, although by the time I started my service, of course, many issues have already been resolved, but ... but ... A lot of soldiers came to us from the countryside, where they worked on a much simpler and less fastidious technique, where the very fact of using water for the bay, almost from a puddle, is quite a usual and permissible business, but the "sixty-four" this did not forgive. "Two-stroke" diesel engine is very much "extreme." It is very heat-loaded and very high-speed, which, of course, is good for creating an engine with record figures, but in reality, the zone of optimal modes is very narrow, and the way out of it leads to engine breakdowns.

As a result, if a military conflict had arisen and the recruiters who had previously served on “dinosaurs” would have been called into the tank forces, this would have led to a massive exit of equipment from technical faults. Т72 was and is more understandable for people who served on Т55, Т62 - “mobilization” - it is “mobilization”

Yes, and we had “conditionally” new cars, many of them already had marks on their overhauls on their armor. And if the purely “Kharkiv women’s” attitude was still good, then the attitude to the machines, which had been in the “capable” hands of the soldiers-repairmen of the Kekhmeyzer plant, was ... well, there are no such printed words. That, in principle, I put in a minus to the designers, although, of course, the designers tried to eliminate the identified “errors” very much, T64A and T64B in many ways very different machines, and in terms of reliability, a lot was done. I was “lucky enough” to serve on T64, so believe it or not.
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  1. RussianRu
    RussianRu 13 November 2013 09: 19
    13
    Objectively.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 November 2013 16: 13
      +4
      Quote: Russian
      Objectively.


      Very myagenko though. Enemies like "not created" or "outstripped" ... it's easier to say the engine of the tank was very unreliable and the car was difficult to operate ...
  2. kirpich
    kirpich 13 November 2013 09: 28
    20
    It’s a pity that the second part is so short. Although I read both parts with pleasure. There would be more such reviews.
  3. Tommygun
    Tommygun 13 November 2013 09: 52
    +6
    It is very interesting to read such life examples from people who have real experience of operation and use, such as you or Alex TV.
    Thanks! Continue, despite the difficulties!
  4. ran nearby
    ran nearby 13 November 2013 10: 18
    16
    Well. I met in absentia one of those who did not let me sleep 24 years ago laughing
    Our barracks were about five kilometers from the Wünsdorf training ground. And every time, by the end of the training period, another "war" began there with the use of everything and everything was fun to sleep. Tanks bang, infantry paints the sky with tracers ... And so on until 4 in the morning.
    I bow to the author for interesting articles. And, what else I want to say, I do not know how in other places, but in the GSVG people were driven in full. Probably the most combat-ready units were.
    1. svp67
      13 November 2013 10: 22
      16
      Quote: next to run
      I met in absentia one of those who did not let me sleep 24 years ago

      Excuse me, it was such a job ... "to learn to defend the Motherland." So that they themselves did not sleep and, as it turns out, did not give others ... drinks
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 November 2013 12: 44
        +2
        Thanks for the articles, just like a documentary about your youth.
        How to say, do not add, do not decrease.
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  6. ed65b
    ed65b 13 November 2013 10: 25
    +1
    I have a son in the army, drove on BMD 5 years older than him. Mehan knows better than the designer all the pros and cons of the layout and nodes, my opinion.
  7. pv1005
    pv1005 13 November 2013 10: 55
    0
    Notes of the offended lieutenant. As an example from the life of the troops it will come down. But I did not see any examples of insecurity. Any technique, whatever the super duper, has the property of breaking. And even in very skillful hands. And combat training in the troops is for this purpose intended to LEARN IN MILITARY CASE IN THIS MODE. And if at one time subordinates were not trained in the proper operation of equipment, then there is nothing to blame for equipment.
    1. svp67
      13 November 2013 12: 13
      11
      Quote: pv1005
      Notes of the offended lieutenant

      Yes, the whole army life would be so "offended" as during service in the GSVG. And they served and lived, and the young were ..., and even received a double salary - there and in the Soviet Union ... which is also not the worst ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 November 2013 12: 43
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        the whole army life would be so "offended" as during service in the GSVG

        yes yes yes
        1. bask
          bask 13 November 2013 19: 21
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          And they served and lived, and the young were ..., and even received a double salary - there and in the Union ... which is also not the worst ...

