New U.S. Navy Short-Range Landing Ship

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One of the concepts of the ship, according to its performance characteristics of the corresponding LAW and with a look similar to that discussed in the Navy and the Marine Corps

May 5, 2020 NAVSEA, one of the commands of the US Navy, responsible for the creation of warships and their subsystems (Naval Sea System Command, command of naval systems with ten research centers for the combat use of different subsystems, weapons and ships and four shipbuilding enterprises that are part of the so-called Washington Naval Shipyard), held a briefing in which it confirmed that a series of mass, simple and cheap landing ships would be created to conduct landing operations by the U.S. Navy and the Marine Corps. Warships.

As part of the Marine Corps Reform


Such ships are required for their reform of the Marine Corps by its current commander, General Berger (see article "A Step Into the Unknown or Future of American Marines").



The plan of the commander of the American Marines, General Berger, among other things, provides for the dispersal of the US landing forces even at sea, on smaller than the usual DVKD and UDC, ships, which Berger considers it necessary to have in the amount of about 38 units.

And today we can see what these ships will be about. It became known that the US Navy issued requests to potential suppliers of a new type of landing craft, which would be created under the LAW program (Light Amphipious warship, or, in Russian, "Light Amphibious Warship"). True, while we are talking not about 38 ships requested by Berger, but about 28 or 30 units. But for now.

The design of this ship will allow it to be produced in virtually any quantities and anywhere.

Interestingly, the concept of the ship completely coincides with the one that the author at one time considered necessary to develop, though not for the US Navy, but for the Russian Navy.

Article “Attack from the sea. How to return the fleet landing capabilities ", published on November 27, 2018, a new type of medium landing craft (KFOR) was proposed, capable of landing a marine corps with equipment, having a landing ramp in the stern instead of a gate with a ramp in the bow, and an ordinary, “one-piece” stem, optionally - helicopter take-off and landing pad (without hangar) and some weapons.

Such a ship would be able to land second echelons on a cleaned shore or used where resistance is not expected, it would be cheap and massive. At the same time, he would completely surpass the classic BDK in seaworthiness and could move from fleet to the fleet through inland waterways (if necessary). Such a ship would not be a pity to lose: it is small, cheap, and there are few people on it, even compared to the BDK.

Today, a year and a half later, they plan to order a similar ship for themselves by the US Navy and with the same goals. Recall, according to General Berger's plans for reforming the Marine Corps, the task of Marines will be high-intensity combat operations to establish dominance at sea in the interests of the Navy and to advance the enemy landing on unoccupied or weakly protected islands, with the rapid deployment of anti-ship missiles on them and a further offensive.

At the same time, the first wave of landing traditionally for Americans can go through the air and on floating AAV armored personnel carriers, but the second one - on those very middle class cheap landing ships that would fit so well into the structure of the Russian Navy.

And which the American marines of General Berger will now use.

Technical part


According to the requirements of the US Navy, the ship should have a length of approximately 60 meters and a cargo deck of approximately 740 square meters. His crew should be no more than 40 people, and the minimum number of paratroopers that he must carry for a relatively long time is 75 people.

Cruising range at a speed of 14 knots should be 3500 nautical miles, fuel on board - about 390 tons.

The ship should be able to be used in waves of up to 5 points, and its navigation equipment and habitability should allow it to operate autonomously, outside the composition of the naval forces, if necessary.

One 13-ton crane is required.

In fairness, it should be noted that the appearance of the ship has not yet been determined, and, possibly, the landing of the landing from the stern will be reviewed. This specific issue is under discussion between the Navy and the Marine Corps. However, the likelihood that the architecture of the ship will be just that is high.

Very curious is the requirement that the life of the ship should be 10 years.

This goes against normal practice when a ship is being built for 20-40 years of service, and it looks as if the Americans are not planning a long service for these ships. And this is a very disturbing fact.

Intelligence signs


As already mentioned in the article on Berger's reform, the states of the marine corps battalions are currently being reviewed: they will decrease. The composition of the landing group of 75 people can tell how much. As a rule, the military tries not to “split up” units. On the other hand, there will definitely not be more than one company on such a ship. Thus, the minimum composition of the company, which is considered by the Americans, can be 75 people. Such a number "beats" to platoons of 25, and they are to the squads of 8 people plus the platoon commander. True, there are no longer any places for subordinates of the battalion commander, but the number of 75 people is indicated as the smallest possible.

Thus, the battalion "lose weight" due to the possible reduction of mouth. It becomes possible to predict which direction the revision of the battalion states will go.

But all this is a trifle against the backdrop of a 10-year lifetime. The Americans have experience in the mass construction of "disposable" ships. As an example, Liberty cargo ships, which became one of the symbols of World War II, can be cited. Some of them took quite a while, but were mostly written off in the first post-war years. Reason: their design, in principle, did not provide for long-term operation, their task was to live for several years and no more.

Such life requirements were made possible because the Liberty was built specifically for the war.

Now we are witnessing the construction of landing ships “especially for war”, those that are simply meaningless for peacetime conditions.

Those who monitor the mood in American "patriotic" circles know that the idea of ​​a war with China in the near future has already turned into the mainstream there - this is simply not being discussed. War with China in American society seems inevitable.

However, until recently, these were just words, and the words of people "from the people" who do not have real power.

But on May 5, 2020, it became a request for information from the US Navy. And this is a completely different matter.

