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Combat use of EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft

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Combat use of EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft

Turboprop anti-guerrilla attack aircraft... Currently, the most common anti-guerrilla turboprop aircraft are products of the Brazilian company Embraer EMB-312 Tucano and EMB-314 Super Tucano. The EMB-314 Super Tucano aircraft was created on the basis of the EMB-312 Tucano and had the designation EMB-312H. The first flight of the prototype took place in 1991. Initially, it was supposed to increase engine power, install built-in weapons, and increase the flight range. At international arms exhibitions, the EMV-312N was advertised as a turboprop combat aircraft designed to combat light-engine aviation, helicopters and providing close air support. This modification had an elongated fuselage, a reinforced airframe, and a more powerful propulsion system. But in connection with the increased requirements of the customer, deeper changes were made to the Super Tucano design. The weight of the empty aircraft increased to 2420 kg, and the length increased by almost one and a half meters.



Turboprop aircraft EMB-312 Tucano and EMB-314 Super Tucano

According to the terms of reference issued by the Brazilian Air Force command, the new turboprop combat aircraft was supposed to have a long flight range and autonomy, the ability to operate day and night in any meteorological conditions, and the ability to be based on poorly prepared unpaved airfields with minimal maintenance. The service life of the EMB-314 Super Tucano glider has been increased to 14000 hours with the possibility of extending for another 4000 hours. On EMB-312, the assigned airframe resource is 8000 hours.

Serial production of the EMB-314 Super Tucano began in 2003. This machine differed from the earlier model with a new cockpit canopy, improved avionics using liquid crystal indicators and the ability to use night vision devices. In addition to inertial navigation systems, a satellite navigation receiver was introduced into the avionics. The cockpit and the most vulnerable structural elements are covered with Kevlar armor barriers that hold armor-piercing rifle bullets fired from a distance of 300 m. When operating in a strong air defense zone, it is possible to reinforce the sides of the cockpit with ceramic plates, but this reduces the combat load by about 200 kg. Frontal armored glass is able to withstand collisions with large birds at a speed of 500 km / h. The fuel tanks are sealed and filled with neutral gas. Crew rescue is provided by Martin Baker Mk 10 LCX ejection seats.

Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 A-68C 1600 hp engine provides in level flight a maximum speed of 590 km / h. Cruising speed - 508 km / h. The aircraft of the previous model, the EMB-312 Tucano, was powered by an EMB-312 750 hp powerplant. could reach a speed of 458 km / h. The aircraft is capable of staying in the air for more than 8 hours. Ferry flight range - 2500 km. Combat radius with a load of 1500 kg - 550 km. The normal takeoff weight is 2890 kg, and the maximum is 3210 kg. "Super Tucano" is able to operate in high temperature and humidity conditions, has good takeoff and landing characteristics, which allows it to be based on unpaved runways, limited in length.


Compared to the EMB-312 Tucano, the armament of the EMB-314 Super Tucano is significantly enhanced. The wing contains two 12,7 mm FN Herstal M3P machine guns with a rate of fire of 1100 rds / min. Ammunition - 200 rounds per barrel. There is also a suspension for a 20 mm GIAT M20A1 cannon and four containers with 7,62-12,7 mm machine guns. Weapons with a total mass of up to 1550 kg can be placed on five external nodes: NAR blocks, bombs and cassettes weighing up to 250 kg, guided weapons. For the use of guided weapons, a data display system was installed on the pilot's helmet, integrated into the equipment for controlling the means of destruction of the aircraft. The system is based on the MIL-STD-553B digital bus and operates according to the HOTAS (Hand On Throttle and Stick) standard.


Thanks to the introduction of the AIM-9L Sidewinder, MAA-1A Piranha and Python 4 air combat missiles, the Super Tucano is capable of conducting defensive air combat with jet fighters. The ability to combat helicopters and light aircraft has expanded. To counter missiles with heat guidance and jamming radar, there are automatic devices for shooting heat traps and dipole reflectors.

Due to its versatility, relatively low cost and low operating costs, the EMB-314 Super Tucano is by far the best-selling light turboprop combat aircraft. As of 2019, more than 250 Super Tucano have been delivered to customers. In 2009, a competition was announced in the United States for the supply of 100 light anti-guerrilla attack aircraft. In addition to the EMB-314 Super Tucano, the AT-6B Texan II, proposed by Hawker Beechcraft, participated in it.


AT-6B Texan II

The AT-6B Texan II light attack aircraft made its maiden flight on April 5, 2010. This vehicle is an armed modification of the two-seat T-6 Texan II trainer, which, in turn, is based on the Swiss Pilatus PC-9. The AT-6B Texan II is equipped with a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68D theater with a capacity of 1600 hp. The maximum flight speed is 580 km / h. Cruising speed - 426 km / h. Empty weight - 2671 kg. The maximum take-off weight is 4536 kg. Armament with a total weight of up to 1319 kg can be suspended on seven external nodes. The aircraft is equipped with an indicator against the background of the windshield, multifunctional displays and an electro-optical infrared camera L-3 Wescam Mx-15Di. It is provided for the installation of equipment for protection against IR and laser seeker of the UR of the "surface-to-air" and "air-to-air" classes, a warning system for radar exposure and an automatic device for shooting IR traps. The aircraft is equipped with an ALQ-213 electronic warfare system, an ARC-210 protected radio communication system, and digital data transmission equipment.


In 2012, the Super Tucano was declared the winner of the competition, but Hawker Beechcraft filed an appeal and the results were invalidated. However, repeated trials in 2013 confirmed the superiority of the EMB-314 Super Tucano, and the US Department of Defense signed an initial contract for the purchase of 20 aircraft worth $ 427 million. In addition to the turboprop attack aircraft, the purchase of consumables and spare parts was provided.

The main reason for the victory of the EMB-314 Super Tucano over the AT-6B Texan II, in addition to the lower purchase price, was the lower cost of operation and the greater payload weight. At the same time, the "Super Tucano" of the American assembly must be equipped with electronic equipment similar to that installed on the AT-6V Texan II. The possibility of night use and use of light high-precision ammunition is specially discussed, which should increase the strike potential of attack aircraft. At the same time, despite losing the competition announced by the US Air Force, Hawker Beechcraft, simultaneously with the sale of the T-6 Texan II TCB, is discussing the possibility of supplying AT-6Bs to Mexico and Argentina.


To facilitate Super Tucano's access to the market of the US allies, the American company Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) and Brazilian Embraer organized a joint production of turboprop aircraft. At the same time, the cost of one aircraft assembled at an enterprise in Jacksonville, Florida, in 2019 amounted to more than $ 18 million.Training of foreign pilots is carried out by instructors of the 81st Fighter Squadron of the US Air Force at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia.


Satellite image of Google Earth: A-29 Super Tucano aircraft at Moody airbase

In the American armed forces, the turboprop attack aircraft received the designation A-29 Super Tucano. Two modifications are known:

- A-29A: a single-seat aircraft, on which an additional 400 liter fuel tank is installed in the place of the second crew member. This aircraft is mainly intended for striking ground targets using unguided aviation ammunition, intercepting light aircraft, fighting helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles. According to Embraer, the single-seat A-29A with a search pod that detects thermal radiation, thanks to the increased flight range, has proven itself to be a night fighter when intercepting light smuggler aircraft;

- A-29V: a two-seater version, in which the weapon operator, using a suspended optoelectronic station and a side-looking radar, can search for air and ground targets in the dark. On this model, the possibilities for the use of high-precision ammunition are expanded. А-29В have proven themselves very well in military operations in Colombia and Afghanistan.


A-29A Super Tucano Brazilian Air Force

As of the second half of 2019, the A-29A and A-29B aircraft were purchased by Angola, Afghanistan, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Indonesia, Colombia, Lebanon, Mali, Mauritania, Nigeria, Senegal, Turkmenistan, Chile, Philippines. In addition, several A-29s are at the disposal of the US Air Force Special Operations Command.


A-29B Super Tucano Nigerian Air Force

As of 2019, about 200 EMB-314 Super Tucano attack aircraft have flown more than 150 hours, including 000 hours in combat missions. Due to their high maneuverability, low thermal signature and good survivability, the aircraft have proven themselves excellently during combat missions. Not a single turboprop attack aircraft is lost to anti-aircraft fire. However, in the combat zone "Super Tucano" does not always perform strike functions, they are often used as reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft.

Although the "Super Tucano" has been adopted by most of the operating countries relatively recently, this aircraft has already gained serious experience in combat use. The Brazilian Air Force received 99 aircraft with a total cost of $ 214,1 million: 33 single-seat A-29A and 66 double-seat A-29B.


A-29B Super Tucano Brazilian Air Force

Due to the presence of a second crew member, performing the duties of the weapons operator and observer pilot, the two-seater A-29B is optimal for use in operations where armed reconnaissance is carried out. At the same time, the "Super Tucano" was used as part of the Amazon control system SIVAM (Sistema para Vigilancia de Amazonas) in conjunction with other reconnaissance and attack aircraft.


On June 3, 2009, two Brazilian Air Force Super Tucanos, guided by the commands of the EMB-145 AEW & C AWACS, intercepted a Cessna U206G aircraft with illegal cargo from Bolivia in the Alta Floresta d'Este area. After warning bursts of 12,7-mm machine guns were fired at the Cessna course, the smugglers' plane landed at Cocoal airport. Two crew members tried to escape, but were detained by the police. On board there was 176 kg of concentrated coca paste, which was enough to make almost a ton of cocaine.

