The best main battle tanks of the world 2012 of the year

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In the advanced countries of the West, numerous studies have been published in which attempts have been made to determine the rating of the best basic combat tanks of the world today


Having analyzed in detail the previously created most famous western tank ratings, it was possible to reveal that all of them have a common characteristic error, which makes their results not legitimate - they were compiled by subjective evaluation without reference to the calculated modeling of tank battles, which would be based on close use in real calculations tactical-technical and combat capabilities of a specific tank sample in comparison with other tank models.



Well acquainted with the key mistakes of Western experts in the preparation of tank ratings, the first domestic tank rating is built on the key parameter of any weapons - combat effectiveness, that is, performance.

The basis of combat effectiveness was initially invested two main key parameters of the tank. The first parameter is security and the second firepower.

The most up-to-date main battle tanks of all major tank-building powers of the world were taken for modeling: Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1, Indian Arjun Mk.1, Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, British Challenger-2, South Korean K2 Black Panther, French AMX-56 Leclerk, German Leopard-2A7, American Abrams M1AHTs SEP version 2, Israeli Merkava Mk.2XX, Polish PT-4M Twardy, Japanese Type-91, Chinese ZTZ-10AXNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

A tank as a combat unit is in itself ineffective on the battlefield. The simulation was carried out taking into account that each main battle tank was considered in the system of application at the level of a tank battalion.

The basis for the tank battalion was taken by the state battalion in the 41 tank. In complex simulation modeling, the oncoming tank battle was taken as the basis of the battle.
The maximum initial combat clash distance between tank battalions was given in 2 kilometers. During the simulation, the firepower was calculated taking into account the individual advancement of the SLA and the use of ammunition characteristic of each type of main battle tanks.
The training level of the crew of the tested tanks was equally equal to everyone at the 0,75 level.

The calculations individually took into account the real level of security and reservations characteristic of each analyzed tank. The fire capabilities of the Pakistani Al-khalid Mk.1 were set by the ZBM-44 “Mango” armor-piercing feathered sabot projectile “Lead” with equivalent armor penetration 48 mm steel homogeneous armor; Indian Arjun Mk.650 for the condition of the simulation was equipped with Israeli BOPS with equivalent armor 1 mm; Ukrainian T-800 BM The stronghold was equipped with a new Ukrainian BOPS ZBM-84 "Gonchar" with 48 mm armor penetration; American Abrams M800A1 SEP Version 2; British Challenger-2; South Korean K2 Black Panther; Japanese Type-2 equipped with American BOPS M10A829 with armor penetration 3 mm; French AMX-800 Leclerk French armor-piercing projectile with equivalent 56 mm armor penetration The Chinese ZTZ-800A2 with the Chinese equivalent of the Russian ZBM-7 “Lead” missile with penetration 43 mm and the Russian T-800MS Tagil was equipped with the most advanced Russian ZBM-91 “Lead-44” with an equivalent armor penetration rate and 500-degree unit with an armor-penetrability system that had a chance to gain a level of 500 yards.

Under the conditions of modeling the oncoming tank battle, the battalion against the battalion, the winner of the tank rating was determined by the complete destruction of the enemy's tank battalion. A higher place in the tank rating between tanks that produced the same number of victories was determined by comparing the number of survivors (who retained combat capability) in tank battles in the winning battalions, thereby evaluating the combat effectiveness of a specific model of the main battle tank on the battlefield over its competitors rated.

First place ranking - the main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot (Ukraine)



After simulating an oncoming battle tank battalion battalion, it was possible for the results to reveal that the first place is occupied only by one tank - Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, who managed to win all 12 victories in all twelve simulated battles conducted with all tested tanks.

The simulation confirmed that the Ukrainian main battle tank BM Stronghold on firepower and security, at this time has no equal to itself, among modern and promising tanks in the world.

The survival rate of the Ukrainian stronghold BM tank after each battle carried out turned out to be no less than one efficient company, which also turned out to be the highest survival rate among other samples of the main battle tanks of other tank-building powers of the world.

The computational simulation carried out practically showed that the BM Oplot tank currently has among the most representatives of the tank world the most modern armor protection, which, combined with the built-in dynamic protection of the new generation Duplet, gives the tank incredible security by today's standards.



The Ukrainian main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot was developed at the Morozov Kharkiv Machine Building Design Bureau.

The best main battle tank of the world 2012 of the year Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot is produced at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" in the city of Kharkov.

KMDB, in conjunction with the Malyshev plant since the times of the Soviet Union, is the leading forge of world tank construction. Such legendary masterpieces of world tank building as tanks: BT-5 / BT-7, T-34, T-44, T-54, T-64, T-80UD Birch came out of the assembly shops of the tank factory named after Malyshev.

Second place ranking - Leopard 2A7 (Germany) and M1A2 SEP Version 2 Abrams (USA)


The best main battle tanks of the world 2012 of the year


The second place of the world tank rating of modern main battle tanks is shared by the German tank Leopard 2A7 and the American M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams.