Both Berger’s plan and this ship, which has been measured out to live only a few years according to the tactical and technical assignment, are a characteristic sign that America is preparing for war. There are already a lot of signs of such preparation today: these are nuclear warheads of reduced power on submarine ballistic missiles, and new fuses for them, which increase the accuracy of target destruction, and preparation for the deployment of medium-range missiles in Europe, and much more. But so far there have been no reconnaissance signs that would have accurately set the time frame for a future great war.

Now there is one such sign.

And the beginning of the production of these ships will be able to tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
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  1. -5
    8 May 2020 06: 07
    And the beginning of the production of these ships can tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war
    . against China? I am tormented by a vague doubt! ... them Eun, shook his fist, and the Yankees merged. These pelvis can take part in a small war, with some kind of "banana republic", which has only RPG-7 from the "coastal complexes" ...
    1. +9
      8 May 2020 06: 14
      They will not be alone, but for details - see the previous article on Berger's reform.
      On the contrary, these boats are consumables just for a big war, they can not only be built in large quantities, but also lost in large quantities.
      1. -7
        8 May 2020 06: 20
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        lose in large quantities.

        this is not for the Americans, their strategy is completely different and verified more than once. it is not theirs - the landing from the sea, from the Second World War it became clear. to iron them with "axes", and to supplement them with aviation, these are theirs, the risks are minimal.
        1. +9
          8 May 2020 09: 24
          Do you like the article in Russian and the Berger guidance in the original?
          Or did you forget Liberty, Skyhawks, and other similar examples from American practice? Do not give out your ideas about the subject as the subject itself.
        2. Ok
          0
          9 May 2020 16: 53
          Well, here you come to the point: after careful ironing, the shore is clean and sterile, now painted and glamorous come up to it hi
          1. +1
            9 May 2020 16: 58
            And then, from nowhere, a volley of a couple of MLRS divisions, 80 kilometers from the landing site, flies from anywhere to the landing site and is sucked into the coastal sand ....
            1. Ok
              0
              9 May 2020 17: 01
              such is their fate as comrade Putin said
              1. 0
                9 May 2020 17: 08
                These are American marines, so as Mr. Trump said :)
                1. Ok
                  0
                  9 May 2020 17: 25
                  after a volley of MLRS? what marines? what
      2. 0
        8 May 2020 06: 36
        Well, when many articles are written there is where to send an inquisitive reader!
        1. +3
          8 May 2020 09: 25
          And LeonidLa can also be sent, even without articles laughing
  2. +1
    8 May 2020 06: 08
    The planned breakdown is now in the US Army, and not just in household appliances, it turns out.
    1. 0
      8 May 2020 06: 15
      In the navy, in the army there is still old stuff that has been done for centuries.
      1. 0
        8 May 2020 14: 49
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        In the navy, in the army there is still old stuff that has been done for centuries.

        Obviously, this is unprofitable.
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 19: 44
          Unprofitable industry, but the Navy, why is ordering this? So they plan to use and expend during this period.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 19: 51
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            but the Navy then why order this?

            In order for industry to be profitable, it’s like with the planned obsolescence of household junk. Obviously the same.
            In extreme cases, the resource can always be extended, and then on to either keep yourself or sell / donate.
            1. +1
              8 May 2020 20: 22
              Promochka and without it can push through cancellation through the Navy.
              The question here is the reluctance to overpay for a long service life, which means that they guarantee they want to spend them in the indicated period.
              1. 0
                8 May 2020 21: 05
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                which means that they guarantee to use them in the indicated period.

                But this can be done in many ways. Not so simple (c)
  3. +1
    8 May 2020 06: 09
    I am not a sailor. I liked the picture.
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 06: 43
      Nazarius! That is why Mr. Timokhin is strong! In pictures, he is very convincing. But ... there was such a magazine "Voenny Zarubezhnik", which was sent to us, to those who should be, in sealed envelopes, there were few pictures and everything is black and white, but the content is always interesting. Then it was renamed into "Foreign Military Review" - the stamp and the code were removed, the mailing was open, the pictures were glossy, colored ... the content was no longer what an interested Soviet layman could read. The picture is far from the main thing. The main conclusions of the author. What is behind them and who is behind them, what is the author's motivation for. Is the author a professional? He understands what and why he depicts with weary calluses on his fingers?
      1. +2
        8 May 2020 06: 51
        "Foreign military review" even subscribed to in the 80s for several years. I did not understand everything, but I taught materiel as a schoolboy)))
        1. +3
          8 May 2020 09: 46
          Be careful with this guy, if you communicate with psychiatric patients, you can do considerable harm to your psyche.

          Pay attention to who you are talking to:

          https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

          и

          https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471
          1. 0
            10 May 2020 06: 35
            The loudest scream about the mental illnesses of others are the mentally ill themselves. Well, if Mr. Admiral-Amateur Timokhin had nothing more to say about the case, then it only remained to pour mud on others.
            1. +1
              10 May 2020 22: 25
              Well, back to the beginning then. In 1959, in the USSR, 6 years after the death of Stalin, you, in your own words, as a ten-year-old child with a body weight of about 20 kg swam underwater with an imported scuba gear that did not have a buoyancy compensator, which had the same mass as you, which means that in the water, you, a ten-year-old child, had to carry on your back a weight equivalent to 10 kg, that is, half your own.
              And do not drown.
              In 1959, buoyancy compensators have not yet been invented.

