"Bayraktar": dive to complete bankruptcy

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Well, it turns out that the NWO performed by Russia hits the Turkish enterprise, and not just hits, but from the foot. And how beautiful it all began ... And what a continuation ...

But we'll go in order.



The most famous product of Baykar (“Baykar”) is the same “Bayraktar” TB2, that is, simply “Bayraktar”. The drone is not new to the market and in the sky, it managed to fight from the heart. The whole question is how successful.


Even earlier, I was very skeptical about what kind of hype was raised around this drum drone, but there's nothing to be done about it. First, Azerbaijan staged a strong PR campaign during the next conflict with Armenia, then the Turks themselves added, then it was the turn of Ukraine. And then again Turkey, which I had the honor to report to you here:
Drone carrier: aircraft carrier laughter and tears in Turkish

But laughter is laughter, and they buy a drone. Not countries with top armies, but they are buying. Poland, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, Ukraine ... The latter, of course, is doubtful, when Ukraine bought something from us, they give it everything anyway. But the Turks could take the money, they know how.

Well, more than 20 countries are in line to buy. And here the Turks may be in trouble, because a number of countries may definitely refuse to purchase. However, the main troubles are not even in this, although everything is in the complex here.

"Bayraktar" fought. Syria, Libya, Iraq, Nagorno-Karabakh, Ukraine. Somewhere successful, somewhere not very good. In general, the "Bayraktars" showed themselves well where they were not in danger. But it's one thing to drive the Kurdish guerrillas and the Syrian militia, it's another thing to have the Libyan People's Army and regular Syrian troops as opponents. Where more or less decent air defense was present, Bayraktars fell from heaven to earth quite normally.


And what began in Ukraine, except as a continuous PR, you can’t name it. And the air defense systems were destroyed, and the MLRS, and howitzers, and even Pantsiri-S1. But the destruction of FOUR Russian Raptor-class boats and one Chamois-class landing craft by Bayraktars became epic.


Raptor-class patrol boat


Project 11770 landing craft "Serna"

No, except for jokes: can you believe that with one ATGM or a pair of 20-kg bombs you can sink a ship that is easily dragging a tank or two infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers or a company of marines?

Of course, these defeats hit the Bayraktars very hard, since certain doubts appeared in the press (not ours) that a boat with a displacement of 100 tons could be destroyed with the onboard armament of the Bayraktar. Excuse me, you still have to manage to get into the Raptor, with its size and speed.


Yes, the Ukrainian side provided video reports on which something hit the boats, some lumps flew, but the fact of the sinking of five boats is not confirmed by anything, except for indistinct videos. That is - not confirmed at all.

Meanwhile, in Turkey, on this optimistic wave and under the influence of interest in Bayraktar, it was quite logical to decide to invest in production and laid the foundation for a production plant in Istanbul drones. It was planned to produce two models - Bayraktar itself and Akinchi. The plant cost 600 million lire, or $100 million. Decent money.

The money had to pay off, since the interest in Bayraktar was and was constantly warmed up. As a result, the miracle drone, allegedly in no way inferior to the American "Reaper" in terms of combat capabilities, but much cheaper, has become a kind of icon of our time.


As I understand it, the Turks also fell under the influence of their own advertising and believed that Bayraktar would make them rich. The construction of the plant began, expensive equipment was purchased, which was supposed to pay off in eight years, according to all calculations and plans.

In general, the bet was made very logically, because Baikar was ahead of all Turkish manufacturers of military equipment, earning $2021 million in 664. Basically, the profit was brought by export deals, from which Baikar received about 80% of the profit.

The bet was made not only on "Bayraktar", but also on "Akinchi". Unlike "Bayraktar", "Akinchi" is not so well known, although the project is very promising.


Akinchi is the fruit of the joint work of Baikar Makina and the Ukrainian Motor Sich. The device is equipped with a Ukrainian AI-450S turboprop engine, this is the contribution of the Ukrainian side. The Turkish-Ukrainian drone made its first flight in December 2019. In 2021, the Akinci was adopted by Turkey.

Akinchi weighs 5 kg, of which 500 kg is payload, 1350 kg in the bomb bay, and another 400 kg at eight external hardpoints. Two 950 hp engines everyone is allowed to do it. The drone is equipped with its own radar with AFAR and an aiming system from Aselsan.

In addition to Ukraine, Qatar, Azerbaijan and Malaysia showed interest in Akinchi. There have been reports in the Turkish press that the pre-order portfolio for drones is 46 for Bayraktar and 36 for Akinci. Plus 28 control stations, at the rate of one station for three UAVs.

During the year, in addition to three pre-production experimental devices, six more Akinchi were assembled for the Turkish armed forces. "Akinchi" has been combat tested in operations against the Kurds in northern Iraq.


And now, after relatively successful applications against the Kurds and detachments of Nagorno-Karabakh, losses in Libya and Ukraine somewhat tarnished the reputation of the Baikar devices. Plus, there are competitors who offer products for a similar purpose.

For example, Tajikistan has chosen a very interesting Iranian-made device for itself.

"Bayraktar": dive to complete bankruptcy

"Ababil" due to its versatility, cheapness in production, structural simplicity and efficiency can be a valuable tool in guerrilla warfare. An apparatus with one engine and a pusher propeller can very easily be converted into a projectile with 40-50 kg of explosive, which it can deliver to a distance of up to 250 km.

"Ababil" has already been noted in Sudan, Yemen and Lebanon, and its use has been appreciated. And the price is very different from Turkish drones, because Iran also decided to play in the regional market, offering its drones to everyone.

Well, how without China? China is also very actively developing the Arab-Persian market, offering its devices, including heavy strike UAVs.

Russia is also beginning to indicate movements in this market, offering the Orion-E UAV in reconnaissance and strike versions. The Orion has also been tested by combat operations in Syria and Ukraine.

So the Turks today have a very difficult time. The presence of such a number of competitors in the market obliges.

And today in Turkey, in addition to assembling the devices themselves, they are actively working on new schemes for the use of drones. For example, "Akinchi", which two engines allow to climb high and carry an impressive combat load, plays the role of a carrier, and "Bayraktar" highlights targets with the help of its quantum equipment. This allows the more expensive Akinchi to theoretically stay out of enemy air defense coverage.

In 2022, Akinchi dropped an LGK-9 guided aerial bomb from a height of 150 m, which successfully hit a target illuminated by Bayraktar.

The range of Akinchi products used includes KGK-SIHA-82. This is an ordinary free-falling aerial bomb, which was equipped with a homing head and wings. As a result, a bomb weighing 340 kg hit a target 30 km from the drop site.

The airborne radar with AFAR will allow Akinchi to use air-to-air missiles, which are rapidly adapting to UAVs.

Today, Akinci is the largest of the Turkish UAVs.


