The best main battle tanks of the world 2012 of the year

In the advanced countries of the West, numerous studies have been published in which attempts have been made to determine the rating of the best basic combat tanks of the world today



Having analyzed in detail the previously created most famous western tank ratings, it was possible to reveal that all of them have a common characteristic error, which makes their results not legitimate - they were compiled by subjective evaluation without reference to the calculated modeling of tank battles, which would be based on close use in real calculations tactical-technical and combat capabilities of a specific tank sample in comparison with other tank models.

Well acquainted with the key mistakes of Western experts in the preparation of tank ratings, the first domestic tank rating is built on the key parameter of any weapons - combat effectiveness, that is, performance.

The basis of combat effectiveness was initially invested two main key parameters of the tank. The first parameter is security and the second firepower.

The most up-to-date main battle tanks of all major tank-building powers of the world were taken for modeling: Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1, Indian Arjun Mk.1, Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, British Challenger-2, South Korean K2 Black Panther, French AMX-56 Leclerk, German Leopard-2A7, American Abrams M1AHTs SEP version 2, Israeli Merkava Mk.2XX, Polish PT-4M Twardy, Japanese Type-91, Chinese ZTZ-10AXNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

A tank as a combat unit is in itself ineffective on the battlefield. The simulation was carried out taking into account that each main battle tank was considered in the system of application at the level of a tank battalion.

The basis for the tank battalion was taken by the state battalion in the 41 tank. In complex simulation modeling, the oncoming tank battle was taken as the basis of the battle.
The maximum initial combat clash distance between tank battalions was given in 2 kilometers. During the simulation, the firepower was calculated taking into account the individual advancement of the SLA and the use of ammunition characteristic of each type of main battle tanks.
The training level of the crew of the tested tanks was equally equal to everyone at the 0,75 level.

The calculations individually took into account the real level of security and reservations characteristic of each analyzed tank. The fire capabilities of the Pakistani Al-khalid Mk.1 were set by the ZBM-44 “Mango” armor-piercing feathered sabot projectile “Lead” with equivalent armor penetration 48 mm steel homogeneous armor; Indian Arjun Mk.650 for the condition of the simulation was equipped with Israeli BOPS with equivalent armor 1 mm; Ukrainian T-800 BM The stronghold was equipped with a new Ukrainian BOPS ZBM-84 "Gonchar" with 48 mm armor penetration; American Abrams M800A1 SEP Version 2; British Challenger-2; South Korean K2 Black Panther; Japanese Type-2 equipped with American BOPS M10A829 with armor penetration 3 mm; French AMX-800 Leclerk French armor-piercing projectile with equivalent 56 mm armor penetration The Chinese ZTZ-800A2 with the Chinese equivalent of the Russian ZBM-7 “Lead” missile with penetration 43 mm and the Russian T-800MS Tagil was equipped with the most advanced Russian ZBM-91 “Lead-44” with an equivalent armor penetration rate and 500-degree unit with an armor-penetrability system that had a chance to gain a level of 500 yards.

Under the conditions of modeling the oncoming tank battle, the battalion against the battalion, the winner of the tank rating was determined by the complete destruction of the enemy's tank battalion. A higher place in the tank rating between tanks that produced the same number of victories was determined by comparing the number of survivors (who retained combat capability) in tank battles in the winning battalions, thereby evaluating the combat effectiveness of a specific model of the main battle tank on the battlefield over its competitors rated.

First place ranking - the main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot (Ukraine)



After simulating an oncoming battle tank battalion battalion, it was possible for the results to reveal that the first place is occupied only by one tank - Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, who managed to win all 12 victories in all twelve simulated battles conducted with all tested tanks.

The simulation confirmed that the Ukrainian main battle tank BM Stronghold on firepower and security, at this time has no equal to itself, among modern and promising tanks in the world.

The survival rate of the Ukrainian stronghold BM tank after each battle carried out turned out to be no less than one efficient company, which also turned out to be the highest survival rate among other samples of the main battle tanks of other tank-building powers of the world.

The computational simulation carried out practically showed that the BM Oplot tank currently has among the most representatives of the tank world the most modern armor protection, which, combined with the built-in dynamic protection of the new generation Duplet, gives the tank incredible security by today's standards.



The Ukrainian main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot was developed at the Morozov Kharkiv Machine Building Design Bureau.

The best main battle tank of the world 2012 of the year Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot is produced at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" in the city of Kharkov.

KMDB, in conjunction with the Malyshev plant since the times of the Soviet Union, is the leading forge of world tank construction. Such legendary masterpieces of world tank building as tanks: BT-5 / BT-7, T-34, T-44, T-54, T-64, T-80UD Birch came out of the assembly shops of the tank factory named after Malyshev.

Second place ranking - Leopard 2A7 (Germany) and M1A2 SEP Version 2 Abrams (USA)


The best main battle tanks of the world 2012 of the year


The second place of the world tank rating of modern main battle tanks is shared by the German tank Leopard 2A7 and the American M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams.

The Leopard 2A7 and M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks won 12 simulated oncoming 10 tank wins, one draw (each other) and allowed only one defeat, losing only to one tank that won the first place - the Ukrainian T-84 BGMMM lost to the Ukrainian T.

Between the oncoming tank battle, the Leopard 2A7 and M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks were tied up, knocking out one second battalion to one surviving tank survivor. Thus, showing that the Leopard 2A7 and M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks are tanks of the same level having comparable firepower and security from a small margin in the direction of the German Leopard 2A7.

Second place occupied by the American M1А2 SEP V2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2A7 indicates that the American and German tank building develops in step with the times and occupies a leading position among other leading tank-building powers of the West.

Third place ranking - Type-10 (Japan) and Merkava Mk.4 (Israel)




The newly-formed Japanese Type-10 tank adopted by the Japanese armed forces in January 2012 and the Israeli most advanced tank Merkava Mk.4 share the third place among themselves.

In the oncoming tank battle, these two types of tanks in 12 battles won 8 victories, one battle was reduced to a draw and three battles lost, the first three tanks of the rating - Ukrainian T-84 BM Stronghold, German Leopard 2A7 and American M1А2 SEP VXNXXXXXXXXVXNXXX

Fourth place ranking - T-90MS Tagil (Russia)


The fourth place in the ranking is occupied by the experienced Russian T-90MS Tagil tank, demonstrated to the general public in the autumn of 2011 at the international exhibition of weapons REA-2011 held in Nizhny Tagil, Russia.

The demonstrator tank (concept tank) T-90MS Tagil is another improved modernization of the most modern obsolete serial Russian main battle tank T-90А of the 2006 model. After the Russian Federation Ministry of Defense refused to buy a very expensive tank for the needs of the Russian army T-90A, not responsible for the key parameter "price-quality", Scientific and Production Association "Uralvagonzavod", so as not to lose the state defense order for tanks in an emergency order on its own Ativ developed an improved tank upgrade version of the T-90A under a new name T-90MS Tagil.

The new version of the modernization of the T-90A tank in the T-90MS Tagil version did not give the tank phenomenal fire and driving capabilities, only once again inflating the prices of new tanks, thereby making the new tank even less attractive on the domestic and foreign weapons market.
Russian tank T-demonstrator 90MS Tagil during simulation of winning fights 12 7 counterpropagating tank battles in such tanks: Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1, Indian Arjun Mk.1, British Challenger-2, a French AMX-56 Leclerk, Poland PT -91M Twardy and Chinese ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2).

At the same time, the experienced Russian tank demonstrator T-90MS Tagil is inferior to such modern main battle tanks of the world: Chinese chto-84 BM Stronghold, German Leopard 2A7, American M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams, Israeli Merkava Mk.4 Siberian SEP V10 Abrams; As well as the Russian T-90MS Tagil slightly exceeds the new South Korean tank K-2 Black Panther.

As a result of modeling the oncoming tank battle between the tank battalions of the Russian and South Korean tanks, it turned out that the T-90MS Tagil tanks defeated the South Korean K-2 tanks. The South Korean K2 tanks were knocked out completely, and of the entire Russian tank battalion (41 tank), only one T-90MS Tagil tank remained combat-ready, so that was the Pyrrhic victory.

Fifth place ranking - the main battle tank K-2 Black Panther (Republic of Korea)



The fifth place in the tank rating is shared by the new South Korean tank of the third generation K-2 Black Panther. The South Korean tank scored 6 victories and 6 battles lost to the top four tank rankings.

Sixth place ranking - Arjun Mk.1 (India) and Challenger-2 (United Kingdom)






Modeling showed that these two types of tanks have equal combat potential. As a result of the simulation, the British and Indian tanks won 4 tank fights equally, 7 lost and one was tied to each other.

The draw between these tanks indicates that India, at 2012, has reached the technological level of British tank building in the development of its tank design.

The Indian tank Arjun Mk.1 was developed on the basis of the now outdated German tank Leopard 2A4, in fact, being its improved copy.

Seventh place ranking - AMX-56 Leclerk (France)


The seventh place is taken by the French tank AMX-56 Leclerk, which won only three tank fights from twelve in the Polish PT-91M Twardy, the Chinese ZTZ-99A2 and the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1.

The French tank Leclerk at the time of its appearance in the 1994 year, was the most advanced, high-tech and expensive fighting vehicle in the world. But until today, the French tank AMX-56 Leclerk significantly lost its initial advanced potential, as the French, firstly, completely closed the assembly line, and secondly, they have not spent a single major upgrade in all this time to enhance the security of previously produced tanks.

The security of the French AMX-56 Leclerk tanks remained at the same level, equaling the entire 650-700 mm in equivalent steel homogeneous armor. At a time when other Western tank builders in a timely manner improved the fire and armor characteristics of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger-2 tanks, making a significant leap forward.

Eighth place ranking - ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2) (China)


The eighth place in the world tank ranking is occupied by the most advanced representative of the Chinese tank industry, the tank ZTZ-99A2.

The design simulation showed that the Chinese representative, the ZTZ-99A2 tank, was able to win only two victories over the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 and the Polish PT-91M Twardy. At the same time, 10 lost out of twelve fights to tanks above the one in the ranking.



The occupied eighth position by the ZTZ-99A2 tank only confirmed once again the well-known fact that Chinese armored vehicles are exceptionally poor reliability, poor build quality and poor tactical and technical characteristics.