              Let’s tell the public about this, please. Very interesting.
              1. 0
                11 May 2020 08: 12
                Dear Mr. Sasha! I gave you two rappers giving you a tip for a year and a place. if you were an analyst, you would understand that this place was very difficult that year, and there were very unusual owls living there. The fact that someone was delivered an Italian scuba was no problem. The man was not refused, on the contrary, they showed a curiosity. There were loads, I put them on, although I was already very large then and had been swimming since the age of five. I swam at a depth of three meters, five minutes with a stakhovoy lane under the supervision of a couple of midshipmen. No more, alas. An unforgettable experience! We sat on the boat and drank a little beer and dad ... well, that's already the lyrics. Will this be unpleasant to you, the peasant son? You asked - I told. Yes, then he owned first "Ukraine", then "Submariner" ... And now there are at least five sets in the garage, in case of the arrival of friends ... Unfortunately, there are fewer of them ... Good health to you Sasha. Thank you for entertaining the old man.
                1. 0
                  11 May 2020 12: 57
                  if you were an analyst, you would understand that this place was very difficult that year, and very unusual owls lived there.


                  Well, it’s still not simple - to carry half of your weight on your back for ten years under water and not drown.
                  Iron people! Batman!
                  Then they made careers, became Napoleons, occupied separate boxes with soft walls! Received the hereditary Soviet nobility, the titles of barons and counts of the Soviet Union.
                  They defended dissertations on them, talked about them at lectures at medical institutes!
                  Lumps, not people! And you were the first among them there.
                  laughing laughing laughing
                  1. 0
                    11 May 2020 20: 04
                    Here V are right Sasha, has always been the best, irreplaceable, unlike you, a loser. And the nobility is still from the Tsar-Father ... You, a peasant son, should not be jealous, because in Soviet times they proudly scraped their pen "from the peasants of the poor", also a kind of "noble estate". Well, until the next article. It is desirable in the section "opinions" and with the appropriate words "in my opinion" "it seems to me that ...", "I think that this is how ...".
                    1. -1
                      11 May 2020 22: 40
                      Here Sasha is right, always was the best, irreplaceable


                      And then the USSR did not become and compulsory hospitalization with mental illnesses also did not become.
                      This is where the map popped up for you.
                      laughing
                      1. 0
                        11 May 2020 23: 21
                        Sasha You discuss the problems of psychiatry so much and with inspiration that I quite naturally believe that in this regard you have a great experience of staying in special hospitals and communicating with psychiatrists. As the saying goes, "Who hurts ..." But once you got the certificate, you may have received medical treatment.
                      2. 0
                        11 May 2020 23: 23
                        Weakly.
                        The fact that you are simply psychiatric clearly follows from what you write about yourself.
                        And how you do it.
                      3. 0
                        11 May 2020 23: 29
                        Sasha! From what you write about yourself ... You will receive an indicative lesson at the next opus "for the Fleet". Wait and find it.
                      4. -1
                        11 May 2020 23: 41
                        In just a few days, LeonidL. Prepare your evidence
                        laughing
                        You can attach an answer from Sportloto to them, a photo of the shoulder strap of the admiral general (a rare thing), a time moderator, and everything else you have there, a certificate of medical records, too, if you want.
      2. +2
        8 May 2020 16: 14
        Quote: LeonidL
        The main findings of the author.

        Fair thought. And it even seems to me that the author is right.
        I will explain why I made such a conclusion.
        According to the Thucydides trap theory - the concept that the conflict between the incumbent hegemon and his younger but more promising rival cannot fail to end in war - a serious conflict awaits us in the foreseeable future in the struggle for the possession of the islands of the South China Sea. T.N. disputed territories. For China, owning them is a matter of life or death for their economy. The Yankees will certainly get involved on the side of their allies. And to capture the archipelagos, such disposable inexpensive floating crafts are just needed (I can't call them ships, it seems inconvenient to call them barges).
        Therefore, the author’s input, it seems to me, is quite justified.
        1. +1
          8 May 2020 18: 01
          And again, the ball will be ruled by: "production capabilities, a large number, technical simplicity, success of the project."
      3. 0
        9 May 2020 08: 20
        I’m just now re-reading a military foreigner - ZVO, since 1931, there are no fundamental differences there.
        1. 0
          11 May 2020 22: 44
          Lyonya is just a sick person, he does not remember what it was like, he cannot distinguish "interesting" content from "uninteresting" ones.
          He does not understand those issues that are raised in the Western Military District, even at an amateurish level.
          He does not understand the meaning of what he read.
  4. +2
    8 May 2020 06: 26
    Those who monitor the mood in American "patriotic" circles know that the idea of ​​a war with China in the near future has already turned into the mainstream there - this is simply not being discussed. War with China in American society seems inevitable.

    For some time now, quarantine and some authors, and maybe readers of VO, will begin to follow the example of James Forrestal.
    1. +2
      8 May 2020 16: 23
      Quote: Amateur
      For some time now, quarantine and some authors, or maybe readers of VO, will begin to follow the example of James Forrestal

      ??? Russians are coming !!!
      So we have long been ready for the campaign ...
      But, damn it, quarantine, self-isolation, so to speak!
      Therefore, many in graphomania are hit by nothing to do. Itself is a sinner ...
    2. -1
      8 May 2020 19: 49
      Can you not "fly past the box office" at least once in your life?
      One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019




      Is it just that?
      1. -3
        8 May 2020 20: 02
        Can you not "fly past the box office" at least once in your life?
        One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019

