Published plans for the construction of "Warsaw" for the Pacific Fleet

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Currently, the shipbuilding industry is completing a project for the construction of diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 Varshavyanka for the Black Sea fleet. In the near future it is planned to continue the construction of such submarines, but in the interests of another operational-strategic association. The next series of Varshavyanka will serve as part of the Pacific Fleet.

Plans for the construction of several new diesel submarines of the 636.3 project for the Pacific Fleet were first announced in mid-January of this year. According to the then published data, the navy was going to order the construction of a new series of Varshavyanka submarines, the purpose of which was to strengthen the existing submarine forces in the Pacific. As was the case with the Black Sea Fleet, it was planned to build six boats. The timing of the start of construction and the transfer of finished equipment to the customer was not specified then. Representatives of the fleet were treated with streamlined formulations like "in the near future." Not so long ago, new details of existing plans became known.

In late July, the news agency RIA News published some information received from the Vice-President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation for Military Shipbuilding Igor Ponomarev. The senior shipbuilding manager spoke about the approximate timeframes for the next works, and also named the company where construction is planned to be carried out in accordance with the forthcoming order.


Diesel B-237 "Rostov-on-Don". Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


I. Ponomarev noted that the order for the construction of new "Varshavyanok" has not been signed yet. However, such an order should appear as soon as possible. The contract will stipulate the cost of submarines, as well as the timing of their delivery. The latter, it should be noted, have not yet been named. Soon after the appearance of the official order, the industry will be able to begin construction of the required submarines.

The construction of six diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 project is planned to be entrusted to the enterprise “Admiralty Shipyards” (St. Petersburg). This shipyard is currently completing an order for the supply of six Varshavyanki to the Black Sea Fleet, and has considerable experience in the construction of such submarines. The experience will be used in the construction of the next batch of submarines.

The timing of laying the lead submarine of the new party, as well as the date of signing the construction contract, has not yet been specified. Nevertheless, I. Ponomarev said that these events will take place in the near future. After that, over the next few years, the customer will receive the required submarines, which will be incorporated into the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet.

The 636.3 project is the newest at the moment version of the project of diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka family. Several submarines of this type are already operated by the fleet, two are being tested and are being prepared for transfer to the customer. In the near future, the number of such boats will have to double by building new ships in the interests of the Pacific Fleet.

The construction of the headquarters Varshavyanka for the Black Sea Fleet began in August 2010. At the end of November, the X-NUMX of the Novorossiysk B-2013 boat was launched. In September, 261, she was transferred to the customer, and has now started full service. Construction of the second ship of the series, the Rostov-on-Don B-2014, continued from 237 to 2011. At the very end of 2014, the ship was handed over to the fleet. In the 2014-2012, two more submarines were built: the B-15 "Stary Oskol" and the B-262 "Krasnodar", which have now passed all tests and accepted by the Navy. The ships accepted by the fleet serve as part of the 265-th separate submarine brigade and are based in Novorossiysk.

In March and May 2016, the Admiralty Shipyards launched the last two Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarines for the Black Sea Fleet: the B-268 “Veliky Novgorod” and the B-271 “Kolpino”. Currently, they are on trial and, according to available data, by the end of the year they will be handed over to the Black Sea Fleet. Thus, no later than the first months of next year, the full service of all six boats built for the Black Sea Fleet over the past few years will begin.

Fulfillment of the order for the supply of diesel-electric submarines to the Black Sea Fleet will enable us to proceed with the implementation of plans to re-equip the Pacific. A series of six submarines is again being planned, the construction of which will take several years. The exact dates of commencement of construction are still unknown, but from the available data it follows that the laying of the lead ship of the series will take place before the end of this year. The pace of construction work on the first Varshavyanok series allows us to imagine how quickly the Pacific Fleet will receive new submarines.

The 636.3 “Varshavyanka” diesel-electric submarines are a further development of several previous developments in its class with enhanced features and enhanced capabilities. Boats with an underwater displacement 3950 t equipped with two diesel generators and two electric motors, designed for use in different modes. Submarines carry six nose torpedo tubes of 533 caliber mm. They can be used for firing torpedoes or rockets, as well as for setting mines. It also provides for the transportation of portable anti-aircraft missile systems for self-defense.

