New ships to be! Good news from the Navy
Incredibly, it happened. Today we have good newsconcerning the Navy. And not just good, but very good.
Intensive rumors about the laying of new frigates of the 22350 project have been around for a long time, since autumn. Others also walked: that part of the ships would have an increased number of vertical launch installations for missiles. And if the second so far remains unconfirmed information, the first has just received official confirmation, as they say, “from the very top”.
I must say that this decision is more than just a decision to build a couple more ships. And more than knocking out money from the budget for the construction of another pair of ships.
This is a sign that a negative trend in naval shipbuilding, when more or less adequate projects were cut one after another for the sake of ephemeral phantoms, is possible (not a fact, but now it can be!)
A year ago, the situation looked different. On the agenda was a project now known as 22350M - a large ship with a fully gas-turbine power plant, surpassing 22350 both in size and displacement, and in number weapons on board and electronic weapons. He, in principle, is now on the agenda.
But a year ago, the approach was considered correct to nail a series of old ships right after they decided to build new ones.
Earlier in the article “It's time to learn from the enemy”, the approaches that Americans practice in their naval construction were dismantled. And from the point of view of their approaches, which led to the emergence of the strongest naval forces in the world, our approach is to stop building the “resulting” series and passively wait for readiness for laying a new one — the wrong one. So it is impossible to build a powerful fleet, it can only be built by acting on the contrary. But in the Navy stubbornly continued to stand on his.
Of course, with 22350 it was not easy. Did not work anti-aircraft missile system. It was not possible to build a national plant GEM instead of Ukrainian. And there were also hundreds of smaller-scale flaws, all together making the ship’s operation impossible. But as soon as it became clear that the air defense system would still be brought, and the production of power plants in Russia was fully established, then from the point of view of the correct approach to naval construction, the only right decision was to continue the bookmarks of the 22350 frigates until the 22350M project is ready for laying, and only then it was necessary to refuse them.
In the "intermediate" version - to build at least a full-fledged brigade of six ships. This would also be, in general, a perfectly sound decision, and that is why it was almost impossible to believe in it.
But it eventually happened. A couple of new frigates will be laid very soon - April 23 of this year.
What is "dead in the forest"? How did it happen that the Ministry of Defense and the Navy suddenly took the right path? It is difficult to judge this, but perhaps we still know about it once.
22350 project. Far from perfect. The reason for this is that it represents an attempt to "shove" into the body of the frigate - essentially an escort ship - weapons and armaments, typical of, rather, a destroyer. As a result, the fleet received a ship that has a disproportionately powerful weapon for the frigate, powerful air defense, but only one helicopter (for actions against this submarines is not enough), an insufficient set of anti-submarine weapons (there is no RBU, the Package-NK complex is unsuccessfully implemented) too small range of economic progress, and too low its speed.
But it must be understood that, at a certain point, domestic shipbuilding has no choice left, which means that the navy does not have it either. Since Russia lost (temporarily) the ability to build large warships, it was necessary to "push" such a ship into the frigate.
And it turned out, though not perfectly, and not optimally, but it’s quite good. Whatever imbalances have occurred in the project 22350, and this is a very strong warship, capable of fighting with surface forces, and with aviation, and with the shore, and to a limited extent - with submarines.
And this is a turn to a normal approach - instead of waiting for a “crane in the sky,” Russia firmly holds a “bird in hand” ... but does not retreat from trying to grab a crane.
As soon as the series goes 22350M, bookmarks 22350 can be stopped. By that time, it is necessary to still comprehend the need for a massive, simple and cheap ship of the far sea zone, in the TFR of the XXI century, which will be simpler and cheaper than 22350, preferably at times, but so far all this is not there, we must continue to build 22350. And the fact that such a decision prevailed is a very good sign for our fleet. Frankly, it was expected to be completely different ...
The construction of two new BDK 11711 should also be considered positive news. At present, Russian BDK are actively working on the delivery of military supplies to the Syrian Arab Republic within the framework of the so-called “Syrian express”. This operation has already cost the landing craft a large share of their resource. Ships wear out intensively and will soon require massive repairs. At the same time, the main BDK of the Russian Navy, the 775 project is a ship of Polish construction, it is difficult to repair it in our conditions, and there is no production cooperation on these ships in Poland.
