World War II - a terrible blow to the USA and England in Russia, Germany and Japan

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The provocations of the West and the Japanese Empire in Finland, on Lake Hassan and Khalkin-Gol showed that the Soviet Union qualitatively strengthened its military and economic potential, that for a deadly strike on the Russian (Soviet) civilization, it was necessary to unite all the forces of Western Europe with the Japanese. To jointly crush the Great Russia, dismember and plunder it, while preserving the prosperity of the core of the capitalist system.

During the war between the USSR and Finland, the general staffs of England and France were even ready to start a war with Russia themselves, and planned to invade the Russian North, the Crimea and the Caucasus, their occupation. As a result, the Second World War could get a rather interesting scenario: England, France and their allies against the USSR. However, Finland too quickly capitulated, and Hitler struck at France, the plans of the Anglo-French war against the USSR had to be postponed.



The main violin in the game was to be played by Germany again. At the same time, the “internal problem” of the western project was solved - the weakening and final submission of Germany. Also, the owners of England and the United States planned to weaken the Old World as much as possible - continental Europe and its elite, which would take dominant positions in the global hierarchy.

The German leadership, which in the person of Hitler at times tried to pursue its global policy, became entangled in the networks of the Anglo-Saxons. And instead of building a strategic partnership with the USSR and creating an axis of prosperity and security Berlin-Moscow-Tokyo, which could successfully withstand the London-Washington alliance, and smash the "island world" again fell into the old trap. The Anglo-Saxons once again pit the Germans with the Russians. As a result, the German elite doomed the German Empire to ruin. Also, this clever move allowed the owners of England and the United States to crush their German rival (within the Western project), to occupy the western part of Germany, more than half of Europe, and then half of the world. Germany will be appointed the chief “scapegoat”, Hitler and his entourage will be called “the greatest criminals of the world.” Although in reality, Hitler clearly does not reach the level of the masters of England and the United States, who are the real instigators of several world wars and dozens and hundreds of regional, local wars and conflicts, revolutions, coups, insurrections, massacres. After the war, West Germany will be turned into a semi-colony of England and the USA, a strategic foothold in the struggle against the USSR-Russia. To date, Berlin is subject to the will of the owners of the United States.

Just before the war, using the so-called. Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Russia was able to regain its ancestral lands in the Baltic States, in the west of White and Little Russia, in Bessarabia (Moldova). This brilliant step not only reunited almost all Russians (Ruses) in one power and restored the primordial Russian lands, but also improved the military-strategic position of the USSR before the start of a major war. The borders in the west were shifted for hundreds of kilometers forward, which significantly alleviated the position of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, the Westerners hate this treaty and throw mud at it. After all, he ensured the reunification of the Russian lands, the Russian super-ethnos, and became one of the prerequisites for the future Great Victory. The Soviet Union, thanks to the non-aggression pact with Germany, was able to gain time and better prepare for war.

In this way, USA and England, contrary to the false version storiesadopted in the West and blaming everything on the losing side, they use Germany as an "anti-Russian ram" and unleash a big war in Europe. The despicable Munich collusion made the West’s hosts understand to Hitler that Europe was put at its disposal, except for several “reserves” (Switzerland, Sweden). “Financial International” finances Hitler's Germany. The Third Reich is armed to the teeth.

As a result, the masters of the West surrendered most of Europe to Hitler — Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Yugoslavia, and Greece. The masters of France, knowing the layout and tasks of the Second World War, capitulated to the Third Reich practically without a fight, while England withdraws its forces from Europe, providing Germany with steel backs for aggression against Russia. Italy, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia support the "crusade" to the East. Spain, Switzerland, the Vatican and Sweden became the reliable rear of the Eternal Reich in the struggle against Soviet civilization.

At the same time, even before the start of the big war in Europe, Britain and the United States initiate and secretly support the expansion of Japan in the Pacific, incite the Japanese to China and the USSR. Thus, in Europe, create a Germanic ram, and in the East - the Japanese samurai sword. Two large hotbeds of war that should initiate a global slaughter.

The masters of the West have long used the strategy of "divide, poison, and conquer," realizing that it is best to fight with someone else's hands, someone else's "cannon fodder." This allows not only to save your resources, time and effort, but to cash in on supplies weapons and other products, drive competitors into debt bondage. In this way, in the east, the Japanese empire became an instrument of the masters of the West, which from 1931 onwards attacked China, plundered and occupied a significant part of the Celestial Empire.

According to the plans of the owners of the USA and England, after consolidating their positions in China and simultaneously with the German attack on the European part of Russia, Japan had to attack the eastern part of the USSR with all its might, to occupy Siberia and the Far East. These plans were supported by a large part of the Japanese generals. The masters of the West farsightedly determined that, sooner or later, the plundered wealth and the territories seized by the Japanese would come under the control of the American empire.

Therefore, in the West they did not fear that the Japanese would seize a significant part of China, Russia and Southeast Asia. Firstly, the West had a great financial and economic impact on Japan, which has not yet resolved the resource base issue. Secondly, the technological level of the West was much higher than the Japanese. That is, the West had a technological, military-economic superiority over the Japanese empire. The economies of the USA and England (taking into account the colonial empire) were much stronger than the economy of Japan. If, after a big war with the Japanese, they did not find a common language, they could have been easily crushed, or taught a good lesson, having selected the previously stolen and seized.

However, the millennial Japanese civilization was wiser than Hitler. The Japanese emperor and the high command, after the lessons of Hassan and Khalkin-Gol, understood that the USSR had reached a new military and economic level and it was extremely dangerous to fight with it. It is easier to use a big war in Europe that will tie up the resources of England and possibly the United States in order to develop expansion to the south, continue to seize China and begin to occupy the colonies of the Western powers.

In this way, the Japanese saw the vile game of the hosts of the West. What do they want to use, break through the road to victory over the USSR, go to Moscow for their (and German) corpses. Therefore, Tokyo began his game.

The Japanese empire did not attack the USSR in the summer of 1941, as it was expected in Berlin, London and Washington. In response, the United States, the United Kingdom and the Dutch government in exile (which still controlled the oil and rubber-rich provinces of the Dutch East Indies) agreed on an embargo on the supply of oil and steel to Japan - key goods for the Japanese military machine. Tokyo realized that this was a threat of military blockade and war, and the only chance to win was a quick crushing blow to the enemy with the aim of controlling the Asia-Pacific region. 7-10 December 1941, the Japanese attacked Americans in Pearl Harbor, the British colony of Hong Kong, the Philippines, Thailand, Malaya and Singapore.

For this samurai choice of Japan, Western masters will avenge severely. But before that there will be years of heavy fighting at sea and land. The Japanese Empire will thwart part of the plans of the owners of the West, will divert to themselves the large land, sea and air forces of England, British India, Holland, Australia and the USA. This will confuse the cards to the owners of Britain and the USA. They expected that the united forces of Europe led by Germany in the West and Japan of the East would strike at Great Russia, crush and divide it. However, Germany and Japan will be weakened by a heavy war, the occupation of vast territories, and will have to give up leading positions on the planet of England and the United States, agreeing to the role of "junior partners", or crush them. There were other instruments of influence, "soft power." So, Hitler could eliminate the disgruntled generals. They could use nuclear weapons as blackmail, which they had already been developing in secret.

Under the scenario proposed by Japan, the United States really had to fight in the Asia-Pacific region, and did not wait in the rear of the Japanese empire when Russia collapses, or the Japanese wash themselves with blood and will have to retreat under pressure from the Red Army. This has saved Russia hundreds of thousands, millions of lives. But the masters of the West are able to turn visible defeats into victories. Moving away from the first defeats, the masters of the United States and England mobilize forces and go on the counterattack. After fierce battles, the Japanese fleet will be destroyed. Japanese “paper cities” will turn massive American heavy raids into ashes aviation.

Moreover, in order to take revenge on Japan, to show who is the boss on the planet, atomic strikes would be inflicted on Japan, although they did not have military significance. It was a mental blow to the Japanese elite. And the Japanese were bent, but not broken. A significant part of the military committed suicide, taking responsibility for the defeat. Japan, like Germany, became a semi-colony of the United States, a military strategic bridgehead - the "land carrier" of the American empire. The Japanese economy was subordinated to the "financial international". However, Japan has retained the imperial throne, its faith, that is, there is a hope that Japan will still throw off the American yoke.

The history of the Second World War is thoroughly permeated by the Anglo-American meanness. While the Russian people and the Germans were dying by the millions on the battlefields, the masters of England and the USA made billions of gold. The global war, which ruined Europe, the European part of Russia, China and much of the Asia-Pacific region, fabulously enriched England and the United States. The masters of the Western world, the capitalist system, who unleashed a global slaughter on the blood and bones of tens of millions of people, managed to overcome the crisis and the Great Depression. Moreover, to achieve a fantastic breakthrough in the economy. The US military-industrial complex received a new development. In fact, it was during this period that the USA created a first-class military-industrial complex, an army and a fleet of global importance. At the same time, the Americans almost did not have to head-on to face a real, yet invincible Wehrmacht model 1940-1943, which would have shattered the American army to shreds. Or to war with the Russians, who, with their strong teeth, first retreated to Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad, and then rested and went to conquer their lands, took Warsaw, Budapest, Vienna, Königsberg, Berlin and Prague.

It is worth noting that the owners of the West, according to the old scheme, have now unleashed the Fourth World War (the Third World War ended with the fall of the USSR). Again, dozens of countries and people are covered with blood, millions of people are killed and maimed, have become refugees. Again, Eurasia is turned into a huge battlefield. And the owners of the United States and England are counting profits, receiving flows of capital, gold, overcoming the crisis and planning to create on the bones of the old world a new world order - a global neo-slave-owning civilization. Russia is condemned to slaughter again.

In 1941-1943 Anglo-Saxons mentally divided the skins of the Russian and German "bears". They anticipated a colossal life that would allow them to live a long time without crises, taking advantage of looted wealth and resources in the vast space from Berlin to Vladivostok. In London and Washington, they believed that Berlin would prevail, but would suffer great losses, would have to maintain a huge occupying army, and fight the partisan movement. As a result, the United States and Britain will be able to put Germany in a dependent position.

However, Russia once again confused the plans of the owners of the West. At the head of Great Russia, then, there was not a fake “democratic elect”, and not a government, ready to “optimize” everything and everyone, but a wise and tough leader who is well acquainted with the tactics and strategy of “global backstage”. Not believing not the single word "partners", Stalin in the pre-war years mobilized the entire Soviet (Russian) civilization, all the great Russian people to fight the century-old enemy. The Red Army had a powerful rear, a military-industrial complex, producing all types of weapons and equipment, science, creating advanced weapons, a single educated and healthy people, believing in a “bright future,” embodying the ideals of good on Earth and ready to die for their homeland.

As a result, the steel of Stalingrad and Magnitogorsk proved stronger than the Ruhr iron. In the battle of the titans, the Russians took up. The Soviet Union not only withstood a tremendous force hit almost the whole of Europe, but also became stronger. In 1943, the Red Army broke the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad and Kursk, seized the strategic initiative in the war. Britain and the United States, who waited, limiting themselves to private operations, supplying the USSR with resources and equipment, so as not to fall prematurely and deplete Germany more, are forced to intensify their activities in Africa and Europe. The British and Americans realized that Moscow itself could defeat Hitler, and put the majority of Europe under control. It is necessary to land troops in France in order to retain Western Europe. In desperation, Churchill even wanted to land an army in the Balkans in order to cut off the Red Army from the main European centers. But it was an adventure and abandoned.

In the summer of 1944, the Allies landed in France. England and the United States through their agents in Germany were able to win over part of the generals. German generals tried to eliminate Hitler, but he miraculously survived. However, part of the German leadership began to take positions on the Western (French) front. Virtually all select Wehrmacht divisions fought in the East, trying to contain the Russians. In the West, the Germans with the divisions surrendered, retreated. The "partners" of Russia did not disarm the German troops, retained their structure and command, so that at the right moment they would throw them at the Red Army, at the Russians. At the same time, the Americans “heroically” bombed cities and towns, where there were no German troops, in order to undermine the will of the German people to resist, intimidate the Germans, and break them down a generation ahead. So, in February 1945, the Anglo-American strategic aviation wiped out Dresden. And so it was everywhere - the destruction of the civilian population, mass violence, robbery and the export of good. They robbed everything: they took out the technical achievements of Germany (for example, the Von Braun ballistic missile), jewels and gold, simple soldiers took out all the good they could get.

The German divisions left, planned together to attack the Russians (Operation "Unthinkable"). But they did not dare. Spirit was not enough. The Russian army at that time was the most powerful on the planet. If Britain and the United States and the allies started a war against the USSR, the Russians would have knocked out the former "allies" from Europe. London and Washington did not dare to start an open, "hot" war. But they started a secret, informational and ideological war, a war of special services and propaganda apparatus, with outbreaks of real war in disputed regions and Third World countries. The Third World was called the Cold War. Although it was a real war, but without an open, honest fight of the Russians with the Americans and the British.

In this way, in 1941-1945 Soviet civilization, the Russian superethnos, accomplished a universal feat by crushing the inferno funnel in Europe and giving humanity a chance for a different, more equitable life. The world after the war, contrary to the plans of the masters of the West, was divided into three parts:

It was the civilization of the future, socialist Great Russia (USSR). Hope and the guiding star of all mankind for a just order and the creation of a society where a person will not be an “animal”, a consumer-slave, but a creator. The USSR became the core of the socialist camp.

The second camp is the western world. The masters of the West have been building the “New World Order” for centuries - a caste, non-slave-owning civilization. The basis of the western project is parasitism, existence at the expense of resources, the “blood” of the surrounding world, where all wealth and resources go to the core of the western capitalist system, and the periphery is poor, constant instability, providing overconsumption of the “golden billion” and its owners.

The third camp is the “third world”, the peoples awakening with the support of Russia, the countries that are trying to break the shackles of colonialism, expelling planters, speculators, capitalists from their lands.

It is clear that such a world did not suit the masters of the West; therefore, already during the Second World War, they began the Third World War — a “cold” war against the USSR and the social bloc countries (As the masters of the West unleashed the Third World War; How the West won the Third World War and destroyed Great Russia (USSR)). This war ended in 1985-1991. complete defeat and the collapse of the USSR and the social block. A key role in the defeat of the USSR was played by the degenerated “elite”, who wanted to “live beautifully”, seizing people's property and becoming part of the global “elite”.
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  1. +3
    26 October 2016 06: 25
    It is clear that the people are tired of fighting, but it was necessary to go further and cleanse all of Europe, including the Tin Islands. We could do that.
    1. +12
      26 October 2016 08: 13
      That is, you propose to attack yesterday’s allies? From a moral point of view, even Hitler’s attack on the USSR would have faded before this. You would still advise Stalin.
      1. +2
        26 October 2016 08: 21
        Quote: kalibr
        That is, you propose to attack yesterday’s allies?

        Do not grind nonsense, Vyacheslav. I wrote it was necessary toAnd not need now. And they wanted to crush the USSR, but the gut was thin.
        1. +9
          26 October 2016 08: 48
          Yes, I will add. For me, they are not allies, but robbers who entered the war at the last stage in order to grab a piece fatter. Say a land lease? So the USSR paid for it in gold. They are allies for the fifth column, the bright representative of which is you, Vyacheslav.
          1. +4
            26 October 2016 10: 48
            Bright representative is always cool!
          2. +7
            26 October 2016 11: 37
            As for gold ... There were a lot of articles on the VO with pieces from the text of the Lend-Lease agreement that supplies expended or destroyed during the hostilities are not payable. Payable (like any product) everything ordered in excess of quotas. Do you pay for goods in the store? Well, here we had to pay for all our orders.
            Quote: EvgNik

            “but we had to go further and cleanse all of Europe, including the Tin Islands. We could do that.
            - that is, then it would not put us on a par with Hitler in the eyes of world public opinion? I understand you?
            1. +2
              26 October 2016 11: 40
              Quote: kalibr
              I understand you?