Ninth place ranking - PT-91M Twardy (Poland)



The ninth place was taken by the Polish tank PT-91M Twardy, which was developed at the beginning of 90-s based on the obsolete Soviet export tank T-72М1, supplied by the Soviet Union to Poland in the 80-ies of the XX century.

According to the results of the simulation of an oncoming tank battle, the Polish tank PT-91M managed to win only one victory over the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1. At the same time, after a battle conducted by Pakistani tanks, in the ranks there are less than one company of combat-ready Polish tanks, in total 7 units. Which clearly testifies to the unconvincing victory of the Polish tanks.

The remaining 11 battles Polish tank lost outright.

Tenth place ranking - Al-Khalid Mk.1 (Pakistan)


The last tenth place in the ranking is taken by the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 tank, which established an absolute anti-record, losing all 12 from 12 to simulated oncoming tank fights to all of the higher ranked representatives of the tank rating.




conclusions

When compiling the tank ranking of the best main battle tanks 2012 of the year, 13 of the main battle tanks of the leading tank-building powers of the world were analyzed for the first half of 2012 of the year. The counter battle tank battle of a tank battalion against a tank battalion at a distance of at least 2 kilometers was taken as the basis of the battle. The simulation was based on the real, two most key characteristics of any tank - firepower and security.

Simulation of an oncoming tank battle at a distance of a kilometer 2 showed that the most powerful tank in the modern armored world today is the Ukrainian main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot, which surpasses all modern and prospective tanks in the world by all indicators.

The second place of the tank rating was shared by the German tank Leopard 2A7 and the American Abrams M1А2 SEP Version 2.

Comprehensive design simulation revealed that the first three tanks of the rating have a huge combat potential unattainable for today for the rest of the dozens of modern main battle tanks of the world.

Dividing the third place among themselves, the first five of the tank rating is closed by the Japanese Type-10 and the Israeli Merkava Mk.4. These tanks are in the first five of the most advanced, powerful and highly protected tanks of the world 2012 of the year.

The middle tanks in the tank world are the Russian tank demonstrator (concept tank) T-90MS Tagil, promising experienced South Korean K-2 Black Panther, Indian Arjun Mk. 1 and the British Challenger-2, which have relatively high combat capabilities.

Tanks below average showed up - French AMX-56 Leclerk, Chinese ZTZ-99A2 (Type-99A2) and Polish PT-91M Twardy.

The simulation revealed that the Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk.1 tank in the middle of 2012 was the weakest tank in the modern armored world.

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  1. Sarus
    Sarus 22 January 2013 07: 09 New
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    Strange rating ..
    T-84 is better than T-90 ...
    It seems to me that a lot depends on the crew ...
    1. Reddragon 22 January 2013 07: 31 New
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      If you do not take patriotism, then why the Israeli tank, if not higher than the American, then at least not on equal terms? And the Briton is generally considered the most protected, but stands in 6 place ...
      1. ups
        ups 22 January 2013 08: 07 New
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        Yes, just an article from the Ukrainian portal, this explains everything) I saw it on the chips yesterday, I also did not understand at first, but then everything fell into place, an advertising booklet for Oplot wink
        And this is just a song)))
        Comprehensive design simulation revealed that the first three tanks of the rating have a huge combat potential unattainable for today for the rest of the dozens of modern main battle tanks of the world.
        1. LION 22 January 2013 09: 00 New
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          Tagil does not steer. Steers bead-dynamic armor.
          1. crazyrom 27 January 2013 04: 05 New
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            That is, it means Ukraine has become [quot] In the advanced countries of the West [/ quote] (since she herself did some modeling)? And what kind of tricky simulations do they have?
        2. andrey777 22 January 2013 10: 01 New
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          Indeed, there is an aggressive “Oplot” advertisement in order to increase sales and take part of the market from Russia. And we need to be more vigilant.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 22 January 2013 12: 34 New
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            Quote: andrey777
            Indeed, there is an aggressive “Oplot” advertisement in order to increase sales and take part of the market from Russia. And we need to be more vigilant

            It is necessary to quickly release Armata, then you will not have to worry.
            1. mexanik
              mexanik 27 January 2013 11: 12 New
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              andrey777,
              I think those who buy such equipment will not be dumber than ours. And this article is a provocation! To raise the country's prestige in the eyes of Ukrainians far from technology sad
        3. dmitreach 22 January 2013 14: 34 New
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          ups, at first I could not believe my eyes, then I looked at the domain ....
          http://alternathistory.org.ua/ samye-luchshie-osnovnye-boevye-tanki-mira-na-2012-god
          rzhunemagu
          T-90MS Tagil is another improved modernization of the most modern obsolete serial Russian main battle tank T-90A model 2006
          1. bach2007
            bach2007 25 January 2013 14: 25 New
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            so it is a baby, and do not argue, you need a new tank for a long time.
            1. Alexander Petrovich 25 January 2013 16: 39 New
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              there can only be - no comment fool
            2. GTI
              GTI 25 January 2013 22: 14 New
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              How many "Bastions" are in service with Ukraine? and we are building a new tank))
            3. bocsman 8 January 2017 12: 58 New
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              Quote: bach2007
              so it is a baby, and do not argue, you need a new tank for a long time.


              The funny thing is that most seriously discuss an article of this level.
              A simple example is Turkish leopards. Burn like nice and from whom ?! And the abrams! Here is the price of all these ratings! Traders of a piece of gov by wrapping it in a beautiful wrapper will vparit as the most innovative and best and most importantly useful product.
            4. ArhipenkoAndrey 9 January 2017 12: 51 New
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              The Ukrainian modeling of tank battles, especially the oncoming ones and the battalion for the battalion, is a very "objective" thing, but as they say "it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines", and the quality of equipment determines its combat use in real combat operations and, moreover, in various climatic conditions conditions, and here about the “most powerful” and “unattainable” “Oplot” I would say a theoretician warrior, didn’t mark himself as a good tank even in Donbas, and the oncoming battle of the Abrams even with the T-72B was for some reason not in favor of Abrams, well, yes this is also subjective, the best tank is a combination of f Ktorov and part of which is very difficult to calculate, just practice. Well, "invincible" Svidomo I wish peace.
          2. olosors
            olosors 29 June 2013 20: 44 New
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            t-90ms bullshit
            t-90s is much better
        4. bach2007
          bach2007 25 January 2013 14: 42 New
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          http://www.arms-expo.ru/053049049048124050052056052056.html
        5. rolik
          rolik 25 January 2013 15: 42 New
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          ups,
          They probably modeled there on the "Pentium" first. Or in general, on the Electronics calculator, release of 1988. Modelers, would go to Seryozha Zverev, he would teach them to model according to the last word of this direction wassat laughing
        6. mexanik
          mexanik 27 January 2013 11: 14 New
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          Compared to this article, the Discovery ratings are "objectivity itself"
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          1. venik 18 December 2016 02: 14 New
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            I wonder who this freak "yura4146902" put on the site and why the mat does not "moderate" ???
        9. Berkut24 16 December 2016 20: 30 New
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          ... and taking into account the fact that Ukraine produces tank guns using casing technology (a resource of 100-200 shots) and does not produce any new ammunition for them.
      2. Vladimirets 22 January 2013 08: 15 New
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        Quote: RedDragoN
        why is an Israeli tank, if not taller than an American, then at least not on equal terms?

        Yeah, Merkava shares third place with the Japanese ... recourse
        1. kot11180 22 January 2013 14: 14 New
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          The Japanese could not have had behind them the experience of tank building as we have in one fell swoop to create almost the best tank in the world, and indeed this rating is far from reality in my opinion
        2. Koshakai
          Koshakai 28 January 2013 13: 45 New
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          I just didn’t understand what kind of Makar this stronghold put on the shoulder blades of American, British and Russian tanks (even if separately).
      3. igor.borov775 22 January 2013 10: 59 New
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        I wish the rating compiler to never meet with the T-4MS tank that took 90th place. It’s just that nobody will be so colorful in any ratings
        1. yura4146902
          yura4146902 April 25 2014 17: 35 New
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          here is a video of katsabsoe t 90 stuck in the mud funny for the tank http://yandex.ua/video/search?filmId=ZQaw4LeKUXI&text=%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%82%D
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        2. yura4146902
          yura4146902 April 25 2014 17: 35 New
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          here is a video of katsabsoe t 90 stuck in the mud funny for the tank http://yandex.ua/video/search?filmId=ZQaw4LeKUXI&text=%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%82%D
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      4. Civil 22 January 2013 17: 29 New
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        Ukrainian tank in the first place? Thank you, neighing with pleasure)))

        Ukrainian tank, the most Ukrainian tank in the WORLD)))
        1. bach2007
          bach2007 25 January 2013 15: 50 New
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          http://vooruzenie.ru/publ/4-1-0-54

          Read gentlemen, you will be smarter!
          1. Cynic 25 January 2013 16: 55 New
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            Quote: bach2007
            Read ...

            So don't let it go!
            Secret golden key pah, the birth of another T-80 open!
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 22 January 2013 07: 33 New
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      Quote: Sarus
      a lot depends on the crew ..


      Everything depends on him.
      1. Terminator
        Terminator 28 January 2013 21: 17 New
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        Right! Even the victory of KamAZ at the Paris-Dakar rally confirms this! good
    3. Tersky 22 January 2013 07: 48 New
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      Quote: Sarus
      Strange rating ..

      I agree, more than strange. In my opinion, the rating was not compiled from actual characteristics and capabilities, but from the color of the flag ...
      1. Alexander Romanov 22 January 2013 07: 54 New
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        Quote: Tersky

        I agree, more than strange. In my opinion, the rating was compiled not from the actual characteristics and capabilities, but from the color of the flag ..

        Hi Vitya, I’ve made a rating of geimers, here’s 10-year-old boys and posted the results of the battles, and someone voiced wassat
        1. Tersky 22 January 2013 08: 15 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          yes see geimers rating compiled

          Hello Sasha! With tongue removed!
          1. Alexander Romanov 22 January 2013 08: 20 New
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            Quote: Tersky
            Took off the tongue!

