State defense order slips

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Due to the fact that in recent years, the Russian defense industry is faced with a clear problem related to the inability of all 100% to comply with the requirements under the state defense order, it is important to raise the question of how things are going this year. There are difficulties, and they are connected with the fact that the heads of a number of enterprises, signing the document’s points on the performance of a certain type of work within the state defense order, ultimately state that it’s impossible to complete all the works for the deadline indicated in the document - there are many reasons. And these reasons deserve special attention.

First, official information on the progress of the implementation of the state defense order in Russia. Despite the fact that this information was published more than a month ago (there is no new data yet), we can conclude about the trend in terms of the implementation of orders from the state by defense enterprises.

Thus, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Yury Borisov, during a visit to Primorye Arsenyev, where the Ka-52 Alligator helicopters are being assembled, told reporters that by the end of June, the SDO had been completed by almost 40%. Given the fact that the second half of the year usually brings a greater percentage of sales, it can be concluded that the planned targets can be achieved. Can be achieved, and can and ...

Already after 4 of the day after the announcement of 40% performed by the GOZ, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov raised the question that there are enterprises in the country whose arrears continue to grow. Among others, for example, the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, which last year, as part of the state defense order, was supposed to hand over two corvettes of the 20380 project, but something went wrong ... It seems that the leadership is new, and the funding has not decreased, and the deadlines moved again.

State defense order slips


RIA News cited a statement by Yuri Borisov:
Now four contracts are being implemented at the plant. These are the corvettes of the 20380 project. Two corvettes were supposed to be delivered last year. Therefore, we will deal with the new management of the plant, as they plan to correct the situation. We hope that this year the first corvette will be handed over. We want to make sure how well and systematically organized the work on the completion of the rest. The future of orders depends on it. We have already spoken about this and will not hide, if the Amur Shipbuilding Plant enters the schedule, we will place more orders. We have a plan to place additional orders.


That is, the Defense Ministry speaks in an extremely clear language: by fulfilling the plans of the state defense order on time and without overstating the “tariffs”, the enterprise will continue to receive orders for the creation of military equipment. And this is money, and jobs, and social guarantees, and taxes to the regional and municipal budgets. If the breakdown continues, the answer to the question about the effectiveness of such an enterprise will be unequivocal - with all the ensuing consequences for both the enterprise itself and its workforce, which becomes hostage, to put it mildly, not always clear actions by the management of the enterprise.

What is one of the reasons why enterprises are often unable to fulfill their obligations under a contract with the country's defense ministry? One of the reasons most often stated by enterprise managers looks like this: but what did you want if sanctions were imposed against Russia and we are deprived of the opportunity to purchase components we are interested in in a number of segments of the foreign market.

This reason actually looks very serious. Indeed, the situation in terms of productive trade contacts with the European Union or with the same Ukraine has changed for the worse, and it would be strange not to recognize. However, when the leadership of an enterprise at every step is trying to argue the failure of the state defense order in its segment for exactly this reason, I would like to ask: in 2011, 2012, 2013, too, “sanctions” were to blame? .. So there was no sanction. And the performance of the GOZ on 100% was not there either. How so...

It is worth recalling that in 2011, the percentage of sales of the GOZ barely reached 90%. By 2013, the bar has risen to 93% - after personal intervention in the process of President Vladimir Putin. On the one hand 90-93 percent - a lot. But on the other hand, this suggests that billions of budget funds were suspended in the air without any sanctions if the 7-10% GOZH were not fulfilled on time.

At the same time, the management system of enterprises complained about everything and everyone, stating that the majority of the staff were retired, now excessive wear of machine tools and other equipment, or the absence of any additional subsidies from the state. At the same time, a rare person from the composition of the above-mentioned management system cited himself as one of the main reasons for the failure of contract execution plans. A rare "effective manager" directed the proper amount of money earned by an enterprise to train the same workers and engineering personnel, to upgrade equipment, to a system of incentives for personnel.

When elementary inquiries were received from the educational institutions of primary and secondary vocational education to the management of enterprises engaged in the GOZ system, so that students had the opportunity to do practical work, then a considerable percentage of “effective managers” of a number of enterprises (and these are not empty words, but reality almost the entire post-Soviet period) just waved his hands. There is only one argument: we have enough of our own problems, and here we will still be teaching “your” work. It’s hard to imagine something like that even 30-35 years ago.

And in general, an interesting movie ... How is it possible after such a response to call the lack of personnel as an argument for disruption in time? Where does this enterprise come from in this case? And the state structures simply shrug their hands, saying: well, we can't just take and oblige a private trader to provide an opportunity for students to practice ... But this is one of the real causes of problems with the same state defense order: an enterprise undertakes to fulfill the state order, but it does not take into account the related interests of the state - even for the same training of qualified workers and engineering personnel; and the state itself is also not ready to ask hard. Unless, then the debriefing begins ... When part of the funds has already settled, it is not clear where, and it must be found and returned, but will you return it when, according to the law, “everything is not so simple” with the question of confiscation of property.

From the reporting documentation of one of the enterprises employed in the defense system of the Voronezh Region (ARZ-711) (published in general access mode): education and training of enterprise personnel - 22 thousand rubles, introduction of new technological processes - 34 thousand rubles. Oh, how the management has become generous ... Already 22 thousands per year for staff training. Yes, another cognac leader drinks a large amount per day ...

From the report of the same enterprise for 2013 year: accepted production workers - 46, dismissed production workers - 61. Total accepted - 93, fired - 103. Trend.

Today, this company receives information that "there are orders - there are no spare parts." And again the same argument: sanctions, loss of suppliers.

In this case, we can conclude that the management of such enterprises, initially knowing about the problems with the presence of suppliers, still signs a number of contracts for the execution of certain works with the Ministry of Defense. Well, at least earlier it could be attributed to “Vasilyevschina” and “Serdyukovschina”, and now to whom? .. And this is so in a number of enterprises, one way or another connected with the implementation of the state defense order.

It is clear that there are problems, that there are a lot of them. But in general, the main reason for the breakdowns, it seems, is connected with the responsibility of “effective” managers. There is no responsibility - and the result will show problems, even if the state is ready to allocate substantial sums to the defense industry. They will continue to seek out the extreme anywhere, while forgetting to count themselves ...

And still, we hope that by the end of 2016 for the first time in recent years, the implementation of the state defense order will be 100%. Moreover, there are quite a few enterprises in our country, whose management precisely realizes their responsibility, and who are ready to make every effort so that their prestige is not squandered.
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  1. +13
    3 August 2016 06: 18
    And such a disaster is not only in the defense industry ...
    1. +25
      3 August 2016 06: 38
      I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!
      1. +11
        3 August 2016 07: 08
        Quote: Hunter
        I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!