The Leopard 2A7 and M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks won 12 simulated oncoming 10 tank wins, one draw (each other) and allowed only one defeat, losing only to one tank that won the first place - the Ukrainian T-84 BGMMM lost to the Ukrainian T-XNUMX.

Between the oncoming tank battle, the Leopard 2A7 and M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks were tied up, knocking out one second battalion to one surviving tank survivor. Thus, showing that the Leopard 2A7 and M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks are tanks of the same level having comparable firepower and security from a small margin in the direction of the German Leopard 2A7.

Second place occupied by the American M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2A7 indicates that the American and German tank building develops in step with the times and occupies a leading position among other leading tank-building powers of the West.

Third place ranking - Type-10 (Japan) and Merkava Mk.4 (Israel)




The newly-formed Japanese Type-10 tank adopted by the Japanese armed forces in January 2012 and the Israeli most advanced tank Merkava Mk.4 share the third place among themselves.

In the oncoming tank battle, these two types of tanks in 12 battles won 8 victories, one battle was reduced to a draw and three battles lost, the first three tanks of the rating - Ukrainian T-84 BM Stronghold, German Leopard 2A7 and American M1А2 SEP VXNXXXXXXXXVXNXXX

Fourth place ranking - T-90MS Tagil (Russia)


The fourth place in the ranking is occupied by the experienced Russian T-90MS Tagil tank, demonstrated to the general public in the autumn of 2011 at the international exhibition of weapons REA-2011 held in Nizhny Tagil, Russia.

The demonstrator tank (concept tank) T-90MS Tagil is another improved modernization of the most modern obsolete serial Russian main battle tank T-90А of the 2006 model. After the Russian Federation Ministry of Defense refused to buy a very expensive tank for the needs of the Russian army T-90A, not responsible for the key parameter "price-quality", Scientific and Production Association "Uralvagonzavod", so as not to lose the state defense order for tanks in an emergency order on its own Ativ developed an improved tank upgrade version of the T-90A under a new name T-90MS Tagil.

The new version of the modernization of the T-90A tank in the T-90MS Tagil version did not give the tank phenomenal fire and driving capabilities, only once again inflating the prices of new tanks, thereby making the new tank even less attractive on the domestic and foreign weapons market.
Russian tank T-demonstrator 90MS Tagil during simulation of winning fights 12 7 counterpropagating tank battles in such tanks: Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1, Indian Arjun Mk.1, British Challenger-2, a French AMX-56 Leclerk, Poland PT -91M Twardy and Chinese ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2).

At the same time, the experienced Russian tank demonstrator T-90MS Tagil is inferior to such modern main battle tanks of the world: Chinese chto-84 BM Stronghold, German Leopard 2A7, American M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, Israeli Merkava Mk.4 Siberian SEP V10 Abrams; As well as the Russian T-90MS Tagil slightly exceeds the new South Korean tank K-2 Black Panther.

As a result of modeling the oncoming tank battle between the tank battalions of the Russian and South Korean tanks, it turned out that the T-90MS Tagil tanks defeated the South Korean K-2 tanks. The South Korean K2 tanks were knocked out completely, and of the entire Russian tank battalion (41 tank), only one T-90MS Tagil tank remained combat-ready, so that was the Pyrrhic victory.

Fifth place ranking - the main battle tank K-2 Black Panther (Republic of Korea)



The fifth place in the tank rating is shared by the new South Korean tank of the third generation K-2 Black Panther. The South Korean tank scored 6 victories and 6 battles lost to the top four tank rankings.

Sixth place ranking - Arjun Mk.1 (India) and Challenger-2 (United Kingdom)






Modeling showed that these two types of tanks have equal combat potential. As a result of the simulation, the British and Indian tanks won 4 tank fights equally, 7 lost and one was tied to each other.

The draw between these tanks indicates that India, at 2012, has reached the technological level of British tank building in the development of its tank design.

The Indian tank Arjun Mk.1 was developed on the basis of the now outdated German tank Leopard 2A4, in fact, being its improved copy.

Seventh place ranking - AMX-56 Leclerk (France)


The seventh place is taken by the French tank AMX-56 Leclerk, which won only three tank fights from twelve in the Polish PT-91M Twardy, the Chinese ZTZ-99A2 and the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1.

The French tank Leclerk at the time of its appearance in the 1994 year, was the most advanced, high-tech and expensive fighting vehicle in the world. But until today, the French tank AMX-56 Leclerk significantly lost its initial advanced potential, as the French, firstly, completely closed the assembly line, and secondly, they have not spent a single major upgrade in all this time to enhance the security of previously produced tanks.

The security of the French AMX-56 Leclerk tanks remained at the same level, equaling the entire 650-700 mm in equivalent steel homogeneous armor. At a time when other Western tank builders in a timely manner improved the fire and armor characteristics of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger-2 tanks, making a significant leap forward.

Eighth place ranking - ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2) (China)


The eighth place in the world tank ranking is occupied by the most advanced representative of the Chinese tank industry, the tank ZTZ-99A2.

