Expedition to the ancestors. "Ritual Revolution"

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Expedition to the ancestors. "Ritual Revolution"
Reconstruction of a cult room from Çatalhöyük at the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations


The revolution has a beginning
There is no end to the revolution!
Yu. S. Kamenetsky (1967)

Migrants and migrations. In the previous article, we talked about the so-called “agrarian revolution” in the life of our distant ancestors, who managed to domesticate many animals and plants that were useful to them and finally began to live a settled life. It is clear that not everyone and not everywhere immediately abandoned gathering and hunting, but there is no doubt that this happened in the area of ​​the “fertile crescent”.



However, human life continued to develop and these are the changes that occurred in it after the domestication of animals and plants between the XNUMXth and XNUMXth millennia BC. e.


“The Holy Crescent” and the most ancient city in the world, Jericho!

Trinity of important changes


And changes in human life at this time occurred that were, in fact, extremely important. Three significant innovations entered the life of our ancestors: settled life, rural settlements and cities.

The transition to agriculture, which we discussed last time, is not without reason called the “Neolithic revolution,” but archaeological data speak of a smooth change in methods of obtaining food that took millennia. That is, this change can be called a “revolution” only in relation to its exceptional significance.

In fact, it was a long and gradual process, much more consistent with evolution. But since they say so, we will not create new entities, but will only emphasize that the result of these “revolutionary-evolutionary” changes was a completely different world than the one that existed, let’s say, directly in post-glacial times.

A sedentary person is a “believer”


It is interesting that now the first changes traced by archaeologists concern not food production at all, but social relations. There was a tendency to live in one place for a long time, to build durable structures, and along with all this, rituals began to develop - a powerful factor in the cohesion of society. Perhaps this “ritual revolution” was even more important than the economic progress traditionally associated with the advent of agriculture.

Well, what is the essence of this “revolution,” someone may well ask, if certain rituals took place among the Neanderthals, and the anthropomorphic figurines of the “Mother Goddess” known to us are even many tens of thousands of years old? What new has already happened that makes it permissible to talk, again, about a “revolution”?

But here’s what: if all the previous rituals were performed, they were, so to speak, “in the open air,” whereas now in their settlements people began to build special religious buildings! Although not everywhere, which is still a difficult to explain mystery. We will, however, return to it a little later, but for now we need to once again pay attention to the role of the natural geographical factor in the development of human society.

Natural-geographical division of labor


The richest resources at that time were the banks of rivers and lakes. In addition, among the same floodplains of Southern Mesopotamia, where there is a lot of fish and aquatic game, the date palm grows in an excellent way.

And it is not surprising that the most ancient permanent settlements gravitated towards the junction of different habitats, which expanded the possibilities of exploiting the geographical environment. For example, the settlements of Abu Hureyra in the floodplain of the Euphrates and En-Mallah in the Jordan Valley were located next to dry steppes, which allowed cattle to graze there. In some settlements (say, Kermez-Dere), dwellings included ritual details, which apparently indicates the increasing role of family and property.

Anatolian peasants in the 9th millennium BC. e. (the settlements of Chayunyu, Nevali-Chori) also built religious buildings, and they also grew grain crops. In Hallan Chemi, Djerf el-Ahmar, and Nemrik, stone carving was practiced. Chayunyu has already learned how to process copper. Well, the oldest clay vessels are known to us from Mureybet on the Euphrates (000 BC) and Ganj Dar in the Zagros Mountains.


Middle East and ancient copper

Today there are different periodizations of this distant time, but one of the most acceptable is this:

12000–9000 BC e. – Epipaleolithic (the more familiar name to us is Mesolithic, “Middle Stone Age”) – the oldest long-term settlements.

9000–6500 BC e. – Pre-ceramic Neolithic: the beginning of agricultural production, the emergence of rituals.

6500–5500 BC e. – ceramic Neolithic (Hassoun, Samarra cultures): the emergence of crafts.

5500–4200 BC e. – Chalcolithic – “Copper-Stone Age” (El-Ubeid period): the first regional centers and administrative structures.

4200–3100 BC e. – Chalcolithic (Uruk period): growth of cities, emergence of writing.


Reconstructed houses of Khirokitiya

Where did the old people go in Khirokitiya?


The most famous pre-Pottery Neolithic settlements include Jericho. Already in the 1,6th millennium BC. e. it occupied about XNUMX hectares. Unique were a moat carved into the rock and a stone wall with a huge cylindrical tower equipped with a spiral staircase inside.

A thousand years later, the villages of Basta and En-Ghazal in Jordan already occupied about 10 hectares of area. Their inhabitants kept human skulls with realistically sculpted faces, and many cult figurines were also excavated in En-Ghazal.

Khirokitaya, a village on the island of Cyprus, also belongs to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic settlements. There was a detailed article about him at VO, so it hardly makes sense to repeat its contents, but here’s one interesting fact worth paying attention to.

So far, only 48 buildings of an unusual round shape have been excavated here. The strangest thing, however, was that the ancient inhabitants of this ancient “city” for some reason buried their dead under the floor of their homes. There is a ritual funeral rite and the presence of posthumous gifts. That is, a funeral cult.

And here’s what’s strange: there was a cult, but no religious buildings were found in the settlement. There are no burials of old people, although the inhabitants of Khirokitia - and this has been proven - lived in this place for more than a thousand years. There are a lot of children’s burials, but where could the old people have gone?

The mystery of the stone plates


Another mystery of Khirokitia is its dishes. It is not ceramic, since it is from the pre-ceramic Neolithic era, but stone. And almost all of it is made of greenish-gray andesite, an extremely hard volcanic rock. By the way, the famous Vorontsov Palace in Crimea was also built from it. And everyone notes that this stone is extremely difficult to process even with iron tools.

Meanwhile, archaeologists have discovered round, rectangular, and oblong stone bowls here, up to 30 centimeters long. And this is how the ancient Khirokitians made them?

Moreover, they not only made them, but also mercilessly smashed them before placing the deceased in the grave! Where did they get obsidian for arrows if there is none on the island? Did you buy it from the Chatalhuyuk people, that is, sail across the sea for it?


Excavations at Chayunya

By the way, what scientists still cannot explain is where the Khirokitians went in XNUMX BC. e. They settled here by the river, lived in this city for a thousand years, reached exceptional heights in the development of their stone culture, and then disappeared to an unknown location and why.

And then only fifteen hundred years later people came to this place again. Also belonging to the Neolithic culture, but with ceramic products painted in red and cream tones. And they no longer lived in round, but in rectangular houses.


Panorama of the excavations of Çatalhöyük

The first industrial zones: ceramics and metal


And in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth millennia BC. e. large Neolithic settlements already covered the entire Middle East. Their economy was based on agriculture, cattle breeding and already very definitely developed crafts. For example, in Yarim Tepe in the XNUMXth millennium BC. e. they used lead and copper, there was its own “industrial zone” with two-tier kilns for firing pottery.

Painted pottery, often with a distinct local style, has been found in these villages. One of the oldest pottery centers is Çatalhöyük (13 hectares), the wealth of whose population is evidenced by the many decorations made of obsidian and semi-precious stones. The houses inside are decorated with wall paintings and skulls of wild aurochs. By the way, the residents of this settlement also buried their dead under the floor of their own homes!


Reconstruction of a house from Çatalhöyük. Low platforms and a small storage room are visible

About recording debts and turning to God...


An important innovation for the Neolithic villages of northern Mesopotamia and Syria was the first accounting system using clay or stone tokens and personal seals (in Sabi Abyad in the Samarra period, in Arpaciya a little later). These simplest ways of certifying transactions and contracts formed the basis of urban written reporting.


Inside a house in Çatalhöyük

There were no metals or gems in Mesopotamia. By the XNUMXth millennium BC. e. the need for luxury goods from them led to the creation of small colonies in Anatolia, reaching the plain of Malatya (Degirmentepe), and to the exploitation of the resources of the Persian Gulf (Dosaria, Abu Khamis) - up to the Musandam Peninsula.

At the same time, the first temples were built in the south of Mesopotamia, around which the most ancient city-states subsequently grew. In Eridu, the temple stood in one place for 3 years - a vivid example of following the traditions characteristic of the world's first civilizations, and the role of turning people to the gods (or to God), which was already firmly established in their lives at that time.


