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AIF rearmament program news (France): search for a replacement for FAMAS is coming to an end

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Approaching the end of the competition of the French Ministry of Defense, which aims to select a new rifle weapons for the army. The French military studied the proposals of the participants of the competition and identified the favorites. In the foreseeable future, military experts will have to complete a study of the submitted documentation, after which a final choice will be made. The decision of the military department regarding the rearmament of the army will be announced at the end of this year or at the very beginning of the next.


Currently, the FAMAS automatic rifle is in service with the French army. The operation of this weapon began in the late seventies and continues to this day. Due to their age, existing rifles are not fully satisfied with the military. In addition, the production of such weapons was stopped in the late nineties, which seriously complicates the continuation of their use by the troops. All these factors led to the fact that in the year 2012 it was decided to replace the FAMAS rifles with other weapons that meet the existing requirements.

To replace the available rifles, the AIF program (Arme Individuelle du Futur - “The Individual Weapon of the Future”) was launched. At the time of launch of the tender, it was planned to purchase 90 thousand rifles of a new type in the standard and shortened versions. It was necessary to offer the French army automatic rifle caliber 5,56 mm, capable of using rifle grenades, as well as having a number of other features. It should also be possible to integrate the rifle into the FELIN combat gear kit. It was assumed that by the middle of this decade, participants in the comparative tests would be identified who would be able to compete with each other. The first serial rifles were planned to be obtained in the 2017 year.


FAMAS F1 rifle


Five foreign companies submitted their applications for participation in the tender. The German firm Heckler & Koch offered the HK416 automatic rifle, the Belgian FN presented the SCAR-L, the Italian Beretta the ARX-160A1, the Swiss SIG the MCX rifle, and the Croatian company HS Produkt took part in the tender with the VHS K-2 sample. All participants in the competition handed over to the customer the documentation for their projects, and also presented ready-made weapons for testing.

During the first stage of the competition, the customer, represented by the French Ministry of Defense, studied the proposed samples and made certain conclusions. To date, the French military has made a preliminary selection and determined the finalists of the competition. At the beginning of July, there was information that the HK416 and FN SCAR-L rifles of the German and Belgian / American designs claim to be the replacement for the FAMAS rifle, respectively. These samples are fully consistent with the requirements, so now experts have to choose the most convenient and promising weapons that will be purchased for the army.

According to the latest data published by the French press, over the next month, specialists from the General Directorate of Arms, who are responsible for choosing the new systems for the army, must make the final choice. At the same time, the official announcement of the results of the AIF tender should take place later. This is expected to happen no earlier than November 2016 of the year and no later than January of 2017. There are no “leaks” of information or hints, which is why the result of the current contest remains secret.

The announcement of the results of the competition next winter will allow the French military to meet the original schedule. Shortly after the announcement of the results may appear a contract for the supply of the required small arms. It is noteworthy that over the several years of the AIF program, the wishes of the army increased slightly. According to recent reports, now the French military are going to get not 90, and 101 thousand rifles. As before, the weapon will have to be supplied in two versions, differing in size and weight. The first production rifles, made to order, can be delivered to France before the end of next year. The full implementation of the future contract will take no more than a few years.

The adoption of a new automatic rifle will be an important and noticeable step in stories french army. The existing FAMAS rifles have been in operation since the end of the seventies, and their production lasted for about two decades. It was released about 400 thousand such rifles, some of which have developed their resource. In addition, the military are no longer prepared to put up with some characteristic design flaws that impede the use of weapons.


FAMAS G2


The development of the FAMAS project (Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de St-Étienne - “MAS assault rifle from Saint-Étienne”) started in the early seventies and was associated with the adoption of the 5,56XXNNXX mm M45 low-impulse cartridge . The military wanted light and compact weapons with the ability to fire effectively at ranges up to 193 m and compatibility with rifle grenades. The design team of MAS, under the leadership of Paul Tellier and Alain Kube, completed the development of the first version of the new weapon in 300. Soon, another new model appeared, which differed from most analogs of that time in a reduced length.

