From idea to model. XNUMXst Century Police Submachine Gun


What kind of submachine guns today you will not see! There are also very unusual patterns. For example, this one, which we’ll tell you about today


Weapon the police. Who does what during self-isolation! Someone does not move away from the Internet, someone finally makes repairs to the joy of his wife. I, too, did not have an excess of free time. However, I would like to begin the story of what this time has poured out by referring to the material of our permanent author A. Staver “What can replace the usual Kalashnikov: about the prospects of small arms”. There was a lot of interesting things about the prospects in the field of small arms for the army. But everything that was discussed there can justifiably be applied to weapons for the police!

What should it be in the XNUMXst century? Of course, effective: who needs an ineffective weapon? It’s universal enough, as there are more and more challenges to the police forces. In addition, it should be technologically advanced and fairly cheap. And this is also, of course, an important requirement. And it follows from the current trend towards the unification of production. That is, if all of its greater part is transferred to the level of computer production, then the weapon itself must be produced at the same factories as computers. Ideally, a shooting computer should appear in front of us. But what about the “impulse”, well, the one from the nuclear explosion, about which the supporters of the good old iron love to talk so much? Yes pah on him! Firstly, there is protection, and secondly, this is not relevant for the police. And thirdly, now in the army there is a mass of all kinds of electronics, which seems to be also afraid of impulse, but for some reason it is becoming more and more. So let's forget about it right away.

There is one more thing. The world is changing. The cost of human life is growing. Which, incidentally, was shown by the coronavirus epidemic. And that means that the day is not far off when the developed countries begin a new arms race, not nuclear, but simple, but technologically sophisticated. And reliable "pieces of iron" will be declared weapons of terrorists and their very presence in a person or country will be equated with crime and international terrorism. That is, a drone will fly in and the owner of such a piece of iron will slam without trial or investigation. Now "uncivilized" peoples have almost everything the same as civilized ones. But numerically they surpass them. So, to take away their usual weapons is very profitable. And all that is profitable will be done sooner or later.

Hence the conclusion: for the police of the near future, a submachine gun is needed - it’s the police’s weapon that was well tested in the past, it started from it, which at the same time could fire with plastic bullets and shoot gas and thermobaric grenades (this is in the situation !), and conduct heavy fire at the target. So that, let’s say, the terrorists who sat outside the window couldn’t even put their nose in it, while special forces soldiers would run to this very window.

And so I thought about all this and made a mock-up, mock-up concept, nothing more, which, at least, allows me to hold on to it and evaluate the usability. And right away I’ll make a reservation so that in the comments then people don’t write any rubbish that they don’t talk about any budget money cuts and that the author is not in any “hopeless situation”. Just someone in their spare time making models tanks and knightly armor, but I prefer the models of the promising rifleman. That's all.

I will say more, this is not even a mass-size model. Because in terms of dimensions it, yes, has the dimensions of a future weapon, but the weight is still less, because not all the “stuffing” is installed in it.

So, look at the first photo. The basis of the design is a tubular truss made of plastic. Moreover, all the handles for holding it are tubular, similar to the handles of the Finnish machine gun "Valmet". There are three handles for holding: two inclined at the back and one vertical at the front. The longest lower tubular frame is used to place a telescopic stock inside it, a tube for a tactical flashlight is mounted on it, and under it there are two ring mounts for a cartridge with charges. A Picatinny metal plate with two folding mechanical sights is mounted on the upper frame, which in front goes into a L-shaped steel brass knuckles, which protects the shooter's hand if it is on the front vertical rack, which can be used, and so that the window or knock the door, or in hand-to-hand combat. On the upper frame there is also an electronic control unit for the submachine gun with a display, which displays all the parameters of the system, including ammunition consumption. There are also two trigger keys on both handles - above and below, which is also very convenient. The microchip implanted under the thumb turns on the system, so that only “our man” can shoot from such a PP.


Photo 1. Submachine gun “Universal Police Weapon” with a set of components

The components include four additional mounting units for two additional cartridges that easily fit into the two main mounting units on the lower tubular frame. All cartridges have the same shape, so that they can be inserted into any of the mounting nodes, but they have different contents. For example, below shows a grenade, which can be gas, and thermobaric, and fragmentation. They can vary in color. And the grenade itself, and the cartridge with it.


Photo 2. View of the submachine gun on the right. Here on the upper tubular guide there is another Picatinny rail, for a laser designator, and on the bottom - a mount for a blade bayonet. The photo shows how deep inside it goes the stock rod when it is folding. The spring is needed in order to facilitate the removal of the rod during removal. The batteries are one in the lower pistol grip and the other in the upper tubular guide



Photo 3. The standard dagger bayonet is attached to the cylindrical protrusion on the lower guide and on the latch, and it is horizontal so that it fits between the ribs without problems!


Photo 4. When assembled (basic version), along with a tactical flashlight inserted into the tube, this submachine gun looks like this.


Photo 5. Sights are very simple. The front sight and hinged sight have ring fuses. The long Picatinny rail allows you to mount any additional sights

As for the device of the cartridge itself, it is based on existing developments and does not present any difficulties for release. This is a plastic cylinder, inside of which there is a block of eight barrels, each of which is designed for four shots. Trunks are rifled, but since they are, in fact, disposable, they use the cheapest metal. Inside each barrel there are four bullets that differ from the usual ones only in that steel rods pass through them, protruding from the back by 5-6 mm. At the same time, each rod abuts against the head part of the bullet located behind it. Everything is like in the well-known Metal Storm system of the Australian inventor O'Dwyer, but in this case there is a difference. There are no powder charges in the barrel! They are located in four cylindrical sleeves attached to the barrel and connected to it by a hole that goes into the back of the room. A similar method of placing a powder charge, by the way, has also already been tested in U-shaped munitions studied in the United States. But there it was about shells with a bullet. In this case, we have a slightly different design, a sleeve docked to the barrel. The barrel itself is designed for four shots, and the sleeve for one! Inside the liner, the space is divided in a ratio of 20 to 80. A ceramic-metal piston, whose thickness is slightly larger than the opening for the exit of powder gases, separates them. A microchip is attached to it - a microwave radiation receiver and two igniters. There are also two powder charges: the larger of the quick-burning powder, facing the barrel, and the smaller, in a confined space, armored, slow-burning.


Photo 6. A submachine gun equipped with a cartridge and with a tactical flashlight. Well visible bayonet mount

The shot is as follows. When you press the shutter release button on one of the handles, the microwave generator generates a pulse that receives a microchip of one of the free bullets of one of the trunks. An electric current is generated, the igniter is triggered, but only that powder charge that has an exit to the barrel flashes immediately. At the same time, the membrane breaks through, gases fill the back of the room and push the bullet out of the barrel. Then the charge of armored gunpowder begins to burn. Gases push the piston forward and lock the liner channel. Thus, with subsequent shots, powder gases enter only the barrel, and do not fill the empty shells, creating high pressure in them, which just makes them disposable.


Photo 7. Folded stock and handle with screw cap for battery

Since there are holes with a diameter of 2-3 mm along the perimeter of the cartridge, the powder gases at the muzzle end create a vacuum at the time of the shot and air is pumped through the cartridge through them. Thus, the more often this submachine gun fires, the more intensively the cartridge cools. Everything is like in a Lewis machine gun.


Photo 8. Holding the submachine gun with the lower grip

The design of the submachine gun was calculated on the fact that both right-handed and left-handed people could easily use it. In the latter case, the belt fastening brackets and the control unit are easily rearranged. And that’s all. This photo shows the retention of the submachine gun by the lower handle and the cylindrical body of the cartridge. The buttstock is turned up for ease of use. The M-shaped butt control button is located just above its spring and allows for five positions. Sights are raised up, for the convenience of working with weapons with different grips, but everything is designed so that at a distance of 200 m the aiming point coincides with the axis of the cartridge itself. In addition, with automatic shooting, the weapon always moves up a little.

The rate of fire of such a cartridge can be very high, because there are no moving parts in it. The number of remaining charges is displayed on the display screen. The firing range (based on the comparative characteristics of modern submachine guns) can reach 200 m on this model. Which is quite enough to solve almost any tasks that can be posed to modern police units.

To be continued ...
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  1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 05: 17 New
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    Hence the conclusion: for the police of the near future, a submachine gun is needed - this is the police’s weapon well tested in the past, it started from him, which at the same time could fire with plastic bullets and shoot gas and thermobaric grenades (this is the situation !), and conduct heavy fire at the target.

    And then we have the police without all this poorly armed, right? And every year her powers are expanding and expanding ... The Soviet police, in comparison with "our" police, were bound by the hands and feet of the law and completely managed the PM, AK and SVD. Yes, let’s, with the whole world, we will once again throw ourselves at the next weapon for our police, what would happen later, as in the saying: "For what we fought, we ran into something." The next submachine gun (!) For the police, of course, is much more important than reducing unemployment and the impoverishment of the people against whom these submachine guns will then be used!
    1. Grandfather April 26 2020 05: 37 New
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      some incredible snags in the photo in the article, I don’t understand how they lived without it? some kind of "tactical garbage." wassat everyone is degrading, and gunsmiths too ...
      1. martin-159 April 26 2020 07: 35 New
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        Did you call this gunner a gunsmith?
        1. Shurik70 April 26 2020 08: 51 New
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          Where ammo is then inserted?
          a plastic cylinder inside which is a block of eight barrels, each of which is designed for four shots

          Somehow it's strange, a simple store is reliable
          1. Lara Croft April 27 2020 22: 12 New
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            Quote: Shurik70
            Where ammo is then inserted?

            Ammunition is not needed at all, it’s a shock-crushing weapon that passes into throwing weapons, for its production you need an abandoned house in the city and trimming gas risers ....
      2. YOUR 2 May 2020 01: 49 New
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        Police weapon with a bayonet. This is something. To finish off the Fulugan so that the cartridges are not wasted or go to the protesters with a bayonet
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Brylevsky
      Hence the conclusion: for the police of the near future, a submachine gun is needed - this is the police’s weapon well tested in the past, it started from him, which at the same time could fire with plastic bullets and shoot gas and thermobaric grenades (this is the situation !), and conduct heavy fire at the target.