        This "should" cannot exist in our vegetarian times. It cannot, and that's it. There is an equally effective way of influencing "effective" managers: hitting the egg ... in the sense, on the wallet. But he, damn it, does not always work, because sometimes a non-performing state defense order is the only supplier of this product (option - the rest are loaded so that you cannot do without it). Here in the Ministry of Defense they swear, gnash their teeth, but in fact they cannot transfer the order to another for various reasons, nor ask him in full ...
        1. +22
          3 August 2016 07: 20
          Moore! 07.08/XNUMX. And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses? So the war is on, shops and roads are destroyed, people are killed and mobilized! I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going. For business or personal wallet? Many tryndely about an effective market economy but stubbornly stuck to government orders. But with guaranteed purchase and payment, you still get an ass. Maybe some worthless figures should be introduced to the life and laws of the zone? Everyone got acquainted with a rich life, now we need to get acquainted with the other side of life.
          1. +12
            3 August 2016 09: 29
            Quote: 34 region
            Moore! 07.08/XNUMX. And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses? So the war is on, shops and roads are destroyed, people are killed and mobilized! I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going. For business or personal wallet? Many tryndely about an effective market economy but stubbornly stuck to government orders. But with guaranteed purchase and payment, you still get an ass. Maybe some worthless figures should be introduced to the life and laws of the zone? Everyone got acquainted with a rich life, now we need to get acquainted with the other side of life.

            This is the point! +
            The author asks a question and answers it himself:
            What is one of the reasons why enterprises are often unable to fulfill their obligations under a contract with the country's defense ministry? One of the reasons most often stated by enterprise managers looks like this: but what did you want if sanctions were imposed against Russia and we are deprived of the opportunity to purchase components we are interested in in a number of segments of the foreign market.

            It is clear that there are problems, that there are many of them. But in general, the main reason for the breakdowns, I think, connected with the responsibility of “effective” managers. There is no responsibility - and the result will be problems, even if the state is ready to allocate significant amounts to the defense industry. They will continue to search for the extreme anywhere, while forgetting to count themselves ...

            Stalin simply solved such problems: did not fulfill on time - explain yourself to the tribunal! The directly guilty and top management are on the hit list ... Then there is no desire to look for excuses, but with enviable zeal they find ways to solve the problem on time! At a minimum, they will sound the alarm bell in the event of any complications in order to preempt the deadline ...
            1. +2
              3 August 2016 12: 49
              From the reporting documentation of one of the enterprises of the Voronezh region employed in the defense system (ARZ-711) (published in the general access mode): education and training of the personnel of the enterprise - 22 thousand rubles, the introduction of new technological processes - 34 thousand rubles. Oh, how management has become generous ... Already 22 thousand a year for staff training. Yes, another leader drinks cognac for a larger amount per day...
              ... hmm, as they say loudest of all, "stop the thief, the thief himself screams" ... you feel the author is very well versed in the cost of cognac, you would like Alexei Batkovich Volodin, it would not hurt to bring your "articles" to 100% non-bias and to learn to start collecting and analyzing facts ... by how to read "such" just as they say "not into what gate":
              From the report of the same enterprise for 2013 year: accepted production workers - 46, dismissed production workers - 61. Total accepted - 93, fired - 103. Trend.
              ... what is the trend? ... what's the trend? ... the essence of what? ... who said it was bad? ... A. Volodin? ... has he been there himself? ... what's going on in production? ... but, the author does not care, he just takes "accepted" - "fired" and gets negative values ​​and concludes = tendency ... but, as the author explains, among all the "fired" are those who are fired in connection with retirement ... a simple example, at 121 ARZ Old Town (Kubinka) all pneumatic tools, 10 pensioners - locksmiths, production workers ... modernize the industrial gas system and get 2 full-time positions for maintenance ... - 8 .. perhaps quite ... but A. Volodin does not bother him with the help of primary school mathematics, it was necessary to get - a tendency ... laughing
              1. +2
                3 August 2016 17: 18
                . but A. Volodin doesn’t care about him with the help of primary school mathematics, needed to get - a trend


                hi Dear, I take off my hat. A cursory glance at the article, and the same opinion, Alex snapped into the puddle of the article. Give the country coal, fine, but to ***!
            2. +5
              3 August 2016 13: 39
              Quote: bovig
              Stalin simply solved such problems: did not fulfill on time - explain yourself to the tribunal!

              Stalin had one form of ownership in the defense industry - the sovereign. And decisions were made only by the RESPONSIBLE (and hence RESPONSIBLE) person. Now the decisions are made by someone's son, and the director is responsible, according to the classic zits-chairman Pound. The lady sat down for "Bulgaria". Can she distinguish the crinoline from the shining on the steamer? And don't. Her job is to sit if anything. Remember how you looked for the owner at Domodedovo? This is the norm. Capital is protected from risks. I have already written about the lockout at the Pastukhov plant in 1916. The plant was producing ammunition! The owner closed the plant and went abroad! This is normal in the socio-economic formation, which takes place in our comfortable Fatherland. Fighting, however, is somewhat inconvenient - there is the experience of 1917. But we are all for democracy ...
            3. +1
              3 August 2016 16: 17
              Quote: bovig
              Stalin simply solved such problems: did not fulfill on time - explain yourself to the tribunal! Directly guilty and top management - on the hit list ...

              What are you saying? And how - someone was shot in the case of disrupting the release in 1944 of 14,5 mm Vladimirov machine guns and anti-aircraft machine guns based on it? But Lavrenty Pavlovich personally oversaw this order.
              Deputy People's Commissar of Armament comrade By a letter dated 18.4.44, Ryabikov reported to Comrade Beria (copy - GAU) that a series of 14,5 Vladimirov machine guns with installations would be manufactured by factory number 2 by 1.7.44, about which the plant was given appropriate instructions.
              At present, Plant No. 2 did not start manufacturing a series of machine guns, having lost 15 days in time, and the chief engineer of Plant No. 2 informed me by letter of 3.5. 44 g. No. 166/7 stating that a series of machine guns would not be manufactured by 1.7.44g. and that it will be made only by 1.8.44g.

              The senior military representative of the GAU KA at the factory number 2 reported that the factory number 2 to the manufacture of a series of 14,5 mm machine guns Vladimirova did not start, having lost 20 days from the time of your order to manufacture a series of machine guns by July 1944, XNUMX, considering this work secondary.
              In addition, contrary to your report, comrade Beria, on the manufacture of a series of Vladimirov machine guns by July 1944, 2. (the deadline was agreed by you with the artillery marshal T. Yakovlev) the chief engineer of factory No. 2 informs me that the series cannot be made by factory No. 1 by June 1944, 1 and that it can only be expected by August 1944, XNUMX.
              This attitude of the plant number 2 to your instructions on the manufacture of the series, of course, raises doubts about the delivery of the factory number 2 series at the time you define.

              By the decision of Comrade Beria dated April 14, 1944 according to the report of your deputy comrade Ryabikov on the timing of the manufacture of a series of 14,5 machine guns designed by Vladimirov, plant No. 2 was instructed to produce:
              By June 15, 1944 - 20 pcs. machine guns.
              By June 1, 1944 - 30 pcs. machine guns on anti-aircraft single installations

              From the repeated reports arriving to me, it follows that Plant No. 2 did not launch the manufacture of a series of Vladimirov machine guns at a pace that ensured the fulfillment of Comrade instructions. Beria on the timing of the delivery of the series to the Main Artillery Directorate.
              The relatively short deadlines for the manufacture of a series of 14,5 Vladimirov machine guns, approved by Comrade Beria, are dictated by the relevance of the issue.
              I will forgive your instructions to the Director of Plant No. 2 on taking effective measures to ensure the delivery of a series of Vladimirov machine guns on time.
              Please inform me about your decisions.
          2. +17
            3 August 2016 09: 37
            Quote: Region 34
            And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses? So the war is on, shops and roads are destroyed, people are killed and mobilized!

            they say, they say, the sanctions are to blame, and of course the war.
            Quote: Region 34
            I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going. For business or personal wallet?