As part of the fight against criminal activity in the Amazon, Operation Agatha began on August 5, 2011. More than 3000 military and police officers took part in the operation, 35 aircraft and helicopters, and several armed boats were involved. Within 30 days, measures were taken to suppress illegal felling of valuable wood species, mining and trade in rare species of animals. The drug factories and storage sites were destroyed. The A-29 Super Tucano planes dropped 227-kg Mk 82 bombs to destroy the facilities of drug traffickers. At the same time, the search for targets and the guidance of attack aircraft to the target was carried out from Israeli-made Hermes 450 drones.

On September 15, 2011, Operation Agata 2 was launched on the border with Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay. During her "Super Tucano" destroyed three airfields in the jungle and, together with F-5E / EM fighters, intercepted 33 aircraft carrying drugs. Brazilian security forces managed to seize 62 tons of drugs, make more than 3000 arrests and seize more than 650 tons weapons and explosives.

On November 22, 2011, Brazil launched Operation Agata 3 in areas bordering Bolivia, Peru and Paraguay. It was attended by 6500 people with the support of 10 armed river vessels, 200 vehicles and armored vehicles, as well as 70 aircraft. "Agata-3" became the largest Brazilian special operation with the participation of the army, fleet and the Air Force to Combat Human Trafficking and Organized Crime in the Border Zone. In addition to the А-29А / В, combat aircraft AMX, F-5 Tiger II, AWACS EMB-145 AEW & C aircraft and UAVs took part in the operations. After the end of the special operations "Agata", a representative of the Brazilian Ministry of Defense said that as of the beginning of 2011, drugs were seized by 1319% more than in the previous six months.

Currently, the Super Tucano make regular patrol flights over hard-to-reach areas of Brazil. To improve the efficiency of patrolling, aircraft in most cases carry containers with reconnaissance equipment of American and French production. In 2014, it became known that part of the Brazilian A-29B used a compact side-looking radar capable of detecting groups of armed people and vehicles hidden under tree crowns. Of the 99 aircraft received by Força Aérea Brasileira, four were lost in flight accidents.

In 2005, Colombia signed a $ 234 million contract for the supply of 25 A-29B Super Tucano. All aircraft were received between December 2006 and June 2008. During the same period, the United States provided high-precision aircraft ammunition as part of military assistance.


A-29B Super Tucano of the Colombian Air Force

The first sortie of the Colombian Super Tucano took place on January 18, 2007. On this day, the A-29B squadron dropped 227-kg Mk 82 bombs at the positions of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). In 2008, during Operation Phoenix "Super Tucano", the Colombian Air Force, armed with laser-guided bombs Griffin, struck a target in Ecuador. At the same time, a group of militants was destroyed, among which was the deputy commander-in-chief of the FARC Raul Reyes. This event led to a diplomatic rift between the two countries.

On September 21, 2010, Operation Sodoma began, during which two A-29B squadrons dropped 7 tons of bombs on the FARC camp, where there were about 700 soldiers. After the airstrike, Colombian special forces landed from helicopters. As a result, the guerrillas retreated, leaving more than 20 dead in the camp, among whom were the leaders of the FARC movement. In October 2019, during Operation Darien in Choco Department, the crews of turboprop attack aircraft at night used infrared cameras to locate rebel groups and hit them with 70mm laser-guided missiles.

On October 15, 2011, the Colombian Armed Forces launched a major counterinsurgency Operation Odisseo. In addition to other combat aircraft, direct air support was provided by 18 Super Tucano, loaded with 113 and 227 kg of bombs. Five aircraft were used to deploy 500-pound adjustable bombs. At the end of 2011, the Colombian army managed to inflict heavy losses on the partisans. In Operation Odisseo, the leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, Alfonso Cano, was killed.

At dawn on February 22, 2012, A-29B dropped guided bombs on an FARC camp 15 kilometers north of Bojay, near the border with Panama. Operation Frontera killed six rebels, including Pedro Alfonso Alvarado (alias Mapanao), who was responsible for the 2002 Bojaya massacre, which killed 119 civilians.

In the early morning hours of March 21, 2012, during Operation Pharaoh, five Super Tucanos bombed the FARC base in Arauca, near the Venezuelan border, killing 33 rebels. Five days later, during Operation Armageddon, nine turboprop attack aircraft attacked a forward fortified guerrilla checkpoint in the Vista Hermos area. Within three minutes, thirty-six 227-kg bombs were dropped on the target. In this case, the attacked object was completely destroyed, 36 rebels were killed.


At the end of May 2012, six A-29Bs fired rockets at an Army of National Liberation (ELN) camp located in the vicinity of Santa Rosa in the Bolivar department. On May 31, 2012, seven militants were killed in a bombing raid on an ELN camp in a hard-to-reach area in the Choco Department.

On June 6, 2012, during a bombing raid on an FARC facility in the northern department of Antioquia, five Super Tucanos dropped 227kg bombs, killing 12 rebels.

In September 2012, turboprop attack aircraft identified militant targets and provided close air support during Operation Omega, in which more than 20 guerrillas were killed and four captured. Several commanders were among the dead. At the same time, the Colombian military intelligence believes that the rebels suffered heavy losses, but managed to bury a significant part of the fighters killed during the bombing.

The successful actions of government forces, supported by accurate and effective airstrikes of turboprop combat aircraft, led to the loss of the former position of the FARC and ELN, whose militants previously controlled about half of the country. As a result, the rebel leaders who survived announced their rejection of armed struggle and the beginning of negotiations with the government. In 2012, FARC representatives announced that one Super Tucano was shot down by anti-aircraft fire. However, during the examination of the wreckage of the aircraft, carried out by specialists from Fuerza Aérea de Colombia and representatives of the company Embraer, no combat damage was found.


Satellite image of Google Earth: T-27 Tucano and A-29B Super Tucano aircraft at Apiai airbase

Currently, the Colombian Air Force has 24 A-29B Super Tucano aircraft. Turboprop attack aircraft are deployed at three air bases and are used for patrol flights and intercepting drug trafficking.

In 2010, Embraer announced the fulfillment of a contract for the supply of eight A-29Bs to the Dominican Republic. The aircraft were intended for pilot training, internal security, border patrols and the fight against drug trafficking. Radar posts were deployed at the international airports of Las Americas and Punta Cana to monitor the country's airspace and target interceptors.


A-29B Super Tucano of the Dominican Republic Air Force

Shortly after the Dominican Super Tucano began to climb to intercept aircraft illegally entering the country's airspace, the number of air border violations fell by more than 80%. In May 2012, President of the Dominican Republic Leonel Fernandez ordered the military to deploy Super Tucano to fight drugs in Haiti.

The Ecuadorian Air Force has 2010 A-10B Super Tucano since May 29. Two squadrons are stationed at Manta Air Base in the west of the country. The planes of one squadron are used to improve the qualifications and maintain the flight skills of pilots, and the second is an assault squadron and is used to combat insurgents in the jungle. In this role, they replaced the extremely worn A-37 Dragonfly attack aircraft.


Satellite image of Google Earth: aircraft A-29B Super Tucano at Manta airbase

Currently "Super Tucano" are actively fighting in Afghanistan. In 2011, the A-29B Super Tucano light turboprop attack aircraft won the competition for a light combat aircraft, which was supposed to replace Russian-made combat helicopters in the Afghan Air Force. The funds for this were allocated by the American government. The cost of one A-29 is about $ 18 million.


A-29B Super Tucano Afghan Air Force

In December 2016, Afghanistan received 8 two-seat A-29B attack aircraft. In 2018, 20 aircraft were transferred to the Afghans. According to the reference data, at the beginning of 2020, the Afghan Air Force had 26 Super Tucanoes. Delivery of another 6 aircraft is expected in the near future. A-29B Super Tucano, assembled for the Afghan Air Force in Jacksonville, USA, are equipped with very advanced avionics and are superior in this respect to aircraft built in Brazil. To reduce vulnerability to anti-aircraft fire, the emphasis is on the use of guided weapons. The aircraft is equipped with avionics and information display equipment from the Israeli company Elbit Systems and sighting and search systems manufactured by Boeing Defense, Space & Security. When using guided munitions, the equipment for displaying data on the pilot's helmet, integrated into the combat control system of the aircraft, is used. The system is based on the MIL-STD-553B digital bus and operates according to the HOTAS (Hand On Throttle and Stick) standard. It is reported that part of the Afghan A-29V is equipped with an overhead radar, created by OrbiSat. The radar is capable of working on air and ground targets and detecting single mortar positions with a high probability. There are also inertial and satellite navigation systems and closed communications equipment on board.

The first combat missions of Afghan A-29Bs took place in early 2017. As new aircraft arrived and the flight and technical personnel mastered them, the intensity of combat missions increased. In the spring of 2017, the Super Tucano, striking the positions of the Taliban, flew up to 40 sorties a week.


According to information released by the Afghan Air Corps in July 2017, the turboprop attack aircraft carried out more than 2000 airstrikes without loss. They provided close air support to ground forces and destroyed militant facilities. In March 2018, the GBU-29 Paveway II corrected bomb was used for the first time from the Afghan A-58B Super Tucano against the Taliban positions.


Afghan A-29B Super Tucano with a GBU-58 Paveway II bomb guided

"Super Tucano" proved to be a good replacement for the Mi-35 helicopters. An important factor is that the A-29V, unlike helicopters, easily overcome mountain ranges, while carrying the maximum combat load. A significant advantage of turboprop attack aircraft is better fuel efficiency and a relatively low cost of a flight hour, which in 2016 was about $ 600. At the same time, the cost of a flight hour of the Mi-17V-5 transport and combat helicopter exceeded $ 1000, while for the Mi-35 it was close to $ 2000. Considering the fact that aviation fuel is delivered to Afghan air bases by military transport aircraft or road convoys, which must be accompanied by strong guards, fuel efficiency is very important. The preparation time of the Mi-35 for a second combat mission takes much longer than that of the Super Tucano. Separately, the A-29V's ability to operate successfully in the dark is noted, which was extremely problematic for the Afghan Mi-17V-5 and Mi-35.

