Yes, after all, the Su-24

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Yes, after all, the Su-24

Well, everything turned out as we predicted in the most recent past. Here: Storm Shadow: what's next, what to prepare for?

It was in this article that we tried to consider as objectively as possible all the options for using the Storm Shadow rocket and, on the whole, guessed right.

Quote:
Sioux 24M
And here is quite. Beam holders BD4-U can quite easily hang THREE units of weapons weighing 1500 kg. Yes, in the original it is the FAB-1500, but this is no longer so important, because structurally the aircraft can lift such ammunition.



Plus, the Su-24 is still a two-seat bomber, so everything is easier in terms of preliminary operations.


Well, here is the official confirmation from the Ukrainian side. The photo, published by Ukrainian resources, autographed supposedly from the British Minister of Defense to Ukrainian, shows exactly the Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force, armed with the Storm Shadow cruise missile supplied by the UK.


Yes, this is an important piece of evidence. Indeed, the Su-24 was the aircraft that seemed to us the most suitable for the use of this type of weapon, and Storm Shadow under the pylon on the fixed part of the wing shows this perfectly.

However, if you are not too lazy and find this photo in a higher resolution, for example, from the Ukraine Weapons Tracker on Twitter (I don’t know where they got hold of it), then some experts concluded from it that the photo is not a Su-24M, not a front-line bomber, but a more exotic version of the Su-24MR, a tactical reconnaissance aircraft.


The main difference between the Su-24MR and the conventional Su-24 was the absence of offensive weapons, and it wasn’t very good with defensive weapons: all that the Su-24Mr had to protect against the enemy was two R-60 missiles. Today, of course, the R-60 is completely outdated, something more modern is suspended instead, but the essence of this does not change. Two missiles.

The rest of the Su-24MR is an electronic filling for collecting and processing information inside the fuselage, plus containers with the same on the external sling.

Accordingly, there is where to initially place the Storm Shadow guidance and control equipment. Here you can fantasize for a very long time about what can be thrown out of the electronic filling, but you can easily say goodbye to cameras, for example.

The main thing is that the Su-24MR from the very beginning has the potential to replace equipment with a British missile control system. Of course, a separate interesting question is who and where carried out the re-equipment, but I am sure that the Ukrainians could manage on their own quite easily and naturally. They still have enough specialists.

Yes, less than a dozen Su-24MRs (officially 9 units) were in service with the Ukrainian Air Force before the start of the NMD, but you don’t need a lot. It is enough to re-equip one or two aircraft and what the Ukrainians do, that is, to deliver disturbing strikes, is possible even without dozens of missile carriers.

And the fact that Storm Shadow arrive in pairs indirectly proves this.

A single aircraft quietly crept up to the required distance, quickly (and the Su-24 can do this, however, very loudly) gains the required altitude, launch, turn and go home. Something extremely complex? No.

Now the 24s need more careful monitoring by our surveillance equipment, since yes, not every Su-24 can carry Storm Shadow, but only Su-24s fly with Storm Shadow.


MiG-29 and Su-27 are still not suitable for moving such large missiles. Being all the same fighters (especially the Su-27), they were not supposed to lift such heavy missiles according to the project. 1300 kg is no joke, the “thickest” missile from the Su-27 arsenal, the R-27, weighed a maximum of 350 kg.

Our overseas colleague Thomas Newdick from NI noted that the Su-24MR was never equipped with sighting equipment for air-to-ground strike weapons such as the Orion radar or the Kaira laser-television system, but this doesn’t say anything for sure. about which, besides the fact that such equipment was provided to Kiev in advance and moreover, most likely, together with specialists who helped to make not only installation, but also fine-tuning and calibration.

Moreover, no one is talking about dozens of aircraft converted in this way. If you look at the number of hits with Storm Shadows, then you can definitely say that the maximum that the Armed Forces have at their disposal is a couple of such carriers, no more.

But more is not needed.

There is one more argument for the conversion of the Su-24MR. This is a small number of Su-24Ms left in Kyiv. Yes, according to reports by Mr. Konashenkov, each of these aircraft was shot down at least twice, but nevertheless, something is left there, if you look at the reports of Konashenkov's colleagues on the other side.

In general, it is difficult with the Su-24M: if you collect data from open sources, then from 17 to 24 aircraft of this model were shot down during the entire time of the SVO. And having raised the data on the number of these aircraft BEFORE the start of the NMD, we will understand that there were, as it were, considerably fewer of them, from 12 to 14. It is clear that the Allies could have thrown something, it is clear that they could have attributed something. But the bottom line is that the Su-24M is an aircraft in demand, since it is the only attack aircraft at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The MiG-29 can, of course, take FABs, but they are of little use.


Therefore, of course, it made sense to leave the Su-24M for its work precisely as an attack aircraft, and to convert anyone, even a reconnaissance aircraft, even an electronic warfare aircraft, into a missile carrier. There would be conditions, as they say.

As for what work was done to integrate the Storm Shadow into the Su-24MR, it remains unclear. It is beautiful in terms of secrecy, it is not at all clear who, where and when did it. But he did, so you can only accept this fact.