As a result, their intensive depreciation on the Novorossiysk-Tartus line will soon lead to a collapse in the number of already insufficient landing forces, and the possibility of "bringing back to life" all the existing ships most likely will not.
In such conditions, 11711 becomes the only option - no matter how bad this ship is (and it is bad!), The alternative option is “Fleet without ships”. And, fortunately, the healthy forces won here too.
11711 is a problem ship. It has irrational hull lines, which does not allow the full potential of the power plant to be realized on the ship. He is not conceptually dooduman on the one hand, and weak as a “paratrooper” on the other. Helicopters are extremely unsuccessfully located on it, and a small runway does not allow them to be placed simultaneously. But this is our only landing ship that can be laid and built "here and now." And here it is necessary to repeat history with frigates and build, build, build. Of course, this is a half-measure, we need a new concept of a naval assault in principle, and under it a new ship, but it’s better than nothing.
In addition to the news, the Minister of Defense said something else:
We will analyze in more detail.
The author in his time was the initiator of the campaign to bring to the clear water of this project. For an example, you can read the article “Worse than a crime. Construction of the corvettes project 20386 - error "), or a new material, written in collaboration with the captain of the third rank in the reserve MA. Klimov, - article “Corvette 20386. Continuation of the scam ». Shortly after the release of the last of them, “from above”, rumors were heard about the ongoing deep processing of this project and the replacement of the chief designer. Well, this will not make the project truly useful, but maybe it will become at least realizable ...
There is also an interesting moment with the name of the underfrigate under construction. Initially, he was given the name "Daring". It was under this name that the ship was laid, and that was what it was on its mortgage board.
However, as is known, the mess has recently begun in the Navy with the renaming of ships. Thus, the series of small rocket ships of the 22800 project, with the names of the Bad Weather Division, was renamed into small towns, for example, the Uragan MRK, the lead ship of the series, was renamed Mytishchi. The newly restored Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation headed by General Kartapolov, acting with the connivance of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Korolev, stands behind these renaming.
Now, the political leaders got to the “Bold”. The press service of the "Severnaya Verf" has already confirmed the fact of renaming the ship, about which reports today FLOTPROM.
Attention is drawn to the time frame for building the hull. Head 20386 was laid in October 2016, and began to build in November 2018. For two years, the mortgage section was somewhere lying around. Dock all sections of the hull promise on the same day, when they will be laid two new frigates - 23 April.
This is, in general, a depressing pace, although perhaps the Northern Shipyard will be able to accelerate somewhat.
But the most important news related to the “Bold” is “Mercury”, in another. When the project was just launched, it was planned to start building the second such ship in 2018. It did not happen then, and now it did not happen now, and this absence of an event is also an event in some sense, and also strictly good. Such is the news is obtained.
Reporting the laying of four new ships, Sergei Shoigu left room for intrigue. The fact is that the laying of new ships for the Navy this year was announced by V.V. Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly. And said V.V. Putin is about five ships. And it will be laid until four.
What will be the latest news from the series? Which ship will be laid fifth this year? A little later, we, of course, will find out, and this too, the President in such a situation would not rush to words. One can only hope that this will be some kind of ship useful for the Navy, and not a “second run” on the rake, in which the bookmarks of the second 20386 can be seen. However, this option is becoming less and less likely.
Anyway, a ray of light in a dark kingdom flashed. For the first time in many years, the Ministry of Defense made the right and smart decision, which runs counter to all the cumulative "experience." This is certainly a very good news that many have been waiting for.
The best for a very long period. Let's hope she was not the last.
MOSCOW, April 9. / TASS /. Two frigates of project 22350 and two large landing ships of project 11711 for the Navy fleet Russia will be laid April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by the head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu.
"April 23 will be laying the ships of the far sea zone - two 22350 frigates at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the 11711 project at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call at the military department.
"April 23 will be laying the ships of the far sea zone - two 22350 frigates at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the 11711 project at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call at the military department.
