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Picnic on the side of the space

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In the previous article on our prospects in space exploration and near-earth orbit Since, we can repeat? I confess I was somewhat optimistic. More precisely, I would very much like it to happen.


However, during the time that has passed since the publication of the article, the situation has changed somewhat. And, as usual, not for the better.

It is worth starting with the news that on April 29, the Chinese launch vehicle Changzhen-5B launched into orbit the first segment of the future new Chinese orbital station, the Tianhe base module.

Picnic on the side of the space

And then the Chinese plan to launch the Tianzhou-7 cargo ship with the equipment for working in orbit to the Tianhe with the Changzheng-2 rocket. After the docking of the module and the truck, a manned spacecraft "Shenzhou-12" with three cosmonauts (taikonauts, if in Chinese) will be launched. And now, in orbit, a Chinese orbital station of constant presence is obtained.


Does anyone have any doubts that the Chinese will do this?

Personally, I don't. China and India are two who want to take their (worthy) place in space and claim their piece of the cosmic pie. By "pie" I mean the possible upcoming division of the same lunar interior. And what, the Americans have already “staked out” and are selling concessions for the extraction of rare elements. Why are the Chinese and Indians worse?

Moreover, China really made a breakthrough into space, almost independently.

If anyone does not know, back in the nineties, when the ISS project was just taking shape, the United States banned the Chinese space agency from participating in the ISS program "for security reasons." Allegedly, the Chinese can "borrow" American and European technologies.

And in 2011, the US Congress banned any cooperation on space programs between the United States and China.

And now China has shown that it can cope on its own. No outside help.

However, the successes of Chinese engineers are of secondary interest to us. More important is what we have. And with us everything is very ambiguous. On the one hand, there seems to be a prospect, on the other hand, we are not exactly losing what we won in Soviet times - we have actually lost everything.

However, judge for yourself. Let's start by asking ourselves the question: What place does Russia occupy today in space exploration? Only honestly, and without references to the Soviet past.

If you look at manned space exploration, we share the second or third place with China. Or have already missed China. But it is clear that the United States has gone very far ahead with its new Musk ships, but what about ours - just below.

Planetary exploration is a separate topic. And it's hard for me to say where we are, because it is not even the last. The last is when at least something is done. And we have a complete zero. The Japanese, meanwhile, brought soil samples from asteroids. European spacecraft investigated the Churyumov-Geramimenko comet. American spacecraft are already beyond Pluto and on Mars. The Chinese landed their craft on the far side of the moon.

Yes, we were also going to launch the Luna-25 AMS this year, but our words are too different from our deeds. However, it is possible with the prefix "as usual".

For more than 20 years, Russian cosmonautics happily played the role of a cab to the ISS, quietly digesting the millions of dollars we were paid to deliver astronauts to orbit. Now that the freebie is over, it's very easy to predict how things will turn out.

The Chinese ship of the new generation has been tested. The Mask ships fly successfully. And where is our federal "Eagle"? And it still exists at the level of sketches, drawings and plans. And for some reason the Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the Russian Federation believe the pilot-cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev, executive director for manned space programs of the State Corporation Roscosmos, who said that the Eagle would never fly at such a pace.

The next beautiful headlines on the website of the same Roscosmos say that "The first ship" Eagle "can fly to the Russian station." The key word here is “Maybe”. It may or may not fly. 50-50, as they say.

And, of course, one cannot do without a quote from Rogozin.

“If in 2025 we deploy the base module of the new station, then we will fly with a new ship. We plan to launch a new manned spacecraft Eagle in 2025, and we plan to fly to the ISS. Yesterday I met with a detachment of cosmonauts, collected them all, and we are now considering the possibility of changing the flight mission, that is, to fly not to the ISS, but a new manned spacecraft with a crew will fly to our Russian station. "

And if we don't expand? It turns out that everything is very difficult with the basic module. As well as with a launch vehicle for heavy launches.

The Chinese, by the way, have their heavy booster rocket flying with a hydrogen stage. Yes, we had “Energy”, but here the key word was “was”. Now there is no. It is also difficult to say when the Angara-5V will fly.

As it is difficult to draw at least some perspectives there.

Rubicon - year 2024.

Yes, a full-fledged Rubicon. It is 2024 that will show who is good for what. This is the year when work on the ISS will come to an end, everyone who built the station will shake hands with each other (or will not) and each go to his own sandbox.

And this is where our problems begin. The Chinese already have a module in orbit around which an orbital station will be built further. On the model and likeness of our "Mir": a living module, two laboratory ones, a transport ship and a manned ship. A great bunch to start with.

What can foreigners build? Anything. Both Europe and Japan felt the taste. I don't even want to talk about the United States.


In the previous article, I was happy to say that we still have something left. And on this it is quite possible to build your own station. And so it was reported that all the talk about the NEM, the scientific and energy module, which could become the heart of the new station, is just talk and nothing more.

There is no module. There are two patterns made in metal. One is just a model for studying options for laying commutations, electrical harnesses and cables, pipelines. The second model is for static tests, strength, vibration ... That's all.

These two “barrels” were manufactured and transferred to RSC Energia for testing and testing. Rogozin posted a video at the beginning of April showing how this same NEM is being assembled.

However, the video does not capture the assembly of the module itself, but its layout. For hermetic tests. This happened on April 8, 2021. And on April 20, Rogozin announced that the NEM, intended for the ISS, would become the first module of the new Russian orbital station ROSS. But for this, the module will need to be reworked.

Rogozin was supported by Vladimir Soloviev, First Deputy General Designer of RSC Energia. He announced the terms: it takes 1,5-2 years to redesign NEM for the needs of ROSS. The module must be equipped with two cabins for cosmonauts, the docking unit will be replaced from active to passive, since in fact it will already be a station, traffic control systems and navigation systems will be installed. In addition, additional solar panels, telemetry, communication, ventilation and regeneration systems.

Here it becomes clear that the module that will operate on the ISS as one of the constituent components and the basis of the future ROSS (Russian Orbital Service Station) orbital station are slightly different things.

The question arises: will these four years be enough for such a rework, given the fact that since the beginning of work on the NEM, and this, let me remind you, the end of 2012, the matter has not progressed beyond two models at all.

In general, NEM was originally planned to be launched into orbit in 2016. Not withdrawn only because "there is no money." Despite the fact that money from commercial launches and space transportation flowed to Roskosmos like a river, NEM's cart remained in the same place. And now Rogozin is trying to convince everyone that in 2025 we will have a new station in orbit.

To which the new ship "Eagle" will fly ...

In order to only adapt the NEM to the new conditions, Soloviev demanded 2 years. That is, the assembly of the NEM takes only 2 years. Do you believe? Personally, I am not. As things are going "quickly" with us, it will take about 5 years to build the module. With all the finishing touches, tests and "shifts to the right" - 8-10 years minimum. That is, it is no longer 2025, but 2030. Best case scenario.

However, Rogozin quickly recovered and soon announced the year 2030.

And such another nuance, important. Money. Which did not exist when we were monopolists in terms of space transportation, and will not exist now. True, Rogozin voiced several figures from which one can push off.

One of them is that the new station will cost a trillion rubles. Decent figure. But where to get a trillion in the Roscosmos budget, which consists of holes and criminal cases of embezzlement? Rogozin also said that the new station will have about the same costs as our contribution to the ISS. That is, $ 360 million a year.

A trillion rubles is almost thirteen and a half billion dollars. 38 years of ISS maintenance.

What am I doing? This means that our refusal to work on the ISS will not free up so much money that we could easily build our own station and maintain it. That is, you will have to build exclusively for your own. And about the fact that all this will pay off, you can not even dream. The ROSS station, unlike the ISS, will not be constantly operating. This is a temporary visit station, like the Chinese.

But the Chinese are now going through a stage that they went through in the Soviet Union in the seventies and eighties of the last century. And they walk by leaps and bounds.

In our country, both Rogozin and Deputy Prime Minister Borisov said that a permanently operating station in orbit on the model of "Mir" is simply not affordable. The station will hang out at the top in automatic mode and there will be temporary visiting expeditions.

The idea with the ROSS station is somewhat reminiscent of the Aurus car. Yes, prestigious. Go out a couple of times a year and demonstrate to everyone. What to demonstrate is another matter.

Today, there are no tasks for a person in near-earth orbit that can justify the very stay of a person in orbit.

Therefore, the gaze of all cosmic powers is directed, if not to the Moon, then to other cosmic bodies. And the prospects for work in near-earth orbit are now minimal. Satellites can easily cope with the sounded observation of the Northern Sea Route. A person is definitely not needed for this.

China has launched its third orbital station. What for? Then, in order to solve the problems that the USSR solved 40 years ago. Human life in zero gravity, life support, food and so on. For China, this makes sense, the Chinese also want to go to the moon. And the Indians want to. It matters to them too.

What's the point for us? None. This is a complete degradation and regression - a temporary visiting orbital station. And humiliation to watch the Americans fly to the moon again. And they will fly.

Why didn't we fly? There was no rocket. Why will the Americans fly? Because there is a rocket. What the Americans are planning to fly is the SLS rocket, a single-launch scheme for landing on the moon. As was the case with "Saturn" (good if it was), as it was planned for us with N-1.


We do not have such a rocket. The Angara-A5 project is a multi-launch system. This means that first you need to put into orbit in four launches, dock and assemble a lunar ship and fly on it.

Of course, in order to collect all this, a station in orbit would be very useful. A sort of building house, yes.

Unfortunately, we do not have a super-heavy rocket capable of launching a load of 100 tons into orbit to provide a single-launch flight to the Moon. And Rogozin and the others stubbornly not even remember about "Energy". It is much better to "work" with the "Angara", which at best can provide a four-launch complex.


In general, Rubicon 2024 will show everything. If we left the ISS in 2024, and moved to our station in 2025, it would be nice. Doubtful, really. Now the year 2030 seems more likely.

The question then is where the Chinese and the Americans will be in 10 years. The Chinese will already be finalizing the resource of their station, what NASA will come up with is not yet known.

By the way, the American helicopter is already flying on Mars, the rovers are already studying the surface. The Chinese are next in line to Mars. Tianwen 1 is already in orbit ...


Tianwen 1, photographed with a detachable camera

The most disgusting thing is that no one needs us anymore. Not as carriers of space technologies (perhaps space toilets), nor as cabs. Everybody has boosters. The United States and China have ships. Europeans and Japanese have excellent interplanetary robotic stations.

We have nothing that could interest anyone. Perhaps the Hindus, who are at the very beginning of their journey into space. But we all know perfectly well how to work with this country. It’s very difficult.

For 6-7 years we may be left without any manned flights at all. There will simply be nowhere to fly, and there is no need to. It is obvious that Roskosmos, led by our remarkable in many respects Dmitry Rogozin, is unlikely to be able to quickly turn the tide.

Hence the very ugly conclusion:
- in the near future we will not have an orbital station.
- in the near future we will not have lunar flights.
- in the near future, we will not have exploration of other planets.
- in the near future, Russia will lose all attractiveness as a partner in space for other countries.

It remains to be hoped that the still lagging Chinese can agree to the participation of the Russian side in their projects. However, it is worth remembering that when the Chinese side takes over all that is missing in technology, we will again be left with a broken space trough.

A kind of picnic on the side of the space road. With the observation of how others fly to planets, asteroids and comets, launch rovers and helicopters, take the first steps on the surface of the planets of our system.


Japanese probe "Hayabusa-2" on an asteroid

And we will only have to look after this, consoling ourselves with the fact that "we were once the first." And to be surprised that everyone else is not interested at all.

Probably because the key word here is "Were."

To our great regret, what Roscosmos is doing today is a return to the technologies and tasks of the USSR in the seventies. Although, perhaps, there are no specific tasks. Everything has already been completed once.