        Thank God that Mr. Timokhin does not refer to Robert Heinlein. Star cockroaches are much cooler.
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 20: 21
          The idea is popular, that's what these books are about.
          And you again confirm your reputation as a person whose statements have zero significance.
  5. -3
    8 May 2020 06: 35
    Mr. Timokhin! The Americans are not, and you know about this better than others from the experience of communicating with the mister and sir, and from the personal experience of being in distant lands. And therefore oholonite, if the Americans wage a "big" war, then only with a small country. Ice on your head, a hot water bottle on your legs and sleep, Sasha! And there is no need even in a dream to mine the Baltic, to capture northern Norway, Spitsbergen. Not even needed in a dream.
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 07: 37
      The author should also go down on the concept.
      The design of this ship will allow it to be produced in virtually any quantities and anywhere. Interestingly, the concept of the ship completely coincides with the one that the author at one time considered necessary to develop, though not for the US Navy, but for the Russian Navy.
      Either the author makes vinaigrette from flies and cutlets, or ... Such a concept is only suitable for the USA and China, maybe even for Japan and the Kyrgyz Republic. With a huge production capacity. For the Russian Federation - no.
      1. +2
        8 May 2020 09: 39
        But regarding the landing of the second echelon of landing on such ships - very much so. And with us they do not have to be designed for 10 years, rather the opposite.
        1. 0
          11 May 2020 08: 14
          How many and where did the landing admiral Mr. Admiral-amateur Timokhin land? Well, if not in a dream ...
          1. 0
            11 May 2020 12: 52
            Well, you were lying in a mental hospital, it’s not for you to put in my face for life experience, LeonidL.
            By the way, you can still return there.
            1. 0
              11 May 2020 20: 08
              You Sasha have completely dispersed. Probably learned how to write articles and comments by exercising on the walls of public toilets? Well, an amateur analytical admiral, you write gray and stupidly without the slightest glimmer of creativity and intelligence, without that "sparkle" that falls like pearls in a heap of dung in your opus! Your main message is "This is how he is!" ... It's time to grow up, Sashulechka, otherwise you are becoming less and less interesting to me. We'll have to spank you in public. And so on until your next opus, and nobody reads this one already, and throwing beads in front of you is not with your hand. Generals do not take offense at children ... for the time being.
              1. -1
                11 May 2020 22: 38
                Generals do not take offense at children ... for the time being.

                So you are also a general? You have served in the Navy all your life, LeonidL.
                You are probably then Admiral General laughing
                But as?
                In the vicinity of Napoleon, did the pods live?
                laughing laughing
                1. 0
                  11 May 2020 23: 27
                  You yourself launched the "whole life" feature, alas, not all, you had to change the black form to the green one and vice versa. As well as wearing a jacket at work. I spoke about the "sovereign service". But you can't understand this, you didn't serve. And I am not the only one, my good friend served to a drop as a "black" catching papers, porno magazines, banknotes, etc. in the seas and oceans behind aircraft carrier groups, and then turned green ... In general, it is incomprehensible to resign in some papers caprases - on others colonel. And the complex of Napoleon's infallibility is clearly visible in you.
                  1. -1
                    11 May 2020 23: 37
                    LeonidL, you didn’t serve it.
                    With such a diagnosis, they do not take to the service.
                    Especially admiral generals.
                    laughing laughing
    2. 0
      8 May 2020 09: 27
      The third comment under the article. Of all 16.
      But why isn't your traditional "I'm not interested in you"?
  6. -2
    8 May 2020 07: 07
    from fleet to fleet through inland waterways (if necessary).
    Is this relevant for the USA?
    Such a ship would not be a pity to lose: it is small, cheap, and there are few people on it, even compared to the BDK.
    Liberty's ideas are alive! That's just .... That's just expensive and cute, cheap and rotten. And optimization of performance characteristics will not help much. Although it should be admitted that they fulfilled their task, so they were built 2500 ships.
  7. +4
    8 May 2020 07: 44
    There are a lot of questions left after reading
    . Marines' mission will be high-intensity naval dominance for the Navy

    Will the Marines establish dominance at sea? How? And why do they have a fleet?
    . landings on unoccupied or poorly protected islands, with the rapid deployment of anti-ship missiles on them, and further advance.

    Do the marines in service have coast-based anti-ship missile systems?
    And the main question is about 10 years.
    It is possible, but difficult, to understand if they plan these ships as suitable for release in wartime or at least in a threatened period.

    It is difficult because they understand that a war for several years with the landing and landing of the States is not foreseen in the foreseeable future. And which islands are they going to capture? And then how to make a further offensive if they are on an island?
    I would very much like to see a link to a source in which the service life of these ships is defined as 10 years.

    Regarding the link to the old article
    In it, the author in the first part suggests using supply vessels as substitutes for UDC, following the example of the British in the Falklands, when they quickly converted civilian vessels for aviation.
    In fact, the British now have such a ship on an ongoing basis - they took a container ship and converted it into an UDC analogue for auxiliary purposes, on which helicopters and airplanes are based, if necessary.
    In the second part of the article by reference, the author suggested building a KFOR, but not of the old type, but following the example of the new type "Stern landing vessel" developed in Australia - in fact, exactly what is described in this article, there was a video of its tests.
    As for the current article, for example, you can see an article about this concept "" next-generation medium amphibious ship design "KFOR next generation here
    https://news.usni.org/2020/02/20/navy-researching-new-class-of-medium-amphibious-ship-new-logistics-ships
    1. -3
      8 May 2020 09: 47
      About the marines, missiles and where they were going to fight.

      https://topwar.ru/169972-shag-v-neizvestnost-ili-kakim-budet-buduschee-u-amerikanskih-marines.html
      1. +4
        8 May 2020 10: 14
        This is a link to your article.
        I was interested in a link to sources, especially about 10 years.
        And in the tactics of capturing the islands, nothing new - the Americans did just that in World War II.
        1. +3
          8 May 2020 16: 45
          Quote: Avior
          And in the tactics of capturing the islands, nothing new - the Americans did just that in World War II.

