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Light tanks of France in the interwar period

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Tank doctrine of the French military


After the end of the First World War France had the most numerous tank park in the worldhowever, until 1935 only about 280 new ones were released tanks. The French military considered themselves winners and thought in terms of the past war, they looked at tanks based on the accepted military doctrine. This doctrine was purely defensive and did not consist in delivering preemptive strikes against the enemy, but in an attempt to halt the enemy’s advance and exhaust him in the hope of converting the war into a positional form, as was the case in the previous war.




In the tanks, they saw not a means of breaking through defenses and penetrating into the depths of the enemy’s territory, but a means of supporting infantry and cavalry, which remained the main arms of the troops. The main tasks of the tank were to support the maneuver and the advance of infantry and cavalry. Based on this, the corresponding requirements were imposed on the tanks. Tanks were considered "stumbling, semi-blind bunkers on tracks", which were supposed to have anti-personnel weapons and protection from small weapons and field artillery.

At that time, there were no armored forces in the French army, tanks were scattered among infantry and cavalry formations, which independently ordered equipment for their needs. So in France appeared "infantry" and "cavalry" tanks.

After the Nazis came to power in Germany, they adopted the "blitzkrieg doctrine" based on achieving lightning victory by using large tank formations to break through on a narrow sector of the front and penetrate deep into enemy territory, in France they did not change their doctrine, same direction. The main tanks of the French army remained light infantry and cavalry support tanks with machine guns and a small caliber cannon armament, with anti-bullet and anti-rifle protection from field artillery.

In addition, within the framework of the “battle tank” concept there should be medium and heavy tanks capable of conducting independent combat operations and withstanding enemy tanks and anti-tank artillery.

The main tank in the army remained light tank FT17 and its modifications, which showed itself well in the previous war. In the interwar period, a whole family of light tanks for the needs of infantry and cavalry was also developed and put into production.

Light tank FT17


The FT17 tank was the world's first classic-style tank with a rotating turret designed in 1916 and became the most massive tank of World War I. In the previous part, I described in detail its design and characteristics. It was a light tank of riveted construction weighing 6,7 t, with a crew of 2 man, with 37-mm gun “Hotchkiss” or 8-mm machine gun “Hotchkis”, differentiated armor 6-16 mm, with engine 39 hp, developed speed 7,8 km / h and had a power reserve 35 km.


Light tank FT17


This tank became the prototype of many French light tanks and tanks in other countries. The tank has undergone a number of modifications: FT 18 - with the SANNXX 37-mm gun, FT 18 - with the Hotchkiss 31-mm machine gun, Renault BS - with the Scheider 8-mm howitzer, Renault TSV - unarmed radioactive tank with the 75 man’s crew, RenaultXXXXX man, RenaultXXXXXXX-mm howitzer NC3) - elongated rear part of the hull, 1 engine power hp, power reserve up to 27 km, RenaultNC60 (NC100) - running with eight road wheels, balanced suspension, rubber-metal caterpillar, 2 engine hp, speed 31 km / hour, power reserve 45 km.

Light tanks of France in the interwar period

Light tank FT17 on the march


Modifications of the tank were widely used in the French army and exported to many countries around the world. The FT17 tank was in service with the French army before the start of the Second World War; in total, 7820 tanks were launched.

Light tank D1


The D1 tank was created in 1928 on the basis of the Renault NC27 tank as an infantry escort tank and had a classic layout - the control compartment in front, in the center a rotating turret with a fighting compartment and behind the MTO. By increasing the width of the tank, it was possible to bring the crew to the 3 man - the commander, radio operator and driver.


Light tank D1


The driver was located on the left in the housing in the wheelhouse with a three-leaf hatch. He could fire a course 7,5-mm machine gun Reibel, to his right was a radio operator. Due to the fact that the tank was equipped with a radio station, a double-beam antenna was installed at the stern, because of this, the tower was rotated only 345 degrees.

The 47-mm SA34 cannon with a paired 7,5-mm machine gun was installed in the turret. On the roof of the tower was a domed commander's cupola from which the commander could observe.

The hull design was riveted from rolled armor plates, with the weight of the 14 tank t it had enhanced armor, the thickness of the armor in the front part of the hull and the top sides was 30 mm, the bottom part of the 16 (25) mm, the roof and the bottom of 10 mm. At the stern of the tank remained the traditional "tail" to overcome obstacles.


