New U.S. Navy Short-Range Landing Ship


One of the concepts of the ship, according to its performance characteristics of the corresponding LAW and with a look similar to that discussed in the Navy and the Marine Corps


May 5, 2020 NAVSEA, one of the commands of the US Navy, responsible for the creation of warships and their subsystems (Naval Sea System Command, command of naval systems with ten research centers for the combat use of different subsystems, weapons and ships and four shipbuilding enterprises that are part of the so-called Washington Naval Shipyard), held a briefing in which it confirmed that a series of mass, simple and cheap landing ships would be created to conduct landing operations by the U.S. Navy and the Marine Corps. Warships.

As part of the Marine Corps Reform


Such ships are required for their reform of the Marine Corps by its current commander, General Berger (see article "A Step Into the Unknown or Future of American Marines").

The plan of the commander of the American Marines, General Berger, among other things, provides for the dispersal of the US landing forces even at sea, on smaller than the usual DVKD and UDC, ships, which Berger considers it necessary to have in the amount of about 38 units.

And today we can see what these ships will be about. It became known that the US Navy issued requests to potential suppliers of a new type of landing craft, which would be created under the LAW program (Light Amphipious warship, or, in Russian, "Light Amphibious Warship"). True, while we are talking not about 38 ships requested by Berger, but about 28 or 30 units. But for now.

The design of this ship will allow it to be produced in virtually any quantities and anywhere.

Interestingly, the concept of the ship completely coincides with the one that the author at one time considered necessary to develop, though not for the US Navy, but for the Russian Navy.

Article “Attack from the sea. How to return the fleet landing capabilities ", published on November 27, 2018, a new type of medium landing craft (KFOR) was proposed, capable of landing a marine corps with equipment, having a landing ramp in the stern instead of a gate with a ramp in the bow, and an ordinary, “one-piece” stem, optionally - helicopter take-off and landing pad (without hangar) and some weapons.

Such a ship would be able to land second echelons on a cleaned shore or used where resistance is not expected, it would be cheap and massive. At the same time, he would completely surpass the classic BDK in seaworthiness and could move from fleet to the fleet through inland waterways (if necessary). Such a ship would not be a pity to lose: it is small, cheap, and there are few people on it, even compared to the BDK.

Today, a year and a half later, they plan to order a similar ship for themselves by the US Navy and with the same goals. Recall, according to General Berger's plans for reforming the Marine Corps, the task of Marines will be high-intensity combat operations to establish dominance at sea in the interests of the Navy and to advance the enemy landing on unoccupied or weakly protected islands, with the rapid deployment of anti-ship missiles on them and a further offensive.

At the same time, the first wave of landing traditionally for Americans can go through the air and on floating AAV armored personnel carriers, but the second one - on those very middle class cheap landing ships that would fit so well into the structure of the Russian Navy.

And which the American marines of General Berger will now use.

Technical part


According to the requirements of the US Navy, the ship should have a length of approximately 60 meters and a cargo deck of approximately 740 square meters. His crew should be no more than 40 people, and the minimum number of paratroopers that he must carry for a relatively long time is 75 people.

Cruising range at a speed of 14 knots should be 3500 nautical miles, fuel on board - about 390 tons.

The ship should be able to be used in waves of up to 5 points, and its navigation equipment and habitability should allow it to operate autonomously, outside the composition of the naval forces, if necessary.

One 13-ton crane is required.

In fairness, it should be noted that the appearance of the ship has not yet been determined, and, possibly, the landing of the landing from the stern will be reviewed. This specific issue is under discussion between the Navy and the Marine Corps. However, the likelihood that the architecture of the ship will be just that is high.

Very curious is the requirement that the life of the ship should be 10 years.

This goes against normal practice when a ship is being built for 20-40 years of service, and it looks as if the Americans are not planning a long service for these ships. And this is a very disturbing fact.

Intelligence signs


As already mentioned in the article on Berger's reform, the states of the marine corps battalions are currently being reviewed: they will decrease. The composition of the landing group of 75 people can tell how much. As a rule, the military tries not to “split up” units. On the other hand, there will definitely not be more than one company on such a ship. Thus, the minimum composition of the company, which is considered by the Americans, can be 75 people. Such a number "beats" to platoons of 25, and they are to the squads of 8 people plus the platoon commander. True, there are no longer any places for subordinates of the battalion commander, but the number of 75 people is indicated as the smallest possible.

Thus, the battalion "lose weight" due to the possible reduction of mouth. It becomes possible to predict which direction the revision of the battalion states will go.

But all this is a trifle against the backdrop of a 10-year lifetime. The Americans have experience in the mass construction of "disposable" ships. As an example, Liberty cargo ships, which became one of the symbols of World War II, can be cited. Some of them took quite a while, but were mostly written off in the first post-war years. Reason: their design, in principle, did not provide for long-term operation, their task was to live for several years and no more.

Such life requirements were made possible because the Liberty was built specifically for the war.

Now we are witnessing the construction of landing ships “especially for war”, those that are simply meaningless for peacetime conditions.

Those who monitor the mood in American "patriotic" circles know that the idea of ​​a war with China in the near future has already turned into the mainstream there - this is simply not being discussed. War with China in American society seems inevitable.

However, until recently, these were just words, and the words of people "from the people" who do not have real power.

But on May 5, 2020, it became a request for information from the US Navy. And this is a completely different matter.

