"Ukroboronprom": total sale

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Something that many people knew a long time ago happened, but they spoke only in a narrow circle. Ukraine is actively seeking sponsors for the revival of its defense industry. Moreover, Kiev is ready to completely “give up” production to sponsors in exchange for investments.

"Ukroboronprom": total sale




In principle, the Ukrainian defense industry is capable of producing almost the entire range of weapons. More precisely, she was capable. This is what pushes Ukraine today into the hands of sponsors. If there are enough qualified personnel, enterprises that previously produced weapons and military equipment, Ukraine today cannot do this.

The past quarter century for the defense industry of Ukraine were the years of "solemn burial" of everything achieved during the Soviet period. Plants "kept" to a greater extent on Russian orders. But this situation was largely not beneficial to Ukraine.

At the end of Boris Yeltsin’s rule, Russia faced about the same situation. The United States suddenly became concerned with the defense industry of our country. Moreover, negotiations were conducted at various levels. And the money offered was huge. But Russian politicians have the sense to reject a tempting offer. Why?

The fact is that the main condition of the transaction was the production of components. In another language, Russia lost the right to produce the final product. Imagine that everything necessary for production was produced at Russian factories tankbut the tank itself is going to another country. And the right to this tank, respectively, also gets this country.

Thus, the United States received the arms market in almost sole ownership. Russia was simply removed from the market. And cleaned with our own hands.

What are components? Parts and assemblies, nothing more. Like a grenade without a fuse. It seems and terrible weaponbut almost useless in real combat.

Exactly the same negotiations have been going on since the beginning of the 21 century with Ukraine. Conducted with varying degrees of intensity. Why was the media silent about this? Yes, everything is simple. While the Ukrainian factories were busy fulfilling our orders, Kiev did not have a special need to meet the Americans. Why cut the goose that laid the golden eggs?

But after the last Maidan, the situation has changed. For the sake of political goals, Kiev chose to break military-technical cooperation with Russia. The result is pitiable. It turned out that what the Ukrainians, once deservedly, proud of, today is simply outdated factories and production. Moreover, they are so outdated that, instead of modernization, they require almost complete replacement of machines and equipment. Otherwise, it’s a shame to speak about the quality that is needed today.

Poroshenko and the company understood perfectly what had happened. But to return everything to its original position was no longer possible. Russia took up import substitution. Especially in the field of defense. Do you remember the victorious reports of the Ukrainian media about stopping the construction of ships due to the lack of Ukrainian engines, about delays in the release of training aircraft and other things?

However, already in 2016, Russian analogues of Ukrainian products appeared. And where such an analogue has to wait for some time, aggregates from other countries have appeared. But not Ukraine.

The Americans continued to negotiate, not too rushing things. What for? The situation created in Ukraine plays into their hands. The state is falling apart. The economy is in deep crisis. So, after a while Kiev will not only go for all the proposed conditions. Moreover, he himself will offer this option.

We have often heard about the adequacy of Western politicians. The West and the United States do not give Ukraine lethal weapons because they understand that they will be used to kill the Ukrainians themselves. Well, the rest of the performances are about the same style.

And almost no one had a simple question: "And with what kind of reload did the West attend to the lives of Ukrainians?" Why the murder of the old Soviet weapons did not trouble Europe and America, but did modern weapons trouble? Universal answer: modern weapons are more efficient, which means more people will die.

I agree. But, modern weapons offer tremendous advantages to one of the parties. Syria is a great show. The war in the style of the Second World War is no longer relevant for developed countries. Today, it is not at all necessary to throw soldiers into a bayonet attack. It is enough to use modern weapons. Without direct contact of armies.

Forgot the main principle of any Western policy? Nothing personal, just business! And Western business no longer wanted a market. Western business wanted the remaining Ukrainian potential and technology. It is in the defense industry. The politicians simply fulfilled the order.

Now, when the Kiev authorities realized that the country was on the verge, the time had come when the Ukrainian defense complex could be “taken with bare hands”. Now Kiev is ready to give everything for the sake of power. Give with gratitude. This is what the Ambassador of Ukraine to the USA Valery Chaly announced.

