"Russian Caliphate"

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"Russian Caliphate"

Decades of degradation of the Soviet ideology and the complete absence of state ideology in the Russian Federation are beginning to give their poisonous fruits. A holy place is never empty. Everything is simple here or the state purposefully forms a correct picture of the world in the heads of its citizens, or other ideologies fill the place, most often hostile ones brought from outside. An attempt by the Wahhabis to destroy one of the largest Russian objects of storage and destruction of chemical weapons The Kirov region, a real summary of military actions from the republics of the North Caucasus, the terrorist act in Volgograd, the pogroms in Biryulyov, unpunished motor races across Kazan with the black flags of Al Qaeda and the appeals “Death to the wrong!”, Statements by Tatar national separatists about supporting Islamist militants in Syria, Islamist seizures of traditionalist mosques put the question squarely. This is a question about the future of Russian civilization.

"Bells"

A real wave of terrorist attacks and their attempts has recently hit Russia. In July 2012, the deputy mufti of Tatarstan Valiulla Yakupov was shot dead near his house, and an attempt was made on the life of the mufti of the republic, Ildus Fayzov. Candidate historical Sci. Yakupov was a supporter of a tough struggle against Wahhabism and consistently advocated the prohibition of Wahhabism throughout the Russian Federation, seeing this as a real threat to traditional Islam. This was the first attempt to physically destroy the entire leadership of the largest Russian muftiat at once.

It should be noted that the mufti of Tatarstan Ildus Faizov and his deputy, Valiulla Yakupov, resisted the creeping invasion of Wahhabism in Tatarstan. They said that the radicals penetrate into the business and the state apparatus, find patrons and sponsors there. When Islamists began to seize mosques after 2005, Faizov and Yakupov tried to explain to the authorities a dangerous tendency: Islamic radicals began to occupy the positions of imams of the main mosques of the Republic of Tatarstan, which are guided by ideas instilled in them during their years in Saudi Arabia. However, under the "roof" of city and republican officials, the new Wahhabi clergy retained their seats. Already after the death of Yakupov, the Wahhabi trail was discovered, and the growing influence of the Wahhabi syndicate on the republic was recognized. The Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic, Artyom Hochorin, recognized "elements of the merging of individual officials and local leaders with Wahhabis." But the deal has already been done. The virus found a nutrient medium in Tatariya, and also spread to the Urals, Siberia and then everywhere. Radicals began to seize mosques not only in Tatarstan, but throughout Russia. In December, 2011, the radicals seized a mosque in Almetyevsk (Tatarstan), and a little earlier, the Wahhabis occupied a mosque in Krasnoufimsk (Sverdlovsk region), Buguruslan and Abdulino (Orenburg region). Muftis who preach the traditional for Russia Islam are expelled. It comes to murder. For two decades, according to the Central Spiritual Board of Muslims of Russia, 60 Muslim spiritual leaders have been killed.

In October, 2012, Russia shocked news about a special operation in Kazan. The special forces of the republican UFSB eliminated the gangsters suspected of attempting to mufti of Tatarstan after they put up armed resistance. During the assault, three FSB officers were injured, one of them was killed. An officer of the Special Purpose Center of the Federal Security Service of Russia heroically died, covering his body with a gangster who set in motion an explosive device with him. Later it turned out that the liquidated terrorists Robert Valeev and Ruslan Kashapov were preparing an explosion during the celebration of Kurban-bairam, which could lead to numerous victims.

In May 2013, a double explosion occurred in Makhachkala. A few dozen people were injured. Then the FSB officers neutralized in the Moscow region a group of terrorists who were preparing a series of terrorist attacks in the capital. During the battle, two terrorists were killed, one captured. Members of this gang were trained in the Afghan-Pakistani zone. In June, the organizer of the preparation of terrorist acts in the Russian capital, Yulai Davletbaev, was also detained. He is also an intermediary, direct customers are abroad. In addition, in May 2013, militants of the Nizhny Novgorod cell of the Islamic Liberation Party organization (Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami) were detained and actively recruited members, campaigned and prepared for terrorist attacks in the Nizhny Novgorod region. In June-July 2013, law enforcement agencies were able to prevent a series of terrorist attacks in Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria and Dagestan. Thus, in Dagestan, the task force defused six bombs with a total power of 50 kilograms of TNT.

In mid-October 2013, the FSB announced the prevention of a terrorist act in the Kirov region. Two young men wanted to detonate a bomb in 10 kg in TNT equivalent at the Maradykovsky facility in the Kirov region. The Maradykovsky landfill is the second largest facility of such a profile in Russia, it contained almost 7 thousand tons of toxic substances, that is, about 17% of all chemical weapons that are stored on Russian territory. The victims of the terrorist attack could be hundreds of people. Both suspects are natives of the North Caucasus and are active supporters of Wahhabism. The detainees after completing preparations for the crime planned to go abroad to one of the camps of international terrorist organizations, possibly to Syria, to increase their skills in sabotage activities.

21 October 2013, a suicide bomber blew up a bus in Krasnoarmeysky district of Volgograd. The power of an explosive device stuffed with striking elements was 500 — 600 g of TNT equivalent. 7 people died, including a terrorist, injured 37. Naha Asiyalova, a native of the Republic of Dagestan, turned out to be a bomber who appealed to Wahhabism and joined the militants along with her partner. And with radical ideas, a young woman has already penetrated while studying in the capital. Her companion - Dmitry Sokolov, a Russian by birth, began to attend the mosque, became interested in Wahhabism, is considered a good demolition man.

Goals of the radicals

Islamic radicals operate in Russia almost freely, they have developed structures not only in the North Caucasus, but in Central Russia, Moscow, St. Petersburg, and the Volga region. The semi-underground cells of the Wahhabis, they themselves proudly call themselves Salafi (from the Arabic, “ancestors, predecessors”), are already present in almost all regions of Russia. They are in favor of "pure Islam", the purification of Islam from late innovations, distortions, and a return to basics. Most of them are in favor of creating their own Islamic state. In the middle of the 1990s, fundamentalist micro-states were already created in some villages of Dagestan. They were destroyed by the Russian army. However, later some of them were revived in new places, at the same time the network structures of Islamic radicals were spreading metastases throughout the Federation. Another interesting fact is that if at the beginning of the Chechen war most of the militants adhered to Sufism, which was widespread in Chechnya, then as the fighting continued throughout the entire North Caucasus, the Chechen separatists began to move more often to the Saudi version of Islam. Wahhabism was a more solid ideology for rallying anti-Russian forces, moreover, the Saudis did not spare money, transferring them to supporters of "pure Islam". As a result, the money question greatly contributed to the spread of radical Wahhabism.

In 2000-ies, the center of distribution of radical Islam began to move from the North Caucasus to the Volga region. The social base of this phenomenon is wide. Many young people, including Russians by birth, who consider themselves offended by life, are seeking justice, young migrants, marginal and semi-criminal elements join the ranks of the militants. Russia received an internal threat - the “Syrian scenario.” Radicals have their own websites through which they can coordinate the activities of their supporters in the republics of Tataria, Bashkiria, Chuvashia, Mordovia and Mari El.

The radicals practically do not hide their goals. At the first stage to complete preliminary training. There is recruitment of members, campaigning and the creation of underground and official structures that deal with information support. Caches of weapons, ammunition, ammunition and explosives are created. Young people are trained in camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, fighting in Syria. At the same time, people infected with radical ideas penetrate into power and law enforcement structures, establish contacts with business circles. This stage is almost complete. At the second stage - the injection of a wave of chaos. Terrorist acts aimed at infrastructure facilities, against officials, representatives of traditional Islam, opposing radicals, ordinary people. An atmosphere of fear, hatred is created in the country, a split occurs along the line of Muslim Christians, Russian “black”, and Russian migrants. Radical, nationalist and xenophobic sentiments are growing. They will try to break away from the Russians the Tatars, which have long become an important part of the Russian civilization. If it comes out, it will be easy to separate other peoples from Russia, which have been part of Russian civilization for hundreds of years — Udmurts, Chuvash, Bashkirs, Mari, Komi and others.

Gradually, this stage should turn into a real war according to the “Syrian” or “Yugoslav” scenario. Russia and the other republics of the former USSR want to destroy it from the inside. There will be no fronts in this war. The blow can inflict in any area and village. Radicals view the Russian authorities and the authorities of the neighboring republics as dictators left over from communist times. And all the secular authorities in their understanding of the "devil". The ultimate goal is the Caliphate, of which the fragments of the former USSR should become. On the walls of buildings in Syria, militants from Russia write: “Today is Syria, tomorrow is Russia!” This is a real war, which the majority still cannot see.