Light tank D1


As the power plant on the tank, the Renault engine with an 65 hp power was used, providing 16,9 km / h speed and 90 km cruising range.

The chassis D1 contained on one side of the 12 track rollers interlocked in three spring suspension trucks (one for each trolley), 2 independent track rollers with hydro-pneumatic shock absorbers, 4 supporting rollers and high-speed track.

The tank was mass-produced in 1932 — 1935. 160 samples were produced.

Light tanks AMR33 and AMR35


The AMR33 tank was developed in 1933 year as reconnaissance for cavalry and infantry formations. Serially produced in 1934-1935's, all produced by the 123 sample.

It was a lightly armored vehicle with a 2 man’s crew and a 5,5 weight. The driver was located in the front left housing, the commander was in the turret and could fire from the 7,5 mm Reibel machine gun mounted in the turret in the ball mount. The turret of the tank was shifted relative to the longitudinal axis to the left side, and the Reinstella engine to the right.


Light tank AMR33


The design of the squat hull and the hexagon tower was riveted from rolled armor plates mounted at small angles of inclination. Reservations were weak, the forehead is 13 mm thick, the 10 mm beads and the 5 mm bottom.

As the power plant, an Rheinastella engine with an 82 horsepower, providing speed along the highway up to 60 km / h and good mobility, was used.

The chassis on each side consisted of four rubber-coated road wheels, two of which were blocked in one bogie and four support rollers with rubber bands.

In 1934, Renault developed a more advanced modification of the AMR33 tank, which received the AMR35ZT index. While maintaining the layout of the tank, the hull was increased, a large-caliber 13,2mm machine gun was installed in the turret, the weight of the tank increased to 6,6. The tank was serially produced from 1936 to 1940 of the year, a total of 167 samples were produced.

Light tanks AMC-34 and AMC-35


The AMC-34 tank was developed in 1934 in the development of AMR 33 as a cavalry support tank, produced in 1934-1935, 12 samples were released. The tank was 9,7 T in weight and was produced in two versions - with the AMX1 turret with the Hotchkiss 25-mm cannon and two crew members and the AMX2 turret with the SA47-34-mm gun, and three crew members.

The hull was a riveted structure, tower cast. Reservations were at 5-20 mm. Engine Renaull power 120 HP provided speed on the highway 40 km / h and power reserve 200 km.


Light tank AMC-34


In 1936, a modification of the AMC-34 tank was developed, which received the AMC-35 index, which was produced before the 1939 year, in total, 50 samples were manufactured. The size of the tank was increased, it began to weigh 14,5t. A more powerful SA47 35-mm gun with a 32 barrel caliber was installed, the 7,5 mm machine gun was preserved. Reservations have been enhanced to the level (10-25) mm, a more powerful 180 hp engine is installed.


Light tank AMC-35



Light tank R35


The most massive French light tank R35 was developed in 1934 year to accompany the infantry, made in 1936-1940 years, 1070 vehicles were produced for the French army and 560 for export.

The tank had a non-classical layout, the power plant was located behind. The transmission in the frontal part, the control compartment and the fighting compartment with a rotating turret in the middle of the tank. The crew was two people - the commander and the driver.


Light tank R35


The hull design was assembled from sheets of armor and armor castings by welding and bolts. The lower part of the hull sides were from sheets of armor with a thickness of 40 mm, the bottom was also from armor plates with a thickness of 10 mm. The front part of the hull is 40mm thick, the upper part of the 25-40 mm thick hull and the hull forage 32mm thickness were cast from armored steel. The turret was entirely cast from armored steel with 40 mm sides, inclined at an angle of 24 degrees to the vertical and 25 mm roof thickness. On the roof of the tower was installed cast swivel dome with vents. In the roof of the tower was also a flap for flag signaling. The weight of the tank 10,5 t.

The 37-mm SA18 cannon and the twin-machine gun 7,5-mm were installed in the turret. For aiming the weapon the telescopic sight mounted to the left of the gun was used. On the modification of the tank R 39 was installed gun SA38 of the same caliber with an increased barrel length.

The engine used was an 82 horsepower engine, which provides 23 km / h speed and 140 km power reserve.