In the broadcast channel "112 Ukraine", he stated that it is extremely desirable for Ukraine to organize the joint production of lethal weapons on Ukrainian territory. Moreover, Chaly hopes for the consent of Washington.

“I know that the issue of providing lethal weapons is a sensitive issue. And in truth, it’s not the supplies themselves that are important, but the signal ... This is my idea, which has a chance to be implemented, to produce weapons in cooperation with the Americans on Ukrainian territory, - this is how Mr. Chaly explained his position on the TV channel. "

With a certain degree of confidence, the head of the Ukrainian diplomatic mission noted that in America after his statement, they would “give a signal” to provide Ukraine with a “lethal weapon”.

Dream, dream ...
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  1. +10
    24 August 2016 07: 30
    Somehow my heart does not hurt for the Ukrainian defense industry ..
    1. +3
      24 August 2016 08: 07
      The Americans continued to negotiate, not too hastily. What for? The situation created in Ukraine plays into their hands. The state is falling apart. The economy is in deep crisis.
    2. +5
      24 August 2016 10: 22
      And it doesn’t hurt. And it’s not a shame. And do not mind ...
      When M.S. Gorbachev started the process of the talking shop, he did not think that in some countries the talking shop would be transformed into a jumping room.
      If you jump for a long time, then everything around will begin to crumble and break.
      Z.Y. Or maybe the collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry is a further development of the process of desovetization and decommunization?
      1. 0
        24 August 2016 21: 43
        You want to live and you can’t imagine such a thing!
  2. +4
    24 August 2016 07: 37
    I know that the issue of providing lethal weapons is a sensitive issue. And, to tell the truth, it is not the supplies themselves that are important, but the signal ... This is my idea, which has a chance to be implemented - to produce weapons in cooperation with the Americans on Ukrainian territory, - this is how Mr. Chaly explained his position on the air of the TV channel. "

    It turns out that Kiev plunged into the puddle that Russia managed to pass. That is, almost everything will be produced in Ukraine, and others will dispose and own the products. In general, Ukraine has taken the path of the Baltic states, that is, to ruin the remnants of what they did not manage to ruin in 25 years.
    1. vpm
      0
      26 August 2016 15: 50
      The Ukrainian defense industry makes sense only when it is included in the chain with the Russian. The Americans, in principle, do not place in Ukraine the production of any more or less serious components or systems, Russia is too close. And as an independent player in the arms market, the Ukrainian defense industry is simply not needed by anyone - the market is already divided. As for the production of the entire spectrum of weapons, it is generally not clear, there the simplest ones will soon forget how to do it.
      1. 0
        30 August 2016 04: 01
        any business loves silence - even if it is an arms market ... In Ukraine, it is now very unstable - there are very big risks for business - for anyone. The Americans simply did everything correctly - they threw rotten grains into the rich Ukrainian soil and will wait for seedlings ... a year, ten, fifty. Like at a construction site - put the foundation in soft soil and wait for shrinkage ...
    2. 0
      28 August 2016 13: 11
      That is, almost everything will be produced in Ukraine, and others will dispose and own the products. ,,
      Yes, no fig there will not produce. Perhaps only dangerous production, some, transfer.
  3. Riv
    +12
    24 August 2016 08: 39
    Even Honduras is capable of producing "the entire range of weapons". The author has a naive worldview, at the level of Starcraft. There are not enough gas and crystals to assemble a tank. Thousands of products are needed, from a cast tower to penny gaskets for roller bearings. The tower in Ukraine can still be cast. But where to get gaskets, which were made from a rare brand of fluorocarbon rubber in the Russian Mukhoska? And there is no such rubber in the whole world, only in Russia. Looking for a replacement option? And if this option fails in battle? The client will then demand the money back.

    So on the T-72, which Ukraine knows how to do, you can certainly find a buyer, but ... where are the parts? And now the design technique is not particularly in demand for one thousand nine hundred shaggy year. Somalia will only buy, but how much money does Somalia have?