              As a pro-Western person, you don’t understand me at all.
          3. +1
            27 October 2016 11: 42
            Quote: EvgNik
            Say a land lease? So the USSR paid for it in gold.

            how much you can exaggerate this nonsense!
            Quote: EvgNik
            robbers who entered the war at the last stage,

            and this one too. In your opinion, our troops with Japan have fought since the 41st year, participated in the battle for Britain, and the Germans were slaughtered in the Mediterranean and Africa.
            1. +7
              27 October 2016 11: 55
              Quote: veteran66
              how much you can exaggerate this nonsense!

              Cruiser Edinburgh with gold on account of supplies, the same nonsense?
              Quote: veteran66
              In your opinion, our troops with Japan have fought since the 41st year, participated in the battle for Britain, and the Germans were slaughtered in the Mediterranean and Africa.

              And what is the scale of these "epic" battles, in Africa? And the so-called air war, where the loss of German aircraft for the year is less than the loss of the same German aircraft in the period from June 22, 1941 to October 1941.
              What was so "epic" in the Mediterranean Sea, apart from the complete defeat of the British in Crete, for example?
              Our troops of the Kwantung Army, in a million, were put on the shoulder blades in two weeks, and what did you do? And ... two cities were demolished by a vigorous bonboy ...
              The fact is true, to the cap analysis gentlemen, the arrogant Saxons appeared, giving in 1941 a promise to Hitler not to interfere with him in the war with the USSR.
              Try to refute? In this case, read about the mission of Hess, in England, with his proposals to England.
              1. +6
                27 October 2016 13: 27
                That's right, Vlad. Only these gentlemen are not convinced by any facts - they read other books.
                1. +2
                  27 October 2016 18: 50
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  they read other books.

                  Yes, not the propaganda of the CPSU
                  1. +3
                    27 October 2016 19: 03
                    Of course, you read exclusively Solzhenitsyn and his ilk — you listened exclusively to Radio Liberty and Free Europe, you read all the rubbish of samizdat, you had no time to read not only the propaganda of the CPSU, but generally normal literature, and watch normal films.
                    1. 0
                      28 October 2016 18: 28
                      no, I read everything that all Soviet children read, the History of the USSR, including. They did not give us Solzhenitsyn and others to read. I read "Ivan Denisych" only after the 10th grade. As for the "rubbish", a lot of this "rubbish" is recognized world literature, awarded prizes, incl. Nobel. And the rubbish on the shelves of libraries and bookstores stood and gathered dust as unnecessary, "socialist realism" was called. Yes, "Voice of America" ​​sometimes listened to what? What was it reported there? In a dress like that in the GSVG from idleness they listened to one program and? The chief of staff in front of the formation brought us the same at the end of the month in an order for an emergency in the group. And about an accident with the death of a German family, and about a canister of alcohol, after which half a company went blind. Nothing new was reported there.
              2. +1
                27 October 2016 18: 50
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                Cruiser Edinburgh with gold on account of supplies, the same nonsense?

                it's not a land lease
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                And what is the scale of these "epic" battles in Africa?

                what matters is not scale, but the outcome. The result is that the Hans failed to enter the Caspian through the Middle East, Turkey did not enter the war, therefore, the Dardanelles with the Bosphorus remained closed. I think we should not tell what threatened us with the capture of the Caucasus and the Caspian.
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                What was so "epic" in the Mediterranean Sea, apart from the complete defeat of the British in Crete, for example?

                exactly as much as the epic was in the defeat of our troops in Sevastopol. But at the same time you forget Malta, which you never took.
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                Our troops are a million Kwantung army

                there weren't a million there, but there were second-rate reservists and local hunghuzes, and where there was a normal Japanese army (the Kuriles and Sakhalin), not everything just worked out there, they never reached Hokkaido. Result, "Marshall Case"
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                In this case, read about the mission of Hess, to England, with his proposals to England.

                this mission is still incomprehensible to anyone, and Hess is not the whole elite of Germany, at one time Stalin also exaggerated the case of a separate peace with Germany in the 42nd, through the Swedes.
                Take the trouble to study the history more thoroughly and not according to the propaganda of the idol department of the CPSU, and only then sprinkle with saliva.
                1. +5
                  27 October 2016 19: 18
                  Quote: veteran66
                  it's not a land lease

                  Teach materiel
                  In the spring of 1942, the Soviet government began to pay the Allies for Lend-Lease supplies. Soviet gold (93 boxes - 471 ingots of the highest 999 standard, with a total weight of 5,5 tons) was intended for the Americans as payment. They decided to send a particularly valuable cargo with the QP-11 convoy, believing that the route through the North Atlantic was the fastest and safest. The ingots were delivered under great secrecy and impressive security to Murmansk, where they waited for "Edinburgh"

                  Quote: veteran66
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Cruiser Edinburgh with gold on account of supplies, the same nonsense?

                  it's not a land lease
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  And what is the scale of these "epic" battles in Africa?

                  what matters is not scale, but the outcome. The result is that the Hans failed to enter the Caspian through the Middle East, Turkey did not enter the war, therefore, the Dardanelles with the Bosphorus remained closed. I think we should not tell what threatened us with the capture of the Caucasus and the Caspian.
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  What was so "epic" in the Mediterranean Sea, apart from the complete defeat of the British in Crete, for example?

                  exactly as much as the epic was in the defeat of our troops in Sevastopol. But at the same time you forget Malta, which you never took.
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Our troops are a million Kwantung army

                  there weren't a million there, but there were second-rate reservists and local hunghuzes, and where there was a normal Japanese army (the Kuriles and Sakhalin), not everything just worked out there, they never reached Hokkaido. Result, "Marshall Case"
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  In this case, read about the mission of Hess, to England, with his proposals to England.

                  this mission is still incomprehensible to anyone, and Hess is not the whole elite of Germany, at one time Stalin also exaggerated the case of a separate peace with Germany in the 42nd, through the Swedes.
                  Take the trouble to study the history more thoroughly and not according to the propaganda of the idol department of the CPSU, and only then sprinkle with saliva.

                  Learn materiel. Tales about a separate world, there is a dirty myth and nothing more.
                  The operations in the Mediterranean had nothing to do with the Caucasus.
                  Britain's military efforts in the war with Germany until June 1944 consisted only in repelling the Luftwaffe raids on England in 1940, protecting the Mediterranean route to the British colonies in the Middle East and Asia and, accordingly, to counter the Italo-German invasion of North Africa in 1941-1943, as well as further participation in 1943 in hostilities in Sicily and southern Italy (together with the USA). After the United States declared war on Germany (December 11, 1941) on the way to America on December 16, 1941, Churchill drew up a document on the goals of the actions of the two countries: “At the moment, the failure of Hitler's plans and his loss in Russia are of paramount importance in the course of the war. the anticipated easy and quick victory he will have to ... withstand bloody battles ... Neither the United Kingdom nor the United States should take any part in these events, except that we are obliged to provide with punctual accuracy all the supplies that we promised "[ 22, v.2, p.295] .http: //nnm.me/blogs/scheissenman46/ob-isti
                  nnom-smysle-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-3 /
                  Quote: veteran66
                  there weren't a million there, but there were second-rate reservists and local hunghuzes, and where there was a normal Japanese army (the Kuriles and Sakhalin), not everything just worked out there, they never reached Hokkaido. Result, "Marshall Case"

                  Go to school, the military rank of MARSHAL is written with ONE letter L at the end, all your other arguments are at the same level, ignorance of spelling rules is similar to ignorance of History.
                  Quote: veteran66
                  this mission is still incomprehensible to anyone, and Hess is not the whole elite of Germany, at one time Stalin also exaggerated the case of a separate peace with Germany in the 42nd, through the Swedes.

                  Frank nonsense.
                  The mission of GESSA was to try to organize an alliance between Hitler and England, an alliance between him and the United States in addition, for which there was a fad in his proposals, providing that everything that goes to the Urals goes to Germany; the rest is shared by England and the USA, it did not work, Stalin did not.
                  Hitler was guaranteed almost complete impunity for the one-front robbery of the Third Reich against the USSR until 1944! This was personally spoken about by the Prime Minister of Great Britain W. Churchill! Yes, in general, not only talked. And not just the ambassador. From the very beginning of secret correspondence with Stalin, Churchill unequivocally showed that, firstly, his bet on the longest possible war between Germany and the USSR. Secondly, that neither he nor the Americans absolutely intend to urgently open a second front in Europe
                  http://profilib.com/chtenie/79946/arsen-martirosy
                  an-tragedy-1941-goda-40.php
                  So besides you, who screaming deceitfully agitating false agitation, sprinkling foam in a rage there is nobody else here.
                  1. +1
                    28 October 2016 18: 19
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    In the spring of 1942, the Soviet government began to pay allies for supplies under Lend-Lease.

                    you read first the law on Lend-Lease http://www.grinchevskiy.ru/1900-1945/zakon-o-lend
                    -lize.php so as not to carry heresy, and Edinburgh was transporting gold for deliveries of the 41st year, mainly from the UK, which did not fall under the law on LL.
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    England’s military efforts in the war with Germany until June 1944 consisted only of repelling the Luftwaffe raids on England in 1940, protecting the Mediterranean route to the British colonies in the Middle East and Asia and, accordingly, counteracting the Italo-German invasion of North Africa in 1941-1943

                    Well, of course, the British had to allow themselves to bomb with impunity, and the Germans in the Reich did not have enough sand, so they rushed to the Sahara to win back. Stop raving already. You at least get acquainted with Hitler's plans for the Middle East. And then I got to the bottom of the "marshall", not arguments, so at least to the commas we get to the bottom, a typical shovel approach. By the way, umneg, marshal is originally a German word and is spelled with two l, but mixed it up, I speak other languages. There is no point in reading and refuting all this nonsense.
                    1. +1
                      29 October 2016 01: 19
                      Hess, remember, just in case, just in case, remember how the war in the air quietly came to naught by 41, exactly by June 22, then remember the numbers that during the so-called air war with England, the Germans lost aircraft in less than June – October 41 .
                      Ksati "umneg" we do not have German or English, but Russian, it is written MARSHAL and not otherwise.
                      Study Hitler’s plans, apparently this is the only thing you studied.
          4. +5
            27 October 2016 13: 14
            So the USSR paid for it in gold

            I didn’t pay.
            Only for what then did not want to return. And then after many years and without inflation
            1. +1
              29 October 2016 09: 56
              Listen, 302 times Lend-Lease has already been discussed.
              So maybe you can figure out what pre-lendlis is, how deliveries were made according to 4 protocols, and who made the decision on the volumes and nomenclature of deliveries.
              And most importantly, what the USSR wrote off on receipt, what it wrote off on loss, that it paid, that it was obliged to return (but could pay), and that it was obliged to pay, but it did not pay.
              For all these categories are present simultaneously.
              As for ethical categories, always remember the following extract from the Lend-Lease Act:
              By a decision of the joint session of the Senate and House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States of America, to approve this Act, which may be referred to as the United States Protection Act.
        2. +4
          26 October 2016 20: 00
          Yes, no one needed it, the West did not pull the further war economically, the USSR - physically. Article - urapatriotic propaganda from the category "I will kill all, one will stay"
        3. +5
          26 October 2016 20: 04
          EvgNik

          It should be noted that the level of language and style of presentation of the material in the article is very suitable for students in grade 8. I read the article with difficulty without obvious interest. Once I tried to read a booklet of evangelists, or Jehovah's Witnesses, I do not understand them. So this article is written in exactly the same style.

          Because I didn't want to read it scrupulously. Having run superficially, I draw a conclusion. It is impossible to characterize the article with the level of "near scientific". The article is very similar to the essay of a high school student. The benefits are minimal.

          For the works of the article can be put a plus. But such narratives lower the level of VO.
          1. +1
            27 October 2016 11: 44
            Quote: gladcu2
            The level of language and style of presentation of the material in the article is very suitable for students in grade 8.

            like the lubok placed at its beginning
          2. +2
            27 October 2016 13: 15
            . Minimum benefit

            This is a genre of "military fantasy"
      2. +5
        26 October 2016 12: 01
        W. Churchill Plan of attack on the USSR "Unthinkable", does it tell you anything? Soyuznichki .... http: //www.coldwar.ru/bases/
        operation-unthinkable.php
        Quote: kalibr
        That is, you propose to attack yesterday’s allies
        1. +3
          26 October 2016 14: 20
          Get on the same board with Churchill? How nice! After all, the plan was not implemented, and here the man clearly did not think twice offering to fight further.
          1. +2
            26 October 2016 15: 22
            Do you have logic like that?
        2. +1
          27 October 2016 11: 47
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          W. Churchill Plan of attack on the USSR "Unthinkable", does it mean anything to you?

          Churchill was not yet the whole of England (besides, it was removed), at that time he had reasons to write this article, because in the USSR there were plans to move to La Mancha. Why didn’t you remember the same Churchill’s oven the next day, after Germany attacked us?
          1. +2
            27 October 2016 19: 24
            Vap, what educational program is there to read? I already read quite a lot of your questionable quality pearls, so take care to study something else except agitation rezung, Yusolonin, chipped and other swanidz
            In 1936, discussing the principles of British foreign policy, Churchill declared: “For 400 years, Britain’s foreign policy has been to confront the strongest, most aggressive, most influential power on the continent ... We have always ... united with less powerful powers, created with they coalition and thus defeated and frustrated the plans of the continental military tyrant, no matter who he was, at the head of whatever country he stood. ... The policy of England does not at all take into account which country seeks dominance in Europe. It is not a matter of whether it is Spain, the French monarchy, the French empire, the German empire or the Hitler regime. She does not care about which rulers or countries in question ... Therefore, we should not be afraid that we might be accused of a pro-French or anti-German position. If the circumstances changed, we could equally take a pro-German or anti-French position. ”

            Read more: http://www.km.ru/front-projects/krestovyi-pokhod-
            zapada-protiv-rossii / nenavist-cherchillya-k-russk
            im-varvaram
            In the evening of June 22, 1941, Churchill made a lengthy speech, recalling that he had always been an enemy of communism, and would never give up his statements and actions against him. However, now, they say, he is ready to show solidarity with the Russian people. Mainly, because "the danger to Russia is a danger to us and to America, and the struggle of every Russian for his home and hearth is the struggle of every free person in any corner of the globe"
            And behind Stalin's back he was not shy about voicing his true intentions regarding the USSR. The Germans also attacked the defenders of Stalingrad and climbed into the Caucasus when Churchill wrote to members of the English military cabinet in his memorandum: “All my thoughts are directed primarily to Europe, as the progenitor of modern nations and civilization. A terrible catastrophe would have happened if Russian barbarism destroyed the culture and independence of the ancient European states. " actions against Russia in case complications arise in the course of further negotiations with it. We were commissioned to conduct such a study. ”

            A quarter of a century later, West German publicist Sebastian Haffzer wrote on this subject: “Hitler’s hope for a clash between the West and the East was not so unfounded: in the spring and early summer of 1945 there really was a danger (or, if you like, chance) that a war between the winners could break out At once. At least one of the leading figures in the coalition, Churchill, according to reliable sources, was ready and even strove for this. "
      3. +1
        26 October 2016 12: 56
        Quote: kalibr
        That is, you propose to attack yesterday’s allies? From a moral point of view, even Hitler’s attack on the USSR would have faded before this. You would still advise Stalin.


        GDP recently said what AG did
        1. 0
          26 October 2016 20: 02
          It's time to publish "Quotation of GDP"
          1. +5
            26 October 2016 20: 38
            Is it time to publish "Quotation of GDP"? Then create "Russian Red Guards"? Then cut out or send to "re-education" the Russian intelligentsia, better, to the wall, to the felling and the mines. And, then, at the helm, d ..... will remain, like: "We are all in formation! Step to the right, step to the left ... etc." In the sense of "I am the boss, you d ...., and do not have the right to have your point of view!" Who thinks so, join the "Surgeon". From the word "CHIR"? Guardsmen are now in vogue in Russian "patriotic" media. What does this have to do with the interests of RUSSIA !? Maybe only with the interests of some specific "bosses" -. By the way, for those who do not think with their heads yet, but believe the presenters of "Vremya Pokazet", China has long passed such a system and is moving forward, but in Russia, everything cannot get out of 1937, and everyone is praying for the death penalty.
            Questions for "What, Where, When":
            1) The death penalty has helped the modern Chinese economy?
            2) Was the US economy created with the help of the GULAGs?
      4. +2
        26 October 2016 16: 18
        I support you
    2. +6
      26 October 2016 11: 42
      Quote: EvgNik
      It is clear that the people are tired of fighting, but it was necessary to go further and cleanse all of Europe, including the Tin Islands. We could do that.