      And then we have the police without all this poorly armed, right? And every year her powers are expanding and expanding ... The Soviet police, in comparison with "our" police, were bound by the hands and feet of the law and completely managed the PM, AK and SVD. Yes, let’s, with the whole world, we will once again throw ourselves at the next weapon for our police, what would happen later, as in the saying: "For what we fought, we ran into something." The next submachine gun (!) For the police, of course, is much more important than reducing unemployment and the impoverishment of the people against whom these submachine guns will then be used!

      I wonder what - is the authority of the police increasing from year to year !!!? Or if - it is in the training manual, then the mustache is true !!! tongue So pitchfork in manure and throw in the fan !!!
      And now real, the Russian police, like the Soviet police, are using old Soviet weapons: PM, AKS-74U, etc. I’m afraid in the next decade, the twentieth anniversary and up to the centennial of Pistol Makarov nothing will change! However, in the last Soviet years, policemen were carrying the "gun" !!!
      So to "roar" that you were robbed by your own police officers by taxes, this is by !!!
      True, there is an exception, these are the Kedr and Cypress checkpoints in the patrol service, however, they were all purchased in the 90s and under 20 I did not see the employees. So you can make a complaint to the former Minister of the Interior Stepashin! Ah what a "reptile" spent folk money !!!
      When Nurgaliyev bought modern weapons only exclusively for special units of the OMON and SOBR. With the advent of the Rosguard - all this went into it !!!
      Well, the last, with all due respect to Vyacheslav Olegovich, I did not like this “quasimode”! Weapons of a policeman should be compact, because contrary to opinion
      The layman, his use is exclusively episodic in nature. Oddly enough, the main weapon of an employee is a pen and paper. Which, incidentally, personnel mostly buys for their money, and not from the pocket of citizens! Like refills printer cartridges, buys a form, etc.
      Well, the last, over the past five years, there has not been a single case in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia of the unlawful use of weapons! This is according to the prosecutor's office!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. Insurgent April 26 2020 07: 52 New
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        Someone at their leisure makes models of tanks and knightly armor, and I prefer the models of a promising rifleman. That's all

        It is commendable that a person has an occupation, a hobby yes

        But, at least crack, I won’t understand, I don’t understand where the creator of the prototype layout police submachine gun skidded with the idea of ​​placing on it ... bayonet belay ? what

        Although what ... If we assume that the "Golden Eagle" on the Maidan (I mean the patient), would have joined bayonets and launched an attack, then perhaps there would have been no war now?

        Or, just the XNUMXst century, and everything will be harsh?
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          Mwg April 27 2020 16: 33 New
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          There is also a shield provided and a sixth
        2. Lara Croft April 27 2020 22: 18 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Someone at their leisure makes models of tanks and knightly armor, and I prefer the models of a promising rifleman. That's all

          It is commendable that a person has an occupation, a hobby yes

          The punished Criminal Code .... laughing
          If we assume that the "Golden Eagle" on the Maidan (I’m talking about a sick person), would join bayonets and go on the attack, then perhaps there would be no war now?

          At one time in Tbilisi, they were guided only by sapper shovels, but this did not save the Georgian SSR from a series of wars, including civilian ....
      2. Brylevsky April 26 2020 08: 07 New
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        I wonder what - is the authority of the police increasing from year to year !!!? Or if - it is in the training manual, then the mustache is true !!! tongue Taki pitchfork in manure and throw in the fan !!!

        Unfortunately for you, I don’t have any “State Department manuals” ... But there is this, for example: https: //3rm.info/main/79903-oni-gotovjatsja-ubivat-ljudej-putin-razreshil-rosgvardii-primenjat -boevuju-tehniku-protiv-ljudej-video.html
        Look at what is happening in our country a little wider than like this, for example:
        When Nurgaliyev bought modern weapons only exclusively for special units of the OMON and SOBR. With the advent of the Rosguard - all this went into it !!!
        otherwise you can "oversleep" both the country and yourself.
        You can think about this: https://3rm.info/publications/3652-nekotorye-prorochestva-starca-paisiya-afonskogo.html
        or here about it: http://monomah.org/archives/22963
        Separately, I would like to speak about them, about the "manuals" ... Do not be like Don Quixote. You are looking for windmills where they are not. Evaluate this fact here: https://www.kp.ru/online/news/3844134/, and now this one: https://yandex.ru/news/story/Glava_Lukojla_prizval_rossiyan_bolshe_ne_zhdat_snizheniya_cen_na_benzin--1ca79dbfc2fc813fc9fc1fc148147656fc986fc1fc95537497fcXNUMXfcXNUMXffXNUMXfcXNUMXfcXNUMXffXNUMXfcXNUMXfcXNUMXffXNUMXfcXNUMXfcbfXNUMXcfcbfcfcfcfcfc XNUMX & wizard = story
        And start, finally, to think.
        1. Lopatov April 26 2020 08: 14 New
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          Quote: Brylevsky
          https://3rm.info/main/79903-oni-gotovjatsja-ubivat-ljudej-putin-razreshil-rosgvardii-primenjat-boevuju-tehniku-protiv-ljudej-video.html

          Sorry, but this is a lie.
          laughing
          "Putin has allowed." But not Roszvardia, but the FSO
          laughing
          You are stupidly fooled.
          Quote: Brylevsky
          And start, finally, to think.
          1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 08: 35 New
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            "Putin has allowed." But not Roszvardia, but the FSO

            Is it so fundamentally important?
            You are stupidly fooled.

            Not you, but us. Us. We are stupidly fooled. I just don’t want to give examples anymore, and so they wrote to the "State Department agents" ... Open your eyes and tear yourself away from the TV. In a year you will not know our country, so everything will change for the worse. Are you military. Everything is fine with you now, but it cannot last long, if it arrived somewhere, it means that it has disappeared somewhere ... and hungry people have nothing to lose. A man alone will feed himself at the very least (man!), And who will feed a woman with children if there are no funds in the family? Yes, she herself will blow up her peasant from the house: "Go and get it!" And he will go and be, but at what cost, and at whose expense? And he: “a new police submachine gun is needed” ... A very timely proposal ...
            1. Lopatov April 26 2020 08: 50 New
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              Quote: Brylevsky
              We are stupidly fooled.

              It is you. Because sure, you will not get to check their lies. Although it can be done very easily

              Quote: Brylevsky
              but hungry people have nothing to lose.

              laughing
              1998 year.
              I remember this. I survived it.
              And therefore, do not tell me fairy tales.
              1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 09: 07 New
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                1998 year.
                I remember this. I survived it.
                And therefore, do not tell me fairy tales.

                Tales tell us now.
                I remember this. I survived it.

                Well, then you will confidently meet the upcoming changes in your life. When it will be, I do not know - not Wang. But it will be necessary, for us (yes, and for you too) everything has already been decided. It will begin in November 2020, and then it will only be “more fun." However, you do not get used to it ...
                1. Lopatov April 26 2020 09: 12 New
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                  Quote: Brylevsky
                  Well, then you will confidently meet the upcoming changes in your life.

                  Changes?
                  Oh well...
                2. Andrey VOV April 26 2020 12: 46 New
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                  Listen .... run away from here in a life jacket ... cowards and alarmists overboard, or at a loss, from the good old PM .... I had a service year of 64 when I was serving. It worked like a clock ... for everything I applied the time of service once for its intended purpose. Regarding the powers of the police, all of them have been registered for a long time and there are nothing to distribute nonsense links
                  1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 13: 06 New
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                    Listen .... run from here

                    No, I’ll stay ... How is V.S. Vysotsky sang: "... and do not hope - I will not leave." If I consider it necessary to express myself, I will express myself ... Without regard to anyone else's opinion.
                    1. Bolo April 26 2020 14: 12 New
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                      Maidan, a shrine?
                      1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 14: 28 New
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                        Maidan, a shrine?

                        Pray for Putin’s icon in the red corner of his cell near the TV, heartfelt.
                      2. Bolo April 26 2020 18: 28 New
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                        Well, how can I pray for the icons of Putin, if you and I have the icons of pidobandera and sluthevich?
                3. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 18 New
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                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Listen .... run away from here in a life jacket ... cowards and alarmists overboard, or at a loss, from the good old PM .... I had a service year of 64 when I was serving. It worked like a clock ... for everything I applied the time of service once for its intended purpose. Regarding the powers of the police, all of them have been registered for a long time and there are nothing to distribute nonsense links

                  Yours faithfully! The last three years I wear 1962! Before that there were 85 and 67 !!!
                  1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 18: 10 New
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                    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    The last three years I wear 1962! Before that there were 85 and 67 !!!

                    Do not understand. What do you wear a watch? recourse
                    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 19: 18 New
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                      Vladimir, maybe I didn’t put it clearly! Now I am assigned a time sheet PM 1962, before 1967, and even earlier 1985!
                    2. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 21: 25 New
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                      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      time sheet PM 1962 release

                      This is an old one. My friend, an opera, is wound with PM 94th year of release. Says new laughing
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 10: 39 New
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      The goals, principles, rights and obligations of law enforcement agencies are determined by federal laws, which, by the way, are published in the Russian newspaper, and not "consumer goods" Internet resources!
      Have you ever wondered why the top was to create the Rosguard?
      I will surprise you, but due to the fact that the “bloody police”, in spite of all the reforms, is unlikely to shoot at people !!!
      1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 11: 16 New
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        I will surprise you, but due to the fact that the “bloody police”, in spite of all the reforms, is unlikely to shoot at people !!!

        Who cares who shoots me? Is it a policeman, a Russian guard or a FSB? The result will be one ... It’s just that in the first case only one bullet should fly at me at a time, and in the others it’s their turn ... So why should I “drown” for the fact that the police got a submachine gun? By the way, at your own expense, too, do not flatter yourself: the Russian rebellion, it is so ... "meaningless and merciless", worse than the Great French Revolution. There, even the Bastille did not save, if you remember ...
        “Bloody police”, despite all the reforms, it is unlikely that they will shoot at people !!!

