Pirates under escort. Russian Navy against the "black" operations of foreign intelligence services

The problems that Russia has with the naval fleet, should not block us from how much we still need it. And it’s best to prove it with concrete examples.


The example of the role of the fleet in the Syrian war was not the only one, it was simply the largest. For contrast, it is worth referring to the “small” example of a single small-scale operation, in which Russia could not do without the Navy, and a failure in which would potentially be fraught with grave consequences.

It's about stories, is still full of mysteries: the seizure and release of the Arctic Sea bulk carrier.

Pirates under escort. Russian Navy against the "black" operations of foreign intelligence services

TFR "Ladny" - the ship that "put an end" in the hijacking.


How it all began


21 July 2009, the Uglegorsk-class cargo ship, then named the Arctic Sea, left the Finnish port of Pietarsaari with a cargo of timber for Algeria. The vessel was supposed to reach the port of Bejaia 4 August. Everything went normally, as usual.

24 July in 2 hours 10 minutes in the wheelhouse broke people with weapons. They were armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and pistols. Later it turned out that they had boarded an inflatable boat that had caught up with the vessel in the neutral waters of the Baltic. The attackers tied up the crew, incidentally beating all those who resisted, and one of the crew members had their teeth knocked out by a machine gun butt.


Arctic Sea cargo ship


The attackers explained, expressing in English with a strong accent, that they were from the Swedish drug police. One of them even wore a badge with the word Polis (“Police” in Swedish), but it was clear that this was not the police. No police work that way.

The crew was tied up and locked in cabins.

Further events resembled a bad fighter. The invaders forced the crew to lead the ship bypassing Europe - where it was supposed to go. When the July 28 Strait in Pas-de-Calais required contact with the UK Coast Guard, the crew was forced to do so. After the passage of the Pas-de-Calais, the vessel continued to move around Europe, and its AIS terminal was disconnected in the Bay of Biscay. The ship is gone.

Later, 3 of August (according to press data “fresh” at that time, the day before, but it doesn’t matter), the owner of the Finnish company Solchart, owning the vessel, was called by Russian citizen Viktor Matveyev by someone who said that he ( ) and his 25 "soldier" seized the vessel, and if they did not receive a ransom, they would start killing crew members. It became clear that the ship was not just lost, but that it had been captured, and there were hostages on board. The amount of the ransom was 1,5 million dollars. Similar requirements were transferred to the cargo owner, a Russian company. The company appealed to the FSB.

4 August ship did not show up at port of destination.

11 August 2009, Matveev made a statement to the press, from which it followed that the vessel had a panic button broken, emergency buoys were stolen, and that he had turned to the Russian Foreign Ministry. Soon the information reached the very top. The next day, 12 in August, the Kremlin’s press service announced that President Dmitry Medvedev had instructed Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to take steps to search for the cargo ship. By that time, the order to begin the search for the Arctic Sea had already diverged among the performers.

So, those who were to stop the development of this drama entered the arena.

From solo voyage to fighting “pirates”


The only force capable of finding a stolen cargo ship somewhere in the oceans was the Russian Navy.

The sailors had little information. The point at which the AIS turned off was known. The speed with which the ship could go from this point was clear. It was clear how much fuel and water were on board, and how long the Arctic Sea could be at sea. Navy intelligence carefully analyzed data from the marine aviation and from naval auxiliary vessels at sea, from the power structures of foreign states. So, the Spanish Coast Guard reported that the cargo ship did not pass the Strait of Gibraltar, which means that it was not worth looking for it in the Mediterranean Sea. NATO was also looking for a ship, including from the air. Slowly, hour after hour, the search area narrowed. At a certain point, it turned out to be small enough to be combed out by a warship.

Fortunately, such a ship near the desired area was. It turned out to be the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship "Ladny".



A few days before the events described, “Ladny” calmly followed the Strait of Gibraltar with the goal of later turning north and joining the forces of the Navy, which were to participate in the “West-2009” strategic exercises. The ship was commanded by the captain of the 2 rank Alexander Schwartz. On board was a group of senior officers of the Black Sea Fleet, including deputy commander of a division of surface ships of the captain 1 rank Igor Smolyak and chief of staff of the brigade of anti-submarine ships captain 1 rank Oleg Shastov. On board the "Ladny" was a detachment of marines under the command of Senior Lieutenant Ruslan Satdinov.

The ship was not far from Gibraltar when the order came - to look for a cargo ship. According to Navy intelligence, “Ladny” should not have turned north, as it was envisaged by the march plan, but south, into the relatively unknown for Black Sea coastal areas of the central Atlantic, where none of the “Ladny” crew had been before.

And already August 14 "Ladny" already was not far from the stolen cargo ship.

Two days later, "Ladny" was able to catch up with the Arctic Sea. On the night of 16 on 17 in August, 300 miles from Cape Verde, in the tropical night darkness, "Ladny" got close to the cargo ship. There was a requirement to stop the car and go to the drift. The wife of the car thief Dmitriy Savin (Savins) later claimed that her husband had called her and said that the Russians were threatening to open fire if the ship did not stop. According to Russian data, “Ladny” used only a pair of red signal flares.

And here the invaders threw out the focus - they introduced themselves as the North Korean ship Jon Jin 2. The man who spoke with “Ladny” even imitated a Korean accent. But the commander of the "Ladny" did not believe in this view, contacted the General Staff of the Navy and reported. In Moscow, with the help of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we quickly managed to contact representatives of the DPRK and find out where the ship with this name really is. It turned out that it is in a completely different place. This information, as well as the description of the North Korean ship, was transmitted to the Ladny. Although illumination flares were launched from “Okay” to inspect the vessel that had stopped, the night did not allow to examine it in detail, but at dawn it immediately became clear that it was not “Korean” - neither the size nor the number of cranes corresponded to the description of the Korean vessel. And the letters that spelled the name on the board were uneven, were not on the same level, and there were some non-standard ones, as if they were hurriedly applied. The overtaken cargo ship itself was like one-on-one Arctic Sea.


Jon Jin 2. The invaders of the Arctic Sea tried to pretend to be this vessel.


During the morning of August 17 followed a new round of negotiations. The commander of the “Ladny” understood that a full-fledged assault on the cargo ship would not be easy - there was no helicopter on board the TFR, he could not carry it, and the Marines couldn’t send such things to him, although they were more or less well prepared. In addition, they were banal enough. Negotiations looked much more profitable option.

And the Black Sea sailors managed to conceive. After lengthy negotiations, the pirates surrendered and accepted the requirements of the commander of the “Ladny” - to go down to the whaleboat together with the crew members, without arms, to wind white rags on their heads as an identifying mark and then surrender in this form.

Drama with the seizure of the ship over. On the same day, A. Serdyukov reported to D. Medvedev that the cargo ship was released.

From the comment of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation No. 1272-25-08-2009:
On August 18, the Russian embassy in Cape Verde requested permission for the guard ship Ladny to enter the territorial waters of the Republic of Cape Verde in the region of Fr. Sal, and on the same day permission was obtained. 19 August around 12: 00 hours local time, the ship arrived and stood in the roads at about. Sal.

In order to transport 11 crew members and 8 detainees from board the patrol ship to Moscow for further investigative actions at the airport on. Sal 17 August and on the night of 18 on 19 August two military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force Il-76 arrived. On board was an investigative team and a division of the Russian military.

Official permission was received from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cape Verde, and by 19: 00 19 of August all eight detainees and eleven crew members were sent aboard a military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force. On the same day in 21: 00 and in 22: 00 local time, the military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force flew to Moscow, where they arrived in the morning of August 20.

On the night of August 20, Cape Verde also abandoned the guard ship “Ladny”, which was heading towards the Atlantic Ocean drifting in the 250 miles southwest of Cape Verde, the Arctic Sea. On board of the latter are four crew members to carry the watch and several soldiers from the patrol ship "Ladny" in order to escort.


Further events are described in the press - frankly, the leadership of the Russian Federation and law enforcement agencies after the brilliant release of the ship by the warship of the Black Sea Fleet did not act brilliantly, showing insufficient organizational skills. It got to the bankruptcy of the shipowner. But the main thing (the release of the ship and the seizure of the hijackers) has already been done.

And this was done by the crew of the TFR “Ladny”.


Already in Cape Verde. Marine with "Ladny" escorts pirate


Concluding the story about the actions of the Navy in this story, let us say that the return of the Arctic Sea back to the line, its supply and transfer to the Mediterranean were also provided by ships and vessels of the Navy - SMT Iman, sea tugs and Ladny itself.

Black ops in the Baltic, or A little about what it was


The investigation could not fully reveal who was behind the hijackers. They themselves told crazy versions that did not correlate with reality. Thus, it is obvious that the gang was used "in the dark." They knew a minimum, allowing them to carry out the seizure and hijacking of the vessel, but, apparently, they did not know what to do next. According to the Sunday Times, which interviewed members of the crew of the stolen cargo ship, the gangsters planned to leave the ship for several days from the moment of capture and prepared a lifeboat for this. According to the same crew member, when “Ladny” caught up with the Arctic Sea, the bandits were already broken and understood that this was the end. Apparently, therefore, there was no assault.