          Great flashback article good
          ABOUT THE GREAT AND POWERFUL SOVIET ARMY.
          ZGV, there was a tip of this arrow. The main, shock group of troops.

          Now, if the whole army of Russia (ground troops) were armed and equipped as in the 80s of the ZGV, WOULD be one of the best armies in Europe.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 November 2013 13: 10
        +4
        Do not pay attention to obviniya in resentment. Give him more facts! And the banality at the end - it is necessary to LEARN MILITARY AFFAIRS in this way.
        It seems that the individual goes into one ear (eye).
        What they want, they hear that they don't like it, then, of course, biased, "they are thrashing their shock" stubbornly
    2. kirpich
      kirpich 13 November 2013 16: 32
      +4
      All armies hold onto such lieutenants.
    3. valerei
      valerei 13 November 2013 16: 52
      +4
      pv1005, as I already wrote that I am not a tanker, but a motorist, then we had similar problems with two-stroke diesel engines YaAZ-206 and 204, which were installed on Kraz and MAZ. I don’t know whose idea to apply them to cars, but for conditions of variable loads and constant changes in speed, these engines were not suitable. But where there is a constant load and constant speed, it was also suitable for ship engines, power plants. Engines are capricious to the quality of engine oil, to the quality and degree of purification of diesel fuel, to the temperature regime (the liners were cut off by the blow-out windows), and if our locksmith-"vanok" climbed into it, then write was gone. Therefore, they switched to four-stroke.
  8. ran nearby
    ran nearby 13 November 2013 11: 09
    +7
    Quote: svp67

    Excuse me, it was such a job ... "to learn to defend the Motherland." So that they themselves did not sleep and, as it turns out, did not give others ... drinks

    They did everything right, they didn’t let them sleep. This was new to me in the first month of service. And then we got used, and nothing could disturb our healthy soldier's dream bully
    Z.Y. We also did not sleep all the time. Sleep is just a brief gap between the databases at the GSVG Air Defense CP. For cooperation between the armed forces drinks
    1. svp67
      13 November 2013 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: next to run
      This was new to me in the first month of service. And then we got used, and nothing could disturb our healthy soldier's dream
      Now, we, too, fell asleep perfectly to the sounds of gunfire and the roar of engines and woke up ... when silence fell. What is clearly lacking ...
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  10. Per se.
    Per se. 13 November 2013 11: 17
    +3
    Everything is learned in comparison, and the T-34 was not immediately brought to mind. It seems that the problem is not so much in the technology as in the qualifications of the crews, the culture of maintenance and operation. It is unlikely that with the same "Leclerc" or "Abrams", even the later series, the question of unpretentiousness would be lower than with the T-64A.
    1. svp67
      13 November 2013 11: 22
      +7
      Quote: Per se.
      Everything is known in comparison, and the T-34 was not immediately brought to mind.
      That's right, but with T34, four years were enough for this, but in the case of T64 and two decades it was not enough ...
      Quote: Per se.
      It seems that the problem is not so much in technology as in the qualification of crews, the culture of maintenance and operation.

      The same I agree, if the T64 fell into the hands of soldiers of the army of the GDR or Czechoslovakia, they would "go to the toilet with boiling water" for joy ... And nevertheless, the fault of the designers is the same - it was necessary to make the tank so that it would be as possible more exclude the "human factor".
      Alas, the "sixty-four" did not become the "golden mean" between the "super difficult" T80 and the "lightweight" T72, although the T80 way is more to my liking, especially for a professional army
      1. Kars
        Kars 13 November 2013 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Right, but with T34, four years was enough for this,

        Actually it wasn’t enough. And after the end of the war in 1945, the designers began to bring it up for peaceful operation.
        Quote: svp67
        it was necessary to make the tank so that as much as possible to exclude the "human factor"

        Therefore, they launched the T-72
        1. svp67
          13 November 2013 11: 33
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Therefore, they launched the T-72

          No, that's why T80 appeared ...
          And T72 ... well, in the article, I already expressed my opinion ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 13 November 2013 11: 39
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            No, that's why T80 appeared ...

