The Petrel is not good for war

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I will begin my article with this statement: the latest rocket with a reactor on board the Petrel is, of course, a wonderful product, only practically unsuitable for war.


According to some, this is the "Petrel" in flight




Of course, such a statement will cause a great passions of passion, as the "Petrel" simply causes bouts of delight among the cheers-patriotic public. But, nevertheless, there are arguments for that.

Strange adversary stupidity


The main advantage of the Petrel is that the missile, possessing a very long flight range and the ability to maneuver, will be able to bypass the boundaries of radar detection and the boundaries of interception, and then hit an important target.

And what exactly is the important goal? They say right there - the command center. Well, just which command center? The Americans and their allies have a lot of them. Major centers, such as the NORAD command post in Colorado Springs, are housed in well-protected bunkers with the expectation of a powerful nuclear strike, and it is doubtful that the Petrel can even hit them with nuclear equipment. Regional and functional commands, as well as fleet and aviation, are located, as a rule, at bases already covered by various means of air defense / missile defense. Moreover, this has been done a long time ago, since the appearance of the X-55.

The capabilities of the American air defense / missile defense systems are quite enough to detect and intercept the Petrel on the approach directly to the target. Even taking into account the stealth of the rocket (if it is made on the basis of X-101, the EPR of which, according to published data, is 0,01 sq.m), the detection range of the rocket by AWACS aircraft is still 100-120 km, F-22 can detect it at a distance from 65 to 80 km, and the Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system can detect from a distance from 70 to 90 km. By the way, the Americans are already buying the Israeli system and are planning to deploy at least two batteries by 2020, apparently, just to protect the most important objects from cruise missiles.


Israeli Iron Dome. Using it against makeshift Kassam raises questions, but against the very expensive Petrel, it’s just right


As soon as the Petrel is spotted on the way to the target, it will be relatively easy to shoot down, because, according to current estimates, the rocket has a subsonic flight speed. If there is an interceptor in the air, then under favorable conditions, he will be able to dump the Thunderbird with a burst of airborne guns, as a training target. It is also impossible to exclude the possibility of accidental detection of a missile in flight by some URO frigate, an airplane, or standing on watch of an air defense system that was in the right place.

It is an extreme degree of arrogance to believe that an adversary such as the United States will not cover its command centers, and indeed any other critically important objects, with air defense / missile defense systems designed to intercept air targets directly near the object. The bet that the enemy will be impenetrably stupid, in my opinion, is extremely unreliable in principle, and it’s hard to call recklessness to develop a complex and expensive model of weapons for such tactics “dumb”. Nevertheless, the tactical use of a new type of weapon should take into account a smart opponent and all his possible countermeasures.

Will there be enough missiles for all purposes?


The next program item: the number of goals. US Army Command Only - 11. Together with the commands of their allies (one cannot strike only at the American headquarters and leave the headquarters of their allies in NATO or other agreements untouched) the number of the highest priority goals freely reaches two dozen. If you collect all the goals, the defeat of which is critical in order to deprive the United States and its allies of the opportunity to conduct hostilities anywhere, I think that a list of 150-200 goals will be freely typed.

And it is hardly possible to seriously count on the fact that it is possible to destroy a large command center with one non-nuclear cruise missile.

And here a question arises, for which there is no answer yet: how many "Petrels" will be? The number plays an important role. Even if we assume that the Petrel can fulfill everything that is now attributed to it, that it can somehow circumvent or break through the enemy’s missile defense systems, it should be noted that the further effect is determined by the number of missiles. 3-5 of the best, "unparalleled in the world," missiles of victory in the war have not been achieved. If we keep in mind a certain Russian outcome of the well-known concept of a “quick global strike”, then in order to topple an opponent with a certain guarantee, you must have the 200-300 “Petrels” order.

Can Russia do so much? Interest Ask. Here you need to understand what it is all about. In my opinion, the Burevestnik propulsion system is a combination of a turbojet engine and a compact nuclear reactor, the heat of which is used to heat the working fluid instead of burning fuel in conventional turbojet engines. The reactor must be very compact and fit in the dimensions of the X-101, and at the same time be already quite well mastered. There was such a development, or rather, there was: a Topaz nuclear power plant designed for satellites. It is quite possible to adapt it to new tasks by creating a heat sink from the core to the heating chamber of the working fluid in a turbojet engine, as well as by creating a sealed protective shell of the core.


"Topaz" near. Most likely, this reactor became the prototype of the Petrel reactor. Other types of reactors are not suitable for size and weight.


But such a compact nuclear reactor is a complicated and expensive thing due to the abundance of special materials used in it. The USSR, with all the power of its military-industrial complex, was able to make only two "Topazs" for the Cosmos-1818 and Cosmos-1876 satellites. I do not think that the current Russian capabilities in the production of such compact reactors are significantly higher than in Soviet times. So, most likely, the construction of a large series of Petrels is an unattainable goal. They will do two or three for the sake of intimidation, and that’s all.