Nevertheless, the investigation was able to establish one of the organizers of the seizure. It turned out to be the former head of the Security Coordination Office of Estonia (Estonian secret service) Eerik-Nijles Cross. At the start of 2012, Cross was put on the international wanted list. However, there is a versionthat he, too, was used "in the dark."

And then the pirates began to confess. And one of them, a citizen of Latvia Dmitry Savin, who later received seven years for piracy, issued the name of the customer of the seizure of a dry cargo vessel - the former chief of the Security Coordination Bureau Eric-Niels Cross.

Crosses framed on request from Moscow

Cross and Savin owned small shares in the shipping company Pakri Tankers - approximately 5%. Of course, they had revenues, but they did not seem to cover the costs. And once, Cross allegedly told Savin that they could make good money together. The scenario is as follows: Cross reports a cargo ship carrying expensive weapons, and Savin is preparing a crew to seize the ship and deliver the weapon to the intended buyer. It is here that the figure of the former chief of Capo Alex Dressen reappears in history. The fact is that none other than Dressin, and informed his former colleague Cross about the Iranian C-300 on board the cargo ship. According to Dressen, he had a buyer. It was a matter of little - to seize the vessel and take him to the place of the future transaction.

On this very spot, Cross also turned from an Estonian intelligence officer who had so bored Moscow into an international pirate. Of course, Dressen knew perfectly well that there are no and cannot be any C-300 aboard the Arctic Sea. He also knew that Cross would never doubt the information provided by such a high-ranking person. And Cross willingly swallowed the bait, for nothing that prepared his famous British and American intelligence. To the great joy of Russian intelligence.

Of course, Estonian authorities are aware of the role of Dressin in the dirty story with the pirate-cross Cross, now, after the failure of the former chief of KaPo. For this reason, Tallinn conducted its trial of Cross, and Estonian prosecutor Lovely Lepp and MP Marco Mihkelson took the side of the former intelligence chief. In the end, Cross was found not guilty, which, however, had no effect on Russian claims and the abolition of his international search. Cross substitute? To a certain extent, yes. But after all, Cross, and no one else, was behind the pirate seizure of the Arctic Sea, having been tempted by easy money.


Here, however, it is necessary to make a remark. Cross, of course, using his old connections in the structures, could provide Savina with a weapon and give all the necessary information. However, when Savin and his gang found nothing but timber on board, they had to leave. The idea of ​​receiving a ransom as a result of a pirate seizure of a ship in Europe was supposed to alarm the "pirates". In addition, it is known that they could not even give any details for which it would be necessary to transfer the ransom.

In addition, the very idea that this Cross was so annoying to “Moscow” that it was dealt with in such an intricate (to put it mildly) way, gives away madness. Everything could have been done much more simply - even if we believed that from the point of view of experts in “secret wars” a clown (let's call things by their proper names) really could annoy someone. It is necessary to separate the facts from the interpretations yet.


Allegedly, the central role of Cross raises doubts. Although he is definitely involved


What we know for sure.

The organizer of the seizure (visible) was, apparently, the former high-ranking head of the Estonian special services Eerik Cross. Cross previously had extensive experience working with Americans, including in Iraq. He recruited performers who had no previous experience in this kind of affairs. But they easily coped with the seizure of the vessel. If someone does not understand the significance of this fact, then let him try to “drive” a ship on a motorboat on the high seas (even seeing him at the AIS terminal), secretly approach the board and climb onto it with a weapon while on the move. Note that the boat had to somehow get there, like a weapon. All of this suggests that the pirates were somewhere just a little bit, but they trained before going "on business" and organized their transfer to neutral waters with a boat and a weapon. And this requires resources that the retired Cross could not possess. Further, the episode described by the crew members with the plans of the invaders to leave the ship. From the side it looks as if the hijackers “on the move” were given a new introduction, moreover, so that it was absolutely impossible to refuse. What was the introduction and who gave it?

Further, the ship followed to the region from where it actually had only two roads - either to Africa or to the Western Hemisphere. Where did he go? Why exactly there?

Well, the end of the chase was marked by the complete loss by the bandits of the meaning of what they were doing, which determined their voluntary surrender to the Russian Navy. From the outside, this is a great reminder of the loss of communication with the organizers - the gangsters could simply be "abandoned" by those who had previously conducted them, which led to ridiculous wanderings across the Atlantic until the fuel and water were almost completely spent.

Further, the story was "let out a smoke" - to this day the version about involvement in the hijacking of the Israeli special services roams from one source to another. But it is “framed” so idiotically that it is impossible to believe in it, in the way that the press presents it. The theory that Russian rockets were allegedly sent to Iran from Finland, allegedly shoved into ballast tanks (!), Also, to put it mildly, does not shine with consistency and slimness.

We still do not really know what it was. And we will not know at least until Eerik Cross is questioned in the UK, and maybe even after.

But one thing is absolutely clear: when such informational chaos occurs around some kind of armed action, this means that there is a special service behind the action, which knows how to confuse tracks well. A secret service capable of training a gang of terrorists, supplying it with automatic weapons, taking it to the right area of ​​the sea, disembarking a boat with weapons and ammunition, making it after the seizure of the vessel, when there is no way back, act on some other plan, and then confuse everything traces so that the ends are not found.

Capturing the vessel Arctic Sea was part of some kind of "black" operation, the full plan of which we can only guess. The operation, the organizers of which for some reason needed a dry cargo ship with a Russian crew, owned by a company controlled by a Russian citizen, for some reason, it was necessary to hijack it either to southern Africa or to the Western Hemisphere ... to do what? And one of the performers was the former head of one of the most pro-Western intelligence agencies in the world, who has experience working with Americans in Iraq.

These are facts. But Israel, searching for Iranian missiles in ballast tanks of a dry cargo ship that came out of Finland by Latvian unemployed forces, or Russia, who organized such a corps de ballet in order to kick an Estonian retiree tangled in finance and women, is just dust in the eyes.

This, by the way, does not mean that this secret service unknown to us was not Israeli, it means that the explanations of the press about Israel’s involvement are improbable - and this is not the same thing.

We do not know (do not know yet) who was behind the abduction of the cargo ship. We have no idea what would have happened if the organizers had what they had in mind, to the end. How many victims would there be? What would it be for our country? We do not know. But then we know who very convincingly put an end to the voyage of the Arctic Sea.

About Ladno and the Navy as a whole


TFR "Ladny", a combat ship of the 1135 project, even during construction, could not be attributed to the most modern ships, although it had a good HAK and a good anti-submarine missile system for those times. But the ship could not carry the helicopter, it could strike the surface ships either with anti-aircraft missiles or with the help of 76-mm guns, that is, at close range. He could never beat off massive air strikes. Storozhevik-anti-submarine with trimmed without a helicopter functionality.

Nevertheless, the ship turned out to be quite good - seaworthy, fast and with a good range, able to hunt submarines and shallow water near the shore, and in the far sea zone, and in the ocean too, albeit with an eye to excitement. These ships have long been the "workhorses" of the Soviet Navy, and after the Russian Federation.

The task that Ladny received in August of 2009 was, to put it mildly, not his. Begin the ship's invaders to kill the hostages, the storming of the ship would be in question; there was no helicopter on Ladno from which it would be possible to crush the gangsters with machine-gun fire, as happened during the assault on the tanker Moscow University by marines. The Marines from Ladny would have to climb the ship from the boats, attacking a comparable-sized enemy, not much worse than an armed one. Then, when the cargo ship was released, the sailors, who provided the crew members with their berths, had to live in battle posts - there was no other place.

But another thing was important - firstly, this ship was. He was at the right time and place, on the way from one sea to another through the open ocean. Secondly, his commander, in one way or another, solved the task in an almost perfect way - nullifying the existing “Ladny” shortcomings, which speaks of the importance of training naval officers, and that sometimes their training turns out to be more important than the equipment they have Thirdly, and this is a very important point: “Ladny”, like all the “Stormers” of the 1135 project, is a very fast ship by modern standards, it is in principle one of the fastest ships with a displacement hull in the Navy. And one of the fastest warships in the world at the moment, so far. And fourthly, this is not the smallest ship, its displacement is 3200 tons, and the contours allow you to go with great excitement. Formally, being a ship of the far sea zone, it can mainly perform tasks in the ocean.

Apologists for the "mosquito fleet", "patrol ships" and the like are worth considering. No RTOs and similar trifles could catch up with the Arctic Sea. The “patrol ship” of the 22160 project could not catch him, moreover, he simply would not have been in that place at that time, if he had existed in those years - no one would have sent this misunderstanding to strategic exercises. And plus in the form of having a helicopter on board "would not play" in these conditions. The task would not be solved. And it was quite real, and there are no guarantees that in some variations it will not happen again in this or that region of the planet. What would we do with a fully coastal fleet in 2009? What will we do with it if in the future such a seizure happens again?

