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Sukhoi is not satisfied: according to the results of a simulated air battle, the Chinese J-11B aircraft surpassed the Su-35 (Huanqiu, China)

Sukhoi is not satisfied: according to the results of a simulated air battle, the Chinese J-11B aircraft surpassed the Su-35 (Huanqiu, China)According to many Western media, the attempt to create a Chinese fighter, made only from parts of Chinese-made multi-purpose aircraft J-11B without help, was crowned with success. J-11B exceeds its predecessor J-10 in all respects and is an indicator of a serious breakthrough in the Chinese aircraft industry, as well as approaching the most modern Russian 4 aircraft of the Su-35BM generation. According to the results of the studies of the Swedish military research center named Andreson J-11B in the simulated air battles J-11B surpassed the Su-35BM, a comparison was also made between the American F22 and the Russian fighter. Representatives of the company "Sukhoi" were dissatisfied.

Approaching the fourth generation of fighters

After 4 years of thinking in 1996, China and Russia signed an agreement according to which China built a plant to manufacture the most modern Russian Su-200SK 27 aircraft, whose main task is to achieve air superiority. For this, the Shenyang Aircraft Building Plant, which previously produced J-8 aircraft, was re-equipped. The plant was equipped with advanced Western and Chinese equipment, which greatly improved production technology, and thus laid a solid foundation for the further improvement of the aircraft themselves.


In 1999, on the basis of the Su-27, the fighter was first created, which 70% consisted of parts made in China. It was renamed J-11. All parts except the engine were made in China, and even some components were improved. The improved model is called J-11A. In the 90s in China and in the world there was a leap in aircraft manufacturing, in aircraft construction, in particular, aircraft began to supply more and more electronics. And the J-11 / Su-35 aircraft very quickly became obsolete due to the lack of electronics, even compared to the updated J-8 aircraft. By 2003, 95 aircraft were produced, the remaining 105 were abandoned by China, citing the fact that the aircraft did not meet the technical requirements of the country, which the Russian side was extremely suspicious of.

4 2010 June

Shenyansk aviation Chinese Corporation has created a copy of the Russian carrier-based Su-33 fighter. The model is called J-15 (Jian-15), Interfax reports with reference to the May issue of the authoritative military publication Kanwa Asian Defense, which is published in Canada and Hong Kong.

The prototype T10K of Soviet times, which went to China from Ukraine, was taken as the basis for the Chinese fighter. Earlier, Chinese engineers could not solve the problem of the folding wing of carrier-based fighters, but now this problem has been solved.

It remains unclear whether the new aircraft made the first test flight. After the factory tests, the fighter will be sent to the Air Force center in Yangljan, since the Chinese Navy does not have its own test center for naval aviation.

China has created a "pirated" copy of the Su-33 fighter, having guessed the secret Russian technology

In fact, in these few years, Chinese fighters have absorbed all the best that was in the Su-27. Having stuffed the Su-27 with various techniques and improved its aerodynamic characteristics, in 2000, the first secret launch of the new multi-purpose aircraft J-11B was made, which completely turned to Western standards.

Since the development of this fighter has not yet been completely declassified, it is not surprising that such a rapid leap in the Chinese aircraft industry took Russia and the United States by surprise. When Russia in recent years offered the Chinese side to buy improvements for Su-27, it most often did not receive a response because China already owned these technologies. At the end of last year, Russia was forced to admit that China was able to improve the Su-27 independently by creating the J-11B, in the same message the Russian side claims that the design of the new aircraft is not fully completed yet, while China is releasing the second batch of 17 aircraft . This suggests that Russia does not own the situation, which is a serious miscalculation on their part.