        I can’t speak for the whole police. I can say for a single person. "Taken" in every sense of the word ... Separately taken a person can do amazing things: he can cut his veins and bleed to death; can shoot his comrade in exchange for his life; can go over to the enemy’s side with his headquarters, or overtake a new fighter-interceptor there ... A normal list, or add? And the police are the same people, and nothing human is alien to them. I propose to wait and see.
      2. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 18: 12 New
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        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        will shoot at people !!!

        But it will be. One police captain told me so. We will shoot you ..
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 19: 31 New
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          Well, the family is not without freaks !!!
          Now I went to the pharmacy! Uralmash, the city of Yekaterinburg is not the most peaceful place! Gopota on the "quarantine" sits seeds clicks, I pass by hello they say! laughing one shows a leash without a dog and in an honest voice - we are walking dogs ento! I was curious, but where are the dogs? Anto around the corner to build a personal life! Well puppies Masha do. Five thousand things! In nine months will give birth !!!
          I’m going through the head of a youth business plan (it’s somehow not fitting with nine months) I see two pugs from the end of a five-story building, barking at the cat on the balcony !!! lol I think everything is Khan's business to the gopniks, the neighbor's cat has broken everything !!! love
          Regards, Vlad!
          1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 20: 01 New
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            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Five thousand things!

            What kind of people are they? belay
            1. Grim Reaper April 26 2020 20: 47 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Five thousand things!

              What kind of people are they? belay

              Yes it’s some kind of mongrel, trifle.
              I myself bought two Frenchmen for 7 and 9 rubles at 10m and 18m. But also without documents. And if only from the nursery .......
              Here the daughter bought a kote ... some kind of thoroughbred, for 28tr !!!
              Well, can afford it.
              1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 20: 50 New
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                Quote: Grim Reaper
                Here the daughter bought a kote ... some kind of thoroughbred, for 28tr !!!
                Well, can afford it.

                Hehe ... I have a neighbor who gave me a cat, she gave this wallpaper to Masyanya. Siamese reptile.
          2. Grim Reaper April 26 2020 20: 37 New
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            With uv. Vlad
            I’m sitting on a visa. The same picture.
            Aetiofftop: You are absolutely right, do not turn the police into an army.
            Alex.
            1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 21: 20 New
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              Quote: Grim Reaper
              I’m sitting on a visa. The same picture.

              Nothing like that. Yesterday I buried my father, I wanted to remove 50 thousand. Fig. Only 15 thousand. given out.
              1. Grim Reaper April 26 2020 22: 34 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Grim Reaper
                I’m sitting on a visa. The same picture.

                Nothing like that. Yesterday I buried my father, I wanted to remove 50 thousand. Fig. Only 15 thousand. given out.

                Well, I don’t operate with such amounts. Maximum 300-400 rub. in a day. Well, pay for the apartment, once a month 6t.r. Dog food to buy also once a month about 4.5 TR
                PS
                I'm so sorry. There is nothing worse than leaving parents. Father at 95m, Mom at 06m. I still dream and talk dubious in a dream. They say that this does not happen. But .....
                Sorry. I'm so sorry.
      3. Mwg
        Mwg April 27 2020 16: 38 New
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        So pop Gapon said "they will not shoot at the people, right there their brothers and sisters"
  2. Lopatov April 26 2020 08: 07 New
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    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    since contrary to opinion
    The layman, his use is exclusively episodic in nature.

    So, they are very suitable weapons systems created by technology "metal storm"
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 20: 53 New
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      Quote: Spade
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      since contrary to opinion
      The layman, his use is exclusively episodic in nature.

      So, they are very suitable weapons systems created by technology "metal storm"

      Unlikely! It's expensive!
      Practice for a year involves about 100 shots per year from service weapons! Cheaper revolver or such an indestructible gun Like a PM!
      1. Lopatov April 26 2020 22: 23 New
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        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Unlikely! It's expensive!
        Practice for a year involves about 100 shots per year from service weapons! Cheaper revolver or such an indestructible gun Like a PM!

        For training, imitators.
        "Metal Storm" is good because there are constant combat readiness. Plus allows electronic verification
  3. Mihail2019 April 26 2020 14: 09 New
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    I allow myself to add regarding the "main weapon of the employee" - more intelligence, intuition and knowledge! Including knowledge of the Administrative Code and Criminal Code!
    But in general, my opinion is: prevention and prevention are the main "weapon" of law enforcement agencies! Then the use of firearms will have the character of an emergency!
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 20: 54 New
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      Michael let me complement you, the main thing is humanity !!!
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      But in general, my opinion is: prevention and prevention are the main "weapon" of law enforcement agencies!

      I have a friend - a policeman then, told me that in the 90s he wore two pistols, a time sheet of "Makarov" and a gas one, apparently he could not distinguish, but to scare the gypsies was his words. And as usual he mixed up his pockets once, fired into the air for that ... I was very surprised at how quickly the gypsy faded, but wanted in her face ... When I realized that I was freezing, I decided to leave the organs.
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      A police officer of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation needs to know, the investigator knows the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
      Prevention and prevention died with the USSR
  • Okolotochny April 26 2020 07: 48 New
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    In your case, chewing is better than writing. The rules for using weapons by law enforcement officers of the Russian Federation are no different from those that were in force during the Union. Throw on the fan further.
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      In your case, chewing is better than writing.

      Comrade Room Marshal! Chew the cows in the stall. But I am a man, and I will defend my civic position as long as I am alive.
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        Are the stars worrying you so much? Under the position there should be a base. If it is based on a lie, and intentional, then this is the position of the Marginal, with which I congratulate you. tongue
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          Are the stars worrying you so much? Under the position there should be a base. If it is based on a lie, and intentional, then this is the position of the Marginal, with which I congratulate you. tongue

          Changes are coming in the country, they have already begun. All this: digital passes "from and to"; distance learning; empowerment of law enforcement agencies; the upcoming total "vaccination" of the population, it is not clear what; giving up cash and stuff, it's just a “trial balloon” and it from us is not going anywhere, understand this. Do you like living in a police state? You were born for this? To voluntarily stand up, get your daily ration? Do you want to this future for your children? It is already coming to us! And when they bind your hands and indicate where to walk, how to stand and what to say, you will indifferent my
          Under the position there should be a base. If it is based on a lie, and intentional, then this is the position of the Marginal, with which I congratulate you. tongue
          , then you will want something completely different, I assure you.
          Are the stars worrying you so much?

          No. In real life, I wear epaulets, not in virtual. But the Marshal, of course ... but not ordinary.
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            Changes are coming in the country, they have already begun. All this: digital passes "from and to";

            I knew that you were going to end your "righteous" anger ....
            Я in real life wear shoulder strapsnot in virtual. But the marshal, of course ... but also not ordinary.

            Why, then, is anti-Soviet in your words? Waiting for when yours come to power?
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          Are the stars worrying you so much?

          Scaling. May I ask you, but you’re definitely a precinct?
      2. sanek45744 April 26 2020 11: 52 New
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        No, you’re not a cow, not a cow at all, you’re an ass! It’s not funny for yourself to throw strange links? While alive, such balabol as you will always be alive; you’ll run away into the bushes, you’re a provocateur simply. So stop drowning here for a riot, you yourself know that there will be no coup, no one will allow it. And people like you don’t need a bullet, they will just go over your back and cry once.
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          And people like you don’t need a bullet, they will just go over your back and cry once.

          Your chic plumage just struck me on the spot laughing
          So stop drowning here for a riot

          I do not "drown" for the riot. I want to live free, and die free, because I was born free. And do not tell me what I need to do, and how I need to live, boy.
          you yourself know that there will be no coup, no one will allow it.

          Where such confidence? Wait, see ... The mark of the beast on the hand or forehead accept?
          1. sanek45744 April 26 2020 14: 27 New
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            Well, according to the first pr, such a wand is funny! Damn how funny you are, and after the boy, in general, you are a stupid person, since you divide people by age. Ahah, who told you that you were born free?
            But tell me about the outlines in more detail.
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              But tell me about the outlines in more detail.

              Yes, not a "shape", but a shape. This is from the Revelation of John the Evangelist, better known as the Apocalypse. An inscription is a sign, a seal, a symbol that will be applied to the human body for reading by electronic means of control. Those who refuse to take on this seal will fall out of society: they will neither be able to buy, nor sell, nor use medical services, etc. There will be no cash then, and these people will be disconnected from electronic money. They will not be able to buy their own food and, according to the plan of the authorities, will either have to starve to death or take on the seal of the beast. The beast is the Antichrist. With the adoption of this seal, man gives his consent to the renunciation of God. First of all, employees of law enforcement agencies and government officials, employees, will be forced to accept the press, as they are easier to manage. In general, then they will say to all people: "Or a cross, or bread. Choose."
              1. Golovan Jack April 26 2020 14: 52 New
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                Brylevsky

                Gosspeed ... why are you so killing something?

                Well, entered at the time of quarantine passes. Forced measures - and quarantine, and passes. The quarantine will be removed (and it will be removed, otherwise everything will die), and the passes will be canceled. Really incomprehensible.

                And here you are - the seal of the beast, the police society ... in the same Israel (I have friends there, yes) - now you can’t leave 100 meters from the house ... and what, do you think - forever? Not even funny.

                Throw already to be killed, all the same you will not be killed laughing
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                  And here you are - the seal of the beast, the police society ...

                  I believe that everything goes to this. But this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.
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                    Quote: Brylevsky
                    But this has nothing to do with the topic of the article

                    Oh no no no... belay

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                    I believe that everything goes to this

                    IMHO it somehow strangely combines with "I wear shoulder straps" ... although - there are no miracles in nature only request
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                      somehow oddly combined with "wearing shoulder straps" ... although - what wonders in nature there is no request

                      There are no miracles, I really wear the insignia of the starpom. Just not the navy. And accustomed to think ahead and see a little further than the image on the TV screen. That's all the "miracles" ...
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                      I really wear a starpom uniform. Just not the navy

                      Clear. I will console you - the drivers in the subway also wear epaulettes.
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                      Clear. I will console you - the drivers in the subway also wear epaulettes.