Both Berger’s plan and this ship, which has been measured out to live only a few years according to the tactical and technical assignment, are a characteristic sign that America is preparing for war. There are already a lot of signs of such preparation today: these are nuclear warheads of reduced power on submarine ballistic missiles, and new fuses for them, which increase the accuracy of target destruction, and preparation for the deployment of medium-range missiles in Europe, and much more. But so far there have been no reconnaissance signs that would have accurately set the time frame for a future great war.

Now there is one such sign.

And the beginning of the production of these ships will be able to tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
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  1. Grandfather 8 May 2020 06: 07 New
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    And the beginning of the production of these ships can tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war
    Against China? I am tormented by vague doubt! ... he Eun, threatened his fist, and the Yankees merged. these pelvis can take part in a small war, with some sort of "banana republic", which of the "coastal complexes" only RPG-7 ....
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 06: 14 New
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      They will not be alone, but for details - see the previous article on Berger's reform.
      On the contrary, these boats are consumables just for a big war, they can not only be built in large quantities, but also lost in large quantities.
      1. Grandfather 8 May 2020 06: 20 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        lose in large quantities.

        this is not for Americans, their strategy is completely different and verified more than once. it’s not theirs — landing from the sea, with the Second World War it became clear. iron with "axes", and supplement with aviation; this is them, the risks are minimal.
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 24 New
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          Do you like the article in Russian and the Berger guidance in the original?
          Or did you forget Liberty, Skyhawks, and other similar examples from American practice? Do not give out your ideas about the subject as the subject itself.
        2. Ok
          Ok 9 May 2020 16: 53 New
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          Well, here you come to the point: after careful ironing, the shore is clean and sterile, now painted and glamorous come up to it hi
          1. Newone 9 May 2020 16: 58 New
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            And then, from nowhere, a volley of a couple of MLRS divisions, 80 kilometers from the landing site, flies from anywhere to the landing site and is sucked into the coastal sand ....
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              Ok 9 May 2020 17: 01 New
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              such is their fate as comrade Putin said
              1. Newone 9 May 2020 17: 08 New
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                These are American marines, so as Mr. Trump said :)
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                  Ok 9 May 2020 17: 25 New
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                  after a volley of MLRS? what marines? what
      2. LeonidL 8 May 2020 06: 36 New
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        Well, when many articles are written there is where to send an inquisitive reader!
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 25 New
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          And LeonidLa can also be sent, even without articles laughing
  2. BARKAS 8 May 2020 06: 08 New
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    The planned breakdown is now in the US Army, and not just in household appliances, it turns out.
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 06: 15 New
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      In the navy, in the army there is still old stuff that has been done for centuries.
      1. Gray brother 8 May 2020 14: 49 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        In the navy, in the army there is still old stuff that has been done for centuries.

        Obviously, this is unprofitable.
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 19: 44 New
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          Unprofitable industry, but the Navy, why is ordering this? So they plan to use and expend during this period.
          1. Gray brother 8 May 2020 19: 51 New
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            Quote: timokhin-aa
            but the Navy then why order this?

            In order for industry to be profitable, it’s like with the planned obsolescence of household junk. Obviously the same.
            In extreme cases, the resource can always be extended, and then on to either keep yourself or sell / donate.
            1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 20: 22 New
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              Promochka and without it can push through cancellation through the Navy.
              The question here is the reluctance to overpay for a long service life, which means that they guarantee they want to spend them in the indicated period.
              1. Gray brother 8 May 2020 21: 05 New
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                Quote: timokhin-aa
                which means that they guarantee to use them in the indicated period.

                But this can be done in many ways. Not so simple (c)
  3. I am not a sailor. I liked the picture.
    1. LeonidL 8 May 2020 06: 43 New
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      Nazari! That and Mr. Timokhin is strong! In the pictures he is very convincing. But ... there was such a magazine, “Military Zarubezhnik” was sent to us, to those who should, in envelopes, sealed, there were not enough pictures and all were black and white, but the content was always interesting. Then it was renamed "Foreign Military Review" - the signature stamp and cipher were removed, the newsletter was open, the pictures were glossy, colored ... the content was no longer readable by an interested Soviet citizen. The picture is far from the main thing. The main findings of the author. What lies behind them and who stands, what the author is motivated for. Is the author a professional? He understands what and why he depicts stressed calluses on his fingers?
      1. "foreign military review" even wrote himself in the 80s for several years. Not everyone understood, but the materiel still taught a schoolboy)))
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 46 New
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          Be careful with this guy, if you communicate with psychiatric patients, you can do considerable harm to your psyche.

          Pay attention to who you are talking to:

          https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

          и

          https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471
          1. LeonidL 10 May 2020 06: 35 New
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            The loudest scream about the mental illnesses of others are the mentally ill themselves. Well, if Mr. Admiral-Amateur Timokhin had nothing more to say about the case, then it only remained to pour mud on others.
            1. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 25 New
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              Well, back to the beginning then. In 1959, in the USSR, 6 years after the death of Stalin, you, in your own words, as a ten-year-old child with a body weight of about 20 kg swam underwater with an imported scuba gear that did not have a buoyancy compensator, which had the same mass as you, which means that in the water, you, a ten-year-old child, had to carry on your back a weight equivalent to 10 kg, that is, half your own.
              And do not drown.
              In 1959, buoyancy compensators have not yet been invented.