And in general, to make such a complex and expensive product for the sake of a single start-up is more than a dubious idea.

When to start the reactor?


There is another question that directly relates to the combat readiness of such a rocket: when to start the reactor? Now it is completely not considered, especially by those who consider the Petrel another Wunderwaffe, but it depends on this question whether the Petrel will be weapons, at any moment ready for battle, or it will be a device that, for launching, it will be necessary to “podshamanit” highly qualified specialists.

Three options are possible. First: the physical launch of the reactor is carried out after the launch of the rocket, already in the air. Second: the physical launch of the reactor is carried out on the ground, under the supervision of specialists, and then the start is made with the reactor already operating. Third: the physical launch of the reactor is carried out when the rocket is in position, then the power of the reactor is reduced to a minimum level, then to bring it to full power (before launch or in flight).

The first option is the most profitable, but also the most difficult, since the rocket at launch experiences serious overloads, and it is also difficult to monitor the state of the reactor. A technical malfunction in the control system or in the communication system may well lead to the reactor overheating and collapse. It is difficult to say how technically feasible this is.

The second option is more reliable than the first, since the reactor is under control at the time of start-up and exit to operating mode. However, the launch of the reactor, probably even with the loading of the fuel cells removed before that from a special storage, will require some rather significant time, which increases the time it takes to prepare the rocket for launch.

The third option is more reliable and better than the first two, since the rocket is as ready to launch as possible. However, there are two negative points. First, a rocket with a reactor operating at minimum power will need to be cooled, which will require additional equipment for the launcher with a refrigeration unit. Secondly, nuclear fuel gradually burns out, which limits the period during which the rocket can stand on alert. By the way, the maximum achieved campaign period for Topaz is 11 months.

There are still a number of questions that are difficult to answer. However, the choice between a complex and lengthy preparation of a rocket for launch and a very limited time spent on combat duty is already visible. Whatever we choose, this greatly limits the combat value of such a missile.

So the Petrel is not good for war. If it were a missile suitable for mass production, then we could still count on some effect with a salvo of a couple of hundred missiles. 2-3 missiles are only suitable for intimidation in words and for PR. It is better for this product to choose a different destination, more appropriate to its characteristics.
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  1. +1
    17 September 2019 08: 42
    I strongly disagree! To give the author his due, he calculated and estimated everything, with the exception that the “Petrel” is not necessarily a means of a first strike, most likely, on the contrary, a disarming one. What I mean? Yes, everything is simple, based on the unlimited flight range, the removal of the same air defense systems using an EM pulse. I am silent about the technologies that foreign Musks are crawling to like Beijing.
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  3. +2
    17 September 2019 09: 13
    Why did the author decide that the Burevestnik is a subsonic missile?
  4. -2
    17 September 2019 09: 49
    Well, there are so many words of doubt! Is it just me who thinks that at first jet engines were on rockets, and when they began to lift comparable weights and “pumped up” technical parts, they appeared on airplanes? Doesn't remind you of anything?
  5. -5
    17 September 2019 10: 28
    Theme "Armament". A rocket with an unknown reactor on board the Burevestnik. No technical specifications. Announced to the media as “Yokarny Babai” to all partners. There was an incident related to the Burevestnik project, there were casualties - confirmed by officially authorized persons. Is the Burevestnik missile suitable for war? Answer: No, it is not suitable, tests have not yet been completed and this product has not been accepted into service by any country. The title of the article accurately defines the issue and the author is undoubtedly right. One thing is not clear: why develop the topic and plunge into thoughts based on speculation.
    1. +3
      17 September 2019 13: 15
      So “the author is right” or “why dive into thoughts based on speculation”? You will decide. After all, all the author’s analytics are based on speculation and empty unprofessional reasoning, but at the same time, in your opinion, he is right.
      1. 0
        18 September 2019 17: 47
        In the “weapons” section, I would like to know the performance characteristics of weapons, their history, experience in use, the opinion of experts in operation, etc., but working samples or, at worst, with confirmed test results. I think that with opinions - in “Opinions”, and for such articles the “Fortune telling” section is more suitable.
  6. +1
    17 September 2019 11: 04
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    Quote: boriz
    A chain reaction has begun

    Like a chain reaction this is an atomic explosion.
    There was no atomic explosion. There was a spread of radioactive materials caused by external exposure, an explosion.