So it turns out that in words we will fly anywhere. In fact, our destiny is a cosmic roadside.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 3 May 2021 04: 14
    +32
    "We were once the first"
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 3 May 2021 07: 56
      +4
      - in the near future we will not have an orbital station.
      - in the near future we will not have lunar flights.
      - in the near future, we will not have exploration of other planets.
      - in the near future, Russia will lose all


      -and 10 pcs of Av with 100 000 Vs will not be
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            2. V.I.P.
              V.I.P. 3 May 2021 19: 52
              +2
              And Navalny was at the trough so that he could steal the budget?)))) In the Russian Federation, they are imprisoned for a penny, and if he stole and did not give a share in time, he was greedy))). and if you steal in billions, then no one will touch, well, or let you go and live abroad in peace)).
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            4. hhhhhhh
              hhhhhhh 4 May 2021 09: 06
              +3
              Can you read? Reread why Navalny was imprisoned and whether there was budget money there.
  • Civil
    Civil 3 May 2021 11: 45
    +4
    1. Recognizing the disease is 50% of the success of the treatment. Recognize the facts indicated in the article.
    2. To send principled patriots of space to the management of the space industry.

    But this is a fantastic option. Reality is a gradual degradation. We have no money for space. There are no more frames for a jerk.
    1. Sergey Pavlov
      Sergey Pavlov 3 May 2021 16: 13
      0
      "2. To send principled patriots of space to the management of the space industry." - a pipe dream under the current government and system. You yourself probably understand this. Hence, the conclusion follows - in order to stop the mess in the space industry and in the whole country it is necessary ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 21
      -5
      Yes, people like you, eternal whiners, are nowhere and have nothing - and as for specialists in the space field, 50000 people under the age of 35 now work.
      1. Sarboz
        Sarboz 4 May 2021 15: 24
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, people like you, eternal whiners, are nowhere and have nothing - and as for specialists in the space field, 50000 people under the age of 35 now work.

        I marked the previous article by the author "Since we can repeat" with a skinny asterisk. I barely read this one to the end. A set of defeatist slogans based on nothing. Why try to write this, it was enough to post a selection of comments from the local diaspora of Elon Musk's admirers.
        Of course, there is no point in helping the Americans to maintain the ISS's performance. We will certainly launch the Russian Orbital Station (ROS). In addition, we will master the International Scientific Lunar Station, not competing with China, but cooperating with it.
        Roscosmos State Corporation and the Chinese National Space Administration (CNSA) have adopted a joint statement on cooperation in the creation of the International Scientific Lunar Station (ISL).
        Earlier, Russia and China signed an intergovernmental Memorandum of Understanding on cooperation in the creation of an International Scientific Lunar Station (ISL).
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 3 May 2021 19: 12
      +4
      But this is a fantastic option. Reality is a gradual degradation. We have no money for space. There are no more frames for a jerk.
      Eh, it's sad ... how - truncated !? fool So over 30, with a little years, a great legacy of the Mighty, about .... love on the board!
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 4 May 2021 16: 08
        +2
        Did the Democrats promise us that we will fly into space? Not. They called for "space" money to start up on pensions. By retirees, they meant themselves, and in accordance with their wishes, they "sent" cash flows into their pockets. Therefore, in the Russian Federation, the direction of space research (all) will soon cease. And they will come up with a justification. And then trouble will come from space, they will destroy the remnants of the SNZ from orbit and that's it, the Russian Federation is over, the time will come for many small countries in its place. But you won't find the guilty ones now.
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 4 May 2021 16: 05
      +2
      And where is our federal "Eagle"? And he still exists at the level of sketches, drawings and plans.
      How? Even the cartoon was not filmed? !!!!!! Without a cartoon, it will definitely not fly.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 3 May 2021 19: 06
    +3
    I do not want to continue, no one has yet canceled the article on extremism. He remembered Magnitogorsk, well, must!
    Can you come and dig up my garden for food?
    More precisely - for workdays, what kind of food is gorgeous and take away the passport, not fick, give a gorgeous opportunity to leave !? laughing
    1. Single-n
      Single-n 4 May 2021 19: 42
      0
      Do you work now for hours and hours? In accounting, you do not set "workdays"? And your pension is not accrued in conditional points? Maybe you can at least read what a workday on a collective farm is and how it was paid.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 3 May 2021 20: 45
    0
    for food the peasants lived - and the collective farms by nature received a harvest and profit + workdays.
    and the workers earned very well.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 May 2021 08: 41
    +16
    in the near future we will not have an orbital station.
    - in the near future we will not have lunar flights.
    - in the near future, we will not have exploration of other planets.
    - in the near future, Russia will lose all
    But in Russia there is a government that has no analogues in the world.!
    1. letinant
      letinant 3 May 2021 09: 23
      -12%
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjheyFlG2dU

      Here gentlemen, follow the link and take a look. I understand your goal is to create negativity around the news and feed on this negativity. You used to be called "ENERGY VAMPIRES" now "HYIPAGE". For me, do not call you, your essence is the same. You need a negative. I do not agree with the conclusions of the article, the author, as usual, went through the tops and that's it. But Skomarokhov is known for that. But there are thinking people among you, right? Check information from different sources and different authors. As for China, I can say that they use Yuzhmash technologies (Ukraine). These are far from lunar programs and it is not tricky to throw a satellite on the moon. Another question is to launch the crew and, most importantly, to bring it back.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: letinant
        Here gentlemen, follow the link and take a look. I understand your goal is to create negativity around the news and feed on this negativity ....

        We will, we will do it, it will be done soon, etc. Aren't you tired of it yourself? You'd better give a reference directly to Solovyov, there is even more "truthful" information. Today we are "losing" space to both the Americans and the Chinese. Who is next? India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia? What else will Nigeria catch up with? Where are Russian developments? Well, you can't endlessly modernize the Soviet legacy.
      2. aglet
        aglet 3 May 2021 09: 58
        +7
        "follow the link and see"
        went over and looked, cartoons, as always, are great. footage of the docking of NASA and ISS is also nothing, but it is clearly said that manned astronautics have no tasks in Earth orbit, well, except for India and China. but why do we need a new "world" to fence, 50 years ago? even on new technologies (if we buy from China)?
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 3 May 2021 10: 18
        +9
        go
        I’ll go crazy. It's good that there are captions, otherwise it is not clear what language he speaks. Why advertise a Chinese space station. Or for you, the Chinese are older brothers. It is as if it is being built well, but there was "Yaroslavna's cry", it would be better if it were not for the sanctions. But at first you were proud that everything is under construction and everything is there. But the most important question is where are the people? Where are those who build, what is the salary, how they rest, how are they treated
      4. Cosm22
        Cosm22 3 May 2021 10: 23
        +10
        The author walked to the top?
        So go down to the bottom. At least thesis. Indicate Russia's overwhelming success in space over the past quarter century. Enlighten us fools.
        If a satellite is to be thrown to the moon is a simple matter, why hasn't Russia done it yet? But is he only struggling to implement it? And if he succeeds, will he give him out for his outstanding achievement?
        Nobody in the world except China has done automatic docking-undocking in lunar orbit, do not talk nonsense.
        Space technologies of Yuzhmash, Russia or the United States are based on the same principles of jet propulsion. It is important to be able to use them. What is important is the desire to create modern launch vehicles, spacecraft and other spacecraft based on these principles.
        A desire that today is completely absent from Russia.
        1. letinant
          letinant 3 May 2021 11: 47
          -3
          Not respected HAYPOZHORI, most likely you work as locksmiths, study lawyers, repair cars and have nothing to do with space. But that's all, you have one thing in common, you are always happy to pour feces on your country, and you yourself never even come a meter closer to the spacecraft (they will not be allowed). Do you know why it is believed that the United States and China have advanced astronautics. Because they WILL NEVER FOOT IN THEIR COUNTRY, NEVER. Their apparatus exploded, they say "the path to the stars is thorny, we will build nothing yet and we will not be mistaken," but from us they "plundered, forgotten how, stupid." There are more than a dozen modifications of Soyuz spacecraft, they are no longer what they were in the Soviet Union. More modern devices are on the way (only cats get married quickly), you probably do not watch live broadcasts of launches from Baikanur and Vostochny, RT constantly broadcasts them live, but they are always happy to get shit. Elon Musk, broke several devices and says that everything is fine, they took off. And all the maskophiles, "hurray we will soon be on Mars" and no one remembered that the purpose of the test was the landing of the ship and it explodes, hence the tests failed. But you are already on Mars. We will have this, the stench will be until the moon. And now I am showing you what is happening with us and I am a bad, Putinist, etc. Are you showing me American cartoons and I have to blur with you in affection? Fuck your country? Well, I do not!!! I move around the country a lot and see how it changes, I see how my city and my region have changed. How people got their jobs. And I will live in my country, in which not everything is good, but it can, and you live in yours and turn black with anger. One smart man said: "You criticize, suggest. Suggest to do it." But this is not about you, because you just ...
          PS I will not answer, do not try, just ignore. You are not interesting for me.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 11: 53
            -9
            Here are the correct WORDS.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 May 2021 12: 01
            +9
            "Elon Musk, broke several devices" ///
            ---
            Smashed several prototypes the latest apparatus.

            And his serial rockets fly like a Swiss watch, two a month.
            Launched about 1500 communication satellites (and not small ones), and, at the same time, astronauts to the station
            threw it up and took it away.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 3 May 2021 20: 30
              +7
              But a couple of years ago, we laughed at Musk here. Well, did you laugh?
            2. Sarboz
              Sarboz 4 May 2021 15: 02
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "Elon Musk, broke several devices" ///
              Launched about 1500 communication satellites

              Add that during the launch of this heap of satellites at least 45 were destroyed for one reason or another, that is, de-orbited and burned in the dense layers of the atmosphere. Moreover, according to various estimates, about 45 launched satellites (3%) are already out of order. In total, Musk is going to place 42000 Starlink satellites in orbit. And they will inevitably fail, lose contact with the control center. 3% is 1260 kinetic bombs of 250 kg each. Musk himself considers a 1% failure of satellites quite acceptable. But besides him, there are still plans to launch a network of tens of thousands of OneWeb and Amazon satellites. The uncontrolled growth of space launches by private companies and especially the rivalry between them will inevitably lead to disaster.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 May 2021 15: 23
                +5
                ". 3% is 1260 kinetic bombs of 250 kg." ///
                ----
                SpaceX provides that in the event of the launch (or withdrawal) of a satellite
                it goes out of order with the help of the engine from orbit into the low layers of the atmosphere
                and is guaranteed to burn out. A special supply of fuel is kept for this.
                1. Sarboz
                  Sarboz 4 May 2021 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  SpaceX provides that in the event of the launch (or withdrawal) of a satellite
                  it goes out of order with the help of the engine from orbit into the low layers of the atmosphere
                  and is guaranteed to burn out.

                  It's not exactly what you are trying to imagine. Elon Musk acknowledged that the Starlink mini-satellites can maneuver in space using an ion drive to de-orbit and burn up in the atmosphere. But if the communication system or engines fail, StarLink will not be able to automatically do this and will become a kinetic bomb that flies at high speeds and can cause a disaster. Elon Musk's company reassures only that "idle satellites will naturally go out of orbit and burn up in the atmosphere if their engines fail." This process can take five years. And it is naive to believe that the probability of collision is negligible. In September 2019, SpaceX ignored a request from the European Space Agency to change the orbit of the StarLink satellite to avoid collisions with the ESA satellite. Those had to make evasive maneuvers themselves. What will happen when Ilona Masks throw tens of thousands of spacecraft into near space?
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 4 May 2021 16: 52
                    +2
                    "What will happen when Ilona Masks throw dozens of near space
                    thousand devices "////
                    ----
                    OneWeb, whose satellites are launched into orbit by Roskosmos rockets,
                    creates exactly the same system, only smaller.
                    Bezos will have another such group for Amazon.
                    Another one will be at the Pentagon.
                    What to do - a new era is coming in the history of near space.
                    The number of satellites will increase a hundredfold in 20 years.
                  2. Sarboz
                    Sarboz 4 May 2021 22: 09
                    -1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    What to do - a new era is coming in the history of near space.
                    The number of satellites will increase a hundredfold in 20 years.

