Nuclear illusion. It will not work to "glaze" the enemy

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Nuclear illusion. It will not work to "glaze" the enemy

Do not count nuclear weapon weak or harmless. But you shouldn't overestimate either.

In the para-patriotic environment, there is a myth (and it is carefully cultivated in the minds of people) that if something happens, we have nuclear weapons and with its help we will solve all problems. Or its alternative version: we will self-destruct, dragging our enemies with us to the next world.

Usually, such a myth is immediately "spread on the table" when it comes to the need to carefully prepare general-purpose forces for military action. A typical "hurray-patriot" with a patch in the shape of a "pink pony" with bulging eyes rushes into the attack, trying to deliver a ramming blow with the following theses: “Don't you understand that a war with ... automatically means a war with the United States ?! And it can only be nuclear. " After that, arguments like "glass" are used, etc.

In fact, this is an illusion. And, worst of all, the country's leaders, who are responsible for making important strategic decisions, believe in it. This nuclear illusion is nothing more than a wish. In fact, everything is different. And if you continue to persist and remain in the dark, the results can ultimately turn out to be truly deplorable.



It is worthwhile to figure out what can really be "glazed" with the existing nuclear arsenal. And what will an attempt to simply "bang" lead to without taking into account the consequences and planning operations at the proper level.

Just powerful bombs


Let's start this history "From the end": it is technically impossible to "glaze" anything. The photo below shows the epicenter of the explosion of the "Tsar Bomba" AN602. The most powerful explosive device in history, with the TNT equivalent, as we know today, at 58 megatons.


Photo source: Pressa.tv

As you can see, there is no glass. Of course, this is ironic. But how destructive are these superbombs really? We will use the service nukemap by Alex Wellerstein and "bomb" with this bomb, for example, San Francisco - the largest US naval base. What do we see?


The outer orange circle is the area where people received burns of varying severity. The next darker is the destruction zone, with the growth of destruction and fires closer to the center, but with a mass of survivors. But the small circles are from the edge to the center - a zone of severe destruction (dark circle), a zone of almost complete destruction (red circle), a fireball (orange) and hard radiation (green). Almost everyone inside the red circle has died or will die. Inside the small darkened one is the vast majority. Further - the options begin. Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


If you do not take into account possible radioactive fallout (they are not shown in the diagram), then it is clear that on the one hand, San Francisco has been destroyed. Most of its population (not all!) Died or became crippled. That is, the mobilization potential of this region has been greatly undermined. But, for example, the nearby San Jose was hardly damaged. In the northwestern part of the city, people received burns, in the rest - eye injuries of varying severity, mostly minor. And a little northeast, in Sacramento - there are no consequences at all... If the wind blows the precipitation towards the sea, then you won't even have to evacuate anyone from nearby cities.

But maybe you should have jumped at full capacity? Let's simulate an explosion at full power. By the way, the TNT equivalent looks like the notorious "Poseidon". In the form in which this device was advertised. 100 megatons, adjusted for the fact that the "Tsar Bomba" was real, and before Poseidon it was still cut and cut. And that our virtual explosion is air, not surface. But this is not essential in this case.


Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


So, the results are in the diagram. San Jose is now covered, Sacramento is hit by a shockwave, but weak, without collapsing buildings and extensive destruction. Basically, we are talking about broken windows. Of course, there is nothing left of San Francisco. Losses exceeded a million, most likely or so.

Let's take a look at the map of the USA with the affected area from such an explosion. Impressive.


Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


But we must understand that, firstly, this is about 1/330 of the US population, no more. Secondly, there are actually no such powerful explosive devices. Yes, and the "Poseidon" warhead capacity is actually planned to be less. And thirdly, there are actually much more important goals in the US. And in reality everything will be completely different.

Nevertheless, let us designate the first conclusion. If you do not take into account the radiation contamination of the terrain, then nuclear weapons are just very powerful bombs. "Glazing" with them will not work. There will be survivors, surviving infrastructure. Some industrial facilities will survive, even if you throw 100 megatons. Although this is where the losses will be catastrophic. But in reality, there are no 100 megatons, right? So. And about radiation a little later. In the meantime, a few numbers.

The beginning of the end and some statistics


Reality is most clearly seen in contrast to myth. The myth of hurray-patriots is this. If a war breaks out, then in response (In response to what? Hooray-patriots do not clarify this point. Is this the answer to the first shot? Or to the second? It is unclear.) We will begin to beat with nuclear missiles and that's it.

Is that all? Could it be that the exchange of missile strikes will not be the end of everything, but only one of the episodes of the ongoing massacre, which will not begin with him, and will not end with it?

In a professional environment, the question is posed differently. There are various theories as to how a full-scale conflict between Russia and the United States with some of their allies could develop. There are some theories about "nuclear de-escalation" on our part. There are plans to use nuclear weapons in various ways, including strategic nuclear weapons.

From the American position, they are opposed by two iron "ideological" principles. The first is that the Russians will not use nuclear weapons until they start losing a conventional war. And the second, that in response they need to throw their bombs so that they know how to reach out to weapons of mass destruction in the war against supercivilization.

Both in our country and in the United States, there is a set of ideas that the escalation from an ordinary limited conflict to a nuclear global one will proceed "in stages", although these stages can pass very quickly.

Let's try to synthesize the myth of jingoistic patriots with what the professionals sometimes talk about, as well as with banal common sense.

Let's say Joe Biden, who has fallen into insanity, orders the US Air Force to provide a no-fly zone over Syria. Ours do not obey, the Americans are starting to shoot us down. We answer them. They proactively direct large forces aviation into the Syrian sky and overwhelmingly arrange a massacre for us. In response, we are striking with Iskander from Khmeimim at their facilities in Syria, and with Caliber from the Black Sea and the Caspian at some of their airbases (or airbases) in the region. We are starting to prepare the Tu-95 and Tu-160 for the flight. They see this with the help of satellite reconnaissance, trying to get Engels with cruise missiles from bombers. They suffer losses, bombing Kaliningrad in revenge. Here the Poles come into play, with their guns and tanks... Ukraine begins to pull troops to Perekop, arranging joyful squeals in the press that the Muscovites are finished.

Our people understand that the moment has passed. Again, as in 1941, we were caught with our pants down, without AWACS aircraft, with a minimum stock of cruise missiles, without torpedoes in the submarine, with submarines stuck for many years under repair, without minesweepers, with a broken aircraft carrier, without the required number of aircraft refueling personnel, with a minimum of high-precision weapons for aviation, with Baltic corvettes stuck in bases and killed at the piers, without anti-submarine aircraft. In general, “if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign” (and if other jingoistic patriotism did not frighten anyone again), the unwillingness of the Russians to think with their heads again led to the same thing that always led to: an attempt by neighbors to break in and forcefully amputate the non-working "Nominally" Russian heads.

At this moment, our command will face two questions:

“At what point will the enemies sweep us away (if not to use nuclear weapons)? And at what stage should nuclear weapons be introduced into the war in order to ensure the maximum effect from their use? "


That is, the wishlist of hurray-patriots (ready to break anyone who doubts the need to clean guns with bricks) and reality just close up here - we do not pull out without nuclear weapons.

The beginning of nuclear planning will require a miscalculation of its steps to the apogee - before the massive use of strategic nuclear weapons against enemy territory. Not because we definitely want it. But because instead of nuclear "de-escalation", there may well be nuclear escalation. And the enemy will begin to raise the stakes with nuclear weapons. This means that we need to calculate where and when we will launch our missiles. Just to be ready for it.

Here we must make a reservation that targeting an intercontinental ballistic missile is still a process. Just like that, by pressing a dozen buttons, it is impossible to do it. For obvious reasons, the author cannot reveal this topic even in the form of a hint.

Let's just say that by some miracle, it was possible to retarget all the missiles. It was possible to deploy NSNF without losses (let's say the US Navy was also not ready for the whims of old Joe), to disperse the PGRK and strategic aviation. That is, from the point of view of a nuclear war, we have ideal conditions to start: we have the initiative, all the launch vehicles and missiles are in line and deployed, there are no losses, we choose the time of the strike.

You have to understand that even with the scenario with Joe Biden, there will be no such idyll. The question will be that at least something has time to start. But we deliberately leave this "out of brackets" in order to show the reliability of the rate on nuclear weapons.

So, how can we jump around the United States? We proceed from the position of the jingoistic patriots that in response to a non-nuclear attack, we use nuclear weapons. So, American ICBMs are in the mines. After all, it is profitable for the enemy to finish the job without nuclear weapons, he does not want a nuclear war, he wants to bend everyone and dominate over all of humanity, he does not need to rake the radioactive ruins of his cities, he has other plans.

Thus, we are faced with the need to destroy American ICBMs, otherwise they will strike our country. They, of course, will not hit alone. There are also missiles on submarines. But this is a separate issue. In any case, we will not destroy submarines at sea with our own strategic weapons, so we will omit this for now.

How many missiles do we have and how many targets does the enemy have?

Thanks to START-3, we thoroughly know the answer to these questions. For example, for 2019, the statistics looked like this.

Russia

Strategic Missile Forces:
Monoblock ICBMs - 141
ICBM with MIRV - 177
Total ICBMs - 318
Total charges - 1165
Air Force:
Bombers - Tu-95 - 55 units, Tu-160 - 13 units. The number of nuclear-armed cruise missiles is not exactly known. It can be assumed that about 800. The same number of warheads. These aircraft, most likely, cannot use bombs.
Navy:
11 RPLSN, each carries 16 SLBMs with MIRVs. The number of charges according to Western data is 720. Disclaimer - SLBMs, due to specific initial starting conditions, are distinguished by reduced accuracy compared to ICBMs and are of little use for a first strike.

In addition, traditional Russian military doctrines require the NSNF to be viewed as a means of putting pressure on the adversary in an attempt to achieve peace on acceptable terms. That is, they, roughly speaking, are needed "loaded", with missiles, including during the conflict.

Unlike the United States, Russia does not have the technical ability to recharge RPLSN launchers outside of bases, which makes it impossible to use them to deliver multiple strikes against the enemy.

Thus, we have 318 ICBMs with 1165 warheads of the fast and relatively accurate first strike weapons. To strike in the second wave - 68 bombers (a missile salvo of 486 ALCMs, provided that the Kh-55 is used on the Tu-95MS, and 102 missiles are used by all Kh-376 bombers).

The use of SLBMs is optional and must be retained as a negotiating lever. And are they accurate enough? And we will return to them later.

Now we count the goals.

The United States has 400 Minuteman ICBMs in silo launchers. The Americans keep another 50 silo launchers in combat readiness without missiles so that we do not know exactly where to aim our missiles. These mines serve as decoys.

Organizationally, the missiles are deployed in three districts, each under the control of one of the Air Force missile (air) wings - 90, 91 and 341.


American ICBM bases.


Below is the layout of the positional areas of 91 "missile wings" of three "squadrons" at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota.


Crosses and stars - KP. In addition to them, there is also the GKP. White rectangles - checkpoints, which are on duty. Circles are communication nodes. Lines are communications.


As you can see, in addition to the mines, it is necessary to hit the command posts, which are based on 14 (main command post, 3 command post of squadrons, 10 control posts with duty shifts) and two communication centers. That is, there are about 16 more targets in addition to silos.

Without going into too much detail and assuming that everything is about the same at other bases, together with empty mines, we get that, with a plus to silos, we need to cover 48 more targets or so. Total 498.

But there are also command bunkers, such as the well-known bunker in Colorado Springs (Cheyenne Mountain). And he is not alone there. There is also the 1st Naval Communications Air Wing, which provides communications with American SSBNs. And bases with bombers, storage of tactical nuclear weapons of the Air Force and the Navy, naval bases with submarines and destroyers, each of which could theoretically strike our territory at some point.

The Americans know how to quickly withdraw their forces from under attack. Here, for example, is their training withdrawal from a missile attack by bombers and tankers. In the video, the planes are carrying real nuclear bombs. And they don't need to download any flight missions. If the situation changes during the flight to the target, radio communication is sufficient. And so that the necessary cards are on board.


Video from the US exercise "Global Shield 1983"



And this is probably the most desperate take-off that the Americans have posted on the Internet.


They must be hit with ICBMs. You can't rely on the CD from bombers. They will arrive too late.

How many missiles do we have in the first salvo? 381 pieces? And how many targets did the enemy have? You can safely plan that there are much more than 500 of them, we won't be mistaken. Moreover, some targets are such that they cannot be covered with one warhead.

We look at the Pacific "focus of evil" - the Kitsap naval base (combined by Bangor and Bremerton, Washington, Seattle).


Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


The diagram shows a very accurate blow of a warhead with an equivalent of 800 kilotons. This is a "Topolev" monoblock. It can be seen that the former Bangor with its famous triangular pier has been completely destroyed. But even the shock wave did not reach the former Bremerton (where the submarines now stand).

Taking into account the relatively low accuracy of even ICBM warheads, it is clear that 3-5 BB are needed to guarantee the destruction of all military installations, submarines and ships. And you cannot skip this stage. After all, not only are we so smart to hit rockets from the pier. And if someone from "Ohio" escapes from there without a volley, then no one will seem a little later.

That is, for many of the targets listed above, you will need several warheads.

At this stage, the hurray-patriot gets the first blow in the stomach. About "glazing". It turns out that we have enough rockets and warheads close and tight to neutralize the American potential for a retaliatory or retaliatory oncoming strike (their missiles, submarines in bases, bombers, command centers, communications centers and nuclear weapons depots).

Well, or really, to be completely honest - not enough at all. Simply because there are too many targets, and we have too few warheads. If you distribute targets so that scattered objects hit SLBMs (the same Kitsap and similar bases), then "vnatyag" can be enough for the entire American "nuclear sword".

And this is in addition to SSBNs and bombers in the air, at alternate airfields and in other places that we do not know about, which are in combat service.

But at the same time:

1. The population of the enemy almost does not suffer. His losses are great only in a few cities, such as San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, etc. Basically, it learns about a nuclear strike on the United States from various emergency alert means, if not from News... The death toll will be several million of the approximately 330 million US population.

2. The military industry will hardly be affected. Almost all military factories and design bureaus will remain unharmed.

3. Many Air Force units will not be affected. And it is possible that by the time our bombers reach the missile launch line, the Americans will be able to regain control of part of their forces.

4. The allies of the USA, the network of their military bases around the world, and the troops on them will not go anywhere.

5. US diplomatic alliances will remain in effect.

6. Most important. We have lost our SLBMs. Now we have no trump cards. Our strategic nuclear weapons are used up. We can no longer hit the enemy. And the enemy understands this. Or you have to come to terms with the lack of force of the first strike. With the fact that we just didn't hit all the targets we needed.

This will be the case until the second wave of bombers. Further, for the United States, everything will worsen. Other targets will come under attack, not their strategic nuclear forces. The map below shows US estimates of targets for our nuclear strike against them. Naturally, this is not intelligence. But there is a lot of truth in this scheme.


Black dots - Russia hits first, inflicts incl. counterforce strike of approximately 2000 warheads, incl. on mine PU. Triangles - strike with 500 warheads, we do not touch silos, we must assume that this is a retaliatory strike by the surviving forces. Red squares are cities, stars are state capitals. It is easy to see that very little “arrives” in the US population even with 2000 BB. Source: Armen Pogharian (http://www.armenpogharian.com)


As you can see, nothing "glazed" will work. Although the military-economic potential of the United States will be weakened and greatly. But not to death.

This is the main and most difficult conclusion for any jingoistic patriot. Even the full use of Russian nuclear weapons against America will not completely destroy it. Moreover, the entire military potential of this country will not be neutralized.

At some point, it turns out that we have almost completely used up our missiles. Angered them to the point of loss of adequacy. So much blood has been shed that any truce is now ruled out. And everything will go according to the "only one will remain" scheme, with the unconditional destruction of one of the parties to the conflict as a result of the war. But at the same time, the United States will still have a military industry. There will still be population dominance. And there will be fully combat-ready armed forces, albeit with huge losses.

The war will continue.

And this is all under the ideal set of circumstances. An unrequited nuclear strike that the enemy missed. But it won't be like that?

Imperfect circumstances


For the sake of completeness, let's supplement the idyllic (yes, it was her above) picture with a few strokes from the real world. First, like ours, the enemy has intelligence, early warning systems, satellites. The enemy understands perfectly well that at a certain moment we can reach for the nuclear button. And he will do everything possible to work in this case in advance.

With the highest degree of probability, an attempt to strike as described above, and according to this scheme (strike only by strategic nuclear forces) in the real world will end with a retaliatory strike.

In addition, the enemy has the ability to strike back. Due to the fact that Russia is a continental power and the development of its fleet does not want to study. As a result, American SSBNs can operate relatively freely. And we have nothing to prevent their retaliation.

In addition, tactical aircraft have nuclear bombs, which we cannot destroy all of.

And of course, no one will ever allow us, in the course of a conflict that has already begun on the initiative of the enemy, to calmly deploy strategic nuclear forces. As mentioned above, the question will be whether we will have time to start anything at all if everything is so sudden.

High instantaneous losses can rarely demoralize someone right away. Usually they make people angry and do not suppress the will to resist, but kindle it. This is exactly what will happen on the side of the enemy.

Diplomatic alliances, purely due to inertia, cannot quickly collapse. In order for the NATO allies to go into battle, it will simply be necessary to convince their leaders over the phone that the US President is in control of the situation and the Russians will soon end.

This is then (sometime), when they have already got into the American war by the reflex they have developed during their lives, it will reach them that everything is a little wrong (if everything is much different). But it will be too late to quit. First, the US allies will go to war against us. Then they will begin to think what is there and how.

All this (we repeat) will take place in conditions when our strategic nuclear weapons are completely used up, including cruise missiles for bombers.

This is how a real attempt to "glaze" will look like. And it will have a long and bloody continuation. Perhaps for many years. And this is a big question:

"Who will fall first?"


Population blow


It makes sense to consider another option. Everything that was described above is the so-called "counterforce strike". That is, a blow to the potential for a nuclear war.

Let's imagine the opposite scenario - “counter-value”. That is, a blow to the population.

For all the cruelty of this phrase, it is the fear of large losses among the population that is the main deterrent. Any country would come to terms with the loss of several tens of thousands of soldiers for the sake of victory in a war that its people consider right and necessary. And the population is another matter. This is real value. Up to a certain limit, of course.

The threat of a counter-value strike is the basis of nuclear deterrence, and therefore peace on Earth.

Interesting, but that's how it turns out. The question, however, is what kind of population losses the enemy is ready to face. Not only morally, but also organizationally. That is, his ability to continue the war with such losses will not be lost.

In the 60s, the Americans considered the loss of several tens of millions of people in the war against the USSR acceptable. That is, it was about the fact that up to of the population is the normal price of victory.

Another thing is that it was undesirable. And that's why they never started such a war. Although they were very close to it. For example, during the Cuban missile crisis.

How much has the environment changed now? Most likely, it hasn't changed at all. Today in the United States a generation is in power, whose teenage years fell just at the time when it was undesirable to lose 30-40 million for the sake of defeating the communists, but on the whole it was acceptable.

In principle, we can assume that the loss of the entire population will be unacceptable for the US authorities. Everything else can be admitted only with a certain degree of probability. But how much can our missiles hypothetically destroy?

Let's first estimate the distribution of the population across the United States. It is uneven.



It must be understood that the column refers to the agglomeration as a whole. But within itself, the population is often dispersed. Below, for example, is shown a typical example of human settlement in Los Angeles. Because of this settlement, American cities are often simply huge, and the population density is low.


One house - one family. Basically. Source: Nate Bovee (iStock)


At the same time, it is difficult to hit him, one must literally "sow" the entire area with warheads in order to inflict more or less significant losses.

But it is dispersed at the national level as well. Let's give a concrete example.



This stockade of charts, stretching from Virginia to Massachusetts, is home to about 50 million people, if you count the population of various small towns. Moreover, in large cities, the population density is, of course, higher. In general, this zone is often one continuous agglomeration; when crossing state or municipal boundaries, building is sometimes not interrupted.

What outfit of forces is needed in order to inflict more or less tangible losses on the population of this agglomeration?

Let's first look at the impact on the northern metropolis in this system - Boston. This is also a simulation of the Topol-M warhead.


Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


How many such explosions do we need to cover the entire zone? More than fifty.


Source: Alex Wellrstain's Nukemap


This is a lot. When struck with monoblock missiles, these are two divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces. In principle, if it is possible to dissolve the warheads of missiles with MIRVed missiles in order to provide such a cover, then one can get by with a salvo of one incomplete regiment with silos. Or even one RPLSN, also with an incomplete salvo (or rather a series of launches) - the submarine can participate in the counter-value strike "without discounts."

How many people will die as a result of such a blow? Approximately 30-40 million at the time of the destruction of designated targets.

That is, we are talking about about 10% of the US population. For us, this is a significant part of our missile arsenal.

But, as can be seen from the density distribution map, there are several such zones in the United States. After we destroy them, the US population will decline by somewhere between 25-40%. The industrial potential will be greatly weakened, but it will not disappear. But it will simply not be possible to show the same results further - the population is much better dispersed. That is, we can, apparently, having used up all our missiles, kill as many more people. And this will be the limit.

At the same time, we must make allowances for the fact that we do not know exactly what the losses will be in cities with dense development. On the one hand, there are many people there and they are boring. On the other hand, high-rise buildings closely standing one behind the other, even when they collapse, extinguish the shock wave (this is pure physics). This factor is especially pronounced in the case of a ground explosion or an explosion at a low altitude.

The image shows the calculated results of detonating a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon in Times Square, Manhattan, New York. The approximate loss of such an explosion is 550 people.


1 ꟷ Flash zone, "fireball", everything burns out, everyone perishes. 2 ꟷ Zone of continuous destruction and fires. 3 ꟷ A zone of extensive destruction and fires, many survivors are already appearing here, strong radioactive contamination begins to decline. 4 ꟷ Massive, but tolerable destruction, collapse of some structures, broken glass and doors, overturned cars, many survivors. Source: New York Magazine by Gluekit (nymag.com)


Obviously, the Hiroshima at ground level New York would “take it and spit it out”. An air explosion will have a different nature of damage on the ground, and their scope will be higher, but not fatal.

And what if the Topol's 800-kiloton warhead is dropped? Then Manhattan is basically the end, and the neighborhoods on the neighboring shores will be destroyed very much too. But in general, New York at the time of the impact will not lose even half of the population. It won't even lose a third. It is estimated that no more than 4,7 million people will die in the city when one Topol-M warhead strikes Manhattan (with a population of more than 18 million people, and including illegal immigrants, more than 20 million people).



The affected areas are in the same way as in the figure above, on the same scale - the upper 10 kilotons, the lower ꟷ 800 kilotons. The difference is clearly visible. And it (as it should be) is not proportional to the difference in equivalent. Source: New York Magazine by Gluekit (nymag.com)


You can model many different ways, but the output at the end will be the same anyway.

The use of all our missiles in a counter-value (against the population) strike will neither lead to the complete death of the US population, nor to the immediate destruction of at least half of it. Even close. And in the hands of all the survivors there will be enough funds to then fight for many years. And the mobilization potential after such a strike will allow it to be done.

Radiation factor


But maybe radioactive contamination will help the jingoistic patriots turn "the whole world to dust"?
In fact, radioactive contamination will indeed significantly increase enemy losses. Moreover, what is most important, even with a counterforce strike, when the population hardly gets hit (with our number of missiles and warheads this is so), radiation will still do its dirty work.
Unreacted parts of the warhead, nuclear reaction products, isotopes, radioactive dust and soil released into the atmosphere will generally create a zone of radioactive contamination. Larger than the affected area of ​​a nuclear explosion. Moreover, wind and precipitation will carry radioactive elements to a sufficiently large distance from the explosion. But mostly in one direction.

Here is a map of radioactive "tails" according to one of the scenarios of an attack on the United States.


Legend: white zones - no radioactive contamination at all. Yellow - yes, but not dangerous, no shelter required. Green - it takes 2 to 7 days in a shelter to avoid harm to health and risk to life. Blue - dangerous zones, up to 3 weeks in the shelter. Lilac - zones of heavy pollution, being outside the shelter is dangerous for more than 3 weeks (in fact, it can be much more). Red - zones of continuous fires, clearly radioactive. Naturally, these are rough estimates. Source: Martin Vargic


As you can see, the "coverage" is great. However, the following factors must be considered.

First, such radioactive contamination is not an instant process. Some people will have time to leave. Second, emergency decontamination measures can locally reduce the effects of an explosion. Thirdly, even the defeat of people with this radiation will not lead them to instant death - some will be able to live long enough to contribute to the ongoing war in one form or another. And fourthly, as the contamination zone spreads, the radiation will weaken, the concentration of radioactive particles will fall. This will not make it safe to stay in contaminated areas, but it will definitely reduce losses.


The same explosion in Manhattan, a radioactive trail about 100 km long. The orange zone is a heavy pollution hazardous to health. Yellow - a risk to health, the likelihood of contracting cancer in the future is about 10% higher than normal. Source: New York Magazine by Gluekit (nymag.com)


Radiation will kill for a long time. Much longer than necessary for the losses from it to become large enough for the situation that the enemy will be forced to surrender in one form or another.