    Is it okay that there are two types of chain reactions? Controlled and uncontrollable...
  7. -1
    17 September 2019 11: 25
    It’s good that “Burevesnik”, although somewhat damp, exists, and I think they’ll figure out how to use it better and more effectively. "All the best for American children" - film "DMB"
    1. +3
      17 September 2019 11: 40
      Author: Dmitry Verkhoturov is absolutely incompetent.
      Let's take the well-known R-36M (Satan)

      A strike from 8-10 15A18M missiles (fully equipped with 80-100 warheads with a capacity of 800 Kt each) ensured the destruction of 80% of the industrial potential of the United States and most of the population. (From Wiki about R-36M)
      If, and apparently this will be the case, the missiles are equipped with warheads of comparable power and quantity, then 8-10 Burevestnikov missiles will be enough to smash the United States into radioactive dust!

      Once again I wonder why the VO editors give a platform for completely incompetent stuffing? Why is she deliberately compromising the resource?
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 21: 08
        At the same time, sober heads in America reasonably believe that if only three “Satans” reach them, then the damage caused to the country will make the victory over Russia and any benefit from it meaningless!
      2. -1
        18 September 2019 01: 18
        Quote: Oleg1
        A strike from 8-10 15A18M missiles (fully equipped with 80-100 warheads with a capacity of 800 Kt each) ensured the destruction of 80% of the industrial potential of the United States and most of the population. (From Wiki about R-36M)

        No, that's too little.

        Quote: Oleg1
        If, and apparently this will be the case, the missiles are equipped with warheads of comparable power and quantity, then 8-10 Burevestnikov missiles will be enough to smash the United States into radioactive dust!

        No, It is Immpossible.

        Quote: Oleg1
        Once again I wonder why the VO editors give a platform for completely incompetent stuffing? Why is she deliberately compromising the resource?

        The author of the article is either incompetent in the physics of nuclear reactors or is deliberately simplifying things. Based on his previous articles, he is a pure provocateur. And his article turned out lousy.
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  10. +1
    17 September 2019 12: 21
    PS, my post concerns the author’s quote “And here a question arises that has no answer yet: how many “Petrel” will there be? The number plays an important role. Even if we assume that the “Petrel” will be able to accomplish everything that is now attributed to it, what will it be able to -to bypass or break through the enemy's missile defense systems, then it should be noted that the further effect is determined by the number of missiles. 3-5 of the best, “unparalleled in the world” missiles will not achieve victory in the war. If we have in mind a certain Russian version of the well-known concept "quick global strike", then in order to overthrow an opponent with some guarantee, you need to have about 200-300 "Petrel" in service."
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 13: 23
      The number plays an important role.
      Of course. But for now this is not a serial product and only its concept can be considered - whether or not it is worth spending time and resources on it.
      3-5 of the best, “unparalleled in the world” missiles have not achieved victory in the war.
      This missile is not for war at all, but for preventing it, or for a punitive retaliatory strike. Like everything that the Strategic Missile Forces have at their disposal. There can be no winners in a global nuclear war, there shouldn’t be!
      "prompt global strike" concept
      BSU is massive non-nuclear attack by cruise and ballistic missiles. "Burevestnik" is being created as one of the measures to overcome the US missile defense system in a global nuclear impact
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  12. +5
    17 September 2019 13: 22
    1.Next generation reactors have already been developed based on Topaz.
    2. Nowhere does it say what kind of reactor is on Burevestnik.
    3. Reactors of this size can be placed on next-generation aircraft to power weapons and avionics. It becomes possible to install railguns and lasers.
    And all this is no longer such a fantasy, it turns out.
    1. +1
      17 September 2019 16: 07
      Indeed, Rosatom rules.
  13. +3
    17 September 2019 13: 37
    This is a strategic nuclear weapon. His task is to destroy the enemy's rear. Generally.