                    The problem is not even in the rate of growth of the number of satellites in near-earth orbits as such. The problem is the appearance of a huge number of cheap, not very reliable private satellites. What to do with these giant private networks in the event of, say, an operator's bankruptcy? I have already given an example of SpaceX's responsible behavior in this regard. Elon Musk explained his inaction in response to the ESA request by errors in the communication system. Like "e-mail failed, your letters got into spam". negative request
                    A private trader cares about immediate profits, security problems are always in the background for him. The death of astronauts, by and large, is also not a priority, the responsibility for their lives is insured, so worries. Therefore, Musk considers all tests with the explosion of the returning stage SUCCESSFUL.
                  3. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 4 May 2021 23: 25
                    0
                    Who does not take risks, does not drink champagne.
                    The cosmonautics of the mid-20th century was extremely dangerous,
                    EVERYTHING new, who cared?
                    Musk rushed forward like a tank, overtook everyone, and now they are trying to stop him
                    false concern about the environment, then about safety.
                    "Ah, if it goes bankrupt, ah the capitalist is a radish."
                    Now catch up ...

                    "cheap, unreliable private satellites." ///
                    ----
                    which operate in orbits much longer
                    expensive state-owned Roscosmos. smile
                    The Mask satellites are manufactured on a conveyor line at 120 per month (for two launches). Standardization always improves quality. Single, manual assembly leads to rejects more often
                  4. Sarboz
                    Sarboz 5 May 2021 00: 54
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Musk rushed forward like a tank, overtook everyone, and now they are trying to stop him
                    false concern about the environment, then about safety.
                    "Ah, if it goes bankrupt, ah the capitalist is a radish."
                    Now catch up ...

                    Complete nonsense. Only its internal competitors Blue Origin and Dynetics are trying to stop the Mask. They accuse him of unfair competition during the tender. I think that their accusations are not groundless. Honestly winning a tender is not as easy as it seems. They are still trying to dump. You can get a decent loss at the first lunar launches, hoping to recoup all this a hundredfold from the following contracts. But Musk clearly overdid it here. A picture is often published here to show what a great fellow Elon is. There is his giant to the left and two midgets from Blue Origin and Dynetics to the right. So this picture actually illustrates his unfair competition. If competitors prove that this is dumping, there will be problems. And not a shift in time to the right, but problems.
                    And what security. The scheme is perfect. Hypothetically, let's say the astronauts die. NASA has nothing to do with it. The patriotism of the average American does not suffer. And Musk is insured against everything.
                    It's also useless for us to catch up with Mask. He is a clear leader in financial bubbles. The capitalization of his companies leaps ahead of real value. This is normal for America. The only question is when the bubble will burst ... The mortgage market was also said to be reliable and stable. Have you heard his parables about flights to Mars? What is it about? How about what? He's preparing another one, a Martian bubble. He needs new shareholders. The resources of SpaceX and Tesla have long been lacking.
                  5. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 5 May 2021 01: 00
                    +2
                    Outsider envy of the champion. And nothing else.
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 3 May 2021 13: 57
    +9
    You are even more uninteresting to me. But how can such an emotional speech be ignored?
    Let's take it apart.
    1. When a hurray-patriot understands the difference between "pouring feces on his country" and an objective assessment of the real situation in Russian space exploration, he may be shocked. The only pity is that this will never happen. For he is not accustomed to think and analyze. It is more comfortable for him to stick his head in the sand like an ostrich, and to all comments loudly declare "we are fine, beautiful marquise!"
    2. That's the trouble. In this very top ten modifications of the Union. For there is nothing else behind the soul. Nothing! I repeat: the great space power actually has only one type of carrier - Soyuz-2. Several Protons will leave under previously signed contracts, conversion launches are sporadic and scanty. Everything! There is nothing else! Impressive? And there is nothing else. And it won't. For the only thing that the Republic of Kazakhstan can and wants to do is paint on the next letters to the indices of the royal "seven" and the Glushko LPRE. Endlessly "modernizing" and "modifying" them.
    3. What is it that flies there from Baikonur and Vostochny? Union, or what? So he flew from Baikonur more than half a century ago. To be proud of this? What other new modern devices are there? Reincarnated Zenith (sorry, Soyuz-5), which still needs to be done? Amur-LNG, which is not even in FKP? Angara? The only case in the history of world cosmonautics when a new rocket is worse in all respects than the old one? Or a plywood-plastic Eagle-Federation? Or a bundle, for which there is not even a concept yet, and over whose image Russian academics are still racking their brains?
    4. Musk did not crash several devices, but prototypes. Those. unfinished products are specially designed to be blown up and smashed to collect information and texture. For this, Musk makes them to be broken. And it will continue to break. Until it succeeds. For it is easier for him to break several prototypes than to make a huge test bench, on which it will still not work to simulate the situation with the second stage pirouettes in the air. In addition, Musk is making a completely new spacecraft, which no one has ever done before. And it does not use the developments of its predecessors, like others (we will not point our finger at them). And these prototypes really take off successfully. Landing problem? So Musk solves it exactly. With the head and hands of his team, and not stupidly sitting on someone's legacy (again, we will not point a finger at anyone).
    5. Continue to live in the illusory world of television. It's so much calmer. You don't need to think. No need to analyze. You just need to admire the achievements of Roscosmos. And consider yourself a true patriot of Russia. But can a person who does not notice its problems be considered a patriot of Russia? A moot point ...
    1. letinant
      letinant 3 May 2021 16: 32
      -7
      Quote: Cosm22
      1. When a hurray-patriot understands the difference between "pouring feces on his country" and an objective assessment of the real situation in Russian space exploration, he may be shocked. The only pity is that this will never happen. For he is not accustomed to think and analyze. It is more comfortable for him to stick his head in the sand like an ostrich, and to all comments loudly declare "we are fine, beautiful marquise!"

      Where is your objectivity? Chatting and saying "it's all gone" is an awesome objectivity!
      2. That's the trouble. In this very top ten modifications of the Union. For there is nothing else behind the soul. Nothing! I repeat: the great space power actually has only one type of carrier - Soyuz-2. Several Protons will leave under previously signed contracts, conversion launches are sporadic and scanty. Everything! There is nothing else! Impressive? And there is nothing else. And it won't. For the only thing that the Republic of Kazakhstan can and wants to do is paint on the next letters to the indices of the royal "seven" and the Glushko LPRE. Endlessly "modernizing" and "modifying" them.

      Soyuz has been flying for nine years and has been delivering foreign astronauts, oh excuse me astronauts. Extreme modifications reach the ISS in 3 hours. American dragon in 3 days and this is the minimum for him. And you probably want a new rocket every year, and even so that the panels are beautiful, multi-colored light bulbs, etc. Korolev drove such craftsmen, read the memoirs of engineers who worked with Korolev. For him, the main thing is LIFE OF THE CREW and this can be achieved only with a maximum of 10% of innovations. Therefore, whatever one may say, all modern missiles are the good old "Soyuz".
      3. What is it that flies there from Baikonur and Vostochny? Union, or what? So he flew from Baikonur more than half a century ago. To be proud of this? What other new modern devices are there? Reincarnated Zenith (sorry, Soyuz-5), which still needs to be done? Amur-LNG, which is not even in FKP? Angara? The only case in the history of world cosmonautics when a new rocket is worse in all respects than the old one? Or a plywood-plastic Eagle-Federation? Or a bundle, for which there is not even a concept yet, and over whose image Russian academics are still racking their brains?

      Do not want to, do not be proud. At each start, say: "again the old stuff flew." You like these thoughts. Not that we were monopolists in flights to the ISS for 9 years, but that we fly from Baikonur and on alliances.
      4. Musk did not crash several devices, but prototypes. Those. unfinished products are specially designed to be blown up and smashed to collect information and texture. For this, Musk makes them to be broken. And it will continue to break. Until it succeeds. For it is easier for him to break several prototypes than to make a huge test bench, on which it will still not work to simulate the situation with the second stage pirouettes in the air. In addition, Musk is making a completely new spacecraft, which no one has ever done before. And it does not use the developments of its predecessors, like others (we will not point our finger at them). And these prototypes really take off successfully. Landing problem? So Musk solves it exactly. With the head and hands of his team, and not stupidly sitting on someone's legacy (again, we will not point a finger at anyone).

      That is, in your opinion, each prototype of an aircraft should crash upon landing to collect information on how to land? Any design bureau will send you with such requests to a well-known address. KB works for the result and not the number of broken prototypes. Provided, as you say, that he has a proven Falcon-9 system on which the landing has been worked out. Do you feel no cognitive dissonance in his actions?
      5. Continue to live in the illusory world of television. It's so much calmer. You don't need to think. No need to analyze. You just need to admire the achievements of Roscosmos. And consider yourself a true patriot of Russia. But can a person who does not notice its problems be considered a patriot of Russia? A moot point ...

      Look, there is only negative in your text. No proposals, no projects, you just blamed the country, the leadership, academics are not like that for you. I said that I do not like everything in my country, but I try to look objectively and see what still needs to be done and that at the moment it is enough.
      Will you please propose a design for a spacecraft or a new rocket engine, create a new node for a rocket or a module for a lunar base. And hait other people's work is not worthy of a locksmith, because whoever, if not a locksmith, knows that not always everything works out the first time.

      I wish you good health and hope to see your SPACE VEHICLE project soon, which will take our astronauts to the moon. I understood from your texts that you have such a project.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 3 May 2021 17: 19
        +1
        1. Saying "everything is lost" and pointing out obvious shortcomings, poking your nose in them are two different things. It is a pity that you have not grown to understand them.
        2. In addition to the two-turn circuit, the RC cannot find any more successes? Only this "achievement" has to be pushed from branch to branch? I'm tired of answering these arguments. The practical benefit of such a docking is zero. Fuel economy is zero. Energy savings are not taken into account at all, because the ship is then charged in orbit anyway. The launch time is narrowly limited by the requirements of ballistics.
        3. Believe me, I know a lot more jingoistic patriots about the activities of the Queen. Do you want to compete in knowledge?
        4. Doesn't reach the person ... Let's try again. What does the plane and the Falcon have to do with it? The F9 has a propulsive landing of the FIRST stage. In excellence. That is why Musk has not yet experimented with the booster. He immediately took to the SECOND stage, which will return with the second cosmic speed. Those. for the most difficult stage. For something that no one else has ever done. On the ground, in bench conditions, it is impossible to reproduce such a flight and aerodynamic braking with rudders with pirouettes. That's why Musk makes prototypes. Is it hard to understand? Even cheers for the patriot?
        5. The project was proposed long ago. This is Amur-LNG. As for the engines, everything has been clear for a long time - you need a small, lightweight, extremely simple and cheap engine. A clip of such will provide the possibility of hot backup, which will create the prerequisites for reusability. Everything has long been known not only to me, but also to respected academics. But the problem is that all this needs to be done. Not with your tongue, but with your head and hands. But we cannot do this. And we don't want to. Alas.
        6. If I develop a lunar project, maybe the salaries of academicians should be paid to me? I'm not against. But then why do academics themselves receive money today?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 37
      -2
      And an objective assessment of the real situation This is not an objective situation - this is a whining syrup, we are waiting for 2025 there it will be possible to summarize and on the Soyuz 5 on the Vostochny cosmodrome, the launch of the first ROSS module, missions of stations to the moon of Orel flights to the same UV Spectrum, etc.
      And yes, Zenith has 13,7 tons for LEO, Union 5 has 17,4 tons for LEO - so it is not a reincarnation of Zenith.
      Angara? The only case in the history of world cosmonautics when a new rocket is worse in all respects than the old one? By what parameters it is worse than the Proton M in terms of fuel - no, it may not be modular in terms of carrying capacity - the Proton M is generally not a modular rocket, and at the Angara, how the technology of the recoverable first stages will work out, it will be possible to replace the first stages with reusable ones, and the production can be significantly reduced by using additive manufacturing methods components.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 3 May 2021 17: 49
        +1
        If you like to live permanently in the future tense, it is the master's business. I can still understand Rogozin and RK. They are supposed to be promised according to their status. 2025 ... 2030 ... And there, you see, the donkey will die (sorry, the honorable pension will come). From me, they say, bribes will be smooth, and let the next effective manager clean up the brewed porridge. Why do you need this?
        They forgot to add a nuclear tug to conquer Alpha Centauri and lunar bases to the piled-up Ross-eagles-spectra. In terms of implementation time, all these products and structures will be of the same age.
        Union-5. We will brag about the PN conclusion when the product is released at least on the LCI. There are no other differences between Zenith and the fifth Union. The body of the Union is slightly longer, it is slightly larger in diameter. The RD-171 engine was replaced by RD-171MV, RD-120 by RD-0124M. A little more PN (while theoretical). Except for one thing - Zenith has flown a lot and successfully, and the Union still needs to be done. So we have the reincarnation of the purest water, whatever the RK sang there. By the way, the weight perfection of the Soyuz-5 is no better than the Zenith one; it also needs an overclocking device in some cases.
        Proton is better than Angara at least for the price. And on the VBR. For although there were accidents, but not on a critical scale. But we still have to evaluate the VBR Angara.
        Forget about the returnable first feet of the Angara. This will never happen. In principle, it is impossible to make a reusable first stage on the Russian rocket engine line. Due to their size and throttling parameters. And nobody canceled the principle of hot reservation.
        Neither adaptive methods (did they really decide to compete with the Spaces with the culture of production?), Nor the mythical series will reduce the price of the Angara. It can only increase with the installation of a hydrogen generator at the third stage.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 3 May 2021 19: 25
      0
      1. When a hurray-patriot understands the difference between "pouring feces on his country" and an objective assessment of the real situation in Russian space exploration, he may be shocked. The only pity is that this will never happen. For he is not accustomed to think and analyze. It is more comfortable for him to stick his head in the sand like an ostrich, and to all comments loudly declare "we are fine, beautiful marquise!"