      Could not. The mobilization potential of the USSR was exhausted. Remember the average number of rifle divisions before the start of the Berlin operation? On average - a third of the standard. In tank formations of motorized rifles - also a third of the state. And this is after replenishment! It was not from a good life that they had to support rifle regiments with artillery divisions (the ammunition for which they had been saving for 2 months).

      We'd just get bogged down in British-American-French-German meat. And at this time, our rear services (stations, railway junctions, bridges) would be processing "boxes" of RAF and USAAF bombers - from heights unattainable for us. And it is very difficult to fight without a supply.
      1. +5
        26 October 2016 12: 02
        “At that time did the Soviet leadership have plans to advance to the shores of the Atlantic and capture the British Isles?” This question should be answered in the negative. Confirmation of this is the law adopted by the USSR on June 23, 1945 on the demobilization of the army and navy, their subsequent transfer to the states of peacetime. Demobilization began on July 5, 1945 and ended in 1948. The army and navy were reduced from 11 million to less than 3 million people, the State Defense Committee and the Supreme High Command Headquarters were abolished. The number of military districts in 1945–1946 decreased from 33 to 21. Significantly reduced the number of troops in East Germany, Poland and Romania. In September 1945, Soviet troops were withdrawn from northern Norway, in November from Czechoslovakia, in April 1946 from the island of Bornholm (Denmark), and in December 1947 from Bulgaria ...

        Did the Soviet leadership know about the British plans for the war against the USSR? This question, perhaps, can be answered in the affirmative ... Indirectly confirms this and a prominent expert on the history of the Soviet armed forces, Professor D. Erickson of the University of Edinburgh. In his opinion, Churchill’s plan helps explain “why Marshal Zhukov unexpectedly decided to regroup his forces in June 1945, received orders from Moscow to strengthen the defense and study in detail the deployment of troops of the Western Allies. Now the reasons are clear: obviously, Churchill’s plan became known in advance to Moscow and the Stalin General Staff took appropriate countermeasures ”(Oleg Rzheshevsky
        Military historical research http://militera.lib.ru/research/rzheshevsky1/01.h
        tml)
        1. +4
          26 October 2016 16: 10
          In 1945, with the replenishment in general, the full fifth point was. Judging by the statistics of the Urals, where in 1941 it was possible to mobilize people into the corps, in 1944 there remained an incomplete battalion.
          It was possible to count only on the next draft age. But even here there was an ambush: according to uv. M. Svirina, 3 out of 4 recruits in 1945 were diagnosed with dystrophy. In the memoirs of a participant in the Manchurian offensive, it is often said directly: the replenishment received at the call had to be fattened at first - otherwise it was even impossible to train them.

          In short, the only possible reserve of the army was the forces already available to the armed forces - internal districts and the Far East. In the event of a war with the Allies, one cannot count on a transfer from the Far East. Moreover, it would not have been necessary to strengthen the FEF and ZabVO.
          1. +1
            26 October 2016 16: 20
            In 42g they began to call from 17 years
            1. +1
              27 October 2016 10: 53
              Quote: antivirus
              In 42g they began to call from 17 years

              And where is this myth from?
              Give a document confirming your myth.
              There is a single Decree on the draft and that, with a clear wording, in training and spare parts, and not on the front.
              KO / 194410 / gko_6784.html
              There is such a Directive.
              VGK BET DIRECTIVE DIRECTOR No. 46163 TO THE COMMANDER OF THE TRANSPORT FRONTIER FORCES ON THE DIRECTION OF THE PERSONNEL STRUCTURE TO SUPPLEMENT THE TROOPS OF THE NORTH CAUCASUS FRONT
              Copies: to the chiefs of the Main Directorate of Formation and Manning of Troops, MCC of the Red Army VOSO, the Commander of the North Caucasus Front.
              On May 7, 1943, the headquarters of the Supreme High Command ordered to reduce immediately the number of front-line troops by GKO decree No. 3282 of May 2, to immediately select 6000 well-trained junior lieutenants from their spare parts, recovering battalions, discharged from hospitals, training units, and junior and middle commanders of the infantry, from among the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and send them to the commander of the North Caucasian Front with the expectation of arrival no later than May 15
              Conscripts born in 1925 and local nationalities should not be included in the replenishment.
              Destination - Krasnodar. Present the transportation request directly to the VOSO MCC.
              Report replenishment immediately.
              By order of the Supreme Command Headquarters A. VASILEVSKY
              TsAMO. F. 48a. Op. 3409. D. 8. L. 121. The original.
              EXPLAIN why so, or do you understand?
              And the full text explaining what, how and where to use the 1927 conscripts
              http://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/text/6784.html
          2. +4
            26 October 2016 22: 28
            "In 1945, with the replenishment in general, the full fifth point was" ////

            Moreover, among the Russian population that suffered the greatest losses,
            reserves were completely exhausted. Recruits recruited by raids
            in the villages of Central Asia. And almost without preparation - to Germany.
            There was a curious case when such an untrained company of Uzbeks, crazy about the explosions,
            fire, fire during the storming of Berlin went to surrender to the Germans. When a German officer
            I understood somehow what’s the matter, then calmly explained that I couldn’t take them prisoner
            for the reason that he himself leads his soldiers to surrender to the Russians. smile
            The poor fellow judged the tribunal, from where it became known about this sad .
            1. +1
              26 October 2016 22: 44
              Yes, the warriors are still those, with rare exceptions. I read the veteran's memoirs about the Asian replenishment; after the first shots, five dragged to the rear of a lightly wounded countryman.
              But there were heroes, very few but there were: Gulyam Karimov (1918—2014) - Lt. Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army, participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (1945).
              Biography [edit | edit wiki text]
              Gulyam Karimov was born on November 10, 1918 in the village of Yanaryk (now the Ordzhonikidze district of the Tashkent region of Uzbekistan). He graduated from high school. In 1938-1940 he served in the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army. After demobilization, he graduated from teacher training courses. In March 1942, Karimov was re-drafted into the army. In the same year he graduated from junior lieutenant courses. Since October 1943 - on the fronts of World War II. By August 1944, the Guard Lieutenant Gulyam Karimov commanded a machine-gun platoon of the 132nd Guards Rifle Regiment of the 42nd Guards Rifle Division of the 40th Army of the 2nd Ukrainian Front. Distinguished during the liberation of Romania
              On August 19-21, 1944, Karimov participated in the battles near the village of Soch, southwest of the city of Pashkani. The fighters of his platoon destroyed several bunkers and pillboxes, and also repelled several German counterattacks
              By decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of March 24, 1945, for “exemplary fulfillment of command assignments and shown courage and heroism in battles with the German invaders” of the guard, Lieutenant Gulyam Karimov was awarded the high title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the award of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal number 4737 [1].
              In 1944, Gulyamov was sacked. Currently lives in the village of Kibray, Ordzhonikidze district of Uzbekistan, before retiring, he worked in the human resources department of the local agricultural machinery association
              He was also awarded the orders of the Red Banner, World War 1 and 2 degrees, the Red Star, the Badge of Honor, and a number of medals.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%
              D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%93%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F
              % D0% BC
              Educated, graduated from military courses, this is of course very important.
              1. +2
                27 October 2016 09: 12
                I did not try to denigrate the Uzbek people.
                When untrained people are thrown into a terrible city battle,
                then, regardless of nationality, anyone can ride a roof.
            2. +3
              27 October 2016 10: 42
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Recruits recruited by raids
              in the villages of Central Asia. And almost without preparation - to Germany.

              This myth, where did they come from?
              In the SA, from 1942 they did not create a national formation anymore, so what mythical company of Uzbeks, a slender column of captivity, who are you surrendering in Berlin?
              At the expense of reserves and their exhaustion, you are not confusing Hitler’s losses and the formation of units from boys, the disabled and the elderly — this is a reality, unlike your myths.
              1. +1
                27 October 2016 15: 03
                For reserves, check out the posts by Alexey RA and moskowit,
                argue with them.
                The company was not national, it just had a lot,
                (as in many other infantry companies in the year 45) a soldier from Central Asia.

                And the Germans ran out of reserves even earlier than the Red Army.
      2. +1
        26 October 2016 20: 05
        Everything is correct. In the Red Army, the NKVD, the Air Force, and the Red Army in the 1945 year, 900 000 women were called up. An appeal from the fall of 1944 to men from 17 of years. The last officially called age during the Great Patriotic War 1927 year of birth ... After the war, the demobilization of only older ages and women by the July order of 1945 of the year. until 1923 years, and younger and longer ...
        1. +2
          27 October 2016 11: 04
          Resolution of the State Defense Committee of the USSR
          “On the draft of 25 thousand women volunteers”
          16 May 1944 city
          The State Defense Committee decides:
          1. Allow NPOs (to the head of the Main Directorate of the Red Army Smorodinov) to call
          on a voluntary basis through the local city and regional committees of the CPSU (b) and the executive
          coma of Soviets of deputies of workers of 25 women aged 000 to 20 years.
          Directed women to send to the Red Army for staffing
          cooks, laundresses, signalmen and nurses.
          The call to hold in cities and large settlements of regions, territories and republics,
          according to the attached calculation, from among women who have no children and are not burdened by family.
          2. To provide women called up with all types of allowances on a par with military personnel
          by extending to them the effect of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 26
          1941 and Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of July 16, 1940 No. 1269 **.
          Chairman of the State Defense Committee I. Stalin
          AP of the Russian Federation. F. 3. Op. 50. D. 273. L. 157–158. Copy.
          Published: Bulletin of the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation.
          War 1941-1945. M., 2010.S. 344.

          Volunteers, I am writing large that would be understood.
          The figure of 900000 for the entire war.
          № 29
          Resolution of the State Defense Committee
          on staffing the army
          July 26 1942 city
          Moscow, Kremlin
          NPO issues
          The State Defense Committee decides:
          1. To oblige an NPO (comrade Shchadenko) by reducing and reorganizing the rear units
          and replacement of auxiliary posts unfit for service after non-combatant wounds
          military and women to be released by September 1, 1942 for military units
          fit for service 400 people.
          2. To reduce the number of the Navy to 450 people and oblige the people
          Commander of the Navy, Comrade Kuznetsov due to released on
          transfer by 25 thousand to the staffing of the active army by August 100
          trained ordinary and junior command personnel, fit for military service.
          3. To oblige an NGO (comrade Shchadenko) to call on August 10, 1942, all citizens,
          born in 1924, regardless of place of work and positions held and send:
          a) to military schools and spare parts - 450 people;
          b) in the Navy - 100 people; .....
          Next to the Collection of documents
          http://encyclopedia.mil.ru/files/morf/VoV_Vol10_D
          ocumenti.pdf
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      3. +3
        26 October 2016 20: 12
        Bravo, at least one sensible thought about the flows of hatred-expressing will, someone would remember about the rear that worked hard, and the village, even in this version of history, who lived half-starving until the mid-50s, but fed the army and industrial rear
    3. +1
      26 October 2016 12: 28
      The moral aspect is important, besides this, the loss of life is enormous. Why was there another fight? In addition, I would also say that Comrade Stalin did not quite believe his generals and marshals. After the war, there was an attempt to figure out what exactly led to the defeat in 1941.
      1. +3
        26 October 2016 14: 23
        Well, let all sorts of "smart people" do not write nonsense here!
    4. +3
      27 October 2016 11: 39
      Quote: EvgNik
      It is clear that the people are tired of fighting, but it was necessary to go further and cleanse all of Europe, including the Tin Islands. We could do that.

      You??! Right on the couch in London? Cool!!
      1. +1
        28 October 2016 08: 37
        Unconditional article ++++++. The level of knowledge about the events of the 20th century is different for everyone and everyone will find for themselves the unknown before.
        Moreover, the discussion of the article led to such multi-day discussions of our history.
        Many thanks to the author.
  2. +9
    26 October 2016 06: 29
    I love conspiracy theories; they can explain everything. Why did Thutmose III go to Syria as a war? And these future masters of the West were already preparing their mortal blow to the Russian world and Orthodoxy. I have one question for the author: what are the benefits of WWII brought to England? Unlike many other cases, the impudent people had to personally participate in the database. To cover naval communications, the Angles for just 50 obsolete destroyers handed over to the States several key military bases around the world. At the end of the war, their entire colonial system crackled at the seams, had to get out of India, Africa .... The United States immediately occupied the vacated place. Well, and what is the great cimus? From the City of London, global financial capital moved to Wall Street. For this, the Angels ass tore? The pound took the place of the dollar. England as a world hegemon ended for a long time, most likely - forever.
    1. +4
      26 October 2016 08: 32
      base tales of the Bois de Boulogne in the continuation of yesterday's conspiracy theories.
      yeah, England’s role was especially pleased) And we don’t see what a consolidated west looks like, not even able to solve the migration problem.
      Well, there is always a support group for wet fantasies, and not a small one.
    2. +2
      26 October 2016 08: 37
      Here it is necessary to continue the theory of the Ango-Saxon backstage. The owners of the USA and Great Britain are the same people who in 1945 completed one project - the British Empire and started another, more promising - the USA.
      There is another point of view, faced with the choice to try to remain an empire, but it is possible to disappear in case of failure and cease to be an empire, but it is guaranteed to survive, the Britons chose the second.
    3. +1
      26 October 2016 20: 19
      I support, one moment, the pound has lost value already in our time, I don’t remember the year, the beginning of the 90s, the uncle Soros empire collapsed the rate of the British currency completely and irrevocably
  3. +4
    26 October 2016 06: 36
    In essence, the process is described correctly. Russia, represented by the USSR, once again repelled the invasion of "twelve languages." However, the West went through a process of reformatting in the form of the "collapse of the colonial system," which marked the dominance of the USA as the world's gendarme. With the collapse of the USSR, the need for South Africa as a counterweight also disappeared.
    1. +2
      26 October 2016 11: 10
      Quote: V.ic
      In essence, the process is described correctly. Russia, represented by the USSR, once again repelled the invasion of "twelve languages." However, the West went through a process of reformatting in the form of the "collapse of the colonial system," which marked the dominance of the USA as the world's gendarme. With the collapse of the USSR, the need for South Africa as a counterweight also disappeared.

      What is true then? WWII and was promoted by the United States to destroy the "colonial system". Another thing is that each cricket thought that this game was his and he would out-jump everyone. And Germany, and England, and Japan ... and the United States, yes, yes. But Stalin broke the whole game for the states. Therefore, he is a hell, worse than Hitler. And again the United States had to negotiate, to divide the spheres of influence and endure the USSR.
      1. 0
        26 October 2016 14: 03
        Mavrikiy "What is true? WWII and the United States were spun to destroy the" colonial system. "

        The Bretton Woods monetary system is the basis, and the colonial system is also administration, customs, defense, etc., etc., etc. However, the influx of resources from the colonies determined the subsequent development of the metropolis. The battle of Dienben Phu is not from the category of colonial battles?
        1. +3
          26 October 2016 18: 06
          Quote: V.ic
          Mavrikiy "What is true? WWII and the United States were spun to destroy the" colonial system. "

          The Bretton Woods monetary system is the basis, and the colonial system is also administration, customs, defense, etc., etc., etc. However, the influx of resources from the colonies determined the subsequent development of the metropolis. The battle of Dienben Phu is not from the category of colonial battles?