Moreover, if events happened differently, the “Ladny” superiority over the ships we are building now would be even more complete - at least, stopping a large ship with a pair of 76 millimeters is much easier than a single gun, let even 100-mm.

The history of the Arctic Sea once again confirms: we need a surface fleet, and it must be a fleet capable of performing tasks in the far sea and ocean zones. And we need more ships, even if outdated, but giving us the opportunity to always have at least an old TFR in the potential crisis zone. So, it is necessary to repair and modernize the old ships to the maximum and “pull” them until it becomes possible to replace them with new ones. And these new ones must be able to act far from home.

We can take such a lesson today from the history of the capture of the Arctic Sea bulk carrier. Even out of touch with the one who organized his capture in reality.
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  1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 05: 31 New
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    The company appealed to the FSB.

    And they would go to hell. They go under the flag of Malta, so let their problems be and Malta would solve.
    1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 05: 51 New
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      And yet, I don’t know how to say to the citizens of minusators that as long as we have state-owned companies and all the rest go under convenient flags, we will not have any strong Navy. So we will build coastal ships and develop the NSR, which, besides ourselves, very few people need.
      1. Bull Terrier 11 June 2019 07: 14 New
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        comfortable flags are used by 3/4 of the entire merchant fleet in the world. by tonnage.
        1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 07: 44 New
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          And even our companies with state capital, the same on 100% is the state-owned Sovcomflot and holds most of the ships under flags of convenience, and even has foreign registration.

          Not so easy.
          1. Bull Terrier 11 June 2019 08: 03 New
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            and what is their choice? starting with a purely economic when for example Mongolia takes ridiculous 3000 bucks for registering a ship?) or political reasons especially now. this is a warship under our flag, few will dare to rock the boat and a merchant? judging by what’s happening in the world, you can intervene decently.
            1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 09: 23 New
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              Quote: Bull Terrier
              and what is their choice? starting from a purely economic

              Under the convenient flags are registered those who want to pay less taxes. If our state companies have a register in the offshore, then what for I need such a state?
              1. Bull Terrier 11 June 2019 13: 52 New
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                I will repeat. 3/4 of the entire merchant fleet of the world. these are not our rules. this is how the world works. it's not just about taxes. China does that too. and there with taxes a little differently.
                1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 15: 25 New
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                  Quote: Bull Terrier
                  I repeat. 3 / 4 of the entire world merchant fleet. these are not our rules. so the world is arranged. it's not just about taxes.

                  What is the matter? About the fact that "the world is so arranged," you can not tell me, I already know that you are a cosmopolitan, who dreams of sending her daughters to London.
                  1. Bull Terrier 11 June 2019 15: 28 New
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                    why exactly to London?) I generally want them to see the world) and studies can be in England and China, and where else) depending on who they want to become) the world is big. and the reasons ... well, as an example. after 14 years, our office changed its registration to the Isle of Man. because it has become impossible to work effectively. situational reaction that we did not plan.
                    1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 15: 29 New
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                      Uh, you answer the first question.
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      it's not just about taxes

                      What else?
                      1. Bull Terrier 11 June 2019 15: 42 New
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                        business is not just sell buy. this is planning. these are the prospects. taxes are of course important and strong. if somewhere taxes are a hundred times less, it’s almost a headshot. you can overtake offshore if you cancel taxes to hell. how much does the ship cost? millions of american money. customs clearance. VAT. roughly speaking, give back to you every 20 percent spent on the purchase. and there it costs hundreds of times less. in hundreds. a penny in practice. and large states cannot do that. another option is sanctions. this is property protection. tomorrow they will adopt the next law so that they would not work with our ships. what's next? such a world. I would also like that to change. but so far so.
                      2. tihonmarine 13 June 2019 11: 21 New
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                        Most foreign countries do not charge VAT on ships, while Russia does. Why there are almost no fishermen in Murmansk, and in Kirkines the whole raid is full.
        2. Yura 11 June 2019 09: 50 New
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          Quote: Bull Terrier
          and what is their choice? starting from a purely economic

          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Not so easy.

          Make Russian Flag convenient for all this! Cheaper than the procedure, more ships under the Russian flag, certainly the state would have had no less money.
    2. Serg65 11 June 2019 13: 26 New
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      I want to do not know what time to say that while we have state-owned companies and everyone else flies under convenient flags, we will not have any strong Navy

      Vladimir, I'm afraid you have a heart attack Mikardo fellow there will be such a scar if you find out that under the Union, Soviet transport and shipping steamboats and passenger liners not only went under the freight, but also under the wrong flag (often under the Liberian flag)! And the Soviet Navy did not suffer much from this wink
      1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 15: 32 New
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        Vladimir, I'm afraid you have a heart attack Mikardo

        Already. laughing And the percentage can tell?
        1. Okolotochny 17 June 2019 10: 55 New
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          The percentage must be known in advance before placing "righteous and angry" posts.
    3. tihonmarine 13 June 2019 10: 52 New
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      I don’t understand what’s more convenient flag and pirates. For two years I changed four flags and three Registers, but nothing changed from that. They take a foreign flag so that the owner has some advantages in taxes, in the Register and in taking loans, as well as in picking the crew (this is just more suitable for Russian ships).
    4. Signalman17 15 June 2019 03: 58 New
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      If few people needed the NSR, there wouldn’t be so much screeching from amers on every corner about giving it international status ...
  2. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 07: 39 New
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    The crew consisted of Russian citizens, and the provocation, apparently, was preparing against Russia.
  3. Civil 11 June 2019 07: 50 New
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    According to the latest data, the ship was transporting 4 X-55 cruise missiles for Iran and there were also Metis-M and Kornet-E ATGMs intended for the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah.

    100 boxes, about 35 tons. Six boxes with a total weight of 5.5 tons contained 4 X-55 cruise missiles (without fuel and warheads) and related equipment, allowing them to be mounted on three Iranian Su-24s, converted in Russia in 2001-2004 as launching platforms X-55.

    All four cruise missiles are uniquely identified as those produced in the early 1980s in Kharkov, and their engines were made in Zaporozhye.

    Under President Kuchma, these cruise missiles were transferred to Russia as repayment of debt for gas supplied. The remaining 90 boxes with a total weight of about 30 tons contained ATGM Metis-M, Kornet-E, shots to them, as well as ammunition, light weapons and spare parts.

    In Algeria, an illegal smuggling logistics hub existed recently. The cargo should have been received by representatives of General Wahidi. They were supposed to transport it to the Syrian port of Latakia, from where the X-55 would proceed to Iran, and the rest of the cargo - to Lebanon to the Hezbollah terrorist organization.

    On August 2, in the Bay of Biscay, 6 boxes associated with the X-55 were seized, and the rest was on the ship at the time of its release. Then the cargo was opened and documented on video, ATGM numbers are fixed. So it was not the pirates who attacked the ship, but the special services.

    Z-S-300 PMU2 was not on board the vessel. There is a legal official contract between Russia represented by Rosoboronexport and Iran, partially paid by the Iranian side, for the supply of these air defense systems to Iran.

    One of the conditions for resolving the situation around the Arctic Sea was Medvedev’s promise to Israeli President Peres to refuse to fulfill this contract.


    Not everything is so simple comrades, there is such information. But our operation was certainly brilliant.
    1. sp77ark 11 June 2019 08: 59 New
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      That's where the hund gegraben! laughing laughing Mossad rules. X-55 was taken away, the rest was returned a trifle. A hint to the malware was to sit quietly during the detention.
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 13: 09 New
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        Particularly amusing in these conspiracy theories is that the Iranians bought X-55 in Ukraine a long time ago, and by the time the ship was seized, they had already finished their version for ground launch.
    2. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 11: 03 New
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      This is complete nonsense in fact, the Finns thoroughly checked the ship before leaving. There was nothing there.
      Algeria is a stable state in comparison with other Arab countries, there is one of the most inappropriate places for this kind of business.

      Nonsense is.