Thus, the A-29V, with a similar or even higher combat effectiveness in the conditions of Afghanistan, turned out to be economically more profitable than a heavy attack helicopter.

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  1. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 28 October 2020 15: 11 New
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    A very decent airplane to drive partisans. Who has no decent air defense. It is due to the cheapness of the flight hour and decent weapons that it is in demand. Even in books about the populist, he fights in other universes on the side of the RF Ministry of Defense laughing
    1. Borik
      Borik 28 October 2020 15: 37 New
      12
      A good plane is beyond words, even in WWII, not every bomber had such a combat load of 1500kg.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 28 October 2020 16: 54 New
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      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      A very decent airplane to drive partisans.

      for partisans, any plane is decent ... an2 for example ...
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2020 15: 12 New
    +3
    As I can see from the described Toucans terrorized the rebels with complete absence of air defense.
    It is unclear how these rebels are fighting without even having Stingers and other MANPADS. what
    1. Bongo
      28 October 2020 15: 25 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      As I can see from the described Toucans terrorized the rebels with complete absence of air defense.
      It is unclear how these rebels are fighting without even having Stingers and other MANPADS. what

      I don't know what kind of VUS you have ... request But if you think that MANPADS is very easy to use and cheap air defense means, then you are greatly mistaken. No.
      "Stingers" and "Needles" do not roll on the road. In order for this weapon to remain in working condition, it needs consumables and periodic maintenance. In addition, for turboprop attack aircraft, it is not MANPADS that are much more dangerous, but 12,7-14,5 ZPUs.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 28 October 2020 15: 37 New
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        From 12,7-14,5 ZPUs in the jungle you can't run much ... the height of the Toucan's use just fits into the range of destruction of their MANPADS ... I think you can buy them if you have funds through dummy companies and people from states that are not under control USA ... for example Iran, North Korea, etc.
        1. Bongo
          28 October 2020 15: 43 New
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          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          With 12,7-14,5 ZPUs in the jungle, you can't run much ... the height of the Toucan's use just fits the range of destruction of their MANPADS ... I think you can buy them if you have funds through front companies and people from states that are not under US control ... for example Iran, North Korea, etc.

          Let's compare the weight of individual elements of PGI and MANPADS assembled?
          I wrote about the VUS for a reason. At one time I had a chance to study Strela-2M quite closely, and I have an idea of ​​the tactics of using and operating features of MANPADS.
          Please remind me which MANPADS are independently produced in Iran and the DPRK?
          Moreover, practice is the criterion of truth. Let's proceed from what is, not what may be. Even the Taliban do not have MANPADS, let alone the Colombian rebel movements.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 28 October 2020 15: 52 New
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            Even the Taliban do not have MANPADS, let alone the Colombian rebel movements.

            I agree ... supply channels under the control of interested countries and obtaining a working sample of MANPADS is an extremely difficult task.

            In the 1980s, the DPRK began mass production of the SA-7 portable air defense system

            http://factmil.com/publ/strana/kndr/oboronitelnyj_i_nastupatelnyj_raketnyj_potencial_severnoj_korei/64-1-0-59
            In 2012, Hezbollah received a batch of Igla-S MANPADS from Iran
            1. Bongo
              28 October 2020 15: 59 New
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              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I agree ... supply channels under the control of interested countries and obtaining a working sample of MANPADS is an extremely difficult task.

              One sample of MANPADS will do nothing, in regional conflicts out of 10 Strela-2M launches, only one hit the target, which, however, due to a weak warhead, did not always lead to its destruction.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              http://factmil.com/publ/strana/kndr/oboronitelnyj_i_nastupatelnyj_raketnyj_potencial_severnoj_korei/64-1-0-59

              The fact that the DPRK has set up the production of an analogue of the old Soviet MANPADS does not mean that Pyongyang is ready to supply this weapon to everyone and train specialists for this abroad. No.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              In 2012, Hezbollah received a batch of Igla-S MANPADS from Iran

              How many were in this party, and what were they shot down? Despite the fact that helicopters are a much easier target than the "Super Tucano".
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 28 October 2020 16: 06 New
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                I can recall the Turkish helicopter shot down by the Kurds ... where did they get Igla MANPADS from?
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 28 October 2020 16: 55 New
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                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Where did the Igla MANPADS come from?

                  were given the MTR RF for the downed SU24.
                2. Bongo
                  28 October 2020 23: 14 New
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                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  I can recall the Turkish helicopter shot down by the Kurds ... where did they get Igla MANPADS from?

                  This is a complex of Russian (Soviet) production seized from the warehouses of the Syrian army. Unfortunately, captured "Needles" in SAR were used not only against Turkish, but also against Russian helicopters. In fairness, it should be said that due to the higher flight speed and lower thermal signature, the vulnerability of turboprop attack aircraft is lower than that of combat helicopters.
                3. sg7s
                  sg7s 29 October 2020 10: 35 New
                  -3
                  I had such crap in a dugout in 88, inexpensive, at 20 thousand athos got up ... (mafon was 44 at that time, the lads won't let you lie)
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 28 October 2020 18: 57 New
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            Quote: Bongo
            Let's compare the weight of individual elements of PGI and MANPADS assembled?

            And what is there to compare if ZGU-1 and 6U6 were specially made for the possibility of transfer by calculation on foot... So what is it Portable anti-aircraft machine gun installations. smile
            1. Bongo
              28 October 2020 23: 16 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And what is there to compare, if ZGU-1 and 6U6 were specially made for the possibility of transferring on foot. So these are portable anti-aircraft machine gun installations.

              Thats exactly what I mean. yes Colleague Alexei argued that ZPU is more difficult to transfer than MANPADS.
          3. hohol95
            hohol95 29 October 2020 11: 55 New
            +5
            Even the Taliban do not have MANPADS, let alone the Colombian rebel movements.

            The Taliban are not funded by the US!
            And it does not supply the PRC!
            Have American soldiers encountered Italian plastic mines in Afghanistan?
            No "left" money - no instructors and modern weapons and supplies!
          4. sg7s
            sg7s 29 October 2020 12: 27 New
            -2
            at the point there was a double-barreled dshk (86-88 g, pandsher), I think that Zhenek would heap toucans for a dry ration (mountain-winter) about a dozen ...
            1. sg7s
              sg7s 29 October 2020 12: 33 New
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              I will add - 2100 m, the rose - up the mountain, the gorge - the width is about 5-7 km ...
            2. Bongo
              30 October 2020 03: 33 New
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              Quote: sg7s
              at the point there was a double-barreled dshk (86-88 g, pandsher), I think that Zhenek would heap toucans for a dry ration (mountain-winter) about a dozen ...

              Double-barreled DShK? wassat Are you raving?
          5. CTABEP
            CTABEP 31 October 2020 20: 31 New
            +6
            Moreover, everyone forgets about the price. It's good when your friends from the USA / USSR supply you with dozens of them for the sake of "lofty goals", and when do you have to pay for it? Colombians can and can buy MANPADS through tenth hands - but this will cost a lot of money, for which you can buy a couple of dozen Chinese DShKM with ammunition and other things. And MANPADS can be used only against rare aircraft (and the same Super Tucano have a low thermal signature, and a full-fledged protection complex with IR traps and other things) and trained specialists, of which, I think, there are not too many there either.
      2. Mister X
        Mister X 29 October 2020 18: 18 New
        +3
        hi
        Operation Sodom, during which two squadrons of A-29B dropped 7 tons of bombs on the FARC camp
        Author: Linnik Sergey

        There is evidence: what bombs were used?
        1. Bongo
          30 October 2020 03: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Mister X
          There is evidence: what bombs were used?

          The controlled ones were applied precisely. To fight the rebels, the Americans provided Colombia with adjustable 227-kg bombs, guided Griffin missiles and 70-mm laser-guided missiles. However, the accuracy of bombing and free-fall bombs from the "Super Tucano" equipped with advanced sighting and search systems is very high.
      3. Mister X
        Mister X 29 October 2020 18: 19 New
        +3
        Within three minutes, thirty-six 227-kg bombs were dropped on the target. In this case, the attacked object was completely destroyed, 36 rebels were killed.
        Author: Linnik Sergey

        Operation "Pharaoh" = 36 killed rebels.
        Operation "Frontera" = 6 killed.
        Are these good performance indicators?
        1. Bongo
          30 October 2020 03: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: Mister X
          Operation "Pharaoh" = 36 killed rebels.
          Operation "Frontera" = 6 killed.
          Are these good performance indicators?

          Mikhail, the number of killed and wounded insurgents was probably more. One way or another, the Colombian "Super Tucano" played a very important role in the defeat and demoralization of leftist armed groups. Which eventually disbanded most of the armed formations and went to peace negotiations with the government.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 30 October 2020 13: 27 New
            +3
            In December 2016, Afghanistan received 8 double A-29Bs.
            In 2018, 20 aircraft were transferred to the Afghans.
            At the beginning of 2020, the Afghan Air Force had 26 Super Tucanos.
            Author: Linnik Sergey

            2 aircraft were lost?
            1. Bongo
              31 October 2020 01: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: Mister X
              2 aircraft were lost?

              Thank you, my considerate friend! This is my joint. repeat I should have written: "К In 2018, 20 aircraft were handed over to the Afghans. "
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 31 October 2020 09: 15 New
                +4
                Quote: Bongo
                Thank you, my considerate friend!

                hi
                Please, my talented friend!
                1. Bongo
                  31 October 2020 09: 33 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Mister X
                  Please, my talented friend!