Frigate project 22350
Intensive rumors about the laying of new frigates of the 22350 project have been around for a long time, since autumn. Others also walked: that part of the ships would have an increased number of vertical launch installations for missiles. And if the second so far remains unconfirmed information, the first has just received official confirmation, as they say, “from the very top”.
I must say that this decision is more than just a decision to build a couple more ships. And more than knocking out money from the budget for the construction of another pair of ships.
This is a sign that a negative trend in naval shipbuilding, when more or less adequate projects were cut one after another for the sake of ephemeral phantoms, is possible (not a fact, but now it can be!)
A year ago, the situation looked different. On the agenda was a project now known as 22350M - a large ship with a fully gas-turbine power plant, surpassing 22350 both in size and displacement, and in number weapons on board and electronic weapons. He, in principle, is now on the agenda.
But a year ago, the approach was considered correct to nail a series of old ships right after they decided to build new ones.
Earlier in the article “It's time to learn from the enemy”, the approaches that Americans practice in their naval construction were dismantled. And from the point of view of their approaches, which led to the emergence of the strongest naval forces in the world, our approach is to stop building the “resulting” series and passively wait for readiness for laying a new one — the wrong one. So it is impossible to build a powerful fleet, it can only be built by acting on the contrary. But in the Navy stubbornly continued to stand on his.
Of course, with 22350 it was not easy. Did not work anti-aircraft missile system. It was not possible to build a national plant GEM instead of Ukrainian. And there were also hundreds of smaller-scale flaws, all together making the ship’s operation impossible. But as soon as it became clear that the air defense system would still be brought, and the production of power plants in Russia was fully established, then from the point of view of the correct approach to naval construction, the only right decision was to continue the bookmarks of the 22350 frigates until the 22350M project is ready for laying, and only then it was necessary to refuse them.
In the "intermediate" version - to build at least a full-fledged brigade of six ships. This would also be, in general, a perfectly sound decision, and that is why it was almost impossible to believe in it.
But it eventually happened. A couple of new frigates will be laid very soon - April 23 of this year.
What is "dead in the forest"? How did it happen that the Ministry of Defense and the Navy suddenly took the right path? It is difficult to judge this, but perhaps we still know about it once.
22350 project. Far from perfect. The reason for this is that it represents an attempt to "shove" into the body of the frigate - essentially an escort ship - weapons and armaments, typical of, rather, a destroyer. As a result, the fleet received a ship that has a disproportionately powerful weapon for the frigate, powerful air defense, but only one helicopter (for actions against this submarines is not enough), an insufficient set of anti-submarine weapons (there is no RBU, the Package-NK complex is unsuccessfully implemented) too small range of economic progress, and too low its speed.
But it must be understood that, at a certain point, domestic shipbuilding has no choice left, which means that the navy does not have it either. Since Russia lost (temporarily) the ability to build large warships, it was necessary to "push" such a ship into the frigate.
And it turned out, though not perfectly, and not optimally, but it’s quite good. Whatever imbalances have occurred in the project 22350, and this is a very strong warship, capable of fighting with surface forces, and with aviation, and with the shore, and to a limited extent - with submarines.
And this is a turn to a normal approach - instead of waiting for a “crane in the sky,” Russia firmly holds a “bird in hand” ... but does not retreat from trying to grab a crane.
As soon as the series goes 22350M, bookmarks 22350 can be stopped. By that time, it is necessary to still comprehend the need for a massive, simple and cheap ship of the far sea zone, in the TFR of the XXI century, which will be simpler and cheaper than 22350, preferably at times, but so far all this is not there, we must continue to build 22350. And the fact that such a decision prevailed is a very good sign for our fleet. Frankly, it was expected to be completely different ...
The construction of two new BDK 11711 should also be considered positive news. At present, Russian BDK are actively working on the delivery of military supplies to the Syrian Arab Republic within the framework of the so-called “Syrian express”. This operation has already cost the landing craft a large share of their resource. Ships wear out intensively and will soon require massive repairs. At the same time, the main BDK of the Russian Navy, the 775 project is a ship of Polish construction, it is difficult to repair it in our conditions, and there is no production cooperation on these ships in Poland.