            And it is also possible that the general director of the Kharkov plant, sitting in his office, compiled this rating laughing
            1. sharp
              sharp 22 January 2013 17: 53 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And it is also possible that the general director of the Kharkov plant, sitting in his office, compiled this rating

              I think here is different AFTOR Igor B.
              I recalled a joke of Soviet times.

              Dear passengers, we are pleased to welcome you on our 154 B airliner
              150 is the number of passengers
              4 is the crew
              and B ..... it's me Masha Ivanova
              1. Armata 22 January 2013 21: 46 New
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                Quote: sharp
                Dear passengers, we are pleased to welcome you on our 154 B airliner
                150 is the number of passengers
                4 is the crew
                and B ..... it's me Masha Ivanova
                Hi, comedian. But the joke is good. laughing good
      2. Cap-3 USSR 22 January 2013 09: 31 New
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        I agree to all 100. I would not be surprised if it was made up in the stronghold.
        1. mexanik
          mexanik 28 January 2013 21: 34 New
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          Most likely it is, this is a Ukrainian article.
      3. bach2007
        bach2007 25 January 2013 14: 26 New
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        so read the possibilities of yours and the rest and make sure that not everything in this rating is fiction.
        1. mexanik
          mexanik 28 January 2013 21: 35 New
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          bach2007,
          What opportunities, this is nonsense in general!
    4. FiReLiTh
      FiReLiTh 22 January 2013 08: 07 New
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      In mathematical modeling, the experience and training of the crew are taken equal. Another question AND WHAT MATHEMATICAL MODEL USED IN MODELING ??? In fact, there are not one or two such mathematical models. And they differ depending on the source data system (therefore, the results will be different). As I understand it, the author found one in which the Ukrainian tank is the best. "WELL DONE".
      1. Black Colonel 22 January 2013 09: 14 New
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        It’s just that another shooter participated in this simulation, where advanced gadgets are most likely to get for the T-84 Oplot. And the rating, respectively, was taken into account in terms of the nervousness of gamers of the aforementioned shooter. IMHO
      2. loft79 22 January 2013 20: 25 New
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        Mat. the model must be confirmed experimentally that it is sufficiently accurate. And so it's all zilch). You can create any. So you are right:

        Quote: FiReLiTh
        As I understand it, the author found one in which the Ukrainian tank is the best. "WELL DONE".
        1. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 28 January 2013 16: 43 New
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          Well, actually, any matmodel can be correctly adjusted to the desired result by manipulating the source data, coefficients, the number of runs, the given probabilities of defeat at a distance (and who determined them in practice), etc.
          Well, Ukrainians, as always, went too far. Well, they would at least put their Bastion in second place to ensure the visibility of the truth and independence of the rating.
          And so everything is clear without comment.
          1. loft79 1 February 2013 00: 19 New
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            I wanted to say that if the mat. make the model for the result, and not for the "articles", they try to take the initial data as accurate as possible. They check this model to sit and drink coffee later), "but it all counted itself)))."
      3. rolik
        rolik 25 January 2013 15: 44 New
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        FiReLiTh

        I say, in this simulation, the Electronics calculator of 1989 was used.
        1. Val_y 28 January 2013 16: 52 New
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          By the way, it’s a good calculator, I’ve calculated the whole institute on it, most importantly reliable, like a tank laughing
    5. YARY
      YARY 22 January 2013 08: 08 New
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      Strange rating ..
      T-84 is better than T-90 ...
      It seems to me that a lot depends on the crew ...


      No, it all depends on the rating component ... laughing
      1. Cynic 22 January 2013 12: 26 New
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        No, it all depends on the rating component ...

        Nah!
        We are not online! From the system administrator everything! From him heart!
        drinks
        1. ups
          ups 25 January 2013 08: 41 New
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          Not from the system administrator, but from the electrician drinks drunk electrician thunderstorm of everything in our electronic world wink
        2. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 28 January 2013 16: 46 New
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          Grandfather Stalin also liked to say: "It doesn’t matter how they vote, it is important who considers the result ..."
    6. pirate technician 22 January 2013 08: 08 New
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      Quote: Sarus
      Strange rating ..
      T-84 is better than T-90 ...
      It seems to me that a lot depends on the crew ...

      After reading the first 2 lines of the article and seeing the word "west" there I realized that the rating is bullshit! Because how many ratings I didn’t read, all of them have the first places that Leopard and Abrams occupy. The stronghold of which side was here I do not know.
    7. Vadivak 22 January 2013 10: 09 New
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      Quote:.
      Tagil T-90MS is another improved modernization of the most modern morally obsolete serial Russian main battle tank T-90A of the 2006 model.


      Well, wrapped up, did he understand what he wrote?
    8. igor.borov775 22 January 2013 10: 40 New
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      How interesting, Like in a movie, All the suckers are one square ahead, Drive out all the designers they are suckers, But seriously, you can slap a lot of such ratings, Where are the Brazilian tank Italian and others, A great advertisement for selling their equipment for the cordon, In the middle of 90 hit T -80U Europeans they defeated him completely, The conclusion was unpleasant in a collision in 80g with T-80_ tanks all of them lost to him, It’s not we who wrote that they were former enemies ascertained, But time flows, everything changes, But specialists do not change they have more opportunities , By the way, the t-90 is not upgrading the t-72, this is a completely different tank, and not at all frail opportunities, I wish the drafters of such ratings never really come across it, In general, the rating causes a smile, How stubborn it must be to write such a battle at the border 2km, I would like to have a look at this surviving Ukrainian tanker, I think the Yankees are laughing too, They give it, Well, the Germans probably reddened, Everything just comes under pressure on us and it doesn’t matter who presses, he just has the same specialists Well, I do not like that something is looming in a tank-building The uninhabited tower of a new tank scares everyone from here, and all the attacks come from, It’s not so easy to create a problem, start a series, It seems to me that our generals also cherished everything in Russia, They live and prosper, Failed to buy what they wanted now go in a different way, And the Oplot tank is also good, but the problem is with production, The country's budget is not rubber, and that they spin as they can
      1. Akim
        Akim 22 January 2013 10: 55 New
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        Quote: igor.borov775
        Where is the Brazilian tank Italian

        The Brazilian tank died in the early 90s. As for the Ariete, the pasta themselves admit it has lagged behind (it was created against the Albanian and Hungarian T-62).
      2. Cynic 22 January 2013 12: 33 New
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        By the way, the T-90 is not a modernization of the T-72, it is a completely different tank,

        What is the other?
        In the filling and the tower?
        But in principle, another is well noticed bully
        1. Endrew
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          A completely different tank with a chassis from the t72!
    9. Ribwort 22 January 2013 10: 40 New
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      Quote: Sarus
      Strange rating ..

      The article, apparently, is not complete. There is no afterword: "The simulation of tank battles was carried out as part of the update for" World of Tanks ".
    10. avt
      avt 22 January 2013 11: 09 New
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      Quote: Sarus
      Strange rating ..

      Yeah! One could still have 1st place-Oplot, 2nd place - Oplot, 3rd place-Oplot, further as in the rating laughing laughing Generally exclude Merkava, how little he fought, and leave only the "fighting veteran" of the Japanese. laughing
    11. Igor Belov
      Igor Belov 22 January 2013 11: 25 New
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      STRANGE??? Do you call it strange ?! Yes, it's just a mockery in the spirit of the unforgettable memory of the professor. Someone really imagines that the T-90 is placed on a par with the Korean and Indian tanks, and Merkava is ranked higher (???).
      YES YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT YOUR STUPID RATINGS AND REVIEWS !!!
      All this faculty-pimpled kodla clogged the information space of the site by imposing on us the superiority of foreign (in particular Israeli) weapons, although it has long been known that the Merkava is a dead tank (as well as much of the weapons that are made in Israel).
      1. Akim
        Akim 22 January 2013 11: 33 New
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        Quote: Igor Belov
        Someone really imagines that the T-90 is placed on a par with the Korean and Indian tanks, and Merkava is ranked higher (???).

        To reassure you and the rest of the patriots I will say a question. Do you remember from the history of pure tank battles? This is possible only in the program "Discovery" "Great Tank Battles." No one will launch tanks without infantry, without artillery and air support, without anti-tank weapons. So any ratings, including this one, can be put in W ...
        1. vorobey 22 January 2013 12: 56 New
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          To reassure you and the rest of the patriots I will say a question


          Akim, it’s good for you to reason in the first place even in such an authoritative rating. and we only got fourth place and 5 in the overall standings. even the right-handed Japanese bypassed. offensively understand? drinks
          1. Akim
            Akim 22 January 2013 13: 08 New
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            you come first even in such an authoritative ranking.

            I didn’t even see this tank in my eyes, in quantity and one thing, and not just the whole tank battalion. But I know that in a combined-arms battle in an attack when the T-64BV company is attacked with a motorized infantry battalion, the Poles battalion does with the PT-91 (there was such a KS game). The Leopard Brigade is on their western borders (withdrawn from our airstrikes).
    12. Crescent
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      T - 80 is better than T-72.
    13. bach2007
      bach2007 25 January 2013 15: 08 New
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      The obvious is obvious: both the Russian T-90 and the Ukrainian T-84 Oplot share common technological and design roots. Their basic samples were developed in the USSR and differ mainly in the running gear and power plant. The base model T-90 is equipped with a V-84 engine, the power of which is 840 hp. On the T-84 "Oplot" - a 6TD-2 two-stroke diesel engine, which has a horizontal arrangement of cylinders with a capacity of 1000 hp. Undoubtedly, both tanks are an advanced T-64 tank, created about 50 years ago in Kharkov.
      1. Cynic 25 January 2013 15: 37 New
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        both tanks are an advanced T-64 tank, created about 50 years ago in Kharkov.

        There is such a multivariate saying:
        Rise from sleep, learn materiel, go to sleep, teach again!