            For example: On Monday, the son of the “defense” deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, Alexei Rogozin, 28, became the executive director of the Aleksinsky Chemical Plant Federal Treasury, located in the Tula Region. Until recently, the plant was engaged in the production of powder mixtures, and also - as a by-product - ethyl alcohol, furniture, bathrobes, blankets, sleeves for refueling aircraft in the air and paintwork.

            Now, as Rogozin Jr. told Izvestia, the enterprise will focus on the production of pyroxylin powders and rubber products.
            Aleksei Dmitrievich Rogozin (born September 21, 1983, Moscow) is a Russian official, politician and public figure, entrepreneur, specialist in the field of information policy, security and weapons [1]. Deputy Director of the Property Relations Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation since April 2016. The son of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Rogozin Dmitry Olegovich.

            Member of the Expert Council of the State Duma Committee on Security. Until March 2012 - Development Director, Deputy General Director of the group of arms companies “Promtekhnologii” [2]From May 2012 to March 2016 - General Director of the Aleksinsky Chemical Plant Federal State Treasury Enterprise [3] (Tula Region).
            Talented children are in power, however.
            And how are things at the Aleksinsky powder factory, google, do not be lazy.
            This is how we live, son, brother, matchmaker, godfather, wife - all in key positions - the smartest "professional" people.
            I would like to send this nepotism to hell with such a state.
            1. +1
              3 August 2016 13: 38
              If Alexei Rogozin was born in 1983, then he is not 28 years old. Well, the rest ...
            2. +3
              3 August 2016 16: 07
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Quote: Region 34
              And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses? So the war is on, shops and roads are destroyed, people are killed and mobilized!

              they say, they say, the sanctions are to blame, and of course the war.
              Quote: Region 34
              I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going. For business or personal wallet?

              For example: On Monday, the son of the “defense” deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, Alexei Rogozin, 28, became the executive director of the Aleksinsky Chemical Plant Federal Treasury, located in the Tula Region. Until recently, the plant was engaged in the production of powder mixtures, and also - as a by-product - ethyl alcohol, furniture, bathrobes, blankets, sleeves for refueling aircraft in the air and paintwork.

              Now, as Rogozin Jr. told Izvestia, the enterprise will focus on the production of pyroxylin powders and rubber products.
              Aleksei Dmitrievich Rogozin (born September 21, 1983, Moscow) is a Russian official, politician and public figure, entrepreneur, specialist in the field of information policy, security and weapons [1]. Deputy Director of the Property Relations Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation since April 2016. The son of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Rogozin Dmitry Olegovich.

              Member of the Expert Council of the State Duma Committee on Security. Until March 2012 - Development Director, Deputy General Director of the group of arms companies “Promtekhnologii” [2]From May 2012 to March 2016 - General Director of the Aleksinsky Chemical Plant Federal State Treasury Enterprise [3] (Tula Region).
              Talented children are in power, however.
              And how are things at the Aleksinsky powder factory, google, do not be lazy.
              This is how we live, son, brother, matchmaker, godfather, wife - all in key positions - the smartest "professional" people.
              I would like to send this nepotism to hell with such a state.

              This is the manner of the "God-chosen"
              To drag your own, and not to let the goyim ...
              And Russians in general are the last
          3. +5
            3 August 2016 11: 29
            Quote: Region 34
            Moore! 07.08/XNUMX. And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses? So the war is on, shops and roads are destroyed, people are killed and mobilized! I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going.

            It goes very simply. If this is a private enterprise without the participation of the state, then by the method of selecting the most "effective" manager, who is focused on making a profit.
            Need to explain that profit is not necessarily obtained from the fulfillment of contractual obligations?
            And the "state" are not far from them.
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          5. +4
            3 August 2016 16: 25
            Quote: Region 34
            Moore! 07.08/XNUMX. And if tomorrow is war? How will they make excuses?



            And - nothing ... The capitals are at THEM ... The stolen capitals, by the way ... Sawed from the state budget ... And not at home ...

            I am not at all interested in the landings, and even more so - the executions of such "non-state" figures ...

            Confiscation ... First of all, confiscation ...

            How much money the Russian budget would have ... Fairy tale ... Fiction ...

            How many useful things could be done ... FOR ALL would be enough ...
          6. +3
            3 August 2016 17: 45
            Quote: 34 region
            I wonder how the selection of leadership in the defense industry is going. For business or personal wallet? Many tryndely about an effective market economy but stubbornly stuck to government orders.

            nepotism! One came - he planted his thieves around the office, half of his salary goes to them (and they are rather big, amounts of hundreds of thousands of rubles, plus quarterly bonuses of millions). And this is for drones who are only at work at work. They sit exactly. For training - 22000r. We are silent at the New Year's corporate party for management and those who have attached themselves ..
            No responsibility, corny. In power are temporary workers. Such executives prefer not to fulfill orders, but to be honestly stolen by lawyers and friends from the top. And what the hell with them then get it.
            Alexey, a good, topical article. Only from our opinion nothing will change. They are already used to open steal. Everyone already knows about everything.
        2. +7
          3 August 2016 07: 58
          Quote: Moore
          This "should" cannot exist in our vegetarian times

          Vegetarian?
          It is doubtful for someone like ...
          And for "effective managers", if not for treason, then criminal negligence can be done at a run, here is a question of political will. And it will have to be strained if we want to preserve a sovereign state.
        3. +4
          3 August 2016 12: 21
          The enterprises of the state defense order must be mobilized for military service (transferred to martial law): didn’t you want the good? - it will be bad for you! The war is on! But without the transfer to the military-barracks position of the ministers of the economic, cultural and educational bloc, the defense industry is doomed to trample ... A moral example from above is the secret of success.
        4. +3
          3 August 2016 13: 44
          To hell with us such a state, directly the ballerina is helpless, enforcement is the first duty of the state. We hang noodles on our ears and row loot.
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      3. +2
        3 August 2016 07: 23
        Quote: Hunter
        I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!

        Yes, no money, the program was adopted 3 years ago. when everyone was sure that oil prices were not unstable and would only increase.
        Be realistic. If the country has a crisis and high-tech equipment under sanctions. how to do it?
        Cheating in what? Is there nothing to pay?
        1. +7
          3 August 2016 08: 03
          Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning, but there is no money for social services, salaries, economic development, while this government sits nothing will change! Read the report of Glazyev, only the report itself, and not what our liberals write about it, read the work of Kasatonov, The Economy of Stalin - you will learn a lot of interesting things.
          1. +12
            3 August 2016 08: 33
            Quote: gascon
            Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning, but there is no money for social services, salaries, economic development, while this government sits nothing will change! Read the report of Glazyev, only the report itself, and not what our liberals write about it, read the work of Kasatonov, The Economy of Stalin - you will learn a lot of interesting things.


            Yes, we know, only Medvedev says that you can’t invest in industry, because there will be hyperinflation, it’s possible in the whole world, but we can’t ...
            1. -1
              3 August 2016 08: 38
              Quote: Paul1
              Yes, we know, only Medvedev says that you can’t invest in industry, because there will be hyperinflation, it’s possible in the whole world, but we can’t ...