In theory, the process shouldn't be too complicated, since the Storm Shadow missile is pre-programmed with target coordinates before flight, meaning there's no need for an interface to allow the aircraft to feed in new guidance data before launch. This also means that the missile can be fired by the Su-24MR, since the strike radar and laser-television system will not be required. It is enough just to let the rocket "see" the target, and that's it. Then modern technology will handle itself.

There is almost no doubt that Ukrainian engineers are capable of this. Here, in general, there is nowhere to go: either we set / adapt, or we dry crackers. But, given that they, engineers, really have something to boast about, we will take it on faith.

Indeed, the anti-radiation missile AGM-88 (HARM) has been integrated on the MiG-29 and Su-27 and is used with varying degrees of success, but it is being used. And the wiser JDAM-ER bombs were also somehow adapted to the MiG-29, but the Politico newspaper, known for its spies, “surrendered” the Pentagon specialists who helped the Ukrainians.


But in fact, two cases of adaptation of a Western high-precision weapons there are already Soviet developments for existing aircraft. More precisely, three, Su-24 and Storm Shadow - the third.

On Storm Shadow, in the light of the planned counter- and other offensives, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is making big bets. The JDAM-ER is a good thing, but its range of up to 70 km is frankly too small and is more of a tactical value than a strategic one.

But Storm Shadow is a different alignment. The missile makes it possible to keep in suspense almost the entire Crimea, and even the overland continental road to the peninsula. It is clear that launching Storm Shadow on such objects is a very difficult task, but who prevents you from working out all versions?

Moreover, the Ukrainian military naturally has a desire to hit targets on Russian territory. And it is quite large. Yes, the same Storm Shadow was provided to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by British partners "on parole" that the missiles would not be used on the territory of Russia, but even here there are nuances.

Representatives of the UK said that Storm Shadow were delivered on the condition that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would use them exclusively on their territory, but Crimea, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Luhansk regions are still Ukraine for Kiev. So strikes against these territories will be quite justified for the Ukrainian side from a political point of view.

The range of Storm Shadow is just on the edge of the distance between Ukrainian-controlled territory and Sevastopol in Crimea. But launching from an optimal altitude would require flying straight into the arms of Russian air defenses, which can control Ukrainian airspace well beyond the line of contact.

The strategically and politically important bridge across the Kerch Strait is far beyond the reach of Storm Shadow launched from the front line, but firstly, a counteroffensive can change everything, and secondly, there may be a pilot who dares to break through the air defenses and strike at the bridge.

Still, there are targets for Storm Shadow that are much closer than the Crimean Bridge. And for the very distant ones, there are even more long-range weapons. Such as the coveted German Taurus KEPD 350 air-launched missiles. Already in the German environment there is talk that there is a possibility of delivering these missiles to Ukraine, and this weapon can greatly upset the balance of the parties. But there will be a separate discussion about Taurus next time.
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  1. +8
    29 May 2023 04: 33
    But there will be a separate conversation about Taurus
    Tightening the SVO will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNF .... What will these be "red lines"?
    1. +9
      29 May 2023 05: 05
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Tightening the SVO will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNF .... What will these be "red lines"?

      All lines with tactical nuclear weapons, already behind the lines, this is TMV.
      1. +9
        29 May 2023 05: 24
        Quote: carpenter
        All lines with tactical nuclear weapons, already behind the lines, this is TMV.

        No, it's just that the lines have gone infrared.
    2. +16
      29 May 2023 05: 37
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNW ...

      Why is it for Democrats? Too difficult. Isn't everything "going according to plan" without it...

      Already in the German environment, there is talk that there is a possibility of delivering these missiles to Ukraine, and this weapon can greatly upset the balance of the parties.

      It is not the presence of weapons that changes the balance of power, but the firm readiness to use them.
    3. -27
      29 May 2023 06: 49
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Tightening the CBO
      what does the tightening of the SVO mean? Here "we accelerated in Bakhmut. In five months, more soldiers were lost than in the Afghan and Chechen wars. Every fifth attack aircraft of the PMC Wagner died. (
      If you don't like the course of the CBO - volunteer and fix it.
      Storm Shadow is nothing more than a toy. Are you afraid that she will fly into your yard? Think of the tens of thousands of guys who died for something you could eat sweetly and....
      1. +13
        29 May 2023 08: 20
        Quote: ism_ek
        Think of the tens of thousands of guys who died

        I thought it! The point is, from my thought ... But who needs to think that there would be no such losses, they cannot or do not want to think.
        PS And you, Ilyusha, don't poke me - isho is young!
        1. -2
          30 May 2023 11: 34
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          The point is, from my thought ...

          So it's better to be silent. You remind me of Gorbachev, who, after watching the movie "Star Wars", decided that the USSR was not capable of anything and ran to surrender to the Americans.

          Here is an illustration from the Soviet children's magazine (Young Technician), from the time of Gorbachev. With such pictures, these traitors, just like you, now intimidated the Soviet people.
      2. +19
        29 May 2023 08: 56
        Here "accelerated in Bakhmut.