          Wonderful. Who said that decolonization began and ended on May 9, 1945?
          I repeat, the United States launched a war under this war. England 1925-1930 (forgotten) closed its colonies for third-party penetration, and these are markets, if I am not mistaken, 15 or 20% of the world. And the French got to the heap, possibly with drugs. The metropolis, weakened by the war, lost money and overexerted. Colonies began to gain independence from 1945 and mainly until 1955.
          The battle of DienbenFu is not from the category of colonial battles? from the category, and? This is a war to preserve the colony, and how did it end? And who came there? ....
          PMV is a cemetery of empires. The Britons Empire resisted, but it had to be broken. And they tossing a coal, did not suspect that the bell was ringing on them.
  4. +1
    26 October 2016 07: 04
    I think that given the current weapons .. the gentlemen will not be able to sit in their castles ... not only ISKANDER WILL reach them .. but Satan has been crying for their souls for a long time! long ago, these gentlemen live in debt
    1. +3
      26 October 2016 20: 26
      I believe you are the lieutenant colonel who will break the seals, open the protective caps, throw the fuses and press the Big Red Button?
  5. +8
    26 October 2016 07: 23
    And instead of establishing a strategic partnership with the USSR and creating an axis of prosperity and security, Berlin - Moscow - Tokyo, which could successfully resist the London-Washington alliance and defeat the "island world", fell into the old trap again.
    That is, the author offers us to maintain wonderful relations with Nazi Germany. With the killers. The desire of the top of Russia to be friends with the fascist states of America is understandable. The same moral uro To the author minus.
    1. +6
      26 October 2016 11: 44
      Quote: aleks700
      That is, the author offers us to maintain wonderful relations with Nazi Germany. With the killers.

      Not only - they also offer the USSR to be friends with these kawaii nyashki:
    2. 0
      26 October 2016 12: 08
      In fairness, in 1939–40 Germany was not yet a country of concentration camps and murderers. This will happen later, after the final solution of the Jewish question was approved in 1942. So an alliance with Hitler before the Second World War would be completely normal from any, even ethical point of view.
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 14: 24
        You did not read the TRUTH until August 1939 of the year ...
        1. +5
          26 October 2016 15: 24
          Germany attacked Poland and the Anglo-French declared war on it.
          And when did the Polish allies declare war on the USSR? Never.
          Strange it turns out.
          They are trying to show us that Germany and the USSR are equally to blame for the Second World War and even for the occupation of Poland, but for some reason, at the time when the Allies evaluated the situation in September 1939, they did not evaluate it at all. Germany is the aggressor - it was first presented with an ultimatum to cease hostilities and withdraw troops from the Polish territory. Hitler does nothing of this - to him London and Paris declare war.
          However, when the USSR introduced troops into Poland, the government had already fled to Romania and the entire Polish leadership was abroad.
          And neither the London nor Paris declared war on the introduction of the Red Army.
          NOW give your questionable "truth"
          1. +1
            29 October 2016 07: 54
            The "truth" is not mine. This is the organ of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B). It is in archives and central libraries. I read it from 1918 to 1991. Read it too.
        2. 0
          27 October 2016 23: 07
          Quote: kalibr
          You did not read the TRUTH until August 1939

          Actually you read that?
          Or did you read rehashes of all sorts of different shades of black, brown and others, on a topic generally not related to what was said in the newspaper Pravda in those historical conditions and precisely in place in connection with those realities?
          Maybe you still say that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty is criminal?
          1. 0
            29 October 2016 07: 58
            In the spring I will publish a monograph "The Poisoned Feather: Russian Journalists Against Russia, Soviet Journalists Against the USSR". There everything is on newspaper material with links to sources and page numbers. If you want, I will reserve a copy for you. The pact - no, the secret protocol to it - yes!
      2. +1
        26 October 2016 16: 13
        Quote: Molot1979
        In fairness, in 1939–40 Germany was not yet a country of concentration camps and murderers. This will happen later, after the final solution of the Jewish question was approved in 1942.

        But it was already preliminary decision of this question. November 9, 1938. Kristallnacht.
      3. +5
        26 October 2016 22: 36
        Kontslagelya in Germany appeared two months after coming
        Hitler to power. They were filled with communists, gays, prostitutes, priests,
        dissidents. According to the denunciations. Then the attack aircraft Ram. And the list was expanding.
        Jews began to end up in concentration camps around the age of 38 (after the Olympics).
  6. +8
    26 October 2016 07: 40
    Before the war, using the so-called. Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
    ... The USSR did not use the so-called pact ... and took advantage of the political situation that arose at that time .. and the Moscow non-aggression pact was to help ... Thanks to it, the war between the USSR and Germany did not start in 1939 ...
    The German leadership, which in the person of Hitler at times tried to pursue its global policy, became entangled in the networks of Anglo-Saxons. And instead of establishing a strategic partnership with the USSR and creating an axis of prosperity and security, Berlin - Moscow - Tokyo
    ... Yeah, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio ... Confused ..
    1. +4
      26 October 2016 08: 16
      "Halva, halva, halva!" = "If only, would, would ..." - but it didn't get sweeter in the mouth! And the conclusion is again - "entangled in the networks" ... - it means they are smart, the Anglo-Saxons. What's the rule? Don't fight the strong, don't fight the smart if you're stupid!

      Well, in the 39, the war with the USSR could not begin. Who in Russia fights in the fall and winter? Even stupid Hitler understood that, eh?
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 09: 21
        Well, in the 39, the war with the USSR could not begin. Who in Russia fights in the fall and winter? Even stupid Hitler understood that, eh?
        ... The Moscow treaty was signed on no attack ... and then there was autumn and winter ... did not grow together ..
      2. +4
        26 October 2016 10: 45
        Quote: kalibr
        even stupid Hitler understood

        Do you have a medical degree to make a diagnosis? This is what de..mocracies are famous for, so it is the ability to present their statements as the ultimate truth, not subject to discussion / (all the more condemnation / as evidenced by the abolition of "minus" on this site /).
      3. +7
        26 October 2016 15: 25
        Maybe the very fact of concluding a state agreement with Germany, where Adolf Hitler was chancellor, is an automatic start for world war?

        Again miss. The first country to sign an agreement with Hitler as chancellor ... was Poland. In 1934, the Hitler-Pilsudski Pact was signed, which signified Germany's exit from political isolation. Subsequently, agreements with Hitler were signed by London (the Anglo-German declaration following the results of Munich), and then France. Italy became an ally of Germany, along with Japan.

        The last great power that entered into a non-aggression pact with Germany was the USSR. To say that it was this agreement that led to the war, omitting all previous agreements, it’s like going to the final scene in the script of the film, dropping the whole film as unnecessary.
  7. +7
    26 October 2016 08: 11
    For all the eclectic nature of the text like "super-ethnos" and other favorite fabrications of the author, it surprisingly contains absolutely accurate information: "This war ended in 1985-1991 with the complete defeat and collapse of the USSR and the social bloc. The degenerated" elite ", Which wanted to" live beautifully, "seizing the people's property into their own hands and becoming part of the global" elite "
    And this is both the conclusion and the lesson. The conclusion is that people are ALWAYS divided into the lower classes and the elite. That the elite should not be taught, but not re-educated, and that means the state should take care of the balance of interests of the elite and the lower classes - this is its main task. And you also need to study how, why and how this catastrophe happened, so as not to repeat it. And remember, shouting "we are great, we are powerful, higher than the sun, more clouds" that every business crowns the result. The result of the construction of a "holy society" in the USSR is well known. The important thing now is to learn from this and avoid repetition. Do not step on the same rake. Correctly respond to new challenges of the time. Skillfully look for allies. Learn from other people's mistakes in the future. And one of the ways is education, so that people are interested in the past, but at the same time they themselves know how to search for information, and be able to analyze it and draw conclusions. "He who is forewarned is armed!"
    1. cap
      +5
      26 October 2016 12: 39
      Quote: kalibr
      For all the eclectic nature of the text like "super-ethnos" and other favorite fabrications of the author, it surprisingly contains absolutely accurate information: "This war ended in 1985-1991 with the complete defeat and collapse of the USSR and the social bloc. The degenerated" elite ", Which wanted to" live beautifully, "seizing the people's property into their own hands and becoming part of the global" elite "
      And this is the conclusion and the lesson. The conclusion is that people are ALWAYS divided into the lower classes and the elite. That the elite is not taught, but not re-educated, and that means the state must take care of the balance of interests of the elite and the lower classes - this is its main task. And you also need to study how, why and how this disaster happened, so as not to repeat it.


      I read the entire thread and under your comment, which is most consistent with my view on the essence of the issue raised, I want to ask a rhetorical question.

      “Comrades! Citizens! Brothers and sisters! Fighters of our army and navy!
      I appeal to you, my friends! ... "

      Who from our "elite" will be able to read to the public, the words from the address of JV Stalin of July 3, 1941, so that it does not cause a smile at best. Now the "rake" only the blind will not see, but will come or not, this is a rhetorical question.
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 14: 26
        Yes, this is a rhetorical question, since who, probably, can. And someone is definitely not.
      2. +1
        26 October 2016 20: 36
        Yes, prince, Sunny is clear, and after all, 70% of citizens "will stir in a single impulse" ....... But I - no, I don't have a TV
      3. +3
        27 October 2016 12: 26
        Quote: cap
        Who from our "elite" can read to the public,

        when he presses, they will also let a tear go ... Stalin could, the best friend of athletes .... MLE ...
        1. +1
          27 October 2016 23: 04
          Stalin could, your spiritual authority is Hitler or Nicholas the second, could not.
          Bad authorities, if not tougher.
          1. +1
            28 October 2016 18: 36
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            your spiritual authority Hitler

            turn on your head, the demagogue of xrenov, your Stalin, that Hitler is the same cannibal, and what does Nikolai 2 have to do with them? At least he did not need after two weeks of stupor in front of his people to pour oil.
  8. +6
    26 October 2016 08: 49
    The German leadership in the person of Hitler at times tried to pursue its global policy. And instead of establishing a strategic partnership with the USSR and create an axis of prosperity and security Berlin - Moscow - Tokyothat could successfully oppose the London-Washington alliance and defeat the “island world”,

    The author stands for the union of the USSR with ..... German and Japanese Nazis?! belay What is the matter with you, author? fool Red Army together with waffen ss storming Albion? fool Remember who the Union fought in Spain, on Khalkhin Gol and Hassan, against whom he organized the security system in Europe and Asia. And I did it CORRECTLY!
    .Germany will be appointed the main "scapegoat" Hitler and his entourage called the "greatest criminals of the world."
    What are the quotes, author? negative They were found guilty by the International Tribunal in Nuremberg. You can consider anyone the biggest villains, but consider the Nazi beasts just "appointed" scapegoats, the height of cynicism!
    using the so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Russia was able to return its ancestral lands in the Baltic states, in the west of Belaya and Little Russia, in Bessarabia (Moldova).

    Strange author: personally confirms all those delusional accusations that the West makes in relation to the USSR and Russia. What does the Non-Aggression Treaty have to do with it ?! Read, author, Government Owl Sheet Musiceverything is said there:
    The Soviet government cannot also be indifferent to the fact that half-blood Ukrainians and Belarusians living in Poland, abandoned to their fate, remain defenseless.

    In view of this situation, the Soviet government ordered the Red Army High Command to order the troops to cross the border and take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. / i]

    As it was in reality:

    : [i] At 2 hours of the night 17 of September Schulenburg accepted Stalin and in the presence of Molotov and Voroshilov saidthat the Red Army today at 6 in the morning will cross the Soviet border all over from Polotsk to Kamenetz-Podolsky. “In order to avoid incidents” Stalin invited the German leadership to stop the advance of the German troops and withdraw units that had advanced ahead on the Bialystok - Brest - Lviv line,

    The Germans agreed, an appropriate joint communique was drawn up, on the basis of which the parties acted.
    What pact, author, where is it mentioned?

    Why repeat Western ravings? Moreover, blaming the West itself? belay
    1. +6
      26 October 2016 09: 33
      KG / AM
      At author all opuses are like that - you see Samsonov - vlepi minus not looking (sorry they were canceled). If you start to read and delve into, you can become a schizophrenic
      1. +4
        26 October 2016 12: 25
        That is, you yourself have already determined who you are?
        Can you try not to read at night, the opuses of the sedge, corned beef and falcon with a cutter?
    2. BAI
      0
      26 October 2016 10: 53
      "Germany will be named the main" scapegoat "of Hitler and his entourage will be called" the greatest criminals in the world "- this is a quote from Shakhnazarov's film" The White Tiger ".
    3. +2
      26 October 2016 11: 01
      Quote: Aleksander
      The author advocates an alliance of the USSR with ..... German and Japanese Nazis ?!

      Point to the document where indicated "Japanese Nazis"if it does not bother you ...
      Quote: Aleksander
      What pact, author, where is it mentioned?
      Why repeat Western ravings? Moreover, blaming the West itself?

      Ne pare rau, domnule Aleksander, what did the "democratic-perestroika media of the USSR / RF" write about with boiling water? Whichever way you look: ... pact, pact, pact. request
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 12: 47
        Quote: V.ic
        Point to the document that says "Japanese Nazis"

        Axis countries (German Achsenmächte, Japanese 樞軸 國, 枢軸 国 su: jiku-koku, Italian potenze dell'Asse - by the term “Rome-Berlin axis”), known as Nazi bloc- aggressive military alliance of Germany, Italy, Japan -there is such a definition, not disputed by anyone until now
        Quote: V.ic
        Ne pare rau, domnule Aleksander

        belay what lol request
        и
        私 は 、 氏 VIC ご め ん な さ い Yes
    4. +6
      26 October 2016 15: 27
      Why are you repeating all sorts of nonsense?
      Ask yourself - where did all this come from in Hitler’s robbed Versailles Germany money, colossal money.
      Then remember where the big money came from today's Hitlers in the Middle East, where they got a lot of weapons from. So, they cannot be defeated in any way by the not the weakest regional Syrian army with some support from one of the best armies in the world (Russian VKS + “calibers” + intelligence, etc.).
      Remembered?
      So the same forces are guilty at the beginning of World War II.
      They are responsible for the First World War.

      And today they really want the Third World War to begin ...
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 19: 32
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        [Why are you repeating all sorts of nonsense [?
        Ask yourself - where did all this come from in Hitler’s robbed Versailles Germany money, colossal money.
        Then remember where the big money came from today's Hitlers in the Middle East, where they got a lot of weapons from. So, they cannot be defeated in any way by the not the weakest regional Syrian army with some support from one of the best armies in the world (Russian VKS + “calibers” + intelligence, etc.).
        Remembered?
        So the same forces are guilty at the beginning of World War II.
        They are responsible for the First World War.

        And today they really want the Third World War to begin ...


        What is he arguing with that "refutes" this senseless set of phrases? belay lol request
        1. +2
          27 October 2016 06: 16
          Quote: Aleksander
          What is he arguing with that "refutes" this senseless set of phrases?

          Are you talking about your comment?
          1. 0
            27 October 2016 14: 51
            [quote = V.ic] Quote: AleksanderWhat is arguing with that "refutes" this senseless set of phrases?

            No, of course, about two - yours and individuals

            Himself about his
            1. +1
              27 October 2016 19: 28
              Is this an individual about you?
              Not surprised.
              Anti-Soviet = Russophobe, that you are essentially one hundred percent.
              1. 0
                27 October 2016 22: 32
                Are you talking about our president, right?
                1. 0
                  27 October 2016 23: 03
                  This is about people like you or about people like Amnuel, he basically repeats exactly the same thing as you.
                  Who ever knows, Ali, the teachers of the history of the CPSU were not told what the NTS is and who it has been plowing from the moment it was formed to this day?
                  With regards to the President of Russia, and why on earth have you decided to hide behind his figure?
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2016 07: 13
                    And for whom else to hide? It was necessary at first to inform only that the "ER" "armored train of the White Guards. And then very few people knew it.
                  2. 0
                    29 October 2016 08: 03
                    He just says the same thing ... President, I mean.
  9. +4
    26 October 2016 09: 04
    the article is more like an agitation than an occasion for reflection.
  10. +6
    26 October 2016 09: 07
    Quote: Aleksander
    The author advocates an alliance of the USSR with ..... German and Japanese Nazis ?!