              - a reference to the place where "Medvedev says it", share?
              - you won't be able to. Because there was no such thing. And it was that Glazyev, who offers to "saturate the Motherland with money" (under the obligations of any dumb LLCs, while "feeding" these obligations to the Central Bank) was given a turn from the gate

              Quote: V. Vysotsky, "In the Leningrad-city"
              ... and, therefore, it’s right that they gave ...

              Pavel1lie must notOf course, you can ... but you need to do this talentedly, not clumsily laughing

              Oh! Pavel bravely hid behind an emergency... well, his will, his stink is not very interesting to me, now let it stink to others Yes

              And you can get to your opponent even when he is in an emergency. Pavel is simply not yet known. fellow
              1. avt
                +5
                3 August 2016 09: 12
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                that Glazyev, who offers to "saturate the Motherland with money"

                In general, one should be more careful about this particular "radish" - the former Gaidar minister, who suddenly "blushed" sharply, became a super economic academician and Zyuganov's favorite.
                1. +3
                  3 August 2016 14: 31
                  Everything is decided by PR. Glazyev and Kasatonov are now actively promoting and the average man who doesn’t understand shit himself, nods. Like they don’t understand anything, but people are clearly smart. And the fact that if you accept what Glazyev offers, then the grub will go up in price for this common man in the store - the common man does not understand. It’s like Gorbachev and Gaidar were pouring words that were incomprehensible to the average man, and he was thrilled by what smart people were talking to him. So is Glazyev. Few people understand. what he offers, but forelocks are tearing everything for him. And then they will be surprised - why in the store prices have risen. hi
                  1. -2
                    3 August 2016 17: 40
                    Quote: g1v2
                    Everything is decided by PR. Glazyev and Kasatonov are now actively promoting and the average man who doesn’t understand shit himself, nods. Like they don’t understand anything, but people are clearly smart. And the fact that if you accept what Glazyev offers, then the grub will go up in price for this common man in the store - the common man does not understand. It’s like Gorbachev and Gaidar were pouring words that were incomprehensible to the average man, and he was thrilled by what smart people were talking to him. So is Glazyev. Few people understand. what he offers, but forelocks are tearing everything for him. And then they will be surprised - why in the store prices have risen. hi

                    Where are such conclusions from? what do they follow from ?? and where are such manuals issued ???
          2. +4
            3 August 2016 09: 46
            Quote: atalef
            but no money, the program was adopted 3 years ago. when everyone was sure that oil prices were not unstable and would only increase.
            Be realistic.

            Quote: gascon
            Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning, but there is no money for social services, salaries, economic development, while this government sits nothing will change! Read the report of Glazyev, only the report itself, and not what our liberals write about it, read the work of Kasatonov, The Economy of Stalin - you will learn a lot of interesting things.

            With your wonderful answer, you got ahead of me and wiped away, however, the nose of this arrogant, atalef!
            + 100500-You, and atalef nervously smokes laughing
          3. +2
            3 August 2016 11: 28
            Quote: gascon
            Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning, but there is no money for social services, salaries, economic development, while this government sits nothing will change! Read the report of Glazyev, only the report itself, and not what our liberals write about it, read the work of Kasatonov, The Economy of Stalin - you will learn a lot of interesting things.

            First Deputy Finance Minister of Russia Tatyana Nesterenko disagrees with you, Gascony. She spoke at the Territory of Meanings forum last week with an almost stormy warning about the prospects for the Russian economy. According to her, without reforms, the country will have "serious economic problems" caused by the devastation of reserves, in particular, the state will not have money for salaries. Such a situation may arise by the end of 2017, Nesterenko suggested.
            1. +1
              3 August 2016 16: 15
              Quote: wardapet
              Quote: gascon
              Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning, but there is no money for social services, salaries, economic development, while this government sits nothing will change! Read the report of Glazyev, only the report itself, and not what our liberals write about it, read the work of Kasatonov, The Economy of Stalin - you will learn a lot of interesting things.

              First Deputy Finance Minister of Russia Tatyana Nesterenko disagrees with you, Gascony. She spoke at the Territory of Meanings forum last week with an almost stormy warning about the prospects for the Russian economy. According to her, without reforms, the country will have "serious economic problems" caused by the devastation of reserves, in particular, the state will not have money for salaries. Such a situation may arise by the end of 2017, Nesterenko suggested.

              The country may not survive another reform ...
              1. +1
                3 August 2016 16: 30
                It’s not me who advocates reform, but your deputy finance minister, I’m a small person and they simply inform the members of the forum about this.
                1. MMX
                  0
                  3 August 2016 21: 25
                  Quote: wardapet
                  It’s not me who advocates reform, but your deputy finance minister, I’m a small person and they simply inform the members of the forum about this.


                  An amazing concern for the Russian economy. Here is a big human thank you for taking such close attention to aspects in our economy ...
                  But for the sake of completeness, it would be worth bringing a source from where you got this opus and quote it completely, and not take it out of context. Well, at the same time and log out from this site. So it will be the most correct.
        2. avt
          +10
          3 August 2016 08: 47
          Quote: atalef
          Yes, no money

          Money, and in convertible currency, is full, like a fool shag
          Quote: gascon
          Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in the banks is spinning,

          in the form of deposits and gambling.
          Quote: gascon
          but on social programs, salaries, economic development - they are not there, while this government sits nothing will change!

          Naturally! It is necessary to convert the currency into rubles to the social network and generally within the country, and therefore the deposit they play. Well, try to offer the gamer for a machine to go to the family to buy bread ....
          Quote: atalef
          Be realistic.

          That's it and tie with
          Quote: atalef
          that oil prices

          and other crap like
          Quote: atalef
          and high-tech equipment under sanctions

          It’s quite possible to pull out for extra payment, and the Taiwanese and mainland China will sell quite decent, well, if you follow the quality of supplies.
          Quote: atalef
          If the country is in crisis

          The crisis is in the heads of the top managers, whom the hell will change for managers. The latter, since the days of Stalin's Commissars, have been working, and do not set up to pay bonuses like the same state corporation Rusnano, similar in name to LLC Rusnano, and pouring budget money there, followed by drunkenness on the gangway, happily telling us heaps of money.
          1. -2
            3 August 2016 12: 44
            Quote: avt
            Money, and in convertible currency, is full ...

            Quote: gascon
            Stupidity is complete, the country is full of money, only all the money in banks

            spinning, in the form of deposits and gambling

            Quote: gascon
            but on social programs, salaries, economic development - they are not there, while this government sits nothing will change

            It is necessary to convert the currency into rubles to the social network and generally within the country, and therefore they deposit the deposit they play ...

            So... what

            - a deposit is someone’s money or other valuables (whether it’s an enterprise, whether it’s not a private entity), placed in a bank in order to receive dividends (interest) on it
            - the bank is not free to "cash out" the deposit on its own. These are not his values, but even a third party
            - the bank is obliged to somehow "twist" this money (values), in order at least to pay interest to the depositor. And that's ok

            You can also "twist" in different ways:

            - you can, as you described, "go and play on the stock exchange." But this is a risky business: you can both win and lose
            - in addition, when buying and selling a bank currency changes the so-called open foreign exchange position of the bank, the size of which is closely monitored by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation:


            - and you can "make" loans from this deposit, and distribute these loans to Vasya Pupkins for the purchase of plasma, so necessary for them (now!), mafinki ... continue the list yourself
            - and it is possible to give a credit to an enterprise which thread, after checking the reliability of it ...