The chassis on each side consists of five rubber-coated single road wheels and three rubber-supported rollers. Four support rollers were interlocked in two “scissor-type” carts, consisting of two balancers pivotally fixed among themselves, the upper parts of which are pivotally interconnected through an elastic element. The fifth roller is suspended on a balance bar, the spring of which is connected at its other end to the tank hull. The finely divided caterpillar consisted of 126 tracks 260 mm wide.

Light tank H35


The H35 light tank was designed in 1934 for supporting cavalry units and was maximally unified with the R35 infantry support tank. 1935 to 1940 Approximately XXNX samples were produced.

The layout of the tank was similar to that of the R-35 tank; the cast parts, bolted together, were also widely used in the tank design. The cast tower was borrowed from the R35 tank. The thickness of the hull armor was 34 mm, towers 45 mm. The weight of the tank was 12 t, the crew of the 2 man.


Light tank H35


The armament of the H35 consisted of an 37-mm SA18 cannon and an 7,5-mm Reibel machine gun paired with it.

The engine used was an 75 hp engine, providing 28 km / h speed and 150 km cruising range.

To eliminate the shortcomings of the H35 in 1936, an upgraded version of the H38 was developed, the hull armor was increased to 40 mm and the 120 hp engine was installed. The weight of the tank rose to 12,8 t, but the speed rose to 36,5 km / h.

In 1939, the H39 version was developed with frontal armor reinforced to 45 mm and the long-barreled 37-mm SA38 cannon. Outwardly, this tank had a higher and more angular engine compartment, extended to 270 mm caterpillar. According to the speed characteristics, the Н39 remained at the Н38 level, but the power reserve decreased to 120 km.


Light tank H39

The tanks of these models took part in the hostilities at the beginning of the Second World War and could not seriously oppose the German tanks.

Light tank FCM36


The FCM36 tank was developed in 1935 during the competition for the development of an infantry support tank; the main competitors were the H35 and R35. Total order was released 100 samples of these tanks.

The layout of the FCM36 infantry tank was “classic”; the crew of the tank was a 2 man. In front of the case there was a place for the driver, behind him was the commander, who simultaneously served as the shooter and loader. The outdated short-barreled 37-mm SA18 cannon and the twin machine gun 7,5-mm were installed in the turret. The tower was made in the shape of a truncated pyramid with four viewing devices, the gun and machine gun were installed in a common mask, which allowed to direct weapons in a vertical plane ranging from -17 ° to + 20 °. The weight of the tank was 12 t.


Light tank FCM36

A number of fundamentally new design solutions have appeared to this tank. The design of the tank was more complicated than that of the Х35 and R35, the armor plates were located at rational angles of inclination, the hull and tower were not riveted, but welded. The tank had a good counter-booking, the thickness of the armor of the turret, forehead and hull sides was 40 mm, the roof 20mm.

The undoubted advantages of this tank were the installation of a Berliet diesel engine with an 91 hp power, providing 25 km / h speed and significantly increasing the cruising range of the tank to 225 km, almost doubling it compared to other tanks.

These innovations and ideas with inclined armor plates and a diesel engine were subsequently used in the development of the Soviet T-34 tank.


Light tank FCM36

The undercarriage of the tank was also quite complex. On each board, it consisted of 9 track rollers, eight of which were interlocked in an 4 bogie, four support rollers, a front idler and a rear drive wheel. The rollers and the external elements of the transmission were almost completely closed by a bulwark of complex shape, which had cutouts for dumping dirt from the upper branches of the tracks.

Light tanks of France before the war


The family of light tanks developed during the interwar period was distinguished by low weight, mainly up to 12 tons, crew of two, less often three people, machine guns, 37-mm and / or 47-mm cannon armament in various combinations, mainly with anti-bullet armor on samples from the middle of 30-ies and with antislatter booking, using gasoline engines, providing speeds up to 60 km / h. Fundamentally different tank FCM36, which was installed a diesel engine, riveted hull structure and turret was replaced by a welded and provided protivosnaryadnoe reservation.

In the interwar period, the 7820 light tank of the new models was produced for the 17 tanks of FT2682 and its modifications, much of which were used in the army, but in terms of the required tactical and technical characteristics and tactics of using tanks they are in many ways inferior to the German tanks, and at the beginning of the Second World War it was clearly demonstrated.