In the Varshavyanok armament complex, the Kaliber-PL missile system is of the greatest interest. It provides the ability to use cruise missiles of several types for different purposes. Missiles are launched through standard torpedo tubes from a submerged position. With the help of missiles in service, it is possible to destroy surface, coastal or submarine targets at different ranges.

The combat capabilities of the Kalibr-PL complex have already been tested in practice. In early December last year, the Rostov-on-Don B-237 submarine, being in the Mediterranean, launched several missiles aimed at terrorist targets in Syria. All the targets were successfully destroyed, confirming the high technical characteristics of the missile complex and the combat capabilities of the submarine carrier.

According to the results of testing and operation of already built submarines, it was decided to extend the program of their construction in the interests of another operational-strategic association. Having completed work on the re-equipment of the Black Sea Fleet, the shipbuilding industry - first and foremost the Admiralty Shipyards plant - will begin construction of a new series of submarines for the Pacific Fleet. The laying of the lead ship of this series should take place soon, shortly after the appearance of the relevant contract. Fulfillment of these plans will make it possible to significantly improve the combat strength of the Pacific Fleet and will have a beneficial effect on its combat capability.


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  1. +18
    18 August 2016 06: 45
    stated that these events will take place soon

    "Coming soon" is a good phrase ...
    We, in the near future, are already taking the MiG-35 into service, but we will not accept it. And we are completing the final tests of the T-50. And we are deciding on the appearance of a promising destroyer. We do a lot of other things - all in the "near future". I would like to be specific, let them say at least this decade or not.

    PS Although, according to the idea, there shouldn't be any problems with the construction of the next series of "Varshavyanka", because the Admiralty Shipyards are coping with an order for the Black Sea Fleet "with a bang"
    hi
    1. +2
      18 August 2016 11: 19
      Quote: Wiruz
      We do a lot of other things - all in the "near future". I would like to be specific, let them say at least this decade or not.

      So the fact of the matter is that loud voicing of plans, to put it mildly, does not always coincide with the implementation of these plans. And this despite the fact that most of the plans are by no means enchanting. Unless, of course, you do not take into account statements like "Tu-160 spacewalking". It would be interesting to calculate how high the percentage of implementation of the announced plans is.
    2. +7
      18 August 2016 11: 44
      Quote: Wiruz
      PS Although, according to the idea, there shouldn't be any problems with the construction of the next series of "Varshavyanka", because the Admiralty Shipyards are coping with an order for the Black Sea Fleet "with a bang"

      Not just with a bang: the Admiralty halved the construction time of diesel-electric submarines 636.3 (from bookmark to delivery to the fleet) - from 4 years to 2.
      1. +4
        18 August 2016 12: 02
        When a project in a series - everything is much faster. Conveyor.
        1. +7
          18 August 2016 13: 57
          Diesel boats are very much needed at the Pacific Fleet! Varshavyanka is a serious boat, albeit an outdated project! At least something. Hurry to have already started the release of the next generation with VNEU! But a tit in the hands, as you know, is better than a crane in the clouds. The total "debt" of the Motherland to the Navy is not less than twenty-five diesel-electric submarines. Debts must be repaid !!!
          1. +7
            18 August 2016 15: 18
            Quote: Hunter
            Diesel boats are very necessary at the Pacific Fleet!

            A submarine with anaerobic SU is not needed very much, but immediately. And not only in the Pacific Fleet.
      2. 0
        18 August 2016 20: 47
        For the Pacific Fleet they can come out for a year. Series are all series.
    3. 0
      19 August 2016 18: 26
      Quote: Wiruz
      "Coming soon" is a good phrase ...
      In the near future, we are already taking the MiG-35 into service, but still we won’t accept it.

      In the fall of 2016 they promise ...
    4. 0
      4 October 2016 11: 17
      Why Peter? That Komsomolsk was completely shredded with metal? Of course, it is not possible to build something like Atlantis everywhere, and Varshavyanka must be built on the spot ....
  2. +2
    18 August 2016 06: 59
    The construction of six diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 is planned to be entrusted to the Admiralty Shipyards enterprise (St. Petersburg).