      Like this:
      That's the trouble. In this very top ten modifications of the Union. For there is nothing else behind the soul. Nothing! I repeat: the great space power actually flies only one type of carrier - Soyuz-2. Several Protons will leave under previously signed contracts, conversion launches are sporadic and scanty. Everything! There is nothing else! Impressive? And there is nothing else. And it won't. For the only thing that the Republic of Kazakhstan can and wants to do is paint on the next letters to the indices of the royal "seven" and rocket engine


      And this also applies to the points: 3/4/5 is also suitable ... and in general, these fragments from that film are understandable to many film (personal hope for this is the understanding of the honest public of the Brotherhood of VO), unfortunately very much in the subject of our common and in one big and beautiful country, with good and kind people and other things, only there are other things that are not very disagreeable!
    4. nemoXX
      nemoXX 4 May 2021 18: 14
      -4
      You said correctly! Patriotism and stupidity are not the same, although sometimes they are similar. And soviet pseudo-patriotism is a separate topic altogether. Because, he focuses not on love for his own, but on hatred for someone else. And since today's Russia is just a remnant of the USSR under the control of the remnant of the CPSU, trying to continue the old "great-power" policy (+ "getting up from its knees" by the Anschluss of its neighbors) with much less opportunities in a geopolitical impasse, the outcome of "space exploration" is extremely clear : guaranteed lag .... in everything, not just in space. USSR-91 is not the end, but only the beginning of the end.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 May 2021 15: 23
    +2
    most likely you work as locksmiths
    Why do you despise the workers, those who build rockets for you, so that Shuvalov would take his dogs to get a moon haircut.
    In general, your writings. suggests that you are under thirty. For example, we were proud of the Soviet Union. but yours came and broke everything
    1. letinant
      letinant 3 May 2021 15: 59
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      most likely you work as locksmiths
      Why do you despise the workers, those who build rockets for you, so that Shuvalov would take his dogs to get a moon haircut.
      In general, your writings. suggests that you are under thirty. For example, we were proud of the Soviet Union. but yours came and broke everything

      You FUCKED the USSR !!! IN THE DIRECT SENSE and NOW BE Proud of them !!! There is NO Soviet Union, if you are proud of it, increase its legacy. I respect people who can do something with their own hands. But I'm sure the plumber won't make a rocket. According to the monologue, it was they who gathered here. Cry about the Soviet Union and the collapsed technology. People are hired at the Vostochny cosmodrome, they are trained, but if I see you there, I’ll say you know something, but it’s empty. And there is no need to agitate me for the Soviet power.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 16: 53
        +5
        Quote: letinant
        People are hired at the Vostochny cosmodrome, they are trained, ....

        That they take everyone straight? Can you link to this attraction of unprecedented generosity? I remember how they with migrant workers and non-payment of their salaries lit up, no?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 3 May 2021 19: 35
          0
          I remember how they with migrant workers and non-payment of their salaries lit up, no?
          It was similar, in 2015, even from orbit one could see this unfortunate fact for Roscosmos, and not only by spy satellites ... request


  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 25
    -3
    Probably because there were problems with funding and were quite long, but with all this, Radioastron launched the Spectrum WG launched the same way Phobos Grunt was launched, albeit emergency as a result.
  • Martin
    Martin 4 May 2021 15: 37
    -3
    Quote: Cosm22
    Indicate Russia's overwhelming success in space over the past quarter century. Enlighten us fools.

    Do you need STUNNING successes? With fireworks, radio screams, banners? And just success with the methodical everyday work of specialists will not suit you? It is imperative that you do not do business, but compete with China and p-indos-tan, who has a more beautiful picture?
    Achievements of Russia in Space? Please: Russia has carried out 58 accident-free launches in a row. This is a record for 30 years. No, it was cooler in the Soviet Union, but none of the "partners" can boast of such a thing. They always have something “falling off”. This is such a record, purely working. It is called RELIABILITY. No fanfare, no candy. Just because the Mask needs to be promoted, all sorts of stuffed animals in the direction of Mars to launch (and at the same time to miss), to puff out cheeks, to promise hyperloops and so on, so on, so forth ... And moans-sobs about “everything disappeared in space, the Chinese have overtaken us” are not taken into account here. Meanwhile, Musk's "supercars" crash into trees on autopilot and kill their passengers. That would be someone to sympathize with.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 11: 24
    -2
    How is it different from any capitalist government? Just do not care about the people.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      How is it different from any capitalist government? Just do not care about the people.

      In your opinion, this makes it (the government) better?
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 11: 51
        -9
        Where is the correct, best government? With whom should we take an example?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 12: 14
          +5
          Quote: hhhhhhh
          Where is the correct, best government? With whom should we take an example?

          Since the first government of the USSR.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 12: 47
            -4
            Quote: aleksejkabanets

            Since the first government of the USSR.

            The one that is for the World Revolution?
            Or Khrushchev's government with Kosygin's reforms?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 12: 52
              +5
              Quote: hhhhhhh
              The one that is for the World Revolution?

              You should read more.
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 12: 54
                -2
                According to your books, on October 26, 1917, the Soviet government began to build socialism in a single country? Which book is it written in?
                In order not to waste time, I graduated from school in 1985, I read a lot of books.)))
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 14: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  I finished school in 1985, I read a lot of books.)))

                  Then you should know the year of formation of the USSR. You should also know the problems that faced the young Soviet state and understand that the "world revolution" was not among the priority tasks.))) Personally, I am not sure that such a task was set at all.
                2. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 15: 04
                  -8
                  So are the problems today? Decide on a new one? What problem was not solved then, why was it 1991?

                  "Personally, I'm not sure that such a task was ever posed." - why then did Trotsky and Co. fill up? His cause in the USA is winning today.
                3. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 15: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  Why then did Trotsky and Co. fill up? His cause in the USA is winning today.

                  Is the Trotsky case winning in the US? Did you think well?
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  What problem was not solved then, why was it 1991?

                  Shaw, again? Is Lenin to blame for what happened in 1991?
                4. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 3 May 2021 15: 17
                  -5
                  Reread Trotsky and you will understand what and where wins)))

                  He called himself a load, climb into the box, Lenin had to foresee everything.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 4 May 2021 16: 12
    0
    Ahahahahah. The government of the Russian Federation is the government of the capitalists, it is no different from others, only the positions are called differently and the names are different. And the principle of enrichment and appetite, no less.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 4 May 2021 12: 47
    -2
    10 pcs of Av with 100 Vs will not be

    Some on the forum claim that it is quite possible to build a catapult AV of 45-70 thousand tons every 5 years. request belay
  • ramzay21
    ramzay21 4 May 2021 18: 59
    +1
    China shot its demonstrators during the uprising in Beijing Square, and our demonstrators won and brought scammers to power. Therefore, the Chinese shoot corrupt officials, even the most senior, and our scammers who lead the country cannot fight themselves. That is why this is how it happens.
  • Nazar
    Nazar 3 May 2021 04: 24
    +33
    It is said that a person with an amputated arm or leg still feels pain in a no longer existing limb for a long time. The so-called "phantom pains". We no longer have our country (USSR), but only phantom pains for the past glory and strength of our Motherland.
    The Russian Federation is another country that is eating up the legacy of the USSR and nothing more. And the resource of the inheritance is already running out and so it was enough for 30 years.
    Degradation occurs not only in space, the same trouble in aircraft construction, shipbuilding and many other places.
    Is it a shame? - Yes, we who lived in the USSR are offended. However, only 20 years will pass and the current "tick-tokers" will not be bothered by this. The inhabitants of Zimbabwe are not at all worried that their country does not fly into space, With our current education, the efforts of all sorts of grefs, and we will soon be like in Zimbabwe. wassat
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 May 2021 05: 20
      +23
      Quote: Nazar
      "tick-tokers"

      Education: 6 years of YouTube and 2 years of Instagram .... The profession is 8th grade tick-turner! fellow
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 3 May 2021 05: 35
      +16
      Quote: Nazar
      Degradation occurs not only in space, the same trouble in aircraft construction, shipbuilding and many other places.

      It all started with the degradation of education. The Unified State Exam and the Bologna system did their job. Now Raphael and Michelangelo are turtles, Beethoven is a dog, and Chekhov's poems are asked in libraries. All this is superimposed on the problem of personnel, when not professionals are knocked out as managers, but effective managers. As a result, we have what we have.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 3 May 2021 05: 42
        +11
        Quote: Mikhail M
        It all started with the degradation of education.

        It all started with the desire of some to snatch at the expense of others, regardless of the consequences.
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        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 3 May 2021 06: 14
          +12
          Anything above: good
          Rare unanimity. Briefly and clearly.
          On the one hand, there seems to be a prospect, on the other hand, we are not really losing what we won in Soviet times - we have actually lost everything.

          (Here - in Russia,) We may have breakthrough technologies. We can create an automated production process. We can come up with a super-duper technique for any purpose ... We have no productive forces capable of providing this to the country. We have efficient speculators capable of cutting fat from a mosquito's nose.
      3. bar
        bar 3 May 2021 06: 12
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail M
        It all started with the degradation of education.

        It all started with the collapse of the USSR. Everything else is consequences
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 3 May 2021 06: 32
          +8
          Quote: bar
          It all started with the collapse of the USSR. Everything else is consequences

          the collapse of the USSR is a consequence.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 3 May 2021 09: 01
            -5
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            the collapse of the USSR is a consequence.

            Too deep thought.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 08: 22
      +9
      Stupidity about the new generation. Young people today are beautiful. The smartest young people. Thinking, developed, hard-working, open-minded!

      They are in modern Russia NOT NEEDED... The old, former Komsomol members, took over all the places. They don't need development, they don't need competition.