    Rather, we can say that the author simply voices alternative and conspiracy theological versions of development. Typically, such beliefs are as follows:
    "Hitler d.u.r.a.k. Instead of attacking the USSR, he had to act jointly with the USSR, dividing the world between Germany, Japan and the USSR"

    All further constructions come precisely from this postulate. Although according to my father, even though the agreement was accepted by the inhabitants of the USSR with joy and understanding, everyone perfectly understood that this was temporary. Fascism has not gone away and sooner or later it will be necessary to fight with it. Although the reference to Germany as an enemy had really disappeared from the newspapers at that time.
  11. +3
    26 October 2016 09: 12
    Pleased with the phrase "instead of establishing a strategic partnership with the USSR and creating an axis of prosperity and security Berlin-Moscow-Tokyo, which could successfully resist the London-Washington alliance and defeat the" island world ", it fell into the old trap again. The Anglo-Saxons once again pitted the Germans against the Russians. "
    Well, what can I say with such a statement of the question, only that Hitlerite Nazi Germany, the flesh of the Western global project, as well as militaristic medieval in terms of worldview and psychotype Japan were grown by the masters of the West as a tool for enslaving the world.
    About any peaceful existence of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with the Axis could not be. The goal of the USSR is the spiritual development of the entire population of the planet and the transition to a higher spiritual level, which is akin to the ideas of Christ the Savior and simply leads civilization out of the impasse of consumerism (God is man to man).
    The goal of the Axis countries, the redistribution of the planet, the transformation of the population into dumb cattle and in the end a dead end and savagery despite all the declared buns for the "Chosen" (man to man is a wolf).
    As for the Western "democracies", they have always tried to rake in the heat with someone else's hands. Actually, nothing has changed in the sublunary world even now. "Worse than the enemy of the Anglo-Saxon, there can only be an Anglo-Saxon ally ...".
    The spiritual level of the collective West is such that a "knife in the back" from them is quite natural and expected.
    Article in my opinion with a darling.
    1. 0
      26 October 2016 11: 08
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      Man to man God

      These are the times? 7,3 billion "gods" (as of 2016) ?? Would you be more careful with quotes, dear ... Imagine that each of 7,3 * 10 billion has the pride of creation fool ...
      1. +1
        26 October 2016 13: 06
        Sir, do not juggle, or you are so outraged by the word of God. Not "gods" as you have deigned to put it, but the people of the creators, living by the covenant ... treat others the way you want to treat you ... Pride? There is also the sin of self-deprecation.
        1. 0
          26 October 2016 14: 14
          Quote: Fotoceva62
          or the word God has so outraged you. Not "gods" as you deigned to put it, but the People of the creators

          Sir, 7,3 billion "gods" is not too much?
          People, creators, or creators ... What did you mean?
          living by covenant ...

          There is a certain fraction of people on the planet earth who live according to the "covenant", there are still those who live according to the "Torah", someone prefers to live according to the Koran, someone according to the instructions from Fashington ...
  12. +3
    26 October 2016 09: 21
    That's the author twists! I read his second article, and the question arises, what does he smoke before starting to write?
    1. +2
      26 October 2016 11: 11
      Quote: Bask
      I read his second article, and the question arises - what does he smoke before starting

      In fact, this author has more than two articles ...
      So for some reason I have no questions like: what did you smoke before writing your comment ...
  13. +2
    26 October 2016 09: 46
    And although the USSR was the country of my childhood, neither he nor other countries were little white bunnies in that situation. All countries were desperately bluffing, trying, fighting diplomatic battles on all fronts. The author, everything is determined, although there were options. I do not think that this is all clearly planned. There is nothing strictly planned out of big events in the world — there is always something wrong. For this is how man is arranged. But conspiracy theory rules.
    A little country article - we are great, we wanted, we could not, but we could ... We need to take lessons from defeats, be proud of victories and not be proud ... learn to learn how to work ... development.
  14. +7
    26 October 2016 10: 34
    It’s not clear how to comment on this ...
    Such a powerful pressure of inveterate fly agaric delirium that you even get lost.

    But you have to get used to it. There are more and more such throws every day.
    Russia is changing ... winked
    1. +6
      26 October 2016 10: 46
      And you should not comment, because the set of your fly agaric with regard to poison, which is much more poisonous.
      For you to see the discovery of Samerica, that it’s precisely the war unleashed in 41 against the USSR that is precisely the means to keep the development of the country? I would recommend that you read anything other than the opuses of your relatives such as sedge, Svanidze and others, about the pace of development of the USSR economy, before the war and to understand why this was already a threat to the West then. In the same way, to honor the same Americans, with their assessment of the potential of the USSR, which is why trillions were spent to destroy it.
      "In November 1991, Margaret Thatcher spoke in Houston at the congress of chemists. And she told these people, and I think to the whole world, how the capitalist world tried to destroy the USSR. One could only tell about it, but better than Thatcher told in Houston, you won't. ”So it seems to me that I should just read what Margaret Thatcher said then.
      “The USSR is a country that poses a serious threat to the Western world. I’m not talking about a military threat, it essentially wasn’t. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons. I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned economy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of GNP growth is about two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the Union in the rational management of the economy, there were quite real opportunities to force us out of the world market. ” That's what Thatcher said.
      “Therefore, we have always taken actions aimed at weakening the economy of the Soviet Union and creating internal difficulties for it, and the imposition of an arms race was the main one. An important place in our policy was occupied by taking into account the imperfection of the constitution of the USSR. Formally, it allowed an immediate exit from the USSR to any union republic that wished for this, moreover, practically by a simple majority decision of its Supreme Council. True, the realization of this right at that time was practically impossible due to the cementing role of the Communist Party and law enforcement agencies. Nevertheless, in this constitutional feature there were potential opportunities for our policy.
      Unfortunately, despite our efforts, the political situation in the USSR remained stable for a long time. The situation was very difficult for us, but soon information was received about the imminent death of the Soviet leader and the possibility of a person coming to power with our help, thanks to whom we will be able to realize our intentions in this area. This was an assessment of my experts, and I always formed a qualified group of experts on the Soviet Union and, as necessary, facilitated the emigration of the necessary specialists from the USSR.
      This man was Mikhail Gorbachev, who was characterized by experts as a man who was reckless, suggestible, and very ambitious. He had a good relationship with most of the Soviet political elite, and therefore his coming to power with our help was possible. The activities of the Popular Front did not require large sums of money, mainly these were expenses for multiplying equipment and financial support for functionaries. However, a considerable amount of money was required to support the long strikes of miners. www.politpros.tv
      1. +3
        26 October 2016 11: 00
        "unleashed in 41 against the USSR, is this exactly a means to restrain the development of the country?" ///

        And who developed this country - the USSR?
        Answer: United States of America.

        During the years of the first five-year plan, more than 500 newest (and largest) plants with the latest technologies in mechanical engineering and chemistry were built on the territory of the USSR by American engineers and technicians.
        The entire military-industrial complex of the USSR in the early 30s is US production.
        All aircraft factories. All tractor and tank factories.

        What for? To stop in development?
        It was American industrialization of the USSR that helped the USSR survive in the war with
        Germany. About Lend-Lease, when HALF of the US industry worked in the USSR,
        I'm not saying that ...

        Also, to destroy or stop in development?
        1. +5
          26 October 2016 11: 45
          In the year 29 there was such an interesting event as a crisis. The Americans fired from starvation, thousands of people did not build the White Sea Canal, but American roads. Also by the way for the food. So it was not they who helped us, but the USSR saved orders for their economy, we could have bought the same in Germany and France.
          1. +3
            26 October 2016 16: 45
            "So it was not they who helped us, but the USSR was saving their economy with orders" ////

            They were rescuers ... The entire gold reserve, paintings from the Hermitage, the Kremlin's storerooms went to "help".
            But the cooperation was mutually beneficial, here I agree with you.

            The fact is that the production line construction of factories "like Lego" was mastered then
            only in the USA. And Albert Kahn is a pioneer in this matter.
            Neither in England nor in Germany then did not know this.
            It’s familiar now: columns, light roof trusses, cable ducts
            and pipes. And then it was ... like smartphones now. High tech.
            And the USSR received the latest factories, and the Americans trained in the latest
            direction (and earned, of course).
            1. SIT
              +1
              26 October 2016 22: 15
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "So it was not they who helped us, but the USSR was saving their economy with orders" ////

              They were rescuers ... The entire gold reserve, paintings from the Hermitage, the Kremlin's storerooms went to "help".

              If you started digging this topic, then dig deeper. Since 1925, Western countries (read "the cradle of democracy": the United States, Britain and France) sold the USSR the latest equipment and technologies of that time only, at the beginning, for timber, oil and grain, and since 1930 ONLY for grain. DO NOT TAKE GOLD! Type the USSR gold embargo in a search engine and read a lot of interesting things. Also google how much grain cost during the Great Depression - a little more expensive than discarded rags. The cost of DniproHES is 400 mln. those, not the current dollars. No Holodomor will give such a sum because it is impossible to grow so much grain. Grain was shipped and starved to provide CREDITS. If necessary, I can give a breakdown of American, British, German and other USSR loans. It was the same with Germany. From July to November 1924, the dollar rose in price against the German mark by 400 times! People were paid wages in the morning and in the evening according to the new rate, because there was nothing to buy with the morning wages in the evening, and in 000 Germany took the 1929nd place in the world in terms of industrial production after the USA. The Dawes plan, under the guise of softening reparations payments, launched a mechanism for pumping investment in Germany. As a result, the investment amounted to $ 2 billion, and the payments to be made by Germany were only $ 21 billion. Both in the USSR and in Germany, huge funds were pumped with one single purpose - to feed a couple, which, having grappled, would blow the entire Old World into rubble and dust. What for? There should have been only one prosperous economy in the world - this is the United States and, as a consequence, one world currency - the dollar, which is printed by the FRS, which was audited only once in 11 in its entire history. One way or another, but by 1, 2009% of the world's gold reserves ended up in Fort Knox. The Bretton Woods Conference on July 1944, 70 recorded this fact. Only the dollar was exchanged for gold. The rest of the currencies were valued against the dollar. All. The Second World War was won because the goal was achieved. Of course, the USSR won the war, but he could not win it because it was not his game and not Germany.
        2. +5
          26 October 2016 11: 54
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The entire military-industrial complex of the USSR in the early 30s is US production.
          All aircraft factories. All tractor and tank factories.

          Gold, grain of the USSR. The famine, which Ukraine is reproaching now. That was the price of these plants. At the same time, the rise in the states after the depression.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          About Lend-Lease, when HALF of the US industry worked in the USSR,
          I'm not saying that ...

          Again, the gold of the USSR and the rise of the economy
          Simply put, they have welded on this rather robustly.
          1. +4
            26 October 2016 16: 48
            "About Lend-Lease, when HALF of the US industry worked for the USSR" ///

            Do not spit in the hand of the giver ...
            and, moreover, do not bite her by accepting a gift ...
            1. +2
              26 October 2016 16: 56
              You forgot to read out the whole motto of Israel: "Do not spit in the hand of the giver, do not bite it and do not squeal from the kick under the giver's bottom" laughing
              1. +3
                26 October 2016 17: 09
                They kick those who bite their hand after accepting gifts.
            2. +3
              26 October 2016 17: 26
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Do not spit in the hand of the giver ...
              and, moreover, do not bite her by accepting a gift ...

              If there were gifts ... Recently we finished paying for them. Your cynicism rolls over.
        3. +1
          26 October 2016 12: 07
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And who developed this country - the USSR?
          Answer: United States of America.

          During the years of the first five-year plan, more than 500 newest (and largest) plants with the latest technologies in mechanical engineering and chemistry were built on the territory of the USSR by American engineers and technicians.
          The entire military-industrial complex of the USSR in the early 30s is US production.
          All aircraft factories. All tractor and tank factories.

          Not only the USA. In the early 30s, the heavy, chemical and precise industry helped the Soviet Union build almost the whole world: Great Britain, USA, Italy, Germany.
          Italy RIV - 1st State Bearing Plant (bearings)
          USA Ford - Automobile them. Molotov in Gorky (cars)
          England BSA - Moscow Bicycle Plant (bicycles)
          Germany Demag - Central Bureau of Heavy Engineering (CBTM) (cranes and hoisting devices)
          Germany Demag - CBTM (rolling mills)
          Switzerland Sulzer - Soyuzizel (diesel)
          Germany Man - Kolomna Plant (diesel)
          Germany Erhard and Semmer - Voskhim (compressor)
          Germany Stock - plant them. Kalinin (twist drills)
          Germany Krupp - Special Steel (quality steels)
          England Taylor - Trubostal (seamless wheels)
          USA Coppers - Giprokoks (coke ovens)
          Germany Demag - Magnitostroy (rolling shop)
          France French Aluminum Company - Glavaluminiy (construction of the Volkhov and Dnieper aluminum plants)
          Germany Miege - Zaporizhstal (electric furnaces)
          Germany Mitke - Gintsvetmet (Faynzink)
          England Metro-Vickers - WET (high-power turbine and electrical engineering)
          Switzerland Scintilla - Electrical Plant (Magneto)
          USA Autolight - Electrical Plant (electrical equipment for automotive tractors)
          Italy Omodeo - Hydroelectric Project
          Sweden Lubeck - Battery Trust (Alkaline Batteries)
          USA Nitrogen - Soyuzazot (ammonia plants)
          Germany Ude - Soyuzazot (nitric acid, montan, nitrate, methanol ammonium nitrate)
          Norway Electrokemiska - Special steel (electrodes)
          Italy Eternit - Soyuzasbest (asbestos-cement pipes)
          France Schlumberger - GAMES (electrical intelligence)
          USA Curtis Wright - Aircraft Trust (Aircraft Motors)
          Fiat Italy - Plant No. 120 (Foundry Aircraft Plant)
          Italy Ansaldo - factory "Bolshevik" (autofretage and lane guns)
          USA Sperry - Electrical Plant (specialty)
          Germany Deschmag - Central Design Bureau of Shipbuilding (TsKBS) (shipbuilding)
          Italy Ansaldo - TsKBS (shipbuilding)
          Germany Bauer - TsKBS (marine shipbuilding)

          And before the Great Patriotic War, the USSR developed with German help. smile
          1. cap
            +2
            26 October 2016 13: 22
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Not only the USA. In the early 30s, the heavy, chemical and precise industry helped the Soviet Union build almost the whole world: Great Britain, USA, Italy, Germany.


            An impressive list from the 30s to 41years, the Soviet Union helped build almost the whole world: Great Britain, USA, Italy, Germany.

            But now these same "partners" are stifling them with sanctions, "why are we?"
            Maybe "... it's all wrong guys?" (C)

            "Imperialism - as the last stage of capitalism" (Collected Works, VI Lenin, v.25), p. 264, I will urgently reread it. hi
            1. +3
              26 October 2016 13: 51
              I repeat, the decision of Stalin, BRILLIANT in execution, took advantage of the CRISIS in the world.
              We were forced to help, for the loot for the West above all.
              1. +2
                26 October 2016 14: 46
                But what then, if the loot is there above all else, we did not send there people who would act like Yagoda and Yezhov ("British spies", as one wrote here), that the American communists could not get anywhere ... money and would be the USSA United Socialist States of America. That the money was not enough?
                1. +4
                  27 October 2016 14: 59
                  A teacher of the history of the CPSU, forgot what he taught or is now trying to refute everything that he himself once exalted, to please the current liberals?
                  Well, let's compare any 25 years of Stalin and 25 years of the post-disaster in the Russian Federation, since 1992, is it comparable?
                  By the number of plants commissioned, by the results of the agricultural farm, by the level of education, medicine, social security of citizens? Income level?
                  Yes, even in terms of the country's power in the world, is there anything to compare?
                  Maybe it’s worth reminding a former teacher of the history of the CPSU that, in the aggregate, the WEST in terms of finances and opportunities was superior to a single USSR, but back in 1975 those who smarter acknowledged that if the development of the USSR was not impeded, the West would be in disaster — would you try to challenge it?
                  http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/kolybanov/post24
                  3654517 /
                  Will you refute?
                  http://shkolazhizni.ru/culture/articles/78543/
                  Is there anything you can refute or will you repeat the arguments of the Gaidars, Afanasy grasses and other asphalt peasants and robbers such as Chubais Toli and his extremely deceitful little brother, igoreshi?
                  For you, the results of the decommunization of Ukraine, not an indicator?
                  It’s a pity to me who you taught to your ..
                  1. 0
                    27 October 2016 22: 37
                    What does medicine have to do with it? It’s not her, but why we didn’t buy their elites and their commies for the money, so that they would arrange "sicism" there. What was missing, money, mind, imagination? Medicine has nothing to do with it.
              2. +1
                26 October 2016 18: 38
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                I repeat, the decision of Stalin, BRILLIANT in execution, took advantage of the CRISIS in the world.
                We were forced to help, for the loot for the West above all.