                  You are clearly flattering me, in terms of the quality of the study of the material, I cannot be compared with you.
    2. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 29 October 2020 16: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      with complete absence of air defense.
      It is unclear how these rebels are fighting without even having Stingers and other MANPADS.

      Here are just similar light attack aircraft are actively used by the Saudis and their allies in Yemen (which just has MANPADS and some air defense systems).
  3. sergo1914
    sergo1914 28 October 2020 15: 28 New
    11
    A smart and beautiful machine turned out.
    1. Bongo
      28 October 2020 15: 31 New
      19
      Quote: sergo1914
      A smart and beautiful machine turned out.

      It is also inexpensive to operate and very effective. yes
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 28 October 2020 15: 38 New
        -4
        and very effective.

        If there is no opposition from the enemy ... and so using the experience of the Vietnamese, you can arrange for these Toucans to fall into the jungle.
        1. Bongo
          28 October 2020 15: 46 New
          15
          You probably forgot who supplied the Viet Nong with weapons and taught them to use them? Why not then remember Afghanistan in the second half of the 80s? Tie up with slogans, not solid No.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 28 October 2020 16: 13 New
            -1
            Tie up with slogans, not solid


            Well, you yourself advertise Toucans ... someone should put a fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey in your article ... about that Toucans ... Toucans ... super duper Toucans.
            It is necessary to approach the matter more critically ... sorry if it hurt you. hi
            1. novel66
              novel66 28 October 2020 16: 53 New
              +9
              combat helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles.

              that's what we should be interested in first of all
            2. Bongo
              28 October 2020 23: 27 New
              +8
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              It is necessary to approach the matter more critically ... sorry if it hurt you.

              Are you saying that I was not critical of the information gathering process in preparing this publication? No apology, your comments didn't bother me. smile
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Well, you yourself advertise Toucans ..

              In which place? Based on the facts stated, I just tried to make an analysis of the combat effectiveness of the "Super Tucano". If you have other information, please voice it.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              someone should put a fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey in your article ... oh then Toucans ... Toucans ... super duper Toucans.

              I to constructive criticism is positive, and glad when a person argues reasoned. In countries where "Super Tucano" are fighting against all sorts of insurgents, they have significantly surpassed combat helicopters in terms of cost-effectiveness. What are you trying to prove that turboprop attack aircraft are vulnerable to MANPADS? So helicopters are much more vulnerable to them, but no one is going to give up combat helicopters. In addition, portable complexes are not as easy to use and affordable as most of the common people think. Why do you think, after a few years, all the Stingers delivered to Afghanistan turned out to be inoperative?
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 11: 49 New
                0
                In addition, portable complexes are not so easy to use and are available as most of the inhabitants believe ........ here Vladimirovich, I disagree with you ... the RBS-70 MANPADS are not so simple, (heavy and requires rocket-operator bindings), Javelin (bulky and also requires rocket-operator bindings, Mistral 30 kg, but the Arrow, Igla, Verba line and their Chinese clones and Stinger are accessible easily and not forcedly (though with a stinger it is more difficult) goat herders and barefoot mercenaries whose education is not higher than 2 + 2
                1. Bongo
                  4 November 2020 03: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  In addition, portable systems are not so easy to use and are available as most of the townsfolk thinks ........ here Vladimirovich I disagree with you ... the RBS-70 MANPADS are not so simple,

                  Volodya, hello! Let's start with the fact that the RBS 70 is not a portable system, but actually transportable. If it is "carried", it is only during unloading from a vehicle for final assembly.
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  but the line of Arrow, Needle, Verba and their Chinese clones and Stinger is available easily and not forcedly

                  Where were you when we could communicate with you live? I do not know "Strela-2M" badly. Although this complex weighs less, and in some ways even primitive, it is not so easy to use. There are a number of serious restrictions on the vertical launch angle, the direction towards the sun, the direction of flight and target speed, and the operating time of the seeker. In real combat, no more than 10-15% of the missiles launched hit the target. How do you think why?
                  The same applies to more modern MANPADS. Operators for them must be thoroughly trained theoretically and practiced on the simulator. Otherwise, the firing efficiency will be low. In addition, all modern MANPADS are very demanding for maintenance. After each activation, even without launch, the complex is sent to the arsenal.
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 4 November 2020 12: 07 New
                    0
                    MANPADS are very demanding for maintenance. After each activation, even without launching, the complex is sent to the arsenal ... Seryoga hello ... on the topic ... yes. MANPADS are demanding for maintenance ... but ... in Vietnam, if there were arsenals where you can partially hold maintenance in Afghanistan, Chechnya and in the Donbass was completely absent, nevertheless, the losses of aviation from MANPADS fire in these regions were very significant, and yes, I forgot Ossetia ... that is, the partisans did not really need careful preparation and not really spent time on maintenance ....... and the article is credited
                    1. Bongo
                      4 November 2020 13: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      and the article is valid

                      Thank you friend! drinks
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      in Vietnam, if there were arsenals where it was possible to partially carry out maintenance, then in Afghanistan, Chechnya and the Donbass it was completely absent, nevertheless, the losses of aviation from MANPADS fire in these regions were very significant, and yes, I forgot Ossetia ... that is the guerrillas did not really need careful training and did not spend much time on maintenance ...

                      You piled everything up a bit. In Vietnam, Strela-2 / 2M was used, after switching on, it was necessary to change the power supplies on them, it is not as difficult as replacing a gas cylinder. In Afghanistan, virtually all Stingers are rotten two years after delivery. In Chechnya, MANPADS were used very limitedly, and did not have a particular impact on the actions of Russian aviation. In Ossetia "Needles" were used by Russian troops. By the way, most of our Su-25s were shot down by "friendly fire". As for the hostilities in the southeast of Ukraine, here you are my Crimean friend is wrong. "Needles" there were recharged and serviced in mobile workshops on the basis of KAMAZ.
            3. sg7s
              sg7s 29 October 2020 12: 38 New
              -3
              Supported! Italy and aviation .... Have you forgotten about the Yaki? I remember I chartered in Brussels in 94 for a couple of flights (420 bucks, terrible money at that time), pilot Aktobe and Yakovlevfoti - made a profit. (admission to 737 was)
            4. Mister X
              Mister X 29 October 2020 19: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Well, you yourself advertise Toucans

              hi
              Are you sure?
              For you, is there a difference between the terms "advertisement" and "article"? wink
            5. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 10: 58 New
              +3
              Well, you yourself advertise Toucans ......... well, this series of articles about anti-guerrilla aviation, I did not see any advertising ... well, clearly collected material ...
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 October 2020 19: 37 New
          +8
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          and so using the experience of the Vietnamese

          I'm afraid the "Vietnamese experience" won't help at all
          With modern detection systems, for which this jungle does not exist

          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          someone should throw a fly in the ointment into a barrel of honey in your article.

          This is not a spoon.
          Such aircraft have their disadvantages, for example, dependence on airfields ...
      2. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 28 October 2020 16: 06 New
        +2
        In fact, $ 18 million. for a light turboprop machine - it's expensive. Despite the fact that her booking is ridiculous.

        Russia, possessing a much more armed and protected Su-25, could intercept the ground attack aircraft market for third world countries, and how should it earn extra money from it.
        But apparently Rosoboronexport has no desire to organize such a business.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 28 October 2020 16: 58 New
          -3
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          could intercept the stormtrooper market for third world countries, and how to earn extra money on this.
          But apparently Rosoboronexport has no desire to organize such a business.

          nothing can be earned there ... otherwise they would have sold UBS YAK130 ...
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 28 October 2020 17: 07 New
            10
            The Yak-130, even in our press, has mostly unflattering assessments. And if you compare with foreign samples .... - but the topic of the article is not about that.
            Combat training aircraft are not attack aircraft at all. Their main task is to train flight personnel, not to hunt partisans. In a combat situation, such aircraft can be used only because of the complete absence of combat aviation.

            And the fact remains - in unstable countries they buy Toucans, not Su-25s. And obviously such supplies are not free, just as Russia supplies pseudo-allies on credit, and then forgives them.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 28 October 2020 17: 18 New
              -3
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              And if you compare with foreign samples ...

              give examples of foreign analogues, I will compare myself.
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              Combat training aircraft are not attack aircraft at all.

              and supertukano is not an attack aircraft !!!
              Sturmovik - an aircraft (aircraft, helicopter, UAV) related to assault aviation and designed to directly support the ground forces and naval forces of the armed forces of the world's states in battle, as well as for the targeted destruction of various land and sea targets (structures, weapons and military equipment ) ..... supertukano is not capable of this.
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              In a combat situation, such aircraft can only be used because of the complete absence of combat aviation.

              so supertukano is also used due to the complete lack of money.
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              just as Russia supplies pseudo-allies on credit and then forgives them.

              what should be done? do not supply?
              ps
              supertukano is an armed Yak152 .... why such an aircraft is needed by the RF Armed Forces?
              1. Bongo
                28 October 2020 23: 34 New
                +6
                Quote: NEOZ
                and supertukano is not an attack aircraft !!!

                Have you read the article carefully?
                Quote: NEOZ
                so supertukano is also used due to the complete lack of money.

                Do not confuse the lack of money with the ability to effectively manage it. No.
                Quote: NEOZ
                what should be done? do not supply?

                Do not forgive debts ... No.
                Quote: NEOZ
                Supertukano is an armed Yak152 ....