At the same time, it favorably differs in height and flight duration. On tests "Akinchi" in flight, which lasted 20 hours and 23 minutes, gained a height of 13 meters. But it was a flight of an experimental model on British engines, with a power of 716 hp. each.

And now it's time to talk about engines. More precisely, their absence.

Akinchi was designed for a pair of AI-450MS engines developed by Zaporozhye enterprises Ivchenko-Progress and manufactured by Motor Sich. Alas, both enterprises were practically put out of action by Russian cruise missile strikes.

And so "Akinchi" was without engines. Naturally, the Turks began to look for alternative options, but alas, with all the criticism of everything Ukrainian, the AI-450MS turned out to be very technologically advanced and it was not easy to find a replacement for them.

Apparently, Baikar took the path of installing a more powerful, but expensive engine, but it was not easy to take it. Now Turkey has a rather sad period of parting with Western engine suppliers. The Austrian Rotax was left without Bayraktar engines, the Canadian company Bombardier Recreational Products, which owns Rotax, announced the termination of the supply of these engines to Turkey.

The Canadians reacted very negatively to the use of Bayraktars without their consent in the Azerbaijani army. After another conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Canadians stopped supplying engines. And at the same time they cut off oxygen in terms of Wescam MX-15D thermal imagers and TP6 engines from the Canadian branch of Pratt & Whitney. These engines are up to 1250 hp. it was planned to be installed on training aircraft for the Turkish Air Force.

By the way, about thermal imagers: it turned out to be very unpleasant. I also had to look for ways to solve the problem. It seems to have been found. The Bayraktars began to install electro-optical sighting systems CATS (Common Aperture Targeting System) of the Turkish arms concern Aselsan. But even here a problem arose: the complexes were originally developed for helicopters, and the use on UAVs did not give optimal performance, a lot had to be finalized and reworked.

In addition, they had to do their best to double the number of CATS produced, which turned out to be not a very pleasant surprise for the concern.

The Turks are getting out with engines, the Turkish-made PD-170 engine with a capacity of 170 hp will be installed on the Bayraktar. This is even better than the Rotax 912, which has only 100 hp.

But for "Akinchi" everything is sad. There is another development, PD-222. This engine seems to be "on the way", but its power is only 250 hp. And the PD-222 cannot be compared with the Zaporozhye AI-450MS.

In principle, Turkey still hopes that Ukrainian engine builders will “lick their wounds” and be able to produce much-needed engines for Akinci. In general, the Ukrainians, most likely, are completely “for” the continuation of cooperation. But Caliber is putting an end to this whole undertaking now and there are no guarantees that they will not put it up again later.

Well, it will be quite unpleasant for Turkey that Zaporozhye will become part of a certain conglomerate of pro-Russian territories in the future.

Agree, 250 hp. instead of 450 - it's very sad. And you can forget about many things, including the sale of "Akinchi" for good money.

Yes, who said that import substitution is easy?

It is worth noting that the Turkish engineers and designers somehow did not succeed with the engines initially, and not a single project was brought to perfection.

The result is a very unpleasant situation: the plant for the production of Bayraktar and Akinci may turn out to be a black hole, where millions of Turkish liras will fall into. If everything is more or less normal with Bayraktar, then Akinchi, left without engines and thermal imaging equipment, may cease to represent such a serious device for serious money.

Of course, the Turks will do everything possible to replace the Austrian-Canadian engines, the question is that there is nothing special to replace them with.

And, strange as it may sound, but all hope is for Ukraine. The Ukrainians did not quarrel with the Canadians and they have no problems with thermal imagers. And maybe there will be engines. If Russia once again does not spoil everything.


This refers to the promising developments of Ivchenko-Progress on the modernization of the same AI-450 by installing a second turbocharger, which will allow removing up to 1000 hp from the engine. There is also a very promising AI-500 turbojet engine, whose power is estimated at 700 hp. The whole question is only in the ability to produce these motors and deliver them to Turkey.

But it seems to me that Ukraine, as a supplier and consumer for Turkey, is lost. Not today, but by the end of the NWO for sure. The purchase of assembly kits for Bayraktars, attempts at production - all this will remain in the past.

But more and more technical problems are added to operational and marketing problems. Yes, if the Ukrainian media had not lied so godlessly about the "incomparable fighting qualities" of the same TV2, then perhaps everything was not so bad.

However, terrible tales about the colossal successes of Bayraktar in Ukraine against the backdrop of the loss of UAV drones do not add positive aspects, rather, on the contrary. A drone with a combat load of 95 kg (do not forget that the 150 kg payload also includes an aiming module weighing 55 kg), destroying columns of armored vehicles and sinking boats right and left - well, a little not those times today to believe for dollars in such.

Turkish manufacturers have serious problems with engines, thermal imagers and marketing. And it may well turn out that “Bayraktar”, about which literally six months ago they spoke, as some kind of “miraculousweapons", will cause considerable losses to the Baikar Makina company.


In general, it's fair. Marketing today is not an absolute and perfect deception. Especially in terms of weapons. Especially with regard to UAVs that fall within the coverage area of ​​the Russian Buk and Tor.
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  1. Eug
    +53
    20 July 2022 04: 51
    PMSM, Ukraine (Motor Sich in particular) has already transferred the production of AI-450, for which there is a fairly stable demand, to another site. As for the rest, the Turks were the first to enter an interesting segment, now competitors have come there too. As for me, Russia now has much bigger problems with UAVs (or rather, without them) than Turkey ...
    1. +15
      20 July 2022 14: 52
      The AI-450 engine is produced by Progress, Motor Sich performs those operations that Progress cannot, it has pilot production, not a full cycle. Production was not transferred anywhere, since a significant part of the equipment and equipment was destroyed (damaged) during the strike. Although "Motor" can produce both the AI ​​- 450 and its own engine MS - 500, which is close to the Progressive one in terms of performance characteristics, although it is somewhat larger and heavier, but also more powerful.
      1. -5
        20 July 2022 16: 26
        Most importantly, intellectual property and technical documentation, equipment and materials are not a problem to acquire from the West. Apple generally collects its phones in China. In the same way, the assembly of these engines can be arranged in Poland.
        1. +14
          20 July 2022 17: 17
          A little bit not so simple))) we need machine tools, furnaces, equipment and people who work on all this. A real trifle - about 10 snouts that work only on the main site.
          1. +17
            20 July 2022 19: 01
            The article is generally strange. Experience with the use of Bayraktars
            against a country with the most developed air defense, it does not matter.
            Not Bayraktar is bad, but we are great. Everywhere, somewhere else
            the result will be the same as in Armenia. If the staff is ready. hi
            1. +1
              21 July 2022 23: 52
              If they can’t do it in air defense, then yes
      2. Eug
        0
        20 July 2022 20: 47
        I, too, have always believed that AI are products of ZMKB them. A. Ivchenko (although the TVD and TRD AI - 2x were produced at the MS serial plant), but quite a long time ago in some aviation magazine in an article about HeliRussia AI'-450 was called the development of the plant. Didn't bother to specify.....
        1. +2
          20 July 2022 21: 14
          "Motor" has its own design bureau, engines MS - 500 and beyond - this is "Motor". But AI - 450 is a purely "Progress" topic, "Motor" is only in the wings, in those positions that "Progress" did not do.
          1. 0
            20 July 2022 23: 43
            But I didn’t understand something in Skomorokhov’s article, this moment
            This refers to the promising developments of Ivchenko-Progress on the modernization of the same AI-450 by installing a second turbocharger, which will allow removing up to 1000 hp from the engine.