                      Yes. Because at the same time they bear a non-frail responsibility for the lives of people, and do a useful thing. Someone has to carry people in the subway, and be responsible for it personally ... I also drive people, not just underground, but by sea. This is also a work necessary for the country, of course, not as heroic as being a military, but ... if everyone is a military, who will carry people underground and carry water? And you don’t need to console me, I'm fine.
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            Yes, you contradict yourself. Well you with shoulder straps and not small, so you will accept the combined choice with the outline. And I will live without any combinations
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              Yes, you contradict yourself. Well, with shoulder straps and not small, here you will accept the combined choice with the outline

              I have the epaulettes of the starpom, but not the Navy. Although I also have an officer rank, I do not serve. In Russia, in addition to the Navy, there is still another fleet, but this is not for long, on the move ... So here I am and work on it. For the experience. And for the money you have to work not in Russia. A bit muddy lol sounded ... I just wanted to tell you that my shoulder straps do not burden me, and I have nothing to lose. I will take off my tunic and disappear. I will not be neither for the state, nor for the power of this filthy ...
              And I will live without any combinations

              Welcom! But keep in mind, you won’t be able to “stitch”. Sooner or later you will have to answer: "Or a cross, or bread. Choose." Are you "drowning" for Putin? Well...
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  • Lara Croft April 27 2020 22: 47 New
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    money then will be gone,

    All the same, communism is not fiction, Thank you, I believe ....
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      All the same, communism is not fiction, Thank you, I believe ....

      Communism is not a fiction, but it will have nothing to do with the events unfolding then. There will be no cover Satanism. But if this doesn’t bother you personally, then I’m afraid that there’s nothing more to talk with you about.
  • Andrey VOV April 26 2020 12: 50 New
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    Knee-elbow position?
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      Knee-elbow position?

      You are not trying to humiliate me, you are humiliating yourself. Although, apparently, you are not used to it ...
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 21 New
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    In your case, chewing is better than writing. The rules for using weapons by law enforcement officers of the Russian Federation are no different from those that were in force during the Union. Throw on the fan further.

    The best ones were spelled out in the law on police in 1991!
    Today the meaning is the same, but too difficult to perceive !!!
    And so the difference is in one point of use !!!
  • Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 18: 14 New
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    The rules for using weapons by law enforcement officers of the Russian Federation are no different from those that were in force during the Union.

    Are different. Are you betting?
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      The content of one item!
      Allowed to be used to destroy locking devices!
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        The content of one item!

        As the uncle told me, in order to buy a gun in the 60s, you had to show with your finger where the bullet was flying from. That is, put a finger in the trunk. wink
  • Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 21: 33 New
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    The rules for using weapons by law enforcement officials of the Russian Federation are no different from those that were in force during the Union

    They were different. Issue a training manual in the 80s and in the zero.
  • Insurgent April 26 2020 08: 06 New
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    And then we have the police without all this poorly armed, right?

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    And then we have the police without all this poorly armed, right?

    hi
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      Vyacheslav Shpakovsky, you made me laugh, dear man.
      It would be better if you started repairs in the house.
      Although, judging by your ideas and opinions, the repair would have turned out even that ...

      You remind me of Polesov from a novel of 12 chairs.
      A brilliant intellectual locksmith with a secondary education, overly boiling nature.

      all the handles for holding it are tubular, similar to the handles of the Finnish “Valmet” machine gun.
      The author: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky

      German ERMA EMP 44 rather than Finnish Valmet.


      Picatinny metal plate fastens

      Namely a "plate"? Not a bar, no?

      goes into the L-shaped steel plate-brass knuckles

      which is attached to a tubular truss made of plastic. Did I understand correctly?

      The microchip implanted under the thumb turns on the system, so that only “our man” can shoot from such a PP.

      The term "Fingerprint Scanner" would be better suited - many modern smartphones have this wink

      To be continued ...

      My Gods, what will he teach us to continue ?!
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      At one point in the 80s, one turner took and made a submachine gun. Bank robbed. I turned the cartridges of the house on a lathe.
  • raw174 April 26 2020 09: 37 New
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    Actually, today the Russian police are armed with a 9mm PM, a couple of Kedr software per department, 1-2 RPK-74 sometimes 1 SVD, usually without ammunition. In reality, they shoot from the PM, Cedar, about 1 time per year from the PKK, from the SVD they make 5-10 shots once every 1-3 years. Now the Russian police have no forces for a real more or less serious military operation. The police are based on the services of district police officers, the criminal investigation department and the traffic police, and there are also teaching staff in the cities. There used to be a military police regiment, a special police force, and a special regiment, but they were taken to the Russian Guard, although there are joint orders, there is no interaction between the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard on land. In addition, our police practically do not use firearms. In my opinion, the police today do not need PP, but a new non-lethal weapon, something like a stun gun. Today, the police are armed with cassettes - nozzles for remote use of ESW, but firstly, these are not convenient products, secondly, they are only on paper, employees don’t ... Roughly speaking, conceptually, we need a gun firing an electroshock cartridge , for a short distance (up to 5 m.),
    1. Brylevsky April 26 2020 09: 48 New
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      In my opinion, the police today do not need PP, but a new non-lethal weapon, something like a stun gun.

      Yes!
      But not this:
      shoot gas and thermobaric grenades (this is the situation!), and conduct heavy fire at the target

      Because it will be the last peaceful day for the police. Yes, and for us too ...
      1. raw174 April 26 2020 09: 58 New
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        Because it will be the last peaceful day for the police. Yes, and for us too ...

        There is no need to make policemen, punishers who dream of killing as many people as possible ... Our policemen take out weapons very, very rarely, and then when it's too late ... Such is the reality.
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          There is no need to make policemen, punishers who dream of killing as many people as possible ... Our policemen take out weapons very, very rarely, and then when it's too late ... Such is the reality.

          Here is our reality: https://ria.ru/20090427/169322485.html
          Yes, we have not yet in the United States, the police are using weapons "at full height" there, but this is precisely because they lets make the law. And we all go to this. So what am I to rejoice about? Issue a submachine gun to the police ... what would it be easier to “bring down"? From the thigh - long ... A little pistol?
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            Here is our reality: https://ria.ru/20090427/169322485.html

            Are you seriously? Issue for lawlessness 2-3 cases per year? This is ridiculous! Under any system and any laws, there will be 2-5-10 idiots who commit a crime in any power structure. As a friend of the FSB told me in their department, only in the Chelyabinsk region there are 3-5 suicides every year ...
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              Are you seriously? Issue for lawlessness 2-3 cases per year? This is ridiculous!

              I did not tell you anything about the police "lawlessness." This was the answer to yours:
              Our policemen take out weapons very, very rarely, and then when it's too late ...

              As you can see, this is not entirely true, unfortunately. And add to the read the statement of your friend:
              As a friend of the FSB told me in their department, only in the Chelyabinsk region there are 3-5 suicides every year ...
              and this despite the fact that whoever got there for the service is not taken. From PM you can kill up to eight people; from a submachine gun - up to thirty ... Is it really not enough one pistol?
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                [quote] [From PM you can kill up to eight people; from a submachine gun - up to thirty ... Is it really enough to have one pistol? / quote] A bayonet with a knife is generally endless)). What kind of nonsense? What epaulets do you wear as you write? Railway? Forestry?
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                  What epaulets do you wear as you write?

                  Starpomovskie.
                  A bayonet with a knife is generally endless)). What kind of nonsense?

                  Nonsense, it is to equip the police with automatic weapons. In the US, the crime rate is much higher than ours, however, only special police units have automatic weapons there. Ordinary police quite successfully manages self-loading pistols, revolvers and shotguns.
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                    In your opinion, should a policeman join an armed criminal in cowboy games? He must overwhelmingly outperform a potentially armed criminal. Special Forces have nothing to do with it. A simple policeman will have to figure out the degree of danger and stop the crime in time. You write nonsense.
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                      You write nonsense.

                      As you wish. But this is my opinion and I will not deviate from it. May the future judge us. I'm tired of explaining and proving the obvious things here. I repeat only the well-known saying: "For what they fought, they ran into something."
          2. Okolotochny April 26 2020 11: 03 New
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            I’ll tell you another reality, the district lieutenant, a boy of 22 years old, came on call to calm down the family rowdy, calmed him down, had to break down and put on handcuffs. In the morning, having overslept a zealous “law-abiding” citizen, having conspired with relatives (a policeman came to call her) they filed an application with the UK about “police arbitrariness” (also concerned about the rule of law). The result, for abuse of authority and beatings, the guy received 4 years in prison. And such cases are full. Therefore, keep your propaganda about the police state.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 43 New
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      I will add a little!
      In the traffic police - 1 AKS-74U per outfit or post.
      SVD from the departments are taken away and exchanged for bolt engines of a similar caliber.
      There are KS-23 or KS-23m.
      APSs, PSMs and drops of the Danish PMM king were left from the short-barrel!
      Of all this, the newest bolt engines, PMMs are already 10-15 years old.
      Institutes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are best equipped; they even shoot PM to zero!
      Otherwise, a maximum of 16 rounds per month! So the stocks of macaroni will last another half a century !!!
      The only killed Makarov saw only once! Apparently before me, he survived several generations of attendants! The ebonite handle was wiped so that it shone through to the light. Oxidation is erased to zero !!! The whole was offset by a millimeter !!! There were characteristic dents on the back plate of the shutter (either they hammered nails, or they tried to correct the whole thing with a hammer)! So to get to a distance of 10 meters had to aim to the right of the target !!!
      In principle, a policeman with such weapons is not dangerous for his people !!!
      But when I changed the handle to the PMGeshka, cleaned it, washed it in an ultrasonic bath, dried it, put it in the oven, greased it with oil! Now, as good as new, but one and a half times older than me will be !!!
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      there is no interaction between the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard on land.

      in Surgut, part of the crews consist of a staff member of the teaching staff (usually he is a driver) and an employee of the Russian Guard. And for the first time I noticed this literally right after the formation of a new structure. Such crews in our city are not uncommon.
      Unfortunately, I can’t provide official data, only what I observe myself
    4. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 18: 36 New
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      Actually, today the Russian police are armed with a 9mm PM, a couple of Kedr software per department, 1-2 RPK-74 sometimes 1 SVD, usually without ammunition

      Heh, a friend from the police said: "Vovan, the vending machines are issued without a record, and PM with a record. laughing
  • Krasnoyarsk April 26 2020 10: 06 New
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    The Soviet police, in comparison with “our” police, were bound by the hands and feet of the law and completely managed the PM, AK and SVD.