Using composite materials, it was possible to reduce the weight of the aircraft on the 700 kilogram, which made it possible to put a more powerful Taihan engine on the J-11B. In addition, the Chinese aircraft has the most modern electronic devices, thus overtaking the Su-27 by more than 20 years.
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  1. kesa1111
    kesa1111 14 October 2011 12: 19
    We have the smartest in the Kremlin, the most competent in the FSB, the most incorruptible engineering and technical staff. Talk about EP .... Well, you yourself know. So these are still flowers.
    1. Sargas
      Sargas 26 January 2018 09: 33
      China has 10 times more smart and talented people than ours. For one simple reason: there are simply 10 times more Chinese than us.
      And pulling up education, China will undoubtedly overtake us over time.
      1. kamski
        kamski 31 January 2018 18: 52
        why it will overtake, industry and science in China are much more developed. Already today, Russia's industrial backwardness in comparison with China is evident. and the economy is also much weaker
      2. sir_obs
        sir_obs 1 February 2018 13: 07
        This topic has already been explored far and wide. The number of smart and idiots as a percentage does not depend on the number of people. And everywhere, approximately, the same proportions. This is statistics.
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 8 February 2018 10: 11
      and what, kesa essentially has nothing to say, only Flood?
  2. Evgeny B.
    Evgeny B. 6 November 2011 00: 55
    Very sad . Education hacked. Continuity tore. With such realities, there will be more!
    KASKAD 6 November 2011 01: 08
    Do not listen to this. Chinese propaganda is not possible from scratch in 10 years to improve the plane without any experience in this area is a PR. Copy yes, put the Chinese watch in it too, but no more.
    1. Bobik012
      Bobik012 6 January 2018 23: 58
      By the way, I heard the opinion that he is not flying without Russian engines yet. Well, that is, it flies, but not for long - the resource is scanty
      1. Bobik012
        Bobik012 7 January 2018 00: 11
        But for now, Russian-made Sushki has technical advantages over its Chinese counterparts, inferior to them in terms of performance. Su-35S is the most modern version of the fighter among those built at the moment. It has high-end on-board electronics, an advanced glider, and new engines with a three-dimensional controlled thrust vector. This is a very effective combat vehicle, and if it will be adopted in large quantities, it will create a powerful threat to the Western Air Force. Other versions of the Su, such as the Su-30SM and Su-34, are also very efficient and combat-ready aircraft.
        But the Chinese are not far behind and even catch up. They went further than reverse engineering and began to create their own options. One senior US aviation official told me that an “aerospace renaissance” is beginning in China. The main problem of the Chinese is that they are far behind in the design and manufacture of engines. In the laboratory, Chinese engineers can create a workable engine, but they are not yet able to establish reliable mass production. This is their main vulnerability.
        China will surely catch up with other countries in the field of avionics and detection devices, but today it is unclear how effective their systems are. Obviously, the Chinese are developing passive and active arrays with electronic scanning, but we cannot say how perfect they are. In the same way, the Chinese are creating their own electronic warfare systems, infrared search and tracking systems, and electron-optical aiming systems. But while brochures and catalogs are quite impressive, there is very little information about how these systems actually work. Given that the Chinese are still relatively new to creating domestic warplanes and their components, it is likely that the original Russian-made Dryers are still superior to Chinese counterparts.
        However, the Chinese aviation industry produces an impressive array of clones of Su-brand aircraft. In addition to the original J-11, J-11A and licensed J-11B, China is working on modern options, including the J-11BS, J-11D and the J-16 attack fighter. The Chinese also designed the J-15 carrier-based fighter based on the Su-33 prototype. The most effective Chinese counterparts of Dryers are the J-15, J-11D, and J-16. J-11D is in many respects the Chinese equivalent of the Su-35, although inferior to it in maneuverability, on-board electronics and propulsion. But maybe it's cheaper. It may be more attractive as an export product if the Chinese are able to create serviceable engines. But this is still far away.
        Over time, China will be able to compete with Russia in the military aviation industry, and someday even surpass it. The Chinese have a lot of money, and they are ready to spend it on developing their military potential. They also readily steal technologies that they do not already have, which helps them save development time and money. Moreover, now that they have more or less robbed Russia of useful technological innovations, Beijing is starting to raid the US military aerospace industry, trying to get its technology and production secrets.
        But China is clearly hampered by a lack of its own innovations, as well as a terribly poor quality control. This is one of the main reasons why Beijing is still not able to create a workable jet engine. Until he improves their design and production, his aerospace industry will not be able to attract customers regardless of Russia.
        sort of like a National Interest view
    2. kamski
      kamski 19 February 2018 11: 26
      what nonsense !!! Today, no experience decides; today, modern production decides, by the way, which Russia does not have !!! Also in Russia there is no science !!! South Korea did not have any experience in mechanical engineering, shipbuilding, metallurgy, tank building, etc.
      1. serg999
        serg999 19 February 2018 12: 32
        Quote: kamski
        what nonsense !!! Today, no experience decides; today, modern production decides, by the way, which Russia does not have !!! Also in Russia there is no science !!! South Korea did not have any experience in mechanical engineering, shipbuilding, metallurgy, tank building, etc.