At the same time, these effects should not be overestimated. They may not be as scary as people think. So, at the site of the explosion of AN602, it was possible to be without risk to life just a few hours after it.

In a global sense, the devastating effect of radiation is absolutely overestimated. From the beginning of nuclear tests and until the complete prohibition of nuclear explosions in the air, water, above the ground and in space, many thousands of nuclear tests were carried out on our planet. And the harm that they caused to people turned out to be minimal, although not zero.


All nuclear explosions in history Except Israeli ones. Israel in this video, as usual, "bounced". Together with my South African friends. But we know.


A little bit of the real world


In reality, of course, there will be no “purely counter-force” strikes by all forces, including SLBMs, or purely “counter-value” strikes against the population. The war is not waged for the mass destruction of someone. It is conducted for the sake of achieving some goals: from changing the world for the better for oneself to ensuring the need to survive.

Therefore, of course, there will be strikes against nuclear weapons. As well as strikes on objects of the economy, which may allow the war to continue further. But strikes “on the population” are already pure retribution.

This already, if it happens, then only when we have completely lost. When our leadership and military command allowed the death of the population of the Russian Federation on a scale that makes the continuation of Russia's existence impossible.

And then these blows will be delivered. But - by the means remaining to this moment. And nothing more.

That is, we are, of course, in heaven. But not all of them will die. In this case.

Nothing "glazed" will work.

In addition, it should be understood that the enemy will try to predict the moment when our nuclear weapons, both tactical and strategic, will be used. He will try to destroy it preemptively, disrupt control of it and buy time for a counterforce strike.

Moreover, the opponent seems to be leaning towards the first blow. That is, to start bombing us ourselves.

In fact, the most realistic assessment of what a nuclear war is is the Soviet approach to the issue. It is simply a big and terrible war, during which nuclear weapons, including strategic ones, are used "to the entire depth of the rear."

The use of nuclear weapons, even the first successful application, does not guarantee anything. It does not even lead to the end of hostilities. It does not guarantee the enemy's exit from the war, victory, or even non-defeat. It does not ensure that the war will not continue as a war of annihilation.

It guarantees only a significant increase in enemy losses. Moreover, not fatal for him. And no more.

The most pessimistic options for the United States speak of halving its population in the event of a successful counter-value strike. And the complete failure of the US authorities in eliminating its consequences. And this process will drag on for at least a year. During which people will die no longer from nuclear weapons, but from devastation, hunger, lack of drugs and the like. "

But even in this case, there will be more of them than we ourselves are now, without any losses. And we cannot do without losses in this situation. And that's to say the least.

Our specific vulnerabilities are also worth mentioning here. Our population is crowded in cities, in areas with dense urban development. And its density (and therefore vulnerability) is often higher than that of the Americans. And in winter (plus all other factors) the survivors will also be killed by the cold. A small population in such a huge area will call into question the sufficiency of the forces required for decontamination.

In general, we ourselves are no more vulnerable to a nuclear strike than the people of the United States. This must be taken into account in any calculations.

So how should we view nuclear war?

First, one must clearly understand that it is preferable to "settle" everything without nuclear weapons than with them.

And this is already a reason for all considerations like "Why should we invest in torpedoes and missiles if we still have to use nuclear weapons?" send to landfill immediately.

Even if we really have to do so, then what to fight with? After such a bloodletting, the enemy will have to be finished off. How can we do this if we have no other tools other than bloodletting and instruments? And the opponent has something. And he has a numerical superiority.

In addition, if we plan to use strategic nuclear weapons, then we need to choose the right moment for this. For example, to give the enemy the impression that we are going to defeat him without nuclear weapons. And for this it will be necessary to inflict a series of severe defeats on it without nuclear weapons. Win the right time (for dispersing the population and mobilization reserves). And only then beat.

And this requires the same thing as for a non-nuclear war. There is simply no difference.

Nuclear weapons are just another very powerful weapon. No more. They alone will not win a serious war, like no other single type of weapon. And its presence, as well as the readiness to use it as part of an offensive operation, does not in any way negate the need to prepare for war in principle: from designing good shoes for soldiers to practicing non-nuclear strikes against enemy naval groupings, moreover, multiple ones.

Superweapons do not exist and cannot be invented.

This hackneyed truth, which some people so much do not want to understand, applies to nuclear missiles as well. We will have to fight with the maximum tension of forces without any nuclear weapons, ensure the surprise of their combat use, disperse the population and reserves in advance, mislead the enemy's intelligence in order to prevent him from seeing all this.

And then, after the use of nuclear missiles, continue to fight further, keep the blows and suffer losses. And so on until complete victory. And for this you need to have something to fight - both before the missiles, and without it.

Alas, we don't think about it. How, for example, to deliver nuclear strikes against the United States after the exhaustion of ballistic and cruise missiles? The Americans have an answer - with bombs. But our bombers cannot do that. And even having bombs won't help. And we have a lot of such punctures.

Unfortunately, due to the extremely aggressive US policy, the likelihood of a nuclear war is growing.

Moreover, a number of American military preparations indicate that they are preparing for this: to wage a nuclear war with the use of strategic weapons, and it is precisely for a surprise attack first. This is a very serious threat.

With this in mind, we need to stop perceiving nuclear weapons as a kind of fetish and a 100% guarantee of our security. This is not true. It's just a very powerful and terrible weapon and nothing more. For our main enemy, it does not even guarantee his exit from the war. In the light of the latest trends in the United States, it does not guarantee non-aggression from the American side - it no longer guarantees. And in the future, its role as a deterrent will rapidly decline. And the value as a powerful tool for solving strategic or even operational (just like that) tasks is to grow. Regardless of our view of the issue.

But apart from general-purpose forces, from non-nuclear weapons, from tactical nuclear weapons and without appropriate preparation for combat use, they will not save us. Apart from all of the above, we cannot even inflict an effective strike on the United States. Such strength that they have lost the ability to fight even if there is a desire to do it (and they will have it at any loss).

We need to prepare general-purpose forces for war as if there were no nuclear weapons. And only then it (this weapon) can really help us. And it is not useless to anger the enemy, and make the conflict insoluble even by force.

We must understand all this as quickly as possible. There is every reason to believe that a "test of strength" is not far off.
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  1. 0
    9 December 2020 15: 10
    Quote: Hagen
    If you want to present your view on a highly specialized topic, then prove that you are an expert in this topic.


    Okay, specialist, Timokhin cannot prove that he simply understands what he is writing about)
  2. +1
    9 December 2020 16: 19
    Quote: lucul
    not at all - by the capabilities of native speakers.

    Well, here's a carrier - a super-tanker with a displacement of 500 tons comes into the port of America, and on board is a hydrogen bomb, 000 tons of dry weight. Can you imagine its power in TNT equivalent? ))))

    And these idiots (Americans), of course, won’t track anything. They're so stupid. And you probably have no idea about the checks in the Black Sea in the late 80s. But remotely, the Americans and I determined which of the 16 launch containers of the Slava-class cruiser contained a mock-up of a nuclear charge???

    Quote: ccsr
    Therefore, all the tales that the country can quickly recover from nuclear strikes are designed for naive people - everything will be much more tragic than the author of the article believes.

    You've smoothed the corners too much. For several years (6-10 years) I was the head of the freelance fire-fighting group of the Ministry of Emergency Situations at our organization. Regularly (every 2-3 years) they underwent retraining. So I can say for sure. It will be not just more tragic, but “very tragic.” In fact, all plans are designed for the possibility of evacuating cities to the countryside. The truth is, no one says what happens next. How is it possible to accommodate, for example, 400 thousand people in the area closest to the city, and most importantly, where - no one says. And the infrastructure of rural settlements is not designed for such a number of “new settlers”

    Quote: Poganini
    P.S. Can you tell me if newbies have some sort of quota for their pros and cons? They don’t even let me downvote anyone! Yes, and plus too.

    Sergey! Of course, I won’t say for sure, but most likely this is due to the fact that you have a negative rating. Therefore, I agree with Alexander (Boa constrictor KAA) - write what you think is necessary, but try to be “neutral” at the same time. Show your view more often, based on your knowledge, and not on supporting or denying someone else's point of view. And most importantly, it is reasoned.
    I know the downside - long posts. But at the same time, my posts are based on my knowledge and, accordingly, on my view of the problem. The main thing is that it is reasoned. And each of us received a lot of disadvantages. Especially if you say something that goes against the opinion of the teachers

    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    but this is strictly according to official data.. for example Stavropol 450t. In any case, this is another 100 thousand unaccounted for (students who came from villages) and Mikhailovsk -150 thousand, i.e. already 700t..

    Nikolai! I think that there are still more than 100 thousand unaccounted for. Look at Tashla. There, in the late 90s and early 2000s, “palaces” began to grow, in which officially 2-3 people live, but in fact a dozen and a half. Plus, many of the neighboring areas live there. but they work in Stavropol. At my former job, at least 4 people were in this situation. The director and the caretaker lived in Grachevka, one of the employees lived in Beshpagir, and one of the drivers lived in Staromaryevka. And they came to work in Stavropol every day

    Quote: staer-62
    I have always said that any arms limitation treaty is unprofitable for us. I do not understand the meaning of such restrictions if all of Europe and the United States are against us. From this article it can be seen that we are kapets in any case, after all, he does not take into account Europe, and we will not have the strength for it at all.

    Are you so sure? Then answer the question: why is the same START-3 treaty bad for Russia? The limitation on deployed carriers and warheads allowed us to carry out rearmament calmly and without tension. And taking into account the fact that we have a couple of missile factories left, in contrast to the number of factories in the USSR, we will be able to produce about 50 ICBMs and SLBMs per year.
    But at the same time, the Americans were forced to limit their carriers and warheads. Otherwise it would have been what could have been. In 2000-2020, we intensively decommissioned our Topols (of which there were about 390 units), decommissioned almost a hundred missiles with MIRV UR-100N/100N UTTH, heavy missiles of the R-36M family (R-36M, R-36M UTTH, R-36M2 "Voevoda"). Without the treaty, the Americans would have had strategic nuclear forces several times superior to ours

    Quote: Volder
    With the advent of Poseidon, we will not have to destroy civilian infrastructure with intercontinental ballistic missiles. ICBMs will only target military targets.

    Dmitriy! There is no point in turning this non-existent “Poseidon” into another wunderwaffe. There is no talk of any destruction of US civilian infrastructure. . Do not forget that in order for a tidal wave to be of great height, the following conditions are necessary (from memory). Detonation at great depth and jamming not far from the shore, the depth should quickly become shallow. So, on the east coast, the depths that theoretically allow such a wave to be obtained are located at a distance of about 400 km. And even a 1--mt charge produces a wave 200-400 meters high at a distance of 5 miles. At a distance of 500 km, the height will be a dozen or two meters (if you do not take into account the structure of the bottom). Therefore, it will not be possible to build something like a tsunami on the east coast. Conditions are better on the west coast, but even there the wave will not go hundreds or thousands of kilometers into the interior of the United States. In essence, there will be an ordinary underwater nuclear explosion with all the consequences. so the maximum that such a “Poseidon” can destroy is a naval base and its surroundings. The benefit is that you won't need multiple charges, as with an ICBM. And taking into account the fact that all the talk about a 100 or even 200 mt charge is nothing more than fake, the charge there will probably be less than 10 mt. This means there will simply be no apocalypse from Poseidon

    Quote: certero
    And now the correct answer to all the author’s arguments. North Korea still exists and the Americans did not bomb it. Why? Because the North Koreans have several atomic weapons.