As a result, their intensive depreciation on the Novorossiysk-Tartus line will soon lead to a collapse in the number of already insufficient landing forces, and the possibility of "bringing back to life" all the existing ships most likely will not.
In such conditions, 11711 becomes the only option - no matter how bad this ship is (and it is bad!), The alternative option is “Fleet without ships”. And, fortunately, the healthy forces won here too.
BDK project 11711
11711 is a problem ship. It has irrational hull lines, which does not allow the full potential of the power plant to be realized on the ship. He is not conceptually dooduman on the one hand, and weak as a “paratrooper” on the other. Helicopters are extremely unsuccessfully located on it, and a small runway does not allow them to be placed simultaneously. But this is our only landing ship that can be laid and built "here and now." And here it is necessary to repeat history with frigates and build, build, build. Of course, this is a half-measure, we need a new concept of a naval assault in principle, and under it a new ship, but it’s better than nothing.
In addition to the news, the Minister of Defense said something else:
"Simultaneously, the Northern Shipyard will dock large blocks of the corvette hull of the 20386 project. It will receive its name in honor of the military brig of the Russian fleet Mercury, whose feat in May will be 190 years old," the minister added.
He clarified that the frigates, landing ships and the frigate "are planned to be added to the Navy before 2025 of the year."
He clarified that the frigates, landing ships and the frigate "are planned to be added to the Navy before 2025 of the year."
We will analyze in more detail.
The author in his time was the initiator of the campaign to bring to the clear water of this project. For an example, you can read the article “Worse than a crime. Construction of the corvettes project 20386 - error "), or a new material, written in collaboration with the captain of the third rank in the reserve MA. Klimov, - article “Corvette 20386. Continuation of the scam ». Shortly after the release of the last of them, “from above”, rumors were heard about the ongoing deep processing of this project and the replacement of the chief designer. Well, this will not make the project truly useful, but maybe it will become at least realizable ...
There is also an interesting moment with the name of the underfrigate under construction. Initially, he was given the name "Daring". It was under this name that the ship was laid, and that was what it was on its mortgage board.
However, as is known, the mess has recently begun in the Navy with the renaming of ships. Thus, the series of small rocket ships of the 22800 project, with the names of the Bad Weather Division, was renamed into small towns, for example, the Uragan MRK, the lead ship of the series, was renamed Mytishchi. The newly restored Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation headed by General Kartapolov, acting with the connivance of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Korolev, stands behind these renaming.
Now, the political leaders got to the “Bold”. The press service of the "Severnaya Verf" has already confirmed the fact of renaming the ship, about which reports today FLOTPROM.
Attention is drawn to the time frame for building the hull. Head 20386 was laid in October 2016, and began to build in November 2018. For two years, the mortgage section was somewhere lying around. Dock all sections of the hull promise on the same day, when they will be laid two new frigates - 23 April.
This is, in general, a depressing pace, although perhaps the Northern Shipyard will be able to accelerate somewhat.
But the most important news related to the “Bold” is “Mercury”, in another. When the project was just launched, it was planned to start building the second such ship in 2018. It did not happen then, and now it did not happen now, and this absence of an event is also an event in some sense, and also strictly good. Such is the news is obtained.
Reporting the laying of four new ships, Sergei Shoigu left room for intrigue. The fact is that the laying of new ships for the Navy this year was announced by V.V. Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly. And said V.V. Putin is about five ships. And it will be laid until four.
What will be the latest news from the series? Which ship will be laid fifth this year? A little later, we, of course, will find out, and this too, the President in such a situation would not rush to words. One can only hope that this will be some kind of ship useful for the Navy, and not a “second run” on the rake, in which the bookmarks of the second 20386 can be seen. However, this option is becoming less and less likely.
Anyway, a ray of light in a dark kingdom flashed. For the first time in many years, the Ministry of Defense made the right and smart decision, which runs counter to all the cumulative "experience." This is certainly a very good news that many have been waiting for.
The best for a very long period. Let's hope she was not the last.
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