              Let’s tell the public about this, please. Very interesting.
              1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 08: 12 New
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                Dear Mr. Sasha! I threw you two rappers giving a tip for a year and in place. if you were an analyst, you would understand that this place was very difficult that year, and very unusual owls lived there. The fact is that someone delivered the Italian scuba gear there was no problem. The man was not refused, on the contrary, they showed a curiosity. There were loads, I put them on, although I was already very large then and from the age of five I was engaged in swimming. He sailed at a depth of three meters, about five minutes, with a docking shield under the supervision of a couple of warrant officers. No more, alas. Impressions are unforgettable! They sat on the boat and drank a little beer with Dad ... well, this is the lyrics. Will it be unpleasant for your peasant son? You asked - I told you. yes, then he owned first “Ukraine”, then “Submariner” ... And now, at least five sets are hanging in the garage, in case friends arrive ... Unfortunately, there are fewer of them ... Health Sasha. Thank you for entertaining the old man.
                1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 12: 57 New
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                  if you were an analyst, you would understand that this place was very difficult that year, and very unusual owls lived there.


                  Well, it’s still not simple - to carry half of your weight on your back for ten years under water and not drown.
                  Iron people! Batman!
                  Then they made careers, became Napoleons, occupied separate boxes with soft walls! Received the hereditary Soviet nobility, the titles of barons and counts of the Soviet Union.
                  They defended dissertations on them, talked about them at lectures at medical institutes!
                  Lumps, not people! And you were the first among them there.
                  laughing laughing laughing
                  1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 20: 04 New
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                    Here Sasha is right, he was always the best, indispensable, unlike you, a loser. But the nobility is still from the Tsar-Father ... You, the peasant’s son, shouldn’t be jealous, because in Soviet times you were proudly scribbling with a pen “from the peasants of the poor”, also a kind of “noble estate”. Well, until the next article. It is advisable in the "opinions" section and with the appropriate words "in my opinion", "it seems to me that ...", "I think that this is so ...".
                    1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 22: 40 New
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                      Here Sasha is right, always was the best, irreplaceable


                      And then the USSR did not become and compulsory hospitalization with mental illnesses also did not become.
                      This is where the map popped up for you.
                      laughing
                      1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 23: 21 New
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                        Sasha, you are discussing the problems of psychiatry so much and with enthusiasm that I quite naturally think that in this regard you have a great experience of staying in special clinics and communicating with psychiatrists. As the saying goes, “Whose person hurts ...” But since they received a certificate, they probably recovered.
                      2. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 23: 23 New
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                        Weakly.
                        The fact that you are simply psychiatric clearly follows from what you write about yourself.
                        And how you do it.
                      3. LeonidL 11 May 2020 23: 29 New
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                        Sasha! From what you write about yourself ... You will receive a demonstration lesson at the next opus "for the Fleet". Wait and find out.
                      4. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 23: 41 New
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                        In just a few days, LeonidL. Prepare your evidence
                        laughing
                        You can attach an answer from Sportloto to them, a photo of the shoulder strap of the admiral general (a rare thing), a time moderator, and everything else you have there, a certificate of medical records, too, if you want.
  • Boa kaa 8 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    Quote: LeonidL
    The main findings of the author.

    Fair thought. And it even seems to me that the author is right.
    I will explain why I made such a conclusion.
    According to the theory of the "Thucydides trap" - the concept that the conflict between the current hegemon and his younger, but more promising competitor cannot but end in war - in the foreseeable future we will face a serious conflict in the struggle for the possession of the islands of the South China Sea. T.N. disputed territories. For China, owning them is a matter of life or death of their economy. The Yankees will certainly get involved on the side of their allies. And to capture the archipelagos, such disposable inexpensive watercraft are needed (the language does not turn them into ships, it seems to be inconvenient to call them barges).
    Therefore, the author’s input, it seems to me, is quite justified.
    1. FIR FIR 8 May 2020 18: 01 New
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      And again the ball will rule: "production capabilities, a large number, technical simplicity, success of the project."
  • Cyril G ... 9 May 2020 08: 20 New
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    I’m just now re-reading a military foreigner - ZVO, since 1931, there are no fundamental differences there.
    1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 22: 44 New
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      Lenya is just a sick person, he doesn’t remember what it was there, he cannot distinguish “interesting” content from “uninteresting” one.
      He does not understand those issues that are raised in the Western Military District, even at an amateurish level.
      He does not understand the meaning of what he read.
  • Amateur 8 May 2020 06: 26 New
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    Those who monitor the mood in American "patriotic" circles know that the idea of ​​a war with China in the near future has already turned into the mainstream there - this is simply not being discussed. War with China in American society seems inevitable.

    For some time now, quarantine and some authors, and maybe readers of VO, will begin to follow the example of James Forrestal.
    1. Boa kaa 8 May 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      For some time now, quarantine and some authors, or maybe readers of VO, will begin to follow the example of James Forrestal

      ??? Russians are coming !!!
      So we have long been ready for the campaign ...
      But, damn it, quarantine, self-isolation, so to speak!
      Therefore, many in graphomania are hit by nothing to do. Itself is a sinner ...
    2. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 19: 49 New
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      Can you at least once in your life not “fly past the ticket office”?
      One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019




      Is it just that?
      1. Amateur 8 May 2020 20: 02 New
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        Can you at least once in your life not “fly past the ticket office”?
        One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019