            I thought T-80 appeared for the sake of progress. And as a response to miscarriages of MBT-70 Abrams and Leopard 2
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 19 November 2013 11: 00
              0
              My favorite tank))) and My nickname))) T-80UM1 with Kaz Arena)))
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 13 November 2013 11: 38
    +3
    I read a tanker who fought in Chechnya, says that 80 in terms of electronics often broke down mainly due to the poorly trained crew and the tank lost its combat readiness and was burned, but 72 is not better in this regard.
  12. avg
    avg 13 November 2013 12: 13
    10
    I remember after the first exercises, on the then new T-64s, my friend, the battalion commander was short: "Fuck, we'll get to the Channel with them." But when they were replaced by T-72s, he said that: "We'll get there without haste, and then, you see, we'll crawl to the brits. Well, if the sappers find something smaller." wink
  13. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 November 2013 12: 35
    +5
    Wonderful memories, Sergey!
    good
    And the experience of loading onto platforms - it costs a lot ...
    Already startled, as I remembered.
    laughing
    The platform itself was already the full width of the tank along the psaltery, they entered in jewelry, the mechanics looked only at the "speaking with their hands", there was no other way. Not all mechanics could enter the platform and "walk" along it ...

    And to push the faulty equipment onto the platform is really a show ... the mat is obligatory, it is absolutely impossible without a mat. And the methods: the methods are different and any, depending on the means available. Until the use of chain hoists from the opposite side and dragging by a drag ...

    Gurgled from laughter about:
    "... and the last one was the most interesting: he turned left only on even gears, right on odd gears ..."
    The tank, it seems, the roof went from the exercises. They brought it, poor fellow ...
    What happened to him in the end?
    NOT the consistency of the right and left distribution mechanism on the BKP? Such a nonsense that is a bit familiar ... If the memory has not gone out yet, then it was the gearshift adjustments that went wrong (inconsistency of the settings in the BKP with each other). First, you combine the arrow with the risk on one BKP (in the distribution mechanism), then on the other BKP. Did it on 3 transfer.

    Thanks again, Sergey!
    I read it with HUGE PLEASURE.
    drinks

    spur:
    1. svp67
      13 November 2013 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      First, you combine the arrow with the risk on one BKP (in the distribution mechanism), then on the other BKP. They did it in 3rd gear.

      Ales hi
      Right, right ... just for this, they also connected pressure gauges to the "Hydraulic Control and Lubrication System", and compared the pressure drop ... on wheels, she didn't have to wait for the train ...
    2. igor67
      igor67 13 November 2013 21: 29
      +1
      The question for the tankers on the video may not be on the topic, but it seems to me that for urban battles the length of the tank barrel is too narrow? the tank withstood several hits
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 November 2013 21: 33
        +1
        Quote: igor67
        for urban battles, the length of the barrel of the tank is too close

        Often this is more of a plus. You can wrap one charge of uncles hiding in the basement through the air. They can put out another tank.
        1. igor67
          igor67 13 November 2013 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: igor67
          for urban battles, the length of the barrel of the tank is too close

          Often this is more of a plus. You can wrap one charge of uncles hiding in the basement through the air. They can put out another tank.