The task is to confront "nationalists" with "foreigners" and "aliens" inside the country, and Russia with the Muslim world

A week before the explosion in the Volgograd region in Derbent and Khasavyurt two meetings took place in mosques. Muslims who came to prayer supported the Muslim Brotherhood, which were banned in Russia. After the terrorist attack in Volgograd, an attempt was made to attack a Muslim prayer house. After the situation in Biryulyovo and the hooligan trick in Volgograd, Azerbaijan reacted harshly — criticism of “anti-Muslim” pogroms in Russia began.

Even before the riots took place in Pugachev near Saratov, in the Rostov region and in Stavropol. Here, events evolved according to a long-established program of destruction: visitors (internal or external) kill, maim or terrorize the locals, patience ends and the locals begin to respond. Simultaneously with the riot in Pugachev, in Nizhnekamsk (the third largest city in Tatarstan) and Dagestan Khasavyurt, meetings were held in support of the Syrian opposition, under the slogans: “Russia is killing Islam in Syria!” Obviously, the rally pressure of Islam on Russian society will only increase.

Another dangerous sign is the role of the political activity of migrants in Russia. Thus, the head of the Federation of Migrants of Russia, Muhammad Amin, confirmed to journalists the intention of his organization to hold the March of Migrants on National Unity Day 4 November. Previously, Amin pointed out that the Day of Unity in Russia should be marched by the army or the police, and not nationalists. Thus, representatives of migrants already tell us in Russia what is right and what is not. This is a very frightening precedent. It is necessary to remember, and apparently, to remind both Mr. Amin and his ilk that we are citizens of Russia, but they are not. A citizen of Russia, along with human rights, has civil and political rights, while non-citizens of the Russian Federation in Russia do not have them. Political organizations of migrant workers, we do not need. It is also obvious that people planning to turn migrants from labor and economic power into political power, we are clearly not friends. Amin clearly deserves deportation, since he cannot prohibit Russian citizens from enjoying their rights.

"Russian Caliphate"

Russian officials are still trying to blame everything on everyday problems, not to exaggerate the role of politics, but in reality political Islam has already become a serious player in Russia, and even more so in the post-Soviet space. Thus, according to the Kazan scholar-theologian, head of the Council of Ulems of the All-Russian Muftiat, the author of numerous works on Islamic theology, Mufti Farid Salmanov in Russia already has more than one hundred thousand "ideologically convinced, it is those who can sit at the table and argue convincingly" Wahhabis ( Salafi). About a third of them gradually go underground. This is a whole army. In addition, around each passionary "fighter" there is a certain circle on which he exerts an influence.

Amir of the National Organization of Russian Muslims (NORM) Vadim Sidorov (Harun ar-Russi) is convinced that the Islamic world will go to the caliphate. This is a natural phenomenon, “for Muslims, the Caliphate is fraternal by faith unity and integration. Something like the European Union, but in the Muslim world. ” The sample for Muslims is the Ottoman Empire (the last caliphate), since Ottoman Istanbul united everyone by faith. True, Ar-Russi himself escaped from Russia, and his associates — the leaders of the St. Petersburg branch of NORM, Maxim Baidak (Salman Sever) and Grigory Mavrov (Amir Hamdani al-Maliki), were detained. They considered themselves to be Internet imams and, through the network, calmly processed people for five years, calling on Russians to convert to Islam. At the same time, they placed materials glorifying the bandit Shamil Basayev and the “black widows” who died during the terrorist attacks, as well as the “Russian Muslim Brotherhood” fighting in the mountains of Dagestan. At the same time, among the migrants, they led the preaching of radical doctrines of Wahhabism.

The head of the Privolzhsky Center of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS), Rais Suleymanov, notes that now the new trend recruiters have a new trend. “Increasingly, labor migrants from Central Asia and Kazakhstan are not influenced by Wahhabis at home, but in Russia, where it is easier to propagandize Islamism. After all, no one understands, and does not want to understand. " For example, Farhod Khalikov from Tajikistan, according to the GUS RF IC in St. Petersburg, came to Russia for work, listened to Russian Internet imams from NORM, and, returning home, established the Wahhabi Jamaat Faizabad there.

To be continued ...
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  1. niklev65
    0
    2 November 2013 21: 35
    The fifth PAK FA has already joined the flight test program (sorry, this is off topic...)
    http://military-photos.livejournal.com/278876.html
  2. niklev65
    +2
    2 November 2013 21: 41
    For those interested, here...
    http://military-photos.livejournal.com/278876.html
    1. +1
      2 November 2013 21: 50
      On topic and very, very timely...plus to you!
      1. niklev65
        +1
        2 November 2013 22: 05
        As I understand it, since they are sending it to us in Akhtubinsk, it means this is serious. KapYar, Ashuluk and Glitz - three in one in one bottle...
  3. Novik
    0
    2 November 2013 21: 44
    Quote: Novik
    Then don’t you know that Christianity begins with the coming of Christ, that is, with the Gospel and the New Testament

    Did you come up with this yourself?
    Is the "Old Testament" not part of the Bible?
    And by the way, the Bible must not only be read, but in order to understand it correctly, a confessor is needed.
    I understand, and I don’t even condemn, but like this, “one” and abandon the “Old Testament”, it’s not fresh (they tried it before), but boldly smile
    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
    bullshit preaching ecumenism

    It may be nonsense, but nevertheless it is a whole scientific work, even with an attempt to prove it.
    Is your opinion the official opinion of the “ROC”?
    Or, did you just forget to add something? for example - “IHMO” or something else, but necessarily, in “your personal opinion”?
  4. niklev65
    +2
    2 November 2013 21: 46
    Our answer to the builders of the caliphate... The video is called - it has arrived!

    And it made me smile.
  5. 0
    2 November 2013 22: 02
    Russia will be saved by the Army and the Navy! So gentlemen, dream for now... And your scares are funny..! And I advise you not to anger the Russian bear.. (otherwise we will inadvertently choke and there will be silence.. (God forbid!))..
  6. +2
    2 November 2013 22: 15
    It’s not clear why we should care about all this at all??? Russia is a SECLIC state, whoever doesn’t agree, go to Siberia to clear snow, then deportation.
  7. +1
    2 November 2013 22: 27
    Quote: Babon
    You can cleanse yourself so bloodily that non-title nations will also think, I’m not Russian, and there are 40 million non-Russians in Russia. let's clean it up, try, leave only the Slavs, the border will pass beyond Nizhny Novgorod, and then there will be Mordovia, Chuvashia and the rest.

    Don’t exaggerate..Russia is a multinational country and this is its strength and power..!Those who are against Russia are the enemies! That's all..
  8. 0
    2 November 2013 22: 30
    I think so, Syria will fall behind her, Iran, crowds of bearded will go to the Caucasus, there they are likely to meet with flowers. The Americans will leave Afghanistan leaving the spirits and bases and weapons, the spirits will become bored to go to Tajikistan and further, and all these terrorist cells inside our country will be very noisy with explosions. There will be a War in Russia (both inside the Country and beyond its borders) The West is now doing everything for this! As for the Caucasian fighters, it was necessary in the second Chechen war not to feed them, but to put them in isolation and strict!
    PS Our siloviki cannot soak all these bearded just because we are a civilized country and we have laws, and suddenly something is wrong and other countries are scandalous, and these bastards of extremism have one law dying infidels.
    1. 0
      2 November 2013 22: 42
      So it will be hehe... We have been scared more than once! It’s not worth scratching your tongue on the forums to create a sixth-generation fighter or a hypersonic missile, etc.... That’s the point! As the song says, “We were born to make a fairy tale come true..!”
      But we will do it to harm everyone!
    2. +4
      2 November 2013 23: 53
      Quote: 1 Alexander 1
      I think so, Syria will fall behind her, Iran, crowds of bearded men will go to the Caucasus, where they will most likely be greeted with flowers.


      Bearded people have been in the Caucasus for about 15 years. Despite everything, their number is not decreasing.
      although in 15 years it was possible to end this matter once and for all.

      Quote: 1 Alexander 1
      Our Security Forces cannot kill all these bearded men just because We are a civilized Country and we have laws, and what if something goes wrong in the media and other countries will stir up a scandal, but these Extremist bastards have one law before the infidels.


      Apparently something is not beneficial for someone.