Model of Çatalhöyük from a museum in Weimar

Despite their early development, villages like Jericho and Çatalhöyük did not become centers of state entities. By the XNUMXth millennium BC. e. the foundations of urban civilization were laid in Mesopotamia. There, highly productive irrigated agriculture in the south and the strategically important location of places such as Nineveh in the north (the intersection of trade routes connecting raw material areas) created the economic and organizational prerequisites for the formation of the first states.


Historical reconstruction of the city of Jericho in the Late Bronze Age
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  1. +2
    7 October 2023 04: 46
    Stone ware is eternal :) One master could make several dozen in his lifetime. Judging by experiences from our time. It seems like a little. Several masters in a couple of generations could provide the entire settlement with kitchen utensils for a century. Why not break up the excess?
    About burials under the floor of the home. And in our 21st century they still bury people like this in some places. And they keep skulls and the like. A fellow countryman has been hitchhiking around the world for several years in a row. Been everywhere except Africa and Europe. And he posts everything on social networks.
    1. +6
      7 October 2023 06: 18
      Essentially, the burial ritual is determined by the customs of the sociocultural environment, taking into account local conditions.
      Burial is natural for us, but this ritual becomes the norm only after the Christianization of the Slavs. Before this, there was also the practice of cremation. However, the canonical narrative itself included a number of pagan customs. For example, funeral feast (funeral). Even today, burial customs vary among different peoples of Russia.
      Probably the most canonical example. In central Russia, the deceased is buried on the third day, but among residents of Transcaucasia this period varies from one to two days. There is no need to explain the reasons, they are on the surface!
      In most cases, when studying a ritual, one must look for the practical side. The religious aspect in this case is secondary - because custom arises from chance (successful practice, experience).
      Thank you to Vyacheslav for your work, good day to the comrades, success and prosperity!
      1. +1
        7 October 2023 19: 29
        In central Russia, the deceased is buried on the third day, but among residents of Transcaucasia this period varies from one to two days.

        Good afternoon, Vladislav. Here you definitely had to clarify where exactly. The Transcaucasian countries include Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, partially Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
        In the Christian countries of Transcaucasia, they are buried in different ways - in Armenia on the third day, in Georgia on the seventh, in Ossetia - on the second or third, in Abkhazia - if the deceased is baptized, then on the third day, if a devout Muslim, then before sunset. Similarly, in Azerbaijan, and here in central Russia, a deceased Muslim is buried according to Muslim tradition.
        So the religious aspect in this case is not secondary, as you write, but, on the contrary, primary.
        1. 0
          14 October 2023 23: 18
          Quote: Richard
          , In Abkhazia - if the deceased is baptized, then on the third day, if he is a devout Muslim, then before sunset. Similarly, in Azerbaijan, and here in central Russia, a deceased Muslim is buried according to Muslim tradition.
          So the religious aspect in this case is not secondary, as you write, but, on the contrary, primary.
          The custom of burying before sunset - arose on The South - where it is very hot and the body of the deceased should not "to lie still" in the house to avoid decomposition and possible infections.
          Religious rituals arise on the basis of local customs, and then with preachers they spread to other countries and peoples - and there a “mismatch” arises and an outside observer is surprised at the inconsistency between the conditions of local life and religious rituals.
          hi
    2. -1
      7 October 2023 08: 06
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Been everywhere except Africa and Europe. And he posts everything on social networks.

      It is now more dangerous to travel in Europe than in Africa.
    3. +1
      7 October 2023 09: 38
      About the dishes. Was this a hobby for the master or his main job? If the main job, then these “several dozen” were supposed to provide for himself and his entire family all his life. Well, if it’s a hobby, then yes, you’re right.
      1. +3
        7 October 2023 10: 56
        Hobbies appear when you have free time. In the era of the tribal system, such hobbies are doubtful.
        1. +2
          7 October 2023 12: 17
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          In the era of the tribal system, such hobbies are doubtful.

          Cave Age artists were unlikely to receive income from their activities.
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 13: 24
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            In the era of the tribal system, such hobbies are doubtful.

            Cave Age artists were unlikely to receive income from their activities.

            We do not know the subtleties of the tribe's religious beliefs. Maybe the spirit of the bison was supposed to be transferred to the wall before after a successful hunt.
            Many pisanitsa (rock paintings) have marks from arrowheads or a painted heart.
            For example, the Pisannitsa rock (Olenyi Ruchi Park, near Nizhnye Sergi).
            1. +2
              7 October 2023 13: 45
              Pisanitsa and other petroglyphs are already Mesolithic and younger, and there is already a lot of schematics, as well as all sorts of geometry.
              Hyperrealism dominated in the Paleolithic and Epipaleolithic.

              Compare the same Altamira with the same Ebro.

              Well, or Kapova Cave with the same Zalavruga, if the domestic one is more interesting.
              1. 0
                7 October 2023 13: 54
                I don’t argue, I gave an example that was at hand!
                However, painting out of a sense of beauty before and after the advent of abstraction is questionable. We must look for practical meaning in the actions of the artist.
                1. -6
                  7 October 2023 20: 02
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  drawing from a sense of beauty before the advent of abstraction and later is doubtful

                  What, however, are our well-educated cops)

                  I dealt with yours, at the middle level, not colonels, obviously, but there were majors... the impression was a complete threshing floor. I'm glad if this doesn't apply to you personally)
            2. SAG
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              15 October 2023 11: 47

              For example, the Pisannitsa rock (Olenyi Ruchii park, near the city, Nizhnye Sergi)

              I couldn't pass by. This is a rock near the village of Pisanets, Artyomovsky district. Sverdlovsk region. I've been there more than once. On the surface facing the river, a deer pattern is clearly visible, the photo conveys the color of the pattern well, but the angle let us down. The rock is sheer, the height from the foot is 10 meters... One can only guess how the ancient people painted this masterpiece.
    4. +3
      7 October 2023 12: 24
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Stoneware is eternal :)
      You do not take into account the impact of children and crooked people.
    5. 0
      9 October 2023 00: 48
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Stone ware is eternal :) One master could make several dozen in his lifetime.

      And this begs my question laughing. Several dozen in a lifetime? How much should it cost!? laughing
      Moreover, they not only made them, but also mercilessly smashed them before placing the deceased in the grave!

      Maybe cause and effect are confused here?
      First, the dishes accidentally break, and as a result, the culprit ends up under the floor with now useless fragments? laughing
  2. +3
    7 October 2023 05: 12
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    It is likely that the external environment has a greater influence on the tendency to live in one place or to wander. But a lot of things are inherent in a person from the very beginning.
    1. +4
      7 October 2023 05: 39
      Living in one place is forced by property that cannot be carried away. First of all, such property is natural gardens: date, olive, grape. But there are many people who want to settle on such lands. Therefore, in the second place - protective structures. And thirdly, fertile lands and lands with natural resources.
      1. +5
        7 October 2023 06: 04
        Yes. Living next door to the “Queen of the Oasis” is much more convenient.
      2. +6
        7 October 2023 06: 16
        Quote: SVD68
        Living in one place is forced by property that cannot be carried away. First of all, such property is natural gardens: date, olive, grape. But there are many people who want to settle on such lands. Therefore, in the second place - protective structures. And thirdly, fertile lands and lands with natural resources.

        Initially, it was wheat, potatoes, or whatever grew there that forced people to live in one place. Temporary parking during the harvest period. The grain was spread, and over the centuries the area of ​​“crops” increased. They began to linger longer. Outbuildings appeared. Then they figured out how to plant, loosen, irrigate, etc. themselves. Agricultural implements, millstones, barns, walls... Complete settlement.
        I.e. Firstly, this is food that grows
        1. +6
          7 October 2023 06: 28
          First of all, it's a growing food.

          Here in the same Çatalhöyük there is a strange thing - the harvest was stored, but there are very few traces of its use, such as millstones. Therefore, someone suggested that early agriculture did not arise because of food. They grew grain exclusively for processing it into beer!! what wink laughing
          1. +3
            7 October 2023 07: 13
            Half of the crop was planted again the following year. Another quarter for a rainy day. A quarter was ground and eaten
          2. +5
            7 October 2023 09: 24
            Didn’t they think about grinding grains by hand on stone “plates”?
            Thinking only about beer?
            Or crushing grain in mortars using the impact method?
            1. +2
              7 October 2023 10: 54
              Thinking only about beer?