          And one more question, rather than a question, but a video to the dispute about the lack of security of the sights devices on the tank tower
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 November 2013 21: 47
            +1
            Well, now he needs to pull back a little and slap towards the shooter idle. The desire to shoot at once disappears.
            In general, it is ,,,,. The tankers were saved only by the lack of anti-tank weapons among the militants - even a "Molotov cocktail" would create big problems. And something like RGK-3 (cumulative hand grenade) would create three corpses.
            By default, a tank should not fall into such situations; for this, it has active protection in the form of an infantry squad.
            1. igor67
              igor67 13 November 2013 21: 54
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Well, now he needs to pull back a little and slap towards the shooter idle. The desire to shoot at once disappears.
              In general, it is ,,,,. The tankers were saved only by the lack of anti-tank weapons among the militants - even a "Molotov cocktail" would create big problems. And something like RGK-3 (cumulative hand grenade) would create three corpses.
              By default, a tank should not fall into such situations; for this, it has active protection in the form of an infantry squad.

              I agree, but to these tankmen. Unlucky two hits, though it seemed to withstand, the behi did not understand the movements, it seems like it should cover with fire
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 November 2013 22: 06
                0
                He could not stand it, it’s either the B-10 or its Chinese clones. There is armor-piercing for children - 200 mm. And they hit the tower

                Beha apparently came to unload the landing. Therefore, she handed the stern to the ruins.
            2. igor67
              igor67 13 November 2013 22: 23
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Well, now he needs to pull back a little and slap towards the shooter idle. The desire to shoot at once disappears.
              In general, it is ,,,,. The tankers were saved only by the lack of anti-tank weapons among the militants - even a "Molotov cocktail" would create big problems. And something like RGK-3 (cumulative hand grenade) would create three corpses.
              By default, a tank should not fall into such situations; for this, it has active protection in the form of an infantry squad.

              But lupanul
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 November 2013 23: 08
                0
                Quote: igor67
                But lupanul

                Probably lit up the camcorder. Glare is generally very visible.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 13 November 2013 23: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: igor67
                  But lupanul

                  Probably lit up the camcorder. Glare is generally very visible.

                  I just didn’t understand at the end, the second time the tank grinned at them?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 November 2013 23: 21
                    0
                    Maybe not for them, the barrel seems to have been brought to the left.
                2. igor67
                  igor67 13 November 2013 23: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: igor67
                  But lupanul

                  Probably lit up the camcorder. Glare is generally very visible.

                  Here is another video, but there is a beh from overclocking, the operator is written
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 November 2013 23: 36
                    +1
                    The fate of the action movie was hard.
      2. svp67
        13 November 2013 21: 36
        +3
        Quote: igor67
        танк

        Worker and soldier. All in scars, and fights ... And without DZ, and the armor "holds". An extra argument for those who don't believe in Russian tanks.
        Quote: igor67
        that for urban battles the length of the tank’s trunk is too close

        Yes, too big, but the question is, where is the infantry? No matter how good the tank is, it cannot fulfill the role of a simple infantryman ... If the infantry and the length of the barrel were "within the normal range" ... since it would not have to be "shoved into every window ..."
        1. igor67
          igor67 13 November 2013 21: 45
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: igor67
          танк

          Worker and soldier. All in scars, and fights ... And without DZ, and the armor "holds". An extra argument for those who don't believe in Russian tanks.
          Quote: igor67
          that for urban battles the length of the tank’s trunk is too close

          Yes, too big, but the question is, where is the infantry? No matter how good the tank is, it cannot fulfill the role of a simple infantryman ... If the infantry and the length of the barrel were "within the normal range" ... since it would not have to be "shoved into every window ..."

          Here the tank is most likely new, paint and DZ, only again without infantry and this video all 2013
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 November 2013 21: 45
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          And without DZ, and the armor "holds".

          Yes. Already a frost on the skin.
          There is an influx on the tower for an optical rangefinder ... So the iron itself is very ancient. These are the first export deliveries of the T-72.
          Hard worker veteran.

          And without infantry, a tank in the city has nothing to do.
          1. igor67
            igor67 13 November 2013 22: 03
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Quote: svp67
            And without DZ, and the armor "holds".

            Yes. Already a frost on the skin.
            There is an influx on the tower for an optical rangefinder ... So the iron itself is very ancient. These are the first export deliveries of the T-72.
            Hard worker veteran.