    And it will not act alone, but together with all other components of strategic weapons.
  14. 0
    17 September 2019 14: 11
    I wonder what is more expensive: a Burevestnik or a strategic bomber or 1/20th of a nuclear submarine?
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 16: 09
      A Burevestnik costs from 120 to 160 million rubles; a bomber costs from 8 to 18 billion rubles; a nuclear submarine costs 30 billion. So consider it.
  15. +3
    17 September 2019 15: 57
    Well, the author went a little overboard. He asks the question himself, answers it incorrectly, then blames those who allegedly answered it that way.
    So what is "Burevestnik" for???
    I would answer like this: “We will hit carefully, but forcefully.”
    Regarding nuclear power plants, first of all.
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 16: 09
      According to the Pentagon
    2. +2
      17 September 2019 16: 10
      It’s unlikely to hit nuclear power plants - the most important targets are military and industrial
      1. +1
        17 September 2019 16: 17
        Nuclear power plants are just strategic goals, look first at the record number of them in the USA, in their propaganda they are blocking everything in front of you with windmills, they don’t give life to worms and birds, and who gives them electricity to megacities?
        If they want to be strong, let them refuse comfortable conditions and bury themselves in the ground, like in the command bunkers described by the author. And in the event of aggression, we first of all threaten to inflict unacceptable damage on them with such Petrels, and for bunkers we have the same monoblock Topols\Voevoda\Sarmatians.
  16. 0
    17 September 2019 16: 23
    The author also loses sight of the fact that the Petrels and Poseidons are not subject to the START-3 Treaty, which means we can build them in any absolute quantities.
    The United States at first thought that they had all the trump cards in their hands with medium-range missiles under the guise of missile defense (MK-41), but it turned out that Putin also has a lot of trump cards, if not more, medium-range missiles, including missiles. Half of the US territory from Chukotka is covered by these (from Cuba/Venezuela the other half)
  17. 0
    17 September 2019 17: 01
    The great specialist is Verkhoturov, and the rest are stupid.
  18. 0
    17 September 2019 18: 05
    And things are also really bad with the Su-35., Su-57., T-90 (there’s not even anything to say about the Armata), well, they can’t fight (they’re wooden along the way) - analysis in the style of WOW
  19. 0
    17 September 2019 18: 53
    Well, everything is very logical, but who said that the petrel would be used in this way?! It is quite possible that this is a weapon of retaliation, which is launched during a counter strike and waits until the enemy’s defense is already exhausted or defeated. Plus, there is no way to talk about detailed performance characteristics, and it is fruitless to make assumptions even with special knowledge of nuclear physics.
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  22. +3
    17 September 2019 20: 56
    The author is probably privy to all the secrets. But most likely it’s completely off topic.
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 21: 12
      Yes, he’s definitely not on the topic - because this is a weapon for preventing war, not waging one!
  23. +3
    17 September 2019 21: 02
    Quote: mister-red
    At the end of 2017 (i.e. a couple of months before Putin’s speech), such a missile was launched
    That is, at that time the missile was not accepted for service, was not ready for combat use, but was only undergoing testing.

    Tests of "Sarmat" as such have NEVER HAPPENED. There was a throw-in launch twice. What is a throw launch? Either a completely inert rocket is fired with a PAD or, as a last resort, fuel is filled into it for about half a minute of flight. The missile falls at a distance of several kilometers from the silo. So, a throw-out launch can only be called a test of a rocket only formally

    Quote: Oleg1
    Author: Dmitry Verkhoturov is absolutely incompetent.
    Let's take the well-known R-36M (Satan)

    A strike from 8-10 15A18M missiles (fully equipped with 80-100 warheads with a capacity of 800 Kt each) ensured the destruction of 80% of the industrial potential of the United States and most of the population. (From Wiki about R-36M)

    That's it. From Wiki about the R-36M. A very "accurate" resource. For some reason, others believe that in order to cause damage to the United States, so that it ceases to be a country, more than 400 warheads will be required, since it will be necessary to hit at least more than one hundred and fifty targets. And Wiki claims that 8-10 “Voevod” will be enough. Then why not 1-2

    Quote: Oleg1
    If, and apparently this will be the case, the missiles are equipped with warheads of comparable power and quantity, then 8-10 Burevestnikov missiles will be enough to smash the United States into radioactive dust!

    Does the Burevestnik have charges of comparable power and quantity? Are you serious? The diameter of the midsection of the R-36M2 missile is 3 meters. The Burevestnik cruise missile has a 0 of about 700 mm. On the Voyevoda, the combat stage is two-story, since it is impossible to place a dozen BBs of such power on one platform due to its size. Do you plan to place a dozen of them and a capacity of 800 kt on the Burevestnik? Well, it looks like you have some nice weed....

    Quote: Oleg1
    Once again I wonder why the VO editors give a platform for completely incompetent stuffing? Why is she deliberately compromising the resource?

    Do you consider your calculations to be a competent opinion? About 10 warheads of 800 kilotons each on the Burevestnik???

    Quote: Oleg1
    PS, my post concerns the author’s quote “And here a question arises that has no answer yet: how many “Burevestnikov” will there be? The number plays an important role.

    The cost of the product also plays a very important role. If a “Caliber” with a conventional warhead costs approximately 50 million rubles, then a missile with a nuclear charge and a nuclear power plant will cost a lot if 5 times more, and perhaps an order of magnitude, taking into account all the novelty and the lack of a mass production. And this is where the question arises. How many of these "Petrels" will there be?

    Quote: Oleg1
    Even if we assume that the Burevestnik will be able to accomplish everything that is now attributed to it, that it will be able to somehow bypass or break through enemy missile defense systems, then it should be noted that the further effect is determined by the number of missiles. 3-5 of the best, “unparalleled in the world” missiles have not achieved victory in the war.