              So even now many people only think about him.. wink

              Grub - in those prosperous times you could get it in many places. But the only constant source of booze is agriculture.. laughing
              1. +3
                7 October 2023 18: 52
                Have they tried fermenting dates in mash?
                Or were the archaeologists only thinking about cold beer and suckling pig with horseradish?
                1. +6
                  7 October 2023 20: 06
                  Don’t blame the archaeologists - they know very well that fried suckling pig with horseradish is best served with chilled vodka, not beer Yes

                  Like the classic: wink
                  Remove the glasses from the table, Marya Ignatovna, get the guests glasses from the buffet, now we will serve a roasted suckling pig with horseradish in buckwheat, and we will serve a decanter of Smirnovskaya from the cellar (c)
                  1. +3
                    8 October 2023 00: 31
                    they know very well that fried suckling pig with horseradish goes best with chilled vodka, not beer

                    Comrade Colonel, greetings! drinks

                    How's the classic

                    My favorite classic is Gogol.
                    - Is there a piglet? - Chichikov asked this question to the standing woman.
                    - There is.
                    - With horseradish and sour cream?
                    - With horseradish and sour cream.
                    - Give it here!


                    And yet he ate it! laughing drinks
                    1. +2
                      8 October 2023 08: 12
                      Gogol immediately introduced himself too. In a variety of options. Resisted. Didn't bother quoting. Otherwise the page would immediately turn into a literary and culinary page.
                  2. 0
                    9 October 2023 09: 22
                    - And me too. “Tamantsev sniffed greedily; it seemed to him that the smell of meat borscht was coming from the dining room. “Now I’d like something sour...” he said dreamily, “like a roast pig!.. With horseradish!” And a couple of bottles of beer on ice...
            2. +2
              7 October 2023 12: 45
              So there are only grain grinders there. Millstones were invented in Egypt, during the Old Kingdom, and from the Uruk culture - let's dance from it - until the invention of the millstone, time passed approximately from the campaigns of Alexander the Great to the present day.
          3. +2
            7 October 2023 10: 43
            Quote: paul3390
            the harvest was stored, but there are very few traces of its use such as millstones

            You need to look at the living creatures - grain could be feed or even dry food during difficult times, wars - if in a warm climate there are other reliable sources of everyday food such as dates, fruits, fish, poultry, then growing grain as the main source of food may be irrational.
        2. +1
          7 October 2023 08: 31
          Gathering wild wheat did not interfere with wandering from meadow to meadow. Only settled life forced the cultivation of cereals and vegetables close to the settlement.
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 09: 38
            Quote: SVD68
            Gathering wild wheat did not interfere with wandering from meadow to meadow. Only settled life forced the cultivation of cereals and vegetables close to the settlement.

            They were nomadic. But the more wheat there was, the longer they stayed. And not vice versa.
          2. +1
            7 October 2023 21: 52
            Gathering wild wheat did not interfere with wandering from meadow to meadow.

            If there was a lot of it, it would be a nuisance! What to eat in winter? Grain falls off in the fall; grains had to be collected in advance and stored in grain storage pits. But you won’t abandon the depository, and why? There is food, what else is needed. You can send people to clean distant fields or to hunt/fish far away, for a while, but the base remains. Somewhere in Peru they found the remains of a village from a fucking old time, even before the Clovis people, they ate wild potatoes and lived in permanent huts.
        3. +1
          7 October 2023 10: 57
          Initially, it was wheat, potatoes, or whatever grew there that forced people to live in one place.

          Come on - in many caves the cultural layers show that people lived in them for tens of thousands of years. Even Neanderthals...
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 11: 12
            The fact that they were used as a place for seasonal camping does not mean that people lived in them.
            I, as a person who dug these caves, declare this to you responsibly. They even worked differently on different layers of the same raw material.
            Yeah, living in caves... Well, try it, spend the winter in an uninsulated cave with your whole family
            .
            1. +2
              7 October 2023 12: 11
              So - and I dug...

              Who told you that they spent the winter in a cave right on the floor?? Of course, you can’t survive like that... But putting a tent or wigwam there is already quite splendid... It doesn’t blow, it doesn’t drip, and all sorts of jackals around don’t wipe themselves off...
              1. +2
                7 October 2023 13: 07
                It won't help. Dampness will penetrate any flooring. Also, the stone below also absorbs heat well. But you cannot place a fire further than a certain distance from the entrance to the cave.

                Do not fantasize in favor of your simulacrum on the issue; all this has already been studied in detail and considered long before us.

                In the caves of the same Kabarda, already in April it is impossible to spend the night even on a thick self-inflator and in a winter sleeping bag. You can live in grottoes - you can have cave monasteries - this is a bunch of grottoes. They are warmed up and at least cozy.

                Also think about the issue of food supplies, good luck hunting in the mountains in winter.
          2. +2
            7 October 2023 12: 22
            Quote: paul3390
            Initially, it was wheat, potatoes, or whatever grew there that forced people to live in one place.

            Come on - in many caves the cultural layers show that people lived in them for tens of thousands of years. Even Neanderthals...

            For tens of thousands of years, not tens of thousands of years in a row. Otherwise, guano would be mined there now
        4. +2
          7 October 2023 12: 20
          And they quickly faced soil depletion amid an expanding population. Within walking distance to the field within a day or two.
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 12: 33
            Quote: AllBiBek
            And they quickly faced soil depletion amid an expanding population. Within walking distance to the field within a day or two.

            A wheat field with a radius of 30-60 km for a hundred or two settlers? laughing
            1. +2
              7 October 2023 13: 08
              Hoe farming (with a stone hoe), harvesting with a stone sickle (and the liners do not last long), manual threshing and grinding of grain... Mmmm)). And all this - with the power of hundreds of hands, including children's.
              1. +2
                7 October 2023 13: 53
                Certainly. When they settled down. And no one walked through the wheat field for two days
              2. +1
                7 October 2023 22: 49
                It seems that one of the researchers worked with a flint sickle; productivity was higher than that of a steel one: 2.45 kg per hour versus 2.

                The question is off topic.
                The Kalkriese Museum states that the light soil in the excavation is a marker of human activity. It was implied that the soil becomes light from the sun's rays and that means someone dug up the area many centuries ago or something else?
      3. +3
        7 October 2023 06: 20
        protective structures

        The phenomenon of Jericho is also that its fortifications are clearly excessive for the Early Neolithic. Well, where does decent siege equipment come from then? At most, stairs and a log to knock on the gate... But to protect against this, walls and towers of the level of Jericho are definitely not needed. But they exist, and a lot of money and effort were spent on their creation. The question is - why? From whom or what were the local people defending themselves? And most importantly, what was he defending? Well, isn't it a harvest?
        1. +4
          7 October 2023 08: 28
          What is this phenomenon? Moscow Rome Carthage China Novgorod and their fortifications also looked different from what we are used to seeing.
          Jericho had no walls at first. Then a small dam. Then... And in the picture the walls are from the 16th century BC
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 10: 10
            So - I'm not talking about the picture. You can find photos of the protective structures of Jericho-B yourself on the internet.
            1. +1
              7 October 2023 12: 34
              Quote: paul3390
              So - I'm not talking about the picture. You can find photos of the protective structures of Jericho-B yourself on the internet.

              I can’t find anything other than a three-meter wall. Can you help?
        2. +5
          7 October 2023 08: 49
          Quote: paul3390
          protective structures
          A lot of money and effort were spent on their creation. The question is - why? From whom or what were the local people defending themselves? And most importantly, what was he defending? Well, isn't it a harvest?

          Local people defended themselves from non-local people who arrived with sticks and clubs for the harvest collected by local people wink
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 10: 12
            For this, a shaft with a small wall is sufficient.
            1. +3
              7 October 2023 12: 43
              Quote: paul3390
              For this, a shaft with a small wall is sufficient.

              What happened in Jericho B? Carcassonne?
        3. +5
          7 October 2023 11: 17
          You confuse hard with cold.
          The fact that there is an older settlement near Jericho does not mean that the fortification is from its time.
          Multilayer fortification is also the norm.
          I had a case when an Ananyinsky one jumped out in a section of the Bulgarian defensive rampart. Waist-high, sprinkled with clay, then calcined, and with dog skulls outside the settlement every 4-5 steps.