The main original innovation of the project was the use of the bullpup layout, which did not have wide distribution in small arms. As a result of the use of such an arrangement, a significant reduction in the dimensions of the weapon was achieved. In addition, this led to an unusual appearance of the rifle. So, all the main weapon assemblies are placed in an elongated receiver with an extended rear part that performs the functions of the butt. In the central part of the box there is a pistol grip, behind it is a store receiving device. The carrying element became the recognizable element of the FAMAS rifle, which also served as the basis for the sights.

Another original feature of the rifle was the type of automation used. Unlike many other samples, FAMAS uses automation based on a semi-free shutter with lever deceleration. A comparative lightweight bolt connects to a heavier frame with a lever system, which allows it to be braked during movement under the influence of recoil shot. In accordance with the wishes of the customer, the valve has the ability to eject the liner in any direction. The unused receiver window is covered by a removable lid, also performing the functions of the butt cheek.

The weapon is equipped with a barrel length 488 mm with three grooves. Such a barrel bore configuration allows the use of 5,56x45 mm ammunition with various types of bullets with a rifle. The chamber is equipped with longitudinal grooves that facilitate the extraction of spent cartridges. At the muzzle of the barrel there is a flame arrester that improves the characteristics of the fire, as well as providing the use of rifle grenades.

With a total length of 757 mm rifle FAMAS, depending on the modification, weighs no more than 3,8 kg (without cartridges). The initial speed of the bullet reaches 960 m / s, the effective firing range is 450 m. Automation provides the technical rate of fire at the level of 1000 rounds per minute.


Fighter with automatic rifle Heckler & Koch HK416


Initially, a modification of the FAMAS F1 rifle was supplied to the series. In the early nineties, the rifle was upgraded, resulting in the emergence of modifications G1 and G2. Weapons of different versions had some differences. In particular, the new rifle was able to use standard 30 magazine ammo instead of the original 25 ammo designed for FAMAS F1. Also produced versions of the rifle with a shortened barrel, several self-loading modifications, etc.

By the end of the nineties, the company GIAT Industries, engaged in the production of rifles FAMAS, fulfilled several orders for the supply of weapons to the French army and some foreign customers, "closing" all the needs for it. In the future, the manufacturing company carried out a number of production transformations, resulting in, among other things, the rejection of the further release of small arms. The GIAT leadership decided that maintaining production lines for rifles in the absence of orders for such weapons is not appropriate. A few years later, this led to the fact that France was forced to turn to foreign manufacturers for new weapons.

Two types of automatic rifles are currently being considered as a potential replacement for FAMAS: the German HK416 and the Belgian / Belgian FN SCAR-L. Interestingly, some French units already have experience in operating such weapons. Both samples have long been in service with the special forces of France, which have already used them in various operations. Thus, when choosing a replacement for an existing weapon, not only different characteristics, but also operating experience of the proposed systems can be taken into account.

The Heckler & Koch HK416 automatic rifle is a further development of the ideas embodied in the American M16 and M4 rifles. The German-made rifle uses a short-stroke gas automatics, and is also equipped with an improved version of the bolt used in the development of the United States. The rifle can be produced in several versions that have certain differences. For example, it is possible to manufacture products for cartridges 5,56x45 mm or 7,62x51 mm. There are also modifications that differ in barrel length, a set of additional equipment, etc. Thus, the customer has the opportunity to choose the version of the rifle that best meets his requirements.

Depending on the modification, the HK416 rifle has a length of no more than 950 mm and weighs (without cartridges) up to 3,9 kg. The speed of individual modifications reaches 850 shots per minute, the initial speed - up to 730 m / s. The target range varies from 200 m in shortened rifles to 600 m in full-size modifications. In all versions, box magazines are used on 20 or 30 cartridges, depending on the type of cartridge. Also rifles are compatible with stores of other types of high-capacity.


Shooting from FN SCAR-L (H)


The SCAR-L automatic rifle project was developed at the beginning of the two thousandth by the US branch of the Belgian company FN Herstal to participate in the competition of the US Special Operations Command. At the end of 2004, the two versions of the SCAR family of rifles were put into service. Parallel exploitation of weapons for various cartridges continued until the 2013 year. After that, it was decided to leave the SCAR-H rifle chambered for 7,62x51 mm, and the SCAR-L for a low-pulse 5,56x45 mm was gradually decommissioned.