        Thank God that Mr. Timokhin does not refer to Robert Heinlein. Star cockroaches are much cooler.
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 20: 21 New
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          The idea is popular, that's what these books are about.
          And you again confirm your reputation as a person whose statements have zero significance.
  • LeonidL 8 May 2020 06: 35 New
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    Mr. Timokhin! Americans are not, and you know this better than others from the experience of communicating with the masters and sirs, and from personal experience of being in distant lands. And therefore, go on, Americans, if they wage a "big" war, it’s only with a small country. Ice on your head, a heating pad in your legs and sleep, Sasha! And it’s not necessary even in a dream to mine the Baltic Sea, to capture northern Norway, Svalbard. No need even in a dream.
    1. Mavrikiy 8 May 2020 07: 37 New
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      The author should also go down on the concept.
      The design of this ship will allow it to be produced in virtually any quantities and anywhere. Interestingly, the concept of the ship completely coincides with the one that the author at one time considered necessary to develop, though not for the US Navy, but for the Russian Navy.
      Either the author makes vinaigrette from flies and cutlets, or ... Such a concept is only suitable for the USA and China, maybe even for Japan and the Kyrgyz Republic. With a huge production capacity. For the Russian Federation - no.
      1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 39 New
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        But regarding the landing of the second echelon of landing on such ships - very much so. And with us they do not have to be designed for 10 years, rather the opposite.
        1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 08: 14 New
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          How many and where did the landing admiral Mr. Admiral-amateur Timokhin land? Well, if not in a dream ...
          1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 12: 52 New
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            Well, you were lying in a mental hospital, it’s not for you to put in my face for life experience, LeonidL.
            By the way, you can still return there.
            1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 20: 08 New
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              You Sasha have already left. Probably learned to write articles and comments, training on the walls of public toilets? Well, analytical-admiral-amateur You write gray and stupidly without the slightest glimpse of creativity and intellect, without the “sparkle” that falls like pearls in a pile of manure in your opuses! Your main message is "Byak himself such!" ... It's time to grow up, Sasha, otherwise you will become less and less interesting to me. You have to spank in public. And so on until your next opus, and this one no longer reads, and throwing beads in front of you is not with your hands. Generals do not take offense at children ... for the time being.
              1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 22: 38 New
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                Generals do not take offense at children ... for the time being.

                So you are also a general? You have served in the Navy all your life, LeonidL.
                You are probably then Admiral General laughing
                But as?
                In the vicinity of Napoleon, did the pods live?
                laughing laughing
                1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 23: 27 New
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                  You yourself launched the chip about "all life", alas, not all, you had to change the black form to green and vice versa. As well as wearing a service jacket. I talked about the "sovereign service." But you don’t understand this, you didn’t serve. And I’m not the only one, my good friend served as a “black” until the drop of water, catching papers, porn magazines, banknotes, etc., over the oceans of the oceans over the seas, and then turned green ... It was generally unclear to me to resign in capital papers alone - on others Colonel And Napoleon's infallibility complex is clearly visible in you.
                  1. timokhin-aa 11 May 2020 23: 37 New
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                    LeonidL, you didn’t serve it.
                    With such a diagnosis, they do not take to the service.
                    Especially admiral generals.
                    laughing laughing
    2. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 27 New
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      The third comment under the article. Of all 16.
      But why isn’t your traditional “You are not interesting to me”?
  • Mavrikiy 8 May 2020 07: 07 New
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    from fleet to fleet through inland waterways (if necessary).
    Is this relevant for the USA?
    Such a ship would not be a pity to lose: it is small, cheap, and there are few people on it, even compared to the BDK.
    Liberty Ideas Alive! That's just .... That's just expensive and cute, cheap and rotten. And optimization of performance characteristics will not help much. Although it must be admitted that they completed their task, 2500 ships were built in such a way.
  • Avior 8 May 2020 07: 44 New
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    There are a lot of questions left after reading
    . Marines' mission will be high-intensity naval dominance for the Navy

    Will the Marines establish dominance at sea? How? And why do they have a fleet?
    . landings on unoccupied or poorly protected islands, with the rapid deployment of anti-ship missiles on them, and further advance.

    Do the marines in service have coast-based anti-ship missile systems?
    And the main question is about 10 years.
    It is possible, but difficult, to understand if they plan these ships as suitable for release in wartime or at least in a threatened period.

    It is difficult because they understand that a war for several years with the landing and landing of the States is not foreseen in the foreseeable future. And which islands are they going to capture? And then how to make a further offensive if they are on an island?
    I would very much like to see a link to a source in which the service life of these ships is defined as 10 years.

    Regarding the link to the old article
    In it, the author in the first part suggests using supply vessels as substitutes for UDC, following the example of the British in the Falklands, when they quickly converted civilian vessels for aviation.
    In fact, the British now have such a ship on an ongoing basis - they took a container ship and converted it into an UDC analogue for auxiliary purposes, on which helicopters and airplanes are based, if necessary.
    In the second part of the article, by reference, the author suggested building an KFOR, but not of the old type, but following the example of the new "Stern landing vessel" type developed in Australia - in fact, exactly what is described in this article, there was also a video of his tests.
    As for the current article, for example, you can see an article about this concept of ““ next-generation medium amphibious ship design ”of the next generation KFOR here
    https://news.usni.org/2020/02/20/navy-researching-new-class-of-medium-amphibious-ship-new-logistics-ships
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 47 New
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      About the marines, missiles and where they were going to fight.

      https://topwar.ru/169972-shag-v-neizvestnost-ili-kakim-budet-buduschee-u-amerikanskih-marines.html
      1. Avior 8 May 2020 10: 14 New
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        This is a link to your article.
        I was interested in a link to sources, especially about 10 years.
        And in the tactics of capturing the islands, nothing new - the Americans did just that in World War II.
        1. Alexey RA 8 May 2020 16: 45 New
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          And in the tactics of capturing the islands, nothing new - the Americans did just that in World War II.