          Meanwhile, there is a millennium between them at best.
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 12: 14
            If anyone confuses them, they are learned men. And they say - Jericho-B is a pre-ceramic Neolithic. Questions for them.
        4. +1
          7 October 2023 12: 29
          Quote: paul3390
          And most importantly, what was he defending? Well, isn't it a harvest?
          He defended his life.
          Quote: paul3390

          The phenomenon of Jericho is also that its fortifications are clearly excessive for the Early Neolithic.
          They could do it, so they did it. You never know how it will go. Nowadays they also buy SVDs for the home, although a double-barreled shotgun is enough to solve possible problems.
        5. +2
          7 October 2023 15: 00
          Quote: paul3390
          But they exist, and a lot of money and effort were spent on their creation. The question is - why? From whom or what were the local people defending themselves? And most importantly, what was he defending? Well, isn't it a harvest?


          The labor force of the settlement was protected from theft by slavery - this is a warm area and it was possible to survive there even if you lost the harvest. And the loss of people will not be compensated for many, many years.
        6. 0
          7 October 2023 22: 01
          Well, isn't it a harvest?

          You need to protect your lives. And the harvest too. Josephus Flavius ​​described some kind of local war - the enemy drove the local residents into fortified cities, from the walls of which the unfortunate peasants could watch how the enemies harvested their harvest, and, very satisfied, returned home.
      4. +3
        7 October 2023 07: 03
        fertile lands

        There is a classic misconception here. The first civilizations of Egypt and Mesopotamia are interpreted as having arisen in areas fertile for agriculture. But this is not at all true! The original landscape of those places is a giga-swamp with extremely unpleasant conditions for existence. Lower Egypt and Southern Mesopotamia are almost like this even now. There you have all sorts of reptiles, insects, diseases, and unpredictable floods - brrrrr... Only despair could drive people to such places. And only the hard work of dozens of generations turned these territories into oases. It’s true - then the Arabs came and ruined everything, but for several thousand years there truly was heaven on earth.

        But they originally got into this nightmare with feijoas?? When all around there were, in general, quite decent lands in those days?
        1. +6
          7 October 2023 07: 57
          The Mayans and Aztecs also climbed into the swamps. And that was just recently. Probably the number of calories per unit area and the ability to store them attracted people. And they were afraid of all kinds of snakes and mosquitoes, but they also ate.
          In any case, they deliberately went there, and not under duress.
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 10: 51
            Mayans, Aztecs also got into the swamps

            They were the heirs of already fully developed civilizations such as the Olmecs, and for this reason they possessed very decent agricultural technologies and knowledge.. Unlike the first Egyptians and Ubeids..
            1. +3
              7 October 2023 12: 38
              Quote: paul3390
              Mayans, Aztecs also got into the swamps

              They were the heirs of already fully developed civilizations such as the Olmecs, and for this reason they possessed very decent agricultural technologies and knowledge.. Unlike the first Egyptians and Ubeids..

              Yeah, but instead of digging canals in the desert, they began to sow and reap where it was wet. It's more profitable. Most likely the Egyptians did the same thing and got screwed.
        2. +2
          7 October 2023 08: 10
          Quote: paul3390
          But they originally got into this nightmare with feijoas?? When all around there were, in general, quite decent lands in those days?

          Well, at least - not very kind, and very warlike neighbors, who liked their hunting grounds, drove them to where they themselves did not want to go. But for those who were driven, there was no particular way out, either the neighbors would eat them, or they would be eaten by crocodiles, or you would work your ass off to survive. Little by little, they learned to work as a team, got organized, built what ancient Egypt began with, multiplied, and suddenly noticed that they were now stronger than those who drove their ancestors into the former swamps, and now fields and settlements in the lower reaches of the Nile.
          And the neighbors continued to live a nomadic life in places fertile for hunter-gatherers in small tribal groups - larger ones cannot be fed by hunting-gathering. And then the former victims, and now the Egyptians, came to them with an answer. And since the Egyptians did not consume people, even their enemies, and could not sacrifice too many to the gods at once, they found use for them in hard work - this is how slavery was born.
          Of course, it is greatly simplified and exaggerated - if you write it more scientifically and in detail, you will get a multi-volume book - but in the first, roughest approximation, it’s something like this.
        3. +3
          7 October 2023 08: 27
          There were natural date palm gardens there. They are distinguished by high yield, high calorie content of fruits and long shelf life even in hot climates.
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 10: 15
            Yes, it grows in many places. Even in the desert.
        4. +5
          7 October 2023 09: 04
          Quote: paul3390
          fertile lands

          There is a classic misconception here. The first civilizations of Egypt and Mesopotamia are interpreted as having arisen in areas fertile for agriculture. But this is not at all true! The original landscape of those places is a giga-swamp with extremely unpleasant conditions for existence. Lower Egypt and Southern Mesopotamia are almost like this even now. There you have all sorts of reptiles, insects, diseases, and unpredictable floods - brrrrr... Only despair could drive people to such places. And only the hard work of dozens of generations turned these territories into oases. It’s true - then the Arabs came and ruined everything, but for several thousand years there truly was heaven on earth.

          But they originally got into this nightmare with feijoas?? When all around there were, in general, quite decent lands in those days?

          The benefits of the seasonal flooding of the Nile in terms of land use outweighed all the disadvantages.
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 10: 20
            Yes. The benefits are undeniable - when you already have an irrigation system. And when not, a flooded swamp is not the best place to live. And what is characteristic is that there are almost no traces of the Paleolithic in the Nile Valley. At least compared to its neighbors. Before the appearance of the Proto-Egyptian population, it seems that somehow they were not very eager to go there..
            1. +3
              7 October 2023 12: 46
              You say: the river carries all traces into the sea. What are you going to find there? The Nile flooded wide
        5. +2
          7 October 2023 09: 52
          Quote: paul3390
          The original landscape of those places is a giga-swamp with extremely unpleasant conditions for existence. Lower Egypt and Southern Mesopotamia are almost the same now.

          There will be more about this ...
        6. +1
          7 October 2023 11: 24
          So the peculiarity of Sumer as a civilization is the developed (for its time) irrigation around city-states, each with its own. Plus, then Southern Mesopotamia, judging by palynological analysis, was much less swampy. More likely even arid.
        7. 0
          7 October 2023 12: 24
          Quote: paul3390
          The original landscape of those places is a giga-swamp with extremely unpleasant conditions for existence.

          The tragedy of the ancient Egyptians, who periodically starved at the same time, is that they, at the same time, did not have rice at that time and in the flooded fields they grew relatively dry-loving cereals. If they had rice, they could grow it continuously and extract silt for fertilizer from the bottom of the river with dredges all year round - a good subject for some kind of essay about the latest arrivals.
      5. +3
        7 October 2023 08: 19
        Quote: SVD68
        Living in one place is forced by property that cannot be carried away.

        In those days, people lived in consanguineous communities, where people were bound by collective labor and consumption based on blood relationships.
        And they could only change their place of residence as a community, under arable conditions, when the land was depleted.
        They had common property, and leaving the community simply meant dying.
        1. +3
          7 October 2023 09: 11
          I think that the custom of “kidnapping the bride” existed in one form or another, otherwise the closely related displacement of blood is a rather natural gallows thing in the long term.
          So, with all the general rules, there were apparently exceptions.
          1. +3
            7 October 2023 11: 33
            No. It was in agricultural communities that relationships began to be practiced when a father, after the death of his wife, marries his daughter in order to retain his property. A classic motif in all ancient mythologies, combed into later times. It is also genetically confirmed.
            Inbreeding was a taboo among hunter-gatherer tribes, and since wives were often taken from them - and they didn’t mind, in the village it was more satisfying than in a hut - hence the mythological motives for the daughter’s escape from the family. Still, cultural traditions are passed on to the daughter from her mother and grandmother.
        2. +2
          7 October 2023 09: 22
          Where did the idea to plant something even come from? How could it have arisen among wild plant gatherers? Only from a settled tribe, which at first went around the area to collect. And so, in order not to go on several day trips, the idea might arise to plant it next to housing. Planting and growing is labor-intensive, but going on several day trips and carrying it from there is also labor-intensive. And dangerous. This logically explains the idea of ​​planting, and not collecting, what has grown on its own.
          That is, the idea of ​​planting plants could not have arisen among tribes that had not yet settled.
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 10: 48
            Where did the idea to plant something even come from?