      Russia could eventually transport everything across the Caspian to Iran. In short, do not read all nonsense.
      1. tihonmarine 13 June 2019 10: 42 New
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        I don’t believe in Algeria; I have been there many times. The orders there are very cruel and the coast guard at altitude.
        1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 11: 20 New
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          Yes, I know, I do not need to tell
      2. Okolotochny 17 June 2019 10: 57 New
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        That's right. I already wrote to a science fiction writer - why, after half the world, drive a ship to Iran when Astrakhan or Makhachkala with minimal risk!
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      Intelligence agencies may be tied, but the "pirates" were from Estonia and Latvia. I was then a consultant on maritime issues with a columnist for Komsomolskaya Pravda, she met with the families of these pirates in Tallinn, one of them was a former boatswain sitting on the shore without work, the second young guy finished a sailor in Tallinn, but did not work at sea, the third either the homeless or the unemployed who served a term; the fourth has just been released from prison. I don’t know about Latvians. But these "pirates" show that they are recruited into the "dark", went from poverty to pirates, and most likely did not know much. Of course, capture could be used for political purposes. But until the end, the investigation did not establish a motive, although it may have established, but did not publish it in open media.
    4. tihonmarine 13 June 2019 11: 30 New
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      But our operation was certainly brilliant. [quote] [/ quote]
      Pirates marched from the Ålands island in the Baltic to the Cape Verde Islands. The fuel ran out, fresh water too, it was impossible to enter the port. Well, expect a day or two when the engine stalls or thirst torment. That’s the whole strategy and tactics, especially among the “pirates” only a couple of former ZKs, and the rest “scourges” or half homeless people, there would be no resistance from them.
  • 210ox 11 June 2019 06: 00 New
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    Thanks for the article and the correct conclusions in the end ..
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 07: 42 New
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      Please.
      1. Vladimir1155 11 June 2019 10: 14 New
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        as a specialist in geopolitics, I still put forward my version at that time. But the whole provocation is not the idea of ​​an unknown powerful intelligence agency, as it seems to Alexander, but just a crazy fantasy of an out-of-mind Estonian stupid Russophobe retiree. And that’s why, 1 there was no informational support in the form of STS, Reitar, etc. 2 The British could quite get on a ship under a convenient pretext and put the necessary missiles or Kalashnikov assault rifles or drugs, putting the Russian Federation in front of the fact that the arms were prohibited, but this did not happen ...... But climbing a ship in the Baltic Sea is just not so simple, but not difficult either, any marine can throw a cat and use a cable without the help of the CIA and Mossad. The Estonian imagined that instead of logs they carry rockets, and decided to take the initiative .....
        1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 11: 05 New
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          It was necessary to take a weapon somewhere, a ship to drop a group into the central part of the Baltic

          Any Marine can throw a cat and use a cable without the help of the CIA and the Mossad.


          On the move with a wave? And most importantly - there were not marines, but civilians.
          1. Vladimir1155 11 June 2019 21: 48 New
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            On the go with the wave?

            you probably can’t imagine what the Baltic Sea is, ...... where the wave comes from .... it’s from the forest, and the ship could be a powerboat, I even saw a boat in the Baltic Sea and the boat went on oars ... well and a boat of several tons is not a problem to rent at all.
            1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 22: 04 New
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              Wave there from the nose of the cargo ship. It is small, but they also had a toy boat, in general, it was necessary to train somewhere first. The attack on the Arctic C was outside the range of the motorboat.
  • tlauicol 11 June 2019 06: 17 New
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    I wonder why they did not go ashore somewhere in Denmark, learning about the nature of the cargo?
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 07: 40 New
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      From the side it looks as if they came out with someone to connect and they were charged with “Plan B”, because the crew told later that they dumped food and water into a lifeboat, and were preparing to set sail even in the Baltic Sea, but then changed their .
  • Pravodel 11 June 2019 07: 10 New
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    Thank. Good article. She left a lot of questions, primarily about the construction of our Navy.
  • xax
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    "The only force capable of finding a stolen cargo ship somewhere in the oceans was the Navy"

    Strange turn. Well, it’s not Russian Railways to surf the oceans, in fact)
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 07: 42 New
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      The air force is there.

      We have a lot of trouble in Russia with a set of opinions: "The fleet has exhausted itself, large surface ships will never be needed again, it is necessary to close the shop, leave RTOs and substrates for coastal defense, so we will win.".

      The article is a reminder that the tasks of our fleet are very often very far from coastal.
      1. LeonidL 11 June 2019 17: 43 New
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        The fleet must be balanced and meet the realities of both time and pocket. The task of catching a pirate once every ten years and based on this fact is to base the need to build a fleet of the ocean zone with strategic weapons, is too much even for Timokhin.
    2. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 09: 33 New
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      Quote: xax
      Well, not the Railways to plow the oceans, in fact)

      And I would have flooded it in general, and be done with it. There is a muddy story. Where it slipped infa that there was carrying nuclear weapons.
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 11: 05 New
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        Firewood was carried there
        1. Mordvin 3 11 June 2019 11: 16 New
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          Firewood was carried there

          Ahhh! That's it! And how did I not guess? Totally dumbfounded ... crying
  • knn54 11 June 2019 08: 03 New
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    The prosecutor’s office is silent, lawyers are silent, unprofessional actions of “high-ranking persons.” Bankruptcy of the shipowner. Looks like raiding or breaking debt. Having figured it out, I went to the sides. I fully and fully support the author about the "mosquito fleet" and the construction of ships in the ocean zone!
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      quote knn54 ... I do not exclude even the "disinformation." which is "swallowed" the same "Mossad", but. figured out ... went ...

      I also think so, and the purpose of the operation is to identify the "mole" in the Russian services. It is likely that even this is not the first, but they used to “talk” to loyal employees. And now for this time ... fat bait is swallowed! And the “figured out” then had to urgently throw some weapons on board (which can be found everywhere), speak about the X-55 (which cannot be found), etc.
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 13: 07 New
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        Somehow it is very difficult, I tell you. It was possible to simply "merge" the mole with a ship under the Russian flag in the Mediterranean. They would tie him up, then let him go, the mole would break open.
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          ... just "merge" the mole of the ship under the Russian flag in the Mediterranean

          It’s not known who the mole is, “different vessels” “merge” one after another for a long time ... maybe they were in the middle-earth ...
          And why under the Russian flag? Type official delivery? "Hook" will be more noticeable))
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            Well, not under the Russian)))
  • Krasnoyarsk 11 June 2019 08: 16 New
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    But how did some convince me that speed was not important for a patrol ship.
    Speed, it is - speed. And in any case, it is better if it is. Any ship of the Navy, even if it is an auxiliary ship.
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 11: 06 New
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      Speed ​​is an important tactical property of a warship.
  • Undecim 11 June 2019 10: 13 New
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    Reading the article, I immediately remembered a series of jokes about Petka, Vasily Ivanovich and logic. The author has exactly the same - if they steal in Russia, then she needs an ocean fleet. And the fact that this story is connected with theft, and at the highest level, is indicated by those moments that the author delicately avoided with the phrase "the leadership of the Russian Federation and law enforcement agencies did not act brilliantly after the brilliant liberation of the ship by the warship of the Black Sea Fleet. They showed insufficient organizational skills. Before the bankruptcy of the shipowner, the fact that "after the brilliant liberation" of the Arctic Sea had been hanging around for two months in a drift in the open ocean "blurred" somehow. Perhaps the "leadership of the Russian Federation and law enforcement agencies" showed just outstanding abilities, but did not look for the ends, but hid, perhaps even in the water? The well-known journalist, editor of the Maritime Bulletin, Voitenko, apparently announced something in this direction, so he had to hit on the run, right to Thailand. And the head of the investigation team, Bastrykin, after 25 August in an interview voiced the idea that the ship was carrying not only firewood, but then it got water into its mouth.
    And only Dmitry Rogozin correctly felt the situation and loudly declared that instead of finding out what the ship was carrying there, the whole world should rise to the fight against piracy.
    In short, history does not fit well as an argument about the need to have an ocean fleet. To combat corruption, the fleet is superfluous.
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 11: 07 New
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      Well, if you see corruption in every Finnish logging truck, then you can become Navalny, only for free and for real.
      1. Undecim 11 June 2019 12: 05 New
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        If in each, then you can not only become Bulk. But the number of timber trucks falling into such stories is very limited. He is literally alone, if you take those about which information has surfaced. And then she drowned, and everyone involved, right up to the bankrupt shipowner, got water in their mouths. But no one bothers journalists to invent any nonsense, quite the contrary. So Navalny is not suitable here.
        1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 13: 06 New
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          Do not look for evil intent where everything is completely explained by stupidity.

          Did not hear?
          1. Undecim 11 June 2019 13: 09 New
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            Stupidity of whom?
            1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 13: 15 New
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              The stupidity of people who have decided that they can go to the Spanish port with marines on board a civilian vessel, the stupidity of people who have decided that it is possible to rush the ship without haste and search for a demurrage, etc.