        In your opinion - a frontal assault on a fortified city, and even without air supremacy, is this acceleration? what
      3. +6
        29 May 2023 23: 36
        what does the tightening of the SVO mean?

        This is the lack of systematic destruction of the railway network of Ukraine, this is the unwillingness to destroy bridges on the Dnieper, this is the incomplete destruction of oil refineries in Ukraine (Kremenchug works just like that), these are payments to Ukraine for transit money, these are deliveries of oil and gas to Ukraine. Well, and the constant desire, expressed by the Russian Foreign Ministry at the highest level (UN level), to establish the supply of ammonia to Ukraine ... there is nowhere else to go.
      4. -1
        30 May 2023 01: 13
        Quote: ism_ek
        Here "we accelerated in Bakhmut. In five months, we lost more soldiers than in the Afghan and Chechen wars.

        No one accelerated in Bakhmut.
        In Bakhmut, on the contrary, they were dragging out.
        They dragged out the deadlines, dragged as large as possible forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into this city and ground them into minced meat. And waiting for new ones. And so all this time.
        What for ?
        Mobilization was carried out in Russia last September. The mobilized had not only to be equipped and armed, but also to give them commanders of all levels, to form subunits, units, formations, to conduct their combat training and combat coordination. All this required sufficient time. And this time was won for the RF Armed Forces by Wagner in Bakhmut. And won. Destroying about 50 thousand and incapacitating at least 150 thousand Ukrainian military personnel. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine had to send there not only the defense and green mobs, but also elite units and subunits, special forces of the SBU, the National Guard, special forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate. They were all buried there.
        And when the mobilization plans were fulfilled, the reserves were prepared, the weapons were received and mastered, the combat coordination of all levels was carried out ... Bakhmut again became an Artyomovsk-Russian city within the administrative borders of the DPR. And to cover the borders with the Kharkov, Chernihiv, Sumy and Kyiv regions of the former Ukraine, "Siberian divisions" are being advanced from Siberia and the Far East. From there, where all these activities were carried out.
        You don't think that all the mobilized forces are already on the fronts of the Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson directions?
        Or do you think?
        If you're still thinking, then you're wrong.
        Quote: ism_ek
        lost more soldiers than in the Afghan and Chechen wars. Every fifth attack aircraft of the PMC Wagner died.

        War in general is a bloody thing, and for a normal person it is unnatural. But we live in such a world. And you should not compare the Afghan and Chechen wars with what we have now - we are fighting with a regular army created according to NATO standards, which outnumbers us, occupies vast territories, has aviation and a fairly rich and effective air defense, and is supported by the entire NATO bloc, having supplies from 50 countries of the world of everything necessary for the war. Do you think such a war can be waged with "little blood"?
        But, meanwhile, their Western curators confirm that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 7-10 times higher than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. If this reassures you somewhat, you can consider such a ratio in losses "little blood" for the RF Armed Forces.
        Quote: ism_ek
        Storm Shadow is nothing more than a toy.

        This is not a toy, but a very serious CD. But our aviation and air defense are already coping with them.
        And this is an AVIATION cruise missile. To launch it, you need a carrier aircraft. And not just any. And there are not many of them (carriers). And two of them have already been shot down (Su-24MR with adapted pylons and a set of on-board equipment for launching the Storm-Shadow missile launcher).
        Quote: ism_ek
        What would you eat sweetly and ....

        Do you eat sweets, Ilya?
        And why not at the fronts, with such and such rhetoric?
    4. +4
      29 May 2023 08: 46
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Tightening the SVO will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNF ...

      But why?
      1. -6
        29 May 2023 09: 39
        Quote: Negro
        But why?

        And you ask those who supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine missiles, self-propelled guns, tanks, planes!
        1. +5
          29 May 2023 09: 52
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          And you ask those who supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine missiles, self-propelled guns, tanks, planes!

          Well, it’s normal without the SNF. Moreover, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have raised the Storm in the Desert to the conditional level by 10 percent, 20 at most.

          It is only patriotic commentators who believe that the destruction of the nuclear non-proliferation regime can be cost-free. So far, even the great geopoliticians are smart enough not to do this - and the geopoliticians' situation is incomparable with the American one.
    5. -1
      29 May 2023 17: 14
      What will be the "red lines"?
      Everything depends on Lobachevsky! laughing
    6. SSR
      +1
      30 May 2023 00: 01
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      then the SNAO .... What kind of "red lines" will these be?

      What nafig Syao?
      Comrades, it’s good to watch, but before the SNF and TNW, you first need to survive just a nuclear power plant.
    7. +1
      7 June 2023 21: 28
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But there will be a separate conversation about Taurus
      Tightening the SVO will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNF .... What will these be "red lines"?