                Not really? wassat Let's compare the type and power of the Yak-152 m A-29V power plant, the combat load, the ability to carry guided weapons, avionics and security? These are absolutely different machines in terms of performance and purpose.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 29 October 2020 11: 36 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Have you read the article carefully?

                  in this case, you need to consider my comment in the context of the comment:
                  Quote: Bongo
                  And the fact remains - in unstable countries they buy Toucans, not Su-25s.

                  accordingly, my conclusion about the attack aircraft is based on comparing the supertukano with the SU25, where the supertukano in terms of performance characteristics is not a competitor to the SU25 at all.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Do not forgive debts ...

                  these debts would never be returned, why do you need them?
                2. sg7s
                  sg7s 29 October 2020 13: 19 New
                  -5
                  All for the grandmother ... What a toucan ??? What's this ? Is it worth this attention on a (possibly) reputable site? breakthrough - no, articles - carriage (Silvio will pay). Mother. marshallstopvara, wake up .... Who is connected with aviation, FACs, commanders, sniper, well, say your hard word - do not be silent! Well, emptiness ... Let's talk about the problems of the 57th, about the collisions of air combat development concepts ...
        2. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 31 October 2020 17: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          Russia, possessing a much more armed and protected Su-25, could intercept the ground attack aircraft market for third world countries

          Why should a country buy an attack aircraft designed to destroy tank columns "when it needs a cheap-to-operate" guerrilla hunter "?
        3. CTABEP
          CTABEP 31 October 2020 20: 35 New
          +4
          Will not work. The SU-25 is several times more expensive itself, and the cost of a flight hour is not an order of magnitude. With the above requirements for airfields, and with the range of WTO not very. These are planes for different purposes.
          1. LastPS
            LastPS 3 November 2020 19: 25 New
            +2
            As far as I know, new ones are not produced at all, and the bush one should be cheaper. Another thing is that the 25th car is very outdated. Yes, he is tenacious, but otherwise ... You look at the range of weapons and optical means of Tucano and are shocked, and then the cost of a flight hour comes across.
  4. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 28 October 2020 15: 36 New
    +6
    18 million is certainly a bit expensive, considering how much a real SU-35-type jet plane costs. I think the next development will be an emphasis on the destruction of drones. A ceiling of 10000m is normal for this purpose.
    $ 600 per hour operation is cheaper even than many large drones. The protection of convoys, guerrilla warfare with small arms is certainly more profitable, but for aircraft equipment there are many other tasks, and the same helicopters are much more functional for wars. In general, in this form, it will remain so to shoot down the planes of drug dealers, partisans in villages and jungles, but not in the army. A sort of police border plane.
  5. Mmm.
    Mmm. 28 October 2020 15: 41 New
    +7
    Why do we not have such an aircraft in service, if it is not worse than a helicopter in some cases and cheaper to operate?
    1. Bongo
      28 October 2020 15: 48 New
      16
      Quote: Mmm
      Why do we not have such an aircraft in service, if it is not worse than a helicopter in some cases and cheaper to operate?

      We traditionally prepared for a big war, and Mi-24 and Su-25 carry out anti-guerrilla missions. In addition, there is no suitable turboprop engine in our country.
      1. novel66
        novel66 28 October 2020 16: 54 New
        +6
        it's time, it's time to get busy! for
        combat helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles.

        important for us! Sergey, thank you! hi
        1. sg7s
          sg7s 29 October 2020 12: 49 New
          -9
          Eneraly-marshals topvar, you were in aviation when ??? Are you aware of that ... toucano ... Have you seen the PLANE? Did you manage it? Studied somehow somewhere in aviation specialties ??? And with a burning engine they sat down (with parachutists, 22 chela, no one even got a scratch) ... Mother so .. And in Karlovykh to zero on the radar ?? ... toucan ... In the course that the 25th is full of holes , and Messers already on the second Frederick had an SRD. and this is in the fall of 42? !! Be silent - gentlemen of field marshals! It's a shame ... Google will not always help (just now with the programmers of the Zhukovskaya pipe, such a dispute flared up, they agreed on a draw ...)
          1. novel66
            novel66 29 October 2020 12: 51 New
            +7
            a lot of text - little thought.
            1. sg7s
              sg7s 29 October 2020 13: 00 New
              -11 qualifying.
              More specifically, Field Marshal, what about the toucan? For, against, arguments? 5 hours of flight time in the second cabin I have, what do YOU ​​have ?? I report, the 130th (like all yaks) is much easier to learn, a lot of modules for upgrading (may my teachers forgive me), like all Yakovlevs (however, you cannot compare with Tupolevsky). Yes, M-ka take off in speed (thanks to NK), but the Phaplcones (viva la france) are more comfortable (I did not fly in Bombardier, but the namesake thinks that the 5th is higher (I will not give the indicators, you will find it.there is a matter of feelings. My grandfeld marshall ) e. A toucano - but such a toucano - an article under the loot ...
              1. novel66
                novel66 29 October 2020 13: 05 New
                +8
                a turboprop aircraft with an 8-hour loitering time and a lower speed is a priori more convenient in the fight against drones, apparently, the Americans are completely crazy, since they bought one for themselves.
                1. sg7s
                  sg7s 29 October 2020 21: 15 New
                  -9
                  Field Marshal, more facts ... "turboprop !," 8 hours of loitering and lower speed "- WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT? Cruise mode (1st, 2nd? Polar schedule ... 2nd kind) Huh? Grand General? Mother ... you about aviation, shut up, don’t stain shoulder straps .... People gave their lives for them, my junior sergeants under three combat, field marshall.
              2. sg7s
                sg7s 29 October 2020 21: 07 New
                -7
                I dump on the cons, what about? about aviation - here, only education and experience - forward, here you - not United Russia (a bunch of crooks, criminals, troeshniks). Plaque, class, tolerances (not Russian), pogutarim ...
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 22: 16 New
                  +8
                  You know, I'm with Roman66 I agree: a lot of emotions, little meaning.
                  Quote: sg7s
                  Plaque, class, tolerances (not Russian), pogutarim ...

                  And why did the Russian approvals not please you? AND not Russian admission is what and what? How much plaque is this for you? Is two enough or five at once?
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 23: 39 New
                    +9
                    And by the way
                    Quote: sg7s
                    tolerances (not Russian).