    Here is the flag in their hands. Let them build well, efficiently and on time!
    1. +2
      18 August 2016 12: 04
      There are no complaints about the quality of AV, but there are not so many slipways.
  3. +2
    18 August 2016 07: 43
    Poles, I wonder, from impotent spite in the city will not escape because of the name of the project?
    PS Although, in principle, one must be proud!
  4. +2
    18 August 2016 09: 15
    I wonder why now there are enough 6 boats for the Black Sea Fleet, when before the Second World War there were about 50 boats there?
    1. +5
      18 August 2016 12: 19
      Yes, they are not enough, you need at least six more, but so far at least.
      The plans were made up to "Crimea-Nash" and the capacity of the Novorossiysk naval base is just 6-7 submarines, plus a BDK brigade, plus a TFR brigade, plus MRK and so on. Now in Sevastopol you can place a lot of things - a submarine division and a ship division.
    2. +6
      18 August 2016 16: 04
      Quote: Eugene RS
      I wonder why now there are enough 6 boats for the Black Sea Fleet, when before the Second World War there were about 50 boats there?

      Because 1 is a modern submarine due to the complexity of the design and the complexity of manufacturing as 5-10 submarines of the time of the Second World War.
      Because Varshavyanka is a temporary measure until the launch of the Kalina series. So, Varshavyanki in the Pacific theater will lose autonomy to the Japanese Soryu equipped with VNEU.
      And finally, because in the years of the Second World War, submarines did not have homing torpedoes of 50-kilometer speed and anti-ship missile systems that hit kilometers on 300.
    3. 0
      18 August 2016 20: 49
      So the radius of target detection and the radius of the affected areas has increased many times.
  5. +6
    18 August 2016 09: 36
    Quote: Eugene RS
    I wonder why now there are enough 6 boats for the Black Sea Fleet, when before the Second World War there were about 50 boats there?

    Compare performance characteristics of WWII and modern boats. There were no boats like 636.3 at the Black Sea Fleet, half were Malyutki VI (160t) and XII (190t) series, 5 pieces of boats A (Holland) from the 1st World War. 15 pieces of Pike at 600 tons, 3 boats D of the first series (970t) and 3 boats L of the second series (1000t).
    1. +8
      18 August 2016 11: 02
      Quote: Potter
      Compare performance characteristics of WWII and modern boats.

      TTX is good, of course.
      I propose to look at the question from the other side.
      Imagine that all the power (well, or tactical capabilities) of the submarine fleet is "smeared" across fifty submarines in option # 1 and six submarines in option # 2. With the loss of one submarine in option No. 1, the overall capabilities of the underwater component are reduced by two percent. In the second option, they are reduced by 16,66 percent.
      I do not call for riveting a bunch of cheap pelvis. But there must be some kind of "golden section" between the dress of forces and taking into account the circumstances that accidentally arise in the war.
      1. +1
        18 August 2016 12: 08
        Everything is determined by how many submarines you need to have on combat duty. At least 3 - one on the BS, the second in reserve and is preparing to change the first, third in average repair. If you need 2 boats on duty, there should already be 6 boats.
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  6. +1
    18 August 2016 09: 41
    It also provides for the transport of portable anti-aircraft missile systems for self-defense.
    Something new. At least for me, it makes me think a lot.
    1. +1
      18 August 2016 11: 37
      on all of our modern boats they carry a certain number of MANPADS for self-defense, I don’t know about imported ones, but for the export that we supply they also seem to put equipment for using MANPADS.
      1. 0
        18 August 2016 12: 14
        And they drove it before. MANPADS "Strela-3M" (9K34) in the amount of one piece. As protection against attempts to hijack a boat from a helicopter.
  7. +3
    18 August 2016 09: 50
    Finally, something will fall into the Pacific Fleet. It’s high time, and besides 2 Boreev, all the warships of the Pacific Fleet are the legacy of the USSR Navy.
    1. +6
      18 August 2016 11: 44
      Be careful with the heritage of the USSR. Both Borea and Varshavyanka are still the legacy of the USSR. Now there is a lot of talk about Kalina (fifth generation submarine). Varshavyanka belong to the third. So, from the third and immediately into the fifth, but sometime later, but for now only the third (Soviet). The fourth, to which the Lada was assigned, do not want to be remembered. PR is a thin thing. Trending - not carrying bags.
      1. 0
        18 August 2016 12: 21
        Lada differs from Varshavyanka only wind turbines, which are trying to "finish".
        1. +3
          18 August 2016 12: 51
          Quote: Andrey77
          Lada from Varshavyanka differs only wind turbines