To be continued ...
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What contributed to the emergence of tanks in World War I
German tanks of the First World War
French tanks of the First World War
Tanks of England in the interwar period
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  1. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 7 June 2019 19: 51
    +3
    The author did not bother to describe more precisely what kind of bastard and squalor it was, this is the most inter-war French tank building.
    Yes, in the 1st world, the French were perdov they belonged to the primacy in the discovery of the classic layout of the tank layout, with the MTO behind the fire wall behind.
    But Medju wars experienced a decline in their tank construction in connection with the cessation of funding.
    The result is the Sa18 cannon, which was originally installed on Renault FT17, was removed from the tanks, and rearranged into new tanks. And it was that gun, with very poor ballistics and extremely conditional armor penetration of 30 mm. If for 1917 this might have been enough to support the infantry, then at 33-35, and even more so 1939-40 30 mm of ammunition penetration is nothing.
    Goings were these French.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 June 2019 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: EXPrompt
      The result is the Sa18 cannon, which was originally installed on Renault FT17, was removed from the tanks, and rearranged into new tanks. And it was that gun, with very poor ballistics and extremely conditional armor penetration of 30 mm. If for 1917 this might have been enough to support the infantry, then at 33-35, and even more so 1939-40 30 mm of ammunition penetration is nothing.

      Well ... to support the infantry, it’s not armor penetration that is needed (infantry already has anti-tank weapons), but fragmentation and high-explosive projectile action. Since the main objectives of the NPP tank are soft targets - field fortifications, the position of machine guns and artillery, the enemy’s manpower.
      And here Sa18 is also frankly weak. In addition, the low initial velocity of the projectile means a short range of a direct shot - that is, to confidently hit the target, the French tank will have to come close to it, getting into the zone of effective anti-aircraft fire.
  2. Morglenn
    Morglenn 7 June 2019 19: 57
    +1
    Very weak article
  3. Alf
    Alf 7 June 2019 20: 04
    -1
    These innovations and ideas with inclined armor plates and a diesel engine were subsequently used in the development of the Soviet T-34 tank.

    Well, the stump is clear, how can the non-decreasing ones come up with something themselves, all the good is initially invented in the enlightened West, and then is illegally copied in the crotch of Russia.
    Author, are you tired of throwing the substance to your (yours?) Country?
    Especially nailed the passage about the diesel engine. The author, who supposedly is a tank builder, apparently does not know that a diesel engine for a tank in the USSR began to be constructed in 1932.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 June 2019 21: 08
      +6
      Good evening, colleague. hi Well, you are such a poor author ... Here, the question is in the championship: who first came up with and put into practice. And with inclined armor, the French were still the first. Another thing is that they had tanks, and their tankers were not very good either.
      1. Alf
        Alf 7 June 2019 21: 23
        -3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Good evening, colleague.

        hi
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Well, why are you so poor author ...

        I do not like amateurs. Especially those who are throwing shovels of substance to the USSR out of place and out of place, such as Shpakovsky.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 7 June 2019 22: 04
          +6
          I don’t know, I read Shpakovsky with interest, but about shovels with substance ... we are adults and everyone has their own established opinion, if the articles are sensible, then everything else can be discarded. Here and in this article we communicate normally and it seems that it’s not so lonely anymore. drinks
          1. Alf
            Alf 7 June 2019 22: 09
            -3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I read Shpakovsky with interest,

            You see, while he writes about the Middle Ages, it is possible and interesting to read, but as soon as he begins to write about the USSR, he immediately begins to enter it. And the person is clearly sick with narcissism.
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Here and in this article we communicate normally and it seems that it’s not so lonely.

            It is always a pleasure to talk with a person who is sane and worthy of an adversary; you enjoy such communication even if you don’t agree with him.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 7 June 2019 22: 20
              +4
              That's right: you need to communicate, speak, argue, and normal people will always find a common language and try to understand each other.
              In the Middle Ages, I am a complete ignoramus, I was always interested in closer times. But I get into articles on weapons at once and "head over heels", and I have not had this childhood disease. Moreover, comments to them are sometimes no worse than the articles themselves, and sometimes more interesting.
              As for the USSR, I have lived all my life in that country, everything happened. And I honestly believe that there was "molasses and shit" in equal proportions, which I really can't say about the present time. In the sense that with molasses now, in my opinion, not very ... but there is more than enough other.
            2. Alf
              Alf 8 June 2019 08: 57
              -1
              Judging by the minus, Mr. Shpakovsky himself looked in.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 7 June 2019 23: 25
      +6
      And then it suddenly turns out that the first diesel tanks in general appeared among the Japanese as early as 27
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 8 June 2019 00: 43
        -1
        Well, many believe the reason in his maxims about tanks ... but also giant monitors on Pina!
      2. naidas
        naidas 8 June 2019 17: 49
        -11
        Quote: Nehist
        the first diesel tanks in general appeared among the Japanese as early as 27