            Turboshaft engine , single - stage centrifugal compressor , one turbine . Moreover, the shaft from the free turbine was dragged forward through the hollow shaft of the turbocharger.
            Here, any alteration into a new engine results in .
            1. +3
              21 July 2022 14: 18
              It must be understood that the author has a poor idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXband does not imagine the device of a turbofan engine or a turboshaft engine at all. That's why he writes nonsense. It is impossible to put any additional turbine for supercharging there. You can increase the power, but you need to redo the compressor.
  2. +11
    20 July 2022 04: 55
    Bayraktar: dive to complete bankruptcy
    Information about my death is somewhat exaggerated, right? There is an increase in instability in the world and the demand for UAVs will grow. The bet on engines from the Ruins was initially correct, but the result, .... who knew that there were even more scumbags. request
    No, they would only "survive until dawn" (film)
  3. +32
    20 July 2022 05: 43
    Well, the Turks made a small mistake with a bunch of sacks of Turkish lira... wassat
    In general, the conclusion is simple. You cannot rely on the production of components for your equipment somewhere on the side. It is necessary to have your own production that does not depend on geopolitics, and absolutely all components must be produced in one country. From the fuselage and engine to the last bolt. We have already encountered this many times. Therefore, it is necessary to develop our own production, and not rely on "partners". Today's allies can become an enemy tomorrow, and that's it, the production of something promising stops. A recent example is a turbine for Gazprom.
    1. +32
      20 July 2022 05: 54
      But even Joseph Vissarionovich once postulated - "You must have your own"!
      1. -5
        20 July 2022 16: 59
        But even Joseph Vissarionovich once postulated - "You must have your own"!

        He postulated everything correctly: that's why he bought an American harvester and exported Carl Zeiss ...
        bully
        1. +12
          20 July 2022 18: 40
          "that's why I bought an American harvester and exported Carl Zeiss ..."
          What was later subjected to reverse engineering was often improved technologically and successfully produced in the USSR at its own enterprises ...
          For example, the Rolls-Royce engine was improved for an instant so that the British did not recognize "their" iron ...
          1. 0
            20 July 2022 19: 04
            McCormick Deering 15-30 was "taken out" along with the enterprise, as well as Zeiss was transported to Lytkarino and Krasnogorsk, along with specialists, equipment, raw materials and semi-finished products ...
            I've heard the story about "the British who didn't recognize the dvigun" before, but I hardly believe it, because it differed from the British original only in a larger combustion chamber and a larger turbine ...
            And they released the VK-1 (RD-45) on the Moscow salute on equipment inherited from the French gnome-ron, who themselves made the British Bristol ...
            hi
            1. 0
              31 July 2022 20: 57
              All but not all ... it was the independent materials science of Soviet science and industry that first made it possible to copy, and later using their own achievements to solve defense issues ...
    2. +13
      20 July 2022 08: 41
      It will take years to make an enterprise that produces products entirely from domestic parts. This is possible only with state administration, a private trader will not pull this. After 30 years of the collapse of everything and everything, it will not be possible to quickly catch up. It will not be easy even to simply copy the machines necessary for production and put them into production, it is a big engineering job to find analogues of materials, make the necessary parts out of them, and the most painful place is the electronic stuffing ..
    3. man
      +8
      20 July 2022 09: 19
      A recent example is a turbine for Gazprom.
      So they wrote on VO that ours are already manufacturing such turbines themselves, I already had time to rejoice ...
      1. -4
        20 July 2022 10: 11
        Quote: mann
        A recent example is a turbine for Gazprom.
        So they wrote on VO that ours are already manufacturing such turbines themselves, I already had time to rejoice ...


        They lie.
        And those Russian names, like Ladoga-25 or Ladoga-32 - they all use foreign turbines.
        General Electric.
        1. man
          +3
          20 July 2022 11: 09
          They lie.
          And those Russian names, like Ladoga-25 or Ladoga-32 - they all use foreign turbines.
          General Electric.

          Disappointed ... sorry if this is so. Very sorry
          1. +1
            21 July 2022 18: 45
            Not exactly lying. Siemens turbines are made in the Russian Federation, but I'm not sure that everything is domestic there and they are not licensed, they are still Siemens
            1. man
              0
              22 July 2022 00: 30
              Not exactly lying. Siemens turbines are made in the Russian Federation, but I'm not sure that everything is domestic there and they are not licensed, they are still Siemens
              And thanks for that. Even so. And they will fully learn how to do it!
        2. +13
          20 July 2022 11: 13
          Quote: SovAr238A
          They lie.
          And those Russian names, like Ladoga-25 or Ladoga-32 - they all use foreign turbines.
          General Electric.

          So Ladoga with GE turbines is REPH. And then, immediately after the purchase of the license, they began localization, right up to the hot zone (the turbines themselves). True, not finished yet. sad
          But besides them, there is also the UEC with their GPU line. And the "heart" of the GPA-25 is the Permian PS-90 or the Samara NK-36.
          1. 0
            20 July 2022 12: 36
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: SovAr238A
            They lie.
            And those Russian names, like Ladoga-25 or Ladoga-32 - they all use foreign turbines.
            General Electric.

            So Ladoga with GE turbines is REPH. And then, immediately after the purchase of the license, they began localization, right up to the hot zone (the turbines themselves). True, not finished yet. sad
            But besides them, there is also the UEC with their GPU line. And the "heart" of the GPA-25 is the Permian PS-90 or the Samara NK-36.

            Our turbines are not installed on the Nord Stream.
            We do not have turbines of such capacity that would be able to pump 1000 km with the help of one compressor station.
            And doing R&D, for the sake of 20 sets, main, reserve and spare, is really expensive and stupid.
            And 25, as I understand it, is not enough, 30-35 are needed ...
            1. +8
              20 July 2022 13: 33
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Our turbines are not installed on the Nord Stream.