            More interestingly, where could the idea of ​​imprisoning someone even come from? what wink
          2. +3
            7 October 2023 11: 36
            Yes, elementary.
            We collected ancient grains at different stages of ripening and noticed that where a lot fell last year, more grew this year. Like the same Natufians. In general, they have very few places suitable for temporary settlements; they were squeezed by the desert for a couple of thousand years, and they survived as best they could.
            Life expectancy is 21-25 years, by this age the teeth are worn down, bone analysis reveals rickets, iron deficiency, and other unpleasant things. A type of arthritis in adolescence due to the grinding of blood vessels from solid stone.
            Although, the youngest boy from Sungiri also has it, and he was 7-9 at the time of his death.
            1. +4
              7 October 2023 12: 20
              This is exactly how it was described in Svirin’s “Expedition to the Ancestors.” I remember it from childhood and liked it.
      6. +1
        7 October 2023 11: 00
        Such property is natural gardens: date, olive, grape.

        At the parking lot of the Kostenki complex, the Aurignacians lived for who knows how many thousands of years. Without any gardens or vegetable gardens...
        1. +2
          7 October 2023 11: 41
          They never lived there for a day. Aurignac is completely different, and in a different place. He's European.
          Kostenki is an eastern Gravettian, which side is it related to Aurignacian? It is later than all local cultures. The Kostenki people lived in Kostenki, they are the Streltsy culture, most of the remains of dwellings are what they are.
          1. +2
            7 October 2023 12: 18
            Yes, you drive. The early layers are 45 thousand years old, what the hell is Gravett??

            The stump is clear - they didn’t live. And dwellings, tools and garbage heaps were dragged there by specialists from all over the area, for future archaeologists...
        2. +1
          7 October 2023 12: 49
          Quote: paul3390
          In the parking lot of the Kostenki complex

          Why do you think it's in the parking lot? Not in the city, not in the settlement, but in a parking lot.
    2. +2
      7 October 2023 09: 52
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

      It is likely that the external environment has a greater influence on the tendency to live in one place or to wander. But a lot of things are inherent in a person from the very beginning.

      Yes, a combination of favorable factors.
      For example, Kostenki in the Voronezh region. This is truly a “unparalleled” thing.

      On a 10-kilometer section along the Don - 60!!! sites, age from 45 to 15 thousand years BC!!!

      And without any wheat.

      What made you live in one place for 30 years?! belay
      1. +4
        7 October 2023 11: 08
        What made you live in one place for 30 years?!

        I think - constant migration routes of tasty and healthy large animals passing through this place. Well - and a fish from the Don...
      2. +3
        7 October 2023 12: 00
        Who told you that they lived there permanently? Stupidly convenient place.
        In the same Zaraysk, for example, a parking lot on a parking lot is often imprinted into one another, the reuse of the previous pits, the inventory is identical, the structure of the housing is one to one, and according to the dating, there are easily one and a half thousand years between them.

        In the Upper Paleolithic there were no permanent dwellings; it was entirely nomadic, following large animals, with occasional seasonal stops, either in places rich in small animals, or where large animals hibernate. They could have taken a very long time to return, since the entire human population for all of Europe right up to the Urals is from 20 to 45 adults at a time.
        1. +1
          7 October 2023 12: 23
          There were no permanent dwellings in the Upper Paleolithic

          Are these your personal memories of those times? Or was it just fantasy? Because, say, the hunter tribes of North America had permanent settlements. Yes, they went for a long time and far away to hunt, but they constantly returned to the places of deployment of the rest of the tribe. First of all, because large animals do not wander around the steppe anywhere, but usually have clear routes of movement. Again, the bison came, caught, and withered. The bison have left - we hunt deer and other animals. The area never remains empty - you can always eat someone.
          1. +1
            7 October 2023 12: 55
            Or maybe those tribes that picked up a hoe began to have permanent settlements?
          2. +2
            7 October 2023 13: 03
            What tribes of hunters in North America had permanent settlements? The Sioux were nomadic. The Delaware had seasonal settlements. The Iroquois were engaged in agriculture.
            1. +4
              7 October 2023 13: 24
              Google "Mississippi culture", half of the tribes there were engaged in agriculture. Basically they grew corn and were proud of it.
      3. +2
        7 October 2023 12: 50
        The parking lots are not a settled settlement, much less a city. They didn't live there, but stayed there. If there was wheat, we would have overtaken Egypt and Mesopotamia
  3. +6
    7 October 2023 05: 48
    Now in their settlements people began to build special religious buildings!

    How then to explain the Gobekli Tepe phenomenon? After all, its earliest layers date back to the Mesolithic! Before the Neolithic Revolution. Before agriculture and settlements. Its first creators were clearly the surrounding tribes of hunter-gatherers. Meanwhile, the complex was the most powerful for those times. And only 5 percent has been excavated - it looks like they are simply afraid to dig further...
    1. +6
      7 October 2023 06: 26
      Quote: paul3390
      It looks like they are simply afraid to dig further...

      What?
      1. +5
        7 October 2023 06: 39
        Collapses of numerous quarries built on statements that will become untenable after the continuation of excavations.. Göbekli Tepe already went over many past buildings with a red-hot broom - after all, it was previously believed that the level of Mesolithic society was fundamentally incapable of such a concentration of efforts. As in it and there seems to be no need for such structures. But they do exist - and I personally have not yet come across a clear explanation for their existence.

        It is also striking that the temple complex existed for several thousand years. And then - it was not abandoned, but carefully covered with earth. Moreover, the volume of backfill work is almost equal to the construction work. It's all strange somehow. Doesn't fit into classical theories...
        1. +4
          7 October 2023 07: 16
          Many dolmen megaliths were built in the same way for decades from huge stones, and then covered with a mound. New fashion has arrived
          1. +4
            7 October 2023 07: 24
            Are you talking about something like Brú na Bóinne or Carrowmore? Yes - they are also extremely amazing and incomprehensible structures, but - they still seem to be thousands 5 years younger ..
            1. +3
              7 October 2023 07: 37
              Well, the fashion for burying came, and they buried it. Same thing with Gobekli
        2. 0
          7 October 2023 09: 53
          Quote: paul3390
          Collapses of numerous quarries built on claims that will become untenable after excavations continue.

          No one is afraid to bring them down, because there are always those willing! There just isn't enough money. At Khirokitie in Cyprus, 48 ​​houses have been excavated, but there are many more. And that's it... there is no more money.
        3. +3
          7 October 2023 12: 34
          Quote: paul3390
          Collapses of numerous quarries built on claims that will become untenable after excavations continue.
          Why suddenly? Look - in the mid-20th century, physicists had to come up with a new theory every year because of newly discovered particles - and nothing, no one’s career ended, it seems. Quite the contrary.
        4. +1
          7 October 2023 17: 51
          Quote: paul3390
          Moreover, the volume of backfill work is almost equal to the construction work.

          You will also need to know about this. Specially!
    2. +1
      7 October 2023 22: 12
      After all, its earliest layers date back to the Mesolithic!

      It may very well be that wild wheat is the explanation. They wrote that the first granaries and permanent houses appeared in those parts even before the Younger Dryas.
  4. +7
    7 October 2023 06: 20
    Houses made of clay, dishes made of stone... Savages, with
  5. +5
    7 October 2023 07: 33
    In Eridu, the temple stood in one place for 3 years

    In Eridu - according to the Royal List, the first reign after the Flood descended from heaven. And before the Flood, there were also the earliest kings. And in general, this place is the first that was created after the separation of light from darkness and the emergence of the earth from the primordial chaos. It’s no wonder that the Enki temple was revered there for so long..
  6. +5
    7 October 2023 08: 26
    There are no burials of old people, although the inhabitants of Khirokitia - and this has been proven - lived in this place for more than a thousand years. There are a lot of children’s burials, but where could the old people have gone?
    There was no written language, so a death certificate with notes from the funeral home about the burial was not issued. As an option, those who lived to an old age were considered to have achieved enlightenment and worthy of burial at sea, fortunately the shore was not far away, and there were boats or at least rafts. There are many people in the sea who want to gnaw the meat from a dead person. And sea water will dissolve bones over several decades, not to mention centuries. And here's a scientific riddle for you - where did the old people go? And their fellow tribesmen believed that those buried in the sea rose, broke the endless chain of reincarnations, and moved to a new state in another world.
    1. +3
      7 October 2023 09: 20
      A very decent version. However, we can find out the truth if we invent a time machine or some kind of “excavator operator”...
    2. +2
      7 October 2023 09: 56
      Quote: Nagan
      And here's a scientific riddle for you - where did the old people go? And their fellow tribesmen believed that those buried in the sea rose, broke the endless chain of reincarnations, and moved to a new state in another world.

      Great idea!
      1. +4
        7 October 2023 20: 41
        They were buried at sea. Great idea!