        So you can clearly feel you did not follow her! But well, better late than never!
        Teach materiel bach2007 !
    14. anton107798
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      What's so strange? Well, a year or two will pass, you will create a better tank and everyone will write "WOW HOW SO? RUSSIANS MAKED A TANK BETTER!" And the fact that OPLOT was better known since the day the tank was created ... But this is not the main thing ... the main thing is that you spit acid with anger ... why? Hindus then generally need to cry over their tanks. Who is to blame for you? When Kharkov invited Russia to make tanks together for Pakistan, he received a clear answer that Russia was not interested, moreover, they immediately stopped supplying barrels for tanks ... well, not at all, they set up their barrel production. Remember, and don’t forget ... Kharkov was the center of tank building ! And so he is still!
      1. Aleksey94 28 January 2013 14: 19 New
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        I understand that you and some others have pride.
        BUT, to think purely logically: the armament of the T-90MS and BM Oplot is similar, although the ammunition of the Oplot KT-7,62 mm is 450 rounds, the KT-12,7 mm is 1250, and the Tagil 300 and 2000, respectively; DZ tanks also have approximate parity; COEP, by and large, are also identical; "Oplot" has a slightly more powerful engine (6TD-2E - 1200hp), but a large mass - 51 tons, so the specific power is slightly lower - 23,5 hp / t., "Tagil" with a mass 48 t. Less power (B-93 - 1130 hp), therefore, the specific power of the Tagil is slightly higher - 24 hp / t. with less weight; the T-90 has a longer range of 550 km, 700 with external tanks, Oplot 400 km and 500 with external tanks along the highway, 90 and 345 km across T-520 rough terrain, 350 Oplot and 450 km, respectively. Nevertheless, the conveyor-type AZ in the T-84 is considered safer than the roundabout in the T-90.
        From all of the above, it’s not very clear to me how they were compared and what criteria the “modelers” used, although this is not a complete list of the criteria by which modern MBTs are compared. But on the other hand, on the Internet, you can also stumble upon a simulation of battles, where M1A1 or K2 "Black Panther" takes 2st place. There is an article on China Defense where the ZTZ-99 is the best tank.
        Well, at a distance of 2 km, that “Oplot”, that “Tagil” lose one of their serious advantages - KUV “Combat” and “Reflex-M”.
        Not one computer simulation will be able to fully reflect reality, such things are learned in practice, but I hope that this does not happen.
        1. Verdus_Prime
          Verdus_Prime 28 January 2013 15: 09 New
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          I can not agree ... the tanks are more than similar ... And they have their pros and cons ...
          But the majority here simply begin to break the international ... and exclamations like: "TEDAWS are BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ... AND WE ARE SUCKS" ... You will not look at such people without sorrow ...
          Here's what you need to decide .... and not garbage involved ...
          And then they say that “Ukraine is to blame everyone!” ... After reading the comments, for example, I started to hate certain Russians ... or how they like to call themselves “Russians” (people who did not study history well) ...
          This is sad ... We compare whose tanks are better ... It would be better if we remembered that once we defended our common Motherland ... and we didn’t see that the 34ka was developed in Kharkov, but it was made in the Urals ... That's what you need to think about. ..and don’t throw shit at each other ... Since, "wallpaper is pockmarked" ... both of them are in shit up to their ears ...
          1. Aleksey94 28 January 2013 18: 18 New
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            The problem with such problems is that one started and the other continued. It is important not to get involved.
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            Quote: Verdus_Prime
            And then they say that “Ukraine is to blame everyone!” ... After reading the comments, for example, I started to hate certain Russians ... or how they like to call themselves “Russians” (people who did not study history well) ...

            First you need to restore a true story, and finally, say that Ukraine is not a state, but a geographical region, like the Urals, Siberia or the Volga region, from which they made a quasi-state in 1921 as part of the USSR, cutting 4 times more territories from other regions, and almost full in 1991.
            But the worst is the other. The Anglo-Saxons, despite different states, never destroyed economic ties and maintained unity. Who is economically disadvantageous to maintain the unity of Eastern Europe in general and Russians in particular?
    15. chertick
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      a lot depends on the crew and the command of the battle as a whole, and not always the technical perfection of the machine determines the result, although of course the factor is very significant. In particular, the performance of the T-34 against heavier vehicles during the Second World War-2 was partially determined by the correct use of the advantages and disadvantages of the machine.
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 22 January 2013 07: 13 New
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    The best tank of the second half of the twentieth century

    T - 64? No?
    1. oleko51081 22 January 2013 10: 35 New
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      Therefore, instead of him, he jumps, taken out of the T-72 AV.'s stockpile. And they blow that this is an upgraded T-64, WHICH IF Jumping, IT WILL CRUMP.
      1. Verdus_Prime
        Verdus_Prime 28 January 2013 15: 12 New
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        Pichalka ... read the blog of Alyosha hlopotov?) ... It’s a pity ... that you can’t turn off the Internet for sick people, or block the exit of vyser and disinfection) ...
    2. Verdus_Prime
      Verdus_Prime 28 January 2013 15: 14 New
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      Yes 64) ... At least someone thinks ... and is not guided only by personal hatred and pseudo-patriotism ...
    3. Endrew
      Endrew 1 November 2013 21: 39 New
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      T-72! It will be better
  3. tronin.maxim 22 January 2013 07: 15 New
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    I will say this: no rating can identify the best tank in the world. The only place where you can really draw conclusions about the tank is war! After all, a tank becomes the best in the world only if it is controlled by a well-trained crew! A tank without a crew is just a piece of iron!
    1. dkv
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      Maybe from the number of available crews in reserve?
    2. dmitreach 22 January 2013 14: 41 New
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      only wars should be educated and motivated. neither as Georgians nor as Iraqis
    3. AER_69
      AER_69 29 January 2013 15: 40 New
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      Actually compare the tanks and not the crew. laughing
  4. Karpv 22 January 2013 07: 18 New
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    Quote: Sarus
    Strange rating ..

    I agree. Who made this comparison? Too little data to compare the article indicated.
  5. Nikaviz 22 January 2013 07: 24 New
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    Only fire contact will reveal who is WHO !!!!!!!!!!! wassat
    1. dkv
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      Go ahead, women give birth to tankers!
  6. Karpv 22 January 2013 07: 30 New
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    Quote - The basis of combat effectiveness was originally invested in two main key parameters of the tank. The first parameter is security and the second firepower.
    I doubt that anyone knows the real data of these tanks except their developers. And they will not tell them to anyone.
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 22 January 2013 07: 36 New
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    "... The oncoming tank battle of the tank battalion against the tank battalion at a distance of at least 2 kilometers was taken as the basis of the battle. The simulation was based on real, the two most key characteristics of any tank - firepower and security ... "
    That's when these same oncoming tank battles take place in reality, only then you can determine the best tank, and so ... all this from the evil one.
    for me this car is the best for today!
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 22 January 2013 07: 43 New
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      Stop forcing this tank, it was released in the amount of 3 and a half pieces, absolutely like Oplot
      1. oleko51081 22 January 2013 10: 41 New
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        This is many times the modernized St. Petersburg T-80 U, called "Oplot". Like the BTR-4, released for the first time and developed at Z. Malysheva, which had never produced an armored personnel carrier before. And ALREADY HAVE NOT PASSED ANY TEST, is already exaggerated as the best Russian armored personnel carrier -82a. What else do you want-they lie as always. Yes, and their factory threatens bankruptcy.
    2. Alexander Romanov 22 January 2013 07: 56 New
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      Quote: predator.3
      only then can you determine the best tank,

      yes, but we don’t have it, it’s expensive, only the avaricious one pays twice hi
    3. dkv
      dkv 22 January 2013 08: 59 New
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      Of course, there’s simply no other.
    4. Corneli
      Corneli 22 January 2013 18: 52 New
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      it’s logical that you are a Russian, and the first place to be taken for ANYWHERE from a Tagil who has not fought (you can record the stronghold even that)
    5. Director
      Director 25 January 2013 10: 35 New
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      The best was the T-80U and this is a tractor with tuning. Imagine if you rearrange all new equipment from TAGILA to the T-80. what a GREAT MACHINE would have turned out.
      1. Cynic 25 January 2013 15: 16 New
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        all new equipment from TAGILA to T-80.

        Fundamentally, the T-90 was born!
        Everything that was possibly taken from the T-80 and used on the T-72.
        It turned out to be a pretty decent modernized beast T-72B (BU?), Well, and then the political and business grimaces of our community turned it into a T-90. Well, it rolled ...
        wink
  8. engineer74 22 January 2013 07: 36 New
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    Again the news from a parallel universe! wassat Source: alternathistory.org.ua
    It is necessary to search the Polish rating ...
    1. neodymium
      neodymium 22 January 2013 08: 28 New
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      What do the Yankees think about Russian tanks:
      http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/01/blog-post_2954.html

      "It’s easy to say that Russians cannot make good tanks. But it is not.
      And, thank God, there are people who do not fast here, but think what to do with the reflex and DZ. |

      “But DZ is a cheap solution to make the medium tank well-protected. And Russia is the only country with a decent DZ. DZ is not a panacea, but if you can do it, then it works. Recent Russian developments can be a nightmare for the gunner and a tiring task for the loader (here why Leclerc has an AZ). "
      Compare tanks:
      http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/157/offset/12520
    2. Black Colonel 22 January 2013 09: 18 New
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      ... and at the same time Albanian. wassat
  9. PDM80 22 January 2013 07: 37 New
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    Yes, crap is not a rating, as the author reached our tank, it’s not so much about the tank, but about nonsense about our defenders! Merkava in 3rd place! And this is one of the most substituted tanks in the world from almost all types of weapons! I am absurd fool They probably modeled wall to wall, and who overreach whom no
  10. SIBIR38RUS 22 January 2013 07: 37 New
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    Not so scary Russian tank - like its drunk crew !!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) T-90 and T-84 Respect! :)
    Abrams sucks ...... Merkava and Leopard - it seems very good. The rest as competitors do not even consider :)
    1. Babon
      Babon 22 January 2013 07: 41 New
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      Well, why, Koreans and Japanese have very serious characteristics declared.
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        All sorts of characteristics can be invented so that the enemy is afraid and customers take. Tanks can only be checked in real combat, where you can also check the quality of crew training.
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        Quote: Babon
        Well, why, Koreans and Japanese have very serious characteristics declared.