                Oh, sweetheart. Not everything is so simple and transparent. On the contrary, everything is dim and vague. Listen to Katasonov, Fursov. There was not so much gold, paintings, grain, wood to buy and build all these plants. DID NOT HAVE. And here comes one conclusion explaining the appearance of these plants.
                Not only did we need these plants, but they also needed IMs so that we had plants. For what? Multi-way homework. And here it is for sure, the mustachioed comrade Stalin ruined everything. Mighty army, mobilized industry and nuclear weapons on a plate.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2016 14: 47
                  Dear, you have knowledge, ZERO.
                  Fursov and Katasonov should not be credited with what they are not talking about.
                  And they say something that confirms my thought.
                  Just Fursov says the same thing.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PogqRtX9U0c
                  Katasonov about the same.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkzBTlS026s
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  Not only did we need these plants, but they also needed IMs so that we had plants. For what? Multi-way homework. And here it is for sure, the mustachioed comrade Stalin ruined everything. Mighty army, mobilized industry and nuclear weapons on a plate.

                  This nonsense is not even worth commenting, because nonsense.
            2. +3
              26 October 2016 14: 52
              They strangle them, and we send them titanium (50% of their titanium is ours), REM - (50% of European REM are ours), 34% of oil and gas in Europe is ours, everyone knows about US engines, the Chinese and Americans know less about gold mines ( concessions) by 1,5 billion only to Americans. Such is the mutually beneficial "strangulation". Newspapers and TV shout "choke", and "vanka" and "junky" listen and count profits.
          2. +2
            26 October 2016 14: 31
            This is such a very tricky move, first give, and then destroy. You don’t understand, you have a pro-Western look!
          3. +3
            26 October 2016 14: 46
            "Not only the USA. In the early 30s, the heavy, chemical and precision industries
            The Soviet Union helped build almost the whole world: Great Britain, USA,
            Italy, Germany "////

            The lion's share of orders was received by the firm of industrial architect Albert Kahn (alas, a Jew ... recourse )
            Albert Kahn, Inc. (Albert Kahn Inc.). He was a "general contractor". ...
            He built:
            Tractor plants in Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Tomsk; aircraft manufacturing plants in Kramatorsk and Tomsk; automobile plants in Chelyabinsk, Moscow, Stalingrad, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara; blacksmith shops in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Stalingrad; machine-tool plants in Kaluga, Novosibirsk, Upper Solda; rolling mill in Moscow; foundries in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Sormovo, Stalingrad; machine shops in Chelyabinsk, Lyubertsy, Podolsk, Stalingrad, Sverdlovsk; Thermal Power Station in Yakutsk; steel and rolling mills in Kamensky, Kolomna, Kuznetsk, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Verkhny Tagil, Sormovo; Leningrad Aluminum Plant; Ural asbestos factory and many others.

            But the Germans tried not to miscalculate such an industrial boom, of course.

            The main thing is that Samsonov’s article is nonsense. The Americans did not see any threat from the USSR right up to the 50s, before the atomic bomb.
            1. +3
              26 October 2016 16: 26
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The lion's share of orders was received by the firm of industrial architect Albert Kahn (alas, a Jew ... recourse)

              Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... smile

              As for the lion's share, then you need to look not only at the "shaft" (built factories), but also at the joining of bottlenecks. Often, "small" contracts for technical assistance and training were more valuable for the USSR than whole factories. For example, with the help of "Sperry" and "Anschutz" the USSR was able to master the production of gyroscopic devices (at that time - high-tech at the level of current processors) - and this is navigation and SUAO.
              A small contract with Vickers for licenses, documentation and samples resulted in 12000 tanks produced.
              1. +3
                26 October 2016 17: 44
                And the only Christy tank bought without weapons is in the armada of BT tanks and, as a result, in the T-34.
        4. +6
          26 October 2016 13: 49
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And who developed this country - the USSR?
          Answer: United States of America.

          Sheer lies, not because the Americans really fulfilled Stalin's orders for the installation of factories, training personnel, but because Stalin brilliantly used the years of the Great Depression against the West itself. Does this give you peace?

          Quote: voyaka uh
          The entire military-industrial complex of the USSR in the early 30s is US production.
          All aircraft factories. All tractor and tank factories.

          And what this proves, apart from what I said above, is the BRILLIANT use of contradictions and crisis in the West in order to increase the level of development of their country.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It was American industrialization of the USSR that helped the USSR survive in the war with
          Germany. About Lend-Lease, when HALF of the US industry worked in the USSR,
          I'm not saying that ...

          Another FALSE, yes, the Americans participated at the initial stage, while their cadres were not raised in the USSR, further assistance was not required from the Americans.
          Tanks And what did the Americans have of tanks, except Christie’s tank for those years, and that they themselves didn’t accept and stamped their boxes with very, very low performance characteristics. Or will you say that the US tank industry is 37-40 years, produced something comparable to the Soviet or German tanks? Most not funny?
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Also, to destroy or stop in development?

          Yes, the Second World War, in the part of the Great Patriotic War for the USSR, is an attempt to stop the development of the USSR, because the losses from the war are now more than two trillion dollars at the rate. Is this not the same as a stop in development?
          And then, already by 1947, food cards were canceled, unlike the countries of Western Europe, the same Aenglia is not an indicator of the country's ability to quickly recover and develop?
          Or recall the opinion of Americans about the ability to create nuclear weapons in the USSR, not earlier than by 1965, but in reality?
          1. 0
            26 October 2016 14: 42
            Yes, the cards were canceled. But in St. Petersburg, according to the Rodina magazine, in 1956 one worker had 6 (six!) Washing days on average a year! That's when they stank!
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            2. +1
              27 October 2016 06: 21
              Quote: kalibr
              there were 6 (six!) washing days per worker on average per year! Then it smelled of them!

              There were showers at the plants; you are our intelligent!
      2. +3
        26 October 2016 11: 08
        You shouldn’t react like that. The article says that the United States and Britain slept straight and saw how to spoil the USSR. Actually, everything is much simpler, each country in world politics pursues its own goals that are interesting only to it, and the Soviet Union was not So, it’s impossible to categorically declare as the author of this article that the USSR is good and the West is absolute evil, everyone just had their own goals.
        1. +4
          26 October 2016 13: 54
          Quote: Bask
          In fact, everything is much simpler, each country in world politics pursues its own goals, interesting only to her, and the Soviet Union was no exception

          Can you cite facts that would indicate that the USSR by 1941 had any complaints against its neighbors?
          Or, what claims to the USSR, Germany "did not have" in the light of Hess's trip to England, with a proposal to England and the United States to divide the territory of the USSR into zones of occupation and dependence.
          So what was the interest of the USSR besides protecting its territory?
      3. +2
        26 October 2016 11: 40
        Why is it that our losers are always excited? Or think that their opinion here can at least change something?
        1. +1
          26 October 2016 13: 55
          Quote: kalibr
          Are our losers always excited?

          Strange, but only you were aroused, is Soros something standing invisibly in shadow, forcing?
          1. +4
            26 October 2016 14: 33
            The Soros Foundation has not been operating since the 2003 of the year in the Russian Federation. What do you mean?
            1. +3
              26 October 2016 14: 59
              Quote: kalibr
              What do you mean?

              Ah, the little rascal, when he wants, well, so dull!
              1. +3
                26 October 2016 17: 45
                You just don't need to write nonsense about Soros. "Amazing nearby, but it's ... forbidden!"
                1. +2
                  27 October 2016 12: 04
                  Quote: kalibr
                  You just don’t need to write nonsense about Soros

                  Caliber, you are not of that caliber ... small thing, but rather even air.
                  To throw mud at Leningraders - they will not forgive you for that, goodbye, "son of Soros".
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2016 14: 07
                    Evgeny Nikolaevich, and in fact in our center of St. Petersburg there really isn’t even a shower in the old fund! Now, of course, everyone who needs it has delivered.
                    But there are different cases. Last year, he himself witnessed how a single drinking grandmother does not allow a shower room in a five-room communal apartment located near the Kazan Cathedral. Well, here she does not want, and that’s it! The rest of the inhabitants of this communal apartment are mainly visitors, one tenant is sitting.
                    This is me to the fact that Leningraders are also different. Like the bastard who urinates twice a week in my house in the front door, and the house is new, only the main contingent is from such communal apartments from the old fund! Yours faithfully, hi
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2016 15: 28
                      Quote: Mikado
                      This is me to the fact that Leningraders are also different.

                      Nikolay, people are different everywhere, and we have such people, this does not mean that generalizations should be made on certain facts, as a well-known colleague did. In Leningrad, I have been and lived in the historical part, so I have an idea. And I respect Leningraders. Now I downloaded the series "Petersburg Diary", I will read
                      Sincerely. Eugene.
                      1. +2
                        27 October 2016 15: 47
                        I do not accept laughing Quote magazine for the 1956th year. If the required number of showers in the houses was not, then what can you do! Apartments with a shower, I suspect, in large numbers only with Khrushchev appeared. Prior to this - the baths were built, since the 20s.
                        and the fact that people are different everywhere, regardless of place of residence, is true. drinks With respect, Nicholai hi
                  2. +2
                    27 October 2016 14: 25
                    Actually, I thought you were smarter. Well, sorry, I was wrong. You can write about Soros further. And I will remind you once again so that you do not confuse anything and accurately set out the facts that he received a grant from his foundation in 1998 for the book "Knights of the East" (published in 2000) and for lecturing at Novosibirsk University. I was at the university. Lived in a junior suite in the hotel "Golden Valley". Both students and teachers listened. The book is on the Web, you can watch it and even buy it. And the Leningraders ... God bless them! There is a magazine, there is an article, links in it. Let's bet what I find and what will you write then?
                    1. +1
                      27 October 2016 14: 35
                      Quote: kalibr
                      You just don't need to write nonsense about Soros. "Amazing nearby, but it's ... forbidden!"

                      Leading anti-Russian organizations

                      NPO - wolves in sheep's clothing
                      There are quite a few organizations that under the slogan of human rights promote the interests of the United States or are trying to get something out of the blue. It is known that over the 20 years from 1991 to 2011, the Americans only officially allocated about 20 billion US dollars to various kinds of "assistance programs" of Russia. [2]
                      According to the Law on Foreign Agents, organizations that engage in political activities in Russia with foreign money must register as a “Foreign Agent”. As of March 2013, not a single non-profit organization filed documents for such registration.
                      Although the harm from the anti-Russian activities of the organizations listed in the article is difficult to overestimate, representatives of a different category of Russophobes working for the organizations listed in a special article are much better known in Russia.
                      In 2016, unknown hackers (possibly Israeli) hacked the Soros Foundation server. From the letters and documents, it became clear that almost everything George Soros was suspected of earlier turned out to be true:
                      The Soros Foundation used advocacy exclusively to cover up dirty political fraud.
                      One of the main goals of the Soros Foundation is the fight against Russia.
                      Ukraine is directly controlled from the USA.
                      "Independent" Western media sold, and for very modest amounts
                      And the last one. The most interesting thing in letters and documents is, of course, the budgets for various events. For example, from one document on budgeting operations to improve the image of post-Maidan Ukraine in the West, we learn how much it costs to attract the British Guardian newspaper to positively cover the topic “Ukraine - the year after the Maidan”. According to Soros experts, the editorial independence of the Guardian costs about $ 100 and a dozen more individual grants for journalists. It is not clear whether these British journalists are so cheap or Soros has a discount like a regular customer?
                      In Russia, this fund positioned itself as a charitable organization, but its activities went far beyond the declared programs. For example, the Foundation carried out a two-year program at 33 universities of Russia, according to which, together with its developments, 80% of scientists participating in it went to the West.
                      The Soros Foundation was also seen in funding reports aimed at legalizing drugs.
                      http://ruxpert.ru/%C2%E5%E4%F3%F9%E8%E5_%E0%ED%F2
                      %E8%F0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E9%F1%EA%F3%FE_%E4%E5%FF%F2%E5
                      %EB%FC%ED%EE%F1%F2%FC_%EE%F0%E3%E0%ED%E8%E7%E0%F6
                      % E8% E8

                      Are you still protecting SOROS?
                      1. +1
                        27 October 2016 22: 45
                        Am I protecting? What is it clear from? Where is at least one word in his defense? But the question is: in the 1998 year, he acted on the territory of the Russian Federation by law? Yes, by law! Was closed by law in 2003? Yes, by law! Was it legal to use his services during the time he acted according to the law? Legally! What other questions? The book itself is on the web.
        2. +3
          27 October 2016 06: 23
          Quote: kalibr
          Are our losers always excited? Or think that their opinion here can at least change something?

          "Major" You are ours, do you ascribe a lot of ratings about yourself?
          1. +2
            27 October 2016 14: 20
            No, just right. Look how many of my books are hanging here on the Internet, and behind each of them are their readers, and my views on certain problems. Then students ... since 1982 they passed through my hands immeasurably and they learned a lot from me, my magazine "Tankomaster" was published from 1991 to 2007. These are dozens of numbers from which people learned a lot about tanks that they did not know before, chose their path in life, and so on. And there are many such examples. In Penza, on my TV shows in 1980 to 1991, more than one generation of Penza residents grew up ... what more do you want?
    2. +3
      26 October 2016 11: 18
      Quote: voyaka uh
      powerful pressure of notorious fly agaric

      Where in the article about fly agarics, poke your finger. laughing
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There are more and more such throws every day.

      Google Western sites, there, in relation to the Russian Federation, there will be enough stuffing for the new Himalayas, and if on Ukrainian sites, then even more ...
      1. +2
        26 October 2016 14: 54
        "Google Western sites, there, in relation to the Russian Federation, there will be enough stuffing in the new Himalayas" ////

        I read English. Nothing about the 2nd World War, the 30s, the 50s - no.
        No stuffing. They are not interested in these topics at all.

        About Putin they are interested in what he will do next, how to dissolve his hodgepodge:
        geopolitics and economics.

        But I do not enter Ukrainian sites. They are as violent as some Russian ones,
        just the opposite wassat .
        1. +2
          26 October 2016 17: 54
          My students, those who work and live in the US, regularly send me their "National Interest". And there are no special lies and stuffing. Yes, they talk about how and what ... now. There are interesting articles on American history. But ... there is no particular interest in us. I studied with a graduate in Texas during the beginning of the Ukrainian events. I ask - what do they write? She told me - there is a channel 24 hours a news a day, they say something all the time. And they write ... NOTHING! They write about the rodeo! Rodeo in Kansas - "Well, obviously, it's cool, but everything else is good." This is still propaganda from Soviet times, that everyone there is only doing what they write about what we are and how. And if you selectively select, then ... yes, it will seem so. But in reality it is not so. However, here on VO there are people from America, and from England, and from Spain - they can confirm that this is so. That is, they write about us there, yes, and often badly. But many times less than what we write about it. And our journalists just want significance and they strive to maintain the same feeling in our citizens as it is convenient.
    3. +5
      26 October 2016 19: 26
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It’s not clear how to comment on this ...

      We must rejoice! That Israel has not yet been "formed." And, then Israel would be extreme in both wars.
      There would be a Jewish conspiracy, not an Anglo-Saxon one. And you would pay reparations to Germany. wink
      Everything was simpler in history. Young predators with their jackals grabbed the older ones for the intended prey. After all, the "golden billion"! For the time being, the United States, according to the Chinese proverb about the monkey, waited, making a profit from both sides. As a result, the British lion "ceded" the crown to "exceptional" elephant-donkeys, or donkey-elephants, whatever.
      The role of Russia, as always in history, is a tidbit. Barbarians, however, are "subhuman".
      Well, Shpakovsky would have better covered this topic professionally from the notes of 30 years ago. He is in a blow today! But, his abstracts are now different.
      Quote: kalibr
      The conclusion is that people are ALWAYS divided into the lower classes and the elite. That the elite is not taught, but not re-educated, and that means the state must take care of the balance of interests of the elite and the lower classes - this is its main task

      Quote: kalibr
      And what rule? Do not fight with the strong, do not reach with the smart, if you yourself are stupid!

      Quote: kalibr
      Why is it that our losers are always excited?

      Quote: kalibr
      And I need more than anyone, right?