          I apologize, but you are wrong - everything is different there. More modern hack and so on
          1. +1
            18 August 2016 13: 00
            SJSC "Irbis" MGK-400EM-03? It fits easily on Varshavyanka. What else is there that is not on the MODERN versions of the 877 project?
            1. +4
              18 August 2016 13: 29
              Quote: Andrey77
              AK "Irbis" MGK-400EM-03? It fits easily on Varshavyanka.

              Talking about "easy" or "not easy" is not entirely rewarding. The fact is, it's not worth it.
              Quote: Andrey77
              What else is there that is not present on the MODERN versions of the 877 project?

              10 missile silos for "Caliber", for example. BIUS "Lad" was supposed to be completely different (Lithium) New approaches to noise (Lada was supposed to be 2 times quieter than 877). A large degree of automation (crew 636.3 - 52 people, Lada - 36) And all sorts of things there ...
              1. +1
                18 August 2016 20: 57
                BIUS "Lad" should have been completely different (Lithium)
                And what did "Lad" not please you?

                Lada was supposed to be 2 times quieter than 877
                Due to what? Andrey, you are well versed in naval affairs. And you know how to weed out defense industry advertising from real opportunities.
          2. +2
            18 August 2016 15: 20
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I apologize, but you are wrong - everything is different there. More modern hack and so on

            That's right. Only the Lada series do not want to continue, and Kalina is only in development.
            1. +1
              18 August 2016 20: 59
              The problem with VNEU. And without VNEU it is the same "Halibut", side view.
        2. +5
          18 August 2016 12: 55
          Quote: Andrey77
          Lada differs from Varshavyanka only wind turbines, which are trying to "finish".


          Not certainly in that way. The development of the technical design of diesel-electric submarines under the code “Lada” was carried out in the Central Design Bureau of MT “Rubin” with the support of the Commander-in-Chief Chernavin at the turn of the 1980's.
          Then there was still no question of VNEU.
          On July 26, 2005, on the eve of the Navy Day, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief, Admiral of the Fleet Vladimir Kuroyedov, said in an interview with RIA Novosti the following: “On July 28, the first serial diesel submarine of the fourth generation Kronshtadt will be laid down at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. It can be noted with confidence that along with the start of the serial construction of surface ships in the near sea zone, we are starting today the serial construction of the newest diesel-electric submarines of the 677 project. "
          In other words, they were already laid as diesel-electric, and nothing more.
          But, the laying of new boats without VNEU in 2005, when Gotland and 212 plowed the vast seas, was a mistake, which was voiced by another Commander-in-Chief of the Navy V. Vysotsky in 2012: “The Russian Navy does not need the Lada in its current form. We do not need new "brains" with weapons that would sit on the energy of the Second World War. What for? Who needs it? "
          As for "finishing", I don't know anything about the numbers. Rumor has it that someone has done a very good job with fuel cells, but I don’t convey rumors. But the fact that they have been sawing for so many years and not finishing is depressing. In TsNII SET, this was done by specialists who know exactly whose managers were holding the saw in their hands.
          1. -1
            18 August 2016 13: 05
            I apologize, but all this is demagogy. Anything to argue with numbers and facts?
            1. +3
              18 August 2016 13: 28
              Quote: Andrey77
              I apologize, but all this is demagogy. Anything to argue with numbers and facts?