                    And what is your ELP? Maybe it doesn't make sense with you hoot if you have a fourth, for example, received in the Russian Federation
                  2. sg7s
                    sg7s 29 October 2020 23: 48 New
                    -7
                    The first - about the "admissions" - I come to the relay in Copenhagen - I charter - I earn (to the question of the competence of the United Russia party unfinished), for a couple of flights - 200-300 bucks with insurance). The second is the flight time - five (taking into account the Soviet 1.5 hours per flight, this is three times more than your computer attacks in charters). Third - even when the transaer was still alive (the woman was put on a kapets, and in 94 the aeroflet did not even come close to the transaer, so miserable people (I didn't care, I flew in Gazprom), and then even there was a principle - "one flies, the other carries a briefcase"), because there was nowhere to put the thieves ... There are a lot of fellows, but they are sensible - all are no longer in Russia, dosvidos, three heads, milk Russia, but the guys in YuVazia, China , Malaysia, Indonesia receive a quarter and do not worry about Russian vile realities ... For - they received education - SOVIET (SOVKOVO, as the current idiots say). There was a study - in Lufthansa, they spent 747 thousand dollars for a pilot for 45, in Aktobe - about a lemon ... ), say all this - he will immediately explain to you where and who ... Mine for two landings with a burning engine - no need, I will cripple ...
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 29 October 2020 23: 57 New
                      11
                      Cool water with cold water and calm down. Try your show-off in canteen Zhukovskaya show off, you can hardly surprise. Look at my avatar carefully. I have a permit to fly to Paro, will you have any more questions?
                      You will knock over the point and soberly assess the alignment - not solid. If you feel like a part, then behave accordingly, I hate to remind you of this
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                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 00: 11 New
                        +8
                        I don't read about aviation on google: my own experience and that of my elders, of which there are enough here. You should develop situation awareness: the golden issue of Armavir VVAUL and work without interruptions, take a look at the profile, it says it all; plaque is calculated in other orders, well, and ELP6. Arranges? In order not to apologize, you need to behave wisely.
                      3. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 00: 19 New
                        -7
                        Armavir - good, but have you heard anything about Aktyubinsk? Did you manage to learn something about the Civil Air Fleet and its traditions? Have you heard of civil aviation? Once again - plaque, types, experience? Mine - 40.42,154, F-900, gazpromavia, 7 thousand raids from 91 in the Civil Air Fleet, the Order of Lenin North Caucasus. Management GA. Avluga, red diploma. WHO ARE YOU ??
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 00: 27 New
                        +9
                        And you feel good, or you just rush forward ... well, I have a red diploma, only a destructive one, and a raid in other orders. Where do you even know Paro? ELP?
                      5. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 00: 34 New
                        -7
                        No fighters, I have listed my types, purely GVF, pinstr, 2nd class. All Europians are in admission, I have not heard the data ... steam is what? I don't know .... enlighten!
                      6. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 00: 46 New
                        +9
                        I honestly don't understand what you want to prove. If you want to consider yourself cool - Allah will help you. The raid - I have much more, probably the instructor too, basically everything is jet-powered. ELP6 do you understand what it means? Paro - google it, you will like it, and if you find a clip, this is my back of the head. Calm down, this is more acceptable. Especially when a civilized person talks about the peculiarities of using attack aircraft - there are people here who are probably sleeping now, but they understand much more in the application - you will not like it. Stop and talk calmly, everyone will feel better
                      7. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 01: 35 New
                        -7
                        Yes, everything is calm. I assure you ... In the castrup, what are the exit lanes? in cyprus where to go? Where do we come to heathrow? What is your airplane - I don't know ... You are our fighter - calm down, there is civil aviation, apparently, you are not familiar with it, I sympathize ... You are even with Comrade. Do you know black people? (so, lads, we do not prompt) ... Eroflot, we are not laughing, there are such characters ... Vitalich, and you said - the community ... I'll type later ...
                      8. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 01: 41 New
                        +9
                        And you are funny, but not funny anymore. In EKCH 22/04 L / R and 30/12, can I tell you about the construction of the bridge too? If you don't know what ELP is, don't tell anyone that you are flying to Europe. English Level Proficiency. Full house
                      9. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 01: 46 New
                        -6
                        Long time not flying anywhere, what bridge? I've been investing for ten years, but on what types? Answer !! fighter? Anschlag-manshlag, types, airline, we will immediately find mutual acquaintances (Muskwa is a small town), where, who ?? Empty words ....
                      10. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 01: 48 New
                        -6
                        Who is the director, at least some clue? Are you even a pilot? Or are you just fooling me? Light, and you say, all the FACs are smart ...
                      11. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 02: 08 New
                        +8
                        Do you even read what is written? Perhaps it will not hurt you to repeat the CRM course at all: in your business it has been transformed into Company Resource Management, and we still have the original name Crew ... Excuse me, but from your questions it is clear that you are far from modern civil aviation.
                      12. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 13 New
                        -6
                        Company, director, types, plaque - what is difficult to answer? let's put aside demagoguery ... Who ?? Already interesting !!! Where are you flying? By whom ?
                      13. sg7s
                        sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 19 New
                        -7
                        CRM? Where is the aviation? Who are you, Vasily ??? What are you flying on, petrilio ?? Why did Bakhchivandzhi crash? Why do 25 dryers just fall? Why does the 18th fall in war, and the lagg to the right? Who are you, dunce ??
                  3. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 01: 56 New
                    +8
                    The bridge in Copen was built much more than 10 years ago, if you have not seen it, do not tell about the entry to Kastrup. Invest, I hope you do it better. And by the way: I did not speak about Moscow or Aeroflot: but among my friends there are no people who write the name of the capital of the country with a small letter.
                    Next time, before you think about situation awareness, decent airlines have long been taught this.
                  4. sg7s
                    sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 05 New
                    -6
                    entry in the castrup is easier than the exit (from the sea pillars ovi) ... There is a queue. Darling, since I was FORCED to urgently bomb me, and even in Afghanistan (Khomyakova almost stabbed to death, and you don't know who she is, where do you come from, stupid one), I can't stand you military men, and even with such aplomb and heresy ... . You (the officers) were called "jackals" in the boat, in the course? And about aviation - L-29 - your ceiling, it seems, don't bother me anymore, pliz ... got it ..
                  5. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 02: 21 New
                    +8
                    I have not flown an L-29. Leave your feelings of dissatisfaction to yourself. I think on VO you have descripted yourself to the ears, probably like everywhere else.
                    The vilest habit of dwarf minds is to attribute their spiritual misery to others. Honore de Balzac... Hero, rude to your parents
                  6. sg7s
                    sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 25 New
                    -6
                    Once again - about aviation, pliz, the conversation began with this !! Who, what types, plaque, airline ?? No ? Then let's talk about philosophy ..
                  7. sg7s
                    sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 27 New
                    -6
                    Where did you fly, what, how much, airline, director, acquaintances ?????? In 15 minutes we will establish, we will call, Russia is not a great country !! Come on, Vasily!
                  8. sg7s
                    sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 30 New
                    -7
                    Blown away, petrilio ?! (I don't like couch eaters terribly ...)
                  9. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 02: 31 New
                    +9
                    You are really funny. Who are you to install me? Oholon with some water and go down to the ground. Moreover, I don't like your manners. Did you know that aviation has a respectable audience.
                  10. sg7s
                    sg7s 30 October 2020 02: 35 New
                    -6
                    I repeat - you have nothing to do with aviation. Sorry, I wasted my time on you, there are people more worthy of communication ...
                  11. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 03: 05 New
                    +9
                    I apologize in advance to everyone: did they teach you to be rude to strangers in Aktyubinsk? You are simply dishonoring your alma mater. Once again I ask you who do you think you are? Secretly - the world does not revolve around you. Do you know many people by sight? Take my avatar and search, the list is very short. If you find it, don't be discouraged, you won't like it. Although what to expect - solid cheap show-offs, wherever they have just picked up. CRM teach - helps bring brains to the horizon. They put it out of the cab - and they did the right thing. Adjutant, dick ..
                  12. Bongo
                    30 October 2020 03: 20 New
                    +8
                    You shouldn't have contacted him, it is noticeable that the person is not quite adequate mentally. He is both a pilot and an investor, he knows the force of prayer, lol and in a dugout in Afghanistan he had MANPADS lying around, and at the "point" there was a paired DShK fool Various "operators" are found on VO, but I haven't read such nonsense for a long time. wassat
                  13. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 03: 39 New
                    +8
                    Welcome hi
                    I thought maybe he was upset about something, but he began to spew nonsense.
                    Good article by the way, respect
                  14. Bongo
                    30 October 2020 03: 41 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    Welcome

                    Hello! hi
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    I thought maybe he was upset about something, but he began to spew nonsense.

                    Nonsense, to put it mildly! Delirium enchanting ... wassat
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    Good article by the way, respect

                    Thank you! drinks
                  15. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 30 October 2020 03: 43 New
                    +6
                    You seem to be from the Komsomol, the morning is probably already. And here I’m gnawing at the future sleep, I must probably stop.
  6. sg7s
    sg7s 30 October 2020 01: 40 New
    -6
    It is also not clear about Allah ... I know many prayers after Afghan in forci, but here it is somewhat inappropriate, no?
  7. Toucan
    Toucan 2 November 2020 02: 15 New
    +2
    Maybe in Farsi? Have you ever been to Afghanistan?
  8. LastPS
    LastPS 3 November 2020 19: 29 New
    +3
    He seems to be no longer a hundred, but rolled much more. Some kind of stream of consciousness is incomprehensible.
  • novel66
    novel66 29 October 2020 12: 54 New
    +7
    straight, reminded ...
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 28 October 2020 17: 00 New
    -4
    Quote: Bongo
    counterinsurgency tasks are performed

    maybe we just don't have partisans?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 October 2020 19: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: NEOZ
      maybe we just don't have partisans?

      If only ...
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 29 October 2020 17: 49 New
    +5
    We traditionally prepared for a big war

    Sergey, welcome! Do you know what thought bothered me all the time I was reading this material? It is known that in conditions of extremely low temperatures, common at the poles of our beautiful planet, where, ironically, there are significant deposits of natural resources, it is very difficult to use aircraft equipped with jet engines. No, of course it flies there, because the temperature difference with the upper layers of the atmosphere is not so significant, but with landing and subsequent takeoff, many problems arise. And above all, the fact is that the jet of jet exhaust spoils the runway, which is just a rolled crust. That is why cargo is delivered there mainly by aircraft equipped with turboprop propulsion types, the thermal impact of which on the environment is not so destructive (AC-130 or AN-24, L-410, AN-12). Jet IL-76, YAK-40 and 42, AN-74 also look in there, but again these are either specially designed aircraft, such as AN-74, whose engines are much higher or on a par with the main fuselage, or operating in less severe climatic conditions, such as IL-76, delivering goods and people to our Arctic bases located in significantly more favorable climatic conditions than those in which, for example, the Vostok or Amudsen-Scott polar stations at the South Pole operate.

    In this regard, I do not leave the feeling that in the event of large-scale hostilities in such conditions, such cars like Super Tucano will be able to provide significant support to the ground forces, while their jet brothers will sort things out among themselves in neutral waters and high layers of the atmosphere ...
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 28 October 2020 16: 59 New
    -4
    Quote: Mmm
    Why do we not have such an aircraft in service, if it is not worse than a helicopter in some cases and cheaper to operate?

    we have AH2.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 29 October 2020 00: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: NEOZ
      we have AH2

      The Polish-built An-2 we have are living out their days. As it turned out, in our country they cannot establish mass production of this class of vehicles and are forced to purchase Chinese An-2.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 28 October 2020 22: 13 New
    +2
    Because we did not have a modern turboprop trainer. But there is already infa that they plan to hang weapons on the promising Yak-152. and again the question, what kind of weapons it will be. We have a standard bomb for the Air Force of 250-500 kg, there are no analogues of SDB and PKWS II in service
  • Strashila
    Strashila 28 October 2020 16: 35 New
    +6
    "The aircraft is capable of staying in the air for more than 8 hours", could perfectly cover the rear areas from various types of UAVs with the appropriate configuration.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 28 October 2020 16: 47 New
    0
    The service life of the EMB-312 Tucano glider has been increased to 14000 hours with the possibility of extending for another 4000 hours. On EMB-312, the assigned airframe resource is 8000 hours.


    In both cases, EMB-312?
  • certero
    certero 28 October 2020 16: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    MANPADS ... I think it is possible to buy them if funds are available through front companies and people from states that are not under US control ... for example, Iran, North

    it is good that the developed countries have agreed and rather tightly control the supply of anti-aircraft missiles, therefore, anti-aircraft missiles are supplied only to government agencies.
    Therefore, the rebels in Latin America do not. Since there are no states that support them
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 October 2020 19: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: certero
      it is good that the developed countries have agreed and rather tightly control the supply of anti-aircraft missiles, therefore, anti-aircraft missiles are supplied only to government agencies.

      The problem is that now there are a number of unaccounted for MANPADS from the plundered warehouses of the Libyan and Syrian armies. That can pop up anywhere. Or who could be a cover for new supplies.
  • certero
    certero 28 October 2020 16: 54 New
    -2
    Quote: Bongo
    In addition, there is no suitable turboprop engine in our country.