    In general, to paraphrase Uncle Fedor, in order to sell something unnecessary, you must first collect something unnecessary.
    1. avt
      +1
      25 August 2016 09: 29
      So on the T-72, which Ukraine knows how to do, you can certainly find a buyer, but ... where are the parts?
      Well, all the same, probably the T-64. They sold the T-72 from the stock inherited from the SA of the USSR, well, like the T-80. Otherwise, yes. You are right - no one has canceled the cooperation of production, and most importantly, nowhere in the world has been canceled and the supplier has been replaced sometimes it is not just a dreary business - a helluva lot costly and sometimes too heavy. And according to the article, there is actually nothing to discuss. All this already at the end of 2013 here on the site exalted supporters of the Maidan (and quite literate, well, judging by the comments to the "technical" articles) were told BUT! Not to feed the ragul. cut for scrap! Maybe you can also take something out of the precious metal bully But then Benya was ahead of everyone else, seized the archive and took out the documentation, and there it was possible to profit, raise the dough, even if those Chinese were to sell the same ,,, Spear. " , so he just announced - privatization has failed. Who would have thought !? wassat bully So if there are any regular runs about the "privatization of the defense industry", then it will all be like a drunk for a bubble, or a drug for a dose, the last one takes out of the house - on the security of defense property, or rather scrap metal, there will be loans in banks Just like we did in the 90s.
    2. +1
      26 August 2016 06: 38
      the fact is that: "they need more gold", and they already have wood - in their heads ... for good, it is high time for them all to go to Goodwin hi
  4. 0
    24 August 2016 09: 00
    I wonder how many experts remained in the defense industry. The Soviets are already retired, whether new geniuses have appeared recently, this is the question.
    1. +2
      24 August 2016 09: 05
      And how could they appear if, for 25 years, Antonov, for example, has collected all 33 aircraft? And Kharkov factory in general 25? The aviation industry is forgotten, the defense industry too ...
    2. +3
      24 August 2016 12: 52
      If not then the NAVOZETS tank who killed it and POSOR-B, here they are the geniuses of Ukraine
  5. +2
    24 August 2016 09: 07
    The essence of the issue is not that Ukraine lures sponsors, but that it is finally giving up its economy to the wrong (American) hands. The next step will be the privatization of land by foreign (American investors simply will not be allowed) by investors, with all the ensuing consequences. The question is - what will they call this 51 state? Abamia?
  6. +8
    24 August 2016 09: 51
    404 children just finally merge into the hands of the striped ones. And why all this "politicians", God forgive me, from the interests of their own pockets. In principle, "the Moor has done his job" can be blamed: the economy is on fire, finances are ruined, the country is completely disoriented, and all this joy will soon belong to an uncle on the cheap. I don’t even want to think about the future, but we could live quite nicely and eat deliciously, but the West does not need this ..
  7. +2
    24 August 2016 11: 06
    Nezalezhniki Pets and co, drink away the last crumbs of the Soviet inheritance they got for free. Raguli, because of their "thinking" abilities, do not realize what wealth they have lost.
  8. 0
    24 August 2016 11: 38
    But the interesting question is who will build this production of any production. New manufactures in the USA are built by the Chinese; Europeans; Americans themselves, almost all production was transferred to China Korea. Here's an interesting fact. Colt's products are modern models that are considered worse than the Chinese. The production of rifles for the army was taken away from them by the Austrians. They are building a plant, and they will produce weapons for amers that are ridiculous and this is just a snap. They will transfer the production technology of the Shermans and Thompsons and they don’t have anything else to shine. Everyone knows that in 5 seconds all the documentation will be sold to China.
  9. +1
    24 August 2016 11: 42
    Again promises that it’s about to fall apart. The authors of such articles should be forced to donate money to fulfill the forecast.
    1. +2
      24 August 2016 14: 11
      If a cancerous tumor in the last stage has already metastasized to all organs of the body, then outwardly this may not be visible. Outwardly, he seems to be a living person, but in reality he is already dead, and he lives by and large only by inertia. And in Ukraine, cars go, people go, shops work, but looks are deceiving.
      1. 0
        26 August 2016 14: 34
        I do not agree. This is not a cancerous tumor. And there is no end in sight (as many people draw or want)
        And we are not zombies. Inertia in modern society easily stops. Too many factors affect the modern information stage of civilization. This is not the Middle Ages - where information was processed and moved for quite some time.
        So Ukrainians are not zombies at all (the Internet gives opinions outside the environment) and live not by inertia, but by rebuilding. However, this applies to all people.
        1. +2
          27 August 2016 07: 08
          the Internet is not a panacea for you, it is a tool, and it works in all directions ...
  10. +8
    24 August 2016 11: 43
    "... to produce weapons in cooperation with the Americans on Ukrainian territory", you just give me money, and we will create THIS ...
  11. +1
    24 August 2016 12: 29
    most likely a remnant without defense and weapons
  12. 0
    24 August 2016 12: 38
    [quote = Amur]
    [quote] That is, they will produce almost everything in Ukraine, and others will dispose and own the products. [/ quote]
    This is if Staver’s articles are not taken critically (experience shows that this cannot be done).
    Seriously, it was announced about the joint release of the final product. Most likely, 2-3 joint ventures for the assembly of state-owned equipment of the 3 + generation will be created.
    1. +1
      24 August 2016 14: 47
      Those. statement on joint arms release? And where did you read that? Just wondering for the overall development ..
    2. +1
      28 August 2016 13: 16
      Most likely, 2-3 joint ventures for the assembly of state-owned equipment of the 3+ generation will be created. ,,
      naivety doesn’t leave your heads. will the West close its production and transfer it to you? Well, yes, you have chosen your own path, jump on.
  13. 0
    24 August 2016 13: 03
    This is all to rake us, no matter what emotions were about the Ukrainians and Ukraine. Therefore, the stronger the devastation, the more profitable it is for the West, or rather the United States.
  14. +1
    24 August 2016 13: 49
    just 24.08 watched a parade in Kiev, foil, whirlwind, revenge, hail, peony, with 300 .... all equipment except 10k haamers and patrols originally from the USSR is not produced in Ukraine, so it’s safe to call the non-removable base rem.
    And what is our defense industry the question is who is the shareholder of defense plants? the raider seizures of the same Antei are not news ...
  15. +1
    24 August 2016 14: 05
    The result is deplorable. It turned out that what Ukrainians, once quite deservedly, were proud of, today they are simply outdated factories and production facilities.
    I don't understand how you can be proud of your inheritance. Everything that is in Ukraine was built in the USSR, and according to the "law on decommunization", this is "the shameful legacy of the bloody scoop." And by the way, there are almost no defense specialists left in Ukraine, the youngest is at least 60 years old, and the youth, over the years of "independence", have only learned to ride on the Maidan.
    1. 0
      26 August 2016 14: 39
      decommunization did not set the task of destroying everything created and built in the USSR. It is about symbols. We are not talking about material assets, buildings and weapons.
      Who generally dismisses these stupid jokes. Soviet weapons are reliable and simple. Yes, there’s a pretty good response in every issue of any Ukrainian program about him, or even proudly.
      As for the specialists, yes, the trouble is that in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine. Young people need a high salary, prestige. And now a consumer society, not ideas.
      The truth is young. They take over the experience but not as we would like. Young people today are very mobile and not always gained experience can save on the spot.
      In general, there are problems.
  16. +1
    24 August 2016 14: 38
    There will be production!
    They will produce combat dildos, it’s such a universal weapon, to jump with it, to wave to them, to satisfy themselves, and in case of hunger, to suck!
    Forgive the Lord for laughing at the wretched. Give them a mind pinch.
  17. 0
    24 August 2016 18: 07
    The bottom has not yet been reached, the fall continues.
  18. 0
    24 August 2016 21: 41
    For that fought for it and ran!
  19. MMX
    +1
    26 August 2016 06: 51
    When reading the article there is a feeling that at the end of the text you will find a sensation, a revelation ... and ... no, alas. There is no revelation. Sensations too.