    But mostly they walked with an empty holster, or with seeds in it. There was no need for AK and SVD in the 60s - 70s.
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      There was no need for AK and SVD in the 60s - 70s.

      She is still gone! Why then the police submachine gun? How many people can be killed with a Makarov pistol? Eight! How many people can be killed with a submachine gun? Twenty! Thirty! What for? Eight already will not be enough? Or maybe, after all, a traumatic gun or a remote stun gun can do? The police?
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        She is still gone! Why then the police submachine gun?

        I do not agree with you. Now the situation is completely different. Banditry flourished, and they have weapons up to grenade launchers.
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          I do not agree with you.

          Please, your right. All I ask about is to reasonably defend my point of view.
          Now the situation is completely different. Banditry flourished, and they have weapons up to grenade launchers.

          Banditry is a consequence. The submachine gun cannot be defeated, it is strange that you do not understand this ... We must make sure that there is no reason for banditry. Tell me, Utopia? But you yourself said that:
          But mostly they walked with an empty holster, or with seeds in it. There was no need for AK and SVD in the 60s - 70s.

          So, after all, is it possible to remove the causes, or at least significantly reduce them? Yes you can. But difficult. And no need. And in general, this is not a fashionable topic ... It is much easier to give the police “Bezona”, “Cedars”, “Cypresses” and then “carry popcorn”, as they say ... So I don’t agree with you. It's not about machine guns. And in people.
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            Banditry is a consequence. The submachine gun cannot be defeated, it is strange that you do not understand this ...

            You are mistaken. Just - I understand. And in this you are right, but .. so far, in my opinion, the approach to combating crime will change, that is, the reasons for her appearance will be eliminated, the police should - "a good word and colt, better than just a good word."
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              You are mistaken. Just - I understand.

              I put you a "+" for understanding
              "a good word and colt is better than just a good word."
              .
              If it is a "trauma" or a shocker, then - welcom. For other cases, there is special forces, which has everything for this.
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                If it is a "trauma" or a shocker, then - welcom. For other cases, there is special forces, which has everything for this.

                So the district, except for the "Makar" has nothing.
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                You are mistaken. Just - I understand.

                I put you a "+" for understanding
                "a good word and colt is better than just a good word."
                .
                If it is a "trauma" or a shocker, then - welcom. For other cases, there is special forces, which has everything for this.

                Sadly, in the color of recent reforms, when it is needed, it is not !!!
                Well, the last, as far as I remember the year before last, the number of cases of PP use by the police is equal to zero!
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          Yes it is a computer provocateur! He doesn’t know life, at the computer, then his whole life passes
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            Yes it is a computer provocateur!

            If my opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the overwhelming majority, does this mean that I am a provocateur? Interesting movie ...
            He doesn’t know life, at the computer, then his whole life passes

            What do you know about my life, boy? You don’t even know who I am! And you rush into phrases putting you in a stupid position ... By the way, about a stupid position - you don’t get used to it, on the go ...
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              Uncle you already said for yourself what to understand who you are! So sit there silently. What does not like when the truth is said about you. People see everything and your murky illusion
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                People see everything and your murky illusion

                What do they see, let me ask?
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                  As you tired me, I already wrote everything to you.
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      Quote: Brylevsky
      The Soviet police, in comparison with “our” police, were bound by the hands and feet of the law and completely managed the PM, AK and SVD.

      But mostly they walked with an empty holster, or with seeds in it. There was no need for AK and SVD in the 60s - 70s.

      Have you seen a policeman with SVD at the ready? Now the cops also often leave PM in the safe ...
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        Have you seen a policeman with SVD at the ready? Now the cops also often leave PM in the safe ...

        Well, about SVD, you "turned down to the cold," and the fact that they walk with the AKS-74U is yes, they do.
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      But mostly they walked with an empty holster, or with seeds in it.

      We laughed that the district police officer wears a cucumber for a snack, and this is "in the most criminalized" Donbass! yes
      1. Krasnoyarsk April 26 2020 11: 17 New
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        We laughed that the district police officer wears a cucumber for a snack, and this is "in the most criminalized" Donbass!

        It’s not only you who joked so much, but ours too. Oh, it was a good time!
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          It’s not only you who joked so much, but ours too. Oh, it was a good time!

          Well, this is only partly a joke ...

          The prevailing, trouble-free, and most importantly safe practice in all respects of the fight and prevention of "crime" from the district police officer was reduced to shmona, seizure, liquidation, confiscation of moonshine stills, semi-finished product (mash) and actually moonshine.

          And where there is an exemption, there is a tasting of the product wassat drinks laughing
          1. Krasnoyarsk April 26 2020 11: 32 New
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            And where there is a seizure, there is a tasting of the product wassat drinks

            Most certainly! And, for a bad product, the punishment is complete. And for a product of excellent quality - he will scold, they say - it’s not good, moonshine to drive, not good.
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Most certainly! And, for a bad product, the punishment is complete. And for a product of excellent quality - he will scold, they say - it’s not good, moonshine to drive, not good.

              So "staff points" existed that periodically "covered" for reporting. Fine, protocol, confiscation, tra-la-la and that's all ... Go drive on laughing
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                So "staff points" existed that periodically "covered" for reporting. Fine, protocol, confiscation, tra-la-la and that's all ... Go drive on

                So this is for those who, according to the results of the tasting, fell out of favor.
                Quality, it was appreciated always and everywhere. hi
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 51 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        But mostly they walked with an empty holster, or with seeds in it.

        We laughed that the district police officer wears a cucumber for a snack, and this is "in the most criminalized" Donbass! yes

        Not a joke, because the truth!
        The old men sadly felt sorry for Naganov's holsters - "three cucumbers got in - three" !!!
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Not a joke, because the truth!
          The old men sadly felt sorry for Naganov's holsters - "three cucumbers got in - three" !!!

          laughing good
  • Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 05: 30 New
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    The cost of human life is growing

    Shpakovsky! I will not give a penny for your life. wassat
    1. Grandfather April 26 2020 05: 41 New
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      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      The cost of human life is growing

      Shpakovsky! I will not give a penny for your life. wassat

      as we see, and for our life with you, the state will not give broken horseradish ... gee ...
      1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 05: 45 New
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        as we see, and for our life with you, the state will not give broken horseradish ... gee ...

        Issues 15 thousand rubles. I wanted 50 to get a baht for the funeral, figs there. Only 15 were issued, they said that there is no money. crying In the savings bank. What is most important - there is a stash on the book, but they don’t give a damn.
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Dead Day
          as we see, and for our life with you, the state will not give broken horseradish ... gee ...

          Issues 15 thousand rubles. I wanted 50 to get a baht for the funeral, figs there. Only 15 were issued, they said that there is no money. crying In the savings bank. What is most important - there is a stash on the book, but they don’t give a damn.

          condolences ... sad
          In the savings bank. What is most important - there is a stash on the book, but they don’t give a damn.
          sperbank in its repertoire.
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            sperbank

            In-in.
  • Free wind April 26 2020 05: 45 New
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    Unusual appearance at least. It seems that Katrithji can be made disposable, then trunks can be made plastic. For drones, that’s it. And it’s impossible to attach a bullet to the barrel, for killers it is. And the author will not be attracted for 3 years for production, it seems that even a non-working replica needs permission to take. Especially with a bayonet attached, and this is a completely different level. Judging by Pyatnashka, the guy then does not live in America at all. Thank you for the article, smiled.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 26 2020 14: 57 New
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      I'm afraid I’ll be thrown out into the street tomorrow, but I won’t hold back.
      Rubber sticks would be better bought normal!
      PR-73M is unbreakable in frost, PR-73 is long! Many friends buy with a lateral grip "90", "91".
      It's time to develop and implement a special stick with a lateral grip, spray can in the handle and a contact stun gun !!! And at least not to break.
      1. Phil77 April 26 2020 15: 09 New
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        Greetings Vlad!
        Out of curiosity, how much does a * democratizer * cost? angry
      2. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 18: 41 New
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        PR-73 is long!

        Is it a rubber stick or something?
        1. Phil77 April 26 2020 20: 56 New
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          Volod! Well, of course, but ... she still has an unofficial name - * democratizer *! hi
          1. Mordvin 3 April 26 2020 21: 07 New
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            Volod! Well of course

            Pr73 Wow I will tell a story. Somehow I got into the detoxification center. Yeah ... I fell asleep, and some kind of milk cleaner began to hammer at the door. He hollowed, hollowed, and tired. I sat down to rest. And I stood on my head! How they started to take me with batons ...
            "You are said to be the last to leave the cell ..."
  • Stalllker April 26 2020 06: 26 New
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    And why is it? need to
  • VicktorVR April 26 2020 06: 42 New
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    And for some reason I see not at all representatives of the authorities with such “squiggles,” but rather all kinds of rebels.
    Riveted in the cellars "of what was", "if only" ...
  • sen
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    There is the principle of Occam's Razor. Applied to this case: why create complex, when you can do simple.
  • phair April 26 2020 07: 42 New
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    The bayonet pleased. They say it is necessary to do a slack in it if it gets stuck. To kill a man, do not go to the field ...
  • Pavel57 April 26 2020 07: 48 New
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    The bayonet looks more convincing than the machine.
  • Vladimir_2U April 26 2020 07: 50 New
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    The dream of reason gives rise to monsters, the dream of the author’s mind in combination with the regime of self-isolation is just a terrible thing! laughing
  • riwas April 26 2020 07: 55 New
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    The upper position of the handle in relation to the trunk - this I have already seen.