            Thus, money, even "lying in banks on deposits", still "works" Yes

            Quote: avt
            ... Taiwanese with mainland China will sell pretty decent ...

            - Taiwanese Chinese need problems with the same States? No. That is why China supported the sanctions request

            Quote: avt
            Crisis in the minds of top managers

            - Yes, no ... the crisis is objective, and it is not only in the Russian Federation

            About Rusnano - this is also Saltykov-Shchedrin said: "... they steal ...". However, they are doing something, go to the Rusnano website, take an interest, informative wink

            Voooot ...
            1. avt
              +3
              3 August 2016 13: 51
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - Taiwanese Chinese need problems with the same States? No. That is why China supported the sanctions

              No. Everything is more interesting there. They are ready, BUT the people are practical and do not exchange small things, such as ordering immediately and a lot - to the factory, and do not even go for the little things for equipment - we say we will do everything for you. What they actually did with Taiwanese-made Iotophone of Taiwanese manufacture. They will work, but if they see a real, stable partner.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - Yes, no ... the crisis is objective, and it is not only in the Russian Federation

              Let’s clarify, the crisis is financially speculative and has the same relation to the real economy as setting oil prices by futures trading to real production - oil production and its consumption. That is, in fact, the crisis is just in the head! More precisely, those who are in pursuit of stock speculation, then they lost their heads.
              1. -2
                3 August 2016 14: 06
                Quote: avt
                Everything is more interesting there. They are ready, BUT the people are practical and do not exchange small things, such as ordering immediately and a lot - to the factory, and do not even go for the little things for equipment - we say we will do everything for you. What they actually did with the Taiwanese-made Iotophone of Taiwanese manufacture. They will work, but if they see a real, stable partner

                - I suspected something like that for some reason laughing

                Quote: avt
                Let’s clarify, the crisis is financially speculative and has the same relation to the real economy as setting oil prices by futures trading to real production - oil production and its consumption

                - Is it (the crisis) something very different from the same in 2009?
                - speeches that "the crisis in the Russian Federation provoked (personally) the Central Bank of the Russian Federation" me personally ... um ... wildly amused request
                1. avt
                  +2
                  3 August 2016 14: 12
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - speeches that "the crisis in the Russian Federation provoked (personally) the Central Bank of the Russian Federation" me personally ... um ... wildly amused

                  Well, yes, especially that there is a reality given to the sensation - in Russia there is not even an analogue of the US exchange, there is a type of dealership for accepting bets, proudly calling itself an exchange. And the ruble since the time of Pavlov's dog and his "reforms" has been tightly welded to the backbone Fed.
                  1. -2
                    3 August 2016 14: 42
                    Quote: avt
                    in Russia there is not even an analogue of the US exchange. There is a type of dealer office for receiving bets, proudly calling itself the exchange

                    - "What's the difference?" (c) Brother, who is Bagrov

                    Quote: avt
                    ... the ruble since the time of Pavlov's dog and his "reform" has been tightly welded to the backbone FRS

                    - uh ... just don’t need about the Fed - this is my sore spot laughing
                    - Shut up already to explain that not everything is so ... and in general - that everything is not so ... what
            2. -1
              3 August 2016 16: 20
              Quote: Cat Man Null


              About Rusnano - this is also Saltykov-Shchedrin said: "... they steal ...". However, they are doing something, go to the Rusnano website, take an interest, informative wink

              Voooot ...



              Did he tell you personally? Saltykov with a generous ...
              1. +1
                3 August 2016 16: 31
                Quote: Donhapa
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                About Rusnano - this is also Saltykov-Shchedrin said: "... they steal ...". However, they are doing something, go to the Rusnano website, take an interest, informative wink

                Voooot ...

                Did he tell you personally? Saltykov with a generous ...

                - attributed to him, at least
                - not to be rude - I will bite Yes
        3. +3
          3 August 2016 09: 43
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Hunter
          I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!

          Yes, no money, the program was adopted 3 years ago. when everyone was sure that oil prices were not unstable and would only increase.
          Be realistic. If the country has a crisis and high-tech equipment under sanctions. how to do it?
          Cheating in what? Is there nothing to pay?

          In Russian folklore there is a saying: If you took a tug - do not say that it is not hefty! When they take money on order, then they must calculate the risks, they must and in a timely manner "buzz" if force majeure circumstances arise (force majeure circumstances, or circumstances beyond control), must take appropriate measures in a timely manner ... And then, as it is now accepted - I have a "blank" (excuse) and I will silently "cut" to the last, and then I will justify myself and make the state the culprit ... But still they will not do anything to me!
      4. +3
        3 August 2016 13: 26
        Quote: Hunter
        must be equated to high treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!

        Who should leak out the consequences? Let me also quote the author:
        both for the enterprise itself and for its labor collective, which is made a hostage, to put it mildly, not always clear-cut actions on the part of the enterprise management.
        So neatly almost EVERYONE was remembered here, and the labor collective and the enterprise itself and its management. The problem is that each legal entity has an HOST who, as they say, will do so. And according to the Civil Code in force in our God-saving democratic Fatherland, this HOST is an irresponsible person. Responsible in the amount of contribution to the authorized capital. Each enterprise has a single governing body (director, maybe even General) and a collective governing body (Board), the rights and obligations of which are written in Russian in white, sometimes also in English. But by default, these controls will only do what the HOST permits. The owner is not necessarily such a major bourgeois. They can be a whole register of shareholders. But the OWN decision maker is always there. If there are even two of them, the enterprise may reach one, or maybe not. This is the main problem. What is the use of nipping the director, if he is not always allowed to buy cuttings for shovels without asking for permission. It is necessary to nip the owner. And this is illegal, the world bourgeoisie will condemn, will not accept in its code ... Who should take over the boss who is really to blame for everything that happens at the enterprise? And how will the consequences flow from it?
      5. +1
        3 August 2016 14: 23
        Did you do anything in life with your hands? From the fact that I will promise you the execution, you will build me a house in an hour? There are questions of money, loans, the availability of labor and specialists, supplies from subcontractors, etc. PLUS EVERYTHING NECESSARY HAS TO BE DELIVERED TO THE FAR EAST from the European part of the Russian Federation, and these are not the distances than in any Germany, which, together with France, is smaller than Yakutia. Previously, the problem was that Assz was all in loans and repaid them at the expense of money allocated for Goz. If you do not pay on loans, then bankruptcy proceedings will begin and nothing will be built. and the delay will be even greater. This is any production for the average person - click with your fingers, but in reality it is logistics, finance, the search for labor, resources, machinery, and much more. Th here with these slogans about treason and so on. the layman only signs his idiocy and not having an idea of ​​production. hi
      6. 0
        3 August 2016 16: 04
        Quote: Hunter
        Guilty of disrupting the state defense order should be equated with high treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!

        And for this, the shooting and confiscation of property
      7. -1
        4 August 2016 05: 36
        Whoever wants to do, finds the means, who does not want the reason ... Landing for the long term these unfortunate managers, the rest will scratch their turnips ..
        Quote: Hunter
        I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!
      8. +1
        4 August 2016 10: 41
        Quote: Hunter
        I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!