      Well, let’s say they kill all the militants. How can you then rob the budget, sending huge sums to the North Caucasus and get your share? not everything is blissful as it seems to you in this world.
  9. +2
    2 November 2013 22: 34
    Great, guys! What did you want to say? The fact is that all this comes from one source. You understand all of this perfectly well. You need to somehow avert the threat from yourself --- pit the peoples against each other and keep yourself on the sidelines!
  10. +3
    2 November 2013 22: 39
    will save Russia from trouble
    Scientist, Army and Navy!

    Will protect you from hunger
    Peasant, Army and Navy!

    Forges bayonets on the enemy
    Worker, Army and Navy!

    And he’ll wipe everyone’s snot away
    Doctor, Army and Navy with them!

    Everyone's brain will turn as it should
    Professor, Army and Navy!

    And 220 serves
    Electrician, Army and Navy!

    ... we can continue ad infinitum ...

    But he will send everything with three letters
    People - I mean Army and Navy!!!

    MIKHAN, no offense, just a good mood :)))
    1. +1
      2 November 2013 22: 44
      Everything's fine! hehe
  11. +1
    2 November 2013 22: 40
    And gentlemen, moderators, am I out of the loop anymore? Why aren’t you letting me into the discussion?
  12. -1
    2 November 2013 22: 47
    Quote: Den 11
    And gentlemen, moderators, am I out of the loop anymore? Why aren’t you letting me into the discussion?

    Offended? Launch...
  13. +1
    2 November 2013 22: 57
    When you are ready to burn out someone else’s property with fire and sword, call.
  14. +1
    2 November 2013 23: 05
    "Right now, everyone will be happy with me at once, and whoever doesn’t will, I’ll bend him into a ram’s horn, grind him into powder and throw him to the sharks!"
    Barmaley.
  15. Novik
    0
    2 November 2013 23: 09
    I keep thinking...
    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
    then don’t you know that Christianity begins with the coming of Christ, that is, with the Gospel

    -

    The Baptism of the Lord is an event in gospel history, the Baptism of Jesus Christ in the Jordan River by John the Baptist, as well as a Christian holiday established in honor of this event. During the Baptism, according to the Gospels, the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus in the form of a dove. At the same time, a Voice from Heaven declared: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

    According to the Gospel story, Jesus Christ (at the age of 1 - Luke 28:30) came to John the Baptist, who was near the Jordan River in Bethabara (John 3:23), with the goal of being baptized.

    A strange “picture” (I almost blurted out “heresy”, but who am I to judge such things, what is heresy and what is not) turns out...what
    For some reason I remembered "Where the Motherland Begins..."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXwUPXY9eaY
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  17. 0
    3 November 2013 00: 35
    Decades of degradation of Soviet ideology and the complete absence of state ideology in the Russian Federation are beginning to bear their poisonous fruits.


    “Degradation”, “absence”, etc. We were talking too much about the Caucasus. On our ENTIRE Russian territory, maintain the strictest supervision over all those arriving “from there.” Just like in “royal” times. With the gendarmes, every arrival was registered with a card! And the gendarme was specifically responsible for his ward.
  18. 0
    3 November 2013 00: 36
    Decades of degradation of Soviet ideology and the complete absence of state ideology in the Russian Federation are beginning to bear their poisonous fruits.


    “Degradation”, “absence”, etc. We were talking too much about the Caucasus. On our ENTIRE Russian territory, maintain the strictest supervision over all those arriving “from there.” Just like in “royal” times. With the gendarmes, every arrival was registered with a card! And the gendarme was specifically responsible for his ward.
  19. Novik
    0
    3 November 2013 01: 43
    Quote: Yarosvet
    And the devil is:

    I once came across a closed forum of Satanists (like the real ones), they were so offended when they considered the devil to be Satan, and Satan to be the devil, supposedly these are different entities...
    request
    There are many different and contradictory opinions.
    Of course, experts will answer this better.
    According to Judaism, Satan is not a force equal to God. Satan is an accusing angel who serves the Almighty in this capacity and, like all angels, has no free will. The Creator allows Satan to act in the world so that man has a choice between good and evil.

    In the Christian tradition, the prophecy of Ezekiel about the king of Tire (Ezekiel 28:12-19) and Isaiah about the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:3-20) are attributed to Satan. According to this interpretation, he was created by an angel in the rank of cherub; he was “the seal of perfection, the fullness of wisdom and the crown of beauty” and lived in Eden among the “fiery stones,” but having become proud (Ezek. 28:17) and desiring to be equal with God (Is. 14:13-14), he was cast down to the earth , becoming after the fall the “prince of darkness”, the father of lies, a murderer (John 8:44) - the leader of the rebellion against God. From the prophecy of Isaiah (Is. 14:12) the “angelic” name of Satan is taken - הילל, translated as “Lightbringer”, lat. Lucifer).

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%E0%F2%E0%ED%E0
    There are many options for understanding what Satan or the Devil is. You can find a variant of any curvature. Most of them are concocted with the aim of slandering them, making them look as unsightly as possible, in order to frighten the crowds with them. But these concepts, oddly enough, also find their embodiments. We have already talked many times about who inspired such a phenomenon as devil worship, that it is an internal (illegitimate), but native child of Christianity (if we remain within the framework of European culture, and in the general case - “light” religions).

    http://warrax.net/48/withoutfear.html
    Satanism cannot be considered a religion in the usual sense of the word...
    The emergence of Satanism as an independent cult became possible only as a result of a change in the understanding of the image of Satan.
    The first Christians adhered to the biblical doctrine of the devil. But after the official adoption of Christianity, many pagans came to the Church, who, although they accepted Christianity outwardly, continued to believe in the power of pagan deities, i.e. those deities who personified the kingdom of the devil in Christianity. Thus, the understanding of the essence of Satan began to change. From a symbol of deception, harmfulness and powerlessness, Satan turned into a powerful enemy of God.

    http://www.razlib.ru/filosofija/princeps_omnium/p12.php
    1. EdwardTich68
      +1
      3 November 2013 02: 58
      Looking into the abyss, know that the abyss is also looking into you.
    2. Yarosvet
      +1
      3 November 2013 13: 49
      Quote: Novik
      I once came across a closed forum of Satanists (like the real ones), they were so offended when they considered the devil to be Satan, and Satan to be the devil, supposedly these are different entities...
      At the same time, they did not have the intelligence to look for evidence of the essence of these entities laughing

      By the way, in the Christian tradition, as well as in the Jewish tradition, angels do not have free will, that is, a contradiction arises between the lack of free will and the rebellion of Satan.
      1. Monk in the world
        0
        3 November 2013 23: 53
        Uv. Yarosvet. Where in the “Christian tradition” is this said? Have you even read a couple of pages of the Bible? Didn’t the fallen angel Dennitsa, aka Satanail, aka the devil, have free will when he rejected the Lord? Arch. Didn’t Michael declare war on him of his own free will? Please don't make up nonsense. In the Bible, angels, especially in the Old Testament, help people of their own free will, but with the knowledge of the Lord. They are perfect creatures, as humans were meant to be, and therefore their will does not contradict the will of God.
        1. Novik
          0
          7 December 2013 01: 36
          Quote: Monk in the world
          Uv. Yarosvet. Where in the “Christian tradition” is this said? Have you even read a couple of pages of the Bible? Didn’t the fallen angel Dennitsa, aka Satanail, aka the devil, have free will when he rejected the Lord? Arch. Didn’t Michael declare war on him of his own free will? Please don't make up nonsense. In the Bible, angels, especially in the Old Testament, help people of their own free will, but with the knowledge of the Lord. They are perfect creatures, as humans were meant to be, and therefore their will does not contradict the will of God.

          I looked in and read it.
          Questions have arisen.
          In my opinion, Yarosvet is right.
          Where can I read a clear definition of "angels"?
          For example, I heard this: -angels-thoughts-messengers (like carrier pigeons, I apologize for such a comparison) of God.
          - freedom of thought?
          Lucifer - the first and right hand (thought) of God - suddenly became an enemy?

          The first Bible was written ~300 years after the crucifixion of Christ.
          And I even read that, for example, the Bible was not written by those who were the Apostles of Christ.
          Now let's return to the question: Why were only 4 Gospels included in the Bible, although there were 12 apostles?
          4 out of 12? :)

          http://www.cogmtl.net/Qa/q114.htm
          WHO WROTE THE BIBLE?
          http://nauka.bible.com.ua/kpb/kpb3.htm
          etc.
          If you search, you can even find that the Bible was written and rewritten by people who had nothing at all to do with the “12 pillars” and the teachings of Jesus Christ...
          Guy Yuliy Orlovsky (Nikitin?) also has interesting thoughts on this matter.
          When God created this World as it is, “he began to do other things”...
          - and in the struggle for power, two factions grappled (who equally dislike (?) people, because God breathed into Man his Divine spark and freedom of choice) - “Archangel Lucifer” (for example Zhirinovsky) and “Archangel Michael” ( for example Zyuganov)...