    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren1/anti_t_b.htm
    According to the author, this arrangement allows you to avoid "throwing" weapons from the moment of recoil, since the axis of the barrel is located between the hands (right above, left below).
    When shooting with one hand, the shoulder of the recoil will be less.
    1. Snail N9 April 26 2020 08: 53 New
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      The latest amendments to the law "on the police" gave the policemen virtually inviolable-made them untouchable in any of their illegal actions, now they can always officially refer to a "suspicion" of a threat, etc. Moreover, with this very "suspicion" of a threat to their life and health, they can now open fire to defeat. so, be careful now, with plastic cups and policemen falling under your feet with the aim of "injuring them" (and God forbid, you’ll stick your hand sharply in your pocket or jerk) - now you’ll get a bullet and not one.
  • Zementbomber April 26 2020 07: 57 New
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    for the police of the near future, a submachine gun is needed - it’s the police’s well-tested weapon in the past that’s what it started

    OMG !! Giving an article about PP - well, you can’t SO NOT know the story of P !! It appeared as a “weapon” of the last 200 m. It was a purely army infantry. It responded to MP.18.
  • Amateur April 26 2020 07: 58 New
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    The standard dagger bayonet is attached

    Bayonet at the police PP! Top *** (ingenuity). Whom and where will the police or guardsmen stab them? Or "The Testament of A. Suvorov is true"
    Bullet fool, bayonet well done!
  • Catfish April 26 2020 08: 09 New
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    Hello everyone and good morning! hi
    I just opened the page and saw a photo of Vyacheslav with this design, as it immediately reminded me of something. Its clumsy or something (Olegitch, no offense, okay?). He climbed into the network and, of course, found it, this is a monster. ERMA EMP44


    Honestly, Vyacheslav, your weapon is "not asking" for hands, and as for using cartridges instead of the usual barrel and magazines, I’m still a conservative and prefer to kill in the old fashioned way with the usual weapons. smile soldier
    1. Mister X April 26 2020 09: 39 New
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      He climbed into the network and, of course, found it, this is a monster.

      hi
      I remembered the same thing, I inserted my 3 kopecks into the author’s address wink
      And the author borrowed this term from dentistry, from prosthetists?
      cermet piston
      1. Catfish April 26 2020 09: 54 New
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        Oh, I don’t know, since childhood I have been afraid of dentists more than the police. laughing
        1. Mister X April 26 2020 10: 07 New
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          I’m afraid of dentists since childhood more than the police

          And I already had half of the teeth in the “repair”.
          Already a bunch of crowns, there is even a titanium implant.

          Regarding the author of this concept.
          I do not want to insult him, he is already offended by fate.
          As the saying goes: if brilliant - then in everything!
          And he understands the aircraft carriers, and in geopolitics, and non-lethal weapons. Surely in finance and medicine too ...
          It remains only to envy his seething energy, confidence in his innocence, and inexhaustible imagination.
          Unrecognized genius, no other way!
          But many readers like these ...
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            But many readers like these ...

            I am grateful to Vyacheslav even for the fact that he writes a lot and regularly, and what’s there and how much, we will figure it out ourselves, “collectively”. So now we are talking with you, but if this article had not existed, we would have been sitting quietly in its corners. A bridge for communication, is it bad?
            Have you read Vic Nick's comment? wink
            1. Mister X April 26 2020 10: 16 New
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              Have you read Vic Nick's comment?

              Maybe I read it, but I didn’t know what it was.
              Where is he?
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                Undecim Today, 08: 56
          2. kalibr April 26 2020 15: 26 New
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            And he understands the aircraft carriers,

            There was not a single article about aircraft carriers. But partly you are right - a journalist should be able to write about everything ...
            1. Mister X April 26 2020 16: 17 New
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              There was not a single article about aircraft carriers.

              You are right.
              I confused you with another author.
              Sorry...
          3. kalibr April 26 2020 15: 40 New
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            Unrecognized genius, no other way!

            Well, I’m far from a genius, of course, there are many people who are much more talented. But in a certain niche, mine is mine!
            1. Mister X April 26 2020 16: 42 New
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              But in a certain niche, mine is mine!

              On historical subjects, you are doing great.
              This cannot be taken from you. Here you are special.
              If you made this product yourself, then you are also a man of arms (build quality is excellent).
              I will not get to the bottom of the butt plate shape, dimensions, storage, transportation, etc.
              Please answer a few

              1) What samples adopted for service can, in principle, replace the product above?

              2) What is its undeniable advantage?

              3) What are your estimates of the damaging properties of a bullet fired from this device?
              For example, a stopping action.

              4) And the initial speed?

              Range 200 meters ?!
              I doubt it. I doubt very much ...
              1. kalibr April 26 2020 17: 48 New
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                Good questions, interesting. It’s just right to write an article on them. But for now, I can hardly answer. You read the article ... I wanted to make a layout that could ... act on the basis of what we already have. That is, there are many "cubes" that are already working and now you take and connect. O'Dwyer has multiple charges, there is electronic ignition, a cartridge pistol for underwater swimmers is accepted in Germany, there is a shot counter. The upper release handle was tested. In principle, everything is there. Even the pipe construction ... yes, it was used in Germany, only the angle of the handle is incorrect. What could I afford? Indicate that these "cubes" are already there. And ... make a new design! That's all. To many, it seems terrible, but people just did not hold it in their hands. Look at the photo carefully. You will see that he is very comfortable in his hands. I held on to all kinds of weapons ... holding on to this ... at least no less convenient. Manufacturability for 3D printing is high.
                Here we will have a scientific conference at our university, where our rector — the police general, and a bunch of military men from military departments — will be shown there, and then after about a year I can answer you specifically.
                1. Mister X April 26 2020 18: 05 New
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                  Manufacturability for 3D printing is high.

                  And how is the sample from the photo assembled? 3D or hands?
                  Very smooth joints turned out.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  and then somewhere in a year I can answer you already specifically.

                  I hope that I will not miss your material.
                  I still have to continue to digest today;)

                  Sorry for the sharpness once again, but your prototype is worse than the Aelita Assault Rifle.
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                    And how is the sample from the photo assembled?

                    He glued it from a cardboard. wassat
                  2. kalibr April 26 2020 18: 35 New
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                    Sorry for the sharpness once again, but your prototype is worse than the Aelita Assault Rifle.

                    On that stand! I wanted to make it in 3D, but for this I need the same program. I myself can’t do it myself, but to pay - there is no money. And the machines that may be in my possession are not good - small. Therefore, everything is assembled from plastic water pipes. It is glued with superglue with sawdust mixed in it, so noticeable seams resemble welded ones. And the joints are smooth ... well, no one canceled the fine-grained sandpaper. Some details were made to me by my friend on a CNC machine. Of steel, only the bayonet mount is machined on a turning. And even its lock is plastic, but on screws. Well, painting - automotive metallic ...
          4. 3x3zsave April 26 2020 16: 41 New
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            And he understands the aircraft carriers, and in geopolitics, and non-lethal weapons.
            Sorry, please, I haven’t been on the forum for so long as you, but over the past 3,5 years I don’t remember Shpakovsky attempting to encroach on the mentioned areas of human knowledge. It will not be difficult for you to give links? I don’t jerk, as usual, just interesting. Thank.
            1. Mister X April 26 2020 16: 47 New
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              It will not be difficult for you to give links?

              hi
              It's impossible.
              I already realized my mistake, and apologized to the author.
              1. 3x3zsave April 26 2020 16: 54 New
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                Everything is fine. It happens. Thank. hi
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                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Everything is fine. It happens. thank

                  drinks
    2. kalibr April 26 2020 15: 44 New
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      Dear Konstantin! Well, do you really think that I have not seen this software? After a series of articles on PP around the world ... And - yes, he has a pen at a right angle and this is bad. I took my angle for a long time and therefore I have it sitting like a glove. And it’s very convenient to clean and push the butt. But the Germans he was constant ...
      1. Catfish April 26 2020 16: 32 New
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        Vyacheslav hi and you didn’t suspect you of not knowing the subject. Just at the first glance at your prototype, this notorious “Erma” immediately appeared. That's all. smile drinks
  • veritas April 26 2020 08: 50 New
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    The design of the submachine gun was calculated on the fact that both right-handed and left-handed people could easily use it.

    The design is terrible.
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      The design is terrible.

      Outwardly it may be, but to hold it in your hands and aim is very convenient.
  • sen
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    The standard dagger bayonet is attached to the cylindrical protrusion on the lower guide and on the latch, and it is horizontal so that it fits between the ribs without problems

    In fact, they usually inject into the stomach.
    In the magazine "Weapon" I read that the bayonet of special forces are usually used to create a threat to protect against "home" when they take the militant from home.
    1. garri-lin April 26 2020 11: 10 New
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      In a tight concrete room, with 5,45 in the barrel I would prefer a bayonet. Fearing ricochets.
  • Undecim April 26 2020 08: 56 New
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    Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich, Samsonov’s laurels, as a generator of all delirium, do not give you peace. Only he scoffs at history, and you are at arms. Moreover, the inventor’s complete lack of technical knowledge (do not be offended, but this is a fact), as well as the inventor’s complete confidence that they are not needed, allows you to create projects that are generally divorced from reality. It can also be said with almost absolute certainty that if there was an opportunity to translate this "miracle weapon" into metal, excuse me - plastic, "it would kill its creator.
    Let's start with the concept: " And it follows from the current trend towards the unification of production. That is, if a large part of it is transferred to the level of computer production, then the weapon itself must be produced at the same factories as computers. "
    To begin with, computer production is not the production of computers, it is production, any, including weapons, on which computers are used to control equipment and the technological process.
    As for the idea of ​​producing weapons and computers at one factory, only the question to the Armenian radio comes to mind about whether it is possible to love a mare on the go. “You can,” the Armenian radio replied. "You just have to kiss far run."
    Well, a little about the "wunderwaffe."
    Trunks are rifled, but since they are, in fact, disposable, they use the cheapest metal.
    Both disposable and reusable trunks will not differ greatly in size, since the dimensions of the trunk are not determined by the resource. and the gas pressure generated by the shot. Given that the specific gravity of both cheap and expensive has become the same, you get a block of trunks, eight times heavier than one "traditional" barrel, metal consumption is eight times more. And given the disposability, metal consumption is difficult to imagine.
    Now to the sleeve outside the barrel. If you saw the barrel, then it has such a part as a chamber, in which the maximum wall thickness. This is in order to withstand the gas pressure that is created when fired. That is, if you place a sleeve with a charge outside the chamber, its walls should be like that of the chamber itself, otherwise it will break. That is, instead of a thin-walled sleeve, you have to weld thirty-two chamber chambers to eight barrels, and you can’t get rid of cheap metal here, you need to ensure strength.
    In total, we have a disposable block of eight barrels and thirty-two cartridge cases.
    The weight of this “unit” can be calculated, but even without calculations it is clear that this will be more than one kilogram.
    And throw all this metal after thirty-two shots? Or collect and hand over for remelting?
    And how much will the carrying ammunition weigh? Or will the second number be worn?
    As for the cooling system "Lewis". You forgot to drill holes on the opposite side, because the cooling will not work.
    Given that the axis of the barrels does not coincide with the axis of the weapon, firing accuracy will be low. dispersion is high, so in addition to the criminal you will kill a certain number of civilians who are not guilty of anything.
    Well, a bayonet on a police weapon is completely unnecessary. Unless cut the sausage for a snack. Or seppuku do. In addition, in order to use the bayonet effectively, the weapon must have certain dimensions.
    And the last. When you press the shutter release button on one of the handles, the microwave generator generates a pulse
    The underworld, using bribery and torture, learns the parameters of a microwave radiation generator and creates a similar, only more powerful. As a result of its use, all police weapons are controlled by criminals and shoots regardless of the owner’s desire. Apocalypse!
    In a word, Vyacheslav Olegovich, write about the story.
    1. kalibr April 26 2020 08: 57 New
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      You forgot to drill holes on the opposite side, because the cooling will not work.