The SCAR-L automatic rifle is a weapon built on the basis of a gas engine with a short piston stroke. The piston is made as a separate part and is not part of the bolt carrier. Locking is done by turning the bolt and the interaction lugs. The rifle has a receiver, consisting of two main units. The top one is made of metal alloys and accommodates the bolt group, and also has barrel mountings that allow its replacement. The lower part of the receiver is made of polymeric materials.

A characteristic feature of the SCAR project is the use of a modular weapon architecture with the ability to change various parameters of the finished sample. Due to this, rifles with different barrel lengths and other differences in characteristics can be manufactured. With a length of up to 990, a rifle for a low-impulse cartridge weighs no more than 3,5 kg. It is possible to change the parameters of the stock and the installation of various additional equipment.

The rate of FN SCAR-L reaches 600-625 rounds per minute, the initial speed of the bullet - up to 870 m / s. It is possible to conduct effective fire at ranges up to 800. A standard NATO shop on 30 cartridges is used. Compatibility with other high-capacity ammunition systems is also ensured.

Both rifles, considered as a possible replacement for FAMAS, have already been the subject of a large number of contracts for the supply of weapons to one or another country. Among others, such weapons were ordered by France for a long time to special-purpose units. At the same time, HK416 and FN SCAR-L have a number of noticeable differences that can have a noticeable impact on the operation and, as a result, on the choice of a potential customer in the person of the French army.

After several years of comparisons, analysis of documentation and inspections of the products presented, the French armed forces decided on the finalists of the current AIF competition. In the near future, the army intends to choose a winning rifle of the tender, which in the foreseeable future will have to replace the existing FAMAS products of all modifications. The results of the tender will be announced at the end of autumn or in winter. Shortly thereafter, a contract for the supply of serial weapons should appear. What will be the decision of the Main Directorate of Armaments is not yet clear. Both selected models have both positive and negative features that can influence the final decision of the military and affect the future rearmament of the army.


On the materials of the sites:
http://journallessentinelles.com/
https://lenta.ru/
http://world.guns.ru/
http://heckler-koch.com/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
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  1. Operator
    Operator 18 July 2016 06: 43
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    The reason for replacing the FAMAS semi-free bolt rifle is the unification of ammunition within NATO - French cartridges with a steel sleeve (designed for high pressure in the barrel when the semi-free bolt moves away) cannot be replaced for this rifle with standard NATO cartridges with a brass sleeve.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 18 July 2016 13: 35
      +5
      Quote: Operator
      French cartridges with a steel sleeve (designed for high pressure in the barrel when the half-free bolt moves away) cannot be replaced for this rifle with standard NATO cartridges with a brass sleeve.

      They themselves came up with ali who suggested? The F1 cartridge for FAMAS in pressure and bullet design is completely similar to the American M193 - for the roots of them from one source - the Belgian SS109, were produced with two types of sleeves - steel and brass, in 1995. GIAT has fully standardized the cartridge in accordance with STANAG 4172 and produces 5,56 for the army with only a brass sleeve. In addition, because of tricky cutting and automation, FAMAS shoots with all types of 5,56 with any types of shells and bullet design.
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 July 2016 14: 43
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        Then it shoots - FAMAS - shoots with all NATO STANAG 4172 standard cartridges (where can it go from a submarine), only it has more delays when shooting cartridges with a brass sleeve than when shooting with a steel sleeve
        http://silovik.net/forum/index.php?topic=8954.15

        Therefore, at FAMAS, even the native (non-standard) store has a capacity of 25 cartridges, which somehow hints at the desirability of firing a single fire in self-loading mode, rather than firing bursts in automatic mode.

        Without exception, all the semi-free bolt weapons adopted for service are necessarily equipped with Revelli grooves in the barrel chamber, otherwise the breakage of the fired cartridge case is guaranteed. The predominant use of steel sleeves with high tensile strength serves the same purpose.

        By the way, in the experimental LAD light machine gun, the designers overdid it with the dimensions of Revelli's grooves, as a result of which, after firing a machine gun belt, the machine gunner's face was the color of an African American. The same thing applies to a lesser extent to the owners of the FAMAS rifle after intense firing in bursts (usually by new recruits).