      So they are bringing them abroad, young guys. And "Western" employers squeak with delight. It is still necessary to find such smart and hardworking employees working for a penny. The locals know their worth.

      About tiktok. And think of something that millions are watching. Here from scratch. What tens of millions of people would watch and want more. No money, no producers, no hairy hand. On pure talent and hard work. Weak?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 May 2021 09: 06
        +6
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        About tiktok.

        So do we need Tiktokers or scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 09: 17
          +12
          Who should we? Personally, I need everyone. The country, I think, also needs everything. We need people who discover new things, create, treat, teach, repair, cook, build, entertain, delight, etc. Any honest work is valuable, important and necessary.
          There is no need for mediocrities, embezzlers, ignoramuses, idlers, incompetent people who make up 2/3 of the current government. Those who are afraid of competition, afraid of being replaced. Those whom she is afraid of leaving the country, these are the best. The best scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers. There is no place for the worst in a competitive environment.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 3 May 2021 10: 00
            +2
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Who do we need?

            To all progressive humanity.
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Mediocrity, embezzlers, ignoramuses, idlers, incompetent people are not needed

            That's a very difficult question. If they are still not extinct, then they are important for the ecosystem.
          2. aglet
            aglet 3 May 2021 10: 17
            -7
            "they are leaving the country, these are the best. The best scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers"
            and many of those who left, and there are the best scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers, or, all the taxi drivers, waiters, salesmen, or just the same ordinary doctors and teachers, only work for a long dollar?
            1. tatiana korzhenko
              tatiana korzhenko 3 May 2021 18: 33
              +2
              Many. Those very best scientists, engineers, doctors and teachers usually leave, thinking very well, and knowing what they can count on. Those who are serious about success and they have a head not only to have it, as a rule, succeed. And not only they - skilled workers, nurses, etc., achieve the same. And how can they be accused of lack of patriotism? And then even if they are "ordinary" doctors and teachers, then alas, they live there much better than being like that in Russia. This is what I see.
      2. aglet
        aglet 3 May 2021 10: 11
        -2
        "About tiktok. And think of what millions are watching"
        what for? what does this tiktok show so special that millions are watching? I didn't join it, I look at my feet, that's why I don't know, but if what Yandex.Zen is, this creator needs to be publicly burned (and broadcast on tiktok) laughing
        not everything that they forcefully push through us is equally useful, everywhere there are many of their own E
      3. Nazar
        Nazar 3 May 2021 11: 03
        +7
        OgnennyiKotik - Have you seen enough TV? At a construction site, I have to contact these "smartest young people" every day. The fact that they do not know anything even after university is half the trouble, the trouble is that they don’t want to know anything. And they don't want to work at all. We brought up a "shift", then we are surprised, but what are Uzbeks-Kyrgyz-Turks at our construction site?
        And about Tiktok ... - tens of millions of people in the world are on drugs, a very profitable business, and it also functions "on pure talent and diligence" - also ask, and not "weak" for me to do this?
        Maybe such "kreaklam" like you really need a country without engineers and workers, without peasants and scientists. But the country won't live on tiktokory for three days - who will work?
      4. Hypertension
        Hypertension 3 May 2021 12: 15
        +8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Young people today are beautiful. The smartest young people.

        Especially those millions that are subscribed to Morgenstern, Buzova and Instasamka. Geniuses, cho ...
      5. ccsr
        ccsr 3 May 2021 18: 01
        +4
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Young people today are beautiful. The smartest young people. Thinking, developed, hard-working, broad-minded!

        I would like to believe it, but yesterday I talked with a graduate of the Novorossiysk sailor, who is defending a diploma in logistics in a couple of months, and to my horror I realized that there is such a mess in his head that it is shocking what kind of specialist he is who has ideas about real life does not have. I hope that the master's degree will make him a more literate specialist after the bachelor's degree, but what is happening in his head causes concern in me - and this is a much greater danger to our society than the forced study of Marxism-Leninism in Soviet times.
    4. military_cat
      military_cat 3 May 2021 08: 34
      +23
      Tiktok, the Bologna process, the Unified State Exam, Gref, the collapse of the USSR ...

      Until the name of the person who has been ruling the country for more than 20 years appears in the comments, it means that the discussion has not even begun to understand the reasons for what is happening.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 09: 27
        +17
        Quote: military_cat
        Until the name of the person who has been ruling the country for more than 20 years appears in the comments, it means that the discussion has not even begun to understand the reasons for what is happening.

        The guilt of Putin and his autocratic power is obvious. It was they who destroyed the space industry. They don't need it. Space does not help to pump oil and gas, so it is not needed. The country is impoverished at an oil price of $ 67. He and his entourage are not effective and think about maintaining their power more than about developing the country.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 3 May 2021 09: 50
          +11
          Thank you, colleague. : 3
          To find now an effective way to somehow convey this idea to people for whom Putin is only responsible for greatness, and anyone (including, in all seriousness, tiktok) is to blame for the degradation of the economy, technology and industry, but not him.
          1. Sergey Pavlov
            Sergey Pavlov 3 May 2021 16: 36
            +2
            It is necessary to carry out reasoned propaganda work among friends and relatives, to involve them in political activity through the dissemination of information content in the same YouTube.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 55
            -10%
            Degradation of the economy, technology and industry. The first one is now very much dependent on the sales market, the more demand, the greater the growth of the economy, but now with all world demand and the economy, the problem is the same coronavirus, and Russia has trade restrictions since 2014, sticking in the wheels, all this scares away investors in our economy, plus a drop in prices for oil since 2014, our economy has been losing potential 200 350 billion dollars a year for 7 years - and no new president and government will change the sanctions in any case, no one will withdraw from Russia, but there is a program of investment in the economy of those who remained from foreign investors and from public funds until 2030, it is planned to invest more than 100 trillion rubles by 2033 on the military-industrial complex will spend 2033 will spend another 22 trillion rubles. And there is no degradation of technology and industry in Russia, all areas are developing, from materials science to hypersonic aerodynamics, thermonuclear energy and photonics, another 2024 billion rubles have been allocated for the development of microelectronics until 800.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 3 May 2021 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The guilt of Putin and his autocratic power is obvious. It was they who destroyed the space industry.

          They broke up, and we let them. They stood and looked at it. As cadets from St. Petersburg stood and watched as Caucasians beat their comrades.
          Every nation deserves its own government. The day before yesterday I saw how a group of young people, having drunk an energy drink or something else in the bank (it was far enough away, I did not see what exactly), threw this can into the flower beds that our grandmothers are ennobling in our yard. Putin must have ordered them ...
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 3 May 2021 14: 16
            +3
            Quote: Hyperion
            They stood and looked at it.

            We stood and watched the TV with nice pictures. Moreover, they not only stood and watched, but also dismissed those who said: "This will all end badly if you do not start saving the situation right now."
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 3 May 2021 18: 48
              +1
              Quote: military_cat
              Moreover, they not only stood and watched, but also dismissed those who said: "This will all end badly if you do not start saving the situation right now."

              Some stood and watched. Others stood and watched and spoke. The difference is small. Just someone stood silently, while someone shook the air for nothing. The result is one. For the best word is deed.
              There are few real violent - that is, there are no leaders. (from)
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 3 May 2021 20: 54
                -1
                Quote: Hyperion
                The difference is small.
                The difference is key. Regimes like the current Russian one (information autocracies) keep in power on the ability, through propaganda, to create an idea of ​​their effectiveness and competence among the population.

                Quote: Hyperion
                The result is one.
                The result is the same because it is the same for everyone, and not because all actions have the same value.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 3 May 2021 22: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Regimes like the current Russian one (information autocracies)

                  Whoa! This is the first time I've heard that. Information autocracy ...
                  Quote: military_cat
                  keep in power on the ability, through propaganda, to create among the population an idea of ​​their effectiveness and competence

                  The fact is that there is a certain part of the people who do not care about this efficiency and competence. If it is better than ukrov or in the 90s - it's already good. Their whole life is built under the slogan: "We did not live richly, there is nothing to start". And tell them, don't tell them - everything is God's dew. And the power rests not only on propaganda (and cheap and low-grade propaganda) ... The population stratified, and those who could do something (the police, the National Guard, the army) live more or less well compared to the rest. Well, this is a classic ...
                  Quote: military_cat
                  The result is the same because it is the same for everyone, and not because all actions have the same value.

                  Value determines the result. When steam moves pistons in a steam engine, movement occurs. And when the steam blows into the whistle ...
      2. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 3 May 2021 11: 28
        -3
        Quote: military_cat
        Tiktok, the Bologna process, the Unified State Exam, Gref, the collapse of the USSR ...

        Until the name of the person who has been ruling the country for more than 20 years appears in the comments, it means that the discussion has not even begun to understand the reasons for what is happening.

        Putin is Russia's key advantage. Not oil, not gas, namely Putin ©
    5. prior
      prior 3 May 2021 11: 53
      +3
      And note, the farther from the USSR, the stronger and stronger the phantom pains. Moreover, not only non-existent limbs hurt, but also all other remaining organs.
      What remains is general infection, sepsis and ....... Well, if nothing is changed.
      I'm not whining, I just see it clearly.
    6. Hypertension
      Hypertension 3 May 2021 11: 59
      -1
      Quote: Nazar
      With our current education, the efforts of any Gref, and we will soon be like in Zimbabwe.

      Or like in Zambia ...
    7. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 40
      -6
      "Degradation occurs not only in space, the same trouble in aircraft construction, shipbuilding and many other places." It only happens to those who do not fucking do anything.
    8. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 4 May 2021 16: 14
      +1
      Yes, probably Bulgarians, Germans, Rumans, Slovaks and others have already forgotten that there were cosmonauts in their countries and they flew into space. They were proud of them! Nothing and "we" will forget.
  • demiurg
    demiurg 3 May 2021 04: 27
    -17%
    Did you try to stretch your legs over your clothes? Where to get money for all this, and where to get so many trained specialists?

    There are now 145 million people in the Russian Federation. There are 125 million in Japan. And Japan is not even trying to become an independent space station. Or self-manned space.
    European Union, 600 million population. He does not have his own carrier for manned space.

    Another whine about the greatness of the former empire. Well, yes, Rogozin stole everything, or rather what Serdyukov did not manage to steal.

    All together try not to remember that all the best in the army and in space appeared with them.

    If people see only bad in something, it is called a toad crushes. The man puts himself in the place of the same Rogozin, and thinks what he would do in his place. And he writes his wet mriyas about the stolen billions. About the plant in Omsk for the production of the Angara, and about the fact that the Angara flew not a word.
    And the fact that Vostochny began to work too.

    The RF will not take out an Energy or Saturn level rocket. There will not be enough specialists physically. And not a single state with a comparable population will export.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 3 May 2021 05: 11
      -6
      But we are bringing English satellites into orbit with fanfare ... cabbies.
      1. bar
        bar 3 May 2021 06: 19
        +4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        But we are bringing English satellites into orbit with fanfare ...

        Do you propose to quit with this too? Wisely, cho ...
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 3 May 2021 09: 14
          +8
          Quote: bar
          Do you propose to quit with this too? Wisely, cho ...

          Better, of course, to mercilessly exploit the Soviet legacy. And when the resource multiplies to zero, blame the damned komunyak, the spiritless west, an unfavorable combination of stars for their bankruptcy, and close the JSC RF.
          1. demiurg
            demiurg 3 May 2021 11: 22
            -3
            What heritage, what resource?
            Without slogans, just tell us what is in the current Union FG or Union 2 from R-7 Korolev besides the concept?
            At the same time, tell us when and what resource will end. And then I have been hearing these speeches since the XNUMXs, when I first went online.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 3 May 2021 13: 00
              +1
              Quote: demiurg
              What heritage, what resource?

              All space and not only industry. With a production base, scientific schools, developments.
              Quote: demiurg
              And then I have been hearing these speeches since the XNUMXs, when I first went online.