        And at the initial stage, the nationalization of inefficient, private (thieves seized) defense industry enterprises with a competitive recruitment of new managers.
    2. +7
      3 August 2016 07: 22
      in managers means a problem? But in our country since the beginning of the century, for example, there are institutions such as the St. Petersburg Higher School of Management, which every year stamps a hundred effective managers and where are these managers, and why did they suddenly become so ineffective? And what do they do there, for that matter?
      In such "educational" institutions they do not teach how to be useful to society and the state, they do not teach the principles of serving the people, but they teach how in reality it does not happen, far-fetched financial management schemes, because they will never be allowed to manage real finances, there are always other people, virtual production relations by imaginary productive forces. In short, HUNDREDS of these young people, every year leave the walls of such "educational" institutions absolutely without any real production skills. The Ministry of Education only pretends that someone needs them, but in fact, production is still managed by the old Soviet guard of managers who This is understood in the manufacturing process. They pass on their experience to the young managers who are nearby, of course, but all this does not work effectively, therefore there are failures, therefore inconsistencies, and therefore disruptions to the defense order. This entire vertical of personnel training is NOT EFFECTIVE, this very capitalism does not take root on our soil, but the top people prefer not to talk about it. But if the problem is hushed up, the problem remains.
    3. +11
      3 August 2016 08: 42
      Impunity breeds irresponsibility.
      1. +6
        3 August 2016 10: 54
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Impunity breeds irresponsibility.

        And irremovability gives rise to insanity ... so we can agree to the point that we are accused of "extremism" and "rocking the boat." wassat
        1. 0
          3 August 2016 12: 04
          Quote: Bongo
          And irremovability breeds insanity ... so we can agree to the point that we are accused of "extremism" and "rocking the boat


          prefer not to tell the truth?
          1. +3
            3 August 2016 12: 09
            Quote: Paul1
            prefer not to tell the truth?

            And you are not capable in this comment:
            Quote: Bongo
            And irremovability gives rise to insanity ... so we can agree to the point that we are accused of "extremism" and "rocking the boat."
            distinguish where the truth is, and where is sarcasm? request
      2. +1
        3 August 2016 16: 23
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Impunity breeds irresponsibility.

        Right!
        Who is to blame for them, that they killed industry for a long time and dispersed specialists?
    4. +4
      3 August 2016 10: 07
      Quote: parusnik
      But in general, the main reason for the disruption, I think, is associated with the responsibility of "effective" managers.

      Quote: parusnik
      And such a disaster is not only in the defense industry ...

      And such a problem is the dominance of the occupation power. While the Zion wanderers will seat their "effective managers" and cover them from responsibility for the CRIMES they have committed, the common man can endlessly pound his tongue on the teeth.
    5. +2
      3 August 2016 16: 02
      Quote: parusnik
      And such a disaster is not only in the defense industry ...

      Officials snickering ...
  2. +12
    3 August 2016 06: 37
    << When from educational institutions of primary and secondary vocational education there were elementary requests to the management of enterprises engaged in the state defense order system for students to have the opportunity to practice, a considerable percentage of "effective managers" of a number of enterprises (and these are not empty words, and the reality of almost the entire post-Soviet period) just waved his hands. There is only one argument: we have enough of our own problems, and here we will also teach "your" work. It is hard to imagine something like that even 30-35 years ago. >> 30-35 years ago, enterprises also, especially in summer, suffocated from the lack of not only qualified labor, but also ordinary workers. The destruction of the vocational education system and higher technical school led to this Where young recruits are trained, there is no problem of workers. These are not general words, but the experience of one of the companies that opened one college and supports another. And no matter how hard it is in these times, the company has not abandoned the training.
    1. +10
      3 August 2016 10: 18
      Having visited in May this one of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex (was on the issue of employment), which produces what goes to parades on Red Square, I will say that there is no mass production of products! There is production "on the knee", i.e. each piece of equipment is, in fact, a piece, but in fact, under such conditions, "golden".
      Previously, a single plant was fragmented into small joint-stock companies and LLC within separate workshops, where the directors of these firms are former low-frequency companies. workshops or their children, aunts, uncles, etc.
      A large number of plant areas are leased to "enterprising" entrepreneurs who produce dowels and other crap of their recyclable materials, and this is at the flagship of the city's military-industrial complex.
      Of the specialists and designers at the plant there are Soviet "old men" who are called upon to establish an unmanageable fragmentation of the enterprise and, at the same time, to produce products that are so necessary for the management of all ranks for reporting and parades.
      And the most important paradox is that last year the state defense order was executed by 56%, and the profit for the enterprise exceeded 150%.
      And lastly, I could only offer the position of a site foreman with a salary of 18 tyrov and a small bonus to a person who graduated from a specialized university in defense and has worked for the defense industry for 18 years from master to deputy head of the design department, which would result in 21 tyrs to receive! belay
      All other positions at the plant are occupied by defchonki in short skirts, guys after economic and legal. Universities in business suits, running with daddies under their armpits through the territory, producing IDBs (imitations of violent activity).
      Such a gloomy "mobilization" economy appeared to my eyes within the framework of one of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, which was previously the largest Red Banner in the region, an order-bearing one with round-the-clock operation, which in the old days produced a huge number of firing and "bullet" systems for the needs of the army, aviation and fleet. sad
  3. +9
    3 August 2016 07: 01
    the problem is not only the timely execution of orders, but also the quality and speed of work.

    Poor Ivan Gren was returned to Yantar again. Laid it on 23 December 2004, and planned to take on 2008. Repeated changes in the project resulted in long-term construction. 25 June 2016 began factory testing and now because of the problems with demagnetization coming work on fine-tuning. Although the former commander-in-chief of the Navy, V. Chirkov, stated that 2050 the landing fleet will be completely renewed. In this vein, it is not a long-term construction. I hope the second ship laid down on June 11, 2015, Pyotr Morgunov, will not suffer the same fate and will be put into service according to plans in 2.


    Delay and with a subdivision. According to HPV-2020, it was planned to get 15 4 generation boats. 8 Boreev and 7 Ash. At the moment in the fleet 3 and 1 boats, respectively.

    “The first group, Borey, will actually be completed by the end of 2021 of the year, and the APG on Ysenu shifts to the right right up to 2023 of the year,” a source at the Military Industrial Commission told Gazeta.Ru and a source in the defense industry confirmed.


    The main reasons for the delay are the lack of infrastructure for such a number of boats, a large amount of testing, and the workload of the manufacturer.

    At the moment, four more strategic nuclear-powered ships Borey are being built at the Sevmash shipyards. The fourth cruiser - "Prince Vladimir" - the first submarine of the modernized project 955А "Borey-A", laid down on July 30 2012 of the year. According to media reports, the launch of this submarine is scheduled for December 2016. The fifth Borey, Prince Oleg, laid the foundation for July 27, 2014, on Navy Day. The “Generalissimo Suvorov” is the sixth nuclear submarine of the project, laid on 26 December 2014 of the year. Seventh - "Emperor Alexander III" - laid December 18 2015 of the year. The eighth submarine 955А, according to RIA “Novosti”, is supposed to receive the name “Prince Pozharsky”, but it has not yet been approved.