      How do you know that they are not there? Not visible in the photo ...
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        The fact that they are not visible in the photo does not matter. I know not. And the casing should be longer than the barrels and have a certain configuration for the injection to work. Otherwise, it will not cool, but simply stagger weapons in different directions.
        1. kalibr April 26 2020 15: 22 New
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          I know not.

          Hold me completely stupid, ah-ah, Viktor Nikolaevich ... But you must have read my article about Lewis here in due time.
          1. Undecim April 27 2020 11: 44 New
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            Hold me completely stupid, ah-ah, Viktor Nikolaevich ..
            Nothing of the kind. It’s just that you have knowledge gaps in those areas where you have a creative itch.
    2. kalibr April 26 2020 15: 23 New
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      The underworld, using bribery and torture, learns the parameters of a microwave radiation generator and creates a similar, only more powerful.

      Good idea!
      1. cat Rusich April 26 2020 19: 33 New
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        I can offer a stun gun instead of a bayonet good
  • Ded_Mazay April 26 2020 09: 36 New
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    Ooh, and I made such models of futuristic small arms in the country at the workbench. At the age of ten ...
    1. kalibr April 26 2020 17: 59 New
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      in the country at the workbench he made

      In the country at the workbench this can not be done. Especially in 10 years.
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        I assure you, there was such an avant-garde and futurism that now and in a bad dream I would not dream. laughing
        Essentially speaking, I have only one question for you. Here you write: "... but everything is calculated so that at a distance of 200 m the aiming point coincides with the axis of the cartridge itself." It’s fine, of course, that “everything is calculated”, but doesn’t it seem to you that the line of sight, for the formation of the “aiming point”, at the indicated distance should coincide with the path of the bullet, and not the axis of the cartridge?
  • gvozdan April 26 2020 09: 47 New
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    The bayonet knife into the police machine gun smiled. What’s not a flamethrower with a bayonet chainsaw?
  • Region-25.rus April 26 2020 09: 58 New
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    with all due respect, but answer - on-hr-na? !!!
    1. agond April 26 2020 11: 02 New
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      The author made from what was at hand, but many would like to do something like this, the author should not stop in his search and continue. create .., for example, a long time ago I know how to make the shutter easier, better, ten times cheaper than Baryshev’s shutter, but it’s forbidden for us to do this, and if we were in the states, for example, we would give money and people to check and give a residence permit , there from the inventors as flies are not shrugged off.
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        What prevents you from selling your "knowledge" to any American company? For this, you do not need to leave the house. Or are you a patriot?
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    Mother is my woman. I didn’t even read. Self-isolation was clearly not good for the man.
  • mivmim April 26 2020 10: 47 New
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    Funny plastic sewer pipes caused such a heated discussion. laughing
  • garri-lin April 26 2020 10: 52 New
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    And the eternal question. Alignment of trunks. This is very difficult to achieve. And not even just alignment, but so that the bullets at the distance of the actual shooting go along one path
    1. Slavs April 26 2020 13: 32 New
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      The author probably knows how to accurately shoot from a meat grinder ... There are also many holes there ... Heavy fire ... For the police ... Inspires ...
  • Ros 56 April 26 2020 11: 16 New
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    The author made laugh, and if this shit is torn out of his hands, there is something to grab hold of and a lever to create. Try to capture PM so close up.
  • Crimea26 April 26 2020 11: 26 New
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    Scanners, sensors, piezoelectric elements, microchips ...... Not too "cool" for a simple baton?
    1. Slavs April 26 2020 13: 26 New
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      Yeah .. Simple and cheap police weapons .. It's not me, this is the author said so ...
  • bubalik April 26 2020 11: 30 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, what a manic love for goggles laughing or in Penza the sun is like in Texas tongue
    1. Kalmar April 26 2020 11: 47 New
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      Probably a lot of people are sitting at the computer. Dry eye syndrome, then in the sun is really not really nice without glasses.
    2. Phil77 April 26 2020 15: 29 New
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      And the eyepieces are pretty good !!! * RAY BAN *? laughing good
    3. Phil77 April 26 2020 16: 19 New
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      Sergey! Amendment, in California! good
      The film takes place there.
      1. bubalik April 26 2020 16: 28 New
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        ,,, let it go in California, these glasses stick everywhere, from this fighting capacity is better or what? recourse they give +30 accuracy? wassat
  • Kalmar April 26 2020 11: 45 New
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    And reliable "pieces of iron" will be declared weapons of terrorists and their very presence in a person or country will be equated with crime and international terrorism. That is, a drone will fly in and the owner of such a piece of iron will slam without trial.

    Damn, you need to urgently put a thermal imager with a ballistic calculator and a retina scanner on your Saiga, otherwise I will be punished by an evil drone once))
  • Sancho_SP April 26 2020 12: 24 New
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    Fantasy itself is cool. All small arms that are being tried on today owe their old appearance and ergonomics to a long tradition. Non-standard layout options simply do not go beyond the scope of projects, because their optimization will require a lot of resources.

    But, in the case of the police, a classic metal storm with a rubber bullet and a variable charge power would be more relevant (how exactly is an interesting engineering question). The very idea of ​​an electronically controlled metal storm allows you to reliably protect the gun from being used by third parties, and the ability to instantly change the energy (from the spot to scare) at a short distance will allow you to use the weapon in any situation
  • About 2 April 26 2020 12: 35 New
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    In the modern police of Russia, and so many points are heather and cedar and points 20000 and a chestnut seem to have appeared somewhere. And all these points in their ergonomics will be much better compared to the poker in the photo.
  • Andrey VOV April 26 2020 12: 42 New
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    To be honest ... some kind of fucking .... from films about the future ...
  • zvonix April 26 2020 13: 02 New
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    The design is top class. In terms of practicality - shit.
  • Slavs April 26 2020 13: 19 New
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    “But what about the“ impulse ”, well, the one from the nuclear explosion, which the supporters of the good old iron love to talk about? Yes, pah, it! Firstly, there is protection, and secondly, it’s not relevant for the police.”

    Not relevant? Are the goals for the NWF a barren desert?

    "That is, a drone will fly in and the owner of such a piece of iron will slam without trial."

    Well, your attitude towards the country and people is clear from your articles))

    "a submachine gun is the police’s well-tested weapon in the past"

    To increase the fire of infantry units at close range ...
    And is this product just for the police? For faculty? Have you seen the dimensions of this contraption? )))

    "shoot gas and thermobaric grenades (this is the situation!), and conduct heavy fire at the target. So that, say, the terrorists who sat outside the window could not even pry their nose into it, while special forces soldiers would run to this very window."

    For the police? Learn the functions, powers of the police .. Or for counter-terrorism units? There is no need ..
    Grenades ... Terrorists ... A bayonet for police weapons is also an interesting idea ... Have you decided yourself or was there a task from the Penza Department of Internal Affairs ??

    Plank (not plate) Picatinny ... NATO standard, has a T-shaped profile ... You have something wrong .. Weaver?
    High location of sighting devices relative to the channel ... Trunks ?? Alignment .. Replaceable cartridge ... Shoot after each cartridge change ??

    Vyacheslav Olegovich, do what you can do well ... Take care of the past of your country, earn money in foreign publishers ... You considered it below your dignity to serve military service in due time ... But you come up with a weapon ... Which in hands did not hold, well, the same, iron ..
    1. kalibr April 26 2020 18: 45 New
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      Which did not hold in hands, well, the same, iron ..

      Look at the profile, there are many articles where in the photo I just hold a variety of weapons. Here is a photo with the shooting, but I had to ...
      1. Slavs April 26 2020 19: 05 New
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        To hold and have experience in using things are different ... This is when - thanks, dear, that I did not fail ...
        Yes, not all designer-gunsmiths went through the war ... But they have a specialized education (now) or talent (there are nuggets) ...
        But when a PR man invents an arms system ....
        Although now self-expression is fashionable ... No, not so .. It's cool ... Keep up with the times ..
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          Quote: Slavs
          It's cool ... Keeping up with the times ..

          Well, you read the article, Sergey. It also says how and why. And for what will be later ...
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          But when a PR man invents an arms system ....