        Excellent? Let's just say it's not very good. According to modern historians and archaeologists, in their beliefs the Khirokitians were very close to the Zoroastrians. And many people mistakenly consider Zoroastrians to be ordinary fire worshipers. And although fire was the most important of the elements, water, earth and wind were also sacred. Zoroastrians believe that after death the body of an adult becomes unclean, so it cannot be buried in earth or water. Burn accordingly too. The bodies of the dead were either carried to the top of the hill into a drachma tower (these structures were used to dispose of corpses) and left to be devoured by animals and birds, or thrown into volcanoes, if they were nearby. And the Khirokitians had the active Columbo volcano “at hand”, and Khirokitia itself is located only 7 km from the island of Santorini. Why not a version?
        1. 0
          8 October 2023 06: 59
          Quote: Richard
          7 km from Santorini island

          Is Cyprus 7 km from Santorini?
    3. +2
      7 October 2023 10: 23
      lived to an old age

      Well - for example, like many peoples, they could go to die in the desert so as not to be a burden.. what
      1. +1
        7 October 2023 20: 58
        Khirokitia in Cyprus, as far as I know, there seem to be no deserts there.
    4. +3
      7 October 2023 12: 07
      Why should good things go to waste? Children's burials inside multi-walled houses, so that the young soul would guard the room, are the norm in many places, and since the Neolithic.
      And for the elderly - a heavenly funeral, including through the right to choose where to go and die there.
      In Japan, until recently, it was generally practiced, called "ubasute"
  7. +1
    7 October 2023 09: 42
    There are no burials of old people, although the inhabitants of Khirokitia - and this has been proven - lived in this place for more than a thousand years. There are a lot of children’s burials, but where could the old people have gone?

    They haven't gone anywhere. At the end of the Neolithic era (around the 20th-33rd millennium BC), the average life expectancy was, according to various estimates, from XNUMX to XNUMX years.
    1. +6
      7 October 2023 09: 58
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      average duration

      There have always been those who lived to be 75. Moreover, in 1000 years, someone would have lived to see it. But no such burials were found.
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 13: 38
        There have always been those who lived to be 75. Moreover, in 1000 years, someone would have lived to see it. But no such burials were found.

        Give examples of discovered burials of people of this age during the specified period.
    2. +2
      7 October 2023 10: 24
      They haven't gone anywhere. At the end of the Neolithic era (around the 20th-33rd millennium BC), the average life expectancy was, according to various estimates, from XNUMX to XNUMX years.

      There is always a question about the methodology for calculating and recording child mortality. Like the peasants of pre-revolutionary Russia.

      20 were born, 10 died before one year, 10 lived to 60.
      So much for the average duration of 30 years. wink

      In all developed countries, doctors are very harshly punished for child and especially infant mortality.
      Not only because children are our future.
      This mortality rate really spoils the statistics. angry
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 13: 39
        There is always a question about the calculation method

        In this case, the question is not in the methodology, but in familiarity with the question.
    3. 0
      7 October 2023 12: 12
      And it was like that in medieval Europe, and it remained like that until the 19th century.
      However, some survived.
      By the way, in the Neolithic there are known burials of old people, at the age of 50-60 years. Dozens.
      If they are not present in a particular culture, this does not mean that they are not present in the entire period.
      This is how ceramics are found in the Paleolithic. And bifaces - in the eastern Gravettian, from which to bifacial techniques - this is 10 = 15 thousand years. One of these himself (of the three, the only gravetts in the East, and the only one in one piece) was raised from the days of the storage pit of the Kostenkovsko-Avdeevskaya dugout.
    4. +1
      7 October 2023 12: 37
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      At the end of the Neolithic era (around the 20th-33rd millennium BC), the average life expectancy was, according to various estimates, from XNUMX to XNUMX years.
      The average life expectancy is poor: five died before 3 years of age, one died at 60. Their average life expectancy is 12.5 years.
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 13: 40
        Life expectancy is bad

        Provide specific data for the period under review.
        1. -1
          7 October 2023 14: 48
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          Provide specific data for the period under review.
          Contact Rosstat
  8. +3
    7 October 2023 10: 58
    12000–9000 BC e. – Epipaleolithic (the more familiar name to us is Mesolithic, “Middle Stone Age”) – the oldest long-term settlements.

    9000–6500 BC e. – Pre-ceramic Neolithic: the beginning of agricultural production, the emergence of rituals.

    6500–5500 BC e. – ceramic Neolithic (Hassoun, Samarra cultures): the emergence of crafts.

    5500–4200 BC e. – Chalcolithic – “Copper-Stone Age” (El-Ubeid period): the first regional centers and administrative structures.

    4200–3100 BC e. – Chalcolithic (Uruk period): growth of cities, emergence of writing.


    Well, it's complete nonsense.
    1. The Epipaleolithic is the end of the Pleistocene, the Mesolithic is the beginning of the Holocene. This is even written about in school textbooks.
    2. The Mesolithic and Epipaleolithic differ like the pre-Petrine era and the NEP. They have nothing in common at all. "Mesolithic revolution? No, you haven't heard!" Sorokin should at least be revered, he is a guru in the field. The Mesolithic is the final transition from a clan group to a family. Big game disappeared, we had to adapt to the fact that the main game was small things. The Mesolithic is the departure of man to watercraft; in the Paleolithic there is no trace of this. There are isolated remains of large fish that were killed from the shore, but you won’t find a kilogram of pike bones in the trash there.
    3. The Pre-ceramic Neolithic is the emergence of cattle breeding in the first place, agriculture as such appeared in the Ceramic Neolithic, the same Natufians were not farmers, they frankly had “observational gathering”, a transitional form. Cattle breeding cannot act as the main type of agriculture, because then the Mongols also went from their villages to Rus'.
    4. The emergence of crafts as a marker of the ceramic Neolithic is nonsense in a cube. There were craftsmen and schools of crafts in the pre-ceramic Neolithic.
    5. The concept of “Eneolithic” disappeared from foreign circulation in the mid-90s, from domestic use in the early 00s, for about 10 years now even in textbooks for Unified State Examination victims the concepts “Chalcolithic”, “Copper-Stone Age” have been used. Although, of course, it is stone-copper.
    6. How is the Uruk period related to the Chalcolithic? This is early Bronze in general. Its marker is the emergence of city-states, which is what Uruk is. Large villages like Catal Huyuk existed before

    Everything was mixed up in the Obolonskys’ house...

    The very topic of the article is that the next leap in civilization - a real breakthrough - was the presence of religious buildings - without comment at all.

    "The Kostenok palace complex? No, you haven't heard, the Chukchi is not a reader." Meanwhile, it is 8-9 in diameter, and the internal layout is clearly ritualistic. Similar ones are known across Europe, but smaller. They are known from both the Willendorf-Kostenki and Kostenki-Avdeevka cultures. I also remember something similar about the madeleine.

    The article is a minus, since it is compiled as a compilation of speculation, and is based on a deliberately false chronology.
    Also without calibrations, which have been on everyone’s lips for 10 years; Now there is an active extension of C14 dating, and the older they are, the greater the value they are calibrated to. The Epipaleolithic, for example, is 18-20 thousand years ago. And, for the future, this is the Paleolithic, with the prefix “BC.” not used.
    To the Mesolithic in works on the Mesolithic, by the way, too. But, for school textbooks and extracurricular educational literature, it is acceptable.
    1. +3
      7 October 2023 11: 14
      the departure of man to watercraft, there is no trace of this in the Paleolithic

      Controversial thesis. Yes - no boats from that era have been found, so many years have passed! And there are plenty of indirect signs. For example, how did people end up in Australia without watercraft? What about other islands? Plus - say, obsidian from Melos among continental cultures. Yes, there is a lot to remember.
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 13: 20
        Through Sahul to Skunda on the Rissa ice maximum, so what? This is the first wave.
        The second and third had already crossed during the ice maximum of Wurms, it was visually visible there.
        In exactly the same way, the Clovis found themselves on foot in America through Beringia.
        So what?
        1. +3
          7 October 2023 15: 08
          Yes. And the strait - as I understand it, didn’t bother them at all? Australia itself has never been connected to the mainland...

          Okay - for dessert. How do you explain the Olduvai guns on Socotra? It's 400 km from Arabia. And again - in the memory of mankind, Socotra was definitely not a continent. AND?? How do you think the Habilis got there, judging by the guns? Not even erectuses - habilis! Alas for you - only by sea...
    2. +2
      7 October 2023 11: 38
      I also remember something similar about the madeleine.