      Quote: kalibr
      I am always on the side of the winners ....

      wink
      So, "you have to get used to it."
      1. 0
        26 October 2016 19: 50
        Where can I compete with such statements: "And instead of establishing a strategic partnership with the USSR and creating an axis of prosperity and security Berlin-Moscow-Tokyo, which could successfully resist the London-Washington alliance, and destroy the" island world "" Or you with both hands for! As for the abstracts ... especially for you, I found a very interesting dissertation on the history of the CPSU, defended in 1986. I will soon make several articles on it. You will not regret!
    4. 0
      26 October 2016 19: 52
      Quote: voyaka uh
      it's unclear how to comment on this

      You have already commented quite accurately:
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Such a powerful pressure of inveterate fly agaric
      Yes
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But you have to get used to it. There are more and more such throws every day


      No need to get used to it. And it doesn’t get anymore, the usual percentage of fly agaric, as always .... lol Yes
    5. +3
      26 October 2016 20: 59
      This is frightening, the number of people who want to throw Abrams slippers from the couch is growing steadily
  15. +1
    26 October 2016 10: 41
    "Eh, Vasya!"
    As it was written by someone earlier, "started for health." And suddenly:
    ....... At the same time, the "internal problem" of the Western project was resolved - the weakening and final submission of Germany.
    After the WWII, Germany did not lie on one side, but in any position. Territories, reparations, millions of cripples, complete demilitarization were torn away. Food is potatoes at best. They just paid off the PMV debts yesterday. And you need to FINALLY subjugate! Complete non-understanding of the issue. It seems to be in the right direction, and that ...
    Brilliant: in order to weaken and finally subdue, you need to pump up (invest billions of dollars) and arm. What a mess. I remember "kavarny Albion".
    1. +2
      26 October 2016 11: 43
      Well, the person is ill for logic, sick. And you ... pay attention to this. And after all "your own in the board." How can you do it?
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Food is potatoes at best.

      You read A. Tolstoy - they ate potato husks!
      1. 0
        26 October 2016 14: 16
        Quote: kalibr
        You read A. Tolstoy - they ate potato husks!

        According to modern sources = potassium source !?
        1. +1
          26 October 2016 18: 13
          Quote: V.ic
          Quote: kalibr
          You read A. Tolstoy - they ate potato husks!

          According to modern sources = potassium source !?

          Yes Yes. Useful So all our movie divas are sitting on it ?!
          And how do historians need potassium?
          1. 0
            27 October 2016 06: 28
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            And as historians need

            If you ask a question in Russian, then "What is ..." "Excuse me" ... sometimes "it hurts your ears" when you read ...
  16. BAI
    +3
    26 October 2016 10: 49
    Some article of agitation.
    1. One can argue about the "brilliant" pact: as a result, the border battle began in unprepared territory. which played a significant role in the defeat of the first echelon of the Red Army.
    2. What is this "Soviet" civilization? Why not socialist or communist? This is probably the first case when civilization is determined not by nationality, but by the type of state structure of one state, at that time - the only one on the planet (Mongolia does not count).
  17. +3
    26 October 2016 11: 55
    Everyone wanted the Second World War, except for the USSR; we had no need for markets or resources at that time. Another question is who wanted what. The Japanese needed resources, the Germans and Americans markets, the British and French to protect their colonies and markets. Because the Japanese didn’t climb in the USSR because they seem to have resources, they need to develop deposits in the cold, and the local population is small. They climbed to the Philippines and Indonesia. And Hitler, in fact, in Russia also did not need anything, but he climbed. Why? Instead of capturing England, and accordingly its markets, factories, population, he climbed where it is cold. What for? Caucasian oil? In general, it is not clear. Hence the conspiracy theory.
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 11: 37
      What theory is there? (conspiracy). - It's pure practice! It is simply dumb to the German Nazis to admit that they were raped by the full program by the same comrades who gave them 6.5 million of their blood relatives to be eaten. Speak the Holocaust? - Yes it was. But that is the name. But in fact - the bait of a cultivated beast.
  18. +1
    26 October 2016 12: 37
    He climbed because he knew that the only ally of England on the continent that could stop Germany was the USSR and it must be defeated before he gained strength. And Hitler didn’t need living space, and so all Europe under him was
    1. +2
      26 October 2016 13: 17
      Quote: Bask
      He climbed because he knew that the only ally of England on the continent that could stop Germany was the USSR and it must be defeated before he gained strength. And Hitler didn’t need living space, and so all Europe under him was


      In the next 3-4 years, we did not need a war at all. The army is switching to new equipment, and you need to not only saturate its troops, but also train the crews. On the example of the same t-34, it was actually brought to mind only in the 44th year.
      During these three or four years, Hitler would have swept the United Kingdom in the lap, occupied, received a huge shipbuilding and, in general, engineering base. And Churchill would have taken the queen for a hitch with the whole Politburo, if only the USSR would have got into this war at that moment. Even if Hitler had grown together, he would have reached the Urals, and so what? All the same, troops and resources would have to be kept in the East. There is no profit in the attack on the USSR.
      1. +2
        26 October 2016 16: 39
        Quote: demiurg
        During these three or four years, Hitler would have swept the United Kingdom in the lap, occupied, received a huge shipbuilding and, in general, engineering base.

        Small business is to land on the Islands. Taking into account the fact that even in the best for Germany 1940, the backlashes did not manage to gain dominance in the air - the landing task has no solution.
        For without dominance in the air, the Germans do not even have a scanty chance of landing: their fleet is completely inferior not only to Royal Navy, but even to its part, which is based in the Canal zone.
        And worst of all - in 1941, the United States openly stood up for the former Metropolis, actually turning into a belligerent. Freight escort, Lend-Lease, change of British occupying forces, construction of warships for RN, permission for incumbent officers to go to war in Britain, a joint army and navy commission to deploy American bases (spring 1941), etc., etc. P. In the battle with the tandem of Great Britain and the USA, the Reich had no chance at all.

        Actually, Directive 21 appeared from the realization of the impossibility of forcing Britain to peace in a canonical way in the form of a landing on the Islands. So Hitler had to master the "Strategy of Indirect Actions": to force England to peace by routing the USSR.
        Russia is the factor that England puts on most of all ... Russia only needs to tell England that it does not want Germany to be strengthened, and then the British will, like drowning people, hope that things will turn out completely different in 6-8 months .

        But if Russia is broken, England’s last hope will fade. The lord of Europe and the Balkans will then be Germany.
        Solution: this clash with Russia must be done away with. In the spring of the 41st
        1. 0
          29 October 2016 10: 51
          Goering was once again yap - the British did not concede in the air.
          Channel stolen GranFleet.
          Hitler had an idea - to demobilize part of the army and sharply increase the output of submarines.
          And then crush England with a blockade, which inevitably along the way joined the United States.
          But the Führer already had a ticking watch on the other hand - the USSR (especially the military-industrial complex) got off to a low start - and Hitler took a rather tight part in equipping the Red Army with sneakers.
          The eternal question of choice is what to spend time and resources on.
          And here Hitler was let down by intelligence - now the thesis "about the conquest of Russia as a factor of pressure on England" looks ridiculous - and in 40 the entire German analytical machine made a different conclusion (not only Hitler).
          After Dunkirk, the British had only one on the islands !!! fully armed division.
          But Hitler forgot that it is very difficult for an elephant to fight a whale.
      2. 0
        27 October 2016 22: 57
        Which queen, opa?!?! They, just in case between Elizabeth-Victoria-Elizabeth, still had kings. Take an interest in the story of a potential adversary.
  19. +1
    26 October 2016 12: 49
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: Bask
    I read his second article, and the question arises - what does he smoke before starting

    In fact, this author has more than two articles ...
    So for some reason I have no questions like: what did you smoke before writing your comment ...

    And what did I write about it that offended you so much? That I read two articles by this author and concluded that he was a little crazy? But agree in his article the idea of ​​a conspiracy of the West against Russia is spelled out in every sentence, but Russia it’s a light, the Russians are the most, and the rest are not lying around. When in Ukraine, people write such things, people who think they call them maydanuty. And you?
    1. +1
      26 October 2016 14: 37
      And here some, not all, however, are called authors of highly patriotic articles. As for maydanut, it is the same for everyone: We are great, we are powerful, higher than the sun, more clouds. ”The only difference is that someone is digging the sea, and someone is leaving Hyperborea.
    2. 0
      26 October 2016 14: 41
      Quote: Bask
      but Russia is a lamp, the Russians are the most, and the rest are not lying nearby.

      I am pleased to review your thesis! Quote / link to the studio! It is interesting to get acquainted with teetotalers ...
      Quote: Bask
      When in Ukraine, people write things like that,

      Oh, I beg you, I / O in Ukraine not only write speech intelligently ...
      Quote: Bask
      people who think they are called maydanutye. And you?

      You know, your "May-Downs" in the Russian Federation are also called Maydanuts.
  20. +2
    26 October 2016 13: 20
    “Now Russia has understood the horrors of the 'great' revolutions of England and France for herself. However, the horrors of Russia surpassed everything known so far in their scale.
    Since the revolution, all of Russia, with its wealth and population, has become Jewish.
    The retribution of the Russian people will fall upon them, and then in all of Russia there will not be a single Jew who would remember those “glorious days” when he, with all his blood-smeared gang, danced on what was supposed to be the corpse of the great Russian nation. "

    Alfred Rosenberg, article "Jewish Bolshevism," Völkischer Beobachter, November 26, 1921.
    1. +6
      26 October 2016 17: 06
      ABOUT! The site already provides full quotes of the main
      Nazi ideologists ...

      Can No. ?
      1. +2
        26 October 2016 19: 08
        This is interesting to me: They robbed everything: they took away the technical achievements of Germany (for example, von Braun's ballistic missile), jewelry and gold, ordinary soldiers took out all the goods that they could get. "They" took out - "they" are bad. We took out the same thing - we are good. What kind of scooter we have was one to one from the German "Gorgo" licked? And RD engines are not former BMW and YuMO watches? Or is the R-1 rocket a copy of the FAU? And so you can go on a lot ...
        1. +1
          27 October 2016 06: 32
          Quote: kalibr
          (e.g. von Braun ballistic missile)

          Only one (1 = only) thing?
          You still forgot to mention Mr. Diesel ...
          1. 0
            27 October 2016 14: 01
            Diesel sold the license to Russia legally. Nobody stole anything from him. No need to juggle, it's ugly.
            A lot of missiles were taken out. The journal "Technics and Armaments" wrote about this. And parts ... everything they could, they took out.
            1. 0
              27 October 2016 19: 36
              That is, the damage of two trillion dollars in today's equivalent, the defeat of a third of the country to zero, the destruction of industry there, the sack of all museums by the Germans, is good, but is the Soviet reparation from them bad?
              Export of technical documentation by Amers and Angles is good, export by us is bad, what are you writing about and who are you justifying, the Germans?
              It’s a secret for you that reinventing the wheel twice is a stupid thing if you already have one?
              Or did you have to run away to look for the inventor of the scooter, pay respect to him twenty Lyamov, they say Herr Muller, will we create the same scooter here?
              Do you understand that you write frank dregs?
              1. 0
                27 October 2016 22: 49
                This is not muddy. So we did everything, and we did it too. And it’s good that they did, at least a little loss was paid back. But why blame the Americans? Can we, aren't they? Strange logic.
                1. +1
                  27 October 2016 22: 59
                  Churchill wrote the following: “Crossing the border of Czechoslovakia by German aviation will mean the resumption of world war. But we should not think in terms of time frames of 3-4 months, but in the framework of 3-4 years. "We must let Hitler get bogged down in the war so that then the democracies once and for all put an end to it." What is 3-4 years? It is clear that this is too much to conquer Czechoslovakia. Churchill had in mind that Hitler would start a war against the Soviet Union on his own behalf, weaken, and then the Anglo-Saxons would very easily finish him off. That is, Churchill already in 1938 understood that Munich was a prologue to world war. Nevertheless, the British, French, and Italians went for it, trying to create an anti-Soviet front. In this regard, we do not need in any way to prove the obvious, to refute the lie that the Soviet-German treaty was a prologue to the war. We need to argue that Munich was the prologue, blaming the Second World War on Great Britain, France, Italy and Germany.
                  https://cont.ws/post/412670
                  Will you refute what was said?

                  The Americans have already grown fat on the blood of two world wars, will you deny the same thing? And in both cases, they have ripened to hat analysis.
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2016 07: 34
                    Smart people, you can only say one thing!
  21. +2
    26 October 2016 16: 10
    am conspiracy theory am
  22. +1
    26 October 2016 20: 00
    Quote: demiurg
    ... And Hitler, in fact, in Russia also did not need anything, but he climbed. Why?...

    Quote: Bask
    ... But Hitler and nafig did not need living space, and so all of Europe was under it

    Adolf Schiklgruber formulated goals and objectives back in 1925-1928. With his coming to power, a war with Poland, Czechoslovakia and the USSR became inevitable, with England and France highly probable, and with the United States unlikely.
    The conquered European countries were needed by Germany as sources of raw materials, industrial and human resources. .
  23. +6
    26 October 2016 20: 47
    "The word is not a sparrow, if it flies out, you won't catch it"
    This is what they say in St. Petersburg.
    Quote: kalibr
    Yes, the cards were canceled. But in St. Petersburg, according to the Rodina magazine, in 1956 one worker had 6 (six!) Washing days on average a year! That's when they stank!

    Not in St. Petersburg, but in Leningrad.

    ... according to Rodina magazine ...

    It's like "according to the site" topwar ". There are many authors and everyone has their own opinion.
    What issue of the magazine and what article did you mean?

    ... in 1956, there were 6 (six!) washing days per worker on average per year! ...

    Probably you have used dishonestly data for argumentation.
    Do you yourself believe that the workers washed themselves once every two months, or is it so that they would offend the opponent?
    It was just easier for the workers. Most enterprises had showers and hot water. To wash after the shift is a common thing.
    In apartments - shower or bath,
    in dormitories - usually showers,
    in private homes - wash at least every day,
    in the barracks it was harder - the amenities on the street.

    ... Then it smelled of them!

    Based on the foregoing, even though I am not personally acquainted with you, I venture to assume that the smell of Leningraders was no worse than that of you at present.
    1. +3
      27 October 2016 10: 13
      Quote: Caretaker
      It was just easier for the workers. Most enterprises had showers and hot water. To wash after the shift is a common thing.
      In apartments - shower or bath,
      in dormitories - usually showers,
      in private homes - wash at least every day,
      in the barracks it was harder - the amenities on the street.