              They could not have been on SP-1 - at the time of its construction, our GPUs did not yet exist.
              Plus the requirements of Western investors.
              But at the UP there are just GPA-25 produced by the UEC.
            2. +1
              20 July 2022 15: 53
              Our turbines are not installed on the Nord Stream.
              We do not have turbines of such capacities,

              They are not set due to the lack of a time machine. laughing
              Remember when SP-1 was built.
              And to install other turbines is to stop the flow for several months.
              Maybe this can be done, but only by running sp-2
          2. +3
            20 July 2022 20: 41
            from personal experience. in 2019, he took part in the design of a high-pressure compressor shop for Rosneft (Kharampur field). in fact, three buildings in each of the gas turbine engines with a capacity of 16 MW JSC "UEC-GT", manufactured in Rybinsk
        3. man
          +9
          20 July 2022 11: 27
          They lie.
          And those Russian names, like Ladoga-25 or Ladoga-32 - they all use foreign turbines.
          General Electric.

          This is because of the ugly modern practice, to put financiers, economists, even journalists at the head of a project, an enterprise, even journalists, anyone but non-professionals!
          A specialist, even if he steals something (in our time it seems like nothing without it), then much less than a financier-economist. Because professional honor!
          1. +8
            20 July 2022 18: 45
            fact ... economists, financiers, lawyers at the head of enterprises have greatly spoiled the CASE, wherever possible.

            The brains of these non-comrades are completely sharpened to thief schemes. They should not be allowed to manage in any CASES for a cannon shot: they will either ruin it or harm it.

            BUSINESS is sometimes inefficient, unprofitable and extremely costly. But if it is vitally NECESSARY (!) marketing economists, etc. the brethren must speak according to the residual principle.

            The market in Russia should be only for goods that you can do without. For the necessary - only State regulation of the MATTER. A private trader simply WILL NOT do even the most important, if it is unprofitable.
            1. man
              +3
              21 July 2022 01: 20
              I almost completely agree with you.
              There are significant additions only to the last paragraph:
              The market in Russia should be only for goods that you can do without. For the necessary - only State regulation of the MATTER. A private trader simply WILL NOT do even the most important, if it is unprofitable.
              Who will carry out state regulation? Officials, who else?
              And here I have big doubts that the current officials will properly regulate and control the matter, because almost all of them are the same economists, financiers, lawyers who will saw, steal, etc. It turns out that it is necessary, as in the USSR, to create sectoral ministries, where also take professional specialists who, moreover, have organizational skills. From where they left, they came there.
        4. +1
          20 July 2022 11: 32
          I read somewhere that investors tried there, there was a condition that their turbines. Well, it is necessary to support the domestic industry.
          1. +4
            20 July 2022 13: 34
            At SP-1, in addition to investors, there was another problem - there were no domestic GPUs of the required capacity at that time. Briefly speaking, Sir, there is no gunpowder in the fortress. smile
      2. +1
        20 July 2022 17: 59
        At sp 2 there are domestic turbines and at sp1 Siemens.
        1. man
          +1
          21 July 2022 01: 33
          At sp 2 there are domestic turbines and at sp1 Siemens.
          Can I have a link? And then some say - domestic, others - General Electric, and I'm freaking out here, but the doctors forbade me smile
      3. +3
        20 July 2022 18: 41
        They make. At SP-2, if I'm not mistaken, Russians are standing. Only replacing a Siemens turbine with a Russian one will take several months, if not more. So much more certification. Yes, you need to make it first. Such units are simply not made in stock.
        And most importantly, why should we? Europeans courageously create difficulties for themselves, let them extricate themselves from them. It’s like we don’t have our own headmen))
        1. +1
          20 July 2022 20: 49
          if I'm not mistaken, then a simple replacement of the gas turbine engine of the compressor station entails a radical alteration of the entire workshop. their seats (and it is problematic to put new foundation bolts into a finished monolith), their own piping and other technology. it is probably easier to make a new workshop than to redo the old one
        2. +1
          20 July 2022 21: 35
          Quote: Ponchik78
          They make. At SP-2, if I'm not mistaken, Russians are standing.

          On SP-2 are GPA-32 "Ladoga". And this is not a fully localized licensed GE from REPH.
          The production and assembly of the GPA-32 Ladoga is carried out at the production facilities of Nevsky Zavod under license and in cooperation with GE Oil & Gas.
          © official site "REPH"

          There are also domestic GPU-25s from UEC at SP-2, but they pump gas in the onshore section to the "introductory" CS of the underwater pipeline.
          The Rybinsk company UEC - Gas Turbines, which is part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec, has delivered four gas pumping units GPA-25 with a capacity of 25 MW to the Gryazovets site - the Slavyanskaya CS (Babaevskaya CS) for the needs of Gazprom Invest LLC. It is planned to put the equipment into operation in 2020.
          The project for the construction of a new section of the Gryazovets – Slavyanskaya CS gas pipeline is being implemented to ensure gas supply to the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in the amount of 55 billion cubic meters per year. In addition, up to 8 billion cubic meters per year will be supplied to consumers in the North-West region of Russia, mainly located in the Kingisepp district of the Leningrad region.
          The GPA-25 is based on high-performance gas turbine drives PS-90GP-25 developed by the Perm enterprise UEC-Aviadvigatel and manufactured by UEC-Perm Motors.
          © Rostec official website
        3. man
          +3
          21 July 2022 01: 26
          And most importantly, why should we?
          So that specialists do not lose their qualifications and, if necessary, be able to do their own thing. And there will be a need, sanctions are forever.
          1. +2
            21 July 2022 03: 49
            I meant this situation. Let them flounder) And there are enough places where our specialists can keep their qualifications at the level even without SP-1.
            1. man
              0
              21 July 2022 13: 51
              And there are enough places where our specialists can keep their qualifications at the level even without SP-1.
              Well, if this is true, then the objections are removed. smile
        4. man
          +1
          21 July 2022 01: 39
          They make. At SP-2, if I'm not mistaken, Russians are standing.
          Shall we decide by voting? smile I am for domestic, it's easier to improve than to start from scratch
      4. +1
        21 July 2022 09: 45
        Russian-made turbines are installed at sp-2.
  4. +19
    20 July 2022 05: 53
    No need to bury Bayraktar ahead of time. The presence of any developments in this area is better than their absence. The problem of the engine is completely solvable. Turks will not do turboshaft. But the piston type Rotax - easily. The most difficult and expensive thing in Rotax is reliability and safety according to aviation standards. But if you do not bother with certification, then they will be able to rivet a similar engine from automotive components fairly quickly.
  5. +29
    20 July 2022 05: 56
    The economic bloc of the government of the Russian Federation has buried so much money in the West that they could build a hundred such factories as in Turkey. And the LPR is raising money for bulletproof vests and helmets.
    You involuntarily recall the words of Field Marshal Minich of Catherine the Great: "Russia is controlled directly by the Lord God ....".
    Indeed, betrayal, theft and cretinism have reached supernatural, cosmic proportions, but the country exists. This is the wonder of wonders....
    1. +1
      20 July 2022 06: 33
      but the country exists.
      Thanks to oil-holy hydrocarbons.
      1. +2
        20 July 2022 17: 03
        Thanks to oil-holy hydrocarbons.