              We have this, if that.
              1. Undecim 11 June 2019 13: 17 New
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                And is it two months? They foolish themselves into a jumble so-so, not rushing. And where to rush? There are plenty of reserves, the bar is full, the team equipped the pool, there were no storms. Resort! And the per diem goes. Why not be silly. Interestingly, the women brought up?
                1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 13: 34 New
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                  What have you to do with our investigative bodies affairs?
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                    As a defendant or victim, thank God he didn’t. Exclusively in a "warm, friendly environment."
                    Judging by the minus, the investigating authorities read my comment. Or a woodpecker some of the local turbopatriots.
                2. Catfish 11 June 2019 21: 10 New
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                  Interesting women brought


                  No, the charter is prohibited. But offset by regular layoffs to the shore. In shifts. laughing
                  1. Undecim 11 June 2019 21: 12 New
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                    It was about 110 miles to the coast. It’s difficult to get there.
                    1. Catfish 11 June 2019 21: 14 New
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                      It depends on who paid the downtime. Renting a turntable is not such a problem. smile
                      1. Undecim 11 June 2019 21: 17 New
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                        No one paid downtime. As a result, the shipowner went bankrupt.
                      2. Catfish 11 June 2019 21: 20 New
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                        Another mystery covered in darkness: no one paid, but went to the women. How many in this world are all unexplored ... request
                3. tihonmarine 13 June 2019 11: 32 New
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                  The charter of what and whom. What is the Charter?
                  1. Catfish 13 June 2019 11: 36 New
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                    We have been with you for a long time? Something I do not remember you as my friend.
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                      Sorry, but at sea we are all on you.
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                      Well, if only at sea ... But, in my own experience, only after drinks Something like that.
  • Krasnoyarsk 11 June 2019 13: 03 New
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    Quote: Undecim
    the author in the same way - if they steal in Russia, then she needs an ocean fleet. And the fact that this story is connected with theft, moreover at the highest level, is indicated by those moments that the author delicately circumvented with the phrase "the leadership of the Russian Federation and law enforcement agencies after the brilliant liberation of the ship by the warship of the Black Sea Fleet

    You can guess forever. One thing can be said for sure, since the ship "2 months hung in the drift", and did not go to the destination for delivery of the goods to the buyer, then some high-ranking official needed it. And since the IC has not untwisted this business, we can safely say that everyone is tied!
    1. Vitaly gusin 11 June 2019 14: 36 New
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      And since the IC has not untwisted this business, we can safely say that everyone is tied!

      And if we add that the president (at that time Medvedev) was doing this and ordered “all necessary measures” to be taken to find the missing ship, and three landing ships, a frigate and two nuclear submarines took part in the search
      WHAT GOLD FOREST THERE ARE LUCKING!
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 18: 12 New
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        Well, such an emergency and the President is not a sin to do.
        1. Vitaly gusin 11 June 2019 19: 19 New
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          Well, such an emergency and the President is not a sin to do.

          The dry cargo ship with the forest and sawdust disappeared and the President, three landing ships, a frigate and two nuclear submarines are engaged in his searches.
          I do not remember such a case, if there was a reminder please.
          1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 24 New
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            It was a unique case - the first act of piracy in Europe for several centuries.
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              Quote: timokhin-aa
              the first act of piracy in Europe in several centuries.

              Yes, I agree for the first time in 400 years. But you understand. that pirates do not attack ships with sawdust and forest, do not drive a ship for three weeks with the navigation devices turned off.
              We know many cases when pirates captured ships from different countries, including Russian ones. But in this case, you are right; these were unprecedented measures that were not taken either earlier or later.
              1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 20: 27 New
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                Well, you yourself answered all the questions - there was an incredibly strange place and a potentially fraught situation is unknown than the situation, the victims of which have already become citizens of the Russian Federation.
                The attention of the authorities in this case is understandable.
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                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  whose victims have already become citizens of the Russian Federation.
                  The attention of the authorities in this case is understandable.

                  Let me disagree.
                  After this incident, many seizures of Russian sailors took place, but such extremely unusual measures were never applied.
                  in such a long period of time.
                  Only one example in which Russian sailors are also
                  28 August 2012 year in the Gulf of Guinea, pirates captured Greek a tanker with a Russian crew on board consisting of 24 people.The pirates freed the ship on August 30, they were interested in oil. During the pirate attack two Russian sailors were injured.
                  1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 21: 46 New
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                    This is just piracy. The capture of the Arctic Sea wore distinct signs of something much larger, they are listed in the article.
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                      Quote: timokhin-aa
                      The capture of the Arctic Sea bore clear signs of something much larger

                      I have always said that in a normal dialogue one can come to a common opinion. I wanted to tell you this.
                      But we will never know THIS
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              It was a unique case - first act of piracy in Europe for several centuries.

              by the way exactly this and suggests that the "version with an attempt to deliver this ship exactly X-55" was the reason for the capture. and after reloading the missiles, the captured cargo ship was no longer unnecessary. and the suckers are simply framed ...
  • Serg65 11 June 2019 13: 18 New
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    hi Welcome Alexander!
    The capture of the Arctic Sea was part of some kind of "black" operation, the full plan of which we can only guess

    You are absolutely right about the black operation! Before Artic Sea was Ukrainian Faina and its story is just as muddy. A lot of articles have been written about Artik S. Naturally, your conclusion was more interested in me!
    About Ladno and the Navy as a whole
    smile Honestly amused!
    the sailors, who had provided their crew with their bunks, had to live in combat posts - there was no other place.

    25 passengers calmly without deprivation of seats from the staff.
    He was at the right time and right place

    Those. this is pure coincidence! And so much so that, in the 2009 year, in the area of ​​Gibraltar, Russian ships could be completely absent! Your attempt to tie the “patrol ship” of the 22160 project to this case, I think, is groundless!
    he simply would not be in that place at that time if he existed in those years

    Where do you get such confidence from?
    no one would send this misunderstanding to strategic exercises

    lol Honestly, you hurried with the release of the article! Yesterday, the Bulls departed to the Mediterranean Sea ... this is the 2019 year, and in 2009, Vysotsky would drive him to the tail and to the mane!
    Apologists for the “mosquito fleet,” “patrol ships,” and the like, should think about it.

    Of course you need to think! To think about how many RTOs the fleet needs to have a full-fledged missile salvo here and now. What time does this RTO have before the saturation of the Navy with URO ships of the far sea zone? I am not an apologist, but I perfectly understand that the construction of the 22800 project is currently the only way out to saturate the fleet with rocket platforms!
    I always have a question, your opinion and the opinion of your adherents about the need for a mosquito fleet, is yours personally or is someone lobbying? Here you can already see not the desire announced by you to fight idiocy and corruption in the upper echelons of the Navy, but the systematic deception of the Russian public with the ensuing consequences! By the way, I hope you didn’t specifically ignore the role of Latynina in the history of Artik s?
    it is necessary to repair and modernize old ships to the maximum and “pull” them until it becomes possible to replace them with new ones

    You know very well that there are only two Petrels left and they are constantly being repaired and upgraded. According to the Frigates, the decision to upgrade was made; the Atlants also did not stand aside.
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      “I always have a question, your opinion and the opinion of your adherents about the need for a mosquito fleet, is it yours personally or someone’s lobbying for it? There is already an unannounced desire to fight idiocy and corruption in the upper echelons of the Navy, but a systematic deception of the Russian public with the ensuing consequences! By the way, I hope you didn’t specifically ignore the role of Latynina in the history of Artik s? " - I completely and completely agree with you, about which I wrote more than once or twice.
    2. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 08 New
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      25 passengers calmly without deprivation of seats from the staff.


      There the senior officers were marines and a plus to the crew.

      Those. this is pure coincidence! And so much so that, in the 2009 year, in the area of ​​Gibraltar, Russian ships could be completely absent! Your attempt to tie the “patrol ship” of the 22160 project to this case, I think, is groundless!


      When you have a large fleet that performs numerous tasks, then involuntarily ships are everywhere. There, after all, not only “Ladny” turned out to be - and the SMT “Iman” turned out to be there, and a tugboat with the Federation Council, going home from Cuba. This is the "many ships".
      As for 22160, then Vysotsky had every kind of shelupon in 2009, but he sent a full-fledged warship to the “West-2009”, and not anything.

      Honestly, you hurried with the release of the article! Yesterday, the Bulls departed to the Mediterranean Sea ... this is the 2019 year, and in 2009, Vysotsky would drive him to the tail and to the mane!


      If I came up with some tasks for him laughing Now he will maneuver with real warships in the SPM and the parade. Such is the task. But then the main parades were not conducted (and thank God). And there was no constant grouping in the Mediterranean at that time, and there were several dozen people and an old mother ship in Tartus.

      Of course you need to think about! To think about how many RTOs the fleet needs to have here and now a full-fledged rocket volley.


      Right, the General Staff smelled, Sergey. You did not end your career in the maritime section with a case, eh? And it hurts vocabulary familiar. "Provide ... volley ..." only they said "specialized rocket ships." And not IRAs, this is by the way. Later, the fleet creatively interpreted the impulse from above, wrote the TTZ on 21361, incidentally, on the wave of Serdyuk transformations, cleaning out all those who protested against the purchases of ships from the NATO production plant. Stupidly drove to the citizen. Well, okay, let's not talk about these realities.

      I would have done Sergei completely differently. First, it would modernize the submarines and equip them with the “Caliber”. Secondly, even then, in 2008, when it became clear that the money was about to go (they went to 2009), I would bring the version of the UKKS to the metal with the 3С-14 PUП - inclined launch for the Caliber family missiles. After that, I would have started the "registration" of these launchers in the variants under "Caliber" or under 91Р, RT on the same BOD, on "Sharp-witted", on destroyers 956 (with all my negative attitude towards them).

      Here you have a "volley".
      And the new ships - according to the Chirkov plan, when it had not yet completely degraded - 30 20380 and 18 22350. With a "short" 11356 series for the Black Sea Fleet pressed by G. Suchkov.

      It was quite possible to cover the lack of a salvo like this:



      I always have a question, your opinion and the opinion of your adherents about the non-necessity of the mosquito fleet — is it personally yours or is it being lobbied by someone?