          The tactics remained. The strategy has changed. In WWII, the capture of the islands was carried out mainly in the interests of the fleet - for the consistent approach of the basing points to the Japanese metropolis. The main striking force at these bases was precisely the fleet.
          Now the concept has changed: the marines do not take over the islands just to ensure the operations of the fleet. Now the enemy’s fleet has become the enemy’s fleet, with which they must fight with their aircraft, their anti-ship missiles and their artillery / rocket systems. In fact, the marine corps turned into the mobile forces of advanced coastal defense. smile
        2. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 19: 55 New
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          The link to my article explains about whether the MP has RCC and where they have it all.

          1. Avior 8 May 2020 19: 59 New
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            the most important moment is 10 years
            1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 20: 02 New
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              See comments above this from the NAVSEA briefing
            2. Engineer 8 May 2020 22: 12 New
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              Where is the most important? Why is everyone so obsessed with these 10 years?
              In the document cited by Timokhin, 10 years is in the column “minimum” That is, at least 10 years. Accordingly, this is not a marker of anything.
              And it’s all the more ridiculous to consider this as evidence of an impending war with China. Although you yourself have not claimed anything like this, I cannot but comment.
              For the war with China, in Timokhinsky, you need not 38 or 138 such devices.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi 8 May 2020 09: 55 New
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      a war for several years with the landing and landing of the States in the foreseeable future is not expected.

      They never foresee a war for several years. What with Korea, what with Vietnam.
      In this case, the goal is Iran. The exit point is KSA. A short route in fairly calm waters without ocean waves.
      Only here is a short war - with a multi-million army, and with a border with Russia and Azerbaijan (after all, western Iran, against which attacks will be directed, is populated by Azerbaijanis). There will be no small victorious war for control of the Strait of Hormuz. We must prepare for a long napalm rain.
      1. Avior 8 May 2020 10: 03 New
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        Here is a word for word that you wrote before the war with Iraq
        Time and situation changed after the war with Vietnam
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi 10 May 2020 14: 44 New
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          Of course, changed. In Vietnam, the presidents fought for pleasure, in Iraq - mafia clans cut money from the budget.
          But the haircut is sluggish. We must look for new fat flocks of petrodollars.
  • Peter is not the first 8 May 2020 08: 22 New
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    True, while we are talking not about 38 ships requested by Berger, but about 28 or 30 units. But for now.

    Such a number of ships is scanty in the understanding of the "big" war. Neither the Russian Federation nor China, you will not scare a landing party of 2,5 thousand people. This amount is only enough for Grenada and Panama.
    For such limited conflicts that the US President spends at least once for the presidency in order to get out for a second term, a relatively small amount of disposable (short term of operation) and cheap amphibious assault are needed.
    Now, if, after testing their production technology, they will order a few thousand more, then it will be possible for some to think bigger.
    But again, not for us and not for China. No one in their right mind will fight with such countries as in the second, world war. Here we need sophisticated means, or nuclear, global war, or economic blockade, or the "fifth column" war. And the second and third component of these "world" wars has been going against us for a long time.
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 29 New
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      So they still have landing ships.
  • Vasily Ponomarev 8 May 2020 09: 16 New
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    > And the beginning of the production of these ships will be able to tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
    it's so funny that I don’t even want to comment fellow
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 30 New
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      Another lover of America? Or what's so funny?
      If a ship is to be put into operation in 2025, which TTZ sweat should be written off in 2035, then they plan to use it between 2025 and 2035.
      Laugh at this simple fact, please.
      1. Vasily Ponomarev 8 May 2020 09: 33 New
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        > Another lover of America?
        umm? what? what
        > Laugh at this simple fact, please.
        hmm, horseradish you can argue, if in 1975 the Nimitz was put into operation, which TTZ sweat should be written off in 2025, then they plan to use it between 1975 and 2025
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 09: 34 New
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          So it was used after 1975.
          With DK, it will be the same - it will certainly be put to use at the appointed ten, that is, after it it is not needed, everything is planned for earlier dates.
          1. Vasily Ponomarev 8 May 2020 09: 42 New
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            > after it, it is not needed, everything is planned for an earlier date.
            damn, you’re an unrecognized genius, no, I understand everything, I need to intrigue the audience, write about the impending war, etc., but damn, didn’t we go through this a hundred times, it’s boring, as soon as someone increases purchases, then right away .... however you yourself can read what happens
            https://topwar.ru/136112-ssha-zakupayut-bolshoe-kolichestvo-artilleriyskih-snaryadov.html
          2. Cyril G ... 9 May 2020 08: 24 New
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            He can defend the entire service in conservation by spending a resource on testing and on short-term reactivation on exercises. Do not think?
            1. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 20 New
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              All thirty? No, I didn’t think so.
              1. Cyril G ... 10 May 2020 22: 27 New
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                but in vain, a completely realistic option. He can defend forty years.
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                  They cut naval ships, they don’t put them in canned food, and they suddenly order a series of 30 landing troops, and clearly after the commander of the MP says that for the future war many small landing ships will be needed, and is that all to immediately conserve them?
                  I need some reason to begin to consider such an option real.
                  1. Cyril G ... 10 May 2020 22: 58 New
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                    This is just the only sober one.
                    - maybe the War plan is. But to tie up the beginning of the war and the readiness of a series of barges is somehow not sensible.
                    - To summarize, the plan requires 100 barges, they need to be built to test and conserve. Several barges will be in constant use - testing tactics, crews and more. Once every three years, a crew of reservists was sent, or some other options - they were canned, put into the sea, played exercises, preserved.
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                      This will be how Liberty store.
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                        They just with conservation, everything was cool, unlike ....
  • Undecim 8 May 2020 12: 41 New
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    And the beginning of the production of these ships will be able to tell us the time during which the Americans plan to start their next big war.
    The author wants the fame of Edgar Cayce and Abel so much that he forgets the fate of Cassandra and Rasputin.
    1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 19: 57 New
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      Your vision of the question of why a series of landing ships with a service life of 10 years is needed, please.
      1. Undecim 8 May 2020 21: 12 New
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        Firstly, not "10 years" but "10 years, at a minimum", "ten years at least." Secondly, in the modern world, everything, including military concepts, are changing quite quickly and building such ships for a longer period is a clear excess. It’s easier in ten years to build new ones that will correspond to future realities. Or not build. By the way, the British are also considering options for such ships. Who will be attacked?
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          10 years minimum means that 10 years is enough.
          Secondly, in the modern world, everything, including military concepts, are changing quite quickly and building such ships for a longer period is a clear excess.