              Andrey, do you "want" objections with figures and facts? But, the word "object" means - to give refuting arguments, to speak against, to declare their disagreement.
              What should I "deny", or "declare my disagreement? Speak, please. And then suddenly it turns out that I do not mind at all."
              Forgive me too, but demanding objections and refutations from me for something that I do not know is nothing more than "misleading the audience", which is the definition of the word "demagoguery".
              1. 0
                18 August 2016 21: 05
                Excuse me, but I said "Lada differs from Varshavyanka only with wind turbines, which they are trying to" finish off "." You answer that "not quite so." I want to know what else. You gave me Kuroyedov's statement as much as 2005 ... And what should I call it?
                1. +1
                  19 August 2016 02: 00
                  Quote: Andrey77
                  Excuse me, but I said "Lada differs from Varshavyanka only with wind turbines, which they are trying to" finish off "." You answer that "not quite so." I want to know what else. You gave me Kuroyedov's statement as much as 2005 ... And what should I call it?

                  You are a stubborn person. The head boat "St. Petersburg" was laid in the 1997 year as a conventional diesel-electric submarine. What else do you need? He does not like Commander-in-Chief Kuroyedov. Do not like it, do not eat.
      2. +1
        18 August 2016 16: 06
        Vladimir, I'm sorry, but you didn't read my comment carefully! I did not write a word about the "legacy of the USSR", I wrote specifically the following:

        Quote: slm976
        except 2's Boreev, all the warships of the Pacific Fleet are the legacy of the USSR Navy.


        - that is, all the ships of the Pacific Fleet, except for the 2-x strategic missile carriers built in Russia (I completely agree with you about Soviet developments) were inherited by the Pacific Fleet from the Soviet Navy. I specifically meant the age of these ships, and the fact that the renewal of the Pacific Fleet was long overdue.
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        3. 0
          18 August 2016 17: 02
          Quote: slm976
          Vladimir, I'm sorry, but you didn't read my comment carefully! I did not write a word about the "legacy of the USSR", I wrote specifically the following:

          Quote: slm976
          except 2's Boreev, all the warships of the Pacific Fleet are the legacy of the USSR Navy.


          - that is, all the ships of the Pacific Fleet, except for the 2-x strategic missile carriers built in Russia (I completely agree with you about Soviet developments) were inherited by the Pacific Fleet from the Soviet Navy. I specifically meant the age of these ships, and the fact that the renewal of the Pacific Fleet was long overdue.