          Maybe we read different Bibles?
          The question is understanding what we are reading...
          For example, do you have a “Confessor”? Do you personally receive Communion?
  20. EdwardTich68
    0
    3 November 2013 02: 51
    This is a completely solvable issue; you just need a little bit of political will. bully
  21. 0
    3 November 2013 05: 46
    With a hot iron and nothing else!!!
  22. Kostya pedestrian
    -1
    3 November 2013 07: 25
    What caliphate? The same Chechens can already be included in the Red Book. How they skillfully “forced” us to shoot at each other, and even with brutality. And Chechens must know the criminal code and understand what F-art is, and what an attempt on children and women is, with all that it entails. What kind of spirit would want to exchange the mountainous Motherland for the mountains of Venus?

    And the nightingale whistled in the distance, the cops sounded a siren,
    But in vain the cop’s swearing was torn, -
    Our Lyokha was already far away, he laughed dashingly and lightly,
    Like a free wind he remained free!

    Greetings from sunken Bulgaria!

    Soon we will all be under the Turkish and Japanese forces from across the Tatar Strait, unless of course they exterminate us as Hitler and others planned in the 40s. Let the devils decide fate? It’s better to let an angel put a cross on them, even though I’m not a religious person, but as a Tatar I sincerely respect the faith of others, and I myself believe in angels and demons.

    I personally am surprised that they didn’t stick a yellow Vietnamese star on me and hit me in the ass with a forged boot. Oh... I forgot Beyonce Knowles refused a visit to our sunny Australia, did the old lady get cold feet from the Viet Cong to buy a soldier from a cage, or did someone find a diamond?

    But seriously, study the video “demonstration of the Dzerzhinsky monument”, which is credited with the creation of the USSR PV, and the first shots of “Armor of God”, where Jackie Chan in a Mitsubishi with fog lights on the hump of an SUV exchanges diamonds from the natives for canned beer. Is this really what we are?

    But this gap seems to have already been noticed. But I wonder if the Japanese or Germans do not practice the ancient Tatar custom of stealing children, mothers or loved ones from royal or political figures, so that they can then get out of the country, then twist ropes, like the Japanese do noodles for the Guinness Record?

    PiS: And how much are the red soldiers on the audions now?
  23. +3
    3 November 2013 07: 26
    There was such a half-life - the 90s. Somehow I had to be present at a dialogue between two “caliphates”. An ethnic Kazakh told an ethnic Tatar - Get out of our land... Both are Muslims. Yes, also - and what caliphate will unite the Tatars with the Bashkirs? Only non-humans can make the “Caliphate” united. Having no nationality, and there are few of them, even though they shout about them loudly.
  24. FormerMariman
    +3
    3 November 2013 12: 12
    What is the essence of Wahhabism? Who knows!? How do you understand the concept of "strength or degree of faith" in the heart of a believer? So Wahhabism is a stronger (more fanatical or something) degree of belief, which means, as they believe, it is also purer! Hence the desire to create a caliphate!
    If it is not possible to fight Wahhabism from a position of strength, then cunning is needed.
    We need trained mullahs and imams, we need literature for free sale, videos in Russian and non-Russian about the power of faith in the heart of a believer in the desire to create, teach, and help the weak! Only a concept of combating “religious fanaticism” jointly developed by the state and traditional Islam will be beneficial. In short, respond to agitation with public counter-agitation in the media and bookstores on sale, not to mention mosques and madrassas!
    But militant Islamophobes only bring harm. One step forward, two steps back.
  25. +2
    3 November 2013 13: 35
    Quote: andruha70
    Endless feuds in these parts, a very good option. It’s just what they’ll find, they’ll cut each other, instead of fixing chaos on the streets of Russian cities.
    excuse me ............. if you talk like that fool first, they will cut each other, then several million Russian speakers living in Central Asia ... and then they will trample on Russia. but the solution to the problem is very simple. create enterprises, joint production, agricultural holdings in the territory of the CA. firstly: cheap labor (a salary of $ 300 in the SA is equivalent to $ 1000 in Russia. If Central Asia receives $ 300, then he won't even think about a trip to Russia) secondly : why the heck you "chemical" Polish, Portuguese, Argentinean "tomatoes and cucumbers" for euros and dollars, when (with a skillful approach) all these-NATURAL products can provide Central Asia. in the third: for everything produced, you will not have to pay in euros and dollars, but only in rubles, and this is a plus for the Russian currency. and I assure you, all the migrant workers, pull back, and moreover, some Russians will also come ... in vain, perhaps, under Soviet rule, the population of Central Asian cities was 60-80% Russian-speaking nationalities. for "special "minusovalschikov I explain - how do you want? Russia-EMPIRE-was, is, and will be! means, and "habits" should be IMPERIAL!

    It is necessary to bring their domestic currency and our ruble into line in terms of purchasing power, and it may turn out that the ruble is much cheaper than their currency, then you and I will no longer see a single Tajik, but for now they are eating our bread! I will say more, the situation with the black-assed people is starting to get out of control, here is a vivid example: our enterprise, which occupied 5th place in the region as a producer of agricultural products, as a result of the reorganization, settled in the hands of the Azeris, there is practically no work, the average salary for men is 12, for women 000. Their boss said that whoever doesn’t like it, we won’t keep anyone, I’ll bring Tajiks and they will work. Another problem is that Azerbaijanis don’t know how not to get fucked + ours won’t have work, the result won’t take long. I personally have the impression that our government is doing everything to wake up the bear, I wonder where you will run and then they will rip everyone’s heads off and who you are and who turned a blind eye.
  26. stroporez
    +5
    3 November 2013 13: 38
    I read the article, read the comments, and suddenly I remembered: "... people are capable of fighting for the sake of faith, killing for faith, robbing for faith... but none of them are able to LIVE according to faith........"
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  28. +1
    3 November 2013 15: 43
    The problem that this article refers to - information from the DSP, from official sources no one in the nearest historical period of time will admit to the real state of affairs, will identify the perpetrators and will not offer a solution. We, ordinary citizens, can only guess, based on an analysis of the situation, which was allowed to be voiced through the media, and based on the data obtained when communicating with people like Us - who reasonably assume that everything is not as good as through official channels, but do NOT have real data. Everything is as always - will collect data bit by bit
  29. 0
    3 November 2013 16: 33
    Quote: Mitek
    We are now in an era of non-professionals. At the top are those who can lick better, not those who are competent. As a result, they carry the hair of the prophets, rockets fall, and migration (and the main problem is internal migration). A lot of other negative things are happening that seem unrelated to each other, but the root is the same - non-professionals are at the helm.


    Very true! :)
  30. 0
    3 November 2013 19: 51
    Quote: stroporez
    I read the article, read the comments, and suddenly I remembered: "... people are capable of fighting for the sake of faith, killing for faith, robbing for faith... but none of them are able to LIVE according to faith........"

    Well written..!
  31. kaktus
    0
    3 November 2013 20: 02
    Too many comments are off topic for the site. stop The problem of extremism is thereby removed from the discussion. But one should not succumb to provocations - Russian citizens should live together and amicably (remember
    a parable about how they broke a broom) IMHO hi
  32. 0
    3 November 2013 20: 14
    Islam is a religion of peace. Radical Islam is very developed in countries where Muslims are greatly offended. In Russia we are Muslims and we are Christian brothers. We respect each other. So why do buses explode?...
    1. Monk in the world
      +3
      4 November 2013 00: 22
      Warrior of Christ and Allah
      Probably because 99% of all terrorists are Muslims. Probably because the Koran says death to the infidels and eternal damnation. For example, I have one devout Muslim acquaintance - a Turk, quite decent, not a radical, quiet, peaceful, he has had a family in Kyiv for 10 years, and two children. When they talked to him about the events in Volgograd, this quiet and peaceful Muslim openly told him that terrorists are fools - that’s not the way to go, they should have been in the metro, where there are more people, and that in 25 years there will be a khan for the entire CIS, there will be emirates, they say, Islam or death . Pay attention to the biographies of today's terrorists - family, children, higher education, good job - isn't it among these people that suicide bombers are recruited? Don't they remember the verses of the Koran before pulling the cord of a landmine detonator in a crowd? A very peaceful religion. There are many people professing Christianity in the Middle East. There are Copts, Christian Palestinians, Christian Turks and even Iraqis. NONE OF THEM COMMITS TERROR ATTACKS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. Even radicals. But among devout Muslims, dying “for Allah” by blowing up a car with oneself near a school filled with children is the highest honor. His family will be proud of him. He will become a martyr of the faith. If followers of one faith commit murders and kidnappings of women and children, arson and terrorist attacks, in the name of the Prophet and his disciples, this cannot in any way be called a religion of peace.
      1. +1
        4 November 2013 00: 41
        But among devout Muslims, dying “for Allah” by blowing up a car with oneself near a school filled with children is the highest honor. His family will be proud of him. He will become a martyr of the faith.