          The tactics remained. The strategy has changed. In WWII, the capture of the islands was carried out mainly in the interests of the fleet - for the consistent approach of the basing points to the Japanese metropolis. The main striking force at these bases was precisely the fleet.
          Now the concept has changed: the marines do not take over the islands just to ensure the operations of the fleet. Now the enemy’s fleet has become the enemy’s fleet, with which they must fight with their aircraft, their anti-ship missiles and their artillery / rocket systems. In fact, the marine corps turned into the mobile forces of advanced coastal defense. smile
        2. +1
          8 May 2020 19: 55
          The link to my article explains about whether the MP has RCC and where they have it all.

          1. 0
            8 May 2020 19: 59
            the most important moment is 10 years
            1. 0
              8 May 2020 20: 02
              See comments above this from the NAVSEA briefing
            2. +2
              8 May 2020 22: 12
              Where is the most important? Why is everyone so obsessed with these 10 years?
              In the document cited by Timokhin, 10 years is in the column "minimum" That is, not less than 10 years. Accordingly, it is not a marker of anything.
              And it’s all the more ridiculous to consider this as evidence of an impending war with China. Although you yourself have not claimed anything like this, I cannot but comment.
              For the war with China, in Timokhinsky, you need not 38 or 138 such devices.
    2. +2
      8 May 2020 09: 55
      Quote: Avior
      a war for several years with the landing and landing of the States in the foreseeable future is not expected.

      They never foresee a war for several years. What with Korea, what with Vietnam.
      In this case, the goal is Iran. The exit point is KSA. A short route in fairly calm waters without ocean waves.
      Only here is a short war - with a multi-million army, and with a border with Russia and Azerbaijan (after all, western Iran, against which attacks will be directed, is populated by Azerbaijanis). There will be no small victorious war for control of the Strait of Hormuz. We must prepare for a long napalm rain.
      1. +2
        8 May 2020 10: 03
        Here is a word for word that you wrote before the war with Iraq
        Time and situation changed after the war with Vietnam
        1. 0
          10 May 2020 14: 44
          Of course, changed. In Vietnam, the presidents fought for pleasure, in Iraq - mafia clans cut money from the budget.
          But the haircut is sluggish. We must look for new fat flocks of petrodollars.
  8. +4
    8 May 2020 08: 22
    True, while we are talking not about 38 ships requested by Berger, but about 28 or 30 units. But for now.

    This number of ships is scanty in the understanding of a "big" war. Neither the Russian Federation nor China, with a landing of 2,5 thousand people, will not frighten. This amount will only be enough for Grenada and Panama.
    For such limited conflicts that the US President spends at least once for the presidency in order to get out for a second term, a relatively small amount of disposable (short term of operation) and cheap amphibious assault are needed.
    Now, if, after testing their production technology, they will order a few thousand more, then it will be possible for some to think bigger.
    But again, not to us and not to China. With such countries, no one in their right mind will fight as in the second world war. Here we need more sophisticated means, or an atomic, global war, or an economic blockade, or a “fifth column” war. And the second and third component of these "world" wars has been going against us for a long time.
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 09: 29
      So they still have landing ships.
  9. +4
    8 May 2020 09: 16
    > And the beginning of the production of these ships can tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
    it's so funny that I don’t even want to comment fellow
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 09: 30
      Another lover of America? Or what's so funny?
      If a ship is to be put into operation in 2025, which TTZ sweat should be written off in 2035, then they plan to use it between 2025 and 2035.
      Laugh at this simple fact, please.
      1. +5
        8 May 2020 09: 33
        > Another lover of America?
        umm? what? what
        > Laugh at this simple fact, please.
        hmm, horseradish you can argue, if in 1975 the Nimitz was put into operation, which TTZ sweat should be written off in 2025, then they plan to use it between 1975 and 2025
        1. -3
          8 May 2020 09: 34
          So it was used after 1975.
          With DK, it will be the same - it will certainly be put to use at the appointed ten, that is, after it it is not needed, everything is planned for earlier dates.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 09: 42
            > after it, it is not needed, everything is planned at an earlier date.
            damn, you’re an unrecognized genius, no, I understand everything, I need to intrigue the audience, write about the impending war, etc., but damn, didn’t we go through this a hundred times, it’s boring, as soon as someone increases purchases, then right away .... however you yourself can read what happens
            https://topwar.ru/136112-ssha-zakupayut-bolshoe-kolichestvo-artilleriyskih-snaryadov.html
          2. 0
            9 May 2020 08: 24
            He can defend the entire service in conservation by spending a resource on testing and on short-term reactivation on exercises. Do not think?
            1. 0
              10 May 2020 22: 20
              All thirty? No, I didn’t think so.
              1. 0
                10 May 2020 22: 27
                but in vain, a completely realistic option. He can defend forty years.
                1. 0
                  10 May 2020 22: 51
                  They cut naval ships, they don’t put them in canned food, and they suddenly order a series of 30 landing troops, and clearly after the commander of the MP says that for the future war many small landing ships will be needed, and is that all to immediately conserve them?
                  I need some reason to begin to consider such an option real.
                  1. 0
                    10 May 2020 22: 58
                    This is just the only sober one.
                    - maybe the War plan is. But to tie up the beginning of the war and the readiness of a series of barges is somehow not sensible.
                    - To summarize, the plan requires 100 barges, they need to be built to test and conserve. Several barges will be in constant use - testing tactics, crews and more. Once every three years, a crew of reservists was sent, or some other options - they were canned, put into the sea, played exercises, preserved.
                    1. 0
                      10 May 2020 23: 02
                      This will be how Liberty store.
                      1. 0
                        10 May 2020 23: 03
                        They just with conservation, everything was cool, unlike ....
  10. +5
    8 May 2020 12: 41
    And the beginning of the production of these ships will be able to tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
    The author wants the fame of Edgar Cayce and Abel so much that he forgets the fate of Cassandra and Rasputin.
    1. +1
      8 May 2020 19: 57
      Your vision of the question of why a series of landing ships with a service life of 10 years is needed, please.
      1. +2
        8 May 2020 21: 12
        Firstly, not "10 years" but "10 years, at a minimum", "ten years at least". Secondly, in the modern world, everything, including military concepts, changes rather quickly and building such ships for a longer period is a clear excess. It is easier to build new ones in ten years that will correspond to future realities. Or not build. By the way, the British are also considering options for such ships. Who will be attacked?
        1. -3
          8 May 2020 21: 43
          10 years minimum means that 10 years is enough.
          Secondly, in the modern world, everything, including military concepts, are changing quite quickly and building such ships for a longer period is a clear excess.