        Both lack independent production of full-fledged sub-caliber shells.
        The production of guns is the same trouble. But the platforms are not bad.
    2. OTAKE
      OTAKE 22 January 2013 09: 03 New
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      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      Not so scary Russian tank - like its drunk crew !!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) T-90 and T-84 Respect! :)
      Abrams sucks ...... Merkava and Leopard - it seems very good. The rest as competitors do not even consider :)

      LOL knew that there would be at least one individual in a branch who would mention a crew, a driver, and something like "Abrams and Tomahawk with a fork, pitchfork !!! 11 pasan !!" Dear, slam, vodka for health, Mother Russia! but in fact, not to jokes, the people in the battles really perish, and you make of them some drunks
  11. Yurikus
    Yurikus 22 January 2013 07: 40 New
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    And it seems to me that there is truth in this article regarding the fact that the T-90MS tank is morally obsolete and something radically new is needed.
    1. Alexander Romanov 22 January 2013 07: 58 New
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      Quote: Yurikus

      And it seems to me that there is truth in this article regarding the fact that the T-90MS tank is morally obsolete

      Those who made a rating in the eyes of the T 90 MS saw at all? An idle talk and lobbying of some interested parties is possible. Advertising is the engine of trade hi
      1. engineer74 22 January 2013 08: 21 New
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        Advertising on the Ukrainian alternative history site? laughing
        I can’t drink so much ... what
    2. Armata 22 January 2013 10: 41 New
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      Quote: Yurikus
      And it seems to me that there is truth in this article regarding the fact that the T-90MS tank is morally obsolete and something radically new is needed.
      Suggest if there are ideas of what we need. It is interesting in what year the same abrams was created, and how many times have it been modified? Do you know that modified T90 to say so?
      1. Alexander Romanov 22 January 2013 11: 03 New
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        Quote: Mechanic
        Do you know that you modified the T90 to say so?

        Hi Zhenya, when he is drafted into the army, he enters the tank, then he will know. In the meantime, games on the computer will produce professionals of all levels request
      2. vorobey 22 January 2013 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Mechanic
        Suggest if there are ideas of what we need


        Can I dare? And let’s release T84. tears everyone with an advantage of 10 cars.
        1. Armata 22 January 2013 11: 47 New
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          Hi Sani.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the meantime, games on the computer produce professionals of all levels
          Gee, my little one has an 10 level tank in some kind of online game. I’ll ask for damn today to give recommendations to UVZ which tank to do.
          Quote: vorobey
          And let t84 release. tears everyone with an edge in 10 machines.
          So Sanya and you did not forget that we have a corporation for the production of plywood tanks in your garage? So do business interests, the Bastion we do not need.
          1. vorobey 22 January 2013 12: 01 New
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            for the production of plywood tanks in your garage


            because of your careless statements, we have such ratings. drinks
      3. leon-iv 22 January 2013 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Mechanic
        Suggest if there are ideas of what we need. It is interesting in what year the same abrams was created, and how many times have it been modified? Do you know that modified T90 to say so?

        you don’t understand, the abrash was created in the area of ​​democracy, and the intolerant totalitarian geydavit in the pro-Putin UVZ.
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          Quote: leon-iv
          intolerant totalitarian geydavitel


          real tanks are not afraid of dirt.
    3. Warrawar
      Warrawar 22 January 2013 12: 56 New
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      Quote: Yurikus

      And it seems to me that there is truth in this article regarding the fact that the T-90MS tank is morally obsolete and something radically new is needed.

      Yes, you're right, he really is out of date. That is why it is not bought into the troops and waiting for a new generation tank - Armata.
  12. SIBIR38RUS 22 January 2013 07: 47 New
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    [img] http://demirenko.blog.ru/feeds?from=102510963 [/ img]

    As far as I understand, we forgot about t-95 forever? :(
  13. andrey903
    andrey903 22 January 2013 07: 47 New
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    It is felt that the rating was Each of their own
  14. engineer74 22 January 2013 07: 48 New
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    “During the simulation, firepower was calculated taking into account the individual advancement of the OMS and the use of ammunition characteristic of each type of main battle tank."
    That is, the practical rate of fire was not taken into account? AZ and loader leveled by parameters?
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      And at the same time patency through mud, sand, snow and the loyalty of the Russian Santa Claus am
    2. zadorin1974 22 January 2013 12: 06 New
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      engineer - pins more from 2 kilometers, and before that they didn’t see each other, the crew training 0.75 (does it mean that loading the crew is difficult? - correspondingly low rate of fire (and you can push the wrong kind of PSU in fever).
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        I was generally surprised by the "simulation" input set. I’m afraid to think about the reliability of the mathematical description of processes. what
  15. SIBIR38RUS 22 January 2013 07: 49 New
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    Where b .... d t-95 is being asked ?! Forgot our warriors about him forever, as I understand it? :(
    1. engineer74 22 January 2013 07: 57 New
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      Calm In the fall, “Armata” was threatened to roll out, so we are waiting!
      wink
  16. Ash
    Ash 22 January 2013 07: 50 New
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    Something tells me that the conducted "simulation of battles" was invented by the authors of the article. There are no links, no detailed description of the modeling process, nor where it was conducted, nor by anyone. What parameters and in which dependencies from each other were considered. I'm afraid that the generalized "security" and "firepower" - the maximum degree to which the author was able in his imagination to detail this very "battle simulation".
    I remember when preparing a diploma project while still at school, I evaluated the combat effectiveness of Topol. There, for example, security means the probability of avoiding an attack, expressed in terms of the average speed of the complex, the time spent on emergency coagulation with average calculations. Also the probability of maintaining a combat-ready state when the launcher is located at different distances from the epicenter. There were also the probabilities of bringing the signal to launch by various means of combat control. it looked at the probability that the missile could overcome missile defense systems, separately — the probable circular deviation, separately — the charge power. All these probabilities then added up to the probability of hitting the target under the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons by the enemy. In short, there were a lot of dependencies. And all this is purely theory.
    PS: In general, the author, give me the link or formulas. And then it carries quackery from your article a mile away.
    1. igor.borov775 22 January 2013 10: 50 New
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      There is no search for possible buyers for quackery, And everything else is pure water,
      1. Kars 22 January 2013 13: 54 New
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        Quote: igor.borov775
        no, there is a search for potential buyers

        Yeah, they are sitting on Top Var and choosing tanks according to ratings))))))))
        1. generatorbred 12 March 2015 21: 41 New
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          not t-90ms, but t-90cm. I don’t understand what the 90cm and 84 stronghold demonstrators do here and yes what are the successes 84 in the Donbas ??? those 10 with crippled pieces ??? 90cm to the Russian army are not supplied and will not be, it is exported. as an expert you need to know! by the way where are the successes of the best of the best ???? Please list the tanks T-64 Damask steel and T-90A at least more than a hundred made them. and tanks like Wishlist and farting overboard! not of current interest! when these pieces of iron are stamped at least then there will be something to talk about. something like this.
  17. logik
    logik 22 January 2013 07: 52 New
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    Indeed, a strange rating. Security is good, the equivalent of armor is an indicator, but nothing more. The most striking and famous example is the T-34 and the Tiger, the armor of the latter is much larger, but in battle it loses.
    IMHO, the author of this rating wants to simply wish our tank builders to create a tank that without any ratings will be recognized as the best.
    1. Vladimirets 22 January 2013 08: 21 New
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      Quote: logik
      a well-known example is the T-34 and the Tiger, the armor of the latter is much larger, but in battle it loses.

      Tiger loses in battle T-34? And in what? According to general operational characteristics, maybe, but in battle?
      1. LION 22 January 2013 09: 12 New
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        The tiger was already losing in that it was not a tank at all, but a tank destroyer. He was not suitable for a blitzkrieg. On the Kursk Bulge it was used en masse and attacked in the forehead. The tank must break through the defenses and go to the rear to smash communications, warehouses, headquarters, supply convoys, cut roads in important directions, etc.
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          Quote: LION
          The tiger was already losing in that it was not a tank at all, but a tank destroyer.

          Quote: LION
          On the Kursk Bulge it was used en masse and attacked in the forehead.

          Well, be afraid of God, re-read what you wrote yourself: the tank is bad, because it is made to destroy tanks?
          The tiger is heavy — yes, difficult to operate — yes, expensive to manufacture — yes, requiring a well-trained crew — yes. Well, so it was made for the anti-tank struggle and the tasks of it and the T-34 are different. T-34 infantry support weapons, and it is incorrect to compare them. And certainly the T-34 Tiger does not lose in open battle, rather the opposite.
          1. Cynic 22 January 2013 13: 00 New
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            Well, so it was made for anti-tank struggle

            Sorry, but it wasn’t produced, but was used, it had, as it were, other tasks.
            Do not confuse Panzerjäger Tiger Sd.Kfz.186 (Jagdtiger)

            with PzKpfw VI "Tiger" for example
            1. Vladimirets 22 January 2013 15: 45 New
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              Quote: Cynic
              Sorry, but not produced, but used, he, as it were, has other tasks

              If not a secret, which ones?
            2. Vladimirets 22 January 2013 16: 06 New
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              Quote: Cynic
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Well, so it was made for anti-tank struggle
              Sorry, but it wasn’t produced, but was used, it had, as it were, other tasks.
              Do not confuse Panzerjäger Tiger Sd.Kfz.186 (Jagdtiger)

              Wikipedia:
              According to some Western historians, the main task of the Tiger tank was to fight against enemy tanks, and its design corresponded to the solution of this particular problem [4]:

              If in the initial period of World War II the German military doctrine was mainly offensive, then later, when the strategic situation changed to the opposite, the tanks began to play the role of a means of eliminating the breakthroughs of German defense.

              Thus, the Tiger tank was conceived primarily as a means of combating enemy tanks, whether on the defensive or on the offensive. Consideration of this fact is necessary for understanding the design features and tactics of using the Tigers.

              On July 21, 1943, the commander of the 3rd Panzer Corps, German Bright, issued the following instructions for the combat use of the Tiger-I tank [5]:

              ... Given the strength of armor and the strength of weapons, the Tiger should be used mainly against enemy tanks and anti-tank weapons, and only secondarily, as an exception, against infantry units.

