Another lie of Yulia Latynina

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Another lie of Yulia LatyninaThere are good traditions, but there are such that to say a good word does not turn the language. Therefore, we call it a "trend." That's how journalist Yulia Latynina has a tendency to release a big voluminous lie on the holy day of 9 in May.

Leaving this lie without an answer would be wrong.

In Latynina every word splashes hatred towards Russia. Therefore, to deny everything that says is too laborious, and probably unnecessary work. Let's take ten theses from her speech and show their lies.

1. “In the 1913 year, 170 lived in the Russian empire of millions of people, it was 10% of the world's population. After India and China, it was the largest population of the Earth. Now on the territory of what remains of Russia, 2,4% of the population of the Earth live, that is, a quarter of these 10%, and, actually, lives less in Russia itself than lived in the Russian Empire in 1913 year. ”

Classic, just from the textbook, an example of manipulation. We speak one number and do not speak others. In 1913, the Russian Empire had 170 million. And why do we now consider only the Russian Federation, in the same time calling our Motherland “what remains of Russia”? In order to compare correctly, it is necessary today to take the same or almost the same territory. (The funny thing is that you, dear reader, suggest that Latynina restore Russia within the boundaries of 1913, so she will be the first to be totally against it. And she will pour a bunch of crap on you).

Let us remind the forgetful Yulia Latynina that in 1913, Ukraine, Belarus, Finland, a good half of Poland, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the republics of Central Asia, and Moldova almost all were part of our country in 170. Even without bothering with the calculations, we will see that the population is much larger than the 1913 million that were in the 220 year. As a matter of fact, you can not even count it, just remembering that there were 1917 million people in the USSR. Therefore, today our demographic situation is not as tragic as Latynina is trying to present. But it could have been much better - if it had not been for 1991 and not for 600, the year when such “democrats” and “truth-lovers”, like this Echo of Moscow employee, did not powder our people’s heads. According to the forecast of Mendeleev, we should already have been XNUMX million.

And the February foremost ladies, revolutionaries - traitors and a bunch of bourgeois Octo-Cadet cadets, who decided that everything is bad in Russia and everything needs to be redone, stopped Russia on this path. Was it possible to avoid February 1917 and the way to the abyss? Can. Having shot crowds of demonstrators in Petrograd from machine guns. But it is the “Latins” who in fact consider the “Februaryists” a model and standard, and anyone who is ready to put things in order with an iron hand is a “bloody regime”. What then, what now.

2. “And here is a simple example - compare just the intellectual environment in 1913 and even in 1927 and 2013. Here, Kapitsa with Burmatov. That's what happened to Russia, this Russia, why did she die? Who destroyed her? Answer: Stalin destroyed it, he burned it in the firebox of the war for world domination, and this war did not start in 1941 and in 1939. ”

Here is another typical manipulation. Knowing the current deplorable state of science, Latynina proposes to compare the 1913 and 1927 year with the 2013 year. The comparison is clearly not in favor of today. And if you compare with the 1961 year? With 1985 year? The picture is completely different. Brilliant Soviet science, the first flight into space. And it is immediately evident how Latynina is drawn by the ears. Well, Stalin could not "burn" the country and science, if even with him after the war, and thirty years after his death - our science did not lag behind the science of the West. And then the liberals came to power and for 20 years crushed science. Not Stalin, but the liberals burned Russian science and the country in the furnace.

3. “Actually, Hitler owed Stalin his coming to power: in the 6 elections of November 1932 of the year, Hitler received 33% of votes, and the Social Democrats and the Communists together received 37%. That is, if the Communists had entered into a coalition with the Social Democrats, Hitler would not have come to power and there would have been no revenge. ”

This lie Latynina repeats time from time to time. I already wrote an article about it called “Tenfold Lies of Yulia Latynina” already three years ago. Nothing, we are not proud - we will expose the lie again.

Three years ago, Latynina said: “Actually, Hitler was largely indebted to Stalin for his coming to power. In the 1933 election of the year, Hitler gets 43% of the votes, and the Social Democrats and the Communists together 49%. If the Social Democrats and the Communists formed a bloc, Hitler simply would not have come to power. ” You can read the refutation of the old lie in my article three years ago. Pay attention - today she speaks not about 1933 year, but about 1932. Either she read my article, or she was told that she needed to lie more accurately.

So she changed the year - now she says about the 1932 year and takes the correct numbers this time. But leaving his lies with the same vile.

That's what it really was. In the November 6 elections, 1932, the Nazis scored 33,1% of the votes, the Communists 16,9%, the Social Democrats 20,4% (in total, 41,3%). And as a result of these elections, Hitler did not come to power. Why? Because the Nazis did not have a majority. It must be said that before they put everyone in prison, the Nazis could not win any elections at all. Even in the March 5 elections, 1933, two months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, after the repressions, the Nazis received 43,9%.

Hitler did not become chancellor because someone was not united. His opponents themselves also never had 50,1% votes. But Adolf Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933. How? Having won the elections, how does Latynina tell us? Nothing like this. To bring Hitler to power through the elections really tried. The impression was that the authorities of the Weimar Republic, controlled from abroad, decided to hold them as many times until the Nazis came to power by collecting more than 50% of votes. From 1929 to 1933, there were 9 elections for the Reichstag. And this is not counting the election of 12.11. 1933, when there was one NSDAP in the bulletin and she scored 92%.