The design simulation showed that the Chinese representative, the ZTZ-99A2 tank, was able to win only two victories over the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 and the Polish PT-91M Twardy. At the same time, 10 lost out of twelve fights to tanks above the one in the ranking.



The occupied eighth position by the ZTZ-99A2 tank only confirmed once again the well-known fact that Chinese armored vehicles are exceptionally poor reliability, poor build quality and poor tactical and technical characteristics.

Ninth place ranking - PT-91M Twardy (Poland)



The ninth place was taken by the Polish tank PT-91M Twardy, which was developed at the beginning of 90-s based on the obsolete Soviet export tank T-72М1, supplied by the Soviet Union to Poland in the 80-ies of the XX century.

According to the results of the simulation of an oncoming tank battle, the Polish tank PT-91M managed to win only one victory over the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1. At the same time, after a battle conducted by Pakistani tanks, in the ranks there are less than one company of combat-ready Polish tanks, in total 7 units. Which clearly testifies to the unconvincing victory of the Polish tanks.

The remaining 11 battles Polish tank lost outright.

Tenth place ranking - Al-Khalid Mk.1 (Pakistan)


The last tenth place in the ranking is taken by the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 tank, which established an absolute anti-record, losing all 12 from 12 to simulated oncoming tank fights to all of the higher ranked representatives of the tank rating.




Conclusions

When compiling the tank ranking of the best main battle tanks 2012 of the year, 13 of the main battle tanks of the leading tank-building powers of the world were analyzed for the first half of 2012 of the year. The counter battle tank battle of a tank battalion against a tank battalion at a distance of at least 2 kilometers was taken as the basis of the battle. The simulation was based on the real, two most key characteristics of any tank - firepower and security.

Simulation of an oncoming tank battle at a distance of a kilometer 2 showed that the most powerful tank in the modern armored world today is the Ukrainian main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot, which surpasses all modern and prospective tanks in the world by all indicators.

The second place of the tank rating was shared by the German tank Leopard 2A7 and the American Abrams M1А2 SEP Version 2.

Comprehensive design simulation revealed that the first three tanks of the rating have a huge combat potential unattainable for today for the rest of the dozens of modern main battle tanks of the world.

Dividing the third place among themselves, the first five of the tank rating is closed by the Japanese Type-10 and the Israeli Merkava Mk.4. These tanks are in the first five of the most advanced, powerful and highly protected tanks of the world 2012 of the year.

The middle tanks in the tank world are the Russian tank demonstrator (concept tank) T-90MS Tagil, promising experienced South Korean K-2 Black Panther, Indian Arjun Mk. 1 and the British Challenger-2, which have relatively high combat capabilities.

Tanks below average showed up - French AMX-56 Leclerk, Chinese ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2) and Polish PT-91M Twardy.

The simulation revealed that the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 tank in the middle of 2012 was the weakest tank in the modern armored world.

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  1. RUS-36
    +1
    27 January 2013 11: 06
    When NATO troops begin to occupy Ukraine, a different song will be heard from the lips of neo-Ukrainians... 100%
  2. Axel
    -4
    27 January 2013 13: 20
    Quote: RUS-36
    When NATO troops begin to occupy Ukraine, a different song will be heard from the lips of neo-Ukrainians... 100%

    Yes, we are not against the NATO occupation, as long as it’s not our older brother!
    Finish the forest, the oil will run out, and will you eat the dogs?
    5-7 years and fertile land will be more expensive than oil and gas.
    1. 0
      27 January 2013 17: 23
      Quote: Axel
      if only not for his older brother!

      Have you re-read Orwell?

      although this is most likely the case
    2. Crang
      0
      27 January 2013 18: 35
      Apparently you've already eaten all your dogs.
      1. 0
        27 January 2013 18: 47
        Quote: Krang
        They've already eaten all their dogs

        A striking example of Moskal's arrogance.
        1. +2
          27 January 2013 21: 04
          Ha, minus the gorgeous picture!
          Continue
          Quote: Axel
          Will you eat dogs?

          Seem to be ?
          [Center][/ Center
    3. RUS-36
      0
      27 January 2013 19: 46
      We'll see.....knead...the Banderevets' sore.....the blacks will love you, and they'll smear the sore with lard...then you'll call your older brother for help, puppy...

      And you will still buy gas for gold... lol

      And you will still buy gas for gold. lol

      We'll see.....knead...the Banderevets' sore.....the blacks will love you, and they'll smear the sore with lard...then you'll call your older brother for help, puppy...

      And you will still buy gas for gold... lol
    4. RUS-36
      0
      27 January 2013 19: 48
      We'll see.....knead...the Banderevets' sore.....the blacks will love you, and they'll smear the sore with lard...then you'll call your older brother for help, puppy...