          I read you very carefully. I understood that you meant the age of the ships, and that you are glad to have new ships, regardless of what their design is "yesterday". I understood you very well, and I agree with you that yesterday's designs are better than nothing at all. My comment did not apply to you personally. I deliberately removed the Navy in order to draw attention to the fact that Russia to this day uses the USSR's reserve in the construction of the fleet (and not only the fleet), including engineering personnel and schools, at the same time anathematizing its (USSR) social gains. And there it is very difficult to separate one from the other. History is what it is, not what high-paid PR people make it.
          1. +1
            18 August 2016 20: 10
            Vladimir, the fact that Russia uses the technological reserve of the USSR, only says that continuity has not disappeared in the design bureaus and in production, it’s right, it should be so, it means that over the years of collapse we saved much more than we say 15 years ago I could guess. As for the demonization of the USSR, thank God, this period of our history has already passed, and history is putting everything in its place, now the collapse of the USSR is perceived as a tragedy of our people, which slowed down the development of our country for at least 20 years. The main thing now is not to repeat the mistakes of the past and not to let your country plunge into political instability and crisis again.
            1. +5
              19 August 2016 01: 21
              I don't quite understand what you mean by "demonization of the USSR". The USSR did not collapse by accident. In recent years, the country has been ruled by stupid people. But, this is a separate issue. Communists in power were asked to use the experience of Yugoslav market socialism. It never existed in the USSR. There was something similar under the NEP, but not very much. When I asked one associate professor of the Higher School of Art in Leningrad in 1985 why they do not want to adopt the Yugoslav experience, this economist made huge eyes and exclaimed: “Do you imagine what inflation is in Yugoslavia? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. was 8%. " Where is Yugoslavia today? I suspect that it was destroyed for this.
              This is for the economy.
              And there was also ideology. The country in the eighties already lived according to other rules, and dogma remained at the level of the twenties.
              And yet, there was a certain decency. When a communist defeated 1989 in St. Petersburg in the year, but the turnout was 49%, the elections were not counted. Compare this event with today's selective cynicism.
              By the way, I have never been a member of the CPSU. Fundamentally.
              And one more small fact: I kept my voucher as an indulgence, as a proof to myself, so that no organizer of fraudulent privatization would dare reproach me for participating in this "show".
              But the achievements of the USSR-they can’t be shut up. Social elevators, equal opportunities with free education, free medicine. Yes, the diagnostic equipment was lagging. But, in the seventies, a person was discharged from the sick-list if the results of the tests showed that he was healthy. And there was collectivism. Today - individual pragmatism. What's better?
              It is not worth demonizing the USSR, but it is worth remembering that the USA did not bomb Russia today just because the USSR was yesterday with its scientists, engineers, technicians, and workers. But tomorrow there is a risk of being bombed. The country is in deep crisis, and you are afraid that it will fall into it. Late to be afraid, get out should be.
              1. +1
                19 August 2016 06: 29
                By the demonization of the USSR, I mean attempts to cover up all the pages of our country's history with black paint, after 1917 and until 1991. This approach to national history was very common after the victory of "liberal democracy" in our country in 1991 and up to 2000 ... I do not agree with your thesis that in its last years the USSR was led by "stupid people" (except for the fool Gorbachev), these people (the party elite of our country) were smart enough, they just were not satisfied with the situation when they controlled huge resources countries, not owning them, so they muddied the scrapping of the system, after which they divided the state. own. That is, the party elites betrayed their country and their people because of their selfish interests.
                As for the crisis, when I wrote about "political instability and crisis" I did not mean economics, but politics, in 1917, in 1991, our country was in a "political crisis" and it was precisely in this situation, I don't think it’s allowed anymore. And the economy ... let's get out, not for the first time.
                1. +3
                  20 August 2016 01: 25
                  We won't get out with Vladimir Putin. This is a protege of Chubais and Co. You didn’t even notice how Primakov was removed, who in a short time pulled the country's economy out of its ass, and the last nail was driven into it by the "kinder surprise" (S. Kiriyenko).
                  In 2012, the Council for Economic Modernization and Innovative Development of Russia was established. Look at its composition. Yes Yes. There again our, slightly grown, "kinder surprise". Deja vu? No, this is not yet deja vu. There is also A. Chubais. Let's get out, get out. Are you sure we're getting out in the right direction? I get the impression that we have to go in the opposite direction. "Liberals" operated for 8 years. Primakov is one year old. Putin is 16 years old. For 16 years, Stalin industrialized the country, without which it would have been impossible to win the war against Hitler's Germany. Science and technology have developed rapidly.
                  When I entered in 1972. on the first year of Voenmech, the first audience for me was a class where in the center stood the "old woman" S-60 - the same one that they began to design back in the war years (1944), 16 years after the start of industrialization. Today I am already a pensioner, and I am sad when people write with happiness when discussing the AU220M Baikal combat module and thank V. Putin.
                  1. 0
                    4 January 2017 19: 23
                    ++++++ !!!!!!! Speak the truth! The current idiots in the leadership and for a hundred years will not do what smart people who previously ruled the country for a dozen did ...
  8. +6
    18 August 2016 10: 53
    And all the same in vain Komsomolsk was discarded from the "tail": we transfer (sell) the technology to the Indians, and they eat up their last horse after Cupid without salt? B. Stone, too, will not shake: the USC Far Eastern division is breathing well, everything is pass ...? Well, there is still a small margin of pre-war time - restore the bastards shipbuilding capacity, otherwise it will be too late! Is this not clear to "effective managers"?
  9. 0
    18 August 2016 11: 43
    With the help of missiles armed with weapons, surface, coastal or underwater targets at various ranges.

    I didn’t understand something: the caliber can shoot at submarines or was referring to 533mm. torpedoes?
    1. +1
      18 August 2016 11: 46
      Quote: silver_roman
      I didn’t understand something: the caliber can shoot at submarines or was referring to 533mm. torpedoes?