              Do you understand if everything does not collapse tomorrow, this does not mean that destruction is not going on. You should remember that the negative processes in the USSR were gaining momentum long before 1991.
        2. Cosm22
          Cosm22 3 May 2021 09: 19
          -2
          It would be even wiser if you thought about your PN.
    2. Nazar
      Nazar 3 May 2021 05: 45
      +16
      demiurg (valera) - A strange question - "where to get money" - so "borrow" from the colonels, from the Cherkalins from the zakharchens, you can also "ask" the senators, such as the arashuk - there will be enough for space and a lot more for that.
      And there really is nowhere to take specialists, but who did it, can you tell me? Who successively appointed ministers to destroy education? All these Filippov-Fursenko-Lebanon, and the current one is no better. And now Gref has already reached education, what kind of rockets are there?
      Here is a quote from Academician Kapitsa:
      "The data of VTsIOM show that we have finally come to what we have been striving for all these 15 years, we have brought up the country of idiots. If Russia continues to follow the same course, then in ten years there will be no more of those who today, although would occasionally pick up a book. And we will get a country that will be easier to rule, from which it will be easier to suck natural resources. But this country has no future! " ...
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 3 May 2021 11: 34
        0
        In terms of cuts, we have not yet grown to the civilized countries of the level of England and the United States. We're not even close.
        And our senators for centuries have not yet inherited their posts as in the United States.
        The energy of the emnip was created by two hundred thousand people one way or another. And these two hundred thousand must not only be trained, but also pay a normal salary for 5-10 years.
        The younger Kapitsa can say anything. As a TV presenter, he is good. But he is far from his father. The old are always dissatisfied with the youth
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 4 May 2021 02: 42
          +2
          demiurg - the quotes that you brought here just show that not stupid people in other Greece, other Egypt, Babylon foresaw where everything would come. All these countries have lost their former greatness and have practically disappeared from the historical stage. Rome suffered the same fate, the decay and degradation of the "late" Romans led to the collapse of the empire. hi
          One could say that this is historically inevitable, but only for thousands of years there has been such a country as China! Well, the Chinese do not want to lose their country as we did. They rolled their "creative" youth in their time with tanks on the asphalt, as a result, where is China now and where are we? request
      2. Vasia
        Vasia 3 May 2021 13: 57
        -6
        so you can "borrow" from the colonels, from the Cherkalins from the zakharchens, you can also "ask" senators, such as the arashuk - there will be enough for space and there is still a lot left for that.

        So the state is doing this. Otherwise you wouldn't know about these colonels and senators.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 May 2021 06: 18
      +17
      Quote: demiurg
      The RF will not take out an Energy or Saturn level rocket. There will not be enough specialists physically. And not a single state with a comparable population will export.

      The Russian Federation will not take out more than a hundred billionaires and 190 millionaires. There will not be enough population, no taxes collected, no capital withdrawn through offshores, or profits that are not subject to a progressive tax. No state with a comparable population lives like this. The population does not allow this.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 3 May 2021 11: 41
        -6
        Among these billionaires, for example, Kaspersky, and many other talented people.
        Correctly do what they deduce. It is not profitable to invest private money in the Russian Federation. Nobody invests in Greenland or Northwest Canada. And in the Sahara niochin investments are flowing. I have given enough guidance on why. And offshore companies do not live only at the expense of Russia.
        Offers to take away and divide? I am ready to head a commission that will decide which capital is acquired illegally and which is not. Gold place. Have you already read the correspondence between Engels and Kautsky?
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    5. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 3 May 2021 08: 22
      -12%
      It should be added that 2/3 of the bubble in space is American, while they do not make 2/3 of all launches, and in 19 they were inferior to us. A typical article by Skomorokhov.
    6. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 May 2021 08: 56
      +6
      All together try not to remember that all the best in the army and in space appeared with them.
      I sincerely wish you a hundred minuses.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 3 May 2021 12: 02
        -4
        I also like you very much.

        It was necessary to leave the chiefs of the Ministry of Defense of the generals brought up in the USSR.
        It's so great to fight with Georgia on T-62 and BMP-2, with communication via mobile phones. And bomb with cast iron without aerial reconnaissance. Although there were shortcomings, the soldiers did not go into the bayonet with chains.
    7. Cosm22
      Cosm22 3 May 2021 09: 12
      +12
      "All together try not to remember that all the best in the army and in space appeared with them"?
      What appeared in space under Rogozin?
      We will leave the fables about lunar bases and nuclear tugs alone, they are stuck in our teeth.
      What exactly has Rogozin brought into the space development direction of the country? Nothing.
      The article is not bad. I point out the deplorable state of Russian cosmonautics in each of my comments.
      It's catastrophic. If Russia just walked along the space path in the wrong direction, it’s half the trouble. You can always see where most people are going and turn in the right direction.
      The real trouble is that Russia is not going anywhere at all, it is stupidly marking time, exploiting the Soviet legacy. And this is a disastrous strategy. Yes, the USSR has left a powerful space reserve. So powerful that, hypothetically, one could really do nothing, but just collect the cream forever, rubbing the pens. On one condition - if all other countries did not develop. But, unlike us, alas, they do not stand still.
      The United States should not be taken into account, we will never catch up with them. Not even NASA, but a single private owner with its Falcon 9 Block 5, Falcon Heavy, manned and cargo Dragon, Merlin 1D + and Raptor engines.
      But China! Which we used to make fun of, mentioning the useless Chinese quality at the slightest pretext! Possessing incommensurably smaller launch capabilities and not having such a space legacy as Russia, China easily left it overboard. In a matter of years. He successfully flies a heavy carrier, he methodically began to master the Moon, and he managed to do in lunar orbit what no one had ever done in the world, he began not with language, but in fact to build his OS.
      Why is that?
      I will leave aside socialism, capitalism and other "isms". I won't even mention the lack of money. There is money in Russia too. Only for some reason not in the RK, but in private pockets, and in excess. And the Russian segment of the Forbes list for some reason only grows every year.
      This is not the real reason for the stagnation of Russian space.
      The priorities are incorrectly indicated.
      Firstly, one should not engage in endless "modernization" of Glushko's economy, but make new engines. Smaller, less massive, less complex and less expensive. With an eye on installation in the reusable first stage. Make methane engines, hydrogen ones. I am not impressed by the vigorous reports of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the next tests and burns of products that have no analogues in the world. Ostap Ibrahimovich said in such cases: "the chances are increasing, but there are still no diamonds."
      Secondly, it is necessary to radically revise the approach to the selection of a promising launch vehicle. After all, the right direction has emerged - Amur-LNG. Why not develop it, and not drag the useless Angara or Soyuz-5 by the ears, which is not competitive already at the EP stage?
      Thirdly, it is necessary, finally, to decide at least with the concept of superheavy. It's time.
      But who will do all this? Rogozin?
      Under Rogozin, Russia will fly on the modified royal "seven" forever. And sit forever on the RD-170/180/191 ruler.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 3 May 2021 11: 58
        -5
        Under Rogozin, Angara moved. Flew. Under him, a plant was built in Omsk. Vostochny was built. The project may not be the best, but that may be the case. The very idea of ​​modularity is sound. Finally, they shut down the Proton. Or Proton, with its accident rate and heptyl, would you also refer to the achievements of the USSR?
        Musk probably made a new engine in a week, from scratch. By oneself. And no one gave him any groundwork, and neither did the engineers. The guys from the street just came, laid a healthy sheet of Whatman paper and drew Merlin right away.
        Over the past ten years, there are already about five of these new directions. One is more beautiful than the other on paper. Just give me money.
        Why do you need superheavy? Besides the Moon, it is not needed at all. These are billions of dollars, tens of billions that have gone nowhere. Here I agree with Rogozin. For a tenth of these billions, it is necessary to create modular ships. It's just cheaper and more correct.
        We will fly as long as there is no carrier on the planet with such reliability.
        1. Anton Kirov
          Anton Kirov 3 May 2021 13: 00
          -1
          Aylon is a genius who quite by accident found Müller, who just, in his garage, created Merlin, who was just right for the Falcon! If someone thinks differently, then from black envy!
        2. Cosm22
          Cosm22 3 May 2021 15: 13
          +7
          1. Was Vostochny built?
          Do not confuse anything?
          Eastern or only one UK on it? Moreover, the least laborious? Under the Soyuz-2? Those. whipped up what was easiest, just to report to the top and at least for a while to stay in his chair. Is it okay that the SC under the Angara is still in the embryonic stage? Under the freight, I specify. For the project for the manned version has already ordered a long life? And nothing, that like there were promises to build something under Cupid? But so far there is no documentation for the project yet? Does the promised cryogenic and hydrogen infrastructure have it?
          East was built, you say? Oh well...
          2. Are the proton indicators not an achievement of the USSR? Let me remind you that Proton pulled out almost all of the USSR and Russian launches on the GSO. Now, by the way, this market segment with the death of Protons is lost for us. By the way, without Protons and manned Russian cosmonautics today there would be no, let's not forget how and on whose hump our segment of the ISS was built. Heptil? The time was like that. Emergency? There was a case. But let's not forget that Angara has no FBG at all. As they say, we'll take a look. Everything is ahead.
          3. Musk made not one engine, but two. Unique. And not alone, yes. But that is the talent of a real leader and a competent manager to find the right people. People like Müller. To put together an excellent team on their basis and to voice ambitious tasks for him. By the way, what prevents Rogozin from following the same path? Oh yeah ... Not everyone should be Masks.
          4. Why do you need superheavy? The jester knows him ... Why do we need space at all? Maybe, well, him? We will only deal with our earthly affairs, their benefit is above the roof. And then they came up with - the Moon ... Mars ...
          But Tsiolkovsky, Tsander, Korolev, Glushko, von Braun, for some reason, did not think so. They were strange people ... It was a strange time ...
          1. Commissar77
            Commissar77 3 May 2021 23: 51
            +2
            Something suspicious is the absence of Rogozinsky press attaché Slipped in this thread with his glamorous pictures about Roscosmos. Out of funding? Or thumping for the holidays? He loved to talk to you so much ...
            1. Freemason Mason
              Freemason Mason 4 May 2021 00: 52
              +2
              He specializes in the News section. Fortunately, it hasn't looked into the Armament section yet. laughing
    8. Vasia
      Vasia 3 May 2021 13: 53
      -5
      Did you try to stretch your legs over your clothes?

      I support. And why now Russia projects in deep space is also not entirely clear. Throw in many billions, and what in return? As with the N-1, there were other projects. Until there are breakthrough solutions in fundamental science, which will make it possible to spend significantly less resources to put the load into space and move it in, all these projects of deep space are now completely unnecessary for Russia. There are enough practical tasks that need to be addressed. What have the deep space projects of recent years given to their implementers? By and large, nothing.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 3 May 2021 21: 13
        +1
        And why now Russia projects in deep space is also not entirely clear. Throw in many billions, and what in return?

        Why does Russia need the Olympics and World Cup? They also drove billions, but what did they get in return?
        1. Vasia
          Vasia 3 May 2021 21: 36
          +1
          Why does Russia need the Olympics and World Cup? They also drove billions, but what did they get in return?