      And you will still buy gas from Russia for gold

      But I’m sure Ukrainians are fraternal people, but, like everywhere else, there are people like Axel
    5. 0
      19 June 2019 16: 14
      Six years later, well, how do you like the occupation under NATO, the IMF is twisting its arms, forced to lift the ban on deforestation for the sake of loans and now the Carpathians are leaving for the EU. And they forced you to lift the ban on the sale of land, and the land is being bought from you by the United States, not your older brother, littering everything with GMOs)))) Donbass is now at war with Kiev... Asking for help from Moscow, but Crimea was not happy with this prospect and now it Russia.
      Share your vision?
  3. EDW
    EDW
    0
    27 January 2013 18: 43
    lucidlook, yeah, back in September 1939, the Germans tested the operation of tanks together with infantry, aviation and artillery, then after another reorganization they tested them on the French. In tank battles against the USSR, it was also not just tanks that went into battle. And in recent history, tank-on-tank action is more of an exception to the rule than a pattern. And here spherical modeling “wall to wall” is being sold to us as the ultimate truth wassat
  4. cancel
    0
    27 January 2013 23: 08
    Such ratings look a lot like idiotic dementia
  5. Verdus_Prime
    -3
    28 January 2013 13: 19
    Yes, the rating is crazy... But the T-90 is no better than the Oplot.... how can they not get over it... I understand that patriotism is difficult to calm down... but what can you do...
    By the way, who doesn’t like the T-64?????...Are you mentally ill, guys?...At one time it was the most advanced and best tank...It was the one that scared NATO...They had nothing to oppose them with. ..
    The eternal “dislike” of Nizhny Tagil for Kharkov is understandable, but Kharkov started with “BT” and T-34, the T-64 did not even participate in hostilities (it was taken care of, unlike the T-72) and was much more modern (not for its age , but in terms of “filling”) than the T-72.
    They took care of it and did not sell it to anyone in vain, and did not plug holes in local conflicts... (remember Chechnya, and the removed remote control on the 72s... tanks were clearly not sent to the city for victories with the removed remote control... Although this is a separate and very sad topic...)
    And links to "Alexey Khopotov's blog" In general, it brings tears to my eyes... It’s like a child trying to prove that his toy is better than his neighbor’s... There, through the article, national hatred towards Ukraine and Ukrainians is expressed... A bunch of complete nonsense and misinformation...
    It’s impossible to say at all that any of the tanks is better... This is such a digression...
    But the fact that on Oplot many of the disadvantages and costs of the Soviet school have been eliminated is so... read the link.
    http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t84vst90skr2.htm
    Otherwise you will continue to think that “That is the ninety best tank in the world!”... Please note that I am not extolling the “Oplot”, you just started emitting and spewing too much crap and hatred... You call tanks like the Leopard crap , Merkava, Leclerc...Do you even understand what nonsense you are talking about?...Learn the materiel, guys, and the concept of using tanks of different states...The USSR never designed SUPERTANKS...The tank should have been simple, and as a result it can be easily repaired.. .be railway transportable for quick transfer...It must be able to withstand bridges and have weapons capable of withstanding Western armored vehicles...
    Therefore, let’s not start an interethnic fight... Otherwise I see that some “about the SR AN people” have already started this...
    For those who are interested, read it... Domain RU... Well, that’s true, by the way... Although you have problems with self-criticism... and serious ones...
    http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t84vst90skr2.htm
    1. 0
      28 January 2013 16: 00
      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      Yes, the rating is crazy...

      Why are ratings, especially simulated ones, made?
      An outsider will want to know, which tank is the best? And in the answer, among others, Oplot will see!
      I recalled:
      Port wine does not flow under a lying stone!

      And once again, about delusionality, excuse me, it’s an understatement, but this is such a conclusion as
      The occupied eighth position by the ZTZ-99A2 tank only confirmed once again the well-known fact that Chinese armored vehicles are exceptionally poor reliability, poor build quality and poor tactical and technical characteristics.

      can't be explained! Ranking explained low well-known performance characteristics of Chinese cars !
      Did the author confuse virtual with real?
      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      Please note that I am not extolling

      What is there to praise? After all, these are all cars of the last century!
      Nothing fundamentally new emerges from anyone!!!
      In my opinion, the situation is a little similar to the crisis in the development of military fleets of the last century.
      I hope the associations are clear?
      wink
    2. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      28 January 2013 17: 25
      Quote: Verdus_Prime

      Yes, the rating is crazy... But the T-90 is no better than the Oplot.... how can they not get over it... I understand that patriotism is difficult to calm down... but what can you do...
      By the way, who doesn’t like the T-64?????...Are you mentally ill, guys?...At one time it was the most advanced and best tank...It was the one that scared NATO...They had nothing to oppose them with.