      It's clear where you're pulling this bullshit from. Free-falling nuclear weapons and tactical missile launchers with nuclear warheads, artillery shells with nuclear warheads - this is a complete demolition of the system of international treaties.
  2. +16
    29 May 2023 05: 16
    for the entire time of the SVO, from 17 to 24 aircraft of this model were shot down. And having raised the data on the number of these aircraft BEFORE the start of the NMD, we will understand that there were, as it were, considerably fewer of them, from 12 to 14. It is clear that the allies could have thrown something,

    More than 10 Su-24Ms could be recovered from storage. The "allies" did not have such aircraft and could not have. The author sometimes does not really understand what he undertook to write about. No.
    1. 0
      1 June 2023 10: 45
      in the days of the USSR, the Su-24 was somehow sold to the Arabs, but there was no police department
  3. +34
    29 May 2023 05: 19
    It only becomes clear that Russia's victory in the NMD is doomed to failure by various "cunning" ideas, multi-move in circles and rakes and snot around the necessary negotiations and diplomatic paths.
    Russia is not able to deliver massive strikes ... It is not in the right to bring down the crushing power of the existing weapons ... "High efficiency" and excessive material interest of managers prevent it from establishing mass production of the necessary weapons ...
    We are forced to watch. how the authorities are trampling on the edge of the abyss, not wanting to admit the failure of their economic course and the complete failure of foreign policy. Why failure? Yes, because today Russia has only third-party observers as allies, I don’t even know how to adapt the CSTO to this situation ...
    You Roman. write and do not think that you do not have grateful readers ... It is very pleasant to know that in some issues you have like-minded people with the correct grammar.
    good
    1. +38
      29 May 2023 06: 28
      Russia's victory in NWO is doomed to failure
      Where in the words denazification and demilitarization, did you see the word "Victory"? Remember, people died, and someone smiling, said that he did not start. Then he said everything was going according to plan. We don't know his plan. Maybe what's going on is his plan?
      1. +10
        29 May 2023 08: 22
        Quote: Gardamir
        what is going on and is his plan?

        If this is such a plan, then ..... There are no words, but mats are not moderated!
        1. +12
          29 May 2023 09: 39
          Well, look. Gorbachev came, young, he speaks without a piece of paper. But he had a plan. And he fulfilled it.
          Then Yeltsin came, it seemed he was rooting for Russia. He carried out his plan ahead of time.
          Everyone is good at speaking. The plan can be understood by looking at what they are doing. The current one does not depart from the plan by a millimeter, although he says something else.
        2. SSR
          0
          30 May 2023 00: 05
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          If this is such a plan, then ..... There are no words, but mats are not moderated!

          What is your plan?
          Of all the “plans” that are not yours, thanks to the “those” plans that they don’t catch mobs on the streets, there are you in the shops, including you, you didn’t smell the hardships of wartime.
          PS.
          Unless, of course, your passage to Europe was not covered.
          1. -1
            30 May 2023 01: 13
            Quote from S.S.R.
            passage was not covered.

            Do you write because of Upper Lars?
  4. +3
    29 May 2023 06: 00
    the maximum that the Armed Forces have at their disposal is a pair of such carriers, no more.
    Even if only a couple, then this pair will cause a lot of trouble while flying. Therefore, the identification and destruction of warehouses with these missiles can partially, for some time, solve the problem. The British, of course, will try to replenish the arsenal, and others will follow them with their missiles. There the Germans are thinking about the Ukrainian request for the supply of missiles with a range of 500 km. How long will this "thinking" last?
    1. KCA
      +10
      29 May 2023 06: 35
      Storms also have a range of 500 km, just for now they supply export versions with a range of 260 km, but when they run out, they can also supply full versions
    2. SSR
      0
      30 May 2023 00: 09
      Quote: rotmistr60
      There the Germans are thinking about the Ukrainian request for the supply of missiles with a range of 500 km. How long will this "thinking" last?

      Quote: KCA
      while delivering export versions with a range of 260 km,

      Here, how well it is, I sold it, put it, broke through the bottom, which means it will be with a large radius, with your "rivals".
      In Argentina plus for 260 and 500 for example.
  5. +5
    29 May 2023 06: 50
    if you are not too lazy and find this photo in a higher resolution,

    And where are the pictures from Russian reconnaissance satellites, which filmed both the carrier aircraft of these missiles and their airfields?
    The question is of course interesting

    And an even more interesting question is when will we start to "fight for real" and what is needed for this? An English-made Ukrainian missile in the building of the Russian Defense Ministry or a German tank with a Polish crew, but under the Ukrainian flag in Belgorod or Kursk?
  6. -16
    29 May 2023 07: 15
    Well, serious missiles, of course. But after all, they are shot down, also a fact. And the Ukrainians hope for 3 Su 24 still flying, this is for spoiling the air and not for serious matters. What kind of a turning point in favor of the Ukrainians in the NWO are we talking about with a couple of planes launching four missiles a day, of which 3 are shot down. If Russia is hammering these dolboyaschers every day with packs of missiles, and then there remains a positional war and not an offensive, then what gives Ukrainians these injections. Russia has the resources to maintain the NWO for another 10 years, Russia financially pulls the NWO without problems. According to the reports of foreigners, Russia has taken 8th place in the world in terms of economic development ... and this is in the active phase
    waging war!!! Where are the Ukrainians? Maputo or Mozambique
    1. +7
      29 May 2023 16: 06
      According to the reports of foreigners, Russia has taken 8th place in the world in terms of economic development ... and this is during the active phase of the war!!!