      You do not confuse. I am against IRAs. And small ships BMZ in reasonable quantities are quite necessary, especially at the bases of the submarine. But it must be either multifunctional ships, or mainly anti-submarine. Because the main threat in BMZ is submarines. Well, more mines. But I don’t mind at all against such a mosquito fleet, especially since any ship with a 91Р PLUR can be modified to launch the Calibrov, for that matter.

      By the way, I hope you have not specifically bypassed the role of Latynina in the history of Artik Si?


      "Role"? Well, you said it loudly. Now, if she had climbed with a gun there ... In general, to remember such a contingent is moveton, in my opinion, especially Latynina, with her oscilloscope arrow and bonfire, on which Copernicus was burned. I do not consider it necessary to soil.

      You know very well that there are only two Petrels left and they are constantly being repaired and upgraded. According to the Frigates, the decision to upgrade was made; the Atlants also did not stand aside.


      Do you know that on 1135, instead of the regular PLRK, the cockpits under it, and the underwater acoustics station (all this can be transferred) does UKKS rise? And what to ensure the use of "Calibers" and 91РТ can be "bypassing" the standard CICS, that is, "for inexpensive"? And this is already 15 years. Do you know that the fleet was offered to take the border "Nerei"? And what the fleet refused? And now he refuses, offer the frontiers of the "Eagle" and "Dzerzhinsky"? And this is with the ship composition, which is on the Pacific Fleet!
      According to the BOD, I’ll repeat it ten years ago, and if it were in the metal 3С-14П, they would be even cheaper to modernize, and with the second gun preserved. But the Navy does not want this PU, it is not and never will. And now BOD will be expensive and long to modernize.

      Well, etc., too lazy to repeat.
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        There the senior officers were marines and a plus to the crew.

        Senior passenger officers themselves live on the second deck. Marines ... 10 marines and 15 Gavrikov crew of the Arctic Sea ... and the place will remain + nedokomplekt crew (2009!)
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        painfully familiar vocabulary.

        So in some schools studied wink
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        I'd

        This I have no doubt! Everything is right according to the scenario of World of Warships, only real life is very different from computer fantasies! And yes, in hindsight we are all admirals!
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        Now, if she climbed there with a gun

        Hmm, her statements on the Arctic Si and Iranian missiles are not automatic! This is a more powerful weapon, against which no defense has yet been invented!
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        it had to be done ten years ago

        Alexander, my friend, you probably know what "large-scale thinking" is?
        So, the modernization, the construction of the fleet is not intimately connected with the life of the country! 2008 World Economic Crisis + Peace Enforcement. The crisis forced a lot of money to be poured into the banking system in order to stabilize the already not very strong Russian economy. The South Ossetian conflict revealed huge problems not, not in the fleet ... in the army. In the military component of the defense of the country, which is the core of this very defense!
        In this regard, the main flow of funds from the budget of the Ministry of Defense was directed to the ground army and the Air Force + to raise the prestige of military service, huge amounts of money were poured into the financial and everyday life components of officers and contractors. I'm not talking about the restoration of the military-industrial complex, the restoration of the transport system, the creation of a "system of buying children" in the form of cash benefits for the birth of 2 and subsequent children. Problems that surfaced after the 2014 year, I will not even describe ..... it's all money, and not small !!!!
        Is the fleet of paramount continental power?
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          Senior passenger officers themselves live on the second deck. Marines ... 10 marines and 15 Gavrikov crew of the Arctic Sea ... and the place will remain + nedokomplekt crew (2009!)


          Honestly, I did not invent it myself, Sergey. These are people from MO.

          At I do not doubt! Everything is straightforward according to the World of Warships scenario, only real life is very different from computer fantasies!


          The fact of the matter is that the possibility and necessity of regularly upgrading ships so that they correspond to current tasks and threats is a real look at things, but “we’ll still be new for some reason why we need to suffer with the third generation and let them go for gas cutting” This is a crazy approach. But it was he who prevailed.

          Alexander, my friend, you probably know what "large-scale thinking" is?
          So, the modernization, the construction of the fleet is not intimately connected with the life of the country! 2008 World Economic Crisis + Peace Enforcement. The crisis forced a lot of money to be poured into the banking system in order to stabilize the already not very strong Russian economy. The South Ossetian conflict revealed huge problems not, not in the fleet ... in the army. In the military component of the defense of the country, which is the core of this very defense!


          Facts are against you. The preparation of the new shipbuilding program is the beginning of 2000-x (20380 and 22350), and large-scale infusions of money into the Navy are from 2009. So in 2008 the budgets were roughly understood.
          It really was so, do not argue with that.

          Is the fleet of paramount continental power?


          This is another big question, where will they try to beat us next time, Sergey - on land or at sea.
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            These are people from MO.

            smile So I have more experience with the Petrels.
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            But it was he who prevailed.

            Why, what is the reason for this preponderance?
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            Preparation of a new shipbuilding program is the beginning of 2000's (20380 and 22350),

            Our desires often do not coincide with realities!
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            At 2008, budgets were pretty clear.

            In order to bring your realities to life in Russia, you had to not touch Khodorkovsky, swallow the Georgian pill with South Ossetia, close your eyes to the Crimea and Donbass, behave more quietly than water sitting below the grass smiling sweetly to our "partners."
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Do not argue with this.

            From chegozh?
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            This is another big question, where will they try to beat us next time, Sergey - on land or at sea.

            On the Swamp! This is a more real answer to your questions!
            1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 10: 42 New
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              Why, what is the reason for this preponderance?


              Systemic crisis in naval construction.

              Just imagine that you are the captain of the 1 rank Sobol __ of DOGOZ MO RF. Well, or for the eyes of detractors - Antoine. You need to cut the money. What do you drank more? On a quick and inexpensive upgrade or building something big?

              An example of what this comrade got into when he went into business - https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B21/

              He lobbied himself, the tender itself won at an inflated price, he himself mastered the budgets ... and disappeared, putting the primitive girl as director.

              How was this possible? At first, the Commander-in-Chief was turned into the “Queen of England”, then they even transferred the right to open the ROC without agreement with the Navy, then the smart guys made decisions there. The old system was broken, the new buggy turned out to be.

              Why now much of those times goes on? Well, you can ask Rear Admiral Tryapichnikov for example. He knows the answer to this question absolutely exactly. ((((

              In order to bring your realities to life in Russia, you had to not touch Khodorkovsky, swallow the Georgian pill with South Ossetia, close your eyes to the Crimea and Donbass, behave more quietly than water sitting below the grass smiling sweetly to our "partners."


              No, just some people should eat less. "To steal from profits and not from losses". Then the same money that was actually spent on the Navy, could have been achieved much more.
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                Quote: timokhin-aa
                just someone should have eaten less.

                laughing This is a chronic Russian-Soviet-Russian disease! I honestly do not believe that embezzlement can be overcome!
                By the way
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                Do not underestimate the "classic" surface ships)))

                Alexander, what do you think ... how effective is it in the military and economic plan to send Petrels and Kotlinov to protect fisheries off the coast of Morocco and the entire western coast of Africa? Send MTSC convoy caravans in the Persian Gulf, but the same "Frigates" to catch pirates ???
                1. timokhin-aa 17 June 2019 11: 08 New
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                  . How effective is it to militarily and economically send the Petrels and Kotlins to guard the fisheries off the coast of Morocco and the entire west coast of Africa? Send MTShch escort caravans in the Persian Gulf, but the same "Frigates" to catch pirates ???


                  Ineffective at all. It has long been proposed by PMCs to be legalized, and with the exception of fisheries, blame everything on them.

                  And also to impose FSB work in the world ocean, and not only in our EEZ. From PCNR 22100 it would be quite "removed" such work. Ships are normal, work familiar.
  • Trusting 11 June 2019 14: 31 New
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    Full blizzard. :)))
    Is the author ashamed to publish this? Well, after all, the crap is official. )))
  • Oleg1515 11 June 2019 14: 51 New
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    The dual citizenship of the Latvian unemployed is not mentioned.
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      Quote: oleg1515
      The dual citizenship of the Latvian unemployed is not mentioned.

      - the interview published by BaltInfo has not yet been mentioned.

      “There were about a dozen sailors on board a merchant ship and several people who introduced themselves as a group of ecologists. Among them were citizens of Russia, Estonia and Latvia. The crew and the“ ecologists ”spoke calmly, did not feel fear of each other, but they didn’t have friendly conversations Soon it became clear why the crew of the alleged "John-Jimm 2" was so afraid of mines.

      “It turned out that the bulk carrier was attacked almost immediately when it left the port of Kaliningrad, back in the Baltic waters. The sailors told us that unknowns had boarded them, said that from now on the ship would change course. In the case of unauthorized actions, it will fly into the air, as it is mined, and the bombs are remotely controlled. Unknown told the crew that further instructions would be given to them by walkie-talkie, and left the ship. That same evening, the first order came in - to pick up a “group of ecologists” at the appointed place, ”said the officer of the“ Okay. ”

      “To the most important question that has been worrying everyone since the dry cargo ship disappeared:“ What did Arctic Sea actually transported? ”, The officer replies briefly:“ Forest. ”And when he resigns after several decades, he promises talk more about this forest. "
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 11 New
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        I'm not eating this, sorry.
  • alexmach 11 June 2019 15: 04 New
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    stopping a large vessel with a pair of 76 graphs is much easier than with a single gun, even 100 mm.