      MBT T-64 is a revolutionary tank in the world tank building, which essentially gave birth to MBT as a class and determined the appearance of the entire Soviet tank building MBT.T-64 tank for an air and hydromobile army, equipped with strategic transport aircraft and ocean transport capable of delivering the T-64 to anywhere in the world, at that time on the west or east coast of the United States, or unload them together with the Soviet Airborne Forces directly to Kennedy International Airport. In terms of the weight of the MBT itself, the weight of the armor, weapons, control system, and driving characteristics, the T-64 is one of the best tanks 60-70s of the 64th century in terms of the totality of all its characteristics, and the best MBT. But... there was one thing, like any “revolutionary” vehicle, the T-64 was not without shortcomings, and as a result of weight-dimensional restrictions, and some innovative ideas, these were the low survivability of the chassis as a result of its overload, the two-stroke boxer that was not introduced at that time, the unfortunate location of the IR spotlight, and the hydromechanical MG, which was not very reliable at that time. Well, the main drawback is the inability of the KMDB to eliminate the very shortcomings of the tank and produce the required number of modern tanks in peacetime in a short time, and as a result, the complete impossibility of producing the required number of tanks in wartime. Over time, the shortcomings of the T-15 were eliminated; 1985 years passed; it was mid-1; a lot of money was invested in refining the tank. As we understand, it is unlikely that during this time the potential enemy would hardly have waited for the Soviets to catch up with their tank to trouble-free operation, and indeed the M2 Abrams, Leopard 90 appeared, the Leclerc and Type-XNUMX were designed.
    3. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      28 January 2013 17: 41
      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      The T-64 did not even participate in hostilities (it was taken care of, unlike the T-72) and was much more modern (not in age, but in “stuffing”) than the T-72.

      The USSR was ahead of the plans of the imperialists in tank building; in 1972, the T-72 MBT appeared, a mobilization version of the T-64 tank developed at UKBM. The T-72 MBT got rid of such shortcomings of its progenitor as the low survivability of the chassis, the unreliable MZ was replaced with an electromechanical AZ, the armor of the VLD of the hull and turret was increased, a reliable proven diesel engine took the place of the “fashionable” two-stroke, the only thing inferior to the T-72 MBT was the fire control system, in fact, on the T-72 it was as if it did not exist, in the form of a single complex. And this is, first of all, provided for by the way of seeing war according to the Soviet tank doctrine; nuclear war assumed the possibility of a complete release of electronic devices on tanks, to which the T-72 OMS was indifferent, secondly, the lack of advanced electronics reduced the cost of production, and thirdly, the tank The T-72 was supposed to be the first Soviet “commercial” MBT, that is, exported to friendly countries for cash in order to cover the costs of the military-industrial complex for the not very successful T-64. The T-72 MBT is a universal tank cruiser, it was created for a full-fledged field war in the ashes of the post-nuclear world, anti-tank warfare and infantry support, i.e. for everything that the T-64 MBT was created. MBT T-72 is a tank for a full-scale world war. T-72 is the best tank of the 80s of the twentieth century. The T-72 in further modernization will become the T-90 MBT, will receive a full-fledged control system of the T-80 tank, a new gun, a new even more protected turret and improved hull armor and a new remote sensing system.
    4. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      28 January 2013 18: 17
      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      They took care of it and did not sell it to anyone in vain, and did not plug holes in local conflicts..


      The T-64 did not participate in hostilities on the side of the Russian army due to the small number of them among the troops, some of them were used as training ones, some were without spare parts due to the collapse of the USSR and were awaiting disposal, the rest, which had exhausted their service life, were gradually disposed of. T-64s were not popular in combat units due to problems with the chassis and engine, and the manufacturer of spare parts for them remained in another country.

      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      But the fact that on Oplot many of the disadvantages and costs of the Soviet school have been eliminated is so... read the link.


      The fact is that these costs and disadvantages are not of the Soviet tank building school itself, but of the design of the progenitor of the T-90 tank and the Oplot BM tank, the T-64 tank. Of course, such a disadvantage of the T-64 is that the turret is parked on the left side, when the barrel “window” The PKT coincides with the top of the driver's head on the T-80UD, also known as "Oplot-M", no, but it was not there on both the T-80 and T-72. The main disadvantage is the not very successful layout of the fighting compartment, when the crew rides in an “embrace” together with shells and fuel tanks - racks; it cannot be eliminated without completely changing the layout of the T-64 tank, which is the basis for the T-90 and Oplot BM ", so the non-mechanized ammunition rack of the Oplot in the aft niche does not improve the situation much, it does not improve it at all. Since shells can only be loaded into the tray when the tank is stationary. The weapon operator has the additional burden of manual loading. Again, weakened zones - the gun mask and VLD - the inspection hatch on the Oplot BM, this problem was never solved, just like on the T-90. So these two tanks inherit common shortcomings from their direct "ancestor" T-64 and its technical concept.

      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      It’s impossible to say at all that any of the tanks is better... This is such a digression...

      Why not? Doesn't tank "tolerance" allow? Or is this a sign of “tank chauvinism”?

      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      The USSR never designed SUPERTANKS...


      There were many SUPERTANK projects in the USSR, many appeared in metal and were tested.

      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      The tank had to be simple, therefore easy to repair... be transportable by railway for quick transfer... It should be able to withstand bridges and have weapons capable of withstanding Western armored vehicles...