        Pan does not shake? Maybe not dressed in size?
    CARTRIDGE 6 November 2011 01: 33
    I agree with CASCADE, this is misinformation! By the way, the topic has been walking on the Internet for a long time. Copying a fighter is not the same as copying the "Maiden Matiz". But there is one thing "but" knowing our "incorruptibility" some technologies could be sold!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 18 January 2018 13: 25
      Remember the Japanese cars of the 50-60s. And look back now.
  5. Anwar
    Anwar 24 February 2016 16: 01
    I support when the clone was better than the original wink
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  6. NordUral
    NordUral 18 January 2018 13: 23
    Tryndet about their achievements need less and more work in all directions. From development and production to industrial intelligence. And so on in everything. And do not, oh, how not to underestimate the creative potential of the Chinese.
    1. 29 January 2018 23: 39
      But you should not overestimate either. Material science in China lags significantly behind. Easier to 700 kg aircraft. It is not easy to maintain strength characteristics at the same time. Flutter on a dive and combat reversal just does not occur. And the engine life of 10-12 hours is a verdict for military aviation.
      Yes, and how Chinese electronics will behave with EMR, only Buddha knows. Moreover, the stability of the characteristics of the same Chinese AFAR or PFAR has not yet been confirmed by anyone.
      1. yehat
        yehat 20 February 2018 17: 43
        I think it’s quite possible to make it easier for 400-500 kg due to more modern electronics.
  7. Mikhail Feldman
    Mikhail Feldman 19 January 2018 19: 40
    Author, learn Russian! Jump, not a jump!
  8. tinibar
    tinibar 22 January 2018 18: 18
    Quote: KASKAD
    Do not listen to this. Chinese propaganda is not possible from scratch in 10 years to improve the plane without any experience in this area is a PR. Copy yes, put the Chinese watch in it too, but no more.

    Only the Chinese economy, like a sponge with water, is saturated with modern technologies .... But, it sucks it up, at a breakneck speed from .... Russia and Ukraine! ....
  9. shinobi
    shinobi 24 January 2018 09: 07
    Modeling a battle is not a battle. The Yankees won’t model much of their Raptor, too. But when our crackers appear in the sky nearby, they immediately dump them away.
  10. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 24 January 2018 10: 33
    ".. overtaking SU-27 for more than 20 years ..". And as far as SU-17 surpassed. Mulka, this article.
  11. alex-defensor
    alex-defensor 24 January 2018 19: 37
    From Wikipedia
    The Chinese media published an article stating that the J-11B, assembled from components made in China, surpasses the latest Russian Su-35S in terms of its technical and technical characteristics [2]. However, analysis and comparison of the characteristics of aircraft as a whole and their individual systems show that the J-11B slightly surpassed the original Su-27 and is approximately at the level of the Su-27M, that is, aircraft developments of the late 80s - early 90s
  12. Alexex
    Alexex 26 January 2018 11: 20
    Quote: KASKAD
    Do not listen to this. Chinese propaganda is not possible from scratch in 10 years to improve the plane without any experience in this area is a PR. Copy yes, put the Chinese watch in it too, but no more.