        In Iraq and Libya, oil is heaps ...
    2. +4
      20 July 2022 12: 41
      The thought is correct, only under Anna Ioannovna Minich commanded.
  6. +5
    20 July 2022 06: 21
    the author made a mistake with the lira exchange rate
    600 lire = $000
    $100 = 000 lire
    The plant cost 600 million lire, or $100 million. Decent money.
    1. +2
      20 July 2022 07: 42
      The lira exchange rate tends to the Ukrainian dinar, but at one time it tries to break away from the Turkish lira and get closer to the ruble. Interesting rally
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  8. +1
    20 July 2022 07: 46
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    but the country exists.
    Thanks to oil-holy hydrocarbons.

    So after all and problems - because of it same. So that's how it turns out.
  9. +17
    20 July 2022 07: 47
    That is - not confirmed at all.
    But why? There is a photo in which the flooded landing craft is clearly visible, for the lifting of which a floating crane arrived


    After lifting and delivering to the factory, on this boat they saw just such a "hole"
    1. +3
      20 July 2022 14: 26
      Quote: svp67
      After lifting and delivering to the factory, on this boat they saw just such a "hole"

      And the fact that the hole is above the waterline - how is it? It looks like they flooded themselves, because of the fire.
      1. +6
        20 July 2022 14: 34
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And the fact that the hole is above the waterline - how is it?

        And what do you think, during a wave or a storm, it would greatly help this boat?
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        It looks like they flooded themselves, because of the fire.

        Everything can be, or maybe he scooped up water, with a sharp turn.
        One thing, I know, in our region in the city of Sukhoi Log, two midshipmen were buried within a month

        A sailor from the Urals, who served in the Navy, died during a special operation in Ukraine. Information about this was confirmed by Roman Valov, the head of Sukhoi Log.
        They said goodbye to Kirill Salmin today, July 9, at the Kristall Palace of Culture. He served in Kaliningrad for a long time, but the body of the military was taken to Sukhoi Log - to his mother.
        - Kirill studied here as a child, at the seventh school in our city. I only knew him as a child. He was a good guy, very active. I studied with the Cossacks in the "Cossack patrol" - this is their youth organization, - said Valov.


        and all this just during the days of these events around the Serpentine
  10. +16
    20 July 2022 07: 53
    and "Bayraktar" highlights targets with the help of its quantum equipment.
    What a beautiful word - "quantum". One involuntarily recalls Jourdain from The Tradesman in the Nobility. So is the author in the technical field.
    1. +5
      20 July 2022 11: 15
      Quote: Aviator_
      What a beautiful word - "quantum". One involuntarily recalls Jourdain from The Tradesman in the Nobility.

      Well so, it's in the soulless west - laser. And we have - optical quantum generator. smile
      1. +2
        20 July 2022 19: 13
        And we have an optical quantum generator.
        It is, of course, true, only such a term was used in the 60s of the last century, at the same time when the term ETSVM was used (not to be confused with analog computers). And there are many quantum systems, the laser is only one of them. For example, a maser - for which Basov, Prokhorov and Towns grabbed the Nobel. But the author is unaware of this.
  11. +3
    20 July 2022 08: 33
    Novel, but can you tell us in more detail where and how often we used our Orion UAVs in the sky ??? there! You can’t see or hear anything about our UAVs!
    1. 0
      20 July 2022 08: 44
      And for some reason, our military doesn’t see them at point-blank range above their heads! And, I received such information from those who are now fighting there! Nothing is seen or heard about our UAVs!

      But the Ukrainian military broadcasts about thousands of Russian UAVs over their heads, because of which they can’t look out of the trenches, otherwise hello will fly in.
      Who to believe? ))))
      1. -4
        20 July 2022 09: 16
        Lukul, then, start believing any of their lies! And about our bombing of exclusively peaceful objects, and the fact that we have kids en masse almost from kindergartens for the war am negative
    2. 0
      20 July 2022 17: 06
      for some reason, our military don’t see them point-blank above their heads

      The militia of the DPR is also our military, but they are still not our military (paradox) ...
  12. +1
    20 July 2022 08: 51
    And, again, "maybe". Or maybe not.
    The author doesn't seem to know. Orders are usually placed well in advance.

    And "serious problems with engines, thermal imagers and marketing" - so who doesn't have them?
    China is fine, it has been on the market for a long time, but that Iranian UAVs, previously unknown (or only from commercials), suddenly appeared from somewhere and began to promote themselves, it is expected only in one case. Theirs is not enough.
  13. +3
    20 July 2022 08: 56
    Whoever contacts the Ukrainians will turn out to be in shit!)
  14. +5
    20 July 2022 09: 01
    Good day to all
    Author, please clarify what "quantum equipment" is?
    1. 0
      20 July 2022 10: 44
      Laser. It can be said that it is used.
  15. +6
    20 July 2022 09: 18
    And it may well turn out that Bayraktar, which was talked about just six months ago as some kind of “wonder weapon”, will cause considerable losses for the Baikar Makina company.
    But for now, the patient is more alive than dead.
  16. +3
    20 July 2022 09: 25
    And what about the production of OWN UAVs? In my opinion, no way.
    1. 0
      24 July 2022 14: 29
      It’s normal for us according to the current doctrine, but according to the results it has to be changed, and the problems that have arisen are solved in emergency mode, which seems to work out quite well
      Especially with small kamikaze drones
      But the military-industrial complex will not make quadrics, it’s easier to change household items, replace some elements and use it - maybe it’s cheap, because it’s a stupid consumable
      Therefore, China is massively driving mavics, etc., even their representatives came to Moscow time and Donbass
  17. +9
    20 July 2022 10: 22
    Strange conclusions are made in the article. While we are witnessing the obvious and obvious success of drones in Ukraine - moreover, on both sides - there is a desperate need for them, up to the visits of top officials to Iran, incl. and in order to buy UAVs there, hundreds of UAVs, the article postulates the bankruptcy of a leading manufacturer of relatively heavy drones "for the poor." It is all the restrictions on the supply of components that directly mean that in exchange for them, bans on supplying their products to "undesirable" countries do not work. Quite a juicy piece of the market!

    And taking into account the family ties of the company, whose head and "face" is married to the daughter of the president of the country, it is all the more strange to expect bankruptcy.

    In my opinion, both Iran and Turkey and China have excellent, excellent prospects of having a profitable UAV export business to countries that the US does not want to supply its drones. Or those who do not have money for advanced weapons.