      MBT T-90
      1. Verdus_Prime
        0
        28 January 2013 21: 31
        About the disadvantages of the same MBT T-90...I don’t think it’s necessary...
  6. Verdus_Prime
    0
    28 January 2013 21: 49
    It’s impossible to say which is better than the T-90 or the Oplot... I hoped that they would understand me...
    None of these tanks are significantly superior to their opponents in any way... I hope everyone already understands why...
    So I’m not trying to prove to anyone that the Oplot is better, or the T-90 is worse)...
    I’m trying to convey the idea... that both tanks are not far from each other... and are at the same level... and by the way, not the first...
    I’m just against throwing mud at each other... And against the “ololoposreots” who, I repeat, are trying to prove here that “THE BEST TANK” or “OPLOTRULIT”

    By the way, a very interesting article...
    http://topwar.ru/12977-tank-chelovek-sreda-mashina.html
  7. Verdus_Prime
    0
    28 January 2013 22: 08
    I put it a little differently... There were SUPERTANKS... But things didn’t go beyond the prototype, GI, or even sketches... for the reason described above.
  8. 0
    28 January 2013 22: 53
    This year, Uralvagonzavod will create the first prototype of the new Armata main battle tank, and its serial production and deliveries to the Russian Armed Forces will begin in 2015. And I am 100% sure that after 2015 there will be hundreds of them!!! So all these MBTs that we are discussing here are essentially the last century!....
  9. ko88
    -4
    29 January 2013 04: 16
    Well, whatever you say, the Ukrainian tank is better than ours, but its superiority over the others is questionable.
  10. -1
    29 January 2013 15: 20
    Quote: ko88
    according to our best

    What do you agree with, there are a lot of them-o-o
    Leopard 2A7 (Germany) and M1A2 SEP Version 2 Abrams (USA)
    Merkava Mk.4 (Israel) and AMX-56 Leclerk (France)
    further on the list of civilized states

    Quote: ko88
    his superiority over the others is questionable.

    How liberally twisted it is, they have learned to smear it with cultured excrements, you won’t immediately understand that our tanks have sunk below the baseboard!
    1. ko88
      -3
      29 January 2013 17: 50
      Cynic, let me clarify, the stronghold is better than the Russian tank in many respects, and this is evidenced by the fact that the Ukrainian tank won the tender against the Leopard and T-90 for the supply of a batch of tanks to Thailand. They announced a tender and chose the best for themselves, everything was logical, and the losers went home. And no one lowered our tanks below the baseboard; they moved there themselves.
      1. Verdus_Prime
        0
        29 January 2013 21: 05
        ko88,
        I was hoping that at least someone would stop spouting patriotism good
        It's nice to see this, I would shake hands if I had the opportunity hi
        And yes... That Oplot that the ninetieth place is far from the beginning, I am glad that although it is not at the very end)
        1. 0
          29 January 2013 21: 36
          Quote: Verdus_Prime
          It's nice to see this, I would shake hands if I had the opportunity

          For that ?
          Quote: ko88
          Well, whatever you say, the Ukrainian tank is better than ours, but its superiority over the others is questionable.
      2. -1
        29 January 2013 21: 35
        Quote: ko88
        This is supported by the fact that the Ukrainian tank won the tender

        Do you know the history of the tender? So the Thais were deeply offended that they brought the wrong T-90!
        By the way, they agreed on the T-80U too!!!
        bully
        1. +1
          29 January 2013 21: 42
          Quote: Cynic
          that the wrong T-90 was brought

          and how could they bring THAT?
          Quote: Cynic
          By the way, they agreed on the T-80U too!!!

          Can I find out where this is mentioned?
      3. 0
        15 August 2021 14: 28
        Now, in 2021, do you see how you screwed up your Stronghold in Thailand? By the way, the “worse” T-90 became the most popular tank in the world. You are such an expert.
  11. 0
    29 January 2013 22: 17
    Quote: Kars
    what about THAT

    Salute !
    Tagil, of course, is very similar to the well-known joke (mockery) of the buyer: but if there was one, they would certainly take it!
    1. 0
      29 January 2013 22: 50
      Something went wrong with the browser, the post went through incompletely, so
      Quote: Kars
      where is this mentioned

      In the news feeds following the results of the tender, I just remembered that the 80 was not a strange car to me.
      The conversation, of course, was not about a specific T-80U, but its development, obviously. Ukraine made a good car based on it and won with it!
      1. ko88
        0
        30 January 2013 15: 15
        Judging by your comments, it’s as if “sir” you were personally on the commission for choosing a tank for Thailand)) and you actually know all the subtle moments of that event, when, say, the general public is unknown. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the Thais agreed to the T-55. You would tell us something else - in secret, what else are they planning against us)) soldier
        1. 0
          30 January 2013 17: 29
          Quote: ko88
          this is unknown to the general public. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the Thais agreed to the T-55.

          It is known, it is known. For those who don’t mind following the news feeds.
          Why T-55? The neighbors saw enough of the T-80U
          1. 0
            30 January 2013 21: 47
            Quote: Cynic
            Who doesn’t care to follow the news feeds?

            Example
            0Worldwide (by country) » __Thailand / Thailand will receive the first 5 tanks from Ukraine
            Bangkok, January 10 (New Region, Sergey Pavlenko) - The first five Oplot tanks, which are produced at the Kharkov state enterprise Plant named after. Malysheva" for Thailand, will be delivered to the customer in May.
    2. +1
      30 January 2013 00: 24
      drinks
      Quote: Cynic
      Salute !