              As the experience of battles showed, the Tiger’s weapons allow it to fight with enemy tanks at distances of 2000 meters or more, which especially affects the morale of the enemy. Strong armor allows the Tiger to move closer to the enemy without the risk of serious damage from hits. Nevertheless, one should try to start the battle with enemy tanks at distances of more than 1000 meters.
              1. Cynic 23 January 2013 11: 13 New
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                Quote: Vladimirets
                According to some Western historians,

                According to others, by the way more numerous, the Tiger was created as breakthrough tank .
                By the way, Vicki is another source.
                Well, yourself, analyze the information contained in your post given the time it began to be developed, and this is somewhere around 37/38:
                Quote: Vladimirets
                in the initial period of World War II, the German military doctrine was mainly offensive ...

                You want to say at that time you knew that
                Quote: Vladimirets
                then later, when the strategic situation changed to the opposite, the tanks began to play the role of a means of eliminating the breakthroughs of German defense.

                Reich professed the theory of blitzkrieg, as ours had a theory of war on foreign territory and all those who disagree both there and here, at best, for Mozhai!
                A pearl
                Quote: Vladimirets
                “Tiger” was conceived primarily as a means of combating enemy tanks, whether in defense or offensive. Consideration of this fact is necessary for understanding the design features and tactics of using the Tigers.

                Maybe
                In accordance with the designation as a heavy tank of a breakthrough, the Tiger I had a powerful reservation on all sides.

                In general, just about everything as with the expression
                “Science has a lot of geeks”
                but it was originally
                “Science knows a lot of giants”
                drinks
          2. LION 22 January 2013 16: 53 New
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            The tank should combine everything that I wrote above. Fighting tanks is not a priority. Therefore, the Tiger (the design assignment of which was given in the fortieth year (I can be mistaken)) is a mistake of the “Teutonic genius”, as well as subsequent tanks. Therefore, the rating "Tank vs Tank" is incredible stupidity. If you understand it, the first place in the hot spots is Merkava, the first place in the World War is the domestic T80-90. The first has good protection (front engine) and landing, the second power reserve, dynamics and three tankers instead of four.
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          Quote: LION
          The tiger was already losing in that it was not a tank at all, but a tank destroyer. He was not suitable for a blitzkrieg. On the Kursk Bulge it was used en masse and attacked in the forehead. The tank must break through the defenses and go to the rear to smash communications, warehouses, headquarters, supply convoys, cut roads in important directions, etc.

          Sorry, just the Tiger - a full-fledged tank just against field defense. It has a serious reservation, both the forehead and the sides, which allows you to safely maneuver on the field, and also has a full high-explosive projectile suitable for the destruction of field fortifications.
          Cruising range of 80-150 km allows you to make a breakthrough in the right place and consolidate success. The stock of shells for several days of fighting. What is it worthless, except for the price?
    2. Black Colonel 22 January 2013 09: 25 New
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      ??? I wonder why this T-VI is losing the T-34 ???
      1. Drejk 22 January 2013 11: 15 New
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        Black Colonel, ??? I wonder why this T-VI is losing the T-34 ???
        1-range defeat at a direct distance
        2-armor
        3 sights
        4-availability connection
        5-improved commander review
        6-gear
        1. Cynic 22 January 2013 13: 02 New
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          You forgot to mention the sub point: the presence of a night sight.
        2. postman
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          Quote: Drejk
          1
          88 mm KwK 36 (with electric release) versus 85 mm ZIS-S-53
          (see table below)
          tests in the British army managed to achieve five consecutive hits on a target measuring 40 × 50 cm from a distance of 1100 m.
          Quote: Drejk
          2-armor
          ,Yes....
          The economic blockade did not allow to obtain alloying additives, and many of them did not have their own deposits in Germany.
          Under OTHER EQUAL CONDITIONS: what kind of hardware will you choose?
          Quote: Drejk
          3 sights

          T-VI
          - Gunner’s hinge sight.
          - The Pz.Kpfw.VI optical sight (TZF9b / TZF9c) allowed firing on armored vehicles without training at a distance of 1200 meters. After the shooting, the Tiger could hit a stationary tank at a distance of 2500 meters. The design and excellent quality of the sight allowed to fire at dusk.
          The 11-ton tower was hydraulically rotated with variable speed

          Quote: Drejk
          4-availability connection

          FuG5 Why is it bad?

          Quote: Drejk
          5-improved commander review

          ?
          http://pro-tank.ru/images/stories/tank-t-34-85/tank-t-34-85_38-big.jpg

          http://pro-tank.ru/images/stories/2-mirovaya/germany/tank-tiger-6_04.jpg
          http://pro-tank.ru/images/stories/2-mirovaya/germany/tank-tiger-6_08.jpg

          Quote: Drejk
          6-gear

          An automatic hydraulic transmission servo-drive made it possible to shift gears, which were eight forward and four back, with two fingers! And the rotation of the tank was carried out by a slight turn of the helm. There was no such convenient control on any tank of the Second World War, with the exception of the Royal Tiger, where the same transmission was used.
          Test Drive. heavy tank Tiger Pz-Vl

          + RFP MG 42
    3. igor.borov775 22 January 2013 10: 51 New
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      No, there is a serious war for the sale of tanks, but how to improve the image the only way
    4. Drejk 22 January 2013 11: 12 New
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      I can not agree. In equal battle, the tiger never lost the t-34, if only because the performance characteristics of both tanks were imprisoned for different things. T34-mobile melee and medium battle tank (500-1000m) T34-85-do1800metrov. The power of the tiger relates it to tanks for working at long and medium distances. The 88mm long-barreled gun could hit enemy tanks at a distance of 1500km and this was facilitated by good Zeiss sights. If the battle took place at distances of 300 meters or less, then the difference in booking was reduced to zero and the tank won, whose crew skillfully maneuvered and got out of the attack. So do not write nonsense, comparing TT and CT. My grandfather fought on the T-34, and when meeting with the tigers, they never went into equal battle.
      1. ariy_t 22 January 2013 12: 05 New
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        You’re wrong, my friend Drejk .... In close combat, the T-34 maneuvered faster than the tiger’s tower was spinning ... So if the T-34 went to close combat (even with 76mm), the tigers are krantets ... That’s even the Germans admit ... Yes, and the classes are different, the tiger is a heavy tank, and the T-34 is medium ..
        1. leon-iv 22 January 2013 12: 09 New
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          yes yes and in WOT herds of mice run around.
      2. Vladimirets 22 January 2013 15: 51 New
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        Quote: Drejk
        I can not agree. In equal battle, the tiger never lost the t-34, if only because the performance characteristics of both tanks were imprisoned for different things.

        Who are you arguing with yourself now? At least quotes insert those to whom your comments relate. Everything seems to be stated above that the Tiger is more powerful than the T-34, at least because it is tanks of different classes.
    5. Cynic 22 January 2013 12: 44 New
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      an example is the T-34 and the Tiger, the armor of the latter is much larger, but in battle it loses.

      Loses somewhere with the score 3: 1.
    6. vitya29111973
      vitya29111973 23 January 2013 00: 57 New
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      That's just the problem: the thirty-four did not penetrate the tiger’s frontal armor and never won, therefore, in the forty-fourth the T-34-85 modification came out.
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        Tigers were mainly used from ambushes ... that was his main tactic.
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        Quote: vitya29111973
        That's just the problem, the thirty-four did not break through the frontal armor of the tiger and never won

        Yes, in general, and with the airborne problem was, because the quality of the shells left much to be desired due to violations in technology. There were no competent technologists and materials scientists, the scientific potential after the civil war was at zero, and in 10 years, a scientific school could not be raised.
    7. bodzu 4 November 2017 10: 55 New
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      Let's figure it out. T-90 of any modifications full localization of development and production in Russia. Abrams was a complete development and production in the USA was once. Challenger was the development and production in England. Leclerc was the development of full production in France. Leopard was the development and production. Now France and Germany are only talking about the joint design and production of BT. Merkava full production and design of BT. For local conflicts, the technique of England, France, Germany may be suitable, and as the author pointed out before the battalion. All that is longer and longer from the realm of fantasy. Since there are, first of all, no mob. Resources - crews, unlike China, Russia and Israel. something like this for today. And let the author dream.
  18. Babon
    Babon 22 January 2013 07: 54 New
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    And if you also add rate of fire? The Leclerc seems to have a good rate of fire.
  19. evgenii67 22 January 2013 07: 56 New
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    I read it, neighing !!! This is nonsense, here is the author of the storyteller, neighing, thanks !!! I don’t even want to comment
    1. Ash
      Ash 22 January 2013 07: 57 New
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      The author of the article is a pro-Western Ukrainian journalist. :)
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        Quote: Ash
        The author of the article is a pro-Western Ukrainian journalist. :)

        Well, why pro-Western. A small-town nationalist, of those gopniks who go on a gang to a neighboring yard to fight.
    2. igor.borov775 22 January 2013 10: 53 New
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      Other tank representatives laughed along with you
  20. logik
    logik 22 January 2013 08: 01 New
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    There was a post about our tank in Syria, here is a real indicator, approval (gratitude) of the crew (living) for the tank.
  21. Ash
    Ash 22 January 2013 08: 01 New
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    Fifth place in the tank rating divides [with whom shares ???]the new South Korean third-generation tank K-2 Black Panther. South Korean tank scored 6 wins and 6 fights lost to the first fourи tank rating.
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------


    Serious fears for the author’s competence, not only as a specialist in armored vehicles, but also as a journalist. He even confuses cases. The author, a gram of the Nazis can come for you! Aren't you afraid?
    1. Black Colonel 22 January 2013 09: 27 New
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      Yes, he seems to be translating an article in Promte
  22. Egen 22 January 2013 08: 02 New
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    Quote: predator.3
    firepower and security ... "

    It is interesting how all this was taken into account, for example, rate of fire, mobility, the terrain of battle, the operation of nodes and units and the probability of their failure, etc. And why only 2 km? At a distance of 2 km, the Tigers fought :) It is necessary to start IMHO by advancing to the concentration area, remembering more about the Panthers near Kursk :)))
    But I’m really picking on it. In order to simulate normally, IMHO needs to roll back all tanks on the same training ground and remove a set of parameters from each. And so ...
    BUT it’s good already that it’s not just like in most ratings that someone has thicker armor and a gun ... longer :), but they model it!
  23. stranik 22 January 2013 08: 03 New
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    Where did this rating come from? Bullshit is all this.
  24. logik
    logik 22 January 2013 08: 05 New
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    Quote: Egen
    whose armor is thicker and the gun ... longer :), but they model it!