            And without infantry, a tank in the city has nothing to do.

            Here is the same, but already captured by militants
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 13 November 2013 22: 10
              0
              Quote: igor67
              Here is the same, but already captured by militants

              Hmm ... sucks that captured.
              Igor, only this car is already more modern. T-72B export, protection and electronics at a more acceptable level (184 object, not 172A object).
              1. igor67
                igor67 13 November 2013 22: 19
                +1
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Quote: igor67
                Here is the same, but already captured by militants

                Hmm ... sucks that captured.
                Igor, only this car is already more modern. T-72B export, protection and electronics at a more acceptable level (184 object, not 172A object).

                Got it, thanks Alexey, I’ve already forgotten about Syria, all the spirits are on the "fishing"
        3. bask
          bask 13 November 2013 23: 46
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          It's too big, but the question is, where is the infantry? No matter how good the tank, n

          Here, BMPT, BTR-T are created for such fights.
          For the triad, there is not enough assault tank, with a short barrel cal gun 152 mm.

          As on amerovsmom M60A2
          And the maximum reservation in the city speed is not so important.
          The main all-angle armor protection.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 13 November 2013 23: 53
            +1
            Quote: bask
            For the triad, there is not enough assault tank, with a short barrel cal gun 152 mm.

            By the way, Andrey, in "Czechs-2" the bearded very much disliked the BMP-3 for its "weaving", which she could guarantee to clean the upper floors into the trash.
            Literally hunted for the car.
            There were few of them.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 November 2013 23: 58
              +1
              Quote: Aleks tv
              for her "weaving", with which she could clean up the upper floors in the trash

              It's not about the length of the gun, but about the low ballistics. It is much easier to provide the tanks with normal ammunition than to bother creating "assault" short barrels.
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 14 November 2013 16: 50
                0
                Quote: Spade
                There, it’s not the gun’s length, but low ballistics.

                Not sure. You can't make a mortar howitzer like Nona out of a tank gun, at least don't put any ammunition into it! yes
                And on the base of the tank you can place a much more powerful weapon, like Nona. An irreplaceable thing in the mountains, cities, etc.
  14. vardex
    vardex 13 November 2013 13: 05
    -1
    Article so 7 8 well breaks technique. Well, there is an ideal tank in the world that does not break, show if there is one .... Many factors when equipment breaks down - the main thing is the laying between the steering wheel and the seat ..
  15. desiscia
    desiscia 13 November 2013 17: 03
    +2
    My dad served only good memories in the GSVG, and when an Evo friend of a fellow soldier arrives from Tyumen, they remember until morning.
  16. Djozz
    Djozz 13 November 2013 17: 19
    0
    MAT, few words, but how many options!
  17. ran nearby
    ran nearby 13 November 2013 18: 00
    +2
    Gentlemen, tankers and fans, I’ll try to summarize the opinions for the T-64.
    Theoretically, the tank is excellent. There are a couple of stocks.
    1. not very running - the guilt of the designers is minimal, all claims to the party leadership. In principle, during modernization, it could be replaced by a chassis from 72ki or 80ki
    2. Two-stroke diesel cranky and not quite suitable for the tank. Here, of course, the misfortune of Soviet industry. Probably with the use of other, better grades of steel and cast iron, with the right metalworking machines, and better computerized processing centers, the result would be different. But all this was not then, and almost none so far.
    Well, and most importantly, as for me. The T-64 was "sharpened" for operation by PROFESSIONALS, i.e. according to the modern - contract soldiers. And what do you want from a complex machine, if once every half-year come 18-year-old boys from the republics of Central Asia, who barely speak Russian. Well, how can one make a competent driver-mechanic out of them in half a year - a year, who would not just pull the levers correctly, but understand what processes occur in the whole chain: engine, gearbox, transmission, caterpillar?
    So it turns out that the modern army should be at least half contracted, and the conscription service must be at least 2 years old.
    And it would be necessary to engage in combat training in the troops at least as it was in the GSVG.
    Otake.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 November 2013 20: 36
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      Quote: next to run
      I’ll try to summarize the opinions for the T-64.