    Do you seriously think that the presence of 10-20 charges and several ballistic missiles ensured the security of the DPRK? This “reserve” is of no use to anyone. If a political decision had been made to start a war against North Korea, the Americans would have gone for it. Moreover, the entire reserve would go mainly to the allies (Japan, South Korea)
  3. -1
    9 December 2020 16: 45
    The author of the article shows off that he is supposedly related to the strategic forces of the Russian Federation, and judging by his article, it seems that he did not even serve in a construction battalion and did not graduate from the military department at a university. So, on the points of all this nonsense: 1) It is impossible not to take into account the effect of radiation and contamination of the area and at the same time shout that there will be relatively few victims of a nuclear strike. In the same Chernobyl, there were less than 5 people who suffered directly from the explosion of the block, it seems 3, the body of 1 was never found at all, and how many died from radiation sickness?! But here the figure is already serious, and many died within 24-72 hours. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki, too, within 24 - 72 hours after the explosion of tactical nuclear warheads there, in modern times, most of the residents died, but the American bombs Baby and Fat Boy had a power of only 15 - 20 megatons. Even the Soviet Kh-55 cruise missile has a 50 megaton warhead. 2) Before writing nonsense, you need to know ALL the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion and the blast wave, and the author only takes it into account, only one of many. I have already written about damaging radiation. You can read what this is from the example of accidents at nuclear reactors of Soviet nuclear submarines. People are dying like flies without a scratch on their body, only from radioactive burns and radiation damage to internal organs. As for the performance of the equipment, it is also not a fact, since one of the factors of damage in a nuclear explosion is electromagnetic radiation. And here everything depends on the power of the explosion and the degree of protection of the object. Most objects have insufficient protection to protect them not only from a direct hit, but also from a relatively close explosion. The degree of protection of an object determines what kind of damage it will receive, and here the most vulnerable part of the object is the person. The protection can partially protect against a nuclear strike, extending the life of personnel for some time, but the radiation doses they receive will not leave them a chance for a long life. These people will only have a few days left to live. Such facilities will be able to continue operating only if a relatively small nuclear charge explodes a hundred kilometers from them, no more. Of course, the central command posts are better protected, but there are fewer of them. 3) Then the author writes nonsense that the Russian Federation has less than 400 ICBMs, but he counted There are already more than 500 targets in the USA. For the author's information, ICBM warheads strike from space and separate in space, after which each warhead attacks its target. For example, the old Soviet ICBM, known in the West as Satan, carries 10 nuclear warheads and thus 1 Satan ICBM covers 10 objects (cities, for example). The new nuclear-powered ICBMs carry up to 4 warheads each, and exactly how many of them are determined is a military secret. The notorious Bulava carries up to 6 warheads each. Most cruise missiles carry hundreds of nuclear warheads. For example, Kh-55 missiles without a nuclear warhead were not produced at all, and the Russian Federation only received 2500 such missiles from Ukraine in payment of gas debts, with a launch range of up to 2500 km. All Kh-55SM missiles carry a nuclear warhead. All Kh-101 missiles carry a nuclear warhead; missiles with a conventional warhead are called Kh-102. Some of the Caliber, Granit, Vulkan, Iskander, Tochka-U, and Smerch missiles carry a nuclear warhead; there are even 152 mm shells for Msta-S self-propelled guns with a nuclear charge. It is known that until recently the Russian Federation had 30000 tactical nuclear warheads of varying power. 4) If nuclear weapons were just a big bomb, as the author claims, they would not be afraid of them and would be used left and right, just as high-power aerial bombs were previously used, such as the Soviet FAB-1000, FAB-1500, FAB- 2000, FAB-3500, FAB-5000, FAB-6000, FAB-9000, German air bombs of 1000 kg, 1800 kg, Little Max -2500 kg, British You (Earthquake) -5000 kg and the like. Instead, we see that under Trump, the United States began rearming its strategic forces, producing high-precision tactical nuclear warheads, hoping to use them to disable the strategic targets of its potential opponents.
    1. +2
      9 December 2020 17: 48
      Some kind of stream of consciousness. You should at least be embarrassed. And then 50 megatons fell on Hiroshima...
      It is necessary to have a bite.
      1. +1
        10 December 2020 14: 21
        15 megatons fell on Hiroshima, read more carefully. I wrote that cruise missiles in service with the Russian Federation have a 50 megaton warhead.
        1. +1
          10 December 2020 14: 27
          The power of the fat man's explosion was, according to various estimates, 13-18 KILOtons - 2,5-3 THOUSAND times less than what you write.
          Cruise missiles have never reached 50 megatons; in the entire history of mankind, only one bomb has reached 50 megatons.
          Calm down already, please.
          And then you already have some glitches.
          1. +1
            10 December 2020 16: 09
            I wrote that the Kid had a power of 15 kt, and the Fat Man had a power of 20 kt. Read more carefully. Open Wikipedia or something. There was a little confusion with the names of the missiles (they confused the Kh-101 with the Kh-102), but the power of the nuclear warhead is indicated (from 250 kt to 1 mt). I don’t have a glitch, I’m a nice man, I’m an officer with not sour shoulder straps and I got 5 ten. The power of the Kh-55SM warhead is from 200 to 500 kt. At least learn to use the Internet, well, for starters
  4. -1
    9 December 2020 16: 46
    The author, of course, worked hard, competent text, beautiful pictures. But as you read, the thought that you were reading the script of a computer toy was haunting. We have X units and M charges flying at them. N charges are destroyed on approach, we immediately lose 0,1 X, then another 0,4 X, great, half are available, arranging a zerg rush to the enemy base. What is the composition of the remaining half? How many of them are old people, children under 12 years old? How many of those remaining are capable, ready and willing to move across the ocean to another continent and fight further and, most importantly, for what?
    Further. Let’s assume that the respected author’s calculations are correct, the United States has more than half of its population left, and a significant part of its industry and energy sector has not been completely destroyed. Question: where will the raw materials for this industry come from? How much steel and aluminum does the US currently produce? Where do they get copper and rare earths? Where do microprocessors come from, without which irons and kettles cannot do? Now all this is mostly imported. Let's assume that nothing happened to the suppliers and they are not even averse to supplying anything to the USA. But another question immediately arises: how will the Americans pay for these imports? Will everyone continue to accept dollars as payment for copper and platinum and calmly put them in a box? Who would need the money of a country covered in radioactive wasteland with a population desperately trying to survive? And if not a dollar, then what?
  5. -2
    9 December 2020 17: 31
    Невероятно!
    This is “skill”, the author literally himself established the problem and heroically defeated it.
    Hmmm... you need to learn this skill.

    A typical “hurray-patriot” with a patch in the form of a “pink pony” with bulging eyes rushes to attack

    This author is really unlucky... is it really only such “patriots” that he comes across in his life? belay
    Maybe the author is simply wiping himself off on the wrong resources? laughing

    the worst thing is that the country's leaders believe in it

    WHAT, really?! Did the country's leaders personally tell the author about this, or did the author understand it based on some indirect evidence? Which ones exactly?

    But it’s not even this that worries us, but the fact that the author himself understands a large-scale war (consider the Third World War) as a banal exchange of nuclear weapons strikes... but this is not so.

    Don't kick me too hard, but I couldn't handle so many letters written with pathos crying

    I suggest readers of this epic read much more professional articles, links to which I have provided below:

    Strategy and tactics of nuclear war: “super blitz” is replacing “blitzkrieg”
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5df0b5a55ba2b500b1876116/strategiia-i-taktika-iadernoi-voiny-superblic-prihodit-na-smenu-blickrigu-5f39a0c681e9f663adf9b184
    This article is basically about what military science is in simple and understandable language.

    и

    Nuclear War - Strategic Analysis (Part 1): America Attacks Russia
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5df0b5a55ba2b500b1876116/iadernaia-voina-strategicheskii-analiz-chast-1-amerika-atakuet-rossiiu-5f41a4dccbf6944fad0b9346

    Good luck to everyone! good
    1. 0
      9 December 2020 18: 24
      And someone believes that Putin and his friends will throw these missiles at the USA and Western Europe! What will they throw at their expensive real estate, at the banks in which the stolen money is hidden, at their children and beloved grandchildren, at their yachts, at the clinics in which they are accustomed to receive treatment and, in principle, they hope to go there to live in their old age! And throw an atomic bomb at all this??!! Well they are not like that! Rather, “by mistake,” it’s better to crash around your cities, so that you can then make money, which you will allocate, as if to restore the damage caused!! This is a familiar, safe, profitable thing, but what about the little people...? Then “women give birth to new ones”...
  6. +1
    9 December 2020 19: 32
    In any case, the Americans will never agree to a preventive nuclear strike. The risk is too great and unjustified. This can be determined simply by their rhetoric. I monitor the publications of the most influential experts representing the corporate establishment and setting the tone in American foreign policy - nuclear war is definitely not on their agenda. Another thing is that the United States will continue to develop its missile defense system in order to psychologically put pressure on the leadership of the Russian Federation and completely eliminate the possibility of using nuclear weapons in a conventional conflict. Speaking about conventional conflicts, Americans are also not interested in a full-scale protracted war against the Russian Federation because such a conflict would weaken their position in the confrontation with the PRC. The most likely scenario of American aggression is a short-term operation far from our borders - an unexpected attack on our contingent in the Syrian Arab Republic or the defeat of our KUG off the coast of Venezuela or something else like that. I recommend that the author direct his energy and expertise to working through just such scenarios. Take and describe, for example, what forces must be deployed in Syria in order to hold out for at least a week in the event of an American attack. Because with the advent of Biden, the likelihood of such limited local conflicts increases significantly...
  7. +3
    9 December 2020 20: 16
    Quote: Shadow041
    But the American bombs Baby and Tolstyat had a power of only 15 - 20 megatons.

    Have you tried to figure out the power of the nuclear warheads dropped on Japan before writing such nonsense? Maybe still 15-20 kilotons??

    Quote: Shadow041
    Even the Soviet Kh-55 cruise missile has a 50 megaton warhead.

    А 200 kilotons you do not want??? looks like you 50 megatons jammed

    Quote: Shadow041
    2) Before writing nonsense, you need to know ALL the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion and the blast wave, and the author only takes it into account, only one of many.

    Have you tried to carefully read the author’s article? After all, the point is that we are not capable of destroying the United States with our existing nuclear weapons arsenal. And shock waves are the most serious factor for the destruction of material assets.

    Quote: Shadow041
    3) Then the author writes nonsense that the Russian Federation has less than 400 ICBMs, but he has already counted more than 500 targets in the United States. For the author's information, ICBM warheads strike from space and separate in space, after which each warhead attacks its target. For example, the old Soviet ICBM, known in the West as Satan, carries 10 nuclear warheads and thus 1 Satan ICBM covers 10 objects (cities, for example).

    Do you think that this is not nonsense regarding the number of our ICBMs? Well, try adding it:
    2 ICBMs with the Avangard weapon, 36 ICBMs Topol, 78 ICBMs Topol-M, 140 ICBMs Yars. Plus about 26-46 Voevoda ICBMs (the first figure is the most realistic). Even with 46 “Voevodas”, how much does that add up to????

    Further. 1 “Satan” can cover 10 objects, no one argues here. But now you have a charge of 0,8-1 Mt (and this is the approximate power of one BG from “Satan”). Your goal is the same New York. Area - 784 sq. km.
    The maximum destruction from 1 MT of charge is 2,9 km. The area, respectively, is just over 26 square meters. km. Of the area of ​​New York it is 3,4%. radiation sickness of the 4th degree - 4,1% of the city area. In order to seriously hit a city, you need much more than even 10 Satan warheads. And to cover “for show” - 1 BG - 1 city - this is only “for ubmag”. In reality, there will be very few losses from 1 BG.

    Quote: Shadow041
    The new nuclear-powered ICBMs carry up to 4 warheads each, and exactly how many of them are determined is a military secret. The notorious Mace carries up to 6 warheads each.

    And what does this change? Considering that the BB power of the Yars and Bulava is less than that of the Satan?

    Quote: Shadow041
    For example, Kh-55 missiles without a nuclear warhead were not produced at all, and the Russian Federation only received 2500 such missiles from Ukraine in payment of gas debts, with a launch range of up to 2500 km. All Kh-55SM missiles carry a nuclear warhead. All Kh-101 missiles carry a nuclear warhead; missiles with a conventional warhead are called Kh-102.

    Trim the sturgeon. From Ukraine, in addition to 8 TU-160 and 3 TU-95MS, we received 575 Kh-55 cruise missiles, which are now being decommissioned. All the missiles that our strategic aviation can lift in one sortie are 580 subsonic missiles, which are not suitable for a first strike, and no one knows how many of them will reach.

    All. I’m already tired of commenting on this stream of consciousness. LEARN MATERIAL PART
  8. +4
    9 December 2020 20: 36
    Quote: Eraser
    Further. Let’s assume that the respected author’s calculations are correct, the United States has more than half of its population left, and a significant part of its industry and energy sector has not been completely destroyed. Question: where will the raw materials for this industry come from? How much steel and aluminum does the US currently produce? Where do they get copper and rare earths? Where do microprocessors come from, without which irons and kettles cannot do? Now all this is mostly imported. Let's assume that nothing happened to the suppliers and they are not even averse to supplying anything to the USA. But another question immediately arises: how will the Americans pay for these imports? Will everyone continue to accept dollars as payment for copper and platinum and calmly put them in a box? Who would need the money of a country covered in radioactive wasteland with a population desperately trying to survive? And if not a dollar, then what?