      According to the madeleine, it is more likely the appearance of cult objects, such as “ruler’s staffs”.
      1. +1
        7 October 2023 14: 18
        I also remember something similar about the madeleine.

        It is quite interesting to watch individuals who cannot spell the word “compilation” speak with aplomb about Magdalénien and archaeological periods. For real, Neanderthals get up from their knees.
        1. +5
          7 October 2023 14: 34
          I disagree here; everyone makes typos. Anatoly argues from the point of view of a professional archaeologist who deals with this particular era. By the way, it was at his suggestion that I began to become interested in works on historical psychology.
          1. +4
            7 October 2023 15: 34
            Anatoly argues from the point of view of a professional archaeologist

            Maybe I'm wrong, but for a professional archaeologist there is too much aplomb towards colleagues. In order to make such categorical judgments in the field of paleoanthropology, one must be at the level of Louis Leakey.
            1. +6
              7 October 2023 15: 53
              for a professional archaeologist there is too much aplomb towards colleagues.
              Professional deformation, many people sin.
              1. +4
                7 October 2023 18: 15
                Professional deformation

                Professional deformation, logically, should be accompanied by significant professional achievements.
                1. +2
                  8 October 2023 00: 37
                  Professional deformation, logically, should be accompanied by significant professional achievements.

                  Messire, it’s strange that you haven’t read books on the psychology of security forces.
                  What you said is an oxymoron, a mistake and your personal opinion, with all my many years of respect.
                  It should not be accompanied by any achievements. It's just a way of life.
              2. +3
                7 October 2023 19: 13
                What needs to happen to avoid professional deformation?
                1. +3
                  7 October 2023 21: 07
                  What needs to happen to avoid professional deformation?

                  Naturally - professional elasticity and plasticity. If you remove the words “professional” from your question and my answer, then it will be pure evidence smile
                  1. +3
                    7 October 2023 23: 15
                    Sometimes these words are synonymous with “sustainability.” Which, for example, is divided into “resistant” and “elastic”. And this is about ecosystems, or, in general, systems theory.
                2. +4
                  8 October 2023 00: 35
                  What needs to happen to avoid professional deformation?

                  Working in the same position for several years. Especially in law enforcement agencies.
    3. Fat
      +4
      7 October 2023 11: 51
      Quote: AllBiBek
      The Epipaleolithic, for example, is 18-20 thousand years ago. And, for the future, this is the Paleolithic, with the prefix “BC.” not used.

      Well, of course, you recalculated from BC to the present day? Who said that C14 dating is reliable and flawless? It is often called "before the physicists" dating.
      After a decent amount of nuclear testing, it became vague. And in 1954, when the standard for C14 was approved and the date counting down to our time, physicists produced enough A-bombs that carbon dating was difficult. There are dates based on other isotopes, which are no more reliable, but provide the opportunity for comparison and clarification. request
      1. +4
        7 October 2023 13: 27
        She's not even the only one there. For example, thermoluminescent gives better results.
        More core stratigraphy and further palynology.
        More... Yes, a lot more. In general, all advanced techniques are developed in the Upper Paleolithic; this is the most complex section of archeology as such in terms of techniques. We often use needles to pick out holes there.
        And removing an artifact can take 4 months, with hundreds of measurements and fixations. And all this - on the camera and on the tachometer. Now still under drone cameras.
        1. +6
          7 October 2023 14: 29
          and to the tachometer

          And what does the mysterious “tachometer” device reveal in terms of the “Neolithic revolution”?
          Question - how do the mysterious “tachometer” and the geodetic “technometer” relate?


          1. Fat
            +6
            7 October 2023 17: 10
            Quote from Frettaskyrandi
            And what does the mysterious “tachometer” device reveal in terms of the “Neolithic revolution”?
            Question - how do the mysterious “tachometer” and the geodetic “technometer” relate?

            hi In terms of the Neolithic revolution, such a tacheometer does not reveal anything.
            Helps make an excavation plan and record all stages of work.
            If you also use aerial photography from a drone. The routine work of binding, measuring and sketching is simplified by an order of magnitude.
            This is not a TT-5 with a body kit, not a kipregel with mensula from the 60s... But the 21st century in the field...laughing drinks
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            8 October 2023 12: 18
            "There's nothing to complain about - just pick on the spelling."
            We also periodically call lidar ledar, and?
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    5. +3
      7 October 2023 13: 59
      The Mesolithic is the departure of man to watercraft; in the Paleolithic there is no trace of this.

      I wonder how Homo erectus got to the island of Java?
      1. +2
        8 October 2023 00: 39
        I wonder how Homo erectus got to the island of Java?

        He rode up on an erectus. Joke. I won’t give examples from YouTube, because the language is offensive.
    6. +4
      7 October 2023 16: 06
      Quote: AllBiBek
      permissible

      Oh, thanks. By the way, for the compilation on this topic, the works of the following specialists were used: David W. Phillips - Director of the Museum of Archeology and Anthropology, Cambridge University,
      Carl Bridge, Head of the Center for Australian Studies, University of London, Stephen Sheynam - Professor of Theoretical Archeology, University of London, Peter Slaglett - Professor of History, Director of the Center for Middle East Studies, Clive Gamble - Professor of Archeology, University of Southampton, David Aboulafia, Lecturer in Mediterranean History, University of Cambridge, Joan Oates - Research Fellow, Institute of Archaeological Research, University of Cambridge
      It is clear that they are all “bad” because they are British. But still...
    7. +3
      7 October 2023 17: 55
      Quote: AllBiBek
      compilation of speculation, and is based on a deliberately false chronology.

      Dear Anatoly! Could you write your own material on the same topic, as a response, so to speak, from a “specialist” and give the “correct” chronology with links to modern and authoritative sources. Otherwise, all my sources are English, the bastards could have lied... I’m sure all VO readers would be very grateful to you!
      1. +3
        7 October 2023 19: 14
        A typical excuse when I wrote something stupid and off topic. laughing
        1. +2
          8 October 2023 07: 03
          Quote: ee2100
          A typical excuse when I wrote something stupid and off topic.

          If a person is a specialist, then it costs him nothing to do this. That is, write everything correctly, indicating the compilation sources. And this will be the best “answer to Chamberlain.” By the way, you promised material about two castle-towers. Is it really so difficult to write 8000 characters about two small buildings?
  9. +6
    7 October 2023 11: 25
    I don’t know which sources the author uses, but they are clearly stagnant. There is a good site N+1, where there are many articles, including: dedicated to the problem of the Neolithic and archaeological finds in the territory of the so-called. blessed crescent. There are studies that convincingly prove that migration from East Africa took place through the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait.
    And the territory of the Arabian Peninsula was not the desert that we see now.
    In other places, like the mentioned territory of the modern Voronezh region (Kostenki, Borshchevo, Ukrainian district), people of the Neolithic period also lived quite successfully. And I’m sure that there are many such places around the world, just not all have been found, and buildings made of wood are short-lived.
    Now probably no one will be able, even on the basis of new archaeological data, new research methods, to say how the development of human society developed during the early Neolithic period (A).
    And it was probably necessary to note that the Neolithic people are, in fact, us.
    1. +3
      7 October 2023 12: 09
      There are many such places around the world, just not all have been found

      And they won't find it. Most likely, the first settlements were along the banks and in river deltas. But over the past thousands of years, the coastline has changed a lot... Everything is at the bottom of the sea.
      1. +5
        7 October 2023 12: 30
        It is clear that not everyone will find it, but if there is funding, they will definitely find something.
        And of course, science does not stand still and new methods of studying even old samples provide interesting data.
        To build a model on the basis of “here we found a lot of things, which means this is the origin of everything” is not entirely correct. In the 20th century it was justified - at least some kind of model. Now, probably, few people will be able to set their sights on such a model, our William!
    2. +4
      7 October 2023 13: 39
      In vain you are so.
      Geology helps us a lot, and it’s geologists who give us the terrain for the period of interest (not often, but still).
      And then everything is simple, if there are a coincidence of two or three conditions for them to be interested in living here - rest assured, they lived here.
      The output of raw materials, for example, is a reinforced concrete marker. An elevated platform for viewing the surrounding area, too. And so on, according to the Neolithic there are 9 of them.
      We also use the direction of soil movement and its speed, although paleosoil scientists also try.