          Well, the concept of such a boat is older than you, and will not become obsolete even when your great-grandchildren are already old. The question is, why are the Americans reanimating it right now.
          And they do it under the reform of the Marins. And it is imprisoned for the battle for the first chain of islands and archipelagos of the South China Sea and has a clearly defined implementation period - 2030.
          Here are the questions.

          By the way, the British are also considering options for such ships. Who will be attacked?


          They’re considering a lot of things, but they won’t make out.
          No money left.
          And even if they build something, it’s clearly not an ersatz for 10 years of service.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 22: 45
            will not become obsolete even when your great-grandchildren are already old
            With the same success, I can declare that by the date you indicated, teleportation will already be applied. "Neither one nor the other is unprovable." And the fact that the Americans are moving is correct. They know that static leads to stagnation.
  11. +5
    8 May 2020 14: 20
    Always good posts from the author. But here he has a bzik. He’s always here just the other day the third world will begin. And if a few months ago, the Americans were supposed to attack the Russian Federation to show the Chinese who is in charge. Now, apparently, they decided to start the third world war directly with China, within ten years.
    Another reason why the service life of ships is ten years, the author does not see.
  12. +4
    8 May 2020 15: 51
    If the United States wants to start a war, then the first thing to do is to develop the construction of strike ships and massively rivet penguins. But to land from udk, ashore? Chet can not believe that the Americans are ready for a new Omaha beach. Here in Afghanistan, the death of every soldier is a week of news on CNS.
    Yes, and white bwans do not fight like that. The following steps are usually observed:
    1. First you need to create an image in the movie of a Chinese enemy. In every action movie, in every horror movie, the villain was narrow-eyed and spoke in hieroglyphs. (Recall US films of 70-80 years, where all the villains were Ivanes)
    2. We pull the enemy with sanctions on the very ears, depriving him of the necessary technologies and materials.
    3. We draw him into a war with a third party in order to draw back some of the resources.
    4. Come and win.
    And to start a war knowing that ballistic missiles will reach 100% of your cities, it’s like not in English.
    1. +3
      8 May 2020 16: 31
      Quote: demiurg
      1. First you need to create an image in the movie of a Chinese enemy. In every action movie, in every horror movie, the villain was narrow-eyed and spoke in hieroglyphs. (Recall US films of 70-80 years, where all the villains were Ivanes)

      Hehehehe ... just in the 80s, villains in films were often narrow-eyed and wrote hieroglyphs. For then, in addition to the military adversary, the United States had an economic adversary - Japan. And the image the soulless Japanese corporation invading the American world was also popular.
    2. 0
      8 May 2020 19: 58
      The image of the enemy.

      One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019





      It’s impossible in the cinema, it will be banned in China and will not pay back the costs.
      1. +1
        8 May 2020 22: 20

        2015 year
        Book abstract
        Yesterday, Vasily Tsarev and his friends took part in opposition rallies and argued hoarsely about the future of Russia, and today they are soldiers ready to defend their homeland to the last drop of blood. After all, the Third World is on the threshold. US troops invade Kaliningrad region
        More details: https://www.labirint.ru/books/374973/

        The image of the enemy. The Kremlin is preparing for war ???
        1. -1
          8 May 2020 22: 43
          Is this the best-selling book of this kind in Russia? And where did I write about the fact that the White House directly orders books about the war with China?
          No, it’s just that American society has a social request on this topic, the masses of Americans consider a military clash with China in the near future inevitable.
          1. -1
            9 May 2020 01: 07
            Sasha! the masses are always busy with something completely different, in Russia, in the USA, especially now. Do not tell me hiccups. the masses don't give a damn about China and the war with it. It is advisable for the masses not to lose their jobs, to pay a mortgage for a house, for teaching children, for medicine ... well, and not to catch the virus. What do you wish for Sasha?
            1. 0
              10 May 2020 22: 15
              And I would like you not to have "mental" diseases, so to speak, but too late. Alas.
              You already have.
        2. 0
          10 May 2020 22: 31