Latynina lies that Hitler became the chancellor because of Stalin’s order not to block the Communists from the SPD. Hitler came to power in the most constitutional way. Rather, he was brought to her. According to the 48 article of the Weimar Constitution, the president of Germany had the opportunity, under certain circumstances, to take “emergency measures” (including the adoption of legislative decrees) without the prior consent of the Reichstag (the German parliament). But until 1930, this rule was not used. In the 1930 year, it was “uncorked”, “trained”, and in January 1933, this was the way MINUTE PARLIAMENT, President Hindenburg, appointed Hitler Chancellor (Prime Minister). That is, the election results had nothing to do with the appointment. It was a decision based on backstage bargaining, and not on elective%. And then Stalin?
(Source: A. Bulok, Hitler and Stalin, Smolensk, Rusich, 1994, the table of the results of the elections in Germany)

4. 'History 1925, narrated by Viktor Suvorov in The Last Republic. 1925 year. A red warrior, a red military pilot Minov, arrives in France. Minov's assignment - buy 4 thousand soldiers aviation engines. Hitler had less on the Eastern Front on June 22, I remind you. And the essence of the matter lies in the fact that Minov, however, could not fully fulfill his task, because France did not have so many engines. But he was incognito, and it was very funny when the Minister of Aviation of France found out about his visit and at the very last moment ran into the carriage with a bouquet of flowers with regret that his colleague was already leaving without seeing so much. "

Suvorov-Rezun for Latynina authority. So be it. In one of his books, Suvorov writes about Tukhachevsky, who wanted to build 100 tanks. And then 4 thousand engines for aircraft. Similar handwriting, right? Stalin the adventurer Tukhachevsky besieged, and then the other military sitting in the tribunal in 1938 sentenced him to treason. And in 1925, who led the USSR? Stalin? No. The struggle for power was just beginning. Comrade Trotsky is sovereign. Other "comrades" in the field. Only October 31, 1925 will be stabbed to death on the operating table by order of Trotsky, People's Commissar of Defense Frunze, who was seriously thinking about the invasion of the Red Cavalry in India.

Where did the information that Stalin personally ordered to buy so many engines, not having the production of aircraft? She is not. There is a story about the pilot from the book of Rezun. And that's all.

5. “But the question is, from whom did Stalin defend himself in 1925? From the imperialists? He bought motors from them. From the Germans? At this moment, in fact, the USSR coached the Germans at their training grounds. If Stalin was afraid of Germany's revenge, why did he train German generals? These trainings stopped only with Hitler coming to power, but on the initiative of Hitler, not Stalin. ”

The lie about how the USSR trained the “German generals” is one of the liberals' favorites. And three years ago Latynina lied in the same way. Therefore, the answer is the same. According to the results of the Treaty of Versailles, Germany had the right to have 100 thousand army. Without heavy weapons, without aircraft, without tanks, without fleet. Did Stalin give all this to Hitler? Nothing like this. What really happened?

The creation of top-secret joint military projects was the result of the Rapallo Treaty between Germany and Russia in 1922. Weimar Germany and the USSR agreed to open a tank school, flight school and chemical test site on our territory.

The agreement on the organization of a joint tank school was signed on October 2 1926 in Moscow. The German side bore costs for the current maintenance of the school and the acquisition of all the necessary property for its operation, including the tanks themselves. The Soviet side allocated technical staff for workshops, workers and security. The cadets of the school were to study in combat vehicles of English and French production, which the Germans were going to buy through various machinations and bring into the Soviet Union. Thus, the Red Army, not spending a penny, got access to the latest models of military equipment. (Source: Military-Historical Journal. 1993. No. 6, s.39-44; No.7, s.41-44; No.8, s.36-42.).

The ten combat vehicles promised by the Germans arrived only at the start of the 1929 of the year. For all the time of its existence, the tank school managed to make three issues of German students: in 1929 / 30. - 10, in 1931 / 32 - 11 and in 1933 year - 9 people.

Total: in the USSR prepared 30 German tankers. How many times did Hitler have tankers? Tens of thousands. (Source: Gorlov SA, Top Secret: Alliance Moscow - Berlin, 1920 — 1933, M., 2001, p. 220)

The situation is similar with the “production” of the German aces. The first steps towards the emergence of a school in Lipetsk were made in 1923, when the German military ministry, through an intermediary, bought single fighters from the Fokker company in the Netherlands. Full-time studies began only in the second half of 1926. Please note - in the fleet of aviation schools exclusively foreign aircraft: 34 fighter "Fokker", 8 reconnaissance "Heinkel" training aircraft "Albatross", "Heinkel" and "Junkers", and another transport "Junkers".

Where is the help of Stalin? And it was not. The Soviet Union provided the Germans only with their own sky, and they brought everything else with them, and in addition trained our pilots and designers. In total, the 120 German fighter pilots and 100 observer pilots were trained or re-trained at the flight school in Lipetsk. (Source: Sobolev, DA, Khazanov, D. B. A German trace in the history of domestic aviation., Moscow, Rusavia, 2000, p. XXUMX)
Latynina is learning to lie more skillfully. Previously, did not tell a drop of truth. Now he mixes up lies and truth. The truth is that both schools were really closed on the orders of Hitler, immediately after he came to power. And never again resumed their work. That is, with Hitler, Stalin had no military cooperation. It took place in very modest quantities with the Democratic Weimmar Republic! Stalin and the USSR had nothing to do with the armament of Hitler's Reich. Hitler armed the West, not the East.