    I appreciate your humor laughing
  25. Stan badboy
    Stan badboy 22 January 2013 08: 05 New
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    Ahaha. Thank you in the morning neighing over this "rating" led by the "invincible" T-84. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. GurKhan will need to give a link. Let him also laugh at Kharkov tank "products." They’re in their Kharkov cannot export 72-roller rollers by removing them from the T-55. And their tank in the first place? In general, not a rating, but a complete golimaya crap that causes only an ironic smile.
  26. stalker
    stalker 22 January 2013 08: 14 New
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    Here is the rating !! All ratings are rated ((in the furnace
  27. andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 22 January 2013 08: 15 New
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    This article is based on the results of battles in the World of Tanks ???
    1. Stan badboy
      Stan badboy 22 January 2013 08: 20 New
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      Yes, nothing ... it's better. Here, according to the results taken from the bulldozer. It looks like the agony of the Kharkov factory. Apparently, things are really bad.
  28. igor36 22 January 2013 08: 18 New
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    Stupid rating. Not taken into account the difference in tactics of application, what is a counter tank battle? 41 versus 41. And in what area? Central European plain, Arctic, mountains, desert? Different machines are created for different conditions and tactics. For that matter, some of them will really never have to meet. would then publish schemes, counting tables. In my opinion, all the modeling happened in someone's head. So they would have written: as an advertisement for the plant named after Malysheva.
    1. Black Colonel 22 January 2013 09: 30 New
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      Tanks can be found, for example, in neighboring caponiers.
  29. BTRANDREI
    BTRANDREI 22 January 2013 08: 40 New
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    The article was written by UA and the coolest T-64 (stronghold), in Russia they are all sent for re-melting. Only so, super article :).
    1. igor36 25 January 2013 15: 14 New
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      and write, then on what you created your stronghold, we have already handed over for scrap.
  30. IRBIS 22 January 2013 08: 40 New
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    Something I did not understand, on our site, a direct advertisement of the game World of Tanks began? I can’t evaluate the article otherwise because I haven’t read a more “down to earth” rating yet.
    I don’t want to offend the author, but I can give advice: it’s better to continue playing “shooting games”. Technical and combat expertise is clearly not your hobby!
    1. leon-iv 22 January 2013 11: 47 New
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      her tanks forced lower but the current of the Chinese. There were no Ukrainian tanks in the USSR
  31. Nova 22 January 2013 08: 43 New
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    "The best main battle tank of the world in 2012 Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot." And if you remove the Russian T 80 from this Ukrainian tank, what remains?
    1. Setrac 26 January 2013 21: 43 New
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      I’ll clarify, remove the Soviet T-80. But Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, has the full right to say - the Russian tank.
  32. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 22 January 2013 08: 49 New
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    And did this “modeling” happen by chance in Andryushka’s head?
  33. tomket 22 January 2013 08: 54 New
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    if you write an agitation, you would try to openly advertise words - the most modern is the most incredible protected, well, at the end of the track record of the plant))))) well, the track record of the Pakistan plant was not posted if the article is the most preferential in the world?))) )))
  34. Leisure 22 January 2013 09: 00 New
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    Taken from the Ukrainian site on alternative history. Even discussing this article is not serious.
  35. 3030
    3030 22 January 2013 09: 14 New
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    Looks like a T-84 tank brochure! “The best main battle tank of the world in 2012, the Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, is made at the State Enterprise“ Malyshev Plant ”in Kharkov.“ - What a modesty in the advertising booklet! lol
  36. Shulz-1955
    Shulz-1955 22 January 2013 09: 17 New
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    Yeah, I don’t know what to write. Well, everyone already knows that, and it’s not necessary. Finger nonsense.
  37. leon-iv 22 January 2013 09: 22 New
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    IMHO the best tanks are those who are constantly fighting, and do not stand at exhibitions.
    So this whole Soviet zoo + carrot + abrasha
    1. Kars 22 January 2013 13: 59 New
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      ______________
      I try))))))))))))
      1. leon-iv 22 January 2013 15: 35 New
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        Kstet and why did you stuff this Polish misunderstanding.
        And what about the challi 2 that he did not put in 1st or 2nd place?
        1. Kars 22 January 2013 15: 41 New
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          Quote: leon-iv
          why are you

          I don’t need someone else’s, I just spent 20 minutes reposting.
          Quote: leon-iv
          And what about the challi 2 that he did not put in 1st or 2nd place?

          Only on the second, there may be real buyers of tanks here, and I won’t repeat the mistakes of the generals of the Russian Federation with 17 upgrades.
          1. vorobey 22 January 2013 15: 44 New
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            leon-iv,
            Kars,

            shit. repeat
          2. leon-iv 22 January 2013 16: 00 New
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            lolko and more popular poets you sell 72 matches?
            1. Kars 22 January 2013 16: 05 New
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              Are you selling pops to 72?

              But do the Papuans have money for Oplot? Or will the Papuans be able to master it?

              So the Papuans are poop, and if there is money (like Thailand, by the way, are they poop?) Then Bastions.
              1. vorobey 22 January 2013 16: 19 New
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                Quote: Kars
                So the Papuans are poop, and if there is money (like Thailand, by the way, are they poop?)


                Andrey, rushing into you. you are in shock.
                Quote: Kars
                Papuans popuasnoe
                1. Kars 22 January 2013 16: 57 New
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                  Quote: vorobey
                  . you are in shock

                  Years of training, with bringing the same arguments, to the same pritenzii.

                  And the professor thanked the ungrateful blacklisted me. There, if anything on the subject, you will answer him, I quote in full.
                  In the course, I put Morkov 3 instead of 4,)))))
                  1. Kars 22 January 2013 18: 44 New
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                    And here's another interesting ---- post a serious article

                    http://topwar.ru/12977-tank-chelovek-sreda-mashina.html

                    there are 50 comments in half a year.

                    And on this for half a day 200))))) as much as a specialist is, already horror))))))
              2. generatorbred 12 March 2015 22: 02 New
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                Azerbaijan and India must also be considered in the list of Papuans ??? Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Byv. Yugoslav. Papuan too? Poles and Czechs, India and Iraq also bought a license! and when telling about the Papuans, remember one nuance (a little off topic) all the Iranian nuclear scientists (who force the whole west with bricks) gained knowledge in the nuclear field in the west and have Western diplomas, etc. etc.! today's president of Iran defends his dissertation (I don’t remember what kind of institute) is the best in Britain. it is the Papuans.
  38. Burbur 22 January 2013 09: 25 New
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    Ha ha ha ha Ukraine is promoting Oplotik ....
    Well, yes, where are the leklers, the mercenaries, not to mention the t-90 right up to the Oplot!
    Laugh. From the series “Drill Inclined”.
  39. Parabelum 22 January 2013 09: 27 New
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    The source, the website "Alternative History" http://alternathistory.org.ua/samye-luchshie-osnovnye-boevye-tanki-mira-na-2012-
    god certainly deserves 100% confidence. Resolve to predict a rating depending on a site domain:
    .ua - Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot
    .pk - Pakistani Al-Khalid Mk. 1
    .in - Indian Arjun Mk. 1
    .gb - British Challenger-2
    .kr - South Korean K2 Black Panther
    .fr - French AMX-56 Leclerk
    .de - German Leopard-2A7
    .us - American Abrams M1A2 SEP version 2
    .il - Israeli Merkava Mk.4
    .pl - Polish PT-91M Twardy
    .jp - Japanese Type-10
    .cn - Chinese ZTZ-99A2
    .ru - Russian T-90MS Tagil
  40. akbarr
    akbarr 22 January 2013 09: 36 New
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    I’m not going to talk about the rating yet - nonsense from beginning to end.
    Delivered a photograph of an Indian tank - decorated with Hindu flower wreaths like a holy cow on the eve of a local holiday wink
  41. Professor 22 January 2013 09: 48 New
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    Left article - they write about Merkava 4, and the photos were uploaded by the third model ... damn experts. fool
    1. Cynic 22 January 2013 13: 10 New
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      and posted a photo

      You need to be thankful for this, otherwise you would have posted

      and prove that this is not the last Merkava model, such as the fifth
  42. Karpv 22 January 2013 09: 54 New
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    I will simply quote, conditionally agreeing with them: according to the BPS, Tarasenko determined the equivalent of the frontal protection of the T-90A in 800mm. On the same site, Tarasenko, in his article "US Tank Ammunition of 120mm Caliber," gives the following armor penetration values ​​for American BPS, calculated using the Lanz Odermat formula: M-829A1–651 mm, M-829A2 - 710 mm, M-829A3 - 770 mm. Moreover, for modifications A1 and A2, the forecast values ​​of the Russian Steel Research Institute and TACOM data are also given. For A1, respectively, 700 and 635 mm, for A2 - 750 and 620 mm.
    This is taken from this article http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/01/blog-post_22.html
    I think a conclusion can be made. I will give one more link http://btvt.narod.ru/1/tank3.htm.
  43. sonovlad
    sonovlad 22 January 2013 09: 58 New
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    some crap
  44. Nechai
    Nechai 22 January 2013 09: 59 New
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    Quote: Egen
    And why only 2 km?

    Increase the firing distance and Abrams leaves at least in the middle of the list. Does the modulator even know that the range of the M1A2 gunner can measure with a quantum range finder NOT more than once every 8 seconds?
    Strange organizational structure of the TB in 41 vehicles ... Simplified virtual simulation of "ideal tank combat in a vacuum." With an attempt to "objectivity and independence" from the realities ... Yeah, such a new knightly tournament.
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 22 January 2013 13: 51 New
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      Increase the firing distance and Abrams leaves at least in the middle of the list. Does the modulator even know that the range of the M1A2 gunner can measure with a quantum range finder NOT more than once every 8 seconds?
      , but you can source on this info, just please not the words of the French gamer who Abrams saw only in the pictures. lol
      1. vorobey 22 January 2013 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Eraser
        Increase the firing distance and Abrams leaves at least in the middle of the list. Does the modulator even know that the range of the M1A2 gunner can measure with a quantum range finder NOT more than once every 8 seconds?
        , but you can source on this info


        There will be no direct information, but I think this is interesting. indirect confirmation, so to speak.