      However, to be fair, Zaraysk, Avdeeva, Balka, and Byki were discovered by accident. It turned out funny with Avdeev and Zaraisk.

      But the discussion is not about them, and the Neolithic is not my topic. It’s boring, there are no global settlements in our area. 2-3 layers, then they migrated to a new place, dug up traditional half-dugouts, laid out fields and vegetable gardens, and began to hoe them. And so on ad infinitum, and for another 2-3 thousand years with almost no changes.
  10. +1
    7 October 2023 12: 27
    Among the monuments of great interest in these areas is Gobekli Tepe, dating from ten to seven thousand years BC. For those who have seen photographs or videos, it will be truly impressive to see how the first civilizations were organized even then. And what has been discovered so far, they say, is still a small part. Experts say this could partially rewrite the history of early civilizations. If you are interested, you can search online and see the features of this ancient site.
  11. +4
    7 October 2023 13: 20
    And changes in human life at this time occurred that were, in fact, extremely important. Three significant innovations entered the life of our ancestors: settled life, rural settlements and cities.

    Taking into account the fact that the author in his articles, in fact, is engaged in the popularization of scientific knowledge (of course, he is not Kurt Keram, but it would be unfair not to give credit to his efforts in this direction), the cycle would seriously “grow beyond itself” if the reader could familiarize himself with alternative points of view on the issue that exist in science (not folhistri!!!).
    In relation to today's topic, it would be very interesting to consider the publication of the American evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond, “The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race.” Diamond calls the “Neolithic revolution” the worst mistake.
    The introduction of agriculture, supposedly a decisive step towards a better life, was in fact disastrous. With agriculture came the curses of social and sexual inequality, disease and despotism
    1. +5
      7 October 2023 13: 44
      This article by Diamond is perhaps the best of his works that can be offered for reading, because it is written briefly.
      1. +4
        7 October 2023 14: 36
        Well I do not know. He is, after all, an ornithologist by profession, and a self-taught person with complex thinking on other issues where he pokes his nose.
        "Collapse", for example, is written very well, and there is little to complain about.
        But “Guns, Germs, Steel” - stretching an owl onto a globe with 2/3 of the volume.
        However, for an ornithologist with such a global projection of aspects onto heaps of sciences into the chosen area, this can be forgiven.
        But the same Gold, within the framework of behavioral geography, does this much better.
        1. +4
          7 October 2023 14: 44
          But “Guns, Germs, Steel” - stretching an owl onto a globe with 2/3 of the volume.
          That's what I read crying
        2. +6
          7 October 2023 15: 05
          He is, after all, an ornithologist by profession.

          “By profile” he is a biochemist, doctorate degree - 1961, Cambridge.
    2. +2
      7 October 2023 13: 52
      Nevertheless, even Ryabov has fewer blunders on the issues raised than here.
      Three paragraphs were enough for me to be so bombarded that I logged in here again to be outraged by the incompetence.

      5 lines of chronology of events and periodicals. and all 5 with flagrant violations are bingo.

      In the first year of the history department, for such an answer in the subject “introduction to archeology” - and this is almost the first thing they take, previously only “introduction to historical science” - he would have been sent to retake it. Because the level is 10th grade, at 11th grade they at least hire tutors, they are preparing for the Unified State Exam.
      1. Fat
        +4
        7 October 2023 14: 34
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Nevertheless, even Ryabov has fewer blunders on the issues raised than here.
        Three paragraphs were enough for me to be so bombarded that I logged in here again to be outraged by the incompetence.

        5 lines of chronology of events and periodicals. and all 5 with flagrant violations are bingo.

        In the first year of the history department, for such an answer in the subject “introduction to archeology” - and this is almost the first thing they take, previously only “introduction to historical science” - he would have been sent to retake it. Because the level is 10th grade, at 11th grade they at least hire tutors, they are preparing for the Unified State Exam.

        hi Anatoly. That is great! If there were no “provocation” in the article, we would not have seen your wonderful amendments and additions.
        Although you deigned to be more indignant than to write about the matter.
        Nevertheless, thank you for condescending smile
        Sincerely
      2. +3
        7 October 2023 14: 36
        Three paragraphs were enough for me to be so bombarded that I logged in here again to be outraged by the incompetence.

        Well, you are also far from a model of competence.
      3. +2
        8 October 2023 07: 09
        Quote: AllBiBek
        In the first year of the history department, for such an answer in the subject “introduction to archeology” - and this is almost the first thing they take, previously only “introduction to historical science” - he would have been sent to retake it.

        What if the student indicated the sources of information and they were completely... “deserved”? And then what? There would be a scientific debate about whose garden vegetable is longer? So write material where everything would be corrected at the level that you consider correct. With links... It’s harder to read with them, but VO readers will somehow survive for such a case.
        1. +2
          8 October 2023 12: 15
          I don’t know where, how, but we would have sent someone like that to retake the Source Studies test, since the abstract uses outdated journalism for American schoolchildren as primary sources.
          In the case of the first course, they would give Sigurd Ottovich’s “Classification of Historical Sources” to read, and as a result they would ask a number of questions on the topic on the subject, how he understood what he read, and on what sources and how the author relied in writing.

          I know that you are extremely sensitive to criticism. I chalk it up to age. And don’t forget, in any topic you touch upon, there may be bigger fish, which has happened more than once.

          I try not to read your materials on very antiquities, because it makes my hair stand on end. But then I started tearing them off my head.

          Other stuff by you - I read it periodically, but I don’t read the comments. The materials on medieval studies are excellent.
          1. +1
            9 October 2023 11: 06
            Quote: AllBiBek
            you are extremely sensitive to criticism.

            Not at all, Andrey! But I am interested in substantive criticism, with links to sources. By the way, back in 2020, I asked you to write an article about children’s history camps and various... interesting things. Then you referred to Covid. Like, because of him you can’t go and see. Now we are not talking about going somewhere. You apparently have some sources that I don’t have. Write your material and it will be the best criticism. By the way, “outdated journalism for... (why American, I don’t understand?) schoolchildren” has not been canceled. There are opinions that some consider more correct, but others do not. Do you like Sigurd? Great! Steven Shanam is all I need. So try to overcome your fear of a blank sheet of paper and write... THREE YEARS have been waiting for the promised one, and now they have just passed!
          2. +1
            9 October 2023 11: 08
            Quote: AllBiBek
            And don’t forget, in any topic you touch upon, there may be bigger fish, which has happened more than once.

            The fish shouldn't just open its mouth. It must prove its size with evidence. Especially if no one here knows her.
    3. +4
      7 October 2023 22: 26
      "Against the Grain" by James Scott. And who else put forward such nonsense? For all my admiration for Diamond, this is some kind of nonsense. Recently there was an article based on materials from Italy - the quality of life of people during the transition to agriculture increased, and did not worsen. The problem is not in agriculture, but in people - as soon as there is a surplus of food that can be stored for a long time, all sorts of clever people immediately appear, figuring out how to use this surplus for their own benefit.
      1. +1
        8 October 2023 07: 10
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        All sorts of clever people immediately appear, figuring out how to seize these surpluses for their own benefit.

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  12. 0
    9 October 2023 22: 25
    I read that in the pre-Christian era, the Slavs had a custom of burying the dead under the threshold. It was believed that in this way the dead relative would protect the house from dark forces.
  13. +1
    13 October 2023 08: 53
    There was a tendency to live in one place for a long time, to build durable structures, and along with all this, rituals began to develop - a powerful factor in the cohesion of society.
    God... And for nomadic tribes, whose only means of survival was solely and exclusively working together for this very survival, cohesion is completely unnecessary. Well, really, why?) And a shaman who performs various rituals has never existed in nomadic tribes. Apparently it was invented by engineers to discredit bright humanitarian ideas.
    Well, what kind of stream of consciousness is this?! A wild disregard for elementary logic in the main premise, and then an unrestrained river of complete plague... Actually, rituals existed and developed long, very, very long before the moment when highbrow historians deigned to notice them. And brilliant archaeologists noticed all sorts of rituals because, with a sedentary lifestyle, rituals began to be carried out in one place, where tons of garbage began to accumulate.
    Of course, nomadic tribes performed very complex rituals in certain places where they periodically led their nomads. But this trifle does not fit into a brilliant idea, apparently into the germ of some kind of dissertation, or even into an entire “scientific” direction. Therefore, according to the peculiar ritual of historical “science,” the despicable reality is ignored. For the sake of a flight of fancy. God...