    Dmitriy! Many of your questions are correct. But for example (2019), the US has power plants (approximate figures)
    • Coal - 738
    • Gas - 5952 (including many small ones)
    • Nuclear - 66
    • Hydroelectric power plants - 4041
    • Oil - 3647
    • Pumped storage - 153
    • Wind turbines - 1316
    • Wood (based on wood waste) - 346
    • Biomass - 1959
    • Geothermal - 170
    • Solar - 553
    • Various others - 64
    The total number of power plants is over 19. Even if 000% are destroyed, about 75 power plants will remain. Will the energy sector and industry collapse? Unlikely completely. At least the energy will remain. Yes, they will probably go down to the level of the early twentieth century, but it will remain. They have copper mines. Taking into account the fact that many industries will collapse, it will be sufficient. Microprocessors? What, you can’t go anywhere without them? They will return to the level of the middle of the last century....

    Payment means? Hard to tell. Perhaps weapons or something that suppliers do not have. The post-apocalyptic world is a different story...
    1. -1
      9 December 2020 21: 59
      What does the total number of power plants say? Nothing. Most of them are gas, but, for the most part, this means installations with 4-8 MW of installed capacity, powering small communities and villages. This also includes backup stations, including those with Capstone turbines with a capacity of 200 kW, assembled in clusters. The main industrial generation still comes from coal-fired stations. And right behind them are nuclear power plants with 20%. There also seem to be a lot of hydroelectric power stations, but mostly these are small local stations, with the exception, of course, of monsters like Niagara and Hoover Dam, but these can not be considered, since they themselves are targets in 99% of cases, just like NPP. It’s the same story with bioreactors; the capacity there is, at best, a few megawatts. As for the fashionable solar and wind.... Do you know the battery life required to operate all this beauty? What about solar panels? What percentage of wind turbine rotors have to be replaced after each hurricane? Can you say which country is now the world leader in the production of solar panels and LiIon and LiFePo batteries? In addition, it is not enough to generate energy; it must be delivered to the consumer, and with the characteristics he needs. And these are power lines, transformers, control systems, etc. garbage that requires regular maintenance and repair, and also reacts sharply to EMR.
      Of course, the US energy system, on the one hand, is more dispersed than the Russian Unified Energy System, but it is based on many small local stations, from which it seems very problematic to power serious production.
      They have mines, but most are abandoned or dying because they are unprofitable. Restoring production in such places is often more difficult than starting a new field. In addition, mining complexes and other mining equipment are needed for development. Is there sufficient production of them in the United States? Of course, Caterpillar is the world leader in this matter, but, five, where are the production facilities REALLY located and where do the components come from?
      Without microprocessors, of course, there is no way, but you need to know this and be able to do it. For example, most modern American weapons are really nowhere without them, from aircraft (hello, F-35! Can you imagine it without processors?) and anti-aircraft missile guidance systems to thermal imagers and man-portable radios. And, therefore, as predicted, all high-tech weapons fly out during the first two or three months of a global war, and then the D-30 is the queen of the battlefield and the BMP-2 is quite a prodigy.
      Quote: Old26
      Payment means? Hard to tell. Perhaps weapons or something that suppliers do not have. The post-apocalyptic world is a different story...

      This is not a separate song, this is the main part. Now the United States is purchasing everything it needs, having virtually unlimited monetary resources. What can they offer China, Chile or Indonesia in the situation described that they don’t have, and even without microprocessors? What weapon? M-14? R-51? Or gold from Fort Knox? How will they oppose and support industry, and not just the military?
      I apologize for the long post
    2. -2
      9 December 2020 22: 23
      By the way, I was always touched by the scene from the movie “The Day After Tomorrow”, where Mexico agrees to accept refugees from the United States, and in return the United States writes off its debt to Latin America wassat
  9. 0
    9 December 2020 20: 36
    Thank you. Very interesting and more or less true. Made me think
  10. +1
    9 December 2020 21: 19
    The topic has not been covered in other territories - Africa, Australia, Canada, the Middle East, Europe.
    We will be forced to respond not only to the states themselves. There are a lot of hot heads that will need to be cooled down a bit if the end begins. Conventionally, Caliber’s arrival at the top floor of the SBU, or a repeat visit to the Reichstag. Who will stay away from the showdown?
  11. +1
    9 December 2020 22: 37
    The author’s idea is quite correct that it is necessary to have powerful ground forces. Arm the entire people and turn the entire country into a fortress.
    But they also underestimate nuclear weapons as a means of deterrence. It is very possible that only the threat of its use will stop the aggressor, since spontaneous self-evacuation of the US population could lead to disaster and the collapse of this state. The same thing may follow after only one or two nuclear strikes on American cities and the ignition of their continuation.
    Here we are talking only about how to stop aggression, and not about the defeat and surrender of the enemy.
    For example, only 40-50 thousand military casualties were enough to stop US aggression in Korea and Vietnam.
    The prospect of losing several hundred thousand or a million military and civilians only for a victory over someone on the other side of the world and in which you were not attacked and are not threatened in any way is very difficult to sell to the population.
  12. -2
    9 December 2020 23: 47
    Quote: Mitroha
    The author just zadolbal with the phrase "hurray-patriot" that there are no words left in the Russian language? Alexander, in general, it is good and even necessary to be a patriot, and you should not use this word so derogatoryly. It loses its status and concept as a person who loves and cares for their country. With the cry "Hurray" the patriots of our country went on the attack and died for it. Don't have enough vocabulary? Hats won't fit? Is the overestimation of forces digestible? So expand your vocabulary to exclude this phrase, in this context, from your good articles. Thank you

    good
    I totally agree.
    A war is being waged on us, including through the introduction of negative stamps (labels) into consciousness, when the “partners” flew by with “patriotism is a refuge for scoundrels and patriotism is inherent in a cat” and went into action with “hurray-patriots, idiots”, etc. . abomination.
    Anyone who uses these bookmarks either has a mournful mind or acts consciously.
    Regarding “zero harm”, I recommend that the author familiarize himself with the statistics on the growth of diseases, for example, oncology.
  13. 0
    9 December 2020 23: 49
    Well, there is one more factor. If the states lose, say, 40% of their potential, then they are no longer a hegemon. China, Europe, etc. will be more powerful. Therefore, the bosses there are hardly ready for 40%.
    If we guarantee them 40-50% of the kirdyk, they will not climb. There is the sanctions path, the cold war, orange affairs, economic strangulation, etc. And they know how to do it. Well, we need to prepare. The most promising way is probably mobile complexes with separable and decoy escorts.
  14. 0
    10 December 2020 00: 08
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    Yes, there is no ball of animal fear on the other side. There are fears, there is a reluctance to see this horror in real life, but there is no animal fear.

    the author managed to read the thoughts of the inhabitants of “the other side of the ball”, he also knows how to ask a question for his opponent and answer it brilliantly))))))
  15. +1
    10 December 2020 01: 13
    Quote: Volder
    The trajectory of Russian ICBMs is quasi-ballistic. That is, it is clear where the missiles will fly from and where, but it is not clear at which specific points the warheads will fall (because they are maneuvering).

    How much can you insert your favorite terms wherever you can and cannot? Aren't you tired? Either hypersound, or quasi-ballistic, or “Caliber” - “Poseidon” - “Burevestnik”? am
    Among Russian missiles, there is really only one QUASI-BALLISTIC missile - the Iskander. All the rest are ballistic and the times when the BB drops are calculated once or twice. A QUASI-BALLISTIC missile is the same ballistic missile, the specification of which has been amended. The apogee of the trajectory for quasi-ballistic options is 90-120 km instead of 1000-1200 for similar missiles flying along a ballistic trajectory
  16. 0
    10 December 2020 13: 13
    Quote: Old26
    Do you seriously think that the presence of 10-20 charges and several ballistic missiles ensured the security of the DPRK? This “reserve” is of no use to anyone. If a political decision had been made to start a war against North Korea, the Americans would have gone for it. Moreover, the entire reserve would go mainly to the allies (Japan, South Korea)

    Absolutely right. The DPRK cannot be attacked if there is a risk of suffering significant losses in the troops, and even more so a risk for the large cities of Japan, South Korea and the United States itself. There is a big difference when some state poses a threat to the very existence of the United States and when the United States attacks someone only because it is practically completely safe for them (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya). Moreover, even one nuclear strike or a real nuclear strike can lead to uncontrolled self-evacuation from large cities, including neighboring countries. American society has already demonstrated how it reacts to the disaster in New Orleans.
  17. 0
    10 December 2020 14: 17
    Quote: Eraser
    Will everyone continue to accept dollars as payment for copper and platinum and calmly put them in a box? Who would need the money of a country covered in radioactive wasteland with a population desperately trying to survive? And if not a dollar, then what?

    They will accept. What percentage of the enemy fleet will be destroyed? let's play along, let it be 50%. What will the leaders of neutral countries choose? a dollar backed by a destroyer and an ILC or a ruble backed by gold. Secondly, after the exchange of blows, the opinion of world society will cease to exist. The Americans don’t worry about them even in peacetime, but in wartime they will put a Colt to their head and the dollar is the world currency. Again, for surviving countries (tribes), bucks are easier than shells and beads as a means of payment.
    1. AML
      0
      10 December 2020 15: 35
      Where will the Americans themselves get their dollars? In the nightstand?
    2. -1
      10 December 2020 21: 53
      The fleet does not operate on its own, but with support from coastal bases. The fleet needs fuel, ammunition, food, regular repairs and maintenance. Will the bases remain on US soil? Norfolk, San Diego, etc? I doubt they're on the list of priority targets. And bases on the territory of other states will have other headaches besides maintaining the dollar exchange rate. A lone destroyer or even an AUG is weakly suited to the role of a revolver put to the head in the conditions under consideration. Now the strength of each destroyer is that if it is even fired upon, then the entire power of the country should fall on the encroacher, and in a couple of days a whole fleet with uncovered guns will appear in the place of the destroyer. Will anyone care about a lone sunken destroyer when the casualties count in the millions? And sinking a lonely ship, although not a trivial task, is quite feasible for the armed forces of many countries
  18. +1
    10 December 2020 16: 53
    Quote: AML
    Where will the Americans themselves get their dollars? In the nightstand?

    Now where do they get it? Is issuing dollars hard work?
  19. +2
    10 December 2020 17: 24
    Quote: lucul
    And what, where are such charges?
    How long will it take to develop a "product"? Producing uranium, plutonium, tritium, making a charge? Development of new media?

    Everything is there, and in great abundance.
    "Tsar Bomba" weighed more than 26 tons. Show an ICBM with such throw weight

    If you don't like a supertanker, here's Poseidon off the coast of America, with a bomb, with a dry weight of 5 tons. ))))

    What are you saying? Is it available in large quantities? Let's say there is uranium, there is plutonium. But tritium must be produced, because its half-life is insignificant. And most importantly, there are no carriers themselves. Russian industry now allows the production of about fifty SLBMs and ICBMs per year. That's it, finita. There is no more possibility....

    What got you so stuck on the Poseidon? The displacement of this “Torpedo” will be about fifty tons. Are you going to put a bomb with a dry weight of 5000 tons into this volume? I don’t even know how to comment on such nonsense?

    Quote: boriz
    The harm of ash is not in violation of fertility. Almost all people and all animals will die. If you remember, Yellowstone was found thanks to the accumulation of characteristic remains of animals, which inside - like a plaster copy of the lungs. That is, the result is as if you are breathing dense cement dust for a long time. And the lungs are moist from the inside. Fish have about the same story. Ashes hang in the air for a long time. All equipment is out of order. All filters (including for breathing) are clogged instantly, a change does not help, the next ones are also clogged immediately. All kinds of gas turbine engines (aviation, power engineering) immediately go out of order forever.
    And what about fertility - it depends on the composition. Usually, everything grows well over the ashes. Only there will be no one to plow / sow.
    The problem for us is the same: it could be a long winter all over the planet. Amers, of course, is worse.
    You can also get into the San Andreas Fault. There will be horror in San Francisco / Los Angeles. By the way, this was a real goal in the USSR. I think they have not forgotten now.

    If we ignore all these tectonic weapons, volcanoes and faults, we can remember one thing. The explosion of such a supervolcano will not only affect the state of the United States, but will also create a universal apocalypse throughout the entire Earth. And there is no guarantee that a similar supervolcano (though smaller) will not wake up in Kamchak and a couple of such supervolcanoes will not wake up in Japan, and there will be similar ones in Europe. Can we guarantee that if Yellowstone explodes, Japan, and most importantly Primorye and Kamchatka, will not go under water??? So it was not for nothing that at one time both we and the Americans put an end to such developments. It is ABSOLUTELY impossible to predict what will happen. We cannot predict the time of earthquakes in advance, much less the consequences of such global cataclysms.

    Quote: t-12
    For being late, regardless of the reason, you will be shot on the spot.
    For being late, even in the most tense Stalinist times, people were not shot, but were assigned forced labor. Essentially, the same job, at the same factory, only with a deduction of 20% of the salary (if I’m not lying).