        There is such an island, Russian. This is like an outpost in Vladivostok. So, there, in Soviet times, there was, as far as I remember, an observation post for submarines and steamships. And, in general, there was one conscript soldier sitting there, immediately after the KMB he ended up there. And this young guy had to always act STRICTLY according to the instructions. So, it so happened that, as far as I remember, in the 80s, a Japanese submarine ran aground, and American ships entered our territorial waters. This guy, I repeat, a simple sailor, after training, acted strictly according to instructions - he reported on the precedent, took and sent telemetry and pressed two buttons that initiated two explosive devices - on the equipment console and under his chair. The man was processed for six months, so much so that he even committed suicide on complete autopilot. The technologies were developed a very long time ago, by the Old Man of the Mountain, it seems. Yes, these technologies existed before him...

        You, understand one thing, what you are trying to call “WAY OF LIFE, Muslims”, this is a technology applied to those who are open to such technology. Technologies for inciting war between everyone and everyone. At first, these ones, with their brains gutted, do what they do. Then people like you turn on, also with gutted brains. And all the work - the result is achieved.

        I’m not addressing you, just everyone who knows how to think - think...

        Like that...
        1. Monk in the world
          +1
          4 November 2013 00: 51
          Excuse me, but who is the “Old Man of the Mountain”? Is this someone's title? And what does a conscript soldier have to do with it? This is more like a story that is told to new cadets in training. What other technologies are you talking about? That Turk Hasan, about whom I wrote, about his opinion about the events in Volgograd, without any technology, told how to carry out a terrorist attack. What has my brain been gutted by? Because I call a spade a spade?
          1. +1
            4 November 2013 01: 26
            Excuse me, but who is the “Old Man of the Mountain”? Is this someone's title? And what does a conscript soldier have to do with it? This is more like a story that is told to new cadets in training. What other technologies are you talking about? That Turk Hasan, about whom I wrote, about his opinion about the events in Volgograd, without any technology, told how to carry out a terrorist attack. What has my brain been gutted by? Because I call a spade a spade?


            =Smiled=. Great. You have intelligence and thank God. I'll try in order. That’s why I quoted your post in full.

            “The Old Man from the Mountain”, as far as I remember, is Hasan ibn Sabbah = I now remember his name offhand, I could have been mistaken, but in my opinion - no =, the founder of the Ismaili sect - the basis of this sect was Shiism. I won’t talk much about him now, just bring up the data about him and his connections with the same Templars and his methods of creating “hashishins” = in Western transcription - “assassins” = from people. “The tale about new cadets” will be clear after you refresh your memory with the “tales about assassins.”

            “Turk Hasan,” whom you cited as an example, belongs to the category of adherents, and there are up to 5-7 percent of those in any movement, community, congregation, which in essence is any религия for whom the main thing is not internal content and philosophy community, And his external manifestation. Such people can be classified as the “fan” psychotype. In his head it’s like in a football match - “Spartak is the champion, CSKA - get out!” Well... approximately, don't be offended, fans. And so, 5-7 percent. According to various estimates, there are followers of Islam in the world from 1.2 to 1.8 billion people. 5-7 percent of them are almost 100 million, approximately. Such a good... army, frills. Okay, let's leave it at that for now.

            According to various estimates, there are approximately the same number of followers of Christianity. And the percentages are approximately the same. And there are just as many “fans” among them. It’s just that these “fans” are less promoted than the “fans” of the other “team”. And they also kill, cut, beat to death - watch video examples in other discussion threads.

            So that’s why I’m telling you “to your face” = naturally, given that we are talking in absentia, via the Internet = I’m saying that your brains have been gutted - only because your words are directed into the minds of those same “fans”. You shas their “warm up”, any normal person will look at you, read your words, and twirl his finger at his temple.

            You can quote from the Bible, you can give “true” =really true= examples, but it won’t change anything. You serve the devil, with your own words. I already noted this earlier...

            Like that...
            1. Monk in the world
              +2
              4 November 2013 01: 52
              Hmm...I see what I see. A person who kills is a murderer, a person who robs is a bandit. If those shouting “Allahu Akbar” kill, blow up and bomb, they are terrorists and murderers. And those who sympathize with them are servants of the devil, just like themselves. There is no middle ground here, there is black and there is white. I’m not warming anyone up and I’m not calling for anything, but I’m expressing MY PERSONAL OPINION and no one is obliged to agree with it.. Twist your finger to your temple)) You can only twist your finger to your temple by reading your fairy tales about zombie cadets blowing themselves up at duty. Have you even served in military service? According to your comparison about fans as followers of religions... Hmm, I just find it difficult to answer anything here.. Will you forgive me for graduating? Regarding the ministry of the devil, do you know what it is and how it is expressed? Well, so be it, it’s not for me to judge this, but are you sure that you yourself are not indulging him?
              1. 0
                4 November 2013 02: 06
                I express MY PERSONAL OPINION and no one is obliged to agree with it..


                Wow... in one medieval University, a student, who was "rotted" by a professor of sophistry, began to fly to him every night in a suit embroidered with sophistry... *)) ghee... that means we indulge in sophistry - nu, nu... *) ))

                When a person expresses a personal opinion, for example, I’m so used to some event, I personally think 5-6 times, “Who can I offend with my words?” And only then, having weighed it, I speak out... *) This is called an elementary sense of tact. At the same time, I'm talking about personalities, note. You are expressing your personal opinion about whole communities of people. Well... we will consider this a difference in our mental structure... *)))

                If those shouting "Allahu Akbar" kill, blow up and bomb - they are terrorists and murderers


                Didn't I agree with you? Show me where exactly I did this? You simply went further in your reasoning and called them Muslims. I tried to explain to you allegorically that this is not so... *) Moreover, you put an equal sign between these u-b-l-u-d-k-a-m-i and all Muslims. So, stop the sophistical dodges.

                Alas and ah... I am ready to understand a person who seeks and seeks sacral meaning in religion. But I’m not ready to understand the head of the fan club who is trying to invest sacral meaning in empty chants, first of all - your own... *)) this is nothing more than pride, one of the seven signs of possession by the devil... *)
              2. FormerMariman
                +1
                4 November 2013 12: 08
                This means that any criminal pedophile who has a cross on his neck or body will be called a Christian! The problem is that you see what you want to see. And your vision is far from the facts.
      2. FormerMariman
        +1
        4 November 2013 12: 04
        Have you forgotten the Crusades? To know who you despise, read the Koran (any civilized person must read three things in life: Scripture, the Bible and the Koran), don’t be afraid, he doesn’t bite, I read a lot of translations in Krachkovskovsky’s translation. When you read it, write to me!
        1. Monk in the world
          0
          4 November 2013 12: 43
          You know, the Crusades are probably one of the most mediocre arguments. What about the Turks’ campaigns against Rus'? What about the ongoing wars in the Middle East from the 9th to the 19th centuries? Then they probably also fought over oil? And what do we have to do with the crusades? They never existed in Rus'. Our radical believers did not fight with swords and armies, but taking the schema, on their knees and with rosaries. Are you at least a little familiar with your own history? Read the periods from at least Alexander Nevsky. "Any civilized person should read the Koran?..." To whom do I owe it? Should he do namaz too? Tell me, how does “Scripture” differ from the Bible and vice versa? I read the Koran back when you were still in school, one of my final coursework was on the topic of culture of the pre-Islamic and post-Islamic periods.
          1. 0
            4 November 2013 14: 59
            I read the Koran back when you were still in school, one of my final coursework was on the topic of culture of the pre-Islamic and post-Islamic periods.