    By sabzh:
    The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is working. To the extent possible, of course, but it works. There are contracts. Now the possibility of cooperation with Western partners instead of the Russian Federation is being discussed. Everything is logical. The process is difficult and painful, but the road will be mastered by walking. With all my rejection of "Ukrainization" and everything that is connected with it (including the ruling elite), one cannot but admit: money is being allocated and potentially the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can achieve decent indicators (if nothing unexpected happens).
    1. 0
      26 August 2016 14: 48
      reading an article besides questions
      How can you write that modern weapons will kill more than weapons of the second world? In general, the accuracy is higher, you don’t need to shoot at civilian squares and so on. Compare cities with land during sieges.
      In general, the logic here is strange and the formulation of the West took care not to kill citizens with new weapons - it killed me completely. That is, Soviet bombs, yes, even in the Stone Age, but you won’t get the modern exact, otherwise you will kill even more? As it does not fit.
      The second question is - what about 2014? They also offered to sell the technology of the Russian Federation to China and at least to someone. And there was no internal order at all! And abroad, no one was in a hurry to take. The situation in the military-industrial complex with orders was worse than now! And just then everyone was selling abroad. So it’s silly to write about that they’ll only sell it now, but before that everything was standing and no one was selling. And previously sold.
      The third question is how to relate to the fact that "while working for us the Americans did not slaughter chicken ...." That is, one of the goals of the Maidan and the conflict is not a violation of cooperation? Did the Americans make profits from turbine engines and whatnot? And what's stopping them? The sanctions of your vassal? It's funny!
      Mixed by the author. Yes, and it contradicts other articles.
      As for the defense industry of Ukraine. Wait too much tumble down there. You can laugh as much as you like, but compare what happened before 2013 and now. Heaven and earth. Militarization in full swing. However, I wrote about it just in 2014.
    2. 0
      28 August 2016 13: 19
      Ukraine can achieve decent performance (if nothing unexpected happens). ,,
      this has already happened, this is the most UNEXPECTED. and it is called-MAIDAN.
  20. +1
    26 August 2016 14: 45
    Quote: Z.O.V.
    The Americans continued to negotiate, not too hastily. What for? The situation created in Ukraine plays into their hands. The state is falling apart. The economy is in deep crisis.