    You can provide people with rations and houses. Agriculture and construction in Russia are more or less developed (relative to the era of industrialization, when there were not even enough tractors in the countryside, and there was not enough energy for the mass, consumer production of cement).

    Well, under Stalin. Now if you need to get, as some here wetly dream of, 30000 warheads, rivet thousands of bombers and missiles - only execution will be a “deterrent”
    Can we provide rations and houses? Can. 200 grams of bread and a barracks for 200-300 people with bunks. Why not a house? Can you imagine what it means now to build several rocket factories from scratch? Moreover, to build and use 99% manual labor??? Try to imagine how many people are needed to dig the same pit with a depth of 5 meters and an area of ​​10 thousand square meters (one workshop)? To remove 50 thousand cubic meters of soil. And not just withdraw, but withdraw. even the construction of plants such as KAMAZ. There it took 7 years for the first stage. Despite the fact that the whole country was building and not in “wartime” mode. There is no longer any talk about where to build, how to deliver materials and equipment there, how to house and feed people.
    And everything is simple for you. Just provide rations and houses. We had a minor flood in 2000. They built a settlement using the “express method” for those who lost their homes. But it was impossible to live there until everything was redone...

    Quote: Shadow041
    15 megatons fell on Hiroshima, read more carefully. I wrote that cruise missiles in service with the Russian Federation have a 50 megaton warhead.

    Calm down and teach the materiel, you are our expert. The whole world knows that the first bombs had a power of 10 to 20 kilotons, but you have as much as 15 megatons. And Cruise missiles with a 50 megaton charge are just in your head. Our most powerful ICBM with a throw weight of 8,8 tons and a launch weight of 200 tons could lift a maximum 20 megaton charge, and you have cruise missiles weighing 3-8 tons as much as 50. Quit with heavy chemistry

    Quote: Eraser
    What does the total number of power plants say? Nothing. Most of them are gas, but, for the most part, this means installations with 4-8 MW of installed capacity, powering small communities and villages.

    You are right, dear Dmitry, when talking about the power of such stations. You're right, but the thing is that this says a lot. In particular, that given the same situation, we will find ourselves in a significantly worse position than them. Let's try it on our fingers. I live in the south. Stavropol region. The area of ​​the region is about 66 thousand square kilometers. Population - 2,9 million people (at the end of last year). There are 18 power plants in the region. A couple of them are powerful - more than 1500 MW. four of medium power - from 80 to 150 MW, the rest - from 0,4 to 30 MW. About 10 of them are concentrated in the area of ​​2-3 nearby cities (including powerful ones). The remaining 8 are located in the region. Total capacity - 4500 MW
    If we take a US state of similar size (West Virginia), then they will achieve similar capacities only using wind energy. 10 times more power from solar stations and photocells in houses. What does this say? The only thing is that in the event of a conflict, their social infrastructure will not be destroyed. There will be destruction, but those that do not suffer will also have electricity (which means refrigerators, water supply, sewerage, and communications, finally, will work). Which will not happen in the same situation in my case. There are about 800 cities and towns in the region. And I can say with a 1000% guarantee. that the same settlement with a population of 2-3 thousand people does not have its own power plant, even with a capacity of 1 MW. No. This means that the entire infrastructure will freeze.

    Quote: Eraser
    Of course, the US energy system, on the one hand, is more dispersed than the Russian Unified Energy System, but it is based on many small local stations, from which it seems very problematic to power serious production.

    This is exactly what we are talking about. It is problematic to feed into a single production, but it is unlikely that there will be a single production in the first months after such a conflict. But at the same time, the population will be in a much better position than ours...
    1. -2
      10 December 2020 22: 09
      And I didn’t say that it would be easy for us. Any war brings a lot of suffering, and, believe me, the need to walk to the well instead of opening the tap is not the hardest of them. On the other hand, one can recall the large-scale blackouts in New York and the surrounding area, which caused a sharp spike in the number of suicides. How many residents of Stavropol will commit suicide due to a power outage and lack of Twitter? Another question is how will the fuel supply to small local thermal power plants be established? I already mentioned wind turbines and solar stations; the heart of such systems is not rotors or panels, but electronic controllers and battery packs. What is their EMP protection class?
      And this was precisely the assertion of the author of the article that even after large-scale nuclear strikes, industry, and, first of all, the military-industrial complex will be able to produce products.
  20. +2
    10 December 2020 17: 24
    Quote: Eraser
    They have mines, but most are abandoned or dying because they are unprofitable. Restoring production in such places is often more difficult than starting a new field. In addition, mining complexes and other mining equipment are needed for development. Is there sufficient production of them in the United States? Of course, Caterpillar is the world leader in this matter, but, five, where are the production facilities REALLY located and where do the components come from?

    Now, dear Dmitry, they are unprofitable. From our point of view of modern development. And after the apocalypse, everything will be used, even unprofitable ones. Do you think that our unprofitable coal mines will not be used after such a conflict? Everything will be used, even if the mines themselves produce products that are “poor” in composition. When the question becomes: to be or not to be, the answer is clear. Be

    Quote: Eraser
    In addition, mining complexes and other mining equipment are needed for development. Is there sufficient production of them in the United States? Of course, Caterpillar is the world leader in this matter, but, five, where are the production facilities REALLY located and where do the components come from?

    Less than 100 years ago, the same miner's main tool was a jackhammer. Fifteen hundred years ago - a pick and a shovel. There is no need to count on the fact that the mine will not work because the roadheader has broken down. It will be necessary to cut coal lying in poor seams. It will be necessary - with a pick. Of course, most of the technology will be. For some things there will be spare parts within walking distance. for something - no. But I will repeat. We will be in a worse situation. Maybe, in particular, due to the fact that they are accustomed to gigantic scales, to power...

    Quote: Eraser
    Without microprocessors, of course, there is no way, but you need to know this and be able to do it. For example, most modern American weapons are really nowhere without them, from aircraft (hello, F-35! Can you imagine it without processors?) and anti-aircraft missile guidance systems to thermal imagers and man-portable radios. And, therefore, as predicted, all high-tech weapons fly out during the first two or three months of a global war, and then the D-30 is the queen of the battlefield and the BMP-2 is quite a prodigy.

    And no one denies this. Of course, high-tech products will be the first victims of the “post-apocalypse.” But the light didn’t hit her like a wedge, did it? The same fighters 60-70 years ago flew without on-board computers, and strategic bombers had maximum tube devices. But it was? Electric locomotives will go into oblivion, but no one is stopping you from using other types of traction. The same locomotives that were stored for a long time at junction stations in our country, and probably in the Americans too. The tankers managed without an electronic ballistic computer on the same T-34 or KV. so here too.
    But the difference in our and the American urban structure and energy will unfortunately affect whoever has the most to lose...

    Quote: Eraser
    Quote: Old26
    Payment means? Hard to tell. Perhaps weapons or something that suppliers do not have. The post-apocalyptic world is a different story...

    This is not a separate song, this is the main part. Now the United States is purchasing everything it needs, having virtually unlimited monetary resources. What can they offer China, Chile or Indonesia in the situation described that they don’t have, and even without microprocessors? What weapon? M-14? R-51? Or gold from Fort Knox? How will they oppose and support industry, and not just the military?

    Well, it’s unlikely that they buy a lot of things for their industry in critical quantities in various countries. And as for means of payment. Yes, perhaps it is the old weapon that will become just such a means of payment. The same "Mustang" or, at most, a "Sabre" may turn out to be just that means of payment. And gold. It is unlikely that it will have the same price as now
    1. +1
      10 December 2020 22: 33
      They purchase a lot for their industry, including critical items. There have been several major scandals in the United States involving the use of Chinese components in the production of military equipment. And just compare the sanctions lists of the United States and China from the time of their trade war, the United States imposed duties on electronics and aircraft components, the Chinese imposed duties on soybeans and orange juice.
      It is not for nothing that gold has been a universal means of payment since ancient times, and is now considered by stockbrokers as one of the main defensive assets. So the role of gold in the described situation will increase sharply, including due to genetic memory, so to speak. And everyone already has a lot of old weapons.
      Of course, 1900th century technology can be used to mine coal, and slave labor is quite applicable there. It is quite enough for the operation of coal power plants. There are mines, of course, but easily extracted reserves were taken out of them in the last century; everything that is mined now requires beneficiation, and this is a difficult and very energy-intensive process, like all modern industry. Of course, there is a chance to again run the entire path of industrial growth since the 100s, and it will take less than 30 years, but it is unlikely that we will have to talk about restoring production, and, first of all, military production, at a modern level earlier than in 40-XNUMX years. years.
      The main question is: is it possible, relying on such a technological base, to wage a transcontinental war?
  21. +3
    10 December 2020 17: 48
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: Old26
    Do you seriously think that the presence of 10-20 charges and several ballistic missiles ensured the security of the DPRK? This “reserve” is of no use to anyone. If a political decision had been made to start a war against North Korea, the Americans would have gone for it. Moreover, the entire reserve would go mainly to the allies (Japan, South Korea)

    Absolutely right. The DPRK cannot be attacked if there is a risk of suffering significant losses in the troops, and even more so a risk for the large cities of Japan, South Korea and the United States itself. There is a big difference when some state poses a threat to the very existence of the United States and when the United States attacks someone only because it is practically completely safe for them (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya). Moreover, even one nuclear strike or a real nuclear strike can lead to uncontrolled self-evacuation from large cities, including neighboring countries. American society has already demonstrated how it reacts to the disaster in New Orleans.

    there will be a need, a political decision will be made and the DPRK will be attacked. And the Americans, by and large, don’t care about the losses of their allies in such a conflict. For them, the South Koreans and Japanese will be bargaining chips, cannon fodder. There is no threat to the United States from the DPRK in principle. What Kim likes to show at parades and what he threatens America with is not a military weapon. A good ICBM, which was tested at a range of only 900 km.
    Uncontrollable outcome? You draw a conclusion based on the events of 60 years ago, when the attitude towards nuclear weapons was completely different from what it is now. Then hysteria was whipped up in each country, endless exercises, films and television programs were held about how and what could happen. The reaction to such hysteria will be predictable. I think that if the Americans had placed their missiles in Finland in the 60s, we would have had exactly the same uncontrollable outcome from Leningrad and perhaps not only from there.
    But now it's a completely different matter. Nuclear weapons are no longer treated the way they were in the 60s. Such a subject has even disappeared from our schools. like GO. It was replaced by some vague life safety practice that doesn’t teach anything at all. And it doesn’t teach defense against weapons of mass destruction, or how to act in a situation of man-made disasters.
    Well, New Orleans. The population there has its own specifics and its complete lack of control led to what happened there

    ,
  22. +1
    10 December 2020 18: 56
    Quote: Operator
    Another article of the Okrainsk blogger, who was recently blown away by the head of the organization-developer of ZGRLS "Container".


    The blogger flogged himself by publicly demonstrating his knowledge of the topic of ZGRLS
  23. 0
    10 December 2020 20: 11
    Yes, I don’t care! This means the Russian village will be reborn, so we will win laughing What kind of mushrooms did the author eat? I can't imagine.
  24. 0
    10 December 2020 21: 37
    Everything has already happened. And there will still be. (Bible Wisdom)
    Is the author arguing with Khrushchev?
    It was the maize specialist who at one time decided that since “we make missiles like sausages,” then all other branches of the Armed Forces should be radically reduced, without pension benefits, and on average, without a civilian specialty.
    Then we had to restore, develop, attract.
    Now everything is even worse - we have been swimming in another idea for thirty years: there is no war - the army is not needed, if there is a war - we will buy (?) / hire / find ... in short, something from Saltykov-Shchedrin: “we need to find a man "for two generals to solve all their problems.
    But for now, as a training for these “Dear accountants” - coronavirus, healthcare and hospitals, on the topic “not needed / redundant - we’ll get sick - we’ll quickly build them and we’ll catch (?) / produce doctors somewhere, buy them.”
    We laugh at our ancestors: they say, “if only there was no war,” but do we have the right to laugh when they understand what they are talking about, but we don’t?
  25. +1
    10 December 2020 22: 26
    Quote: Eraser
    And I didn’t say that it would be easy for us. Any war brings a lot of suffering, and, believe me, the need to walk to the well instead of opening the tap is not the hardest of them. On the other hand, one can recall the large-scale blackouts in New York and the surrounding area, which caused a sharp spike in the number of suicides. How many residents of Stavropol will commit suicide due to a power outage and lack of Twitter? Another question is how will the fuel supply to small local thermal power plants be established? I already mentioned wind turbines and solar stations; the heart of such systems is not rotors or panels, but electronic controllers and battery packs. What is their EMP protection class?
    And this was precisely the assertion of the author of the article that even after large-scale nuclear strikes, industry, and, first of all, the military-industrial complex will be able to produce products.