            Is this your only argument? Okay - I was working on Artificial Intelligence systems at the moment when you were trying to understand the cultures of the pre-Islamic period. Then he studied the intricacies of the behavior of cellular communities during viral infections. At the same time, I’m not trying to show off the fact that you, dear one, cannot distinguish the OR (operator-regulator) and ASTA (active system with time average) systems from each other. But, still, as a normally educated person, I have ideas about such little-known religious symbols as, for example, the filioque.

            Those who are trying to discuss with you read your posts carefully and try to point out your omissions - most importantly, calmly. You, dear, are ready to break into hysterics at any moment, leading only the argument is “I am a theologian, with two higher educations,” without even trying to understand the essence of what they are telling you. This business? For me personally, it seems like it’s already the second day that I’m having a discussion with an institute from Smolny, circa 1915, who, with her eyes bulging, was faced with the harsh reality of war and was just about ready to faint. And at the same time, her argumentation is only at the level of emotions - “I all =emphasis is placed on this= I saw it myself, and therefore this is the only possible truth. And in general, I’m a woman, and all of you around are uncouth louts who don’t even have an idea of ​​good manners!”

            Like that...
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    1. +1
      4 November 2013 03: 56
      I have two higher educations - pedagogical and theological, in March I will defend my PhD, I am 47 years old, and you allow yourself to insult a person older than you??


      I have one higher education, and you are not much older than me to look at you so directly as a gray-bearded, wise old man. War... 2 years in Tajikistan, during their Civil War, is that enough for you? I also saw something... and came across the behavior of people on the war =and she, the dog, greatly cripples and changes the psyche of all its participants - voluntary and involuntary=. Regarding what I wrote to you, where did you see the insult? I’m just trying to explain to you that you are driven by pride. She doesn’t allow you to look at the world as it is, and your ill-conceived words add disharmony to it.

      It is your right to take the pose of being offended and offended. And my right, and even duty, is to point out to you that your two higher educations did not add wisdom to you, but only aggravated your parochial limitations... =shrug=... I also wish you peace in your soul, and not attempts divide humanity according to one criterion known to you...

      Like that...
  34. 0
    4 November 2013 03: 34
    Of course there is a problem. And there is no escape from it. Because we are a multinational state. Only here we count. that all nations behave the same and the approach to them should be the same. And this is fundamentally wrong. The same Chechens. They do what they want, their relatives buy them off in any case. There is no need to close them. It is necessary to publicly shame the elders of the teip from which the criminal came. They will cut off his head themselves. Terrorists generally need to be taken outside the legal framework, just like their relatives. In fact, this has already begun, a law on compensation for family members of terrorists. Even more stringent is the absence of criminal penalties for murder and violence against family members of terrorists.
  35. +1
    4 November 2013 11: 10
    It is only the Russians and their RNE that can be clamped down. Almost fascists. This is how we create a party in OUR country and don’t interfere with other republics. When will new Pugachevs and Razins appear? Since the government does not worry about the people, the people will have to worry about themselves.
  36. Boot under the carpet
    +1
    4 November 2013 11: 16
    Quote: Novik
    Quote: Boot under the carpet
    You can of course blame me for everything, but I’ll say ... All of this as a whole is a quiet plan for the destruction of the Russian nation and Russia as an integral state.

    Maybe there is a plan, but what prevents us, Russians, hoping for God, not to make mistakes ourselves, to “multiply” (the word is certainly not the best one, but what it is) and to be one whole.
    And this is the main problem. Every year there are fewer and fewer Russians, and not only are there fewer, they are still scattered, not "chained" by ideology (or, for example, religion - almost all are atheists ... "Only when you come to die, you bogies, will you wheeze, scratching the edge of the mattress, the lines from Alexander, and not the nonsense of Taras "(c).laughing )
    Why give birth to another baby, when this season it’s fashionable to relax in
    Spain, Thailand, you need to buy a new car.
    We ourselves are to blame, we lost reference points, we weigh in the void.
    I was taught - "no one will ever have more power over us than we ourselves allow" (c).
    And no "wickedness", until we ourselves succumb to temptations, has no power over us, and even without our invitation, will not enter the house.


    I completely agree with you! Now values ​​have turned upside down, young people look at those who are richer, those with a cottage, a car and permanent vacation vouchers in their hands. Well, the children, as they say, come later. People from the Caucasus don’t think like that, and this is where the result comes from.
  37. Stonewall
    0
    4 November 2013 12: 33
    Of course, there will be no caliphate in Russia. But these devils will undoubtedly cause problems. If measures are not taken, it will definitely explode.
  38. Director
    0
    4 November 2013 17: 06
    The title of the article speaks of the possible emergence of a new trend, in which radical forms of Islam will become widespread among the Russian population of the country. Theoretically, I admit such a possibility as a manifestation of protest against social injustice, but in reality I have not yet observed such facts.
  39. 0
    4 November 2013 18: 46
    I have not read the Koran, only excerpts came across in different places.
    But here’s what I noticed - everything seems to be written there very correctly, that lying is a sin, that bad words addressed to someone who is absent are a sin, etc. Everything is fine, with one exception: the object of application, let’s say, was always clearly indicated: a Muslim. Never was - man. And the phrases were always constructed in such a way that there was a contrast: a Muslim is not a Muslim.
    Those. I got the impression that this somehow even programmed the one who read: if he is not a Muslim, then he should even do the opposite, for example, deceive, and then it would already become a good thing!
  40. copper49
    +1
    4 November 2013 19: 17
    I live in Kazakhstan. Here the Wahhabis turned out to be true, 70 percent of the population are Muslims. There are countless poor people in the villages, a breeding ground. There was a series of terrorist attacks. However, they bent everyone down, with Muslim hands. The KNB, although weak compared to the Russian FSB. They shot, transplanted, and pinned down the loudmouths. It's quiet now. As I understand it, order has been roughly restored in Uzbekistan. So anything is possible, just don’t chew snot, but press on all fronts and without mercy.
  41. -1
    4 November 2013 20: 03
    On the topic of interreligious relations
  42. 0
    4 November 2013 20: 04
    Quote: Babon
    How many territories of the Russian Federation are occupied by republics and national districts?

    And in most republics, Russians make up the bulk of the population. For example, in Karelia the percentage of Russians is higher than the average in Russia. And in the Khanty-Mansiysk Okrug there are not even half a percent of “title” ones.
  43. 0
    5 November 2013 10: 26
    Quote: Warrawar
    Yes, exactly, in the Koran everything is for "peace"
    Quotes from the Qur'an:

    - 9:29
    "Fight with those who do not believe in Allah ...".


    The verses of the Koran came according to a specific situation. The Sahaba (apostles in Christian) came, may the Almighty be pleased with them, to the Prophet (i.e. and b.), they said this, they say, and so. He asks “what, where, and who,” they answer there and there. At this moment, a revelation occurs, an verse descends from the Almighty. Accordingly, only this last remark of the entire conversation ends up in the Koran. And this remark in the text of the Koran may be followed by a verse about a completely different situation. Therefore, you cannot read the Koran (especially the translation, especially a bad one) and start interpreting what you read purely logically, it will turn out to be nonsense. Sharia law quite naturally prohibits interpreting the Koran without having the appropriate academic degree. Even an unprepared person is prohibited from accessing interpretations of the Koran.
    So, the above warlike verses descended during a war, defensive by the way, or even right before a battle, and in no case call for the extermination of infidels in peacetime.

    Do you know who was the most popular publicist during the Great Patriotic War? That's right, Ilya Ehrenburg. In partisan detachments, it was forbidden to use newspaper clippings with official “releases” (I can’t remember the normal name) of the Central Committee and articles by Ehrenburg for rolling papers. What did Ehrenburg write? "Kill the German!" large headline. Was that right? Of course. There was a war going on, that same one. Would it be normal to publish such articles in Pravda after the war? No, again, of course. Therefore, after the war, Stalin lost Ehrenburg into obscurity, taking into account his Menshevik past. And during the war, his articles were needed like air. The same is true with the military verses of the Koran.
  44. 0
    5 November 2013 12: 57
    My mother was traveling in a minibus (in Central Russia) and asked why they didn’t stop to pick up pensioners. The driver was Asian. The meaning of the conversation was that the Asian said that “You whites (Central Russia) don’t have much left... Karan ordered you to get rid of all of you. And here we will live.” It's a pity I wasn't there...
    And this is not yet a radical Islamist.
  45. 0
    5 November 2013 16: 07
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Do you know at least one prophecy of Abraham?