    Attach the engine from the helicopter and go :)
  • certero
    certero 28 October 2020 16: 56 New
    +6
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    possessing a much more armed and protected Su-25

    This plane is from a completely different class. Tuscany has the main advantage of a cheap flight hour
  • certero
    certero 28 October 2020 19: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RA
    unaccounted for MANPADS from plundered warehouses Libyan

    There the sights are most likely already "rotten" The homing head needs to be cooled, and the helium is volatile, a dog :)
    1. albert
      albert 28 October 2020 21: 33 New
      +1
      Probably nitrogen, not helium.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 28 October 2020 19: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: The same Lech
    As I can see from the described Toucans terrorized the rebels with complete absence of air defense.
    It is unclear how these rebels are fighting without even having Stingers and other MANPADS. what

    And who will supply them? lol
  • Proctologist
    Proctologist 28 October 2020 19: 58 New
    +5
    Hmm. The magic of numbers:
    Within three minutes, the target was dropped thirty six 227 kg bombs. At the same time ... was killed 36 the rebels.


    Each was killed with a 227 kg bomb.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 28 October 2020 21: 02 New
      +2
      there were probably more wounded.
  • Parsec
    Parsec 28 October 2020 20: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: certero
    There the sights are most likely already "rotten" The homing head needs to be cooled, and the helium is volatile, a dog :)


    The sights of the MANPADS supplied to Libya and Syria are mechanical.
    Nitrogen is used in power supplies of domestic MANPADS. The IP is stored for five years without problems. There have been cases of successful shooting and complexes that were stored for fifteen years in unsuitable conditions.
  • Tochilka
    Tochilka 28 October 2020 21: 04 New
    +3
    A purely personal opinion. In the Karabakh conflict, the plane would be quite useful. Either side. After knocking out most of the air defense weapons.
    1. Bat039
      Bat039 28 October 2020 23: 02 New
      -3
      How do you imagine this, even in Karabakh, or Transnistria ?! This aircraft is vulnerable even to antiaircraft artillery barrels such as the ZU-23-2. I'm not even talking about Shilki and Tunguska ... with foreign cars of a similar class.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 29 October 2020 10: 02 New
        0
        all as appropriate, I suppose. for this there are specially trained and knowledgeable people.
        made a plan, determined who does what. Some suppress air defense, others iron, others cover.
        1. Shadow041
          Shadow041 30 October 2020 15: 31 New
          +1
          If everything were so simple, the Russian Federation would still have Il-10 attack aircraft in service, replacing only the onboard electronics with them, and would not soar over the creation of something more modern.
      2. LastPS
        LastPS 3 November 2020 19: 36 New
        +1
        According to this logic, Bayraktar should also fall, but somehow he manages to operate extremely successfully in Karabakh.
        1. Bat039
          Bat039 5 November 2020 18: 36 New
          0
          In Karabakh, the Armenians click their beak, not even using the ZU-23-2, as a cover for their equipment from the air. If they used at least Shilki, the UAVs would not fly there with an operating speed of 130 km per hour, like at home
          1. LastPS
            LastPS 7 November 2020 21: 14 New
            0
            They also seemed to fly. The KABs of these UAVs allow them not to enter the affected area at all.
  • Bat039
    Bat039 28 October 2020 23: 00 New
    +2
    The effectiveness of this vehicle is directly proportional to the effectiveness of the enemy's air defense. I do not think that this machine can be effective somewhere in Europe, even against the most militarily backward countries, including those that are not recognized.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 29 October 2020 00: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Bat039
      The effectiveness of this vehicle is directly proportional to the effectiveness of the enemy's air defense. I do not think that this machine can be effective somewhere in Europe, even against the most militarily backward countries, including those that are not recognized.

      This can be said about any combat aircraft.
      1. Bat039
        Bat039 29 October 2020 00: 05 New
        +5
        I agree, but the potential of piston (turboprop) and jet machines is still different. Here, both the speed and altitude and the mass of the payload, and therefore the vulnerability to air defense systems and combat effectiveness will be different.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 29 October 2020 00: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Bat039
          I agree, but the potential of piston (turboprop) and jet machines is still different. Here, both the speed and altitude and the mass of the payload, and therefore the vulnerability to air defense systems and combat effectiveness will be different.

          I agree with the author (who is also my husband lol ) that the vulnerability of turboprop aircraft is lower than that of helicopters. In addition, when operating against partisans, more and more emphasis is placed on the use of guided weapons. And this allows you not to enter the anti-aircraft fire zone.
          1. Bat039
            Bat039 29 October 2020 00: 20 New
            -4
            Not so simple. Helicopters ?! It depends on what to compare. If with an armed civilian helicopter, perhaps, if with an attack helicopter, such as the Mi-35, Mi-28, Ka-50, Apache and the like, the helicopter will definitely win, due to the higher payload, booking, the ability to hover, it is better to use folds terrain. Judging by the video from Karabakh, I cannot say that Azerbaijan's drones operate without entering a potential anti-aircraft fire zone, their guided weapons are used only as an adjustable aerial bomb for more accurate strikes. The air defense of Armenia showed itself, to put it mildly, not from the best side. In the 2008 war, the Georgian drones could not prove themselves, since the meetings with the MiG-29 of the Russian Air Force ended fatally for them.
            1. Bongo
              29 October 2020 10: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Bat039
              Not so simple. Helicopters ?! It depends on what to compare. If with an armed civilian helicopter, perhaps, if with an attack helicopter, such as the Mi-35, Mi-28, Ka-50, Apache and the like, the helicopter will definitely win, due to the higher payload, booking, the ability to hover, it is better to use folds terrain

              Excuse me, what kind of combat load do the Mi-35s carry in Afghanistan and how often do they freeze while performing a combat mission? Are you sure that a slower helicopter with a tail boom with a tail rotor and a main rotor is less vulnerable than the Super Tucano? As for the body armor, it is comparable.
              1. Shadow041
                Shadow041 30 October 2020 15: 35 New
                0
                Are you sure that the Super Tucano motor will pull better in the mountains than the Mi-35 motor and will lift more load ?! On what basis, such confidence ?! In the mountains, speed is not so important, maneuverability is important, therefore, during the Second World War, in the mountains, I-153s were used as attack aircraft for a long time ... which by that time had long become irrelevant over the plains.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 1 November 2020 02: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Shadow041
                  Are you sure that the Super Tucano motor will pull better in the mountains than the Mi-35 motor and will lift more load ?!

                  Have you read the article at all, or have you just watched the pictures? As for "better to pull", it is elementary, for those who are a little interested in aviation. A turboprop engine blowing over the wing creates a much greater lift than a gas turbine engine of a helicopter rotating the main rotor, spending part of the power on the tail rotor. The efficiency of the HPT per unit of power is significantly higher. It's obvious!
                  Quote: Shadow041
                  In the mountains, speed is not so important, maneuverability is important

                  Would you undertake to assert that the vertical and horizontal maneuverability of the Mi-35, whose engines operate at modes close to the limit in the mountains, is higher than that of the A-29 with a theater operating in the nominal mode?
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 12: 58 New
                    -2
                    the wing creates a much greater lift than the gas turbine engine of a helicopter rotating the rotor, ..... hello Sergeevna. your question is a bit wrong, ... the main rotor on the battlefield not only provides fire support, but also the landing and reception of troops ... many fighters owe their lives to their saviors from the army aviation, and not only here but also around the world .. ... and the counter-guerrilla, as is customary in Ukraine, is a lethal device, this is a budget toy ... and this must be admitted ..... different concepts about turntables and anti-guerrilla aircraft ..... a turntable at the end of hostilities can be remounted to rescue , and so on and so forth ... what about the Tucano or the Bronco? the only way . ride tourists ... by the way, you posted your flights in the net ...
                    1. Bongo
                      4 November 2020 04: 05 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      the main rotor on the battlefield not only provides fire support, but also landing and receiving troops ...

                      Volodya, we are discussing attack vehicles, what has to do with the landing?
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      and the counter-guerrilla, as is customary in Ukraine, lethal apparatus, is a budget toy.

                      Let's not go for Ukraine. It's about fighting all sorts of insurgents, and in this role, "Super Tucano" is very good.
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      the turntable at the end of hostilities can be remounted for rescue, etc. and so on

                      Vova, have you seen a lot of Mi-24s "repaired" for civilian needs?
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      and Tucano or Bronco? the only way . ride tourists ...