      What kind of reports are these? in fact, according to statistics, last year Russia lost 1,9% of GDP, and even then, largely due to high prices for raw materials, it was kept from a steeper peak. This is somewhere in the 20th place in terms of GDP dynamics in the world from the end, and the worst in the G-20. The dollar estimate of GDP has grown, but this is only the effect of the high exchange rate of the ruble last year (5 years before that we were in the 6th). This year, the ruble has fallen and such excellent results are not to be expected. What kind of economic development are we talking about?

      Russia has the resources to maintain the NWO for another 10 years, Russia financially pulls the NWO without problems.

      Liquid funds in our NWF 6-7 trillion. rub., the deficit for 4 months of this year is about 3,5 trillion. rub. (the deficit forecast for the whole of 2023 was 3 trillion.) Even if we assume that in the future the budget will work to zero and the final deficit will not grow, then with such dynamics there will be enough money until 2025, the region, until 2026. At the same time, Ukrainians have behind their backs, in fact, the bottomless treasury of the West. Why such confidence that Russia will overpower the West economically?
    2. +8
      29 May 2023 16: 25
      According to the reports of foreigners, Russia has taken the 8th place in the world in terms of economic development...

      Dropped out of 6th place?
  7. +27
    29 May 2023 07: 34
    Quote: alebdun2000
    Russia has the resources to maintain the NWO for another 10 years

    Then where does the shell hunger and the T-55 on the front line come from?
    1. -1
      29 May 2023 21: 37
      And don't forget about the NATO grouping, which is trying hard not to shine near the Russian border. I think they keep cordial for them. You don't forget about a bunch of old centennial faggots in the US who saw a chance to destroy Russia now. Yes, they were born in 1920 in the era of developed anti-communism, they became young in 45-50, in the era of anti-Soviet hysteria. Don't they want to see how
      the idea and meaning of all life is realized. Live your life and screw yourself in the end. We are still waiting for a couple of nuclear strikes from them.
      1. +1
        29 May 2023 21: 58
        Even if the meaning of the life of the mentioned elders was in the collapse of the USSR, then in the 91st they saw how it came true
    2. -1
      29 May 2023 22: 14
      We just started saving in advance
  8. +19
    29 May 2023 07: 53
    Quote: ism_ek
    If you don't like the course of the CBO - volunteer and fix it. Storm Shadow is nothing more than a toy.

    Well, if nothing more than a toy, then go to the front, show how to handle it. Last year, people like you spoke in exactly the same way about the Hymers, and the Javelins, and the Harms, and the JDAM-ER.

    Quote: ism_ek
    Are you afraid that she will fly into your yard? Think of the tens of thousands of guys who died for something you could eat sweetly and....

    I personally fear that she will kill tens of thousands more guys. Not directly, but by hitting headquarters, warehouses, and communications. And the guys left without control, ammunition and food will be finished off by enemy infantry. While you will eat sweetly and argue that this is just a toy.
  9. +7
    29 May 2023 07: 57
    And let's wait even longer, they have already established logistics, weapons production, training, R&D.
    In general, one gets the feeling that all this is a big provocation, the purpose of which, let's say, is to distract people from ..... and shift the focus.
    Above, nothing has changed.
  10. +1
    29 May 2023 08: 06
    The Su-27 under the central pylon can haul 1.5 tons. Example: modernization of the Su-27 under the Kh-41.
  11. +11
    29 May 2023 08: 37
    anti-radiation missile

    Maybe, after all, "anti-radar"?
  12. +4
    29 May 2023 09: 47
    Everything is confusing for the author, he got confused in the modifications of the Su-24, Su-24M and Su-24MR, comparing the Su-24 with the Su-24MR is inappropriate, these are two different aircraft, attack Su-24M in Ukraine at one time left 3 (three ) divisions, this stuff is more than enough there.
  13. +3
    29 May 2023 10: 00
    If they can, then they will. Break down for looks.
  14. +2
    29 May 2023 10: 16
    Retargeting of the missile during the flight of the carrier can be implemented both on the toggle switches and on the touchscreen display.
    Of course, if the rocket initially has such a function.
    Why make the rocket "see" the Ukrainian launcher without georeferencing? - these are moving targets, and they hit stationary ones with it, because. With such a "massive" launch, there are simply no resources left for the Su-24M - Storm Shadow linkage for important moving targets - there are not enough for stationary targets.
  15. BAI
    +1
    29 May 2023 10: 19
    German Taurus KEPD 350 air-launched missiles.

    Will be placed. Unofficially, the issue has already been resolved
  16. 0
    29 May 2023 10: 49
    "... In general, it is difficult with the Su-24M: if you collect data from open sources, then from 17 to 24 aircraft of this model were shot down for the entire time of the SVO. And having raised the data on the number of these aircraft BEFORE the start of the SVO, we will understand that they it was considerably less, from 12 to 14. It is clear that [b] the allies could throw something, it is clear that they could attribute something ...." what interesting allies. Belarus, Uzbekistan, Syria, Kazakhstan, Algeria.) No one else exploited. True, there were also Sudan, Libya and Angola.
    1. +2
      29 May 2023 11: 22
      Quote: Alex013
      .In general, it is difficult with the Su-24M: if you collect data from open sources, then from 17 to 24 aircraft of this model were shot down during the entire time of the SVO. And having raised the data on the number of these aircraft BEFORE the start of the NWO, we will understand that there were, as it were, considerably fewer of them, from 12 to 14.