    A prophet in religion is not a person issuing prophecies, but a messenger of the Almighty.
  46. +1
    5 November 2013 16: 25
    Quote: duke
    Allah, about whom there is no mention in the Bible


    Such references were successfully removed from the Bible when they collected 300 versions of the Bible and left only 4 versions, or even earlier, when they just imported Christianity into Europe, shamelessly distorting it, erasing from the history of the Apostle James, the brother of Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him. In original Christianity, Isa is the same prophet as Moses and Abraham, in no way the son of God, and in no case is God himself, forgive me, Lord. Both wine and pork are prohibited. That is, original Christianity is as similar to Judaism and Islam as these religions are to each other. Facts from the BBC film, by the way. The lead in the film is a practicing Christian who believes in the tenets of modern Christianity, but recognizes the original conspiracy as an unambiguous fact.
  47. Crrusader40
    0
    5 November 2013 23: 25
    About ideology.
    In my opinion, the best idea for Russia would be “Russia as a superpower”:
    1) not so utopian, especially since we were once it
    2) a real opportunity to improve Russia’s domestic and foreign policy
  48. prophetic
    0
    6 November 2013 11: 37
    You can whine about difficulties in our country as much as you like, but this is useless, because so far in Russia there will be no sense indifferent to its fate.
  49. vovanrusich
    0
    6 November 2013 21: 06
    I’ll be brief: THERE IS NO RUSSIAN CALIPHATE, NOBODY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE RASSIONS OF ALARMISTS
  50. Novik
    0
    7 December 2013 01: 56
    It is sad to think about torture and blood in the name of Christ.
    Such reflections give rise to an inevitable question: if we put the good on one side of the scale and the evil generated by Christianity on the other, which one will outweigh?
    It is truly very rare for people to follow the simple teachings of Jesus Christ. This creed seemed too simple to people who loved wealth and especially power. How can one achieve power by following Christian teaching? What temporary glory could these men achieve by renouncing worldly goods in order to preach the simple doctrine of "Love one another"?
    Was it possible with such a life to gain splendor, magnificent rituals, considerable income, luxurious residences?
    However, all these were signs of power needed to create a hypnotic state when people please themselves, pretending to please God.

    http://www.psygorodok.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=483
  51. Novik
    0
    7 December 2013 02: 29
    When the heretics were "finally finished", the persecution of witches continued.
    Nowhere is the obscurantism of the inquisitors did not manifest itself with such force as in the “witch” trials.
    Two Dominicans, Jacob Sprenger and Henry Institor, received from Pope Innocent VIII the bull "summis desiderantes", giving them the authority to persecute and eradicate witches.
    The last of this pair became famous in his time for hiring a woman who hid in the oven and, at the key moment of the interrogation of the witch, gave her voice, impersonating the devil, thus slandering many innocent defendants.
    For this and similar tricks, the Bishop of Blixen expelled Heinrich Institoris from his region, however, after, in collaboration with Sprenger, Institoris wrote a manual on recognizing, exposing and punishing witches and sorcerers called “The Hammer of Witches”, after which, however, The fame of a man of unusually honest, wise and knowledgeable in demonology was established.
    "The Hammer of the Witches" was published in 1486, became a real bestseller, having gone through no less than thirteen reprints by 1520, and was translated into French, English and Italian.
    Still one of the most terrible works of human thought, this work was not without reason called “the perfect weapon of legal murder.”


    Inquisitors were endowed with unlimited rights. No one except the pope could excommunicate them from the church for crimes in their service, and even the papal legate did not dare to remove them, even temporarily, from office without special permission from the papal throne. According to canon law, anyone who interfered with the work of the inquisitor or incited others to do so was threatened with excommunication.

    ...
    The exact number of people exterminated by the Inquisition in Europe and in the colonies of European countries is unknown, but a number of several hundred thousand can be assumed. As an example, let us give the calculations given by the Spanish historian Juan Antonio Llorente in the book “History of the Spanish Inquisition” for Spain in the years 1540-1700. Llorente's calculations represent a lower estimate:

    http://www.psygorodok.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=483
  52. Novik
    0
    7 December 2013 02: 48
    According to his calculations, it turns out that approximately 31 people were burned in Spain, excluding its colonies.
    We still have to multiply this 31 thousand by Llorente’s “modesty”.
    To this we must add a proportionate number of those who died under torture.
    So the number of 50 killed in Spain would not be an understatement.
    To estimate the total number of victims of the Inquisition in Europe, we must also add the Spanish colonies, and then remember Germany, France, Flanders, etc. And then the count goes into the hundreds of thousands:
    To count the number of victims of the Inquisition is to establish materially one of the most powerful and most effective causes of the decline in the population of Spain. In fact, if to the several million inhabitants whom the inquisitorial system removed from the kingdom through the wholesale expulsion of Jews, conquered Moors and baptized Moriscos, we add about half a million families completely destroyed by the executions of the holy tribunal, then the indisputable conclusion will follow that without the existence of this tribunal and the influence of his principles in Spain there would be twelve million more people compared to the present population, which is estimated at eleven million.

    Let me note that in these “studies” we are talking only about the “Spanish Inquisition”.
    The number of victims of the “Protestant Inquisition” is especially kept silent “in the West.”
    If the Catholic Inquisition accounts for only some, “several tens of thousands of victims,” then, according to S.G. According to Kara-Murza, the “Protestant Inquisition” burned about a million “witches”.
    In “little” Holland alone, about 100 thousand “witches” were burned.
    The mass executions of Anabaptists in the XNUMXth century and the burning of Servetus and his associates in Geneva are also the most famous acts of the Protestant Inquisition.
    The victims of the Inquisition traditionally do not include, for example, Jews and Gypsies.
    It is possible that the total number of victims of the Inquisition ranges from 44.000 ("recognized" by the Catholic Church) to 12.000.000

    http://www.psygorodok.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=483
    `12 million people, excluding наших, pagans and Old Believers...
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    7 December 2013 03: 21
    I liked the song despite everything...

    "If you are weak in spirit..."
    Timur Mutsuraev - "If you are weak in spirit"


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5JT31ZJfsw
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    7 December 2013 04: 18
    To be honest, it's annoying to say the least...
    - Killed, brutally tortured, tortured - the "Holy Inquisition" (which does not get dirty - in the mud, is not afraid? - tens, hundreds, thousands, millions - of people) - just..." like that"
    De facto (lat. de facto - “in fact”, “actually”) is a Latin expression. In jurisprudence, often means "practice but not necessarily defined by law" or "practice or reality but not officially established." Basically, this expression is opposed to the concept of “de jure” (which means “to be determined by law”)

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%E5-%F4%E0%EA%F2%EE
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    20 December 2013 22: 27
    ..and also..., I dare add, - "not honorable" (from the word "Honor") - more correct words - "evil spirits"...
    It seems a trifle ...
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    21 December 2013 12: 29
    - “not Honor” and “uncleanness” (from the word “pure” (not dirty)) are two words with different meanings,
    и "Not" In general, it is advisable to exclude it.
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    21 December 2013 16: 03
    If you think about it, the problem is not in the “Russian Caliphate”, it’s from the category of “if you don’t want a red one..., “oh” - let it be green.”
    Freedom of choice...:).
    But, - "one people, one religion" (who needs).
    Islam (in the stage of youthful maximalism) is trampling on the rake in which the “Christians” have already trodden the roads.
    I like Islam, but I hoped that it would be wiser (taking into account the mistakes of generations)...
    Go through the “Holy Inquisition” again, smooth out rough edges (folds (heresy), temporary misunderstandings), and “think about the Stars.”
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    21 December 2013 16: 55
    Our “ROC”, in the current situation, needs (I don’t dare to advise, but we are talking not only about the survival of the “ROC” itself, but also about the millions of people who Believed and Believe) to remember about our “Paladins”, who humbly, completely sorrow, they will again take up the torch and sword, and “with fire and sword” ... they will restore proper order ...
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    21 December 2013 18: 14
    We packed a lot of songs in my heart,
    Chanting native lands,
    We loved you unselfishly,
    Our Russia is the Holy Land.
    You raised the chapter high,
    Like the sun, your face shone,
    But you became a victim of meanness
    Those who betrayed you and sold you.
    Chorus:
    And again the trumpet calls us to go on a hike.
    We will again get on the job
    And all will go to the sacred battle.
    Stand up for the Faith, Russian land!
    A shrine awaits Russia's victory,
    Answer, Orthodox troops!
    Where is Ilya yours and where is your Dobrynia?
    The Motherland is calling the Sons.
    We will all stand boldly under the banners
    The procession with a prayer let's go,
    For the Russian just cause
    We will honestly shed Russian blood.
    Chorus.
    We are all children of a Great Power,
    We all remember the covenants of the fathers,
    For the sake of the Motherland, honor and glory
    Do not feel sorry for yourself or your enemies.
    Arise, Russia, from slavery.
    The spirit of victory is calling, it's time to fight!
    Raise the battle banners
    For the sake of Faith, Love and Goodness.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrSL1zikSP4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivS4x23YdK0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKnEu3CNnak
    Stand up for the faith, Russian Land!
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    21 December 2013 18: 22
    P/s
    - “handsome guys”, “They love the Young Guard”, and also “How the steel was tempered”, they love what we lost.. (oh) we lost.. sad
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OulzMQ-kw90
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    21 December 2013 19: 46
    - this is all to say that if religious wars begin, Islam will simply be destroyed like a cancerous tumor, rabid animals dangerous to all humanity will be set on fire, “our fanatics” (and they exist, they are just waiting for commands) will not only be blown up, but to be undermined by the latest achievements of science and technology... and Israel will also join in... and even the entire Catholic, but Christian world... and also the Buddhists (why should they not have adequate competitors) catch up...
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    28 December 2013 01: 38
    I am tormented by shame, I wrote nonsense while drunk.
    ... but I sincerely strive to be better...
    My torment of conscience is much worse than your assessments.
    It doesn’t matter who you were, what’s more important is who you become, and in this regard, exactly Church "pulls us" like hippopotamuses from a swamp" - "hope and support" in this raging world...
    "I believe in our Lord" or "I believe in our Lord" - (there is a difference?)
    What if you think about it? - difference between "I believe in God" and "I believe(?) that “HE”(?) exists”? ....
    - Creator, Creator, and Savior, Jesus Christ...
    Everything is not as simple as it really is.
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    28 December 2013 02: 21
    When I reached intellectual maturity“, writes Huxley, “and began to wonder who I am - an atheist, a theist or a pantheist, a materialist or an idealist, a Christian or a free-thinking person - I came to the conclusion that none of these names suits me except the last one.”