    It is extremely unlikely that he will even perform at least one of the functions assigned to him. Yes, he will be able to bypass stationary missile defense systems, which do not threaten him in any way. But a subsonic missile is unlikely to be able to break through the air defense system. Moreover, it is unlikely that its barrage will be carried out for some time. If it is in an area close to the territory of the same United States, they will shoot it down as an intruder (we would do the same if such a product went over our islands, ships, etc.
    Moreover, bypass the air defense zones. which are mobile, the same ships he will not be able to initially. You shouldn’t give him non-existent opportunities. And then they were already talking about AI as something already real, capable of making its own decisions and so on. What will be in the rocket's PZ is what it will do. There will be a detour around the stationary air defense zone in the PZ - a detour. It won’t - there will be a ship along the way - it will pass over it, or rather, it will try, because it will be shot down

    Quote: Oleg1
    If we keep in mind a certain Russian version of the well-known concept of a “quick global strike,” then in order to overthrow an opponent with some guarantee, you need to have about 200-300 Burevestnikov in service.”

    So far no one has mentioned such a concept on our part.

    Quote: 4ybys
    I wonder what is more expensive: a Burevestnik or a strategic bomber or 1/20th of a nuclear submarine?

    The answer is without question. How can you compare the price of something that doesn't exist with the price of something that already exists?

    Quote: Vadim237
    Burevestnik costs from 120 to 160 million rubles

    Has GDP already shown you the price calculation? I repeat. How can you name the price of something that does not yet exist and compare it with the price of the same strategic bombers? And why suddenly 120-150 million rubles, and not 500 million rubles or 2 billion rubles apiece?
    I can also say that a space defense complex based on a super-powerful particle accelerator (and maybe a blaster), which will be built on the Moon in 2375, will cost approximately 70 billion single credits, and translated into rubles - about 2,1 trillion gold rubles
    The cost of this product, like your cost of the Petrel, is information of the same order. Namely, sucked from the finger

    Quote: neuron
    Why did the author decide that the Burevestnik is a subsonic missile?

    What, supersonic? And by what signs did you determine that it is not subsonic?

    Quote: Vadim237
    It’s unlikely to hit nuclear power plants - the most important targets are military and industrial

    A nuclear power plant is the same production goal. There may not be enough resources to hit all production, but it’s easy to deprive them of energy.

    Quote: Strezhevoy
    The author also loses sight of the fact that the Petrels and Poseidons are not subject to the START-3 Treaty, which means we can build them in any absolute quantities.

    How can something that does not exist in reality fall under the scope of the treaty? According to the procedure, one or another weapon system falls under the restrictions of the treaty only after being adopted and shown to “partners.” After this, it is assigned a contract index. Do you really think our opponents are such losers that they will calmly watch how we test and build these systems and will not take any action in accordance with the articles of the treaty to classify these systems as strategic. And they are essentially strategic, since we announced them as having no range restrictions. There will be some real progress in the creation of the Poseidon and the Petrel, and if the START-3 (or START-4) treaty exists, through the mechanism of the control commission, these weapon systems will be included in the list of strategic weapons with a 1000% guarantee

    Quote: Strezhevoy
    The United States at first thought that they had all the trump cards in their hands with medium-range missiles under the guise of missile defense (MK-41), but it turned out that Putin also has a lot of trump cards, if not more, medium-range missiles, including missiles.

    Yeah. And they already have medium-range ballistic missiles? Could you please tell me the names?

    Quote: Strezhevoy
    Half of the US territory from Chukotka is covered by these (from Cuba/Venezuela the other half)

    Another strategist has been found. The Venezuelans and Cubans were asked if they wanted our missiles on their territory? And from Chukotka you yourself will probably operate rockets. There is no need to repeat the nonsense about basing current and future missiles in Chukotka. Back in the early 80s, it was proven that this was unprofitable, that the combat readiness of such complexes would be zero - but no. Every new writer considers it his duty to remember Chukotka. Thank you at least for the fact that the Yellowstone volcano and the hypertsunami were not remembered...

    Quote: Yuri Siritsky
    The great specialist is Verkhoturov, and the rest are stupid.

    Maybe not an expert, but he voiced the questions that open-minded people have
  24. -1
    17 September 2019 21: 55
    Yes, the author is partly right, in general, why install a nuclear engine, because of it such a rocket becomes tens of times more expensive
  25. -2
    17 September 2019 22: 07
    and why, when discussing all the technical characteristics of the Burevestnik in such detail, everyone is silent about whether the Russian Federation will be able to build them in the required quantity, it will be difficult to raise such a thing
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  27. +1
    18 September 2019 03: 16
    Quote: Dmitry Verkhoturov
    There is one more question that directly relates to the combat readiness of such a missile: when to launch the reactor?