And a new kind of lies - now Stalin is even to blame for Latynina even that it was not he, but Hitler, who terminated the agreement and closed the schools! And why was it necessary to close them to Stalin? Hitler, England and France were allowed to open schools right in Germany, and he closed them in Russia, for the war with which he was brought to power by the same British and French. And why did Stalin close these schools? The Germans brought the latest technology (of which we have no analogues and so far we do not know how to produce) and learn how to use it with us. Why close such a good school?

6. “Finally, if Stalin defended himself, why weaponwhich he did was offensive? Here, with the light hand of Viktor Suvorov, there is a great example. This is an example of a BT tank, which, in fact, was a tank by, in fact, American designer Christie, which was bought in 1930 year and was produced in Kharkov at a factory built by the American designer Kan in the amount of 22 units per day. BT was a great tank. He fought in Spain, he showed himself well there, he did a two-day march in 630 kilometers, a march to the Ebro River. Under Halkin-Gol, it was BT that was fighting, the 800-kilometer march along the Mongolian steppe. Finally, in 1945, BT was also the main tank in the war with the Japanese, it marched 820 kilometers march. ”

Yulia Latynina may not know, but it was Japan that attacked Mongolia and the USSR on the eve of World War II, and not vice versa. The fighting near Khalkhin Gol and Lake Hassan brought the Japanese to their senses. So much so that they then in 1941 did not dare to try their luck again. And the BT tanks were one of the shock forces of our army. Which defended, and was not the aggressor. That is, citing such an example, Latynina exposes herself, to put it mildly, unintelligent. Having an offensive weapon is not a sign of aggressiveness. Offensive weapons are in the armies of all countries, including those who themselves will never be the first to attack anyone. Incidentally, according to Latynina, again, the American tank. That is, not having their own samples yet, the USSR purchased what was abroad. The reason - see the previous paragraph.

7. “The question arises: how did Stalin, who turned the whole country into a weapons factory, why did he not have strategic bombers? The answer is that a strategic bomber is a weapon of retaliation. Now, if you were attacked, then you are flying to the rear of your opponent and bombing the factories producing weapons with which you were attacked. ”

Another stupidity. According to Latynina - who has strategic bombers, he will never attack first. Stupidity. Just strategic bombing can bring the enemy's economy down and it is this kind of aggression that we see today (and yesterday) on the part of the Anglo-Saxons and NATO. Another thing is that the resources to develop and aviation and short-range and strategic are usually not enough. You have to make a choice. Hitler made a choice in favor of "non-strategic" aviation. Why? Because I was preparing for war with the USSR, where in the European part you can “get there” to the enemy and its important centers. But to England, the German planes flew to the limit of their capabilities. A small fight - and it's time to go back, and then run out of fuel. To fight with the United States without strategic aviation is impossible at all. So Hitler was not going to fight the Anglo-Saxons. Apparently planning to capture the "whole world" without a fight with the States? But the British and Americans already in the course of the war began to develop precisely strategic aviation, hoping to put both Germans and Russians on their knees. The bombing of Dresden is a “portfolio” of allied strategic aviation. Destroyed a large city, killed hundreds of thousands of people - and all in order to put pressure on Stalin. Exactly, like a bomb dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this is an attempt to make Stalin compliant by demonstrating his capabilities.

8. “There is such a unique battle in world history under 22’s January 1879 of Izandlwan. This is a battle in which Zulu warriors, armed with spears and clubs, beat the English army. Why? Because the British ran out of ammo.

Why did not the fronts break through to the First World War? Because no government could afford to lose 10 or 100 thousands of people in the attack. Stalin created such a system that allowed it. "

There is nothing to even comment on. "Oscilloscope Arrow" in its purest form. Fronts in World War broke through. Repeatedly. The most striking example is the Brusilov breakthrough of the Russian army. But Latynina will not write this - this is a victory for the Russian weapon, you can’t write and talk about it. As for the losses, just any unsuccessful offensive, of which there were many in the history of the First World War, was precisely the one that was marked by terrible losses. About the cost of 10 thousands of lives - it is almost ANY offensive of that time and the war. Paid for a couple of square kilometers. But especially for the "Latin" we take the upper bar - 100 thousands of lives. Is this the only “bloody Stalin” that can attack ?!

Here is the statistics of the loss of one of the bloodiest battles of the First World War - Verdun. The British and the French began to attack him, that is, those governments who, according to Latynina, cannot afford the losses in 100 thousand people. They attacked from 21 February to 18 in December 1916 of the year, during which time near Verdun both sides lost about a million people, among whom there were thousands of people killed - up to 430. This battle will be called the "meat grinder."

Here is another battle - the slaughter of Nivelle. Again come the "governments that can not afford to lose 100 thousand people in the attack." In the spring of 1917, the French and the British stormed the German fortifications head on: 16 April 1917 - May 1917. The largest battle of the First World War. For several weeks, even according to Wikipedia, which the liberals love so much, “In the Nivel Offensive, the French lost the killed and wounded 180 000 people, the English 160 000 people. The losses of the German army were 163 000 people (29 000 prisoners). ”
Again, Stalin is to blame?