        The development of a new improved tank was started in 1927, in parallel with the completion of work on "No. 1". A significant influence on its design was made by the study of the Vickers Medium Mk.C tank purchased in the UK in March 1927 (not to be confused with the Mk.C Hornet). The tests of Mk.C influenced the further history of Japanese tank building due to the fact that the spontaneous combustion of the tank’s carburetor engine caused Japanese designers to turn to diesel engines in the development of future tanks.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 8 June 2019 23: 05
          +1
          That's right. From the age of 27, they corny changed the carburetor engines of purchased tanks for diesel engines and in 33 released the world's first diesel-powered Syrian tank
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 June 2019 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Alf
      Well, the stump is clear, how can the non-decreasing ones come up with something themselves, all the good is initially invented in the enlightened West, and then is illegally copied in the crotch of Russia.

      Um ... actually, "Forges and Chantier" arr. 1936 was just a model for the creation of one of the Soviet experimental tanks with rational angles of inclination of the armor.
      In the present time we finished the development of streamlined armored housing improved. security of the wedge shape, but the mock-up commission for the T-46 tank rejected our proposals on the pilot production of this corps for its comprehensive tests ... At the same time, Comrade Tsygankov’s group received an assignment for testing a streamlined body on the example of bldg. French tank "Forge and Chantier" arr. 1936...
      © Ginsburg
      1. Alf
        Alf 10 June 2019 17: 53
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Um ... actually, "Forges and Chantier" arr. 1936 was just a model for the creation of one of the Soviet experimental tanks with rational angles of inclination of the armor.

        Actually, I meant the diesel engine.
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 7 June 2019 22: 32
    +4
    Again the author said: "We play here, we don't play here, here we wrap the fish."
    The fourth photo in the article, signed "D1 Light Tank". in fact - a light tank (sometimes referred to as medium) Char de bataille D2.

    The tank was a development described in article D1. In 1936, Renault produced the first batch of 50 units, in 1938 the second was ordered in the same quantity. The troops D2 arrived only in the spring of 1940. This tank had a riveted-welded hull and better armor protection (20 - 40 mm), while Renault's 150-horsepower 6-cylinder gasoline engine allowed the 19-t engine to reach speeds 5 km / h higher than D1. Cruising range was 140 km. The ST1 turret was replaced by ARX1, the same as that of the B1 tank. D2 of the second series received a new APX4 turret with a 47 mm SA35 cannon. In addition, in May 1940, a number of cars of the first series were re-equipped with APX4 towers. The ammunition included 108 rounds and 2000 rounds.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 7 June 2019 22: 47
      +7
      The author has "cut" the lineup of Renault. The R-35 was followed by the Renault R-39.

      A new 37mm long-barreled SA38 cannon was installed on the tank in an APX-R1 cast turret. Manufactured 273 units.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 June 2019 22: 50
        +5
        Further development of the R40 /

        The SA38 gun was installed, the new AMX undercarriage of 12 small-diameter track rollers and four support rollers. The combat weight of 12,5t. Manufactured 120 units.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 7 June 2019 23: 03
          +4
          Of the fifty AMC-35s, fifteen were made for Belgium. They installed a tower of a different design with a more powerful 47 mm cannon.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 7 June 2019 23: 22
            +3
            Good evening, Vic! hi

            I said that sometimes comments are more interesting than the article itself, especially yours (deflection counted).
            But didn’t it seem to you that the photographs of the AMC-34 and AMC-35 depict the same tank? And in general, this is the same photo. request No matter how much I looked closely, but absolutely did not notice the differences.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 7 June 2019 23: 39
              +5
              Konstantin, I did not have time a bit, I was busy with photos. In the first shot, AMC 34, a prototype with a cast turret of 1917 Berliet.
              The model with the APX-1 tower went into the series.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 7 June 2019 23: 46
                +5
                There was a Belgian version of the AMC 34 with an APX-2 turret and a 25 mm (1 inch) gun, later replaced by a 47 mm Belgian gun.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 7 June 2019 23: 51
                  +3
                  In the second picture, the author again posed under the guise of AMC 35 AMC 34.