          Well, the concept of such a boat is older than you, and will not become obsolete even when your great-grandchildren are already old. The question is, why are the Americans reanimating it right now.
          And they do it under the reform of the Marins. And it is imprisoned for the battle for the first chain of islands and archipelagos of the South China Sea and has a clearly defined implementation period - 2030.
          Here are the questions.

          By the way, the British are also considering options for such ships. Who will be attacked?


          They’re considering a lot of things, but they won’t make out.
          No money left.
          And even if they build something, it’s clearly not an ersatz for 10 years of service.
          1. Undecim 8 May 2020 22: 45 New
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            will not become obsolete even when your great-grandchildren are already old
            With the same success, I can say that they will already use teleportation by the time indicated by you. "Neither one nor the other is unprovable." And the fact that the Americans are moving is right. They know that static leads to stagnation.
  • illi 8 May 2020 14: 20 New
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    Always good posts from the author. But here he has a bzik. He’s always here just the other day the third world will begin. And if a few months ago, the Americans were supposed to attack the Russian Federation to show the Chinese who is in charge. Now, apparently, they decided to start the third world war directly with China, within ten years.
    Another reason why the service life of ships is ten years, the author does not see.
  • demiurg 8 May 2020 15: 51 New
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    If the United States wants to start a war, then the first thing to do is to develop the construction of strike ships and massively rivet penguins. But to land from udk, ashore? Chet can not believe that the Americans are ready for a new Omaha beach. Here in Afghanistan, the death of every soldier is a week of news on CNS.
    Yes, and white bwans do not fight like that. The following steps are usually observed:
    1. First you need to create an image in the movie of a Chinese enemy. In every action movie, in every horror movie, the villain was narrow-eyed and spoke in hieroglyphs. (Recall US films of 70-80 years, where all the villains were Ivanes)
    2. We pull the enemy with sanctions on the very ears, depriving him of the necessary technologies and materials.
    3. We draw him into a war with a third party in order to draw back some of the resources.
    4. Come and win.
    And to start a war knowing that ballistic missiles will reach 100% of your cities, it’s like not in English.
    1. Alexey RA 8 May 2020 16: 31 New
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      Quote: demiurg
      1. First you need to create an image in the movie of a Chinese enemy. In every action movie, in every horror movie, the villain was narrow-eyed and spoke in hieroglyphs. (Recall US films of 70-80 years, where all the villains were Ivanes)

      Hehehehe ... just in the 80s, villains in films were often narrow-eyed and wrote hieroglyphs. For then, in addition to the military adversary, the United States had an economic adversary - Japan. And the image the soulless Japanese corporation invading the American world was also popular.
    2. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 19: 58 New
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      The image of the enemy.

      One of the most popular best-selling book TV series in 2018-2019





      It’s impossible in the cinema, it will be banned in China and will not pay back the costs.
      1. Engineer 8 May 2020 22: 20 New
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        2015 year
        Book abstract
        Yesterday, Vasily Tsarev and his friends took part in opposition rallies and argued hoarsely about the future of Russia, and today they are soldiers ready to defend their homeland to the last drop of blood. After all, the Third World is on the threshold. US troops invade Kaliningrad region
        More details: https://www.labirint.ru/books/374973/