9. “Even in the 1945 year, with the capture of Berlin, the daily losses of the Red Army were 15 thousands of people a day. These were the biggest losses for the war, that is, nothing had changed since Rzhev. ”

Every time Latynina calls numbers, she tries to beat on emotions. The real numbers are: Berlin defended about 1 million enemy soldiers. Of this number of Germans and mixed SS men who defended Berlin, 480 thousand soldiers and officers were taken prisoner. Our losses - 101 960 killed, 200 thousand wounded (G. Hilger, A. Meyer. Russia and Germany. Allies or enemies ?, M.CentrePoligraph, 2008, C.412).

Taking Berlin is a huge victory. And it's not just that during the 8 days of fighting, our army defeated and captured a huge army. The fact is that it was Stalin’s decision to storm Berlin and saved the world from the Third World War. The British did not dare to fight the army, which in a short time took the most powerful fortress. Having decided to storm the German capital, Stalin showed the allies the power of his army, just as they showed him the power of their aircraft, having burned the poor Dresden to the ground. The British military stated their premiere that there would be no quick victory. But in April, 1945-th Churchill ordered to prepare a plan for Operation Unthinkable. A possible start was planned for July 1 1945.

What was the operation like? The overall plan was this - a sudden (without a declaration of war) all-destructive attack on the Russian army in Europe. Next - the attack there, from where just our people drove Hitler. Allied strategic aviation was preparing to wipe out the largest cities of the USSR. Especially for the admirers of Sir Winston Churchill, of whom there is a lot of poor knowledge of history in our country, I cite the points of the Anglo-Saxon plan. The purpose of the operation was to "force Russia to submit to the will of the United States and the British Empire." To achieve the goal, the Allies planned:

A) To occupy those areas of internal Russia, having lost which, the country will lose the material possibilities of waging war and further resistance;

B) inflict such a decisive defeat on the Russian armed forces, which will make it impossible for the USSR to continue the war.

Read? Now explain the difference with the German Barbarossa plan and the goals that Adolf Hitler set for himself in 1941 year. The goal of the Fuhrer was the elimination of the USSR as a military factor and the subordination of the Russians to the will of Germany. The British tried to achieve the same thing four years later, Hitler, developing the operation “Unthinkable”. According to the Barbarossa plan, the Germans were going to occupy a significant part of the USSR’s territory and smash the main forces of the Red Army in border battles, which, in their opinion, should have brought Reich victory in the war with the Russians. Exactly the same were the plans of their English "colleagues".

Operation "Unthinkable" did not take place just because of the fact that its developers considered the combination of forces in Europe to be not in their favor. Hot heads cooled down. Third World War, which our English “partners” had planned for 1 July 1945, did not happen. How many lives, how many millions of lives did Stalin save by his decision? He could not stop Hitler, but was able to stop Churchill. The assault on Berlin was carried out quickly and clearly. 2 May 1945, the Berlin garrison capitulated.

And the losses ... Yes, they were - 8 days by 15 000 people, there are a hundred thousand. Who gave their lives for their homeland, storming Berlin. So that British aviation would not wipe out Moscow and Leningrad from the face of the earth ...

10. “The problem is that even before 1939, Stalin tried to develop the war in at least two places - in Spain in 1936 and Czechoslovakia in 1938, and both times he did exactly the same thing. He pursued his policy in the same way, both times through the Fifth Column in the face of the Comintern and useful idiots, so that France and Britain declared war on Hitler, and Stalin was on the sidelines. ”

That lived. Stalin had already organized a civil war in Spain. Did Stalin persuade General Franco to rebel? Not. So what is Stalin's fault? And about this wrote three years ago Latynina. Stalin supplied weapons to the legitimate government of Spain. Serious guilt, nothing to say. Today, Russia is very guilty - it supplies weapons to Syria. And years through 50, Vladimir Putin’s “Latin” will be blamed for fomenting the war in Syria. Why, Western media already blames Moscow for this.

And about Czechoslovakia is just an anecdote. No one in historiography laid the blame on Stalin for the desire to unleash a war during the Munich Agreement, when the British and French, through the mediation of Mussolini, gave Hitler the floor of Czechoslovakia. Not asking, by the way, and the Czechs. Having an allied treaty with Czechoslovakia. The USSR also had an agreement with the Czechs and declared that it was ready to fight with Hitler for Czechoslovakia, observing the agreement. But since they themselves surrendered, Stalin, of course, led the troops away from the border. So what is Stalin to blame? What the British and French handed over to Hitler successively Austria and Czechoslovakia?

Do not look for the truth in the words Latynina and the like.

They are always to blame Russia, always to blame the Russian authorities.