      There are also PLURs in the "caliber" family - 91R1 and 91RT2.
    2. 0
      18 August 2016 11: 47
      of course can smile
    3. +2
      18 August 2016 11: 53
      Quote: silver_roman
      I didn’t understand something: the caliber can shoot submarines

      Can. Rocket torpedo - we shoot as a torpedo from TA, it departs from the submarine, takes off, flies through the air to the area of ​​the enemy submarine, gets splashed. And as a warhead, she has a 324-mm torpedo with 60 kg of TNT equivalent.
    4. +2
      18 August 2016 12: 24
      Caliber is a carrier platform. You can screw on a torpedo missile, you can use a conventional or special warhead. Constructor.
  10. -1
    18 August 2016 11: 49
    For all its merits, the Varshavyanka at the moment are morally obsolete and cannot in any way withstand the Japanese submarines of the Shuryu type, riveting of obsolete submarines clearly shows that Russia has lagged behind its Western partners in the construction of non-nuclear submarines 5-6 years do not cook anything worthwhile.
    1. +5
      18 August 2016 11: 54
      Quote: fomin
      With all its merits, the Varshavyanka at this point in time are morally obsolete and cannot in any way withstand the Japanese submarines of the Shuryu type.

      Why? laughing
      Quote: fomin
      the riveting of obsolete submarines clearly shows that Russia has lagged behind its Western partners in the construction of nuclear submarines for a long time, and in even a 5-6 year perspective they do not concoct anything worthwhile.

      Once again, curing the polymers.
    2. +2
      18 August 2016 12: 34
      First, let's figure out what it means morally obsolete. AKM is morally obsolete twenty years ago, so what? This is a completely lethal infantry weapon, SUFFICIENT to complete tasks. In aviation, this is no longer the case and the MIG-21 will certainly be in a losing situation before the F-18. But in the shooter practically nothing has changed. As in our case - DEPL.
      1. PKK
        +1
        18 August 2016 20: 44
        I would not agree about the MiG21. It depends on the capabilities of the missile that the MiG will carry. If the rocket can find the target in advance and rush to it, then the old man will win, and if he is still given a non-smoking engine.
        1. 0
          18 August 2016 21: 18
          In your case, no glider is needed at all. If the rocket is so smart, it can also be launched from a drone.
  11. +1
    18 August 2016 12: 15
    In general, I personally am only for. While we do not have a new submarine with VNEU, we need to do what we have.
    In the Baltic Fleet, we have TWO 30-35-year-old submarines.
    At SF 5 (+3 conditionally combat-ready), plus nuclear submarines.
    At the Pacific Fleet 6 (+2) Primorye, Kamchatka-Premier League.
    Until the Black Sea Fleet, until recently, ONE, now the glory of Gd is getting better.
    During the construction and operation of Project 636, it’s 10-15 years, it will be possible to bring VNEU and begin rearmament with the Northern Fleet.
    In the Baltic, a large fleet unfortunately loses its importance. It is now almost fragmented and blocked, as soon as the database starts - it will immediately be lost or locked up at the bases, or in the Gulf of Finland. Whether it is worth strengthening it with submarines and large NKs is not clear.
    1. +2
      18 August 2016 12: 43
      Fighting in the Baltic is practically excluded. No one to conflict, no one claims. Everything has long been divided. 2 boats + 4 frigates on the BF - that’s enough. And the Gulf of Finland is 100% covered by aviation and missile defense. Everything is shot through there.
      1. +1
        18 August 2016 15: 57
        Quote: Andrey77
        Fighting in the Baltic is practically excluded.

        The key is practical.
        Quote: Andrey77
        boats + 4 frigates on the BF - quite enough.

        This is redundant. Purely for the BF, keeping ships above the corvette (to bypass the INF Treaty) does not make sense. In essence, there are 4 units. 20380 left to squeeze two pieces. And renew the park MrK in the face of 6 units. 20800.
        The only reason for which frigates can be deployed is to quickly strengthen the naval forces in the Mediterranean.

        Objectively, frigates for the Russian Navy are needed only in the Mediterranean region and the Black Sea Fleet. Otherwise, the most adequate are full-fledged destroyers with a displacement of 7-8 thousand tons.
        For these purposes, a well-fed 22350 will do just fine. Frigates, on the other hand, are best accustomed specifically to these open spaces.