    A fourth option is possible. If the Burevestnik missile launcher, in addition to a solid fuel accelerator, is equipped with a stage with a short-life turbojet engine of the R95-300 type, one or two, and a fuel supply for 2 hours of flight.
    The turbojet engine is turned on on the ground. The launch vehicle is launched using a solid fuel accelerator. After reaching the echelon, the physical start-up of the reactor takes place, which will take from 40 to 90 minutes. When the reactor gains power, the stage with the turbojet engine and fuel tank is fired.
    This scheme will allow you not to wait at the start until the reactor starts up, but immediately after the command to go into the sky and take the missile launcher away from the counterattack. Avoid problems with reactor cooling. Simplify the launch position as much as possible, up to placing the Burevestnik missile launcher in a 40-foot standard container.
  28. +1
    18 September 2019 12: 34
    I spent two days digesting both the article and the comments, especially the last ones. And now I want to share my opinion about the fact that there is a Petrel.
    If you go back a little, remember Putin’s words that we don’t need a world without Russia, then you can associate these words with Burevestnik himself. It is in the phrase, I don’t remember verbatim, that we don’t need a world without Russia and the message of Western civilization to come to its senses is hidden and not to harbor hopes of victory in a military conflict with Russia.
    What is a Burevestnik missile launcher? That’s right, a cruise missile with an unlimited flight range, but if you slightly change the approach to the term “unlimited range” and paraphrase it into a cruise missile with an unlimited (within reasonable limits) flight time, then the principle of the combat use of this type of weapon becomes clear to me. Based on based on the same data for Topaz, the operating time of the nuclear power plant is on the order of about a year, or maybe more, but it doesn’t really matter how many days, the order here is determined by at least months. Many on the forum are predicting the imminent destruction of the subsonic Burevestnik by both aviation and air defense ship groups and air defense systems at command posts, etc. But will a sufficiently compact missile system be able to carry on board a powerful nuclear warhead to destroy control centers, command posts, and air force groups in concentration areas? Maybe to some extent. The question is, should this be done using weapons that are quite expensive and troublesome to maintain?
    The very principle of using the Burevestnik is embedded in its performance characteristics and ideology. The Burevestnik is not a weapon of the first or second nuclear strike, it is a weapon after the last strike, a kind of surprise in a temporary sense. A blow from the past.
    While there is an exchange of ICBMs, heavy-duty nuclear warheads, the Burevestnik will only wake up and appear over the territory of the enemy and his allies, only when the last craters from nuclear warheads have already cooled down. Then when there will be no combat-ready aviation, no air defense systems, nothing except survivors, irradiated , burnt soldiers with a rifle in their hands. There will be nothing to detect the Burevestnik, loitering at low altitudes, there will be nothing to give out the control center, and in fact, probably no one. Even those who were reliably hidden in deep underground shelters and survived a nuclear weapons attack are doomed. And that’s why ,Petrel, plowing for months (years?) the air spaces over enemy territory, the exhaust from its nuclear power plant pollutes the territory, making it unsuitable for life. Experts know for sure how many such missile launchers are needed, but I think about 50 ..... 100, they will make their monstrous work slowly, as they say, with feeling and order.
    This concept of using essentially dirty weapons makes global conflicts simply meaningless.
    I am neither an ardent fan of Putin nor Navalny. I just thought and shared only my opinion with the forum members.
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  30. +2
    18 September 2019 12: 46
    Our job is to warn. But if they shoot down, they won’t shoot down, if they hit, they won’t hit, if they hit, they won’t hit, if they hit, they won’t hit... - all this is talk in favor of the poor. I assume one thing - it will fly. And it won’t seem like enough. Even from three. And coupled with the other (and not small) means of destroying foreign territory, not only will it not seem like enough - you will definitely dream of complete and utter p*ss. So... everything that is in our piggy bank works for the security of our Fatherland - Russia. That's the whole story.
  31. 0
    18 September 2019 14: 37
    The title is true, the Petrel is suitable after the war to finish off what is left.
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  33. +2
    19 September 2019 11: 17
    Topaz is an isotope power source, if we assume that it is the reactor on the petrel - this is a completely different story. The reactor will degrade at approximately the same rate as the nuclear charge itself.
    Well, the author seems to consider everyone an idiot. I drew a picture of the launch of petrels, without the entire nuclear triad, including new components.
    And attempts to shoot down a powerful nuclear missile in close proximity to the target were a completely different matter.
    A variety of weapons is needed to force the United States to cover possible flight directions in addition to the launch zones of our ICBMs. also completely unlikely directions on their territory, forcing them to disperse funds, and making continuation of work on missile defense pointless.
  34. +1
    19 September 2019 12: 55
    Quote: Serg4545
    The distance between the missile defense installation and the launch sites of our ICBMs is from 1000 to 5000 km. Insurmountable distance for anti-missiles.