    As for Ash, the next boat to replenish the fleet should be Kazan. But the timing data vary greatly. According to the plans it should happen in 2016 year. The head of USC talks about the transfer to the fleet in 2017, and someone is talking about the end of 2018. Today in construction:

    The “improved” Yasen-M (included in the seven HPV-2020 planned) are also being built at Sevmash: the Novosibirsk submarine (laid down on 26 on July 2013 of the year), Krasnoyarsk (laid on 27 on July of 2014 of the year) and Arkhangelsk "(Laid 19 March 2015 of the year).
  4. +7
    3 August 2016 07: 20
    Dig deeper. Hidden enemies in the Kremlin. All the "good" is from there. They have been pedaling the pension reform there for more than a dozen years now, and they have stifled any initiative of citizens with taxes.
    1. +8
      3 August 2016 07: 48
      Victor fm! 07.20. No citizen initiative will lead to anything. Leave these tales for fools. There should be a country development strategy. And what does the country want? Does the dog know him? So what to do? Yes, do what you want, only grandmas do not forget to pay!
    2. +10
      3 August 2016 08: 13
      What is the difference between an "uncle from Washington" and "an uncle from the Kremlin"? Both manipulate the people. Some are promising freedom and "democracy", others are encouraging us to "patriotism". Most of us will certainly stand up for our freedom and independence, only if we are allowed to do this. And then they can do it like in the 90s. There was a country and it is not. Divided up by a handful of people who now call themselves the elite. It is time for them to turn to face people and stop "smart chatter" about reforms. Of course, we can't see everything from below, and we don't know what. But not happy yet
  5. +9
    3 August 2016 07: 51
    The author again suggests to HOPE that this year the state defense order will be fulfilled ....
    And I was already sick and tired of listening to our guides about the fact that something again prevented him from doing it. The question is, why were you appointed there? Isn't it in order to solve these problems? There is also Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is responsible for the state defense order, who "bleeds from the nose" is obliged to eliminate all these problems in the bud. Doesn't he want or can't? You will figure it out there already. In 16 years, the economy could have been raised from scratch, but it WILL be!
    1. +7
      3 August 2016 08: 00
      Quote: piston
      For 16 years, the economy could have been raised from scratch, but this with the DESIRE!


      It was during this period that the invincible Soviet Union was created, with its industrialization, but only completely different people stood at the very top.
      1. -2
        3 August 2016 08: 14
        there was a tough demand for every deed and punishment - a wall.
        1. +4
          3 August 2016 08: 39
          Quote: desyatka
          there was a tough demand for every deed and punishment - a wall.


          but not for everyone, do not repeat the stupid liberoids, whether the courts were bad or good, but they worked, and for example, with the arrival of Beria, many of those who were sent to prison in 37g were simply released ...
  6. +5
    3 August 2016 09: 02
    The trouble is, as always, the same. As Professor Preobrazhensky said, there is chaos in the heads, not in toilets. As long as the manager's standard of efficiency is complete ignorance of the fundamentals of production processes and a dull insistence on "saving" money, there will be no sense from such leadership.
    Once again, our cart is ahead of the horse - people with appropriate abilities and education should manage the country and production, they used to be called business executives and production workers, but those same law enforcement officers and economists with lawyers, this is the second echelon, designed to ensure the work of the first within the framework of law and financial disciplines. And no other way, well now look who is at the helm ??? That’s the answer to all the questions - how lawyers and economists with cops can manage production on a national and plant scale - no way! They do what they can, but that’s not what they need.
  7. 0
    3 August 2016 09: 17
    Quote: Hunter
    I agree, but the defense industry is still a separate issue. I repeat, the guilt in disrupting the state defense order should be equated with treason, with all the ensuing consequences !!!


    coolies ... the dates of the TENDERS, work on SPECIAL ACCOUNTS ... will successfully complete any undertaking ... and frustrate any dates. LEGISLATIVE
  8. +1
    3 August 2016 09: 25
    But we have been sitting for a year without funding, barely making ends meet. Probably, we also fall into the category of "disruption of order defense"
  9. +6
    3 August 2016 09: 32
    Ha-ha-gee ... I read two paragraphs, said to myself "there is no one to do", began to read further and aha, no one.
    In our office on Sakhalin, all excavators and bulldozers are not younger than 50. There is one vocational school (college, um) producing machine operators in Novo-Aleksandrovsk (somehow the police (then) covered in this vocational school, something like a gangster school, for the younger generation). And who is going to this vocational school? - you yourself understand, who does not have money to pay for an institution, behavior that corresponds to financial capabilities.
    Can I find a good electric welder? You will find that you are kissing the weld in different places so that you don’t leave .... But the turner - in general ...

    So I'm talking about heavy tracked vehicles, 20 tons each. And CNC machines, or precision, where can I get people on them?
    1. +6
      3 August 2016 11: 35
      Where to get the machines themselves? Machine tool industry is ditched, at the very root. There is no production of means of production. The fundamental principle is broken. Hence the personnel policy and the inhibition of the state defense order. Ask any techie, the basis of everything is a bearing. We weren’t very much before, but now? So we take a one-time (a year and a half) Chinese. And before, they received a Quality Diamond Star for equipment that has worked for 25 years and has not lost accuracy parameters (this is me about my native machine-tool plant). The trouble was stopping production in the nineties and the arrival of technically illiterate managers, the absence of economists as a class.
      What can I say. Everything will not fit into a multi-volume work. And these lines - so, tears for the lost ...
      1. +7
        3 August 2016 13: 29
        Bearings ... Here the question is different. When we exchanged T-170s and T-130s for "Catarpillers", a mound of bulldozer drivers climbed out of the cab, so you can say that they were crying. So is the excavator. Here, on the one hand, there is a factory defect on one ChTZ onboard bulldozer after a month of work in the trash (for example) - on the other, there is a joystick of control, semi-conditioning of the cabin, an anatomical seat with heating (for example).
        Our ChTZ feces work-break-work, the Japanese assembly "Katharpiller" worked in a snow dump in THREE shifts, practically not drowning out for 2 months, and at least something would break.

        Here you have the bearings. Let the bearings at least on your platinum-iridium-star machines do. If you have nowhere to put them ... except on our buckets with a motor.

        Let me add, um ... Here is a Hitachi excavator, bucket 0,75. Assembling one in Japan, the other in China (PRC). Why one works like a clock, while the other breaks down constantly. And the model is one. Guess which one breaks .............

        I'll add more. I could not stand it, I remembered fighting everyday life, it became painful. Our pipelines made oil and gas on Sakhalin. Trusts worked from the mainland. So they almost all the equipment, with the exception of 40-ton pipe layers at the end, sold cheaply to local, and just threw it away. I talked with the people, they say that it’s cheaper to buy or lease a new one after work than to transport a thread to Africa from Sakhalin to pipes. And so the whole world works, with the exception of us. I bought myself a four-thread and shaking as if it hadn't broken. No loans, no sensible leasing. Turnover of fixed assets NO !!!!!
        1. +4
          3 August 2016 14: 14
          High precision bearings are made for machine tools. Then the machine or buckets with nuts will be released or caterpillars. There are no miracles here. If the spindle hits a hundredth, you won’t stretch a micron in life.
          1. +5
            3 August 2016 15: 25
            In general, I think we have understood each other.