      I ran alongside, but the conclusions about the T-64 are erroneous request , although, in this and other articles and comments it is written clearly about the problems of 5TDf.
      The opinion that the T-64 was supposedly "sharpened" for professionals is fundamentally wrong!
      Much more qualified are the technicians who regulate and repair the T-55 (62) with mechanical drives. The skill of the gunner on old machines with imperfect STV should be an order of magnitude higher!
      It’s like on old Zhiguli it was necessary to adjust the carburetor, the ignition system, and even though the engine should be sorted out - and many sensible masters did it well. A modern motor with a common rail in the garage can not be done, even if at least seven spans in the forehead. A soldier (technician) as a rule does not tinker with offal 5tdf, especially BKP. There are exceptions that only confirm the rule.
      No special skills and knowledge were required when operating the 64-ki.
      Special knowledge and skills, technologies and money were required at industrial and repair factories (first of all, Malysheva)... In a world where there are technologies and even "with the use of other, higher quality grades of steel and cast iron, with the availability of correct metal-working machines, and better computerized machining centers", the result is also similar to ours. So far, a 2-stroke diesel engine is used extremely rarely, if not only in Kharkov.
      A little more detailed, if still not clear.
      TDF engine.
      a.) Does not require practically adjustments in operation. Easy to replace. What kind of professionals are needed here? Overhaul at the factory only.
      b.) It is highly accelerated, prone to overheating, does not tolerate increased loads, is prone to dust wear, fire hazard, requires an increased culture in servicing the cooling system, does not start well, especially in cold weather and if not new.
      To reduce, not to overcome them at all, the harmful influence of these misfortunes does not require a higher education, but "patience and diligence."
      What is a professional who graduated from Bauman MVTU there needed to fill in only softened water with an additive in the summer, and not what? It will flood hard - an imminent scribe from overheating is inevitable. This is explained by the high thermal load of the motor and structural features (thin section of individual channels of the cooling system in the crankcase.
      In addition, a two-stroke diesel engine has a lower torque reserve, a lower operating speed range, and its resource is lower. It is not advisable to tow a tank with a tank for a long time, there is a high risk that it will "knock", and with a break in the crankcase with a connecting rod!
      Fighting conditions and good oil, and even such water, can become scarce. And people's accuracy is dulled, if, of course, it was before! laughing
      1. The fat man
        The fat man 13 November 2013 22: 43
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        crankcase break crank!
        so so so about this already in more detail lol
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 November 2013 11: 22
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          Quote: Fat Man
          so so so about this already in more detail

          Do the army, zappotehom companies of combat training tanks: here you will have many, many interesting details! yes
          And why the connecting rod breaks off on a offered motor, when they give it to .., you can even catch it yourself. fool
      2. svp67
        21 November 2013 13: 17
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        "+" although in many respects it is possible to argue with the conclusions ...
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  19. Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 13 November 2013 18: 05
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    The author is well done, tell more interesting stories! This is what service means - you know how to clearly explain why you are dissatisfied with a tank, since you yourself know what kind of equipment it is.
  20. e3tozy
    e3tozy 13 November 2013 22: 21
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    Greetings to all! Respect to the author for a good article. The forum users respect for the informative dialogue. It’s a pity that the 80-ku removed from service, a very good car. Although I understand that this is not entirely off topic. I watched a movie about the T-64 today, I don’t understand much of the tanker, but in shooting it is a cut above the T-72.
  21. Gronsky
    Gronsky 13 November 2013 23: 45
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    I read both articles.
    My recognition to the author has no limits.
    Well, right now, he was already crying, before that he had covered the memories of the military youth. And they coincide with the read 100%. Dear Altes, darling 64, so she was healthy for me. How she got me! it's epics!
    Thanks again to the author.
  22. Kars
    Kars 28 February 2014 23: 16
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