                  AMC 35 looks like this.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 7 June 2019 23: 46
                +1
                Victor, so in my opinion he (34) is there in both pictures, but with different signatures. And the towers are exactly the same. This is how to put two photos of the T-34-76, and under the second sign T-34-85. request
  5. LeonidL
    LeonidL 8 June 2019 00: 40
    0
    By the way, the article sheds light on the question of the number of tanks near the Wehrmacht before the attack on the USSR - more than ten thousand light tanks alone and many of them fought on the territory of the USSR, for example, captured French light tanks with reinforced armor and 45-mm anti-tank guns were used against the Second Shock they were not taken. French tanks took Brest, but for some reason pseudo-historians like Rezun still talk about the multiple superiority of the number of Soviet tanks over German. But if you count all the armored good captured in Europe by Hitler before June 22, 1941, then the ratio changes dramatically. Yes, not all German (+ captured) tanks attacked on June 22nd, but not all Soviet tanks were in the border districts.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 8 June 2019 06: 22
      0
      And then Suddenly !!! - By May 1940, the French army had 2637 tanks of a new type. Among them: 314 tanks B1, 210 — D1 and D2, 1070 - R35, AMR, AMC, 308 - H35, 243 - S35, 392 - H38, H39, R40 and 90 FCM tanks. In addition, up to 2000 old FT17 / 18 combat vehicles (of which 800 were combat-ready) during the First World War and six heavy 2C were stored in the parks. (S)
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 8 June 2019 06: 29
        0
        Your numbers differ from those given in the article. And the stormy beginning is not clear "And then Suddenly !!!" ... For what reason?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 8 June 2019 06: 52
          +1
          In 2013, there was a magnificent series of articles (author Mikhail Baryatinsky), where the author meticulously listed all the captured tanks of the Wehrmacht. And 10000 tanks there didn’t seem to have accumulated.
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 8 June 2019 23: 11
            -1
            According to my estimates, the number of own and captured armored vehicles at the time of the invasion of the USSR in Germany amounted to about 18. These are exactly armored vehicles including self-propelled guns and heavy armored personnel carriers. But, of course, it is important that the Germans skillfully used the available equipment, concentrating it on the tip of the main strike + excellent radio communications, interaction with the Luftwaffe, excellent optics, commander towers, trained and well-coordinated crews.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 8 June 2019 23: 59
              0