In extreme cases, Stalin is always to blame for everything.
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  1. Seraph
    +1
    17 May 2013 23: 41
    2018 The 3rd trial of traitors to the Motherland is underway in Moscow. The moratorium on the death penalty has been lifted. In front of a massive gathering of the public and the media, the chief prosecutor reads out the verdict against former liberal journalists who have been corrupting the consciousness of Russian citizens for many years. After the announcement of the sentence - 10 years in prison - mass demonstrations took place in Moscow and other cities demanding tougher punishment; There were clashes with the police. The result was a decision on a people's court, which made the decision expected by society: death by hanging. Early in the morning one October day, 24 paddy wagons were transporting prisoners from the pre-trial detention center towards Tushinsky Field, where rows of gallows were installed...
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  3. discard
    -2
    18 May 2013 09: 02
    The main criterion for the true greatness of a country is the standard of living of its population, and not a huge military industry and a lopsided economy with a destroyed agriculture, traditional for Russia.
    Those who suffered under the Stalinist regime clearly have a distorted idea of ​​why states exist at all.
    Stalin created a regime whose authorities thought least of all about how people lived under this regime.
    As a result, what should have happened happened - the regime collapsed along with the country.
    For those who have doubts, I recommend paying attention to where we found ourselves at the time of the collapse of the USSR and Germany and Japan, defeated and destroyed by the allies.
  4. Albertvodinov
    +1
    18 May 2013 10: 52
    Maybe you just shouldn’t be so picky with the poor woman. and take it and chip it in for a dildo. and then you look and the mods will become kinder smile
  5. sashka
    +1
    18 May 2013 15: 31
    It's disgusting to read. Some kind of nonsense... This is about comments. Have you ever read history yourself? Or just the Unified State Exam?
    1. 0
      18 May 2013 19: 11
      and you don’t read - why force yourself so much - a masochist or what? fool
  6. +4
    18 May 2013 15: 58
    Such scribblers should be driven out with a filthy broom and deprived of the right to work in the media. And if she doesn’t love Russia so much, why live here, she would go to where everything is “good”.
    1. Marfoushenka
      0
      5 July 2013 08: 13
      And who and where especially needs it? She doesn’t even reach the average level; here she is paid for lies and slander. She can do nothing but lies and dirty tricks and insults.
      1. nicotine
        0
        6 July 2013 10: 46
        So after all, all of Starikov’s articles do not reach the average level. Yes, Latynina is crap, but reading Starikov is evidence of complete intellectual squalor.
    2. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 44
      So everything is fine with us. Here she is.
  7. vitmilen2012
    +4
    18 May 2013 16: 45
    These Judases are so tired. I have no strength.
  8. Ruslan_F38
    +4
    18 May 2013 18: 54
    Latynina doesn’t evoke any other feelings other than disgust, it’s a mistake of nature. In other respects, like all our “oppositionists”, they are white ribbon people.
  9. +1
    18 May 2013 20: 51
    I read with interest until the author, unable to resist, “screwed” the “great and infallible” into his opus. Somehow it immediately became “wrong.”
  10. Mervik
    +1
    19 May 2013 04: 01
    Sweaty feet in her mouth! and close the new newspaper
  11. Mervik
    +1
    19 May 2013 04: 02
    Sweaty feet in her mouth! and close the new newspaper
  12. +4
    19 May 2013 08: 56
    You shouldn’t poke around in shit and taste it to understand what it is. Spit on this Latin - this is a talking ass capable of only blasphemies.
  13. -2
    19 May 2013 10: 48
    my dears, I will tell you one truth that is very important in my opinion
    the personality is equally not influenced by either the pure truth or the dirty lie, her views are not a weather vane and she is not afraid of headwinds in the form of opposing opinions. “A personality is a person who has his own position in life, to which he came as a result of a lot of conscious work”
    Question: Why are we all hysterical here, why are we so afraid? let me help you and myself.
    (phone numbers should be indicated here for making appointments for consultations with some psychologists and some with psychiatrists laughing )
  14. +5
    19 May 2013 17: 08
    Is there no one to take down this liberal creature? The Chechen litter of Latins will continue to throw mud at Russia as long as the echoes of Moscow and the rain exist, where the pro-American pack has gathered
  15. +4
    19 May 2013 19: 05
    It's time to flog this stuffed, corrupt fool a long time ago
  16. +4
    19 May 2013 21: 00
    I would have been a subscriber to Yulia’s blog for quite a long time. He writes the lion’s share of bad and vile things about Our Russia. And opinions on various issues and assessments of it are far from prudence!!! She receives wages from Russia’s opponents, this must be understood. Without illusions, apparently she is temporarily on Russian soil, the business trip is ending, it’s time for her to move to her real homeland!!!
  17. vlrosch
    +2
    21 May 2013 09: 49
    In the center of Moscow there is a cobblestone in memory of the repressed.... On Memorial Day, come there and look at the children of these so-called repressed people. You look at these New Year trees decorated with gold and diamonds and think: “But Stalin was right that he shot thieves and embezzlers.”