          First of all, we received infrastructure (roads, hotels, world-class sports facilities), which will serve for many more years. But for a comparable amount to design, manufacture and launch a satellite somewhere in deep space with a complex research program, what will this give the country? Well, we will get the next portion of the data; in the foreseeable future, this data will not be able to be used in any way. It's just that billions go nowhere, when there are a lot of cases where they can be used with return at the moment.
    9. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 16: 58
      -4
      The Russian Federation will not take out a rocket of the Energy or Saturn level - These rockets are already morally and physically obsolete - without new materials and technical solutions, as well as production methods, the current trend is to reduce the cost of launch.
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  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 May 2021 05: 40
    +6
    I am wondering how they will extract minerals on the Moon, will they transport ore to the Earth, or will they build a mining and processing complex on the Moon? Or is it fantasy?
    1. bar
      bar 3 May 2021 06: 22
      -1
      Another mass insanity. As "green energy" combined with universal electromobilization.
      When the USSR organized space races with the United States, it was a struggle between the ideologies of socialism and capitalism. An attempt to prove which system is cooler. And they did not spare the dough for this sacred cause. Now what is the point of organizing races with the whole world with your pants up? Socialism with its ideology died along with the USSR, but these races have no practical meaning.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 3 May 2021 06: 34
        +3
        earthlings now need expansion outside the planet, just as the old world will expand to the new one.
        there will be no expansion, there will be a recession.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 3 May 2021 21: 16
        -2
        Now what's the point in organizing races

        And why, then, are all the advanced mills invested in space? Didn't you think? Then I will explain to you: to receive and develop the latest technologies.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 May 2021 06: 31
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Or is it fantasy?

      This is a chimera. yes
      The Apollo space program cost the United States 9 kg of gold. For all the time, the United States delivered 510 kg of lunar soil to Earth.
      Conclusion: even if the Moon were pure gold ...
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos 3 May 2021 21: 31
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The Apollo space program cost the United States 9 kg of gold

        were paid not in gold to some aliens (that is, even if they had paid, gold would not have disappeared from the planet Earth, it would have simply changed the owner) but with paper, which expresses concentrated labor.
        The result is human labor and time invested. We got progress. After all, with such success it was possible to make war on this "gold", to build something on Earth. Distribute to the starving in Africa and provoke another boom in the birth rate there (which would entail more hunger).
        But they invested in the general development of mankind.
        Your work for general development.
        And by the way, everything new is worth its weight in gold and even diamonds.
        They have long lost their value as an absolute value. Now technology is much more expensive than gold. Any thing in the house from electronics is the quintessence of all human progress. From materials science to electronics, etc. We have long been unable to repeat or even repair a modern thing with our own hands. Even tell how it works .. (try asking someone how a modern smartphone works)
        so if virtually one of us falls into the last century and beyond, we will not even be able to share technologies ... we cannot repeat the processes ourselves without modern technologies ...
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 3 May 2021 08: 20
      +17
      Or is it fantasy?


      These are distant plans. Well, right there everything is simple - if you do not build large ships, then America cannot be discovered. If you do not equip expeditions, where 30-40% disappear and do not return, and the rest return partially and empty-handed, then America cannot be opened. If you do not improve navigation, habitability, size, security, then sweets from America cannot be brought on a significant scale. But one day, when everything is done, those who do it will begin a golden age of 150-200 years.

      Long-term VOCs + landings + working with significantly more equipment / time on the moon = building blocks to the future.

      Second, the Moon is seen as a launching pad for complex, expensive, heavy AWS / manned missions beyond. And if they can make fuel from the resources of the moon, then this will open up new prospects by the 40-50s. Already now there are all sorts of crazy concepts, levels = we pack the mission to the takeoff and size limit and take it to the VOC, there a fuel module printed on 3D printers is fastened, refueling to full and forward, to Mars / distant planets.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 3 May 2021 12: 23
        +3
        The very idea of ​​trying to get out into deep space in chemistry is wrong. Even with the cost of delivery of goods as with air transportation, the idea will not take off. Even when launched from the moon.
        And a comparison with the age of niochin discovery. That is, we climb into space to take into slavery and destroy other civilizations? Plunder planets under the threat of cannons?
        If we want to safely fly at least to Venus and Mars in 40-50 years, we need to develop something like a space elevator and a nuclear rocket engine.
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 3 May 2021 12: 32
        0
        According to the results of the work, future astronauts who will land on the moon will receive a radiation dose 200 times higher than on Earth. It is equivalent to 1369 microsieverts per day, which is about 2,6 times the daily dose of radiation on the International Space Station (ISS). I think this is just a dream.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 3 May 2021 12: 55
          +8
          According to calculations in the 13-14 centuries, one ship out of 15 could cross the Atlantic. By the end of the 15th, one out of 7. However, in the 16th century in America there were already whole armadas and armies of Europeans.

          The daily dose on the ISS is still relatively within safety limits. And people calmly spend there for 140-180 days. The record is generally more than 400 days (not on the ISS, though).

          Right now, to the ISS, Novitsky, who flew to the ISS for 196 days, and in total for three flights will take 450 days to the ISS.

          And Peske, who also spent 196 days on the ISS at once and, taking into account the new mission, will approach 400.



          In general, there are no problems to fly to the moon on long missions with a landing in medicine, even with the current standards of protection and radiation. Unsolvable problems only with Mars.
          1. Black lotos
            Black lotos 3 May 2021 21: 40
            +2
            Quote: donavi49
            Unsolvable problems only with Mars

            as if there besides robots (well, symbolic - a human's foot has stepped, for show of development) there is no desire.
            But the moon as an object of study and construction of everyone is yes. You can train and get comfortable on it. And only then climb out further. Otherwise, we are human beings - we are always expanding on all fronts. And the protein form in space does not have much strength and resources.
            While the target is the Moon, and on the fronts - robots for information.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 17: 11
      -2
      With the help of the same robotic lunar machines equipped with the necessary equipment, the same reusable cargo capsules that will launch rockets from the ground and which will land on the lunar surface during loading take off and return with the extracted material of the same REM. All this can now be made rockets, there are materials, there are computers, there are special devices and equipment, the most important issue is financing.
  • Private SA
    Private SA 3 May 2021 06: 40
    +3
    The experience of operating the Skylab station will take into account something. This is Mir for a long time
    did not fall from orbit.
  • U-58
    U-58 3 May 2021 06: 59
    +8
    In the end, it's not about Rogozin, whom I also dislike.
    The matter is in financing, in the priorities of the state.
    And since our state is filled with oligarchs, financiers and other sharks of capitalism, then its priorities are: to sell everything and lick the cream off the cake into its completely private pockets.
    Where can we expect that from this turnover will stand out (come off) pieces that do not promise profit.
    That is, chronic underfunding of space is quite expected.
  • Kolin
    Kolin 3 May 2021 08: 03
    -10%
    New racing session from Skomorokhov.
  • 1536
    1536 3 May 2021 08: 16
    0
    How many space stations did Russia (Soviet, RF) have? 7! Seven stations (!) "Salyut" / "Almaz" have been launched into orbit since ... 1971. The Mir station, launched in 1986 (despite the "perestroika"), was de-orbited and flooded in the Pacific Ocean in 1997. 11 years in the Cosmos, even if it is close, is a lot. Russia immediately got involved in the creation of the ISS. The ISS with Russian scientific blocks is still functioning, despite the drilling of its walls by American unbalanced women.
    China launched the first manned station, Tiangong-1, only in 2011, and it was 2 times smaller than the Mir station. So how far does China lag behind Russia in the launch and operation of manned space stations in orbit? Simple arithmetic: 2011-1971 = 40.
    After the failures with Skylab, the Americans did not have and do not have any stations at all.
    Forty years of lag, which, of course, the Chinese are striving to overcome and, of course, will overcome if our young people run through the streets and call on the "messiah", instead of learning, learning and learning how to fly into space.
    As for the lack of money, we can recall that in the post-war USSR there was enough money for Space, because there was political will and an understanding that Russia is a state and NOT a territory for mining "from Europe, for example.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 08: 40
      +8
      Quote: 1536
      The Salyut / Almaz stations (!) were launched into orbit since ... 1971. The Mir station, launched in 1986 (despite the "perestroika"), was de-orbited and flooded in the Pacific Ocean in 1997.

      She was deorbited and sunk in the Pacific Ocean in 2001 year!
      Quote: 1536
      As for the lack of money, we can recall that in the post-war USSR there was enough money for Space,


      You can also remember that in the 90s there was enough money for space.
      Spectrum is an optical module of the Mir orbital complex. Launched May 20 1995 year.
      "Priroda" is a research module of the Mir orbital complex. Launched April 23 1996 years.
      The docking compartment is a module of the Mir orbital complex.
      Delivered into orbit by Shuttle Atlantis on 12 November 1995 during the STS-74 mission.

      Presidential decree RF dated January 6 1995 of the year "On the development of the QKD Angara»Work on the creation of the" Angara "missile system is defined as work of special state importance.
      Quote: 1536
      because there was a political will and an understanding that Russia is a state, and NOT a territory for mining, no matter how much different "bedding" from Europe, for example, would like it.

      Yes, I agree. Now there is no will. Even at the level of the 90s. That power built the world, the current one drowned it. That government launched the Angara project, the current one for 21 years could not send it to the series. The number of launches in the 90s is now equal.
      No money, but are you holding on? So they are, pouring into the country in a wide stream. You can't even compare with the 90s.
      1. 1536
        1536 3 May 2021 08: 45
        +7
        Yes, thanks for the clarification, dear, the Mir station was flooded in the Pacific Ocean on March 23, 2001. I apologize for the mistake made in my comment.
      2. aglet
        aglet 3 May 2021 10: 35
        0
        "There is no money, but are you holding on? So they are, pouring into the country in a wide stream"
        then they pour into the country, but settle in completely different pockets. If the USSR received all the money for the oil sold, then the Russian Federation only received taxes, and even then, not always, and not completely. well, yes, the stream is wide and deep
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 3 May 2021 12: 43
          +5
          Quote: aglet
          the USSR

          THE USSR!!!
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 3 May 2021 19: 56
            +2
            THE USSR!!!
            And that's right ... for those born in that country, not in this one, they will no longer understand how the carcass rises and takes a dignified position and tears in his eyes, with understanding ... here he is, and everyone else is already there ... , for all those born in that Great and Mighty: You can even without pluses, because this is OUR SACRED ???
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 May 2021 17: 19
          -4
          The USSR spent all the money from the sale of resources abroad on the purchase of equipment, materials and food from capitalist countries, in addition to the currency, it spent its gold reserves on it, and at the time of the economic crisis of the 80s, the USSR did not have any stash for a rainy day, and no one ever talked about it thought.
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 3 May 2021 09: 43
      +5
      Let's not count how far China has lagged behind, but let's see how far it has overtaken Russia today? And for how long? And you, for an hour, do not confuse the USSR with the Russian Federation? These are different states.
      And maybe it is appropriate to recall some historical facts? For example, remember that Korolev began work on the "seven" in May 1954? And the state of the PRC was only FORMED around this time - in October 1949? Is this a level playing field?
      And what do we have now?
      Does Russia have a heavy carrier, like in China? He's gone. Proton died, Angara is still on LKI and it is not known when it will leave them.
      In fact, only one carrier flies in Russia today - that same modified royal "seven". China has several launch vehicles in operation.
      Does Russia have a hydrogen plant?
      Can the Russian lunar program be compared with the Chinese one? At least in the first approximation?
      Has Russia already begun to build its OS, not just in words, but in deeds? How is China?
      Maybe it's enough to brag about the former successes of the USSR? And think about where the Russian cosmonautics is heading today?
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    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 May 2021 09: 13
      +5
      manned astronautics put in 2nd place


      For the catchphrase. However, there are some reasons, if we take manufacturability. Russia uses a Soviet orbiter, albeit a modernized one in terms of electronics. The new generation Federation / Eagle is an example of long-term construction and disbursement of funds.

      The Americans have 1 working orbital for 4 people (3 manned flights and 2 successful returns - this year 2 more flights = 1 to the ISS, 1 with tourists for 3 days). Another one (Starliner) was ill with outsourcing and sawing money under lobbying in a severe form, but probably this year they will do Demo1. Third lunar Orion. Next year the Shuttle from Sierra Nevada will fly (potentially manned, they have now just scored on the second version, so as not to disrupt the contract with NASA for 6 shuttles).


      The Chinese have already passed a Demo launch on the full profile of their new spacecraft. This is in the Eagle class - that is, with the ability to fly to the moon or long-term orbital missions. 6 people to orbit or 3 to the moon.