    Dmitriy! Our mentality is different, so I think there won’t be very many of them. For the majority, Twitter will not be a criterion at all, but a promising microdistrict in which fifty houses with 12 to 17 floors will become, as a result of the shutdown, I won’t even say what. And there someone may commit suicide. hard to tell.
    From personal experience (and I once wrote that for several years I was the head of the freelance fire-fighting structure of the Ministry of Emergency Situations at an enterprise) I can say that I don’t know what about the first stage (power outage), but with a possible evacuation the number of deaths will be sufficient . And not because of riots and crushes, but simply out of despair...

    Well, about wind turbines and solar power plants in the USA, I gave an example only as capacities. How will the supply of small thermal power plants be organized? I don't have an answer. Since we simply don’t have these in our region (for populated areas), but in the USA, you need to know the specifics of the area. But they will try to take some steps. Especially if the question arises: to supply thermal power plants with fuel on our own (even if not for all 24 hours a day) or to be left without electricity.

    In the same way, we cannot give an answer about the enterprises of the US military-industrial complex without knowing all the ins and outs. But energy diversification will play a positive role for them. In our country, the failure of capacities in the region means “stop” for almost everything
  26. 0
    11 December 2020 01: 06
    The author certainly piled on a lot. A kind of pessimism of the devil when calculating his strength to destroy “paradise”. First, he bombed military targets with nuclear bombs from which a response could be expected. Well it turned out bad. Then he finally decided to bomb the population. Again he ran out of ammunition. We'll have to give him some "optimistic" notes. Dear professor, it seems to me that you were mistaken in your calculations. No, where we were talking about baking the entire enemy surface and leveling the mountains, you were not mistaken. Everything is correct here. But when they started talking about eliminating the enemy’s population, even at the cost of your life, you miscalculated, and very badly.
    Just in the place where we were talking about radiation, which will either fly off into the sea somewhere or finally settle quickly. UGU... I don’t know what kind of strategic plan you studied, that in it they shoot at cities and villages. Funny...By God. Let me, not a very military man, teach you how to almost completely destroy the population of continents in modern realities, while spending only a third of those 381 flying pieces. Even though they are multi-headed, we will assume that the US missile defense will knock down the majority, and I will only have one head per missile, which will fly to the target and do its job. How many kilotons there are in each doesn’t matter, let it be a hundred. In total, we have 125 nuclear weapons that have reached their target.
    Yes, by firing such a bomb at Los Angeles, I will do almost no harm to the outskirts. And the collective farms around this metropolis can avoid trouble altogether. But since you’ve given me a blank check to clean up the Los Angeles region of the United States, I’ll come in with my trump cards. And so it flies, flies, slap, falls... “Blimey,” you say, “why are you passing by? The shabby little town of San Clemento. There’s only a couple of residents there, and it’s gone bad. I used up the bomb." I’ll answer: “Wait, bro, not all at once. We’ll see in a couple of weeks.” And so: “Southern California Edison is storing 1400 tons (3,6 million pounds) of deadly radioactive waste at its closed nuclear power plant in San Clemente.” Well, is the hint clear??? My one-hundred-kiloton bomb unexpectedly turned into a noble bomb that will raise into the atmosphere not just its critical mass, but also a bunch of the most poisonous crap in the world. It will fly with the wind, but the wind usually blows in more than one direction. There are all sorts of cyclones and anticyclones there. This is not Fukushima and Chernobyl, with my seasoning this is crap for the entire east coast. Actually, maybe not quite the coast. Let's say Mexico gets more. But I know one thing for sure, Los Angeles and everything that is kilometers away is turning into an uninhabitable territory forever (by human standards). There are 97 operating power units in the United States. These are not nuclear power plants, but power units. There may be several such “bourgeois” at one station. And I don’t even need to get exactly into the reactor. Somewhere nearby there was a noise, and all the fun. The density of nuclear power plants corresponds to the population density of the United States. Is it a great idea? So out of my 125 pieces, I will also save 80 pieces for myself. I also need to shoot at France. And not only for nuclear power plants, but also for storage facilities for all kinds of chemicals exported from Syria (but not destroyed), and also for waste disposal warehouses... It seems to me that even if the tan does not salute me on the way back, I will not be happy for long. I don’t have a bunker, and I have canned food in the refrigerator for a couple of days. And the crap raised into the air, which will continue to fly into the atmosphere (because, unlike the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, there will be no one to sarcophagize, there are too many points of destruction at the same time) will land on my body. It’s better right away in the flames than like this. Very soon the background on the planet will be sad. And there will be no winners or losers. But we will go to HEAVEN :)))))
  27. -1
    11 December 2020 13: 15
    I spent a lot of time, but I prevailed. And the material itself
    and all the comments, and what pictures! (Odessa joke
    - two men stand on the corner and wave their hands - one behind
    Kravchuk, the other for Tymoshenko. The third one goes by and
    froze - only turning his head - first at one, then at the other.
    Then you look at the clock - and in horror - well, two goats - they took 20 minutes!).
    It’s very interesting, but everything is very hypothetical, speculative.......
    The connection with harsh reality is somehow unclear.
    I’m embarrassed to ask - what are we and they all going to do?
    with or without masks? (why are you laughing - there are whole warships
    at the moment in BG on par with a barge with watermelons for many weeks
    became). And how are we doing with the mentioned type?
    weapons? The adversary will probably get around here too, look no further than Trump
    will announce a super-duper mask! Although, maybe it’s true - there’s no hurry
    necessary. There is information that the period when the entire planet goes to
    masks, will be short and transitional. The next stage is when
    everyone will be in diapers. And this is where you need to prevent your nose from bleeding
    the adversary has a chance to issue a mountain “having no analogue in the world”
    diapers first And then, having sat down more comfortably (I apologize),
    for all these buttons we will show them - we will glaze them twice, first
    ordinary glass and then burnt glass on top.
  28. -1
    11 December 2020 16: 41
    and yet I will believe the Soviet academicians with their nuclear winter than this muddy author
  29. 0
    11 December 2020 17: 56
    There is no threat to the United States from the DPRK in principle. What Kim likes to show at parades and what he threatens America with is not a military weapon. A good ICBM, which was tested at a range of only 900 km.