    1. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 42
      A stupid, evil, stinking abomination that feels nothing but envy, because it can only take from the dead. Produce at least something worthy to earn money. Stalin sold the Sistine Madonna abroad and robbed his own people. He executed embezzlers - just window dressing, if the officials lived on full state support, and the peasants without passports were starving. People went to school barefoot and survived on potatoes alone.
  18. +2
    21 May 2013 11: 00
    Well, we have long understood that “EkhoMoskvy” is a distorting mirror. Something else is surprising: where our leadership is looking. At parties in the Kremlin, faces are constantly wiped off from this “behind the looking glass” echo, they hang around embassies like beggars (and then shit in our garden). I think that the moment will soon come when they won’t have enough planes to rush to their owners. Would it be cheaper to speed up this process and send them all there en masse? And most importantly, bloodlessly.
  19. +1
    21 May 2013 11: 02
    Let them be there, with the owners, engaged in “democratization”
  20. +1
    21 May 2013 11: 04
    Once again they are shutting their mouths under the guise of fighting flooding. and why be surprised: in whose hands it is not.
  21. +1
    21 May 2013 11: 06
    In general, it’s a lot of honor to respond to all this trash. If you walk along the road, don’t touch it and it won’t stink.
  22. 0
    21 May 2013 22: 20
    To begin with: admitting the mistakes of one’s country is not a betrayal of it, and justifying or denying mistakes is not patriotism
    I’ll try to introduce some element of rationality into the hysteria created here:
    according to point 1: the point is that they were in 3rd place, but now they are not, even taking into account the territory of the former USSR
    according to point 2: Unfortunately, the high (highest) achievements of the times of the USSR were in pursuit of the West (atomic bomb, turbojet engines, computers, rocketry, etc.), although the beginning was often made in our country, but was developed after the introduction to west (television, helicopters, hovercraft, etc.)
    according to point 3: Hitler comes to power because he has the majority at that time, there are no coalitions against him, so his choice is natural (“...there is such a party...”), but there are no coalitions, since the communists do not ordered to form a bloc with the “bourgeois” Social Democrats
    on point 4: it’s not clear what he said - 4 thousand engines and 10 thousand tanks - but what did he want to say?
    according to point 5: the Germans learned from us, and all other words are to create fog
    according to point 6: the point was that BT tanks were more applicable on the roads of Europe than on the off-road roads of the USSR - the logical conclusion is that they were intended to move to the west (“with little loss, on foreign soil”). To say that they are for defense is not entirely logical, they are for everything, but they are more convenient on the roads of Europe
    according to point 7: everything is simpler here - there were no strategic bombers, because they didn’t know how to make them
    according to paragraph 8: of course, there were very bloody battles before Stalin, but he created a political system in which a commander at any level of management could put an unlimited number of soldiers without a threat to himself, if he could justify the need for this, and the result is not important - he's trying
    according to point 9: the question is whether the price matters, i.e. 15 thousand people a day - it doesn’t matter. Victory will write it all off, or should we frustrate our minds and try to reduce losses? We decided not to soar - “women are still giving birth.” But I would like the same result at a lower cost - did I say something unpatriotic? Someone (the author?) wants to propose the opposite scenario to make the victory more spectacular - to put in even more? I think not. (If I'm wrong, tell me)
    according to clause 10: Stalin tried to develop the war in at least two places - in Spain in 1936 and in Czechoslovakia in 1938 According to the author’s text, I emphasize again, “I tried to develop” and did not unleash.
    That is, the USSR tried to develop the war in Spain (but lost) - you mean, didn’t try? - so he not only supplied equipment, but also sent people (the question of the official and actual motive is a separate question) And Czechoslovakia was abandoned, like England and France - this is an explanation for the scum - they say, they did this, why should we do otherwise - Thus, we were on the same level as England and France and did not stop Hitler earlier.
    These, in my opinion, are the main points of the quoted excerpts - and I don’t see anything that can be interpreted as betrayal, meanness, and all the nonsense that the “forum members” were talking about here. If you disagree with something, that is your right. And a person has his own point of view - this is his right. And in this we are equal.
    And the anecdotal accusation that the Americans paid for something leads to the question - were your speeches paid for by the Kremlin? Those. these 200 (500?) rubles a day for this nonsense - is it true? If not, then spare others from accusations of this kind. Don't judge people by yourself.
    That's something like ...
  23. +2
    22 May 2013 18: 35