    ICBMs/SLBMs can be shot down in the active part of the trajectory (the first 1500 km) before the warheads separate from the third stage of the missile. A minority of Russian ICBMs and all Russian SLBMs fall within this range.

    But it is possible to shoot down a missile at OUT only with external radar guidance of anti-missiles, therefore, in the event of a Russian nuclear missile strike, Iskanders (OUT ~ 100 km) with megaton-class thermonuclear warheads are launched first, the high-altitude explosion of which with the help of EMP for 5-15 minutes will disable all ground, sea and air-based radars, and only then will the Sarmatians, Yars and Bulava launch.

    In the case of the anti-radar use of Russian A-235 interceptor missiles of the Nudol complex with an available acceleration of 300 units, the time interval between their launch and the launch of an ICBM/SLBM will be less than 1 minute.
  35. -1
    19 September 2019 15: 43
    the article resembles whining, we don’t need to develop anything, it’s expensive or the color is wrong)))"!
    Firstly, who said that they are not able to produce in large quantities?
    Secondly, regarding the bases, in addition to this missile, there are many others, so it is not clear why the author of the article is fixated on this missile, its number and the number of bases!
    Regarding the protection of bases of potential targets and their air defense, where do you get the information about what they can intercept and detect and what they can’t? There is no ideal air defense system and there is no attack with just one missile!
    And the development of a mini reactor itself is a huge achievement in many areas! It will be quite possible to use these installations on aviation and other technical products!
    And the author apparently forgot or did not know that before the development of any weapon, its performance characteristics, the feasibility of mass production, etc. are determined. and only then comes the development and testing process!
  36. 0
    20 September 2019 00: 34
    The author should remember the famous aphorism: “Brevity is the sister of talent.”
    There is no need to waste a lot of words, I would simply say: “Burevestnik is a bad one, there will be few of it, it is technically imperfect, but the Americans and their allies are smart, almost like me!” laughing laughing laughing
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  38. -1
    22 September 2019 08: 19
    So what now? Give up and do nothing?
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  40. -1
    22 September 2019 16: 44
    Complete nonsense. The author knows nothing at all and does not understand the issue at all. An ordinary ignoramus from the category _ “Everything is bad with us, but the West is not our enemy and will help us die faster.” You shouldn’t pay attention to such “experts”, and block and remove their “inventions” so that they don’t get in the way.
    1. 0
      23 September 2019 11: 59
      "Petrel" is not suitable for war
      Ugh...not like that, Dmitry Verkhoturov is not suitable as an expert...
      Quote: Old26
      That's it. From Wiki about the R-36M. A very "accurate" resource. For some reason, others believe that in order to cause damage to the United States, so that it ceases to be a country, more than 400 warheads will be required, since it will be necessary to hit at least more than one hundred and fifty targets. And Wiki claims that 8-10 “Voevod” will be enough. Then why not 1-2

      Oh, you know the methodology for determining the most likely targets for weapons of mass destruction, you are probably no less than a senior General Staff officer, otherwise, you are just an armchair expert... and yes... yes, besides the Burevestnik we also have missiles, and the Burevestnik will only polish off the remnants of the staff, so he and should not be designed to defeat 100% of American targets....
      Quote: Old26
      Does the Burevestnik have charges of comparable power and quantity? Are you serious? The diameter of the midsection of the R-36M2 missile is 3 meters. The Burevestnik cruise missile has a 0 of about 700 mm. On the Voyevoda, the combat stage is two-story, since it is impossible to place a dozen BBs of such power on one platform due to its size. Do you plan to place a dozen of them and a capacity of 800 kt on the Burevestnik? Well, it looks like you have some nice weed....

      Do you know the secret performance characteristics of the Petrel? ABOUT! General of the Army Valery Vasilyevich Gerasimov, sorry, I didn’t recognize….
      Quote: Old26
      The cost of the product also plays a very important role. If a “Caliber” with a conventional warhead costs approximately 50 million rubles, then a missile with a nuclear charge and a nuclear power plant will cost a lot if 5 times more, and perhaps an order of magnitude, taking into account all the novelty and the lack of a mass production. And this is where the question arises. How many of these "Petrels" will there be?