    Agnosticism (from ancient Greek ἄγνωστος - unknowable, unknown) is a terminology that exists in philosophy, theory of knowledge and theology, which considers it fundamentally impossible to know objective reality only through subjective experience, and impossible to know any ultimate and absolute foundations of reality. The possibility of proving or refuting ideas and statements based entirely on subjective premises is also denied.

    an agnostic is a person who has abandoned the faith associated with the gods and is convinced that the primary beginning of things is unknown, since it cannot be known.
    -
    Agnostic considers it impossible knowledge of the truth in matters of existence gods, eternal life and other supernatural beings, concepts and phenomena, but does not fundamentally exclude the possibility of the existence of divine entities (only the possibility of proving the truth or falsity of such entities in a rational way is rejected). therefore an agnostic can believe in God, but cannot be an adherent of dogmatic religions (like Christianity, Judaism, Islam), since the dogmatism of these religions contradicts the agnostic’s belief about the unknowability of the world— an agnostic, if he believes in God, does so only within the framework of the assumption of the possibility of his existence, knowing that may be wrong, since he considers the arguments given in favor of the existence or non-existence of God to be unconvincing and insufficient to come to an unambiguous conclusion on their basis.
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    28 December 2013 02: 38
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy." (c)

    for example:
    - “There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our sages never dreamed of” (c)

    - “classical” (“generally accepted”(?) - but does not mean “correct”(?) translation option)
    - and (but) there may be an infinite number of translation and cognition options for this phrase...

    William Shakespeare. Horatio, there are many things in the world...

    W. Shakespeare, Hamlet
    Translations of one phrase

    Compiled by Nathan B. Firun

    Hamlet
    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamed of in your philosophy.

    Averkiev Dmitry
    Horatio, - in the sky
    And on earth there are more things
    What our philosophy dreamed of.

    Vronchenko Mikhail
    There is much in nature, friend of Horatio,
    What our wise men did not dream.

    Gnedich Peter
    Horatio, - in heaven and earth
    There are many things that we never even dreamed of
    Science.

    Danilevsky A.M.
    There are more such things in heaven and earth,
    about which your school wisdom
    and never dream, Horatio.

    K.R. (Prince K.K. Romanov)
    There are many such things in heaven and on earth,
    What our wisdom, Horace, never dreamed of.

    Kanshin P.A.
    There are many things in heaven and on earth, Horace,
    What our wisdom never even dreamed of.

    Kronberg Andrey
    There are many things in heaven and earth,
    As in a dream, Horatio, never dreamed
    Your learning.

    Lozinsky Mikhail
    There is more hidden in the sky and in the earth,
    What does your wisdom dream about, Horatio.

    Morozov Mikhail
    There are more things in heaven and earth Horace,
    What did your philosophy dream about?

    Pasternak Boris
    Horace, there are many things in the world,
    (Option: Horace, there is a lot in the world that)
    That your philosophy never dreamed of.

    Peshkov I.V.
    There is enough in heaven and earth,
    That philosophy, Horatio, never dreamed of.

    Polevoy Nikolay
    There are many things in the world, Horatio's friend
    What our wise men did not dream.

    Poplavsky Vitaly
    Horatio, not everything that is in nature
    Science can explain.

    Radlova Anna
    After all, much is hidden in heaven and earth
    Such things, Horatio, that you never dreamed of
    All your philosophy.

    Rapoport Vitaly
    Horatio, there are things in this world
    That philosophy has never been dreamed of.

    Rossov Nikolay
    There is such a thing in heaven and on earth,
    That our wisdom would never even dream of.

    Sokolsky A.L.
    Horatio, on earth and in heaven
    There are more miracles than your dreams
    Human wisdom.

    Somin Efim
    There are many wonders in heaven and earth, Horace,
    Undreamed of by your philosophers

    Feldman Yakov
    There are many things in the world, my dear,
    What science has never seen in a dream

    Chernov Andrey
    Horatio, our world is much more wonderful,
    What did your philosophers dream about?


    Without indicating the author of the translation:

    There are many things in the world, Horatio's friend,
    What a person is not supposed to know.

    There are many things in the world, Horatio's friend
    What our wise men did not dream.

    There are many such things in the world, friend Horatio,
    What our wise men did not dream.

    How many things, friend Horatio, in the world,
    What our sages never dreamed of

    There are many things in the world, friend Horatio,
    What is unknown to our sages.

    On Earth and in Heaven, Horatio,
    There are a lot of things
    What our wise men did not dream.



    etc.
  65. Novik
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    28 December 2013 03: 07
    From simple to complex.
    - “One people - one Religion” - “one Law” + “guiding star”...
    And probably, it doesn’t matter who shows the way - “Buddhism” - “Christianity” - “Islam”... or whatever new one...
    For many, many years, people believed that “We,” “our planet,” rests on “three pillars.”...
    This is probably true, - “Hope” - “Faith” - “Love”...
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    25 January 2014 15: 20

    In Rus', Orthodoxy and Islam were One!

    During the translation, either accidentally or deliberately, a mistake was made; “Allah” was not translated into the word God.
    As a result, “another force” appeared in the world...
    If we delve into the essence of this concept: "to break", then here it is similar to "breaking" the connection between the left and right hemispheres in our head, turning into a "one-dimensional person", according to Marcuse! And it is made, of course, "made in the West"!

    good

    When a person understands this picture - its essence (and I will try very hard to do this and will soon start posting material), then...
    Consider the foregoing a "prelude" to the conversation ...

    And one more thing: stop "kicking" acad. A. Fomenko! I do not judge him when he interprets historical facts, but in the field of posing questions and claims to history - 100% right! This he said first: in Rus' there was Orthodoxy and Islam - United! (I then thought to myself - this is what a man gives, how is this possible?)! Now I ask, again to myself: forgive A. Fomenko!

    http://stalin-ist.livejournal.com/32001.html


    !

    !
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    25 January 2014 16: 35
    Quote: Dmitriydonskoy
    Need to be brought into line

    good
    Reform is brewing.
    Again think about reform and unification of the Russian Orthodox Church and Islam - on the territory of the Russian Federation, and build together united "Centers of Religious Development" (and not Churches and Mosques separately).
    These are separate and solvable issues.
    Russia should be, Including center of gravity, where - a single law, a single Religion (if possible) - a single people.
    There is another option, in my opinion a bad one, - to outlaw Islam, declare a hunt for Muslims, or simply leave everything as it is, but sooner or later, the people will be compensated for axes and pitchforks, the “paladins” for a sword and torch, and control the situation it will be more difficult.