    You need to expose her and if you have proven that she is lying, take the case to court. And there is a law on libel and so on. Latynina and her accomplices (Gozman, Pozner, Shenderovich....) are not simple liars. They have a specific task to discredit Russia and its people, which means that the information war is gaining momentum and they are pursuing very real goals. Indeed, this is called Zionist bullying! They don’t need the truth, they need a lie, and they are experts at it. There is no one there to prove the truth. So, either sue or remain silent. Maybe, at least if they win in court, these figures will be recognized as not professionals and shown the door.
    But in general, if the people’s indifference towards these people changes towards intolerance towards lies and other manifestations of evil hatred, then these specialists from the media will be trampled with a filthy broom.
  24. lexe
    +2
    22 May 2013 23: 36
    Operation "UNTHOUGHT" - Ugh.) Isn't it a fake? They are really good at pulling chestnuts out of the fire with someone else’s hands. And the name is appropriate) Not thunder\shock\awe)))). I just can’t understand how Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - a specialist in exes in his youth, allowed himself to be bullied by Shekelgrub - (ugh, I don’t remember) (Hitler in short) an artist and a loser in life huh? Is this unthinkable with full mutual understanding/respect for each other among the coalition soldiers or what? And without preparatory propaganda pumping like Goebel’s? You don’t need to pump it up right now - push the button and everything goes to dust, but then not. BUT on the whole I agree with the articles. Siberia doesn’t need it - for the kitchen, yes.
  25. lexe
    +1
    23 May 2013 00: 42
    It’s a pity that such serious things are being said to the whole country by a woman, and even with a bad attitude towards herself from the majority of people. It is clear that they all have compromising evidence and all the oppositionists exposed in the media are steam release valves for their part of the voters (otherwise who I would give her airtime). But here are 170 million... this concerns all of us. Is Uncle Vova ripe in changing national policy? Or is he releasing/letting in steam again? If he is ripe, that’s good. Only we need different lawyers so that there is no negativity.
  26. 0
    23 May 2013 20: 34
    Normal people have not been paying attention to Latynina’s rants for a long time. And trying to convince liberals, even using the most truthful arguments, is an activity doomed to failure.
    1. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 35
      So Starikov’s arguments are half false, maybe even more than Latin’s. WORK YOUR BRAIN.
  27. 0
    23 May 2013 20: 56
    Why did you attack the woman, she honestly works out what the USA pays her for
  28. vmf971
    +1
    23 May 2013 22: 24
    to America such historians as Latin
    1. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 34
      yeah, it's bad there. Unemployment... 40% of us don’t work, this didn’t happen even under the bastard Yeltsin, but this doesn’t count as unemployment. We are thriving, and if it weren’t for the liberals...
  29. +1
    23 May 2013 23: 28
    Gr. Latynina didn’t care about the facts, about the opinions of readers and listeners. An empty nester and a know-it-all. These are precisely the ones needed in order to hate all carriers of liberal values.
    1. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 36
      “This is exactly what is needed in order to hate all bearers of liberal values.” THAT'S WHAT SHE'S PAID FOR!
  30. Vasilić
    0
    27 May 2013 18: 20
    mdeee))... I didn’t have the strength to read all the comments... sorry)
    Nikolai Starikov’s article is the best response to the “emotions” of the same Latynina. And in general, the only correct method of combating the intoxication of peoples. Not executions or exiles... not hospitals or prisons... much less simply throwing mud at a lost sheep or workhorse)
    ...why is the author's answer the best?)..
    ..because he approaches the answer calmly (I hope so), scientifically (he cites the authors of the books or articles he refers to), and seems to look at historical facts from the outside - and this is the most important thing.
    Yes..we are all descendants of our grandfathers and grandmothers, descendants of a country that no longer exists (to my deep regret).
    And everyone can have their own “personal” scores to settle with Stalin, and even more so with Hitler...
    The main thing (and the author agrees with this) is not to distort the facts.
    Stalin, as the head, certainly bore direct responsibility for everything that happened... and for the "nezhdanchik" (June 22, 1941)... and for the executions of everyone on whom the shadow fell (even if they were innocent)... and for many others. deeds of those years...
    ..but...like many things in history (and indeed in any sphere of human life and even beyond it), the events and people of those days should not be viewed “flatly”, taking into account only one or the other, but together...
    ...therefore, good or bad (I’m not going to justify or vilify anyone)...but... Stalin fulfilled his role...
    ...we won...
    ...then we won...
    ...and what it would have been like if Stalin had not ruled the country then - unknown in UAPSH)...
    and what about the activities of the same Latynina ..
    ...so it’s better just let her live and live... we see her... we hear her... maybe someone even reads something)))...
    ...than we won’t know where the next stone will come from...
    and turning to dirt never did anything good for anyone...
    they went into battle shouting “FOR THE MOTHERLAND!”... and not “MOSH THE GOATS!”
    Many thanks to the author of the article. I hope the strength to answer lies with the truth will never leave you.
    1. nicotine
      -1
      6 July 2013 10: 31
      Starikov's article is no less false and tendentious. WORK YOUR BRAIN
  31. Marfoushenka
    0
    5 July 2013 07: 47
    Hello!