            I just can't understand one thing, how "stupid Americans" on "Newport News" atomic monsters rivet, and the seventh dozen "Burks" are built ... Nothing, do not drown at stupid. Who builds them ?????
            And we are smart ... with unfinished corvettes ...
            1. +3
              3 August 2016 16: 54
              If you understand, thanks.
              You, behold, a sane person. Until then, wait for sanity from those who, according to their position, are obliged to do this. The broken production cycle of everything and everything is not easy to restore oh.
              I have long had the thought that a breakthrough in the post-war years was largely ensured on exported equipment. We still prayed in the 90s for a couple of machines of 37-39 years. Already in 2000, nemchura offered the latest in this type. Ten lyam Baku. We were told that they would never pay off. Now, if they sell, other money. And the plant is no longer there, as is the Egorievsky twin.
  10. +1
    3 August 2016 11: 35
    There is a famous phrase - cadres decide everything .... only: 1. where to get these qualified cards (in the country the problem with "working professions" is now all lawyers, managers and other office padding); 2. the leaders sleep and see, while fulfilling the state order, fill their "liver", and the country will wait; 3. supervisory authorities are poorly performing their duties; 4. to plant an exemplary thief and thieves for disrupting the state defense order. And then there will be much fewer problems in the country.
  11. +1
    3 August 2016 11: 45
    I believe that at a number of enterprises where the state defense order is not fulfilled, the plant's management has made it a kind of feeding trough for personal enrichment. Therefore, the state should. tough carrot and stick measures. For the timely delivery of military equipment, the enterprise should receive a solid profit, which is included in the negotiated wholesale price - 25%, as it was in Soviet times. And for the disruption of supplies and the supply of weapons and military equipment of inadequate quality - large monetary fines from the enterprise plus the initiation of a criminal case against the head of the enterprise. And even with actual landings, if it's to blame. And it does not matter whether it is a private enterprise or a government one. Took up the tug - do not say that it is not hefty. There is no time to stand on ceremony - a big war is constantly looming on the horizon. I am not sure of the veracity of the information, but in the thirties two or three directors of the Leningrad Bolshevik plant were shot for failure to fulfill the plan for the supply of military equipment. And only with the arrival of the director of D.F. Ustinov at the plant, the delivery plan was fulfilled, for which he was awarded the Order of Lenin. And yet, the article does not at all show the role of military missions in control over the timely delivery of military equipment. What are they doing? Meanwhile, I don’t know how it is now, but in Soviet times, I know from my own skin that the head of the military commander would have been so pissed off to disrupt supplies that they say “Mama don’t cry.” And finally, where is the role of the Customer? Now everything is somehow dull and little understood. There is a customer - the Ministry of Defense, but where are its structures, which are also responsible for disrupting supplies, delaying testing of new models of equipment? And in each region there is also a Governor or even a president, if this region is a republic and under his leadership there is a government in which there is a ministry of industry and (such an absurdity in defining functions!) Of trade. So these ministers are not engaged in industry, but in trade. It's easier! Personnel training. Almost all large defense plants had at least vocational schools in their economy, where they trained qualified workers, and many had branches of technical schools and institutes. Where is it all now? Yes Yes. But what about effective management? These are the costs! This means that, speaking seriously, these costs must be accepted and included in the calculation of the cost of military products. As a summary: the work of the state on the timely provision of troops is complex and multidimensional. While there is one chatter. At the level of journalistic research.
  12. +1
    3 August 2016 11: 47
    This is really a problem. Our fleet under construction is a fleet with consumables. That is, in the event of war, he will suffer losses and will need to be compensated. With the current lazy approach, this will not be possible.
  13. +3
    3 August 2016 13: 40
    I do not work in the "defense industry" but in urban planning, and our problem is the same: everyone is terribly stupid, because of ignorance of how to complete the task, because Soviet specialists had experience, but they do not, and those who remain have work experience only they have no experience within the framework of the socialist system and under capitalism, while our younger generation has no experience at all. So we poke around. The same was given at the factories, but they did not know how to do it. Well, they steal, rather they do not steal, but fraudulently.
  14. +5
    3 August 2016 14: 31
    Irresponsibility and impunity - the credo of Medvedev's "government", as well as all other "governments" after the collapse of the USSR.
    The same slogan is the motto of the United Russia party.
    And everyone was tired of the stupid and arrogant lies of these structures.
  15. +3
    3 August 2016 16: 21
    "In this case, we can conclude that the leadership of such enterprises, initially aware of the problems with the availability of suppliers, nevertheless signs a series of contracts for the performance of certain works with the Ministry of Defense. Well before, at least it could be attributed to “Vasilievism” and “Serdyukovism”, and now to whom? .. And so in a number of enterprises, one way or another connected with the implementation of the state defense order "...

    Maybe - enough?
    Especially with the Amur plant ... Year after year, despite the shift of management ...

    Bankruptcy ... Nationalization ... Landing and confiscation of the management staff ... Isn't it easier to carry out such a "triangular" action?

    Further ... Such as Shoigu - not a few, they - are ... Put such a manager at the Amur plant (and not only) ... Give carte blanche, help, determine the timing ...

    What are the problems guys ??? In reluctance ???
  16. +2
    3 August 2016 16: 57
    In order for anything related to production to be performed qualitatively and on time, or something, in this case, the state defense order, it is necessary that the management of the enterprise, the "manager" have at least the slightest idea of ​​the products being manufactured, so that the middle management level can effectively control the process production and, finally, the most important thing, that there would be those who would produce and manufacture all this in a high quality and desirable time. The loss of one of the links will lead to a disruption of the entire production process, in terms of time and quality, and in our case, in all positions It seems like continuous problems, which naturally translates into a delay in terms and quality of performance. And in order to overcome all this, you will not get off with a change in the management of enterprises and financing, you need a targeted state program, one might say a new industrialization of the country, and without this all this will continue from year to year.
  17. +3
    3 August 2016 17: 00
    “In this case, we can conclude that the management of such enterprises, initially knowing about the problems with the availability of suppliers, nevertheless signs a number of contracts for the performance of certain works with the Ministry of Defense. and now to whom? .. And so in a number of enterprises, one way or another connected with the implementation of the state defense order. "
    I agree with many, but not with this, at the present time, the defense industry enterprises often go to many if ... to ensure the utilization of enterprises, and they are usually joint-stock companies with one hundred percent state participation in the authorized capital, and it’s easy to do PKI and consumables It’s not interesting and they start to take time to pick up a package of orders that provide benefits in production. There is one more difficulty, the sets of documentation left over from the times of the USSR suddenly became the property not of the state, but of some enterprises, and the creation of a bicycle begins ...
  18. +1
    3 August 2016 20: 38
    It is clear that there are problems, that there are many of them. But in general, the main reason for the disruption, I think, is associated with the responsibility of "effective" managers.
    The main reason is the collapse of the industry as such, the severing of ties with subcontractors (and often the complete absence of them), the lack of specialists capable of performing the assigned tasks. The "effective manager" can be replaced. But who and what can replace a bad engineer, an outdated machine tool park, an armless turner, and low-quality materials?
  19. +4
    4 August 2016 02: 41
    Dear author

    Maybe (Well, earlier, at least for “Vasilievism” and “Serdyukovism”) on "putinschinu" to begin to write off? And then everyone is to blame, but he himself is holier than the Pope. I built a vertical, and the switchmen are to blame.