    Like any secondary product, a copy, such drones will significantly exceed the original in terms of price / quality. That is, the quality will be 2 times worse, but the price will be 10 times worse. At the same time, as we observe for the same cars, the quality quickly catches up to the original, becoming indistinguishable from it.
    1. 0
      20 July 2022 17: 07
      up to the visits of top officials to Iran, incl. and for the purpose of buying UAVs there, hundreds of UAVs

      How many bought?
  18. +2
    20 July 2022 10: 26
    If the author is a buffoon, then you can not read ...
  19. +7
    20 July 2022 10: 42
    Some unsubstantiated conclusions that contradict the facts. The Turks have already fully paid off the new plant only on the sale of TV-2 and only to Ukraine. Yes, problems with engines are possible, but unlike our hand-assed designers, they will solve them
  20. +1
    20 July 2022 10: 53
    In 2022, Akinchi dropped an LGK-9 guided aerial bomb from a height of 150 m, which successfully hit a target illuminated by Bayraktar.

    The range of Akinchi products used includes KGK-SIHA-82. it ordinary free-falling an air bomb, which was equipped with a homing head and wings. As a result, a bomb weighing 340 kg hit a target 30 km from the drop site.


    it’s good to have a “free fall” from a height of 9 km to a distance of 30 km))) some kind of Hat in the info!
    1. +6
      20 July 2022 11: 22
      Quote from Commodore Arctic
      it’s good to have a “free fall” from a height of 9 km to a distance of 30 km))) some kind of Hat in the info!

      Read carefully:
      This is an ordinary free-falling bomb, which was equipped with a homing head. and wings.

      Free-falling AB (judging by the name KGK-SIHA-82 - this is the standard Mark 82) became a warhead. On which wings, mechanics and GOS were hung. Got Turkish JDAM ER.
      Here it is in the top left corner:
      1. 0
        20 July 2022 21: 12
        Well, malice is obvious - a Russian word free-falling does not involve planning. All these guys in YouTube wingsuits don't look good free-falling. And the technology of planning bombs - yes, it works great.

        1. +2
          20 July 2022 21: 27
          Quote: Proctologist
          All these guys in YouTube wingsuits don't look free-falling at all.

          So without wingsuits, they are free-falling. smile
          Like the original bomb before it was equipped with wings.
  21. +7
    20 July 2022 12: 14
    Any UAV cannot be a miracle weapon in principle. They simply reduce human losses and reduce the cost of the database.
  22. +9
    20 July 2022 12: 37
    Turkish manufacturers have serious problems with engines, thermal imagers and marketing. And it may well turn out that Bayraktar, which was talked about just six months ago as some kind of “wonder weapon”, will cause considerable losses for the Baikar Makina company.


    Nevertheless, the Turks have orders ...... Part of the orders from the EU countries. They will most likely have no restrictions.
  23. +7
    20 July 2022 12: 47
    You can be sarcastic about the Turks as much as you like, but first you need to look at yourself. All the problems with engines, stuffing, weapons that they have, this is at least the third or fifth stage. We haven't gotten past the first one yet. Or that we have already made a decent engine? Or do we already have on-board electronics on stream? And in general, how much has our industry produced all UAVs in general? If it is believed that everything is in order with this component in our army, then why are volunteers across the country collecting money for copters?
  24. +1
    20 July 2022 13: 33
    According to Konashenkov's reports, as of July 20.07.2022, 90, about XNUMX Bayraktars were shot down
  25. +10
    20 July 2022 13: 48
    Mdaaa ... ... it's a pity that the rating of the articles was removed. It would be very indicative how such "articles" are evaluated by the audience.
    It would immediately become clear the difference between such empty, like a saucepan in a soldier's canteen, articles of full-time "journalism" filled with frantic propaganda, when not even facts, but simply speculation, the most ethical conclusions are attracted by the ears .... and articles simply by amateur enthusiasts, where the facts are much more stated, and the conclusions are much more careful and restrained
  26. +4
    20 July 2022 14: 46
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    Well, the Turks made a small mistake with a bunch of sacks of Turkish lira... wassat
    In general, the conclusion is simple. You cannot rely on the production of components for your equipment somewhere on the side. It is necessary to have your own production that does not depend on geopolitics, and absolutely all components must be produced in one country. From the fuselage and engine to the last bolt. We have already encountered this many times. Therefore, it is necessary to develop our own production, and not rely on "partners". Today's allies can become an enemy tomorrow, and that's it, the production of something promising stops. A recent example is a turbine for Gazprom.

    Dry theory, my friend, and the tree of life is forever green. (Faust. Goethe). This is not possible in principle. Gas turbines of this type, in Russia, as those used on Pipe-1 and Pipe-2 with all reserves and reserves, are no more than a dozen. The development of such a small amount of produced iron will result in an increase in the cost of EACH at times. The design of such complex and extreme equipment is hundreds of times more expensive than the unit of this product itself. This includes not only the work of a designer (at a drawing board, or a CAD system), but also the design and manufacture of instruments, equipment, test benches, on which both individual elements and the complete system will be twisted and turned. Prototyping, of course, which is impossible to sell, because they are tested to death. There are many thousands of highly qualified workers. Super expensive alloys. (they still need to be obtained, and work out the technology of smelting, processing parts, develop programs for CNC machines,) If a hundred products are made, then the cost of this bodyagi is distributed over the whole hundred, increasing the price of a unit not so much. How much will our homemade product cost, in terms of those 10 pieces of turbines that cannot be used anywhere else? The production at Siemens for the whole world is, of course, much more quantitative than by us for our pipelines. And, of course, we will never be able to compete with them. If you agree to pay for gas not 6 rubles per cubic meter, but ..... repaying the cost of OUR equipment instead of serial Siemens equipment, then say so and convince everyone else of the importance of such a step.
  27. +1
    20 July 2022 14: 55
    The article is interesting, I just want to clarify - AI - 450 is produced (more precisely produced) by Ivchenko-Progress, Motor Sich is involved in production, in the part where Progress does not have its own capacities. Since "Progress" has experimental design production, and not a full cycle. Therefore, they transfer some operations to "Motor".
  28. +1
    20 July 2022 15: 14
    Quote from: gnat76
    It will take years to make an enterprise that produces products entirely from domestic parts. This is possible only with state administration, a private trader will not pull this. After 30 years of the collapse of everything and everything, it will not be possible to quickly catch up. It will not be easy even to simply copy the machines necessary for production and put them into production, it is a big engineering job to find analogues of materials, make the necessary parts out of them, and the most painful place is the electronic stuffing ..

    Reverse engineering (theft of design and technology) was good in the last century. The history of the Fordson-Putilovets tractor. We dismantled 7 pieces, down to the screw, measured all the details, brought the sizes into a table, calculated the average sizes and made drawings according to the average sizes. (The proletarian specialists did not know about what tolerances, landings, calculations of dimensional chains then. From the word ...) Many years later .... Microcircuits were copied by etching silicon layers in acids and photographing the microrelief in oblique ultraviolet rays. This was done until the dimensions of the elements were tens of microns. When they left for a few microns, it became impossible to steal. There was no super-thin optics, chemistry, precision equipment, and so on ..... SUCH to copy?