    The Japanese also started their cars by copying ...
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 February 2018 17: 44
      japanese ripping and finished
      but they are the process of bringing copies to a high standard at a reasonable price
      brought to shine
  13. morituri
    morituri 26 January 2018 14: 39
    Well, except for a smile, this article does not cause anything. This is on the verge of naive patriotism and propaganda. And the most interesting (just different without numbers) how they reduced the weight by 700 kg.?)))
    1. 29 January 2018 23: 44
      So they made the plastic sheathing, the chassis racks are made of aluminum, they filled in half a ton less fuel :-)
      But the skin is smooth and shiny
    2. On the Armor
      On the Armor 30 January 2018 18: 37
      Che, it's cunning here - they drank a piece from each wing. Business!
  14. Max Max
    Max Max 31 January 2018 08: 30
    Everything is better for everyone, for Americans, Chinese, Europeans. Only 15 years of active use have passed and all this technology flies into the pipe and only T55 is still driving desert. Such an aircraft has 1 goal - to gain superiority in the air or hit a ground target. He needs a good radar, and an air-to-air rocket or surface. There can be 100 times more electronics, you can hang up a plasma for a pilot, only on a plane it’s not possible to mine bitcoins and it’s more practical than Russians to manufacture equipment, if my memory serves me right, no one has approached me yet. Everyone praised the Abrams and the Russian tanks, for the last battles against the ig.
  15. kamski
    kamski 31 January 2018 18: 49
    Technology is everything today. In Russia, in addition to Gas and oil, in general, there is NO PRODUCTION. Gazprom NATIONAL DOG! The farther the worse, it is obvious that the lag behind the PRC in weapons is already obvious, the farther the separation will be more significant. In the Soviet past, well, you can’t ride all the time ...
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 1 February 2018 13: 22
      Who told you that? Or are you in the general trend of all-crawler? There are production facilities and quite diverse ones, but for some reason we always scold our own things.
      I envy the American only in one thing, they will never speak badly to themselves and theirs, and here we are only bent on self-abasement.
      and they’ve already gotten about oil and gas, Norway sells hydrocarbons twice as much as Russia, and nobody calls something a gas station, and the Saudis have nothing but oil, so what? Someone considers them underdeveloped?
      Every day they inspire us that we have nothing and never did. Will be. So it will be, if you believe in it. The same bastards that destroyed everything in the nineties to the ground, want to continue their work and already finish off the country.
      The Chinese have received technology from us. Less need to share secrets.
  16. sir_obs
    sir_obs 1 February 2018 13: 11
    And here I modeled on a computer and it turned out completely different. The whole question is what data to enter and what algorithms to process it. If you enter from the bulldozer, that is, the declared characteristics, then of course. It’s just that far from what is actually declared is being declared.
    Let them show in real bru, albeit training. Only now there is no one who wants it.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 5 February 2018 16: 04
      Do you want to fight? In vain you are so about the Chinese. They are already in first place in the world in patents. Our kulibin can only watch with envy.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 16 February 2018 05: 53
        It is contraindicated for you, as you are, since you are already undertaking to discuss this underreported and misunderstood ...
        Many patents do not mean many inventions, even less it means working hardware, processes, technologies, algorithms.
        Do you know that in patent cases for every WORKING idea there are up to a dozen, and sometimes much more clones that have never worked and can still be stillborn?
        Do you know that really working glands in their guts can contain solutions that have not been patented, but are the basis of this technology?
        So continue to envy the Chinese :: from your envy of Russian technical thought will not decrease, because your position is liberoid, i.e. stillborn and unproductive. ...
  17. NordUral
    NordUral 5 February 2018 16: 02
    I can’t apply anything but the words of Minister Lavrov. The bragging and unprofessionalism of "our" power, if not even worse.
  18. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 12 February 2018 07: 19
    ... as well as approaching the most modern Russian aircraft of the 4th generation Su-35BM.)))
    Here are the main words, and the rest is all copyright blah blah blah ... In China, they haven’t created anything better than Russia, even they have licensed Kalash and they cost 3 kopecks on market day.
  19. Diviz
    Diviz 20 February 2018 14: 57
    Our military has long been flying on flying saucers, while they themselves have dug in the Arctic to a depth of 3 km and are watching from a satellite - who our Americans or Chinese or UFOs will take power over the earth.
  20. Federal1
    Federal1 April 5 2020 15: 47
    Another yellow nonsense. There has never been and will never be a normal school of aircraft construction, engines, composites. Experience in combat use, there is nothing but money and espionage, engines are capitalized after 200 hours of flight, the usual stolen from all over the ha ... but. In a word, Made in China, especially China is a colossus with feet of clay, both economically and militarily. History is the best doc, a nation of slaves and hucksters, it's a pity that now they are "best" friends