      And to all this there are also public baths. Like the same "Giant":
    2. +1
      27 October 2016 14: 05
      You are right, you must specify the year, number and title of the article, all the more, it provided links to archival materials. But you won’t write down and remember everything. However, there is such a thing as professional memory. She grabs a lot of things that are interesting, that makes an impression, but the link numbers ... alas, no. But the fact remains. If you want, I will look for this material. Write to the profile ...
      1. +1
        27 October 2016 20: 37
        In general, nothing is clear. And where are the souls. In St. Petersburg? For 9 years of viewing other people's apartments in one old house, I saw the souls of the time --- Bol'shoy PS and Rybatskaya
        .Kuybysheva 22 - split apartments 10 rooms ----- bathroom. On Zvenigorodskaya, Kutuzova embankment, Izmailovsky ---- the same split apartments with bathroom, 8-10 rooms. The whole center. Sometimes there were apartments over 10 rooms. They were divided into 2, and then into smaller rooms. Then one apartment turned out without a bath.
        Self-established showers. ?? And the waterproofing and pipes - what ??. Baths were in communal apartments. Baths are different, Put a shower, if it is not there and was not there ----- This is only available recently. And do not understand why you can laugh at the Leningrad workers, but you can’t laugh at Soros? Where is Soros and where are we? And it is not clear, here the Bloodsucker writes ------ the teacher has forgotten the History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. And what? This was when? 33-34 years ago. I don’t understand anything else ---- an article about social lifts is forgotten. Part 2. Or did I lose? In other articles, the author was proud of his communist ancestors and his stepfather Pole. And then somehow he began to "" expose "" the communists in every possible way ----- is it not clear ??
        And then suddenly a message that "EP" is a blogging armored train? Not clear. And then praises to the White Bohemian businessmen. I did not understand this and I decided that it was an apple or Parnassus? And when the majority of "" EP "" "----- it turned out that Vyacheslav Olegovich is always with the winners. !!!!! And it is possible that precisely because, as he wrote, Vyacheslav Olegovich has many students and readers ---- they found out about this armored train and thought ....... I don't understand
        And what about the toilet in the old house in Penza ?. In St. Petersburg, yes daaaaaaavno toilet bowls.
        1. 0
          27 October 2016 23: 04
          You know, I cited a fact from the Rodina magazine, where it was included in an article on the social situation of the workers of Leningrad. "Rodina" is a serious magazine and I am very surprised that no one refers to it here, but only to websites. If I need to - I'll find this article, it's just a matter of time. And now so, do you prefer to reach out for the vanquished? Love the poor and sick more than the rich and healthy? I give information, you read it, what else is needed? Footnotes for every word and number? I can, but it will be harder to read. How much? Take the magazine "History of State and Law" No. 13-2016 There is my article in the development of the topic on VO: "Soviet newspapers about the United States in the years of VO ..." - look. I haven’t noticed any praise for the Czechs. Or is it praiseworthy for what they did? So in relation to yourself and your country - yes, commendable. In our attitude, we suffered naturally. The laws of historical development cannot be changed. There are lows, mids and highs. The task of the top is to stay at the top. The average dream to take their place. In the mass of the lower ones, the ideas of justice and equality roam, which the middle ones use to overthrow the higher ones. It's a pyramid! It is impossible to turn it over! You can change the higher, middle, but the lower will never be at the top. There is simply no room! This is clear? Hence all the dances! And - yes, there are those who believe that there is a place. They are hit on the head by history, riot police, and now the National Guard will put its hands on it. And the toilet in my wooden house - if you are interested, they demolished along with it back in 1974 and now in their place is a building materials store! Good luck to you!
          1. 0
            27 October 2016 23: 14
            You won’t believe ... and the president of one Baltic republic, Smetona clicked, so in general announced a competition for the best toilet on the farm, because before that they fell down anywhere and anywhere, Europe ....
            Would you still dig up some little article from the time of Gogol, with a description of the baths, baths and showers used by the industrial workers of that time ... that would be a picture ...
            1. +1
              28 October 2016 07: 35
              Yes, you are right, the topic is very interesting and instructive.
            2. +1
              28 October 2016 07: 37
              Well, it is not clear why Kasyanov, Navalny, Khodorkovsky are sick. ???? If the Communists were criticized, if the message that the "ER" "armored the train of the White Guards - and there were still an apple and Parnassus. NOT green, are they?
              Who knows, perhaps it is precisely because of this article about the armor of the White Guard train that so few people came to the polls?
              What ----- PR is a great opportunity, the more readable, much respected author. How many of his students in the USA live, how many still haven’t reached there .... going to?
              1. 0
                28 October 2016 20: 21
                Two girls live. One got married. Every summer from 3 to 5 people go, now less. How many plan to stay? I do not know. The best ones have not left; they are now studying for a master's degree. As for the article about the armored train influenced the election ... don’t tell me. 30 thousand people are registered on the VO site it is a drop in the ocean. And these are not all and not all read.
                1. 0
                  29 October 2016 06: 23
                  There were MUCH mentions about other countries. And I don’t even doubt about your influence on the elections. What you wrote earlier in the comments - about PR, struggle, your possibilities. Where and how to fight - we won’t know for sure. VO - after all, it’s not the only place. And what is the election campaign in this? You fought against the Communists.
  24. +6
    26 October 2016 21: 11
    The West in the person of the Anglo-Saxons has never been and will not be an ally of the Russians; they are enemies. And today, stealing and hiding Russian money from the Anglo-Saxons is idiocy, to teach children there even worse they are future agents of influence, but if
    You have noticed mainly the corrupt officials and the ruling circles of Russia, not Russians, but cosmopolitans, eternal "refugees" with an "ancient" invented history.
  25. +1
    27 October 2016 11: 31
    100% agree with the author. True, pathetics are a bit much, but even better. Urgent translation into German, and send to the parliaments of the German lands!
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 15: 45
      Quote: andrew42
      100% agree with the author.

      For such a period must be given.
  26. +2
    27 October 2016 11: 54
    Good article. But they got it already with their "Anglo-Saxons". These are Jewish banking houses, let's call a spade a spade. It is also possible to use a more politically correct Stalinist definition of "Western plutocracy" and a little more concretely "British" bourgeoisie. This is not even the British monarchy, which is just "in the slice". Despite the fact that the British monarchy since 1066 has nothing to do with either the Saxons or the Angles. Is Attlstan on the throne in Britain now, or Alfred the Great? What the hell are the Saxons?
  27. 0
    27 October 2016 12: 05
    The Berlin-Moscow-Tokyo axis was a priori impossible. It is enough to read "Mein Kampf" - Hitler's most programmatic document. The main goal of National Socialist Germany is clearly stated there. The Nazis were from the very beginning the "war elephant" of the Anglo-Saxons. And the "miraculous rescue" of more than three hundred thousand British soldiers in Dunkirk more than confirms this.
  28. +1
    27 October 2016 12: 45
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: Bask
    but Russia is a lamp, the Russians are the most, and the rest are not lying nearby.

    I am pleased to review your thesis! Quote / link to the studio! It is interesting to get acquainted with teetotalers ...
    Quote: Bask
    When in Ukraine, people write things like that,

    Oh, I beg you, I / O in Ukraine not only write speech intelligently ...
    Quote: Bask
    people who think they are called maydanutye. And you?

    You know, your "May-Downs" in the Russian Federation are also called Maydanuts.

    (However, Russia once again confused the plans of the Western masters. At that time Great Russia was headed not by a fake “democratic chosen one”, and not by a government ready to “optimize” everything and everyone, but a wise and tough leader, well acquainted with the tactics and strategy of the “world backstage. ”Not believing a single word of“ partners, ”Stalin mobilized the entire Soviet (Russian) civilization and the entire great Russian people in the pre-war years to fight the centuries-old enemy. The Red Army had a powerful rear, a military-industrial complex that produces all kinds of weapons and technology, science, creating advanced weapons, a single, educated and healthy people, who believe in a "bright future", embody the ideals of good on Earth and ready to die for their homeland.)
    Well, at least this paragraph is about great Russia, which supposedly alone dragged the whole war. But for some reason, the author never mentioned that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics won the war, but no matter how, they were 15. And still participated in the Great Patriotic War -French, Spaniards and even Englishmen defended the sky of Murmansk. But this, such as the author of this article, and you, judging by your comments, have safely forgotten.
    And let's not talk about Ukraine, look at your garden. You also have enough with a diagnosis of May Down.
  29. 0
    27 October 2016 12: 59
    The article, in principle, did not reveal anything new. This version has long been "wandering" among the masses.
    Maybe there is some kind of conspiracy, some reptilians who, disguised as people, are trying to plague mankind for their loved ones and so on.

    But this is just a struggle for survival. Global competition is the essence of man. Wars for resources and privileges were fought in ancient times between tribes. Now, instead of tribes, they are states. Imagine the situation - the United States, England, Japan, France, Germany and Russia got into the pit, who will be eaten first? Russia is big - it will be enough for everyone for a long time. But she is also strong, one on one can not beat her. Therefore, for the main competitor of the United States, it is profitable to attack Russia all together, divide it and eat it, and then eat the rest of the weak countries one at a time. Our planet is a pit. In matters of survival there is no place for lyrics and morality - there is only a cold calculation.
  30. +1
    27 October 2016 13: 13
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    Quote: Bask
    In fact, everything is much simpler, each country in world politics pursues its own goals, interesting only to her, and the Soviet Union was no exception

    Can you cite facts that would indicate that the USSR by 1941 had any complaints against its neighbors?
    Or, what claims to the USSR, Germany "did not have" in the light of Hess's trip to England, with a proposal to England and the United States to divide the territory of the USSR into zones of occupation and dependence.
    So what was the interest of the USSR besides protecting its territory?

    Yes, at least to Finland in 1939. With the proposals, the German leadership could come up with whatever they wanted, but England still did not accept them. The interest is that the Soviet leadership would still get involved in the war, but it needed time to He’ll get ready. And Hitler, realizing this, attacked first. I’ll repeat again. I’m not against the USSR. I just don’t understand some people. Why idealize the Soviet Union and its leaders, because they were not saints, and certainly did not think about the good of all mankind, but they just defended the interests of their state and did what was beneficial for it (concluded an agreement with Germany, divided Poland and took Bukavina from Romania), and all this from the point of view of universal values ​​is immoral, but from the point of view of conducting politics in the interests of their state quite acceptable.
  31. +2
    27 October 2016 16: 07
    Mikado,
    Quote: Mikado
    Prior to this - the baths were built, since the 20s.

    So we had baths and there were no showers. This alone for a citizen of caliber is a sign that the Russians are smelly animals. Ivan, not remembering kinship.
    Sincerely, Eugene. hi
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 23: 13
      And you, Zhenya, don't you use public transport? And now there are enough smelly men and what they can’t bear. Not all of them, but ... there are quite a few numbers. Especially a lot of them accumulate in the post office from 20 to 25 every month - even hang an ax. Sometimes you have to go in for letters ... But there are also baths and showers, and finally you can pour from the ladle ... So there is hardly any reason to assert that "Russians are stinking animals." But, unfortunately, they are still found among us. And not only homeless people, that's what's interesting. Those are immediately visible.
      1. +2
        27 October 2016 23: 18
        Bah ... yes, you fully confirm with your writings the thesis that the intelligentsia, who imagines himself to be the salt of the nation, absolutely loses touch with the people, accusing the very people of all the sins and misfortunes of the intelligentsia ... you don’t see the smell of a worker rendered ...
        Quote: kalibr
        So there is hardly any reason to say that "Russians are smelly animals." But, unfortunately, they are still found among us. And not only homeless people, that's what's interesting. Those are immediately visible.

        They didn’t try to change the country .. there all the reminded people go, manicured, painted, only they look a little like men ...
        1. +1
          28 October 2016 06: 57
          Why is it you just like you against the grain suggesting that I change my shit for someone else's. There are problems there. I wish we didn't have it here! And you put up with such shortcomings, right? Then do not generalize so stupidly. " All" ! Not all of them. I was abroad and I can say that I have not seen such men there at all. I saw blacks in France and Muslim women wrapped up, but not all pomaded. But they clean up the shit behind their dogs! And I want it to be with us too. And I will be fine, and you too!
          1. +1
            28 October 2016 09: 59
            Because you are drawn to a stranger, groaning your own.
            So, at a glance, the result of your activity including.
            production of machine tools in the RSFSR 1990-74200, the modern RF-3300-what does this mean?
            Metal cutting with PU and CNC, RSFSR-16741, RF-227-what does this mean?
            Automatic and semi-automatic lines for mechanical engineering and metalworking
            RSFSR-556, RF-O (ZERO) -WHAT does it say?
            Do you understand what this means? Or soar in the clouds?
            Quote: kalibr
            I saw blacks in France and Muslim women wrapped up, but there are no reminded people.

            Didn’t you see? Oh ... yes, in Berlin alone they were a rampart, what are you telling tales about?
            http://www.marshruty.ru/event/csd-berlin/
            http://www.marshruty.ru/event/parade-sodoma-paris
            /
            http://politikus.ru/events/10826-balkanskie-parad
            y-sodomitov-razvlechenie-i-politika.html
            What is it? Do you have pink glasses and a reluctance to see the obvious, WEST is a civilization of decline?
            This is not a development path for Russia; are you able to understand this?
            In villages, villages, near Berlin, in the area, for example, Nauen and deeper, have been? What smells there?
            Look ... the nose is turning away from the workers ...
            Saratov region, Vozrozhdenie settlement - WORKS ZERO. Anyone who could, on earnings in Moscow, is your ideal?
            1. 0
              28 October 2016 20: 31
              Let's start with the machines. It says that machines are no longer needed, now is the time of 3D printers. I was not in Berlin, as I can’t say. I also haven’t been to villages near Berlin. He has been to Spain, France and Cyprus. Everywhere is clean and well maintained. In Cyprus, I saw many drunken Germans. In Spain, he traveled by train (aka metro) from Blanes to Barcelona past a nudist beach. I saw one man pee on another. I saw how the owners of the dogs clean them after them. I do not urge you and anyone else to urinate on anyone else. But for the dogs to clean up - I urge.
              The undulating development of science, technology and culture, ups and downs is a well-known thing. Are you typing all this from the "Indigirka" computer? It is difficult to say which way is the best for Russia. I turn my nose not from the workers, but from the stinking workers. These are two big differences. Even from drunks and ignoramuses. But even to my students I say that the last drunkard is nevertheless a citizen of the Russian Federation, has the right to choose and be elected, so you need to work with him.
              1. 0
                28 October 2016 20: 34
                Quote: kalibr
                It says that machines are no longer needed, now is the time for 3D printers.

                Firstly, who is saying this, and secondly, ask the production workers if machine tools are needed. I do not care much about your absolutely unprofessional opinion on this issue.
                Everything else, I'm sorry, but balabolstvo.
                1. 0
                  29 October 2016 07: 50
                  Why ask manufacturers when we have a market, the market decides what is needed and what is not! And your opinion on the story professionally? Is it time to introduce yourself to you, what you are, what specialty, what your citation index is and how many jobs are in the SCOPUS, VAK and Rinz systems? And without it ... well, who am I talking to?
                  1. +1
                    30 October 2016 08: 50
                    Market? Decides? Feel free to leave the Looking Glass. There are not so primitive illusions. So many liberal economists insist that the Fed decides the size of the discount rate.
                    1. 0
                      30 October 2016 14: 05
                      You want to say that we have no market?
                      1. 0
                        30 October 2016 16: 47
                        You definitely don’t have a quasi-market in the country, fragmented by the oligarchy.
                        No machine tools, no product, will it reach you?
                        There are no machine tools, there is no industry, imports are not a panacea, the embargo has been imposed, there are no spare parts and accessories, your vaunted market was covered with a copper basin.
  32. 0
    27 October 2016 19: 15
    Too much pathos, but essentially true.
  33. +1
    27 October 2016 20: 18
    Quote: kalibr
    You are right, you must specify the year, number and title of the article, all the more, it provided links to archival materials. But you won’t write down and remember everything. However, there is such a thing as professional memory. She grabs a lot of things that are interesting, that makes an impression, but the link numbers ... alas, no. But the fact remains. If you want, I will look for this material. Write to the profile ...

    It’s not about the fact that in one of the articles there is a phrase "6 (six!) Washing days".
    You are unscrupulous, and maybe not critical, used the information you remembered. Most importantly, the conclusion was made deliberately offensive to the Leningrad workers.
    Moreover, you still insist on your own, despite the arguments given about the possibility of daily "washing".
    This gives rise to two versions:
    1 - an attempt to insult an opponent by insulting a group of persons personally you despised, but respected by the opponent;
    2 - incompetence, because they are not able to remember and critically interpret the information received, including the arguments given in the subject.

    Count how many "bathing days" in public baths are there per inhabitant of your city. I suppose that about the same, which does not mean their uncleanliness, since there are showers, bathrooms, and finally their own baths.
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 23: 16
      It is very possible that in 56 in Penza they washed themselves in yards of gangs. There is a dissertation on the social status of the Penza workers in the 50 years. Must see ...
    2. 0
      28 October 2016 09: 31
      Quote: Caretaker
      own baths

      Own baths with residents of Leningrad in the 50? This is awesome!
      1. +1
        28 October 2016 16: 13
        The history of St. Petersburg and Leningrad is such that the city, expanding, absorbed nearby villages and other population centers. This process, of course, was not instantaneous, but rather long enough. Therefore, there were always rural houses entering the territory of the city. As a rule, administrative measures significantly ahead of the construction of multi-storey buildings. What are administrative ---- city phone numbers, city tariffs for housing and communal services, city transport prices, well, and then on the list.
        1. 0
          28 October 2016 20: 36
          Especially for you, I found one very interesting scientific monograph. There are a lot of things about Peter too. Read: http://coollib.com/b/153771/read
  34. 0
    12 November 2016 09: 13
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    ... taking national property into their own hands and becoming part of the global "elite"

    Thank you for the article.
    The lackeys in the soul and after a thousand years will remain lackeys. They do not strive to become a global elite; their ultimate dream is to become lackeys with a master.