        The image of the enemy. The Kremlin is preparing for war ???
        1. timokhin-aa 8 May 2020 22: 43 New
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          Is this the best-selling book of this kind in Russia? And where did I write about the fact that the White House directly orders books about the war with China?
          No, it’s just that American society has a social request on this topic, the masses of Americans consider a military clash with China in the near future inevitable.
          1. LeonidL 9 May 2020 01: 07 New
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            Sasha! the masses are always busy with something completely different, in Russia, in the USA, especially now. Do not tell me hiccups. the masses don't give a damn about China and the war with it. It is advisable for the masses not to lose their jobs, to pay a mortgage for a house, for teaching children, for medicine ... well, and not to catch the virus. What do you wish for Sasha?
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              And I would wish you not to have “mental” illnesses, so to speak, but it's too late. Alas.
              You already have.
        2. Connor MacLeod 10 May 2020 22: 31 New
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          Yes, there is already a whole plead of authors! laughing Guys are kidding! good
      2. LeonidL 9 May 2020 01: 03 New
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        Picture thrower and arsonist! Well, laughter and sin, Mr. amateur admiral, do not scare the Russian citizen. Turn on the TV or watch the Internet. The United States is not so stupid as it is to start a war with the PRC, which is full of warheads and missiles, but most importantly, the most gracious and gracious conqueror of Svalbard, China and the United States is a kind of analogue of the “fight of the Nanai boys”. Fight, fight, and then it turns out this is one artist. Well, in what currency is the US debt of China accumulated? Whose companies under their brands rivet everything and everything for the counters in the USA? Only instead of "Made in the USA", "Made in China" but the firms are all American! What is the war with the debtor? Who will give pennies? What is the war with the supplier and the buyer? Where to send products? And recently, the US Congress passed a law prohibiting Trump from using force against Iran, well, Trump vetoed, now Congress will pass the law again. And this clearly shows a reluctance to war even against Iran. And movements against the DPRK are worth it! Well, not stupid people rule the United States. yes internal showdowns, military orders, the rumble of broadcasting retired admirals and generals ... Even against Venezuela, the Gulf of Pigs scenario is so modestly repeated. You, too, amiable Sashenka, in the heat of the admiral’s efforts, proposed to mine the Baltic, capture Northern Norway and Svalbard on the pages of the Military District. Maybe not you? But this does not mean at all that this is even in the zeroth approximation by the position of the country's leadership and the Defense Ministry. there, unlike you, healthy people rule and command. do without your wise advice. Happy Holidays, Mr. Timokhin, Lord of the Seas and Oceans! Thank you sincerely! Deliver the retiree an opportunity to have a good time.
        1. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 17 New
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          LeonidL can not help but write that you are my most devoted dog on the Internet.
          The reflex to fight Timokhin is driven in tight, kicks do not stop your cheerful barking.
          Sell ​​in the same vein.
          The main thing - do not turn on the gas in the apartment at night. This thing in the kitchen is not a remote control panel to fight Timokhin, it's a gas stove.
          laughing
          1. LeonidL 11 May 2020 07: 59 New
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            Sasha! You are primitive even in grunts. Do not flatter yourself. Fight with you! Yes, you are Sasha Misir. ... In my mansion, electric stoves, do not worry. And about the insults ... I will prepare for you another surprise. You and everyone will like it, the analyst who has sat in the analytic department of Horns and Hooves! ... You do not kick me, you show people your complete powerlessness. But something that I have already achieved, you are an amateur admiral, you have stopped insulting and blaspheming the leadership that people who have reached heights unattainable for you, so hated by you as a failed man. We did not achieve them by stuffing corns in love ecstasy with Claudia, not by handouts of the misters and sirs, but by our mind, labor, service and service. We protect the world, and you provoke a war. we are professionals, and you are a loser, amateur, amateur, book admiral-amateur. You must at least post your creations under the heading "Opinion".
      3. Cyril G ... 9 May 2020 11: 05 New
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        Must read. Is there a network to download?
        1. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 17 New
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          I do not know.
          But it's like Tom Clancy.
      4. Connor MacLeod 10 May 2020 22: 37 New
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        Ohhh, Clancy's case lives on! wassat Only now sick fantasies are directed against China! fool

        But seriously, do you know any other Western authors of the alternative? recourse
        1. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 53 New
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          I also know this because the Americans are eating his books crazy, the theme touches the people.
          And no, I don’t know.
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      The whole thing is creating the image of the enemy responsible for the coronavirus. The adoption of a law with an ultimatum to China is being prepared. After the non-acceptance of the ultimatum by China, sanctions will follow.
  • Newone 9 May 2020 01: 59 New
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    In the article “Attack from the sea. “How to return the landing capabilities to the fleet”, published on November 27, 2018, a new type of medium landing craft (KFOR) was proposed, capable of landing a marines with equipment, having instead of a gate with a ramp in the bow a landing ramp in the stern, and an ordinary one, “ one-piece ”stem, optionally - a helicopter take-off and landing pad (without hangar) and some weapons.