    1. +3
      20 July 2022 19: 24
      About what tolerances, landings, calculations of dimensional chains then the proletarian specialists did not know. From the word.....
      Are you seriously sure that then the engineers were appointed directly from the plow and the machine tool by the decision of the Central Committee? By the way, converting inch drawings into metric ones with the recalculation of strength standards is a rather non-trivial task, this was done not only on tractors, but also in the aircraft industry on licensed aircraft DS-3, Catalina, etc. And our first 400-horsepower M-5 aircraft engine generally was an unlicensed copy of the American "Liberty", a trophy of the Civil War.
      1. 0
        19 January 2023 20: 22
        I work as a mechanic...

        No, it's not easy to copy, because at first you work on the "normal tree" standard, while Westerners work on the "normal diameter" standard. At first glance, they are the same part, a perfect match, you might say... except that after assembling the parts, sometimes there is a different behavior of the "irritated" parts or those that expand, which usually leads to reliability deficiencies.
        Then there is the lack of engineering expertise, exemplified by the Tolyatti facility built by Fiat (body), Ford (transmission) and Mercedes (engine). There was nothing Russian in Lada!...
        Tatra manufactures engines for its trucks using RVI machines sold in 2011 (5 euros) end-of-life with us...

        Khrushchev was driving a ZIL... Putin is driving across the Crimean bridge in a 4x4 Mercedes. Even the subconscious message of the first Russian cannot be compared with speeches.

        In the Russian machine tool industry, with which I am well acquainted, they are often oversized, strong but heavy, with excessive clearances and, above all, with dubious metallurgy (sand bubbles in foundries, porosity, rough surface), as if the workers who produced , were careless in production. achievement.

        This results in performance deficiencies.
        I could give an example of Balticmill Sverdlov's drilling machine with German CNC Heidenhain, steel rails: Bakelite was replaced with steel/PTFE rails, which increased the maximum table load by 6 tons!
        Or this mechanical press from Barnaul that you use with a maximum load of 800 tons, while we produce 1200 tons with improved clearances, lubrication and frame deformation control ... this is the same machine that was just reviewed.

        Your industry is capable, no doubt, there are people who are both competent and talented, because we find ingenious technical solutions. For example, this four-wheel drive tractor, thanks to the simple freewheel you made before anyone else...
        This Vendeneev M14P engine is simply amazing...
        Klimov V12, which was our Hispano Suiza, you sublimated, Yak 3 surpasses our 520 D 1936.
        Tu-95 and its high-performance propellers...
        But now you are only 50 years too late.

        In fact, there is only one thing I would recommend... get moving!
  29. +1
    20 July 2022 15: 15
    I liked this phrase of the article (estimating the cost of production from scratch):
    "The plant cost 600 million lire, or $100 million."
    we didn’t have money to start producing UAVs?
    or is this not the amount due to which they will make a decision and start doing something?
  30. +7
    20 July 2022 16: 12
    You can see right away that one place is on fire. You would be better off writing the truth about your army, and not hanging noodles on the ears of the scattered. And why didn’t you tell how Japanese cameras are in Russian UAVs instead of optics?
  31. +9
    20 July 2022 17: 04
    A very strange article. Usefulness The importance of drones is now undeniable even by the most die-hard retrogrades.
    the fact that bayraktars influenced the fighting in Ukraine is also beyond doubt. It is that Turkey was among the trendsetters for drones is also a fact.
    Therefore, we should probably write articles about the alleged bankruptcy of a company producing bayraktars and think about why we don’t have such in the right amount.
  32. +1
    20 July 2022 17: 06
    It is possible to copy designs, but it is doubtful to copy technology, only if you steal the technological documentation in full.
  33. -3
    20 July 2022 17: 16
    Interesting review. And these things are no faster than planes from the First World War. That's why they fly not so noisy. And they are visible on the radar.
  34. +11
    20 July 2022 17: 18
    Articles have already gone ready to compete with Ukrainian propaganda ... "Bayraktar: dive towards complete bankruptcy"! Why? Why?! No answer. 20 countries are in line, "but someone can refuse." Why, if since the beginning of the NWO the number of applicants has only grown? "Bayraktars are falling." And why shouldn't they fall, for their price ten times less than aircraft? And did some analyst say that the downed bayraktars did not pay for themselves? "Peremogi hit the bayraktar very hard" ... And here is already a total tin. That is, they burn on the video air defense systems, columns of armored vehicles, boats (moreover, the fact that the chamois cannot be restored was declared by ours) of the second army of the world, but all this "beats" them! "Slightly wrong times today to believe in such things for dollars" (in what ???) Well, the cherry on the cake is as an illustration of "miserable scrap metal", a photograph of a bayraktar shot down OVER THE RUSSIAN TERRITORY. This is a ready-made slogan - "do not buy bayraktar if you do not want to bomb Kursk"
  35. +3
    20 July 2022 18: 50
    Quote: Sergey Ivanov_62
    Good day to all
    Author, please clarify what "quantum equipment" is?

    Well, firstly, not equipment, but apparatus, and secondly, not quantum, but moonshine drinks he just liked the word, very clever.
  36. 0
    20 July 2022 19: 40
    Bayraktars will buy. Those who do not have money for real aircraft (even Chinese ones), do not have money (and time) to train pilots, and who have a potential enemy who does not have good modern air defense.
  37. +5
    20 July 2022 19: 42
    I wonder what the author smokes. Countries lined up, production does not keep up with orders, but for some reason the biker is on the verge. Engines have been developing their own for a long time, and knowing how the Turks work, I can say with confidence that they have engines in stock in advance. Tajikistan wanted tb2, but due to the objections of Kyrgyzstan, they did not sell it. Iran is forced already. Orion, what kind of competitor if they haven’t satiated their troops yet? In short, all nonsense in order to overthrow must be written as much as in the article. Author, take a breath.
  38. +3
    20 July 2022 20: 21
    Quote: Aviator_
    About what tolerances, landings, calculations of dimensional chains then the proletarian specialists did not know. From the word.....
    Are you seriously sure that then the engineers were appointed directly from the plow and the machine tool by the decision of the Central Committee? By the way, converting inch drawings into metric ones with the recalculation of strength standards is a rather non-trivial task, this was done not only on tractors, but also in the aircraft industry on licensed aircraft DS-3, Catalina, etc. And our first 400-horsepower M-5 aircraft engine generally was an unlicensed copy of the American "Liberty", a trophy of the Civil War.