          Yes, there is already a whole plead of authors! laughing Guys are kidding! good
      2. +1
        9 May 2020 01: 03
        A picture thrower and a warmonger! Well, laughter and sin, Mr. amateur admiral, do not frighten the Russian man in the street. Turn on TV or watch the Internet. The United States is not such silly people sitting there to start a war with the PRC, which has a lot of warheads and missiles, but most importantly, the dear and dear conqueror of Spitsbergen, the PRC and the United States is a kind of analogue of the "fight of the Nanai boys", there was such an idea. They fight, fight, and then it turns out it's one artist. Well, in what currency does China accumulate US debts? Whose companies under their brands rivet everyone and everything for the counters in the USA? Only instead of "Made in the USA", "Made in China" but the firms are all American! What kind of war with the debtor? Who will give the pennies? What is the war with the supplier and the buyer? Where to send products? And more recently, the US Congress passed a law prohibiting Trump from using force against Iran, well, Trump vetoed, now Congress will pass the law again. And this clearly shows a reluctance to fight even against Iran. And the body movements against the DPRK are worth what! Well, by no means stupid people run the United States. Yes, internal squabbles, military orders, the roar of broadcasting retired admirals and generals ... Even against Venezuela, the scenario of the Bay of Pigs was modestly repeated. You, too, my dear Sasha, in the heat of the admiral's attempts, suggested on the pages of the VO to mine the Baltic, to seize Northern Norway and Spitsbergen. Maybe not you? But this does not mean at all that this is, even in the zero approximation, the position of the country's leadership and the Ministry of Defense. there, unlike you, healthy people rule and command. without your wise advice is dispensed with. Happy Holidays, Mr. Timokhin, Lord of the seas and oceans! Thank you sincerely! Provide the retiree with the opportunity to have a good time.
        1. 0
          10 May 2020 22: 17
          LeonidL can not help but write that you are my most devoted dog on the Internet.
          The reflex to fight Timokhin is driven in tight, kicks do not stop your cheerful barking.
          Sell ​​in the same vein.
          The main thing - do not turn on the gas in the apartment at night. This thing in the kitchen is not a remote control panel to fight Timokhin, it's a gas stove.
          laughing
          1. 0
            11 May 2020 07: 59
            Sasha! You are primitive even in grunting. Do not flatter yourself. Fight with you! Yes, you are Sasha Misir. ... There are electric stoves in my mansion, don't worry. As for the insults ... I'll prepare another surprise for you. You and everyone will like it, an analyst who has sat in the analytical department of the firm "Horns and Hooves"! ... You are not kicking me, you are showing people your complete impotence. But I have already achieved something, you Mr. amateur admiral, stopped insulting and reviling the leadership, so hated by you, a failed man, us people who have reached heights unattainable for you. We have achieved them not by stuffing calluses in love ecstasy with Klava, not by handouts from the misters and sirs, but by our mind, work, service and service. We are defending the world and you are provoking a war. we are professionals, and you are a loser, an amateur, an amateur, an amateur book admiral. You are at least obliged to post your creations under the "Opinion" stamp.
      3. 0
        9 May 2020 11: 05
        Must read. Is there a network to download?
        1. -1
          10 May 2020 22: 17
          I do not know.
          But it's like Tom Clancy.
      4. +2
        10 May 2020 22: 37
        Ohhh, Clancy's case lives on! wassat Only now sick fantasies are directed against China! fool

        But seriously, do you know any other Western authors of the alternative? recourse
        1. -1
          10 May 2020 22: 53
          I also know this because the Americans are eating his books crazy, the theme touches the people.
          And no, I don’t know.
    3. 0
      14 May 2020 14: 14
      The whole thing is creating the image of the enemy responsible for the coronavirus. The adoption of a law with an ultimatum to China is being prepared. After the non-acceptance of the ultimatum by China, sanctions will follow.
  13. +2
    9 May 2020 01: 59
    In the article “Attack from the sea. “How to return the landing capabilities to the fleet”, published on November 27, 2018, a new type of medium landing craft (KFOR) was proposed, capable of landing a marines with equipment, having instead of a gate with a ramp in the bow a landing ramp in the stern, and an ordinary one, “ one-piece ”stem, optionally - a helicopter take-off and landing pad (without hangar) and some weapons.