    Range 900 km, but altitude 4500 km. Of course, you are not afraid, but the whole question is that Americans are afraid. They don’t have faith that all this is not a military weapon, it won’t work, and so on. They don’t want to check all this on themselves, and I understand them.
  30. 0
    11 December 2020 20: 27
    What a significant article)))) having rummaged through the general husk, we can highlight the MAIN message - It’s wrong to fight with America!!! It is strange that the author did not mention a person similar to LADIES, who wanted to settle all the scattered people in 12 megacities. Well, apparently, so that our dear partners don’t have to expend a lot of charges and don’t look for the remnants of the Russians in the forests. In general, the author is no different from the haters of the 30s of the last century, when by simply counting the tanks and guns of the USSR, little blood was lost on foreign territory. At the same time, such static pictures presented by the author at least cause laughter. It has already been repeatedly pointed out that the unstable geocomponent of the US territories, especially after the extraction of oil and gas reserves. Faults along the coast, constant earthquakes and yellowstone waiting for a kick, allow us to create a completely different picture, in differences from Russia, which is located on the quietest part of the planet. Well, the second factor is the population, Katrina and other emergencies have already shown the mentality of the population, as soon as you push it a little, mass robbery and murder begins. As for the population, neither Washington nor Moscow need it. This would seem to be a paradox, but let’s not forget about the Golden Billion, which today has already shrunk to the Golden 500 million. Those who control the printing press and their puppets don’t need people, well, if only to pedophile, and for organs. So it’s not America and Russia that need to be GLASSED, it’s people with funny last names who need to be GLASSED, who have decided that some god has authorized them.
  31. -1
    12 December 2020 16: 12
    In reality, there are 7 goals in the USA after which the Stone Age will come FOREVER.
    They will continue for 15 with a guarantee.
    500 ICBMs will not be launched in the USA alone.
    + Warheads with small nuclear weapons charges, at least 5000 of them.
    And for his allies too, all critical objects will be combed.
    Even focal defense will stop the American trash with bombs.
    The Soviet-built panel city JUST STOPS EXISTING, right up to the outskirts.
    American chicken coops will scatter within a 30 km radius.
    If you throw a barrel of 100 megaton nuclear weapons, there won’t be a single piece of intact glass left in the entire United States.
    There are a lot of tactics and schemes; all US cities located on large rivers in coastal areas will turn into graves.
    And there’s no need to glaze there; without electricity, EVERYTHING in the USA will fail, and there won’t be any for many years.
    In fact, in the first year the population of the United States will decrease by 90%; the majority there do not know how to screw in light bulbs or connect water pipes.
    Moreover, the operational level in the United States has fallen below the plinth, and it is not a fact that at least 50% of the warheads will work properly.
    In addition to the above, any application in the atmosphere disturbs the atmosphere for 3-4 hours so that within a radius of 100-200 km on radar it turns into a continuous spot of light.
    It will not be possible to target missiles and anti-missile defenses.
  32. -1
    13 December 2020 10: 26
    the author is definitely a liberoid......
  33. 0
    13 December 2020 14: 47
    Unlike the United States, Russia does not have the technical ability to ensure the reloading of SSBN launchers outside bases
    where and how is this?
  34. +1
    13 December 2020 17: 09
    Think what you want, but apparently it’s time for me to give up on this resource. It has turned into a sect of all-fuckers, fed up with their whining. We will all die, there are traitors all around, the army died, the top leadership is like one stupid people, only the authors are great, hole-in-the-wall guys and everyone in white. And to each of them, Putin daily voices his plans - they write so confidently about these plans. And commentators echo them - yeah, we are all dying out and will soon die completely. And there are only beggars all around. The country is getting poorer, but for some reason the alarmists have devices from which they can write about universal impoverishment, and they also have money to pay for the Internet and electricity. Apparently, the local people who suffered for their happiness were not affected by the general impoverishment of the people. Gentlemen (precisely gentlemen - you are not my comrades at all). If you are really scared to live, don’t wait for everything to collapse. Kill yourself and spare the rest of your boring whining. You are a little more than completely sad.
  35. 0
    13 December 2020 17: 29
    -as this what’s-his-name Brzezinski said about 500 yards of dollars exported from the Russian Federation to USA
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  37. 0
    13 December 2020 22: 51
    The author of the article is a cheers patriot, but only from the other side, they say, America will lose 50-60 million, so what, nothing, shake off the radioactive dust and stomp together to factories and farms and continue to forge a military victory, but it’s unlikely to happen, the immediate factors of defeat Nuclear weapons with their massive use are not so bad, no less, and maybe a bigger problem from the subsequent consequences, I have been involved in these issues for many years as the head of the civil defense staff, I have some idea, but these consequences can have the most catastrophic impact on the moral and mental state of the remaining the population will seem small to no one. And by the way, the remaining population of the United States must be prepared for the fact that Chinese will be the second, and maybe even the first, official language.
  38. +1
    14 December 2020 21: 53
    You won't be able to glaze it, but you can drive it back to the Stone Age, no problem. Strike power plants, chemical plants, oil storage facilities, dams and economic centers. The country is plunging into chaos and the blacks and litinos are completing the work of eliminating statehood. All
  39. +1
    15 December 2020 08: 55
    They will gouge Silicon Valley, thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, metallurgical plants and the military. And the Americans themselves will die. And decision-making centers too.
  40. 0
    15 December 2020 20: 30
    In short...we have no planes, no ships, few cruise missiles...and in general, if you believe the author?! Save yourself - who can. The Americans are coming!!! Author, you're right - we need more weapons!! but this , and without you it’s clear. But what about patriots like you? (Whose patriot are you?) In general, there’s no need to praise our enemies or our masters. But, to yourself!!
  41. +1
    16 December 2020 07: 44
    The author did not take into account one important thing: nuclear power plants. Each reactor, with a gigawatt of electrical power, fissions every 7 minutes the same number of nuclei as the explosion of a 300 kiloton warhead. And at the nuclear power plant all the radioactive isotopes from at least the last 8-10 years of operation remain, the fuel remains in the reactor for 4 years and it must be cooled in a pool for the same amount of time before transportation. The half-life of cesium 137 and strontium 90 is about 30 years. At least two Chernobyls per power unit. Moreover, it will spread it much further than in 1986, 100-300 kilotons will throw the reactor and spent fuel storage facility into the stratosphere. In a situation of total war, when there is nothing to lose, they will definitely be hit. What will happen next, at least in the northern hemisphere - watch the film "on the shore" (we will all die, vomiting our guts in half with blood)
  42. 0
    16 December 2020 12: 44
    Hmmm, it’s hard to be “GOD”(((
    If anything, the described options for waging war are humane to the point of amazement... The author clearly did not understand the imperative: Why do we need such a World, without Russia...
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  44. +1
    20 December 2020 07: 45
    For now, even the presence of North Korea's more than modest nuclear potential provides it with a relatively quiet life. And secondly, current civilizations are technologically advanced and nuclear weapons that have destroyed the basic infrastructure and, first of all, energy supplies (and this is a relatively small list of goals) will deprive any of the parties, for a long time, of the opportunity to continue the war. This is despite all other factors of the consequences of nuclear snowflakes. And in the case of the United States, their troops still need to swim to us and transport all the weapons with them. That is why only plans to destroy Russia from the inside seem realistic. And I join the commentators below - stop repeating this dozens of times like a mantra - “ara-patriot”... As well as the endless repetition of the word “glaze”. By the way, I read it for the first time in this article... And most importantly, I think in Russia there are enough strong analysts who perfectly understand much of what was said in the article, and the way the construction of our aircraft is going is proof of this. But I don’t see any point in arguing with some vague “Hurray-patriots”. They do not determine the vector of development of the Russian Armed Forces. By the way, there are enough such “Hurray-patriots” in the USA...
  45. +1
    20 December 2020 11: 46
    Author, you forgot that Russia still has about 5000 tactical nuclear warheads.
  46. +1
    22 December 2020 17: 46
    There is a concept of unacceptable damage, and deterrence is based on this. “Shooting”, I’ve never even met such a concept)))))) will not work, and this has long been known to everyone who even slightly thinks.
    A vivid example
    Iraq - there were no weapons of mass destruction, no Iraq.
    Libya - there were no weapons of mass destruction, no Libya
    Korea, there is a bomb, is spinning all the attempts of the USA on jade and will continue to spin it. Because it can.
    Actually, here's an example: a retaliatory strike from Korea (or rather, its possibility) is already considered unacceptable damage.
  47. 0
    24 December 2020 15: 08
    When the author writes the pronoun “us” in isolation from the patriots, who does he mean?
    The greatest danger to us is posed by our officials, including generals, who have businesses, homes, and families abroad. Who will make the decision? Apparently these are the people. What will it be like? Most likely, it will be as harmful as possible for our country. And our enemies take full advantage of this factor. They are undoubted masters at this.
  48. 0
    25 December 2020 17: 54
    The author of the article quite correctly noted the insufficiency of the modern nuclear arsenal of the Russian Federation, limited by START-3. But the conclusion about the need to prepare for a full-scale non-nuclear war with NATO is completely wrong and extremely dangerous. In a non-nuclear war with NATO, Russia is doomed to defeat, which will again force us to use nuclear weapons, but in extremely unfavorable conditions, having lost a significant part of the carriers of not only tactical, but also strategic nuclear weapons. And it’s not just a matter of incomparability of military budgets. It’s just that, first of all, we need to compare how many non-nuclear weapons the United States can unleash on the Russian Federation, and how much Russia can unleash on the United States. They have cruise missiles on ships and submarines, strategic and tactical aviation with a huge arsenal of guided missiles and bombs. In fact, we only have strategic aviation in the Kyrgyz Republic. With ground forces it is even worse - the United States can invade us, but we cannot invade them for geographical reasons. The task of the Russian general-purpose forces is a quick victory with minimal losses in a war with small American mongrels like Ukraine, the Baltic states, Poland or, at most, Turkey. The rearmament of general purpose forces undertaken in the last decade clearly serves precisely this purpose. At the same time, the risk of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation should restrain intervention in the conflict by the United States and other NATO members. If deterrence does not work, then nuclear war will remain the only option for the development of events. Losses in such a war will naturally be terrible. An acceptable outcome of the war for Russia should be the preservation of its independence and territorial integrity despite the colossal level of losses. The author quite correctly points out the danger of the US and its allies continuing the war even after an exchange of nuclear strikes. In order to avoid this, it is necessary to make it completely impossible for the United States to wage war in the Eastern Hemisphere. To do this, it is necessary to completely destroy their naval bases, all civilian seaports, large and medium-sized coastal cities, as well as shipbuilding centers with nuclear strikes. Indeed, the modern nuclear arsenal of the Russian Federation is not enough to completely destroy the United States. But for us it will be enough to deprive them of the opportunity to fight in the Eastern Hemisphere by “locking” them on their continent. It doesn’t matter how many of them survive, the main thing is that the survivors cannot reach us... The creation in Russia of promising nuclear weapons systems (Poseidon, Sarmat, Burevestnik) indicates that our leadership understands this. According to foreign experts, the power of the Poseidon warhead is several tens of megatons; they regard information from Russian sources about 2 MT as disinformation. In this case, the 32 planned Poseidons could not only completely destroy the coastal facilities listed above, but also make it impossible to rebuild them for at least several years after the war due to the extremely high level of residual radiation after the explosion of a “dirty” thermonuclear weapon with a yield of several tens of megatons. Let me remind you that in the area of ​​the 15-megaton “dirty” (77% fission reaction) explosion in 1954 on Bikini Atoll, the background radiation at the explosion site even 40 years later exceeded the maximum permissible value! The presence of Poseidon will allow our other strategic nuclear forces to focus on other important facilities - air bases, power plants, industry, etc. The goal of the war should be the maximum destruction of US industrial power. Yes, even half of their population can survive. But if this half of the population is thrown back in development to the level of at least the century before last (without energy, mechanical transport, modern manufacturing industry), then they will lose the opportunity to “globally project power” for centuries. Another promising system, Sarmat, will allow, if necessary, to quickly increase the number of nuclear warheads above the START-3 limits. It is also necessary to develop missile defense in order to maximally protect at least the most densely populated areas of Russia. The busy schedule of tests of domestic anti-missile missiles recently gives some hope for changes for the better in this matter.
  49. +1
    26 December 2020 06: 35
    The author has a clear bias in assessing the vulnerability of the United States and the Russian Federation. It is not clear why he considers it necessary to bomb all American towns and downs. In reality, there are about 50 large metropolitan areas in the United States in which large military-industrial complex enterprises and the bulk of the population are located.
    It is not at all necessary to drop nuclear weapons on each hut; the blast wave and fires will do everything themselves, American figwams made of slats and plywood will fall apart like houses of cards. A population without electricity and water supply will not last long; they do not have survival skills.
    It is not at all necessary to destroy all ICBM launch positions; it is enough to erase large military and naval bases, of which there are not very many, dozens, not hundreds or thousands. And for ICBMs, cruise missiles and bombers that managed to launch, there is missile defense and air defense, which the states practically do not have.
    Military-industrial complex enterprises and the population of the Russian Federation are dispersed over a vast territory from Smolensk to Vladivostok in 1117 cities
  50. -1
    26 December 2020 12: 07
    I am shocked by how the topic of nuclear apocalypse is discussed in a blue eye! People Are you mentally ill? Just imagine the situation: you are smoking on the balcony and suddenly you see a nuclear mushroom in the distance! What are your next steps? It’s clearly not Russia to save! And so I’m wondering, if here we Russians are talking about this so calmly, then what’s going on in the heads of our Western partners. Maybe it’s that the children of those who head the decision-making centers live where the vigorous loaf should fly? Will it fly?
  51. 0
    28 December 2020 22: 43
    The author does not understand simple things. A nuclear war presupposes the complete destruction of a state, its territory and population. Because leaving a country that has nuclear weapons unfinished, as they say, is more expensive. In addition to strategic nuclear weapons, such a country, as a rule, has a large number of tactical nuclear weapons, and it is impossible to capture them, as well as to destroy tactical ammunition, since they are dispersed among numerous warehouses. And the power of tactical ammunition is comparable to the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And tactical nuclear systems will be combat-ready for many years to come. In addition, such a noble amount of strategic nuclear weapons now exists precisely thanks to START 3. But in reality, they can easily be increased several times without much expense.
  52. 0
    4 January 2021 19: 21
    Crazy article. By the way, in Russia the geological platform is stronger than in the USA. Aaaaand why talk about losses. A blow to the destruction of energy supplies, the Internet and everything. The entire US will run to stores and shoot each other. This has already been verified quite recently. Square nest nuclear strikes and everything.
  53. 0
    5 January 2021 19: 30
    The general meaning is Russian give up. Some foundation in the suburbs of Washington wrote (wrote smartly - they don’t keep fools). This one published. Too much information from various written sources over different years. Shit, you can find so many sources in the USA. There was a team working that knew exactly where to get what. The principle of propaganda was followed - a bunch of truth on a thin layer of crap.
  54. 0
    12 January 2021 21: 01
    “But we must understand that, firstly, this is approximately 1/330 of the US population, no more.”

    We don't have charges equivalent to 330 of these?
  55. 0
    12 January 2021 21: 18
    Why is it necessary to hit command posts in addition to launch sites? Why are they dangerous in the absence of mines?
  56. 0
    16 February 2021 09: 06
    The author does not take geology into account, but the military knows and takes it into account. There are geological faults in the USA. Strikes against them will lead to the fact that both US coasts will sink to the bottom of the oceans, along with the cities and military bases of the USA
    1. 0
      April 21 2021 15: 03
      In the USA there are 250 nuclear power units evenly distributed throughout the territory according to the size of the population and industry. Why hit some “faults” if even a few hits at nuclear power plants in different states will completely make life in the USA impossible?
      And the ICBMs available in the Russian Federation are quite sufficient for this. And this is quite a “glassing”
  57. 0
    21 February 2021 03: 34
    The author is simple. A nuclear strike will destroy the entire infrastructure of any country. The Internet, cellular and telephone communications will immediately and forever stop working, the supply of electricity will stop, all industrial production will stop, supplies of food, gasoline, oil, gas will quickly dry up, very soon all transport will stop, medical care will stop, the territory of the country will turn into a radioactive zone of chaos , where staying is associated with a risk to life. The army will very quickly lose its combat potential and turn into a crowd of marauders, and the population will kill each other for a piece of bread. And this is with a nuclear strike, which can be called gentle. When someone will remain alive and there will be no nuclear winter.
  58. 0
    21 February 2021 03: 45
    A massive nuclear strike will destroy any country. The Internet and cellular communications will stop working immediately and forever, and the electricity supply will stop. There will be no oil, gasoline, gas. Very quickly, all transport will stop, the work of all industrial enterprises will cease, food supplies will quickly run out, and the army will turn into a crowd of marauders. The territory itself will become a radioactive desert for many years. And this is with a gentle nuclear strike, when someone turns out to be alive and a nuclear winter does not follow.
  59. 0
    1 March 2021 14: 12
    As a developer of “clean thermonuclear weapons,” I have my own arguments. Let’s start with the fact that the charge power can be created truly practically unlimited. Both for classic dirty ones and new clean ones. I have a pure multi-stage hybrid modular scheme of Sakharov and Ulama - Teller, for example, has been implemented... As an example, let's choose an underwater delivery method. Let it be a robot. I also think it is necessary to significantly increase the power of the charge, Let's say up to several million megatons. You could also have a towed module for it... And you will also need to design landmine triggers in such a way that they most effectively carry out the implosion of the surrounding water, to level out its premature expansion, as well as to significantly increase the efficiency and power of the explosion, while maintaining the mass-dimensional characteristics, I propose adding a lithium deuteride catalyst6, for example, surrounded by a polymer bag, to the water surrounding the landmine to create an optimal concentration of the catalyst and so that it does not get carried away by the current. Such a charge, detonated at a shallow depth, will cause catastrophic damage to everything at a greater depth of the continent. But I do not propose it as an offensive one. Only deterrence or retaliation. Now a super-volcano. Here, for sabotage, another weapon is suitable. Not nuclear-seismic-electric. Its essence is that we convert the energy of the explosion of a ground-based homemade vacuum bomb into electric current and release it into the ground in order to provoke a volcano with a huge current... I have certain experience and on this issue. And I think that when we are talking about such a scale, the question of money should not interfere with this. We are talking about life and death in their interpretations generally accepted by most people. Well, I myself now do not exclude “simulation of universes.” Life this is a theater of military operations, and we are probably actors. So now think long and hard about whether it’s worth it or not...
  60. 0
    April 21 2021 14: 43
    Why are American ICBMs always the targets in such “research”?
  61. -1
    3 August 2022 19: 23
    And most importantly, They understand this too.
  62. 0
    6 November 2022 15: 05
    Quote: NDR-791
    there is not a word about NU in the article

    Why, the author writes: “In principle, we can assume that the loss of the entire population will be unacceptable for the US authorities. Everything else can be tolerated only with some degree of probability.” That is, he mentions this “parameter”, but seems to consider the task of calculating it to be idle.