      No Su-24M (MR) was thrown at them, in Ukraine the storage bases for these aircraft were crammed, after the collapse of the Union, the Su-24M and Su-24MR were left in Starokonstantinov, in the 1st AE - bombers, in the 2nd AE - reconnaissance Su- 24MR, in the 3rd - Czech L-39. The rest were sent to storage.
      With the beginning of the SVO, the losses of the Ukrainian Su-24M and Su-24MR were great, as were the losses among the flight crew, they battered their first squadron, and if they generally have no problems with aircraft, I mean their presence, which they hid in caches , then with the flight crew they have a critical situation, if anyone is, they are kamikaze, undertrained.
  17. +5
    29 May 2023 11: 18
    How so? Indeed, not so long ago it was argued that even carriers can be fought easily and naturally:
    Quote: Ryabov Kirill
    Earlier it was reported that the British ALCM could be used by modified Su-24M bombers. Such aircraft are fairly easy targets for Russian air defense and fighter aircraft. Accordingly, the use of imported missiles can be stopped already at the stage of the launch vehicle flight to the launch line. The defeat of a bomber after a missile drop will also have a negative impact on the state of the Ukrainian Air Force fleet and the prospects for the use of aviation weapons.

    But, suddenly, it turns out that
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    But Storm Shadow is a different alignment. The missile makes it possible to keep in suspense almost the entire Crimea, and even the overland continental road to the peninsula.
    ...
    The strategically and politically important bridge across the Kerch Strait is far beyond the reach of Storm Shadow launched from the front line, but firstly, a counteroffensive can change everything, and secondly, there may be a pilot who dares to break through the air defenses and strike at the bridge.

    It all feels like a game of "bad and good cops" ... or philosophical discussions on the topic of "half-empty / half-full glass".
  18. +11
    29 May 2023 11: 20
    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, independent Ukraine got seven Su-24 bomber regiments:
    - 7th BAP in Starokonstantinov,
    - 29th BAP in Berdyansk,
    - 69th BAP in Ovruch,
    - 230th BAP in Cherlyany,
    - 727th BAP in Kanatovo,
    - 806th BAP in Lutsk
    - 947th BAP in Dubno.
    In total, about 90 Su-24 bombers and 120 more modern Su-24Ms.
    In addition, two reconnaissance aviation regiments were based in Ukraine, which were armed with Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft:
    - 12 such aircraft were in the 48th OGRAP (Kolomiya)
    - 23 pieces in the 511th ORAP (Buyalyk),
    only 35 Su-24MR.
    In the 118th Separate Aviation Regiment of Radio-Electronic Warfare (OAP EW) in Chertkovo, there were 6-8 Su-24MP jammers (almost all the machines of this modification built).
    By the beginning of the NMD, only the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade (military unit A2502) in Starokonstantinov, armed with this type of aircraft, remained in the Povitryany Forces of Ukraine. The 7th BrTA has two combat squadrons - the 1st bomber squadron on the Su-24M and the 2nd reconnaissance squadron on the Su-24MR.
    With a total number of serviceable aircraft as of February 24, 2022 - 23 units, 15 - Su-24M and 8 - Su-24MR
    A certain number of Su-24s, of all modifications, were out of order and were laid up at the airfield of the city of Belaya Tserkov
    Repair and maintenance of Ukrainian Su-24M and Su-24MR is carried out at Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Enterprise (NARP)
    Here are the accurately confirmed losses of the Su-24, all modifications of the VVSU
    1. +6
      29 May 2023 12: 25
      "- 29th BAP in Berdyansk," only it was the 29th UAP. As of June 1988, the regiment had 62 Su-24Ms and Su-24s.
    2. +1
      29 May 2023 18: 42
      Interesting data. Nobody will definitely give you the number of serviceable cars, because. it is a military secret. Moreover, they can also remove a star from shoulder straps if it turns out that, say, out of 30 aircraft in a regiment, only 15 or 20 can take off
      1. +1
        29 May 2023 22: 39
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Nobody will definitely give you the number of serviceable cars, because. it is a military secret.