    I wonder why?
    1. LeonidL 11 June 2019 17: 31 New
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      Yes, it's just written from a misunderstanding! 100mm will end the trader much faster and more reliable than 76 mm, which has been repeatedly demonstrated during the First and Second World Wars.
      1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 13 New
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        Leonid, did you ever press your shoulder straps in the pre-retirement time? We must not "finish", we must stop. If you keep in mind, remember how PSCRs are slashing the felling of "opponents" from AK-630 in the same Pacific Ocean. That's what the conversation is about.
        However, you can not answer.
        1. LeonidL 12 June 2019 00: 41 New
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          They didn’t sting me, but you didn’t get to wear them. The enemy should not be "stopped", but heated. Frontier ships are one thing - combat ships are another. You, Timokhin, are a great mess, trying to be Teflon. And the chances of “overwhelming someone else” are not less for the 76-mm “cutting cabin” and the hull, but more than for 100mm. Only now it’s easier to stop a ship or a ship and fill up the chances of it less if you plant a hundredth under the waterline in the engine room area. But it’s hard for you to understand.
        2. Serg65 12 June 2019 08: 31 New
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          Quote: timokhin-aa
          That's what the conversation is about.

          Actually, the conversation was that
          stopping a large vessel with a pair of 76 graphs is much easier than with a single gun, even 100 mm.

          So a reasonable question arose ... why is it easier to stop with a pair of AK-726 than one A190-01?
          1. timokhin-aa 12 June 2019 09: 38 New
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            The number of shells per unit of time and, accordingly, the probability of a quick target destruction in this case is higher for the AK-726 pair. The striking effect of the 76-mm projectile is significantly lower, which in the case of a policeman by the nature of the operation minimizes the damage. A power 76 mm shells for a small trade scow, such as the Arctic Sea, would be enough, not a supertanker after all.

            If we talk about conducting a battle with a real enemy where the goal is to destroy it, then there is a logic, of course, it will be different.
            1. Serg65 12 June 2019 10: 21 New
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              Quote: timokhin-aa
              The striking effect of the 76-mm projectile is significantly lower, which in the case of a police operation minimizes damage by the nature of the operation.

              In the case of a police operation, the queue, without a difference of 76,2 mm or 100 mm shells, acts very sobering in the course ahead of the stem in 90 from 100 cases.
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              The number of shells per unit time and, accordingly, the probability of a quick hit of a target in this case is higher for the AK-726 pair.

              80 shells AK-726 (barrels, you know, are heated) and 80 A190 shells in my opinion the same amount?
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                the rate before the bow in 90 of 100 cases is very sobering.


                Not always, it happens that it is necessary to reach the “meat”. In the Pacific, where there is a lot of poaching, border guards can tell a lot about this.

                80 shells AK-726 (barrels, you know, are heated) and 80 A190 shells in my opinion the same amount?


                Only the shooting time is different. From one gun and two, plus the factor of 100 mm unnecessary destructive force for police operations.

                If you read in English, I can throw an American materialist on the topic of what should be on the Coast Guard ships a small-sized torpedo with a weakened charge, so that you can "lift" the screw-steering group without risk to sink the cargo vessel and with minimal risk of killing someone then aboard. This is a serious problem in fact, as far as possible not to kill anyone in such situations.
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                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  This is a serious problem in fact, as far as possible not to kill anyone in such situations.

                  As for me, a couple of shells in the forepeak, here’s a scattered nose, a guaranteed fire in a non-residential building, the crew are safe and sound, but the roof has gone slightly! Although if we have 22160 in the “police patrol”, a couple of autogenes would not hurt him, here I agree ...
                  1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 11: 28 New
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                    What it looks like now. Border guards follow the intruder, they demand to stop. But the violators have a significantly higher speed and they easily break off, therefore, at the request of the PSCR, An-72P joins the chase, which stops the offending ship with a rocket volley.

                    The consequences themselves can assess.

                    Well, there are cases when the violator has already been riddled with a superstructure, there are already corpses, there is already a fire on board, and he is trying to escape too, more than once.
    2. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 32 New
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      In a specific situation, “stop”, rather than sink, more projectiles per unit of time, but less damage (and less chance of overwhelming someone else).

      CCPRs are so "working" on violators from AK-230, where AK-630 also remained.
      1. alexmach 11 June 2019 22: 34 New
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        But on most modern ships there is also 30 mm artillery in one form or another. As far as I remember from the video, they cut the engine room as much as the engine room.
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          On pitching the division is very conditional. Therefore, for example, for weapons operations, the power of weapons must be engraved. And so it is possible and "Kutuzov" want to reanimate with his 9х152mm, that's where the volley is so volley.
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            Well, for this, after all, there are border guards with specially built ships for them. By the way, in my opinion, where the power for fishermen still needs to be controlled, the rate of fire of the AK-630 is clearly excessive, much more preferable than the AK-230.

            Well, in your unloved patrol, I think the 76mm gun is installed.
            1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 10: 54 New
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              Well, for that there are frontier guards with specially built ships for them.


              I would be glad if we used our ASMM as the Americans, and the fleet would not be loaded with non-core nonsense.

              By the way, in my opinion, where the power of the fishermen still needs to restrict the rate of fire, the AK-630 is clearly excessive, where AK-230 is preferable.


              YES and AK-230 roasting so that then violators can get a scoop from scrap metal.
              1. Serg65 13 June 2019 11: 32 New
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                the fleet would not be loaded with non-core nonsense.

                I dare to remind you of the "profile" service of art.cats of the 205P project in the area of ​​the Dakhlak archipelago ..... and the "non-profile" service of specialized Albatrosses in the same area! The naval service is replete with non-core nonsense and you can’t get away from it!
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                  You are not confused by God's gift with scrambled eggs, please.
                  1. Serg65 13 June 2019 12: 55 New
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                    Well, where is God's gift and where is the scrambled eggs ???
                    1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 12: 58 New
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                      Puzzling Navy patrol function - scrambled eggs. And the fact that tasks can arise for warships and formations is clear and there is nothing special about this.
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                        Quote: timokhin-aa
                        Stump Navy Patrol Function - Scrambled Eggs

                        Well, let me give you another example .. The SKR division of 159 Ave. was based on the Bulgarian Sozopol, the main task of this division was to patrol the exit from the Bosphorus, now the 184 ships of the OVR brigade including Bykov are doing the same! By the way, the forgotten heroic TFR 6 of your full namesake Alexander Anatolyevich Petrov, was just from the Sisopol Division! Here you have the fried eggs! In the 84 year, Kil-33 carried out a planned audit of raid barrels in the Mediterranean Sea, on board from a weapon two Makarovs in the captain's safe. Suddenly an order comes from the TsUSS ... to monitor the 61-th operational group of the 6-th fleet until the approach of our destroyer! The speed of Americans 20 nodes, the maximum speed of the killer 13 nodes. I don’t know how, but Keel-33 lasted two hours! Here is God's gift to you!
                      2. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 15: 38 New
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                        And why these examples? To the fact that a non-core task can arrive? Maybe the article just contains one such example.

                        But getting and performing a non-core task is one thing, and without having to charge yourself for paying ships that are optimized for non-core tasks, instead of buying full-fledged combat ships (albeit in smaller numbers) this is different.

                        If for this money Chirkov ordered a pair of 20380 for the Black Sea Fleet (with the Pont, these are patrolmen now), then there would be no questions.
                        When the budget was cut, one could leave the slab-stub instead of the air defense system, do not install the RCC, the Package, BUGAS, but keep the possibility to install it in the future without body works and declare it a patrolman. Now they would be put into modernization one by one by the forces of the sailors and with one crane they would install everything, having received normal warships.

                        For such a patrolman, I would be only in favor.

                        You understand, what kind of war happens, and these "ships" of the task will be cut as real.
                        Given that they are not real, only people who are real there will have to fight with obviously worthless means.

                        By the way, ZPKB, by the way, was a very good project engineer just then ...

                        Maybe I'll write later.
  • LeonidL 11 June 2019 17: 30 New
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    First, Ladny did not release the Russian ship, but, of course, the fight against pirates is a noble cause, but it is advisable to return everything stolen under the Russian flag and not allow for a more similar 90th. Secondly, this is a kind of incident, an isolated case, and to build a concept on it - to have ships of the Navy everywhere is everywhere strange. They, just in case, should hang out in the ocean and wait for pirate seizures? But, who argues, the F lot should include warships of different classes and types ... but still their number should not be determined by "the desire to have everything and everywhere," but by a reasonable approach, primarily based on the actual needs of the country, from budget opportunities, strategic, rather than a one-minute need.
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 19: 15 New
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      They, that just in case should hang out in the ocean and wait for pirate seizures?