        Using these findings, we can say that:
        - 3 units. 22350 already mortgaged are most profitable to place on the BF;
        - 3 units. 11356 it is desirable to complete and put on the Black Sea Fleet having received a full-fledged division of TFR of 6 units.

        For tof and sf lay a series of 12-14 units. 22350m.
        With a displacement of 7-8 thousand tons, 4 gas turbines similar to the base 22350 and doubled the number of missiles and air defense.
  12. +2
    18 August 2016 12: 41
    Strengthen the BF with submarines - if only by Babies, they scare the Swedes and roam the Finnish skerries in search of forgotten boxes with vodka. The uselessness of large submarines at the Baltic Theater proved the Second World War.
    1. +1
      18 August 2016 12: 48
      Neither Sweden, nor Finland, nor Estonia are eager to attack Russia. 2 boats are enough. The Iskanders in Kaliningrad are holding all these countries at gunpoint.
    2. 0
      19 August 2016 17: 08
      Quote: Potter
      Strengthen the BF with submarines - if only by Babies, they scare the Swedes and roam the Finnish skerries in search of forgotten boxes with vodka. The uselessness of large submarines at the Baltic Theater proved the Second World War.

      All true.
      Varshavyanka needed on the SF and Pacific Fleet
  13. 0
    18 August 2016 16: 34
    Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! The boat building technology at the "Admiralty Shipyards" has already been established, as well as contacts with agents. Yes, the boats are not the newest, but these are better than none ... I think they will cope in 6 years and this will be a good strengthening of the Pacific Fleet. And there the boats with VNEU will be built.
  14. 0
    18 August 2016 18: 13
    They write that the preparation of test benches for testing domestic engines is close to completion - http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%98%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0% BE% D0% B7% D0% B0% D
    0%BC%D0%B5%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B55/
    Unfortunately - there are no clear dates there either.
  15. +1
    18 August 2016 18: 27
    "It also provides for the transportation of portable anti-aircraft missile systems for self-defense."
    Great ... transportation ... for self-defense .... Bent over. Somehow "not in Russian". Probably - they are armed with MANPADS, all the same, and not "carry" for the same self-defense.
  16. PKK
    0
    18 August 2016 20: 51
    Okay, we drank money at VNEU, but no one knows through whom the money went. The data on the saw cutters is more secret than the secrets of recent developments. And the homeland must know its heroes by sight.
  17. 0
    19 August 2016 10: 51
    Quote: Andrey77
    AKM is morally obsolete twenty years ago, so what? This is a completely lethal infantry weapon, SUFFICIENT to complete tasks.

    From a bow or crossbow, and now you can put anyone, but for some reason they do not fight, do not know why?
    What makes you think AK is out of date? A product becomes morally obsolete when it is replaced by a more perfect sample, and has not yet been made more perfect than AKs, when I do it then it will be obsolete.
    1. 0
      21 August 2016 12: 09
      From a bow or crossbow, and now you can put anyone, but for some reason they do not fight, do not know why?

      Why do you think so? Crossbows are in service with special units of almost all countries of the world.

      and more perfect than AK yet not done

      Done. And how long. But AK has a huge trump card - production (including cartridge). Those. price. There is no money to build a plant for the production of a more perfect sample. Moreover, there is no money for the release of a cartridge other than 7.62x39 or 5.45x39, except for the NATO 5.56 x 45 cartridge (.223 Rem) (for hunters and practical shooters Barnaul somehow rivets).
  18. 0
    19 August 2016 17: 06
    Warsaw’s are purely torpedo. How could they shoot terrorists?
    1. 0
      19 August 2016 21: 02
      Since the beginning of the 80 of the last century, cruise missiles have been developed for the torpedo caliber 533 mm. For Americans, this is Tomahawk. They shot them in Yugoslavia in the 1999 year
  19. 0
    4 January 2017 19: 02
    Yes, the country has dropped to such a small level that launching SIMPLY BOATS (!) Is already a whole event ... and these boats ... they need to be riveted a dozen a year and then you won’t have time ... but here alone plans and then microscopic ...