        This is largely an "open secret"
        Type........w/n........Ser. No............ Notes
        Su-24M 2 715335 2016 - in working condition
        Su-24M 6 1041647 2018 - in working condition
        Su-24M 8 1041611 2019 - repaired, in service
        Su-24M 18 1041648 2016 - in service
        Su-24M 20 1341605 2015 - repaired, in service
        Su-24M 21 315303 2014 - in service
        Su-24M 22 715347 2017 - in service
        Su-24M 26 1341606 2017 - in flight
        Su-24M 27 815327 Shot down on August 20, 2014, crew rescued
        Su-24M 28 815328 2016 - in flight
        Su-24M 41 1041636 2014 - repaired, in service
        Su-24M 44 1041650 2021 - repaired, in service
        Su-24M 45? 2017 - in service
        Su-24M 46 1341606 2017 - in service
        Su-24M 49 1141601 on 24.02.2-22 - in service
        Su-24M 66 715336 2016 - in service
        Su-24M 77 1041653 on 24.02.2-22 - in service
        Su-24M 83 615303 Crashed during landing on March 21, 2014
        Su-24MR 11 415304 Damaged by missile on July 1, 2014, restored, in service
        Su-24MR 16 315306 2017 - in service
        Su-24MR 17 315302 2016 - in service
        Su-24MR 35 215303 2015 - in service
        Su-24MR 36 415307 2016 - in service
        Su-24MR 54 741607 2020 - repaired, in service
        Su-24MR 59 741612 2015 - repaired, in service
        Su-24MR 60 741613 2018 - repaired, in service
        Su-24MR 93 315305 2017 - in service
  19. +4
    29 May 2023 11: 26
    Hello Author! And why can't the SU-27 withstand a storm? They even hung a four-ton mosquito on them. One, under the fuselage.
    1. +5
      29 May 2023 16: 09
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      And why can't the SU-27 withstand a storm?

      It will pull, but is there enough free space on the Su-27 to accommodate all the aiming and control equipment of this missile system? Do it quickly.
      In addition, the Su-24 has two people in the crew and the navigator controls the weapons, will one Su-27 pilot be able to cope with this equipment while simultaneously flying the aircraft?
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    1. -5
      29 May 2023 11: 39
      Quote: Griffit
      I read the comments and directly see a meeting of military experts and great strategists

      This is not an article, and not comments on them - this is a mockery.
      Gentlemen, from the latest news - a sudden missile strike has just been delivered to Kyiv - in just three minutes 12 * explosions thundered in the city.
      Glory to the Russian Aerospace Forces!
      1. -1
        29 May 2023 21: 27
        You confused beaver, this is not glory to the Russian Aerospace Forces, but glory to Iranian drones.
    2. +13
      29 May 2023 12: 00
      fighting with 50 countries

      Russia is at war with one country, which is supported by other countries. Moreover, support for the level "cook the frog over low heat."
      annex 4 territories

      Attaching on paper and actually attaching are not the same thing at all. Do not agree, go to the Russian Kherson and send a video of you with the tricolor from the city square.
      destroy 300000 warriors and mercenaries

      You have no losses from Russia in your personal little world, as I understand it.
      drive Europe into recession

      Already frozen in winter. Heard nothing new. The main thing is not to remember the economic situation in Russia.
      PS And the most incomprehensible thing is that you write like that, as if everything is over.
  21. +3
    29 May 2023 13: 01
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    Tightening the SVO will lead to the arrival of the Armed Forces of TNW, and then the SNF .... What will these be "red lines"?


    Do you want the Death Star? Dreaming is not bad.
  22. -4
    29 May 2023 13: 09
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Russia is at war with one country, which is supported by other countries. Moreover, support for the level "cook the frog over low heat."


    In a year, more than 130 billion and so many weapons ... shells - more than all of NATO produced in the same time.
    So the support is pretty good.

    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Attaching on paper and actually attaching are not the same thing at all.


    Until it is like on paper (in fact, it is written in the Constitution) - the actual database will continue as long as it takes to bring the actual situation to a legally fixed one ..

    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    You have no losses from Russia in your personal little world, as I understand it.


    There is, but we seem to have a larger population, and we compensate for the losses by joining new territories with a population. And for Ukroreykha - the balance is entirely negative (both in the territories and in the population, which scatters, moreover, like scalded cockroaches).
    1. +8
      29 May 2023 13: 48
      and the year is more than 130 billion and there are so many weapons.

      And how did you get weapons separately from 130 billion?
      shells - more than all of NATO produced in the same time

      AND? This is true for both parties.
      Until it is like on paper (in fact, it is written in the Constitution) - the actual database will continue as long as it takes to bring the actual situation to a legally fixed one.

      It is interesting how quickly your point of view is transformed when the war touches you directly.
      There is, but we seem to have a larger population, and we compensate for the losses by joining new territories with a population.

      AND? So can you make it smaller? Or does the annexation of new territories reduce losses?
      1. +4
        29 May 2023 18: 51
        Perhaps by "population compensation" your opponent means the acquisition of Russian citizenship by immigrants from Central Asia, for example from Tajikistan ... winked
  23. 0
    29 May 2023 13: 55
    By the way, a postcard with the Staro-Konstantinovsky Su-24, which is also attached to the article, played a cruel joke with the Ukrainian Minister of Defense, a lawyer who wears glasses and who constantly has a mouth from ear to ear (that is, he smiles stupidly)
    Everyone is frankly laughing at him now - the former lawyer acted as an aircraft controller, like he works for the Russians. Scream.
    1. -1
      29 May 2023 22: 21
      By the way, the postcard with the Starokonstantinovsky Su-24, which is also attached to the article, played a cruel joke on the Ukrainian Minister of Defense ...