      This is just a single example, there are others. Moscow University, for example. Well, all sorts of different things, about which the press does not write, at least twenty years from the moment it happened.
      1. LeonidL 12 June 2019 00: 48 New
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        Yes, twice in twenty years + personally brought to the ears of Timokhin secret information. Such events, as a rule, get a resonance internationally and climb out like an awl from a bag. But, in any case, there are other response methods, much less costly and time-consuming, more effective than finding at each potential capture point a merchant ship with a marine corps. Well, if it’s a very valuable cargo, as you hope it is known, it will be escorted, openly or secretly, but most likely it will be transported to the BDK or ships flying the flag of the Navy’s auxiliary fleet, on which legally armed armed escorts go.
      2. Serg65 12 June 2019 08: 40 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Well, all sorts of different things about which the press does not write

        laughing I really like your conspiratorial awareness !!! You know so many secrets that you probably have a bunch of voluminous folders for you at the head of the Navy's counterintelligence !!!
        1. timokhin-aa 12 June 2019 09: 42 New
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          Well, I have folders, but not in the Navy, and the phone was tapped, and I myself was also engaged in collecting and analyzing information by occupation. For money.

          This is not the question, here is an extrapolation.

          When you found out about the K-492 campaign in Bangor? When was he?

          Over time, such episodes tend to be declassified. And we learn about the marine infantry in Africa, about Soviet pilots fighting American F-5 in Ethiopia against their former students, about Captun 1 rank Dudko, looking at the Seattle embankments, and other similar things.

          There is no reason to believe that in our present time we will not learn something similar in twenty years from now.

          So don't fuss.
          1. Serg65 12 June 2019 10: 33 New
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            When you found out about the K-492 campaign in Bangor? When was he?

            laughing good Sasha should not compare those ancient times, when even the production of stew was under a veil of secrecy and the current information-unrestrained! The designer just thought, and already all the media are shouting about the construction of a super-duper destroyer-aircraft carrier! Now the Russian military has some sort of acute incontinence of secrecy !!!!
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            we learn about the Marine Corps in Africa, about Soviet pilots fighting on the American F-5 in Ethiopia against their former students

            Well, I knew this back in the 80 of the last century ..... laughing and also from the talkative gentlemen of the military!
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            So don't fuss.

            smile And I do not jerk! I am just interested in your hints on secret materials about which you openly tell in the open press!
            1. timokhin-aa 13 June 2019 11: 00 New
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              Sasha should not compare those ancient times, when even the production of stew was under a veil of secrecy and the current information-unrestrained! The designer just thought, and already all the media are shouting about the construction of a super-duper destroyer-aircraft carrier! Now the Russian military has some sort of acute incontinence of secrecy !!!!


              Well, not always really. You know a lot about submarine operations? If someone from the float does not tell, then nothing.

              And I do not jerk! I am just interested in your hints on secret materials about which you openly tell in the open press!


              And all because

              and also from the talkative gentlemen of the military!


              You are not the only one.

              But I hint, but I do not post secrets)))) Although I know.

              Often just turns out to be an unexpected. You communicate with your acquaintance "from the industry", he will say a couple of times that we are doing something, but this is something for Vasya, and I immediately roll back the technical characteristics of him with OCD, just figure out on the go))) Reaction fun usually.

              But on the Internet such details, of course, will never happen.
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                Quote: timokhin-aa
                You know a lot about submarine operations?

                Do you think that I can’t even eat from this non-knowledge? And all because I myself know a lot of things that are not for extra ears ... the old Soviet saying you know less, sleep better!
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                You are not the only one.

                Then such news went among verified their and did not go outside
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                  They still do not go out.
  • Horse, people and soul 11 June 2019 18: 04 New
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    Estonians have played for the second time in James Bond.

    And the first time they sent a bunch of people to the bottom with the ferry "Estonia".
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    Why then, during the course of the article, the patrolman again indiscriminately kicked? With all due respect to Ave. 1135, there was no alternative in peacetime except to negotiate. What the author himself wrote about. And a specialized ship, pr.22160, could well, besides persuasion, show teeth in the form of a helicopter and a pair of assault longboats with a numerically superior unit. As the saying goes, the word of God and Colt is much more convincing!
    1. timokhin-aa 11 June 2019 21: 24 New
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      A patrolman with his lines still doesn’t know how much he would be chasing a dry-cargo ship - Ladnoy had a speed advantage in several knots at a minimum, while 22160 already had blows to the hull on 21 knots. An 2 score can give a 30 knot jerk to catch up "game", it's impossible for a patrolman, he will catch up even with a slow ship like the Arctic C, which is slower and sadder than the high-speed submarine hunter "Ladny".
      A pair of assault launch boats and Ladny was, there was no helicopter, but again there was a nuance - if it came to the need for an assault, Ladny could "get lost" and carry out a radar cargo ship, could try to apply PLUR from afar on a surface target, in order to carry out the dry cargo ship vtorulivuyu group and make an irreversible loss of progress In this case, the criminals would not have seen where they came from, the subject, which could roll out the conditions would be absent. Just a strong blow from the bottom, and the loss of progress, and all. But here it could not work, but it could happen.
      A fine one could hang on the tail of a dry-cargo ship before the approach of a ship with helicopters, for example, and reinforcements. Anything could be done.
      A patrolman would be much more dependent on excitement, no one knows how much time he can give full speed, including those who built it, the hull there, I repeat, such that it already feels blows on the 21 node and above and t .d
      The situation with the Arctic Sea was resolved (and was destroyed by the fact) and without a patrolman.
      Do not underestimate the "classic" surface ships)))
      1. alexmach 11 June 2019 22: 43 New
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        could try to use from afar PLUR on a surface target, in order to make the dry-cargo group the helmsman group and make irreversible loss of course

        Or just sink it with this PLUR ...
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          I will not argue, but still the Arctic C has a reinforced double hull for swimming in challenging ice conditions.
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            And who do you think could make such a decision to use or not? So the commander of the “Okay” himself could? Does he know what the bottom of Arkitk C is, and what is the effect of the PLUR on a surface ship? .. By the way, can it be used on a surface ship as a precision-guided torpedo?
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              To do this, you need to know what order Commander Ladny received, and so that this order was declassified.

              According to the Arctic Sea - of course they knew everything about this ship, and TX, and the silhouette, and the design features, planning of washing in case of an assault, etc. - there should be no doubt.

              A PLUR can be applied to the NK, just the procedure is complicated, and the probability of hitting the target is significantly lower, both than with the RCC and with firing at the submarine. But probably.
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                According to the Arctic Sea - of course, they knew everything about this ship, and the TX, and the silhouette, and design features, cleaning plans in case of assault, etc. - there should be no doubt

                It seems to me that in any case, it does not give a reliable answer to the question of what will happen to it when applying the plur - it will lose speed or sink.
      2. LeonidL 12 June 2019 00: 53 New
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        The combat mission of the "classic surface ships" is not to hunt once a decade for muddy bargains and to agitate to increase their number for such a "celebration of life" is simply ridiculous or obviously provocative.
      3. Horse, people and soul 12 June 2019 09: 18 New
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        Apparently, a speed of even 40 knots for ships with a classic hull is not an achievable thing.

        request
      4. Serg65 12 June 2019 09: 58 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        and for 22160 already on 21 nodes, blows to the case.

        Where is the droushka?
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        could try to use from afar PLUR on surface targets,

        laughing good And the name of the sniper who could get the PLUR directly into the screw group, please?
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        A patrolman would be much more dependent on excitement, how much time he can give a full turn no one knows, including those who built it

        Generally masterpiece! Alexander, even at speed in 20 nodes 22160-th compared to 13-th Arctic B-nodes .... just a rocket !!
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The situation with the Arctic Sea was resolved (and was destroyed by the fact) and without a patrolman.

        If the situation with the Arctic Sea had happened in the Far East, then it would have been completely destroyed by the PSKRs based on the 1241 rocket boat!
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          Where is the droushka?


          From the people who went on it at sea. The truth is guaranteed this applies only to the head ship. I don’t know about the others, they could change the contours during construction.

          Generally masterpiece! Alexander, even at speed in 20 nodes 22160-th compared to 13-th Arctic B-nodes .... just a rocket !!


          And now compare with the Petrel.

          If the situation with the Arctic Sea had happened in the Far East, then it would have been completely destroyed by the PSKRs based on the 1241 rocket boat!


          True, and this is another example of the fact that the fleet does not need 22160.
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            Quote: timokhin-aa
            I don’t know about others, they could change the contours during construction.

            bully have passed!
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            And now compare with the Petrel.

            what And Okay was catching up with the Inquisitive ???
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            this is another example that the fleet does not need 22160

            what Instead of 22160, the fleet needs 1241.1, do I understand correctly?
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              Instead of 22160, the fleet needs 1241.1, do I understand correctly?


              Let's first go back to the question "what the Russians want to get from the Navy." Remember that article? Ottlakivatsya necessary from the goals. Type ships at the very end of this logical chain.