      At the end of the year, Gaganyan flies along the profile of an unmanned orbital demo. Indian step into outer space. Now, not only the crazy Hindu minibus will scatter the world record of debris in orbit, but humans will also fly. I wonder where they will dock on their ship? The Chinese station disappears. They will still catch the ISS even if the flight rolls off at 23 and even if at 24 (that is, they have + 2,5-3 years of reserve).
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 09: 36
      +3
      Quote: lazy
      on what basis did the author put China in the second place in manned space?

      The only country in the world that is capable of its rocket, своих astronauts, deliver to its space station. All other countries in the world have their own station, only plans, they have it in orbit.
      In a couple of months, China will be # 1 in manned space.
      Of course, you can sing a mantra, then they will start and see, but there are a couple of months left and there is no reason for a breakdown.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 3 May 2021 20: 03
        0
        In a couple of months, China will be # 1 in manned space.
        Chur you, colleague, well, how can you, before May 9 ???, write such things, maybe ... it will come up (ugh, it will cost ... sorry ...), well, there is the weather, migratory ducks, or in orbit, gloomy version: "Cosmos-2519" with "Cosmos-2499", the trosh will help, because our falcons fly - orbiting and quite successfully, or is it all gone, together with the polymers !? Without humor, with hope I wrote about the project: "Level" ???
    3. aglet
      aglet 3 May 2021 10: 41
      -2
      "I wonder on what basis the author put China in the second place in manned astronautics?"
      here you are right, ours are in fourth place, after China, which is in second, third, mask, unambiguously. well, and on the first, of course, rogozin. he has been sitting on Mars for a long time, waiting for the Americans to fly in to knock on them outside
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 May 2021 17: 25
        -4
        Our Unions are the most reliable manned spacecraft for the entire time of astronautics in terms of launches, and they will remain so for a very long time.
  • ont65
    ont65 3 May 2021 09: 02
    -7
    The space race seems to be over long ago, but in the minds it is going on and it seems there is no end to it. In fact, the Russian Federation is a different country in everything you take, and it is a mistake to approach it by the yardsticks of a bygone era. There is no need for fatalism. What? In the 24th Earth stop? The Americans have not had their own manned spacecraft for ten years and are not soaring. The meaning is clear, everything is lost and you need to kick someone. Not this way. Let them work as best they can, on what they have earned and invented, and we will see and evaluate. So far, we are just listening, there is nothing to evaluate in general, but the matter is not shaky - it’s not fast. Tantrums are not necessary, they are over the mound of hysteria. - Bad example of discussions.
  • S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 3 May 2021 10: 03
    +4
    There is no meaningful development program and a corresponding action plan for manned and unmanned astronautics. Raw material traders and bankers will never develop it, they don't need it.
    1. Just a Traveler
      Just a Traveler 4 May 2021 11: 04
      -1
      Why only bankers and merchants ...? I personally don't need her either. Why on earth would my taxes go to this crap without my asking ?!
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 3 May 2021 11: 15
    -6
    But where to get a trillion in the budget of Roscosmos

    From the Pension Fund. Finally, the reform must be completed.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 May 2021 12: 51
    +2
    Unfortunately, everything is so - it was worth doing your station immediately after MIR or a little later - for 20 years on the ISS they were engaged in experiments in microgravity and I think most of those that we can do on a hypothetical ROSS with the terms of its volume and funding - we have already done a long time ago. For more, we need a larger station, which is too tough for us economically - or we need to "punch" the extension of the ISS. Which, in principle, would be a much more reasonable strategy for us in the medium term.
    ROSS will devour all our lunar and nuclear towing resources, we will again move the timeline "to the right" on Phobos and other important projects in order to return, at best, to the "Peace" era, in the worst case, we will return to the era " Salutov ".
    Do not envy the Chinese - for them the era of "Peace" is not a passed stage, we have no special reason to share technologies with them, nor to hope for their funding - today we are friends with the PRC, tomorrow we may again have tobacco apart, as has already happened ..
    Perhaps there is a certain interest in cooperation with India in the creation and operation of an orbital station - India is our long-standing and more stable strategic partner, space is developing quite successfully and economically there, and the Indians themselves are not as fond of stealing other people's intellectual property as our cunning yellow-faced "like like allies. "

    At the same time, the thought that now we need a leap from space and a hold on some new horizons does not leave me - the Lunar Base is the same. We have been trampling the orbit for 40 years, we need to move on ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 17: 27
      +2
      We are waiting for the launch of the Lunar stations of the UV Spectrum Venus D telescope and a new unmanned spacecraft from NPO Molniya.
  • Anton Kirov
    Anton Kirov 3 May 2021 12: 55
    +1
    It is unclear, the author whines that we do not have a hydrogen launch vehicle like the Chinese, or a solid fuel-hydrogen one like SLS? Why didn't the author mention the Falcon 9 at all? Nuclear tug? What a trifle! Does the author know about what CrewDragon is? If he had to fly back and forth, would he prefer CrewDragon, or Soyuz? An author, a typical journalist who needs to write about something.
    We do not need the ISS, the Eagle, or the Moon. WHAT IS THERE TO DO? But we need an analogue of the Falcona 9. Let me remind journalists that this is the safest, cheapest rocket with the widest load range.
  • Synoid
    Synoid 3 May 2021 13: 07
    -1
    Strange article. Mournful song of the West and local liberals. The truncated is gone, the plaster is removed tomorrow. At the same time, the achievements of others (including the United States) are that they have learned to do what we began to do 30-40 years ago. Yes, objectively, funding has become less, we spend as much as we can afford. We are building a Baikonur-level cosmodrome at home, creating new engines, rockets and ships. And the number of launches must meet the needs, Roscosmos is a state institution and commercial launches are a secondary task.
    З
  • Anton Kirov
    Anton Kirov 3 May 2021 13: 12
    0
    Has Roman Skomorokhov heard that Crew Dragon does not land, but splashes down, and what is the risk? That after splashdown, explosive and toxic fuel remains in it.
    The fact that the ship's rescue system may explode, and if two adjacent engines fail, it will not work. About the fact that this entire system, with tanks and engines, with pipelines and valves, should be put into orbit, and then returned? Does the author know that Musk does not have a toilet, and how long does it take for astronauts to get to the ISS? How much is this ship worth? Is it reusable? And who helped the Chinese to create their first pepelats, the author knows?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 3 May 2021 15: 15
      +4
      Technology will always be fraught with danger, whatever. If you are afraid of technology, you should not use fire and live in a cave.
    2. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 3 May 2021 15: 41
      -4
      the author collects crap on no and writes, writes, writes ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 17: 30
      0
      Actually, Crew Dragon has a toilet and yes, this reusable ship is the same as the previous cargo Dragon.
  • Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 3 May 2021 15: 40
    0
    peace door ball!!!
  • ccsr
    ccsr 3 May 2021 17: 42
    -1
    Author:
    Roman Skomorokhov
    The question then is where the Chinese and the Americans will be in 10 years.

    Instead of a demagogic question, it would be better for the author to ask where WE will be in ten years, and whether the fate of the USSR will not overtake us if we again thoughtlessly try to catch up and overtake America.
    That is why I think it's time for some of our jingoistic patriots to go down to Earth, and take care of military space programs to protect the Fatherland, than mindlessly spend money on manned space exploration, including the development of very dubious projects.
    1. S. Viktorovich
      S. Viktorovich 3 May 2021 17: 51
      +1
      In the current conditions for manned space exploration, there should be at least one program, for example, the Moon, but worked out, provided with R&D and funding for 10-20 years. At the same time, there should be support from society, confident that this is not just another PR bullshit in Rogozin's style.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 3 May 2021 19: 35
    +1
    And now China has shown that it can cope on its own. Without assistance ...

    Well, I would argue with him, the "ears" of the Unions clearly stick out from the Changzheng series missiles.
    But they are catching up with leaps and bounds, you can't argue with that.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 May 2021 22: 59
      +6
      Where? It's quite difficult to find something from the Unions there.

      Some of the rockets are good old heptyl smokehouses. The efficiency is off scale, everything is simple, but the ecology, one should not think about ecology, although they think and refuse them. That is, nothing in common with the Union not in structure (well, let's not count boosters as common - almost everyone has them), not in terms of fuel vapor.


      The flagship heavy is generally hydrogen-powered (and the USSR / Russia is very bad friends with hydrogen) with liquid-propellant engine boosters. And there it is more likely that Arian should burn.


      The new generation of LM6 missiles and, in the future, the returned LM8, fly on an upgraded engine from Zenit (RD-120).


      Lungs are predominantly solid fuel.


      New generations, everything is complicated there. They already have 3 methane engines at the stage of firing tests, for example.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 3 May 2021 21: 11
    +1
    Alas, alas.
    If you remember that in the first promise of Roscosmos, even before Rogozinskaya, it was promised to reach the Moon in 2015, then ...

    Well, you understand. Soon elections Edra, then GDP, what kind of space is there ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 May 2021 21: 44
      0
      The economic crisis in 2008 thwarted all plans, including for space.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 4 May 2021 09: 15
        0
        There was a terrible crisis, yes.
        Oil peaked at $ 100, up from $ 20 in the 2000s.
        I broke everything.
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 3 May 2021 22: 06
    -2
    The most disgusting thing is that no one needs us anymore ... We have nothing that could interest anyone ...
    - Something Comrade Skomorokhov starts talking, comes in from the wrong end. Says as if we were extradited girls. Not "not needed" - disgusting, but the fact that our space industry does not provide what would be necessary and interesting to US, i.e. our society. The word "interesting" also means the worldwide novelty of the respective flights - it is not interesting to drag along at the end. If it were, then cooperation in space with other countries would also be possible, provided that we would not quarrel like Stakhanov with all the new ones almost every month.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 3 May 2021 22: 26
    +2
    ) the next benefit performance of the skomorokhov. whatever the topic, then another disaster. Skomorokhov as the chairperson of the village council of a dying village !!! that's where it all happens
  • fezm.fan
    fezm.fan 3 May 2021 22: 59
    +2
    The article is about nothing! Chef, everything is lost, everything is lost! The plaster is removed, the client leaves
  • Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 4 May 2021 10: 59
    +2
    The author, that you are to her God .... give everything to you at once.
    Give at least a new building for Roskosmos to build.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 4 May 2021 13: 52
    -3
    It seems that the Kremlin is only interested in the well. And everything else seems to be complicated, superfluous and unnecessary. Only the trade in raw materials and the army to protect the deposits. Just like in pre-war Syria.
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  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 May 2021 17: 57
    -3
    Quote: letinant
    Another question is to launch the crew and, most importantly, return it back.
    Reply

    Launched, returned.
    While Roskosmos, like migrants in Moscow, "taxied" bringing rich Merkans to the ISS, the Chinese were systematically moving towards their dream - their own orbital station.
    We will also hear from effective managers about another breakthrough: the Chinese have generously allowed Roscosmos to take shit out of their orbital station.
    Well, our state managers cannot look beyond the accounts in a foreign bank.
    At one time, one Partyagenosse ordered to close work on all projects that could not be implemented in 1,5-2 years.
    So we have no "exhaust" in $, so it will wait.
    Our new spaceport is, of course, built to override the entire system.
    And the rest is a northern fur-bearing animal.
  • looker-on
    looker-on Yesterday, 10: 26
    0
    Quote: letinant
    I move around the country a lot and see how it changes, I see how my city and my region have changed. How people got jobs

    Do we live in the same country? Are you writing about Russia? If so, take off your glasses and stop watching RT
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 Yesterday, 19: 34
    0
    We will not have a station or a heavy rocket either by 2030 or by 2035. You will see.
    On one long-term construction - the "Science" module, the station cannot be made. And the heavy rocket for the lunar program is not even in the blueprints.
  • Ilgizl
    Ilgizl Yesterday, 22: 54
    0
    It's sad. However, without a change of government and a different path, without a total embezzlement of the budget, it will be the same in all sectors.