              Data for June 22, 1941
              * Of these, 12 tanks Pz.35 S 739 (f) (captured French tanks Somai S-35) and 32 tanks Pz.38 H 735 (f) (captured French tanks Gochkis H-38).
              ** tanks Pz.A13 744 (e) (captured English cruising tanks А13 Cruiser)
              *** of them 24 flame-throwing tanks Pz.B2 (f) (Flamm) based on the captured French tanks B1-bis and 6 tanks B1 Bis 740 (f) (trophy French B1-bis)
              To this can be added about 1000-1200 self-propelled guns and tanks of reserve divisions. As a result, we get about 5000 thousand tanks and self-propelled guns concentrated for invasion
              1. LeonidL
                LeonidL 9 June 2019 06: 47
                -1
                Look carefully - I wrote about the total number of armored vehicles, since the Rezuns indiscriminately believe that everything produced in the USSR was crowded near the border.
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 9 June 2019 07: 32
                  0
                  In the western districts, the Red Army troops had from 10000 thousand tanks, the largest figure that I met was 13 with something thousand
                  1. LeonidL
                    LeonidL 9 June 2019 23: 09
                    0
                    Alexander, yes, the numbers are different ... the fact is that a lot of old equipment, in fact, was in a dysfunctional, moreover, in a non-fit condition. The old T-26s and BTs, a lot of them were just in repair funds, they were considered a training park, etc. I read Pavlov’s last pre-war report, or rather a report on the situation in the Special Military District, it’s just awful that in the tank troops, in the aviation, that in the hours of hitting and firing tankers, that of pilots ... And besides, all this was either stretched evenly along the borders, or was in the second echelons of the Veil, or was just moving out of the inner districts, all in the process of formation - reformation. Because the numbers and jump. I read tanker’s recollections, horses were digging in the repair fund, literally on their knees collecting more or less combat-ready BT from several disabled people. by the way, they were discontinued in 1940, which means ... by good tradition and the termination of the production of spare parts. By the way, you did not take into account the presence of a mass of heavy wheeled armored vehicles in the table, which also strengthened the Wehrmacht's offensive capabilities.
                    1. Nehist
                      Nehist 10 June 2019 10: 53
                      -1
                      Well, it is a well-known fact that approximately 3000-3500 thousand were not working properly. I don’t consider a wheeled BTT since it was more in the Red Army and it was significantly better. Well, the fact that at that moment there was no interaction in the Red Army I completely agree. As for aviation, the Luftwaffe did not have more than 3500-4000 thousand aircraft on the entire eastern front. But skillfully concentrate on the right areas. What in what and in the fact that operational tactical training of the German army was at the height of no doubt
                      1. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 11 June 2019 02: 18
                        -1
                        Wheel BTT was better for the Germans in all respects, look directories. They just laughed at Soviet armored vehicles as old rubbish.
                      2. Nehist
                        Nehist 11 June 2019 05: 14
                        -1
                        You say this BA-10 !!! Which could sew German tanks! And which the Germans enjoyed using
                      3. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 11 June 2019 16: 21
                        -2
                        Well, about sewing, it's not that simple. To sew, you need to have a good sight, good cross, good booking, a good engine. Seeing the BA-10 in Poland in the 39th, the Germans simply laughed - an armored car from the last war. Compared to German armored cars were frankly weaker in all respects.
                  2. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 17 June 2019 14: 21
                    0
                    I just can’t understand one thing, what have all these dances about the number of tanks? It is not an indicator in itself; it does not mean anything at all.
    2. unknown
      unknown 8 June 2019 06: 50
      -1
      Unfortunately, pseudo-historians, including official ones. and in our country is abundant.
      Of course, the "Rezun project" is anti-Soviet, anti-Russian. But this does not mean that EVERYTHING that was written within the framework of this project is not true. This project would not have met such an understanding in our country if our historiography had no problems with coverage, understanding of what happened before the war and in its initial period.
      I already wrote that historiography is the most complex subject of historical faculties.
      It is rare that one of the students passes tests and exams in this subject from the first, second time. In my memory, people managed to take five, six times. And the strongest teachers, most often the department heads, or deans, lead this subject. The peculiarity of this discipline is that it is necessary to theoretically own ALL points of view on the topic, without giving preference to any. This allows, in the presence of appropriate intellectual abilities, to consider the topic from all sides, isolating the arguments of all, often diametrically opposed points of view, to create a more objective picture of the events.
      But the problems of domestic historical science began not under Gorbachev, but at least under Khrushchev.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 8 June 2019 23: 06
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        You carefully work with a pencil Rezun, almost everything is either a fraud or an outright lie. The trouble with military historiography in civil society is, first of all, that people without a military education have a poor idea of ​​making command decisions by military commanders, the complexity and complexity of preparing operations, the quality and quantity of military equipment, its use, supply, etc. It is especially weak with the understanding of military Sciences. A team of German (some of the best in the world) General Staff officers headed by General Marx began to develop a plan for an attack on the USSR, then it was revised, led by Paulus - it practically took time from October 39 to June 41. This is a huge array of documents on the detailed study of operations at all levels. And what is opposed to this Rezun, tyldych about Stalin's "aggressive" plans? A couple of unsigned papers? Or Bunich, deliberately deceiving readers by mixing the concept of the "Thunderstorm" plan and the conditional signal to cover the border "Thunderstorm". Well, lies about the Pinsk or Danube military flotillas are generally a Siren's song for untrained ears. And so on ... That is, rezuns and the like are very easy to sell their "concepts" to unprepared people. Besides, they are printed in millions of copies and publishers do not care about the truth, the main thing for them is to make a profit on "hysteria and sensation." And truthful books are not published in large quantities. So the book about the Pinsk military flotilla in general was published in a shameful circulation of one hundred copies.
  6. yehat
    yehat 17 June 2019 14: 09
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    Quote: Alf
    good is originally invented in the enlightened West

    fcm36 really served as a good starting idea for developing the t34 reservation scheme
    and at that point in time there was no more successful scheme in the whole world.
    And I wanted to speak out about the diesel for the t34. It was developed not for the tank, but for the boat, and only later decided to install it on the tank.