          If you think, Sergey, you will understand that this also makes sense!
  • Amateur April 26 2020 13: 34 New
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    Mr. V. Shpakovsky note:

    Revolver Webley Mk. VI, 1916. Inventors with perverse fantasies were before. drinks
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      Quote: Amateur
      Mr. V. Shpakovsky note:

      Revolver Webley Mk. VI, 1916. Inventors with perverse fantasies were before. drinks

      Well then, and NRS2 perversion is not better ..
      http://zonwar.ru/xolodnoe/knife_gun.html
  • 16112014nk April 26 2020 14: 11 New
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    Weapons, like airplanes, should be beautiful. And it’s as if they’ve banged an ax. And in general, do the police have enough weapons? About people on "self-isolation" you need to think more.
    1. agond April 26 2020 14: 32 New
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      I know how to make the shutter simpler, better, ten times cheaper than the Baryshev shutter ..... there (in the states) they don’t brush off inventors from flies.

      And we have .... they immediately put the cons, then what do we want?
  • Shadow April 26 2020 14: 45 New
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    Oh, well, the gardens are fenced. But ordinary police to drive the punks, the usual PM will be enough for the eyes, and any gendarmerie-Rosguard should not invent anything better than a combined-arms machine.
  • Hwostatij April 26 2020 15: 23 New
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    Does it aim like when shooting from this device? Do you need to push the butt in the belly, or have an eye like a crab on a stalk?
    1. kalibr April 26 2020 18: 05 New
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      Aiming is very convenient. There will be more photos ...
      1. Slavs April 26 2020 19: 12 New
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        Where will you get with 8 barrels, high-mounted sights and a short aiming line ...?
        1. kalibr April 26 2020 19: 30 New
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          Quote: Slavs
          short line of sight ...?

          Is she short?
          1. Pushkowed April 27 2020 06: 08 New
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            Is she short?
            For PP - normal. But here is her height ...
            Point by point:
            1) In police practice, it is relatively rarely necessary to “water” an enemy with dense fire to suppress, adjusting this fire “according to the signs of a fall”. More often, there is a need to make 1 shot at a distance from several meters to several tens of meters, but at the same time hit a target the size of somewhere with a head target (or even less). Moreover, it is highly desirable to get on the first try (most likely there will be no second chance).

            2) The sighting line of the proposed sample above the trunk line is about 25cm. In addition, there are several trunks, the extreme of which are spaced vertically and horizontally somewhere 5cm apart. The described electronic control system does not provide for the choice of which barrel to shoot from - top, bottom or side. Result - the average hit point (STP) will shift very much depending on the firing range. I read somewhere that the American SWAT team complains that the height of the sighting line of the M4 (only about 6 cm) shifts the STP down at the same distance at ultra-short distances when fighting indoors, so they have to adapt. And the proposed sample - almost 5 times more. Aiming at a bandit - you will be taken hostage.

            3) If you “shoot” the proposed sample at some fixed range (for example, 25 meters), then at other ranges the excess (decrease) of the trajectory will differ very sharply. Roughly speaking, at 40 meters - plus 18cm; at 25 meters - 0cm; at 15 meters - minus 12cm; on 1 meter - minus 30cm (calculation very rude because there is no data on the ballistics of bullets - conventionally took a straight line, but the spread is still very clear). For comparison, PM: -2,5cm @ 40m; 0cm @ 25m; + 0,3cm @ 15m (this real data from the manual); Well, conditionally take 0cm @ 1m. As the saying goes, feel the difference. The shooter must very well determine the distance in order to know where to aim from the proposed PP sample.

            4) You can try to compensate for the spread of the trajectories with some kind of “smart” sight (such as a collimator with an integrated laser range finder) that automatically changes the position of the aiming mark depending on the range over which it is pointed. But here is its own trap: the rangefinder measured the range - the brand has shifted; the shooter combined the mark with the aiming point - the position of the weapon has changed, and now the range finder is aimed at another point, the mark is shifted again, and so on ... An endless cycle. You can add a button with the conditional function "range measurement completed, fix the mark", but the ability to shoot at moving targets is lost. And in a fleeting battle, there may not be time for such manipulations.

            5) And the physical dimension of the sight? In order for the rearrangement of the sight to compensate for such wild lowering of the trajectory (tens of centimeters at several meters), the height of the rear sighting line (or the height of the collimator eyepiece) should be commensurate with the height of the aiming line.

            6) Nobody canceled the natural dispersion of bullets (each barrel has its own). Disposability (more precisely, four times) of the trunks does not make it possible to pre-test and shoot them. Low barrel survivability (4 shots) and the cheapness of their material means a serious change in ballistic characteristics after each shot. In addition, the bullets in the trunks sit one after another, so for each of them a different barrel length is obtained. The result will be a very low accuracy. Multiplied by the distance between the trunks. In police practice, this means a huge risk of defeating uncomplicated persons.

            7) The 32-charge cartridge has dimensions and mass is significantly larger than a regular 32-charge PP magazine. The shooter will be able to carry less ammunition. The cylindrical shape of the cartridge means the incomplete use of volume (the presence of voids) during transportation. Isn't it better to make a cartridge of rectangular or square section? The barrels are still cylindrical, so between them there will be free space for powder charges and control systems.
            1. kalibr April 27 2020 07: 47 New
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              The fact that you wrote everything is very correct and smart. I am sincerely grateful to you that you were not too lazy to do all this. Moreover, I ask permission to use your comment in another article on the same PP. Can? So far, the only thing I know, and what I can say in response, is that you are completely right about the shape of the cartridge. And I had an article about a 21st century rifle and there it was square. But here ... water pipes and fasteners were at hand, but square ones had to be done ... three pieces. Well, laziness has become ...
              Yes, different barrel lengths are compensated by different powder charges. Electronic dispenser can easily cope with this. Therefore, the speed of the bullets will be approximately the same despite the different barrel lengths.
              1. Pushkowed April 27 2020 08: 23 New
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                Moreover, I ask permission to use your comment in another article on the same PP. Can?
                Yes to health! I'm glad that at least something helped.
  • Andrey VOV April 26 2020 16: 24 New
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    Quote: Brylevsky
    People see everything and your murky illusion

    What do they see, let me ask?

    yes, the fact that you are rotten and the first-rate demagogue, you work abroad, it seems that it’s passing, but we would have been quick to tell you ... a sailor. 8 he immediately wants to get rid of PM ... while according to the law you can do everything on the straps cut .... balabol
  • cat Rusich April 26 2020 19: 31 New
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    I criticize the PP "Universal Police Weapon" - PP UOP. Sights are too high, with a firing range of 200m, the line of the aiming bar should be located at an angle to the axis of the barrel, which will be visible to the eye, and not parallel to the barrel - when firing from behind cover you will have to stick out in your waist. I advise the "designer" of the PP UOP to place the replaceable barrel block just above the butt (as an example of AK), fold the butt on its side (left and right - universal mount). Sights are just slightly above the axis of the barrel block. It will look like PP "Bison", only a screw store will be instead of the barrel, presented? Instead of a bayonet I recommend - a stun gun, the most suitable for the police.
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      Thank! This will be taken into account in the following sample ...
  • the47th April 26 2020 20: 39 New
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    And today is not even the first of April ...
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      On April XNUMX of next year it will be worse than this, I promise!
  • bk0010 April 26 2020 21: 09 New
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    Design from a series of rectal removal of the glands.
    For the police, weapons do not have to be cheap at all: they need not so much already and they are operated in a very sparing mode. Weapons for the police can be made cheaper by reducing climate and resource requirements, but the idea of ​​losing unification with army weapons does not look attractive and not the fact that everything in total (taking into account production costs) will come out cheaper due to the smaller series.
    The main thing we need for police weapons is to make some kind of combination lock on it or another fuse on the other side of the receiver: when I meet groups of cops with AKSU in the subway, I catch myself thinking that they are alive exclusively because that only good people who don’t want to kill them walk by. They hold the machine at the back so that anyone can come up, remove the fuse, turn the shutter and put the whole outfit on, and the owner of the machine cannot really stop him. This must be somehow "hardware" prevented.
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  • Tests April 27 2020 10: 07 New
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    Andrei VOV (Andrei), Kote pane Kokhanka (Vladislav), dear, my PM from 1988 to 1997 was ST 3856 1961 release. Never failed and hit great. It’s really simple, reliable, convenient. True, the cartridge was worn in the chamber, and the full magazine was in the handle ... And an open-air shot did not always clear the brains of boobies, especially in the taiga when the wind was noisy in the branches. The automatic queue from AKM to air - it, of course, is more effective in the psyche, especially if a couple of branches of a bullet are cut down ...
  • ivanneger April 27 2020 11: 22 New
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    This is how much smoke you need ...
    1. kalibr April 27 2020 13: 32 New
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      Quote: ivanneger
      This is how much smoke you need ...

      Enviously, huh? You have to smoke a lot, and mostly Partagas cigars, such dark ones. Highly recommend!
      1. Undecim April 27 2020 14: 02 New
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        And whose Partagás do you like, Habanos or General Cigar?
        1. kalibr April 27 2020 18: 17 New
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          The manufacturer has never paid attention to the company, as well as the Crown of Coronas cigars from Cuba. Cuban and Cuban ...
          1. Undecim April 27 2020 19: 39 New
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            Do not be offended, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but in cigars you are clearly not a connoisseur.
            Partagas from Habanos are Cuban, and Partagas from General Cigar are Dominican. Totally different taste.
            Among other things, Partagas produces many different varieties, and there is a very serious difference between them both in taste and price. For the price - by orders of magnitude.
            As for Corona - this is not a variety or a company - this is a cigar format. moreover, one of the oldest, classic. Dimensions corona - 5 1/2 - 6 ”x 0.42 in inches or = 13,9-15,2 x 1,67 in cm.
            At the same time, they can be made anywhere, in any country producing cigars.
            In Cuba, there was a La Corona brand, but their production was stopped.
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              Very interesting ... I still have a box from those cigars from my student years. "Crown of Coronas" 25 pieces in a box!
  • Grif April 27 2020 15: 51 New
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    What kind of ugliness?
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    The plumber left the extra pipes and voila! He made a promising police machine gun. With a bayonet "that would be between the ribs." The horror that self-isolation does ....
  • Yurahip April 28 2020 20: 13 New
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    Russian Interior Ministry: We did not call a plumber! stop