      Quote: Cynic
      Tagil, of course, true

      Can’t you remember when the tender was announced, the interim results and when the Tagil was shown to the people for the first time/taken to an international exhibition.
      Quote: Cynic
      In the news feeds following the results of the tender there was

      A lot of things happen there, but I personally don’t remember such a mention of the T-80U in context.
      1. -1
        30 January 2013 17: 16
        Quote: Kars
        Don't you remind me

        You can try at least by reading the forum of this article
        Ukraine will supply Thailand with the first batch of Oplot T-84 tanks in May
        http://topwar.ru/22860-ukraina-postavit-tailandu-pervuyu-partiyu-tankov-t-84-opl
        ot-v-mae.html
        drinks
  12. Verdus_Prime
    0
    30 January 2013 20: 19
    They somehow didn’t want the T-90 either... Well, okay, if the people who were there and decided this issue are talking here... although I doubt it... You’re sad request
    Russian tanks have not been at the top for a long time... and not even close to it...)
    Or Ukrainian armored personnel carriers too))))... Then you can generally keep silent about the Russian ones)

    By the way, it says, and I quote:
    "General Prayuth said that during a recent trip to Ukraine he inspected the Oplot tank and believes that in terms of firepower and combat capabilities, the army chose good value for money."
    More expensive than Western tanks, yes...inferior to them in some ways, yes.
    There is not a word about the T-90...apparently they didn’t even take it into account?) Or how to understand it?))

    It also says that Russian tanks are not listed at all...
  13. RaFFeR
    0
    1 February 2013 16: 00
    I wonder if such comparisons of tanks take into account their specifics? I may be wrong, of course, but to compare different tanks on some abstract terrain... throw these tanks into the Murom swamps, the Merkava will not be able to move, but in its native Israeli terrain it will show itself in all its glory. actions in a city with dense buildings? in the desert at +50 degrees and
    sandstorms? at -30 there are eggs in the snow? on a perfectly flat surface? Is everything taken into account? :) and what is it - the best tank?
  14. Verdus_Prime
    0
    1 February 2013 21: 21
    Gravitank with a force field and an electromagnetic gun fellow
  15. RaFFeR
    0
    1 February 2013 23: 24
    laughing it would be interesting: leopard, leclerc... gravitank laughing

    It’s just that such lists of the best look somehow funny: a lot of smart words, but nothing more. Well, PR here is understandable, as well as the top 10 on YouTube, where the T-80 patriotically leads (I saw about it, unfortunately I didn’t save the link) to the appropriate music and against the backdrop of our tricolor. some try to compare performance characteristics - IMHO this is also not an option.
    I would like to hear the opinion of some intelligent engineer who sees a tank not as a combat unit, but as a product with structural, technological, economic, etc. advantages and disadvantages, incl. in relation to real combat. and for battle, at least in most of its variations.
  16. Verdus_Prime
    0
    2 February 2013 13: 18
    Not even an engineer... but a tanker who fought on many tanks and has the experience and knowledge necessary for this comparison wink

    Although the gravitank is still the coolest... soldier
  17. cyberpig
    -1
    3 February 2013 04: 29
    The rating is the same... But seriously, none of the above models participated in a real tank battle - that is, tank against tank (except perhaps the Abrams in Iraq, and even then - it seems that this was the previous model). Moreover, in modern conditions (the clashes of recent years) the greatest threat to tanks is not enemy tanks (which often simply do not have them), but grenade launchers and all kinds of anti-tank missiles, or, even better, explosive charges dug into the ground - from 300 kg to ton.
    Of all the above models, only three participated in real combat operations - Abrams and Challengers in Iraq and Merkava 4 in Lebanon. A lot of Abroms were lost - I don’t know how many exactly, and I also don’t know what losses were in the crews. Only two Challengers were lost in Iraq. In 2006, about 400 Merkava Mk4 tanks were used in a ground operation against Hezbollah in Lebanon. About 2500 anti-tank missiles and rocket-propelled grenades of various types, including “cornets” and “bassoons,” were fired at them. As a result, 44 tanks were hit, 4 of them were irretrievably lost, three of them along with their crews - all three ran over land mines buried on the road (it must be said - out of stupidity)...
    The development of modern types of weapons is an expensive business and not everyone can afford to do what the Americans do. Abrams' price-to-quality ratio is much worse than Tagil's. And their engines are just a song - the one on the Abrams is below any criticism - the gluttony is crazy - zero reliability, no maintainability. But the American diesel installed on the Merkava is also no good. That is why the decision was made (although there is no official confirmation of this, and most likely there will not be) - to replace the new armor and, possibly, the Trophy system with Mitsubishi engines. (By the way, this is only being done in this area - the Iron Dome air defense system is going to be replaced with destroyers in a 1:1 ratio). Therefore, the Japanese tank turned out to be very solid - the base is Leopard, the armor is from the Merkava, the Mitsubishi diesel is obviously the most reliable, economical and repairable, the electronics are based on Israeli technology, the quality is Japanese. So, in a way, you are right - you need to advertise your products - you see, you will be able to sell them to some Georgians (especially since they ended up selling the Merkavas) - and you will be able to cover at least part of the costs of development and production for yourself.
  18. Hunter 2-1
    -1
    15 February 2013 18: 26
    undoubtedly the T-90 is the best tank in the world and the person who wrote this article simply does not understand tanks negative
    1. 0
      15 February 2013 20: 40
      Quote: Hunter 2-1
      I just don't understand