        The wavelength of holmium and thulium lasers is 2,0 μm. This radiation is not only safe for the eyes, but also less attenuated by a dusty atmosphere. In addition, he has significantly weaker (about 16 times) compared with the wavelengths of 1,06 and 1,54 μm Rayleigh scattering, which facilitates the implementation of covert range measurements. It is believed that these lasers have good operational and minimum weight and size characteristics. However, there is no information about the use of these lasers in complexes of tank and anti-tank weapons.
        The most promising for samples of armored vehicles are carbon dioxide (CO2) lasers, compatible with a radiation wavelength of 10,6 μm with the spectral range of standard thermal imaging sights (8 ... 12 μm). Positive properties of the emission of CO2 lasers:

        safe for the eyes;
        taking measurements through the curtains of exhaust gases of tank engines, haze and light fog;
        the possibility of using meteorological ballistic factors in systems of automatic accounting, for example, for estimating the lateral component of wind speed and in friend-or-foe systems;
        the possibility of realizing a high frequency of repetition pulses.
        Disadvantages of CO2 lasers:
        coincidence of the wavelength of the propagated radiation with the line of its strong absorption by water vapor of the atmosphere;
        low reflectivity of objects (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.) at a wavelength of 10,6 microns in comparison with the ability to reflect radiation with a shorter wavelength;
        difficulty in manufacturing and higher cost characteristics;
        insufficiently high reliability.
        Apparently, these shortcomings cause a certain drop in the interest of foreign specialists in CO2 lasers, which was manifested, in particular, at the 2001 exhibition in Abu Dhabi, at which they were not presented. However, it is precisely such lasers that modern models of M-1 series tanks (USA) can be supplied, manufactured directly for their army, as well as the latest BMP series M-2 models, the modernization program of which includes bringing these machines to a new standard that meets the requirements of the beginning of the current century.

        The most promising type of laser, in spite of a number of shortcomings noted, is CO2 - a laser combined with standard thermal imaging systems. Modern models of armored vehicles in the United States are supplied with just such lasers

        http://www.ormvd-zib.ru/mag/1041.html
        1. vorobey 22 January 2013 18: 08 New
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          and here are some more interesting things for abramophiles.

          Shortly after the operation was completed, the U.S. Army leadership instructed the Main Financial and Control Department to conduct an analysis of the effectiveness of American armaments and military equipment (B and W) in the Persian Gulf in order to more fully bring the armament capabilities into line with customers' requirements. With regard to armored weapons, such analysis was subjected to the actions of the M1 and M1A1 Abrams tanks, as well as BMP M2A1 and M2A2 Bradley. During the operation in the Persian Gulf, they showed a fairly high efficiency. However, according to the information of the service of the deputy chief of staff of the US Army ground for operational matters and planning, during the period of the hostilities there were hit 20 BMD "Bradley" and 12 were damaged. Of this number, 17 vehicles were damaged and three were damaged by the fire of American troops. Of the nine Abrams tanks destroyed, seven were fired by “their own”.

          The reason for such frequent firing at their vehicles, according to American experts, was the lack of sights on the Abrams tanks and on the Bradley BMP, which had a large magnification ratio and high resolution.

          Participants in the hostilities and representatives of the army training center in their reports also confirmed the need to solve the problem. One training center report indicated that gunners could see potential targets at range 4 m and more, detected by thermal imaging sights, while on the displays they looked like “hot spots”. Identification of the goal, that is, recognition of the “friend or foe” object, was possible only at a distance of 000 - 1 m in clear weather and 500-2 m in conditions of limited visibility.
          The main armament of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles was capable of hitting targets beyond these ranges: ATGM TOU - at a distance of 3 m, 750-mm tank gun - 120 m or more, 3-mm gun BMP "Bradley" - 000 m.

          http://www.soldiering.ru/army/tank/so_obt.php
          1. Eraser
            Eraser 22 January 2013 20: 37 New
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            Well, they learn from their mistakes, because they solved the problems. I actually asked Nechai about infe, because I had already seen several times that after the appearance of that article (although it’s already old, but the gur-khan breathed a second life into it), people are already using their misinformation as facts, and this is not OK.
  45. vorobey 22 January 2013 10: 27 New
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    Very interesting rating. and very interesting tests.

    Quote.

    In the conditions of simulation of oncoming tank battle, the battalion against the battalion, the winner of the tank rating was determined by the complete destruction of the enemy tank battalion.

    Further. quote
    Between themselves oncoming tank battle tanks Leopard 2A7 and M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams reduced to a draw, knocking out battalions of one second to one combat-ready surviving tank.

    The newly-formed Japanese Type-10 tank adopted by the Japanese armed forces in January 2012 and the Israeli most advanced tank Merkava Mk.4 share the third place among themselves.

    In the oncoming tank battle, these two types of tanks won 12 victories in 8 battles, one battle brought together and lost three battles, the first three tanks of the rating - the Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, the German Leopard 2A7 and the American M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams.


    Toli guys are nonsense. toli paranoia.

    quote.
    The basis for the tank battalion was taken by the state battalion in the 41 tank. In complex simulation modeling, the oncoming tank battle was taken as the basis of the battle.
    The maximum initial distance of a combat collision between tank battalions was set at 2 kilometers

    but the conclusions already quote
    The battle was based on the oncoming tank battle of a tank battalion against a tank battalion at a distance not less than 2 kilometers.

    dear author, did you shoot stationary models on the surface of Lake Chudskoye?

    This is a true rating. the author does not show this work to anyone else.
    1. engineer74 22 January 2013 14: 10 New
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      What is not clear here? In the mat. The model introduced a negative approach speed. hi
  46. Lopatov 22 January 2013 10: 33 New
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    Interestingly, only I get the impression that this is a Ukrainian banter, designed to show how all these ratings are compiled?
    A sample is taken, which should take first place, and evaluation criteria are adapted to it.
  47. Nechai
    Nechai 22 January 2013 10: 37 New
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    Quote: vorobey
    work.

    Do you think this is "labor" ?! Then on the pot the author just hunchback.
    1. vorobey 22 January 2013 10: 53 New
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      Hello Valera.

      Thank you very much to the administration and site for the fact that the speech and spelling of the author were left unchanged in their original form.

      Valera can only say thanks to the author for the bottom photo 62, by the way an interesting model. Caterpillars with OMSH yet. I agree that this is one of the best tanks of the 20th century.
      1. Kars 22 January 2013 14: 02 New
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        Quote: vorobey
        say thanks to the author for the bottom photo 62

        This is my personal addition to the original source (even though it was also reposted in Alt)
        1. vorobey 22 January 2013 15: 14 New
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          Quote: Kars
          Quote: vorobey
          say thanks to the author for the bottom photo 62

          This is my personal addition to the source.


          Hi, hi. I felt a catch, though I didn’t consider what. everything is so serious. And even T84 steers. drinks
          1. Kars 22 January 2013 15: 21 New
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            And what a cool article. How many emotions aroused. It was also difficult for me to agree with such a low place of Challenger 2.
            Quote: vorobey
            And even T84 steers

            naturally
            1. vorobey 22 January 2013 15: 41 New
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              Quote: Kars
              naturally


              if you still say that leon was aware of this razvodilov I will be offended and will stand under the banners of your worst enemies, the Gurkhanists.

              And I almost believed in the sincerity of such a study. but only a knowledgeable person could pry off with 62.
              1. Kars 22 January 2013 15: 49 New
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                you still say that leon was in the know

                maybe ---- I threw him a link to this article on yesterday's article about Mali.
                Quote: vorobey
                And I almost believed in the sincerity of such a study

                Well, the author is most likely sincere, and I will support BM Oplot in the first place in any case (therefore, in principle, I voiced my ratings without mentioning it, but as soon as the first tanks are adopted by Thailand ....)
                Quote: vorobey
                but so knowing could only 62
                until the last minute I was sure that it was a T-55, the accordion diverted all my attention, then I just looked closely.

                But let someone try to deny that the T-55/62 is not the best tanks.
                1. leon-iv 22 January 2013 16: 05 New
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                  But let someone try to deny that the T-55/62 is not the best tanks.
                  By the way, they will also steer in battles for a long time.
                  , but as soon as the first tanks will be adopted by Thailand ....
                  but as soon as the first baht drives them a year. that is more correct. And it’s even more correct a year after the Thais themselves have served that year.
                  1. Kars 22 January 2013 16: 08 New
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                    Quote: Kars
                    but as soon as the first tanks will be adopted by Thailand

                    No, it’s exactly how it will be transferred to service.
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    how Thais themselves serve this year.

                    then that the T-55 is complete crap after what the Arabs did to them in the Arab-Israeli wars?
  48. SIBIR38RUS 22 January 2013 10: 38 New
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    An under-trained crew will be able to crawl any tank in battle ..... at least 90, at least 80, at least a leopard ... The battle strategy must be present in the crew’s minds first ... Automation and electronics will not fight, the human factor is 100% success of the battle .. IMHO.
  49. Kyrgyz 22 January 2013 10: 40 New
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    Demonstration tank (concept tank) T-90MS Tagil is another improved modernization the most modern morally obsolete serial Russian main battle tank T-90A model 2006
    This is about a Russian tank, there are still not enough qualities such as Ocupantian, Gazorvarian, and the filthy Finugor is not Slavic at all laughing
    only one tank takes the first place in the rating - the Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot

    There is not a word about moral aging and anything else, stupidly the best and point
    Guess who wrote the rating? laughing
    that they all have a common characteristic error that makes their results not legitimate
    This mistake is that they are not Ukrainians laughing
  50. Akim
    Akim 22 January 2013 10: 47 New
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    I will not argue who is better. To begin with, “our” tankers have a completely different tactic. vorobey I hope to confirm my words that in our battalion there are only 31 tanks (for the tank brigade) in the mechanized brigade in the battalion of 40 tanks. A completely different combat formation (depth, front, etc.)
    By the way, the Poles have tanks of Soviet types and German. When the Soviet tanks switched to Western tactics, they were the losers. They didn’t fit for it. Experts suggested developing a combined tactic, but those who shook the West refused.