      This is someone's invention. And without this, everyone knew that it was possible to use the British KR primarily with the Su-24, this was discussed many times. And where they are right now, you won’t know this from a postcard.
  24. +3
    29 May 2023 14: 18
    [quote anti-radiation missile AGM-88 (HARM) was integrated on the MiG-29 and Su-27] [/ quote]
    Roma what kind of rocket is this? unparalleled or a figment of your imagination? There is an AGM-88 anti-radiation missile, but no one has heard of the AGM-88 anti-radiation missile.
    1. +1
      29 May 2023 14: 29
      There is an AGM-88 anti-radiation missile, but no one has heard of the AGM-88 anti-radiation missile.

      Radiation - radiation. Accordingly, the type of rocket missiles that are directed to radiation is anti radiation. And if we consider that the RRR is used to destroy not only such radio-emitting objects as radars, but also to destroy electronic warfare and communications stations, then nit-picking the word "anti-radiation" is somewhat hasty.
    2. +1
      29 May 2023 21: 57
      There is an AGM-88 anti-radiation missile, but no one has heard of the AGM-88 anti-radiation missile.

      AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti Radiation missile)
      Features of translation from English
  25. +4
    29 May 2023 15: 10
    Quote: ROSS 42
    It only becomes clear that Russia's victory in the NMD is doomed to failure by various "cunning" ideas, multi-move in circles and rakes and snot around the necessary negotiations and diplomatic paths.
    Russia is not able to deliver massive strikes ... It is not in the right to bring down the crushing power of the existing weapons ... "High efficiency" and excessive material interest of managers prevent it from establishing mass production of the necessary weapons ...
    We are forced to watch. how the authorities are trampling on the edge of the abyss, not wanting to admit the failure of their economic course and the complete failure of foreign policy. Why failure? Yes, because today Russia has only third-party observers as allies, I don’t even know how to adapt the CSTO to this situation ...
    You Roman. write and do not think that you do not have grateful readers ... It is very pleasant to know that in some issues you have like-minded people with the correct grammar.
    good

    Gazprom to pay $78 million to football club from Turkey over 3 years
    for t-shirt slogans
    attached to Gazprom the money that Schalke-04 and the Champions League used to bash

    anywhere but at home, to the Russians, help to the mobilized, fundraisers for drones

    this is not a war between Gazprom and its superiors.
  26. +3
    29 May 2023 15: 58
    Here are the reports at the beginning of the NWO that aviation has ceased to exist. And it exists and modernizes Soviet aircraft under the weapons of the West.
  27. +2
    29 May 2023 18: 22
    But for the time being (while there are few Patriots) there is a chance to start hitting "decision centers", bridges, railway communications, etc. Refuse the "grain deal" and mine the ports. Maybe not much time left. And change Shoigu / Gerasimov / Naryshkin for someone more capable.
    In general, in my opinion, Russia has only one thing left: to fight until the APU runs out of soldiers, or money / weapons from "dear partners". Or immediately capitulate, having previously evacuated the population, otherwise the Ukrofascists will arrange a real genocide there.
  28. 0
    29 May 2023 19: 15
    Chongarsky railway bridge is quite a goal.
  29. +2
    29 May 2023 20: 16
    Quote: ism_ek
    If you don't like the course of the CBO - volunteer and fix it.

    And you, mon ami, wrote these lines while sitting in a trench on the front line? :)
  30. +3
    29 May 2023 21: 53
    The strategically and politically important bridge across the Kerch Strait is far beyond the reach of Storm Shadow fired from the front line.

    From Gulyaipol to the bridge - 270 km in a straight line. English version in export version - up to 250.
    But the French and Germans for their winged aircraft have an export range of 300 km. And about those and about others there are talks about the transfer to Ukraine.
  31. 0
    29 May 2023 22: 27
    If this is a rocket, then it is more logical to use it from a launcher, for example, AKU-58, and not from BD-4-USK. Tell me, why are adversaries used?
  32. +4
    30 May 2023 03: 07
    I never understood why Ukrainian planes should be converted to smart bombs and harm. If former Soviet aircraft have already been transferred to Ukraine from the former countries of the Eastern bloc. For 30 years, everything on them has been integrated to NATO standards for a long time. And with the KR it’s not more difficult, only the original missile suspension is integrated, the task of the pilots is to fly to a given area and shoot the missile.
  33. 0
    30 May 2023 21: 41
    Following the Mig-23, Mig-27 Su-17, it turned out, all of a sudden, that the Su-24 has where and how to successfully use it. I am not a professional in aviation, but from what I read on this topic, it makes me think that with the above aircraft, the course of the main event would have been more productive at least.
  34. 0
    7 June 2023 21: 31
    Quote: ism_ek
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    Tightening the CBO
    what does the tightening of the SVO mean? Here "we accelerated in Bakhmut. In five months, more soldiers were lost than in the Afghan and Chechen wars. Every fifth attack aircraft of the PMC Wagner died. (
    If you don't like the course of the CBO - volunteer and fix it.
    Storm Shadow is nothing more than a toy. Are you afraid that she will fly into your yard? Think of the tens of thousands of guys who died for something you could eat sweetly and....

    And the Afghan and Chechen wars were not. This is CTO - like the first Afghan in 1932.