                      You are mistaken here. The range of use of such aircraft is very wide. "Tucano" and "Super Tucano" are actively used for border patrols and in the role of TCB, as for the "Bronco", then you probably missed the article on the use of this aircraft after Vietnam, It says in detail about civilian use.
                      1. Bat039
                        Bat039 5 November 2020 18: 40 New
                        +1
                        So the Mi-35 can also land troops, if you are not aware, and there are different helicopters, there is also the Ka-52, with which no one can compete in the mountains.
                      2. Bongo
                        6 November 2020 08: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Bat039
                        So the Mi-35 can also land troops, if you don't know,

                        Unfortunately, the landing compartment of the Mi-24 (Mi-35) is practically a dead weight. Thrust-to-weight ratio of this percussion the helicopter is clearly not enough to carry weapons and troops. This option was not used in any of the local conflicts. Moreover, with full combat load and full tanks, the Mi-24 can only take off with a running start.
                      3. Shadow041
                        Shadow041 6 November 2020 12: 08 New
                        -2
                        If you don’t know something, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t.
                      4. Toucan
                        Toucan 6 November 2020 16: 01 New
                        0
                        If you know, please give specific examples of using the Mi-24 for landing troops in combat conditions?
                      5. Shadow041
                        Shadow041 7 November 2020 18: 50 New
                        -2
                        Meaning to bring ?! My words are a wind for you, but I have no documentary evidence. We had no time for photographs before the battle. Although, you can watch the film "Interception" in 1986, in which a Mi-24 helicopter with border guards in the airborne department participates in the arrest of border violators.
                      6. Toucan
                        Toucan 8 November 2020 01: 54 New
                        -1
                        If you have no documentary evidence, then do not complain that your words are "wind". negative On this thread, there are people who actually participated in the database, and at least one helicopter pilot. And it is ridiculous to cite examples taken from feature films in support of your innocence.
                      7. Phoenix040
                        Phoenix040 9 November 2020 22: 31 New
                        -1
                        And you have documentary evidence that the Ka-52 is weaker than the armed Brazilian maize. If there is, present them, or admit yourself a balabol. It is always easier to demand from others, but you start with yourself.
                      8. Toucan
                        Toucan 10 November 2020 02: 11 New
                        0
                        You quite fool And what does the Ka-52 have to do with it, and how many are there in third world countries? Initially, it was about the fact that the Mi-24 is not capable of simultaneously transporting troops and carrying weapons. And please poke yourself in any place of your choice.
                  2. zyablik.olga
                    zyablik.olga 8 November 2020 05: 56 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Shadow041
                    you can watch the film `` Interception '' in 1986, in which a Mi-24 helicopter with border guards in the airborne department participates in the detention of border violators

                    Before you write such nonsense and judge the combat use of the Mi-24 from feature films, you could familiarize yourself with the history of the use of Soviet combat helicopters in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
                  3. Phoenix040
                    Phoenix040 9 November 2020 22: 32 New
                    -1
                    A man writes to you that he fought while you baked aladushki at home. But of course you know everything about military equipment better than him ... It’s not funny because of your heresy ?!
                  4. zyablik.olga
                    zyablik.olga 10 November 2020 02: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Phoenix040
                    A man writes to you that he fought while you baked aladushki at home.

                    "Man" writes nonsense negative As for the "aladushks", then you are apparently able to remotely determine who has what education and who did what? Maybe let's talk about the aviation environment of destruction?
                    As for "heresy", teach your wife to cook borscht. However, I'm not sure that such a humble has it. No.
  • Toucan
    Toucan 2 November 2020 02: 18 New
    -1
    Under equal conditions, a turboprop aircraft with engines of the same power will be able to carry a large payload. It is obvious.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 29 October 2020 00: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Bat039
    The effectiveness of this vehicle is directly proportional to the effectiveness of the enemy's air defense.


    Inversely proportional.
  • certero
    certero 29 October 2020 00: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Parsec
    Nitrogen is used in power supplies of domestic MANPADS

    Not sure what power sources you are talking about?
    1. Bongo
      29 October 2020 10: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: certero
      Quote: Parsec
      Nitrogen is used in power supplies of domestic MANPADS

      Not sure what power sources you are talking about?

      Apparently we are talking about a gas cylinder for cooling the seeker?
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 13: 15 New
        +3
        Apparently we are talking about a gas cylinder for cooling the seeker? ........ apparently the interlocutor is more familiar with the Mistral MANPADS matrechka where there is no cooling ... ...
  • Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 29 October 2020 06: 58 New
    +2
    Sergey, good day! Although I am an ardent supporter of helicopters, I read the cycle with pleasure, since information is presented in the form of a "squeeze" from a large number of sources, where information is often reprinted (and repeatedly) from each other. As always, your articles are informative and a minimum of "water".
    in my opinion, toucans as a substitute for 35oks are considered not so much for reasons of economy or operational readiness, but more for political reasons (old and even new equipment of Soviet / Russian production is being actively replaced by new ah-6s that have undergone repair and modernization of uh-60 and so on, and the American industry gets orders). although it should be noted that the article mentions an export analogue of the mi24v, which is inferior in ceiling, armament control complex, combat load (in view of limitations on available power due to climatic factors) and toucan, and mi35m.
    I do not argue that toucans in terms of flight performance and the possibility of using paveway are superior to helicopters of the Afghan Armed Forces, but I would rather consider them as a replacement for jet machines, which, in the proven tactics of a complex airstrike (aircraft + helicopters), are assigned the role of a squad of suppression forces for fortified air defense systems (large-caliber machine guns and anti-aircraft artillery in natural and artificial shelters).
    on the other hand, with such a policy of military-technical cooperation between the United States and Afghanistan, the remaining 35s (no longer new machines) will really be supplanted by toucans and ah-6s, and the thesis about the superiority of a turboprop anti-partisan helicopter over a helicopter will receive another fact confirming it (subject to the conditions this particular situation in the Armed Forces of Afghanistan).
    I can't say anything about other toucan exploiters, because if I didn't miss anything in the article, then they received exactly Brazilian toucans, and not those that were revised in the USA
    1. Bongo
      29 October 2020 10: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      Good day, Sergey!

      Nikolay, hello! Glad to see you! drinks
      Thanks for the kind words! With regard to the combat effectiveness of the A-29 when using these machines in counter-guerrilla operations, when intercepting light aircraft and patrolling, it is quite high. First of all, this is determined by good flight data, fairly perfect avionics and low operating costs. On the Afghan A-29B, built in the United States, it seems that more advanced equipment is installed on them than on the Brazilian-built aircraft. However, the SUV on the "Super Tucano" is quite "friendly" and allows you to integrate into it suspended sighting and search systems of Israeli and French production.
      As for other operating countries, there is very little reliable data on the combat use of the Super Tucano. It is known that Nigerian and Filipino A-29Bs were involved in bombing armed groups of extremists. But how successful, they don't write about it ... request
  • times
    times 29 October 2020 11: 30 New
    18
    Yes, a good plane. Embaer has managed to get a good price-performance ratio.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 October 2020 15: 09 New
    -4
    ZU-23-2 refines. As well as "Needle".
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 12: 49 New
      +3
      They approve of any aircraft that descends low enough.
    2. Toucan
      Toucan 2 November 2020 02: 20 New
      0
      Did Needles and ZU-23 shoot down turntables in recent years? But they fly slower and lower than the Super Tucano.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 13: 23 New
        -2
        Did Needles and ZU-23 shoot down turntables in recent years? ...regularly. ... although I don't know how 23-ki ... but these are regular, and even Verba has connected ...
        But they fly slower and lower than the Super Tucano ... but not much faster ... the only question is whether the partisans have MANPADS
        1. Toucan
          Toucan 3 November 2020 13: 32 New
          -1
          And in units, how much, where and when? As for "Willow", then you are probably confusing something. This complex was not exported. No.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 13: 46 New
            -1
            And in units, how much, where and when? ..... well, wax in Donbass ... read the statistics
            As for "Willow", .... well, then the grandmother said for two .... if they were supplied to Armenia as a member of the CSTO, therefore, the tea house has had it for a long time .... and the tea house is like a copier ... well, I hope do you understand
            if in doubt about the tea, then read the statistics of our aircraft shot down from various MANPADS ..... Chinese clones (at that time) MANPADS Strela -2 and Strela 2m have the overwhelming number of downed Soviet aircraft rather than from stingers RBS-70 and bloopipe
            1. Toucan
              Toucan 3 November 2020 14: 41 New
              -1
              Let's be mutually polite, respect each other and communicate with you.
              Do you have statistics on the number of launches and the number of downed ones, as well as a breakdown by type? No. I assure you, not everything is so simple, and it's probably not worth making a superweapon out of MANPADS.
              As for Afghanistan, more than 70 percent of PGI and DShK were shot down there. Do not confuse Arrow-2 and Arrow-2M. There were no firsts in Afghanistan, like the RBS-70.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 3 November 2020 15: 58 New
                -1
                Do not confuse Arrow-2 and Arrow-2M. There were no firsts in Afghanistan, like RBS-70 ... don't make me climb into the attic to refute your objection to YOU ​​YOU ... don't be sad, your whole life is ahead
                1. Bongo
                  4 November 2020 04: 08 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  don't make me climb into the attic to refute

                  Volodya, Strela-2 MANPADS were fired a little, and in Afghanistan they were not all soon. The Swedish complexes were definitely not supplied to the dushmans. No.
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  YOU YOU ... don't be sad, your whole life is ahead

                  Volodya, you and I can easily communicate. But a stranger is better off writing You.
                  Py.Sy. look at more pictures in the Agent.
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 4 November 2020 12: 52 New
                    0
                    The Swedish complexes were definitely not supplied to the dushmans. .... well, little is known about deliveries to spirits from all sides (from China, Pakistan, Iran). but nevertheless Pakistan and Iran already had these complexes ... shelling took place, but the spirits did not like them because of the weight
                    But it is better for a stranger to write you ... well, for you, so for you ... for me it's not important ... that's warmer by patronymic in view of the service passed
                    1. Bongo
                      4 November 2020 13: 24 New
                      0
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      Well, little is known about deliveries to spirits from all sides (from China, Pakistan, Iran). but nevertheless Pakistan and Iran already had these complexes ... shelling took place, but the spirits did not like them because of the weight

                      Iran illegally, through second hands, and greatly overpaid received RBS 70 in 1986, in the midst of the Iran-Iraq war, given that Iraq had air superiority, the Iranian army badly needed air defense systems. In addition, there were not many of these complexes, and they were definitely not supplied to Afghanistan. In Pakistan, the RBS 70 was not in service. No.
                      However, if you insist, we can argue for a bottle of Koktebel. I still have. wink
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 9 November 2020 23: 52 New
    +1
    "Super Tucano" E214 is an example of a successful design of a theater combat aircraft, created in the 20th century, taking into account the achieved level of modern technologies, combat experience and constructive rationalism. Russia does not have such an aircraft yet, but it could be useful. Sorry....