    The most interesting thing is that the Russian Navy already has such a ship, only Timokhin scolds it at every mention.
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      This is the mainstream of an amateur admiral, probably for this and money is dripping from benefactors and well-wishers.
      1. Newone 9 May 2020 22: 36 New
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        Timokhin often “does not notice” things that are not convenient for himself, but he provokes a discussion, which is good in any case.
        1. LeonidL 9 May 2020 22: 58 New
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          Not sure "good." Timokhin is not a professional, as the amateur himself admitted, without education and service staff. Moreover, I would understand if a person expressed his personal proposals in discussion. But take a closer look - always in the form of undeniable truth, often with the humiliation and insult of opponents, with insults and unsubstantiated accusations of the leadership of the Defense Ministry, the Russian Federation and the Navy such as the "Mafia", "mediocrity", etc. With absolutely provocative proposals such as "mine the Baltic Sea, capture Spitsbergen and Northern Norway. " His hackers are trying to prove that the mole of this pod "is read and honored" at the top of the Defense Ministry, etc. This is far from true, but hysterical articles such as the current one could well be used to incite anti-Russian hysteria in the Baltic States, in Norway. . Type "they say that he writes the most-most ...". In addition, the advice of a lover of Timokhin in an imperative form, and even with calls to the "public", put pressure on the leadership in the name of ... the implementation of Timokhin's delusional plans can lead, if implemented, to simply disrupt shipbuilding programs and not be built what Timokhin wants , not what it would be. And what is Timokhin's trebket actually? That is the construction of "normal" aircraft carriers, ships of the distant marine zone of the first rank, then many, many cheap fleets of under-destroyers, now for sure many, many small recreation centers. And for what? After all, the fleet is planned for certain tasks! The strategic task of the Russian Navy is not a victory in a hypothetical war (moreover, a war like past wars!), But the prevention of any war! Why are Russian aircraft carriers such relics, now targets for hypersonic weapons? AUGs are batons against the weak (and even not against everyone). The leadership of the country and the fleet goes a different way - the creation of new weapons that are ahead of the rest, discouraging the desire to even try to attack Russia. Well, Timokhin always believes that the main thing is to build a boat, and where and how to base it, what coastal infrastructure, how and where to train and train crews, how to equip families ... there is a lot of everything that this amyral amateur does not even think about. But another question is where to get money for all these ship toys? From the budget? Guns instead of butter? And the last - everything proposed by Timokhin, such as supremacy at sea, battles of the fleets ... really the last century. In the case (God forbid!) Of a real war, it will be so fleeting and destructive that there will not even be any discussion of any such battles of the fleets. Well, remember at least a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding even one missile. Attacking Russia is more expensive for itself. Therefore, I believe that the article is just a cheap provocation. As always, Timokhin catches some gossip, rumors, snippets of someone said something, written somewhere ...
          1. Newone 9 May 2020 23: 11 New
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            You see, from my point of view, discussions on even among “non-professionals” are extremely useful, because “non-professionals”, due to their mass character, approach problems from different angles. “Professionals”, since there are not very many of them and they are experiencing very strong corporate pressure, may miss important trends in the development of weapons and military affairs.
            Articles on VO certainly they can create a negative opinion in society but they can be neutralized by other articles on VO from other authors with analysis of errors, for example.
            Timokhin nevertheless raises existing problems that need to be addressed. And the silence of these problems is much more dangerous, even if they are tendentious, but still illuminated by the same Timokhin.
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              View all 118 articles of Mr. Timokhin. What is the essence of the problem if he writes in one article the exact opposite of the other? How can a person who never served in the Navy and does not have a naval education imperatively say what and how to do professionals? How can a "layman's glass" help solve problems? Do not be naive!
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        Yeah, there’s just no such ship in the Navy, and, accordingly, I could not scold him, you again hit the sky with your finger.
    2. timokhin-aa 10 May 2020 22: 53 New
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      What kind of landing ship is this?
      1. Newone 10 May 2020 23: 23 New
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        Think Timokhin. Moderately cheap, even with civilian tolerances here and there. Large deck, helicopter, 50 people landing in normal conditions, the infirmary.
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          You, too, with LeonidLom soared in the hospital? Come on, open up, and I will dissect you later.

          Indeed, in your reality patrol ship 22160 became an amphibious assault, right? Are you alluding to this?
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            Yes, I’m hinting at him. Of course there is also the Bison, but it is 22160 that best suits your own description of the optimal landing ship.
            And yes, Timokhin, if you are alternatively gifted, do not attribute your qualities to the people who communicate with you.
  • Interdum_silentium_volo 10 May 2020 14: 35 New
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    As I understand it, it’s stupid about a "taxi" for a company. Moreover, in fact, it doesn’t matter which company even infantry is. Where is the main opportunity to deliver by water from point A to point B. Moreover, without trying to turn the "Taxi" into a super-modern universal tank.
  • Connor MacLeod 10 May 2020 20: 40 New
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    Miniaturization is a kind of response to the Russian and Chinese A2AD zones, which NATO is so afraid of. I recently watched a performance by a British brigadier general, and so he also suggested breaking up mechanized brigades into companies (or even platoons) for a successful attack on the A2AD zone. As I understand it, the point is to disperse the ground forces and make them less vulnerable to defeat the enemy’s OTRK.

    Berger's doctrine, in fact, is the same thing only with respect to amphibious landing operations. Well, probably against A2AD zones with a large radius of action (Iskander, Bastion, S-400), this tactic can really be effective. But the only problem is that inside a large zone you can deploy two or three zones of medium range (Smerch, Bal, S-350), and inside these zones two or three smaller zones (Grad, Buk). A kind of nesting doll. And the erupted separate enemy formations, in turn, should be destroyed by mobile anti-tank groups or attack helicopters. Surely there are some considerations on this score at the General Staff ...
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      They want to be the first to keep pace before the enemy launches anti-ship missiles.
      Plus, we do not forget the factor of air assault operations - this opportunity will not disappear.
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    For many decades, the US military shipyards have focused on building the few and futuristic demonstrators of shipbuilding technology. And the USA’s civil shipbuilding is 1% of the world’s and there is nowhere for them to build amphibious assault ships in large numbers.
    Therefore, no matter how hard you try, there will be very few of these new ships: “which Berger considers it necessary to have approximately 38 units” (Liberty built more than 2500). Just 38 pcs. - to nightmare for 10 years, before wear, some small coastal Asian and African countries. One can only make money on this from the military-industrial complex of large countries by making and supplying such countries with inexpensive anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons.
    (for the author of the article, a very useful resource for reading is https://www.businessdefense.gov/)
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    Our fleet needs such ships so that they can move along the rivers. We have piled up copies of the Mistral, which even can not come to shore.