    Well, it’s still a garage-made self-propelled gun, it’s full of samples, for example, the state-owned Zhytomyr Armored Plant (Ukraine) Ovod
  21. +1
    26 August 2016 14: 47
    Yes, the collapse of the Russian-Ukrainian military-technical cooperation and the subsequent paralysis of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is the very first and visible consequence of the wild horse races. This is even worse for Ukrainians than Westinghouse fuel assemblies in nuclear power plants, the loss of coal mining Donbass, the closure of transit and the food embargo.

    On the other hand - why the Great Agrarian Empire gas turbines and helicopter engines? laughing
  22. +1
    27 August 2016 10: 03
    Quote: avg-mgn
    The next step will be the privatization of land by foreign (other American simply will not be allowed) investors


    Yes, it has already taken place, there the Americans in the agricultural holdings are in full charge.
  23. 0
    29 August 2016 12: 52
    In their place, I would be engaged in the production of primitive equipment for the 3 countries. It’s so simple that it would. Armor, a cannon, tracks and I would sell to barmales. And to make it cheaper than the Chinese. Take a niche between us and the Chinese. And that's it. High-class engineers are not needed, old machines can be used .. There is no commercial-productive vein in them. They would just sell everything and wait for Western loans. They will not understand that if they themselves do not take up building Europe within their state, no one will do it for them. The state cannot be in Europe by coup d'état and throwing officials into the ballot box, or by painstaking work on all fronts. IT IS ACTUAL AND FOR US (about painstaking work, and not about primitive equipment laughing ) .Work comrades, work soldier