    I found your site quite by accident and I liked it. I read with interest the article “Yulia Latynina’s Another Lie.” She lies about everything, but she lies so vilely that even the people who used to listen to her have become unpleasant to her. Her report was recently published about the situation in the Black Earth Region, where the offshore Cypriot company (supposedly Ural) UMMC plans to mine nickel. I myself am from those regions and I am not indifferent to the fate of my small Motherland, although now I live in another country and cannot go to Russia. You can watch and read about Latynina’s latest lies here http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/mnog/. For the second year now, people in the Volgograd and Voronezh regions have been holding rallies against the start of drilling work on their land, which feeds Russia. The fact is that during drilling the water will become salinized and the water layers will drop by tens of meters. I am writing about this here because I hope that there are caring people here, let them know what the oligarchs want to do in Central Russia.
  32. Marfoushenka
    0
    5 July 2013 08: 00
    During World War II, Hitler exported black soil to Germany by wagonload. And now they want to destroy not only black soil, but also people, since without water there will be no life. And besides, emissions from such a plant will reach very far, hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away. Everything will depend on the wind rose. It may reach the Tula region, maybe even the Moscow region... Although there is no war now, it seems to be a time of peace, but what is happening and what can happen is not at all peaceful. I want to help the Black Earth Region as best I can (and people like Latynina want to ruin it). In her report, Latynina called people from the Voronezh and Volgograd regions “lumpen,” but this is far from true. People want to continue farming. In the Voronezh region alone, the turnover from agriculture reaches 3 billion dollars a year. And this is not to mention the unique Khopersky natural reserve http://www.hoperzap.ru/, which is located several kilometers from the planned drilling. There is a good website "Save Hopper!" http://savekhoper.ru/. Now there is also a campaign to select objects - symbols of Russia on the website 10russia.ru, where you can vote for the Khopersky Nature Reserve, now it is in 2nd place http://10russia.ru/object_64. I'm trying to draw people's attention to this issue as best I can.
  33. nicotine
    0
    6 July 2013 10: 25
    I hate Latynina and consider her a hidden anti-liberal. But the article against manipulation of opinion, which is really typical of Latynina, itself consists of sheer dishonesty that would not be published in any more or less serious publication. This is an example of a typical yellow press. The points:
    1. What is the current population of half of Poland, Finland, Armenia, Kazakhstan, etc.? If you are going to compare, provide comparable figures yourself. Otherwise, it somehow turns out to be completely stupid - to incriminate some with the help of your own cunning. You “DON’T TROUBLE YOURSELF WITH CALCULATIONS.” So WORK, otherwise the level of discussion becomes designed for the TRUSTING. I do not believe that the size of the current population of these countries, added to the current population of the country, is greater than the population of the Russian Empire. As for the population of the USSR, THERE WAS NO EXTINCTION IN IT except during the reign of Stalin. And now the extinction continues, despite the bright life under the leadership of Mr. Putin
    2. “Here is another typical manipulation. Knowing the current deplorable state of science, Latynina suggests comparing 1913 and 1927 with 2013. The comparison is clearly not in favor of today. What if we compare it with 1961? Since 1985? The picture is completely different." Here is another example of manipulation. The sixties were the heyday of science, when it threw off the Stalinist shackles and began to rapidly catch up and overtake the West. The productivity of the scientists in the sharashkas, who knew that if they did not get the result on time, they would arrest the family, was not high. The atomic bomb was 100% scientifically correct; stolen. Nothing of our own - neither in theory nor in technology - was done under the leadership of Kurchatov. Everything was delivered by spies. This was not the success of Stalinist science, but ordinary hypocrisy. Under Stalin there were not many technical achievements at all, much less than they are trying to imagine now. He himself drove products of the domestic automobile industry only in parades, but in life he had a stable of Rolls-Royces. And in general, almost everything was Western, since he loved quality things. Real scientific and technological achievements began under the classical liberal Khrushchev (but not a democratic liberal!), who ensured basic liberal rights - to life, to shelter, to human existence, to the defense of rights in court. (Of course, the Stalinists ridiculed him and overthrew him - after all, Stalin built an empire of fundamental inequality among the members of the empire, the peasants were without passports, and the officials were protected by concepts, and the big ones were also so cut off from the whole mass that they lived on state support).. But still. , those remnants of developed, world-class science of the Russian Empire that survived Stalin’s time have shot into new times. The hydrogen bomb was 100% domestic. “Cosmos” has only a hereditary relation to Stalin; all the successes happened without him. Moreover, the level of achievement exceeds the starting level so much that it is simply ridiculous to appeal to the start. By the way, under the new Stalin, science is dying out despite hypocritical assurances of its development. Rockets rain down every month, when even Malaysia is successfully launching its own. Gee-s-s-s-s... Are liberals also to blame? So under the bastard Yeltsin there was still hope for something, but now there is none.
    3. Actually, Latynina did not invent anything (http://www.proza.ru/2012/04/23/832), this is one of the existing hypotheses.
    1. nicotine
      0
      6 July 2013 10: 29
      4. In the above excerpt from Latynina there is not a word that Minov was sent by Stalin. Further, the author refutes Minov’s connection with Stalin. One gets the feeling that the author is paranoid. Here, at a minimum, the author’s presentation is logically inconsistent.
      5. .
      6. The whole point is petty puffing, anger, in which there is nothing special to say. When there is a global division of foreign territories and spheres of influence, there are no rightists. Everyone screams that they were attacked in Mongolia. Stalin was no better than the Japanese here. In his tactics, in my opinion, one motive can be traced: to make sure that he is supposedly the first to be offended, and thereby have an excuse for further destruction or capture. If there was no real motive, it was declared to exist.
      7.
      8. During the Battle of Verdun, the Germans were advancing. Therefore, the losses of the French and allies are losses during the defense, and not losses during the breakthrough. THAT IS THE AUTHOR IS LYING. The cunning phrase that the French and British began to attack is also a lie. Germany was preparing for a targeted breakthrough, this is exactly how it tried to break through the front, local movements are presented as the reason, n-dya....
      9. “Some are green, others are to the west.” This is the style in which the discussion is proposed. Latynina speaks about the loss, her opponent talks about the piggishness of the allies. NOT ESSENTIALLY, SO THERE IS NOTHING TO ANSWER.
  34. faraon
    0
    6 July 2013 11: 07
    I gave the article a plus, just like the radio station “Echo of Moscow”, why yes because the authors express their personal opinion, their vision of history, which makes you wonder if it all happened like that? after all, a coin has two sides, and the authors have their own vision of the events that happened in our history. As for Yu. Latynena, perhaps she is distorting the facts, and her comments do not entirely correspond to reality. They are designed for a person who thinks and analyzes the information received. Remember what did we have before?, There was party policy, the party thought, decided, taught. Yes, this had its advantages, but still there were disadvantages. People could not express their thoughts out loud as is done now - and this is one of signs of freedom and democracy in society. Yu. Latynina does not suck facts out of thin air; she, like many journalists, uses materials from closed archives and brings them to us, expressing her opinion, and also gives us food for thought, and this is much better than party meetings with pre-written theses corresponding to the ideology of the ruling party. She does not keep this to herself, but brings it out to the public, and it is up to you to perceive her comments as party dogma or reflect, analyze and draw appropriate conclusions