    The most interesting thing is that the Russian Navy already has such a ship, only Timokhin scolds it at every mention.
    1. -1
      9 May 2020 21: 55
      This is the mainstream of an amateur admiral, probably for this and money is dripping from benefactors and well-wishers.
      1. +1
        9 May 2020 22: 36
        Timokhin often "does not notice" things that are not convenient for himself, but he provokes a discussion, which is good in any case.
        1. +1
          9 May 2020 22: 58
          Not sure if "good". Timokhin is not a professional, as an amateur himself admitted, without education and experience of service. Moreover, I would understand if a person expressed his personal proposals in a discussion. But take a closer look - always in the form of indisputable truth, often with humiliation and insult to opponents, with insults and unsubstantiated accusations of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the Russian Federation and the Navy such as "mafia", "mediocrities", etc. With absolutely provocative proposals such as "mine the Baltic, seize Spitsbergen and Northern Norway ". His clerks are trying to prove that they say this gopodin is "read and honored" at the top of the MO, etc. This is far from the case, but such hysterical articles, such as the current one, may well be used to incite anti-Russian hysteria in the Baltics, in Norway ... Like "that's the pier that writes the most-most ...". In addition, the advice of an amateur Timokhin in an imperative form, and even with calls for the "public" to put pressure on the leadership in the name of ... the implementation of Timokhin's delusional plans can lead, if implemented, simply to the disruption of shipbuilding programs and not what Timokhin wants will be built , nor what would have been. And what exactly is Trebket Timokhin? That - the construction of "normal" aircraft carriers, ships of the far sea zone of the first rank, then a lot, a lot of cheap fleet of undetermined destroyers, now there are probably many, many small DCs. And for what? After all, the fleet is planned for the implementation of certain tasks! The strategic task of the Russian Navy is not a victory in a hypothetical war (moreover, a war like the past wars!), But the prevention of any war! Why does the Russian Federation need aircraft carriers - such relics, now targets for hypersonic weapons? AUG is a police baton against the weak (and even then not against everyone). The leadership of the country and the fleet is taking a different path - the creation of new weapons, ahead of others, discouraging even trying to attack Russia. Well, Timokhin always believes that the main thing is to build a boat, and where and how to base it, what coastal infrastructure, how and where to train and train crews, how to equip the life of families ... a lot of everything that this amateur amiral does not even think about. And yet another question is where to get money for all these ship toys? From the budget? Cannons instead of butter? And the last - everything proposed by Timokhin like domination at sea, battles of fleets ... really the last century. In the event (God forbid!) Of a real war, it will be so transient and destructive that no such battles of the fleets and other things will even be discussed. Well, remember at least the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding even one missile. Attacking Russia is more expensive. Therefore, I think that the article is just a cheap provocation. As always Timokhin catches some gossip, rumors, scraps of something said by someone, written somewhere ...
          1. +1
            9 May 2020 23: 11
            You see, from my point of view, discussions on vo, even among "non-professionals", are extremely useful, since "non-professionals", due to their mass character, approach the solution of problems from different angles. "Professionals", in view of the fact that there are not very many of them and they are under very strong corporate pressure, can miss important trends in the development of weapons and military affairs.
            Articles on VO certainly they can create a negative opinion in society but they can be neutralized by other articles on VO from other authors with analysis of errors, for example.
            Timokhin nevertheless raises existing problems that need to be addressed. And the silence of these problems is much more dangerous, even if they are tendentious, but still illuminated by the same Timokhin.
            1. 0
              10 May 2020 06: 32
              Look at all 118 articles by Mr. Timokhin. What is the essence of the problem if he writes in one article exactly the opposite of another? How can a person who has never served in the Navy and does not have a naval education can imperatively tell what and how to do to professionals? How can the “common voice” help solve problems? Don't be naive!
      2. -1
        10 May 2020 22: 54
        Yeah, there’s just no such ship in the Navy, and, accordingly, I could not scold him, you again hit the sky with your finger.
    2. -1
      10 May 2020 22: 53
      What kind of landing ship is this?
      1. 0
        10 May 2020 23: 23
        Think Timokhin. Moderately cheap, even with civilian tolerances here and there. Large deck, helicopter, 50 people landing in normal conditions, the infirmary.
        1. 0
          11 May 2020 12: 53
          You, too, with LeonidLom soared in the hospital? Come on, open up, and I will dissect you later.

          Indeed, in your reality patrol ship 22160 became an amphibious assault, right? Are you alluding to this?
          1. 0
            11 May 2020 14: 02
            Yes, I am hinting at him. Of course there is also "Bison", but it is 22160 that best suits your description of the optimal landing ship.
            And yes, Timokhin, if you are alternatively gifted, do not attribute your qualities to the people who communicate with you.
  14. +1
    10 May 2020 14: 35
    As I understand it, it is stupid about a "taxi" for a company. Moreover, in fact, it does not matter which company, even if it is infantry. Where the main thing is the opportunity to deliver by water from point A to point B. At the same time, without trying to turn the "Taxi" into a super-modern universal tank.
  15. 0
    10 May 2020 20: 40
    Miniaturization is a kind of response to the Russian and Chinese A2AD zones, which NATO is so afraid of. I recently watched a performance by a British brigadier general, and so he also suggested breaking up mechanized brigades into companies (or even platoons) for a successful attack on the A2AD zone. As I understand it, the point is to disperse the ground forces and make them less vulnerable to defeat the enemy’s OTRK.

    Berger's doctrine, in fact, is the same thing only with respect to amphibious landing operations. Well, probably against A2AD zones with a large radius of action (Iskander, Bastion, S-400), this tactic can really be effective. But the only problem is that inside a large zone you can deploy two or three zones of medium range (Smerch, Bal, S-350), and inside these zones two or three smaller zones (Grad, Buk). A kind of nesting doll. And the erupted separate enemy formations, in turn, should be destroyed by mobile anti-tank groups or attack helicopters. Surely there are some considerations on this score at the General Staff ...
    1. -1
      10 May 2020 22: 56
      They want to be the first to keep pace before the enemy launches anti-ship missiles.
      Plus, we do not forget the factor of air assault operations - this opportunity will not disappear.
  16. 0
    12 May 2020 01: 50
    For many decades, the US military shipyards have focused on building the few and futuristic demonstrators of shipbuilding technology. And the USA’s civil shipbuilding is 1% of the world’s and there is nowhere for them to build amphibious assault ships in large numbers.
    Therefore, no matter how hard you try, there will be very few of these new ships: "of which Berger considers it necessary to have about 38 units" ("Liberty" was built more than 2500). Just 38 pcs. - to be a nightmare for 10 years, before wear and tear, some small coastal Asian and African countries. This can only make money for the military-industrial complex of large countries, making and supplying such countries with inexpensive anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons.
    (for the author of the article, a very useful resource for reading is https://www.businessdefense.gov/)
  17. 0
    14 June 2020 00: 17
    Our fleet needs such ships so that they can move along the rivers. We have piled up copies of the Mistral, which even can not come to shore.
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  21. -2
    20 July 2020 20: 39
    A massive landing ship, and a cheap one, and why not.