      You won’t believe it, but each new weapon model turns out to be more expensive and more complex than the previous one. Do you think we should switch to spears because they are cheap? Or is it good for the petrel, because it is not intercepted by the air defense of a potential enemy?
      PS Well, and so on, but in general, the cry of the soul of a beautiful soul that everything is so bad with us, the cry of a wild one, sounds like a balm for wounds...
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        23 September 2019 12: 26
        And yes, about efficiency, in this case efficiency is the percentage of warheads delivered to the adversary in relation to those shot down. The Burevestnik will bypass air defense areas, it is logical to assume that the percentage there will be radically higher. Without knowing the cost of the Burevestnik compared to a conventional missile and the percentage of warheads delivered to the target, how can an opponent talk about the cost of the product? Or, well, the damned Russians can’t have something good! Uuuu.... nice, damn it...
  41. 0
    23 September 2019 14: 00
    How many fools developed and put these weapons into service? Probably tens of thousands, and maybe hundreds of thousands, but then one very smart person appeared and discovered the truth, everyone, immediately the "Petrel" was scrapped, thank you, they enlightened. These are the smart guys who get into all areas of life and “enlighten” everything, everything is clear to them and they know everything, starting from “Petrel” and ending with what Stalin had to do to defeat Hitler with his left hand back in 41.
  42. 0
    24 September 2019 13: 07
    This article is intended to bring cheers to American patriots. In your opinion, this means that a subsonic missile with a small radius is effective, but one with a large radius is not. The air defense system in the USA is built in only one direction and the Americans know about it, and this missile comes from where it is not expected.
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  44. 0
    24 September 2019 18: 42
    The article does not contain anything specific about the design, characteristics of the rocket or its engine. And no one is interested in reading assumptions and fantasies on this topic.
  45. 0
    27 September 2019 17: 40
    All men, let's go. There will be no war. The Americans have air defense that can knock down everything. Russia has air defense that can knock down everything. I'm not even talking about the Israeli wunderwaffle, which shoots down Martian starships in batches at once! All these probabilities of defeat, maximum fire capabilities, the expected number of targets, the probable number of destroyed targets, and other machinations of mathematicians only fool the brains of all of us. It’s only the stupid Houthis who don’t know that it’s impossible to break through the air defense system and burn everything. But what can we take from these Bedouins?
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      1 October 2019 03: 07
      There is only one hope - for half-asleep operators - well, they overslept Rust and will sleep through the wunderwaffle
  46. 0
    28 September 2019 04: 55
    Now the war will go according to this scenario - nuclear charges explode off the coast of England and the United States and the war ends - there will be no one to fight with. All!
  47. 0
    28 September 2019 16: 58
    The main thing is that Putin believes these cunning developers who fooled him! And the fact that the missile is slow-moving, flies 16 hours to the enemy, that it is an easy target to destroy, it doesn’t matter! And it’s unclear. Why didn’t the engines on the plane work first???? Why immediately on a rocket? This is stupidity! It's definitely a scam.
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    4 October 2019 08: 11
    Why develop something in order to release a few pieces???? If it's not Poseidon with a bunch of megatons? And he himself condemns stupidity....
    And who said that the Petrel will be used for “hard” purposes? How can he even do this (and why already) if he has to fly to them for almost a day?

    In general, he himself came up with nonsense, he himself brilliantly criticized it...
  50. 0
    4 October 2019 10: 15
    Dear Dmitry, please tell us how many and what kind of air defense system shot down missiles in military conflicts. During tests, shoot down a non-maneuvering satellite. So it flew along a pre-known trajectory. How many American air defense systems shot down missiles in Saudi Arabia, Iraq. In Iraq, the antediluvian Scud missile landed to the American barracks. Okay, do you know for sure the speed of the Petrel? A nuclear strike, you can destroy the air defense system. And then fly bomb their command centers. No one will interfere. In short, such articles say in Russia everything is bad, “Chief, everything is lost.” We wrap ourselves in a shroud and quietly sleep in the cemetery. Why hit the command headquarters and bases? It’s enough to fuck up the Ielustunsky volcano, or it’s also guarded by air defense. When there’s a nuclear strike, no one will care anymore, but America won’t know that.
  51. 0
    11 November 2019 11: 54
    The concept of using missile defense is generally a thing in itself, but after the presentation of the Burevestnik, at least I had a strong conviction that this is definitely not a first-strike weapon and it is aimed at destroying not strategic objects such as command posts, but infrastructure ones, such as hydroelectric power stations. Thermal power plants/factories/ammunition depots/shipyards/ports, from unexpected directions. So in this concept, the “Burevestnik” is quite a wonderful instrument. For the rest there is a triad.
  52. 0
    4 May 2024 00: 22
    Из того, что говорилось в СМИ о "Буревестнике", могу заключить, что это ракеты только в ядерном оснащении, которые запускаются в угрожаемый период (возможно, с подводных ракетоносцев) и начинают барражировать на малой высоте вблизи берегов потенциального противника. Откуда у автора странные фантазии об обычных БЧ для таких дорогих ракет и трёх штуках?
    При этом понятно, что "неограниченность" дальности является условной и в любом случае ограничена ресурсом матчасти (скорее всего, "горячей" части турбореактивного двигателя).