      In your eyes, undoubtedly, but what can you add so that others would join you!
      hi
    2. 0
      15 August 2021 14: 32
      The Ukrainians downvoted your comment, but 8 years later it turned out to be very accurate.
  19. Verdus_Prime
    0
    1 March 2013 14: 29
    Judging by the spelling of the word "no doubt" you are very good at tanks... but "very bad at grammar" wink
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 15: 48
      Quote: Verdus_Prime
      you are very good at tanks...

      Everyone no doubt has the right to express personal opinion!
      There is something about this in Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
      Hmm.
      So I'm waiting for the second month when it opens Hunter 2-1, the mystery of why exactly
      Quote: Hunter 2-1
      undoubtedly the T-90 is the best tank in the world

      wink
      1. Verdus_Prime
        0
        4 March 2013 14: 22
        I don’t think we’ll wait for justification... smile
  20. Fenoriel
    0
    11 December 2013 17: 12
    I want to add my own IMHO)
    everything that has already been invented in the 21st century does not count yet... because a lot is classified... or only conceptualized in projects
    And if we evaluate the armored vehicles of the 17th century by their contribution to the development of tank building, then not the famous “thirty-fours”, “tigers”, “Abrams” and “merkavas”, but rather the “Renault FT-1” should be recognized as TANK No. XNUMX.
    anyone interested read it
    http://www.history-library.com/index.php?id1=3&category=istoriya-velikoy-oteches
    tvennoy&author=kolomiec-mv&book=20101
  21. Tanker12
    0
    15 August 2014 15: 03
    Hooray Ukrainian tank is the best
  22. 0
    14 September 2014 14: 30
    Without ololoppatriotism.
    The T-90S, of course, may not be the best in the world (there are cool Israelis and Germans)
    But in electronics it is cooler than the T-84. And newer.
    Yes, in the firebox, in any case, the T-84 cannot be better than Leclercs, Merkavas and Leopards))))
    Therefore, the compiler of this rating may go there - to the furnace
    1. 0
      15 August 2021 14: 34
      In Syria and on the border with Turkey, the T-90 turned out to be better than Leopards and Abrams.
  23. Mifodii
    0
    17 November 2014 22: 54
    I was shocked when I compared the T90 and T84. The T90 is inferior in almost all respects and that's a fact. Even the T90MS doesn’t quite reach it. The T90 has an outdated dead motor, the turret itself is inferior in strength, and the dynamic protection on it is outdated and not so effective, there are many vulnerable spots. In terms of maneuverability, the T84 is also at its best, the T90 in reverse gear goes no more than 5 km/h, and the T84 up to 30 km/h. The T90 also has a noticeable failure in navigation and guidance devices. In short, it became a little offensive for our T90.
    1. 0
      15 August 2021 14: 35
      Donbass showed how you crap in your opinion
  24. 0
    12 February 2015 15: 09
    Ahahahaha! It's just some kind of UKROSMI! Had fun! Especially the T-90 was dismissed with the epithets “morally outdated”, “did not add firepower” and other unfounded statements. It's just heat in the sixth ward Kashchenko))).
  25. 0
    April 3 2015 19: 21
    Needless to say, this rating is: “A good fit for the fan.” laughing
  26. 0
    9 May 2017 22: 33
    In fact, the Ukrainian Oplot has the same gun as the Russian Tagil. The layout and armor are also comparable Oplot = Tagil. There are no supernova design solutions included in Oplot. And that means, in principle, there cannot be such a gap in the rating as between Oplot and Tagil. There is a biased article advertising Ukrainian technology))
  27. 0
    27 May 2017 14: 42
    “People descended from monkeys, and monkeys from crests” - Ukrainian theory of anthropogenesis. The author is so ignorant of tanks that he put Al-Khalid in last place. This specialist doesn’t know that it has a Kharkov engine. Otherwise, everything is logical: in the first place are the ancestors of the monkeys (I don’t mean the normal inhabitants of Ukraine, much less the workers of the Malyshev plant who deserve respect, but those who write such articles), in the second place are the owners, then in random order the rest , with the exception of the jamb with the Pakistanis due to ignorance of the materiel. I didn’t dare put the damned Muscovites in last place, lest even my accomplices would laugh at all. I understand that these are “Opinions”, but nevertheless, such nonsense must be moderated at least somehow, a site with a claim to respectability
  28. 0
    19 June 2019 16: 07
    He died short of reaching 40 cars in 2019.