    You did not pay attention to the fact that the complexity of the task has NOW increased by a million times. Convert inches to millimeters. Recalculate sizes. Yes, there is nothing easier, believe me. I, a half-life designer, hated odd sizes. Axial, with such dimensions, they are crushed into halves, and fractions after the decimal point, which ..... damn them. Believe me, you can draw any detail. But not everyone can do it. A drawing instead of a turbine blade You can't stick it into a turbine. (A six-axis machine that grinds this simple piece of iron is needed!) Where to get it, that's the question.
    1. +2
      21 July 2022 02: 11
      Quote: Crispy
      Believe me, you can draw any detail. But not everyone can do it.

      Exactly ! When did Iran land the first US (how much joy) drone and let them get acquainted with it?
      How many of them did he fill and provide Russia with their remains? Today there are hundreds of copies of them in Iran, and in
      Russia from the workers ...- "screwdriver" Outpost?
      How many Bayraktars, Anka, Israeli and US UAVs in varying degrees of preservation have gone to Russia in Syria, Libya, Karabakh over the years? ...
      But retarded, capable only of copying other people's products, the Chinese and Iranians remained the last hope for access to at least some technology ...
  39. 0
    20 July 2022 21: 04
    Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
    How many bought?

    They count chickens in the fall ... We'll see in a month.
  40. +4
    20 July 2022 23: 02
    First, Azerbaijan staged a strong PR campaign during another conflict with Armenia,

    Is it? Azerbaijan has shown a new type of military operations, and quite successful ones, and the "PR" in the form of filming from a UAV deserves a prize for camera work. And this is not another conflict, but a real war that has raised the fighting to a new modern level.
  41. +5
    21 July 2022 04: 33
    Roman, your essay is similar to "The Fox and the Grapes"
  42. 0
    21 July 2022 08: 39
    Illumination with the help of quantum equipment, or I fell behind or the author turned down.
  43. 0
    21 July 2022 09: 39
    Iran is such a high-tech power that it can produce thermal imagers, optics and motors for its drones. Ordinary crafts made from Chinese phones and lawnmower motors. China also receives Western components without the possibility of copying, since no supplier in the right sense will raise a competitor for himself. He copies, receives partial production of non-critical components and nothing more, and everything complex is protected.
  44. 0
    21 July 2022 10: 03
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    even Chinese

    even Chinese! That's why we can never be in league with the Russians, who see only America, Europe and Israel.
    1. 0
      22 July 2022 13: 17
      Never mind. We have two camps here. Both hate the US and Europe.
      Only some support power, others consider it corrupt. It is the same with peoples. Some consider all traitors, others brothers. Everything is in order. So pay no attention. Many believe that China is our ally
  45. 0
    21 July 2022 11: 02
    All that follows from the article is that Russia is very much underperforming in terms of destroying the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. Something is uncontrollably transferred somewhere and it remains not destroyed.
  46. 0
    21 July 2022 11: 12
    Quote: VyacheSeymour
    Quote: Crispy
    Believe me, you can draw any detail. But not everyone can do it.

    Exactly ! When did Iran land the first US (how much joy) drone and let them get acquainted with it?
    How many of them did he fill and provide Russia with their remains? Today there are hundreds of copies of them in Iran, and in
    Russia from the workers ...- "screwdriver" Outpost?
    How many Bayraktars, Anka, Israeli and US UAVs in varying degrees of preservation have gone to Russia in Syria, Libya, Karabakh over the years? ...
    But retarded, capable only of copying other people's products, the Chinese and Iranians remained the last hope for access to at least some technology ...

    Here you should enter some coefficient. A standing racing car will be overtaken by a crawling turtle. And not external signs of technological and financial power - an indicator of speed in SOMETHING specific, but efforts. I don’t know why, let’s say, we are not lagging behind in tank building, but, with drones, a puncture. In nuclear power, they are the first, and in the manufacture of washing machines, most likely, the last. There is no need to use Iran, India, Taiwan as an example. At least they didn't experience state collapse and they didn't fall apart. The human heart is 2% of its mass. If these 2% are pulled out. How will the other 98 feel?
  47. +3
    21 July 2022 14: 25
    Bayraktar is no less effective in the SVO in Ukraine than in previous wars with his participation.
    This is a mid-range tactical reconnaissance drone (in terms of size). Useful always.
    Sometimes, as a scout and artillery spotter, sometimes, as a drummer.
    Naturally, it is used depending on the presence of high-altitude air defense in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbits work.
    It's the same with any aircraft.
    Su-35s also fly over limited areas of Ukraine, where their S-300s and Bukis do not reach.
    This does not mean that the Su-35 is unsuccessful.
  48. 0
    21 July 2022 19: 57
    Even earlier, I was very skeptical about what kind of hype was raised around this shock drone, but there's nothing to be done about it. First, Azerbaijan staged a strong PR campaign during the next conflict with Armenia, then the Turks themselves added, then it was the turn of Ukraine.

    But is it okay that they were not weakly "grounded" by the Russian military in Syria?
    Something from the author a whole page of military history has fallen out of memory ... sad
    1. 0
      21 July 2022 21: 53
      Quote: alystan
      But it’s okay that they were not weakly “grounded” in Syria by the Russian military

      Syrian, yes, but I don’t remember Russian ...
      Bayraktar is a low-speed, low-altitude target, devoid of any sensors signaling exposure and any kind of protection! It's a shame not to shoot down such a perfect target! But, nevertheless, they caused much more harm than their cost, and if you count the lives of the destroyed enemy soldiers without a single loss of their own ...- then he is worth his money!
  49. 0
    21 July 2022 21: 44
    Excuse me, you still have to manage to get into the Raptor, with its size and speed.
    - level of analysis: "GOD" laughing
  50. 0
    22 July 2022 22: 17
    To sink a ship, and not something armored, but a light speed boat is not easy, but very simple. The main thing is to get in. A speed of about 50 km / h (with straight movement and no obstacles) is also not some kind of difficulty for aiming
  51. 0
    24 July 2022 13: 55
    Firstly, talk of bankruptcy of Baikar Makin is somewhat premature. Secondly, even if the Turks go bankrupt, this will never be Russia’s problem. But I would call Russia’s problem that the country that grows persimmons, apricots and tomatoes has easily overtaken us in the production of UAVs. I really want journalists to again interview our bureaucrats and heads of enterprises responsible for the production of UAVs, and precisely those who two or three years ago at various exhibitions broadcast about their successes. We asked them if they wanted to add anything to what was said earlier?
  52. -1
    25 July 2022 06: 52
    Quote: Xenofont
    The thought is correct, only under Anna Ioannovna Minich commanded.

    Learn materiel. Minikh was initially a promoter of Peter the Great. But he lived to see the reign of Catherine the 1nd.
  53. 0
    26 July 2022 20: 42
    “But it seems to me that Ukraine, as a supplier and consumer for Turkey, is lost” - first complete the SVO, and then draw conclusions about who is lost to whom