        What is the "trick" of cutting the FAMAS barrel (except for the so-called polygonality, which does not in any way affect the cutting step and, accordingly, the bullet rotation speed)?
        1. bunta
          bunta 18 July 2016 15: 33
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          Quote: Operator
          there are more delays when firing cartridges with a brass sleeve

          Rather than rupture of the liner.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 18 July 2016 21: 20
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            Quote: bunta
            Rather than rupture of the liner.

            Why did it happen? Problems usually arise with steel sleeves, weapons with a chamber designed for a steel sleeve function normally on brass, but on the contrary there are often problems - the elastic modulus of steel is twice as much as brass - and as experience shows, the lower the elastic modulus, the easier the extraction, for example, the first a sign of a broken chamber in three tight extraction of steel sleeves with normal brass.
            Quote: Operator
            designed for high pressure in the barrel when the half-free shutter moves away

            Tutochki exactly the opposite - brass casings in chambers for steel tend to give a higher peak pressure with a constant average, in more detail these phenomena were described in an article devoted to the "murder" of Tigers on Izhmash in the mid-90s (if my memory does not let me down by the author Dragunov Jr. , the magazine "rifle" of the late 90s) the article, in principle, was devoted to the collective farm reload in the field and the fatal problems associated with this for the Tigers, the pomnitsa on Izhmash killed three tigers for experimental and demonstrative purposes, equipping cartridges with all sorts of rubbish such as "falcon", but the essence is not In this, in the article, among other things, there was a recommendation not to use cartridges with a brass sleeve - but not because of breaks, blowing, etc. - with extraction, on the contrary, everything was in order - but due to the excess of the peak pressure by 10-15% leading to increased wear.
            1. bunta
              bunta 19 July 2016 07: 25
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              Quote: gross kaput
              Why did it happen? Problems usually arise with steel sleeves, weapons with a chamber designed for a steel sleeve function normally on brass, but on the contrary there are often problems - the elastic modulus of steel is twice as much as brass - and as experience shows, the lower the elastic modulus, the easier the extraction, for example, the first a sign of a broken chamber in three tight extraction of steel sleeves with normal brass.

              This is partly true, but for weapons with a bolt or butterfly valve in automation, when extraction is carried out with a low residual pressure or its absence. In the phantom, a semi-free shutter, extraction occurs with a high residual pressure (therefore, Revelli’s grooves), therefore it breaks the sleeve if these grooves are clogged with soot. As a result of the rupture of the sleeve, a portion of gases in the face of the arrow - this is indicated by the author of the topic using the Operator link.
        2. gross kaput
          gross kaput 18 July 2016 21: 06
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          Quote: Operator
          What is the "trick" of cutting the FAMAS barrel

          The groove pitch of 228 mm is an intermediate between the standard for M16A1 305 and 178 for M16A2 with the corresponding M193 and M855. Well, her cut is not polygonal - the barrel just has non-standard three right rifling.
          Quote: Operator
          Therefore, at FAMAS, even the native (non-standard) store has a capacity of 25 cartridges, which somehow hints at the desirability of firing a single fire in self-loading mode, rather than firing bursts in automatic mode.

          It’s as if when FAMAS was designed by a regular store, We were sixteen twenty-shot, and somehow the presence of a cut-off line of three shots hints that this pipe was designed more for automatic shooting.
          Quote: Operator
          Without exception, all adopted small arms with a semi-free bolt without fail

          ALL entot what? G-3 and its other relatives and famas are a wide choice.
          1. Operator
            Operator 18 July 2016 21: 51
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            What is the trick of cutting the FAMAS barrel - in the arithmetic mean approach to choosing the cutting step?

            The M16 example is indicative directly from the opposite side - as soon as required, they immediately released the 30 cartridge magazine for automatic firing with a cut-off of three rounds instead of the 20 cartridge for single fire.

            Serial G3 and FAMAS - quite a good selection.
          2. ILDM1986
            ILDM1986 20 July 2016 09: 10
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            Connoisseurs, do not tell me what the matter is:
            FAMAS beg. speed 960 m / s with an effective range of 450 m
            NK nach speed 730 sighting range 600 m
            SCAR initial speed 870 effective range 800m
            what is wrong with FAMAS? in theory, the higher the speed of the bullet, the higher the range of aimed and effective shooting, or again different comparison methods?
            1. bunta
              bunta 20 July 2016 10: 57
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              In your question porridge. First, specify what interests you: the aiming range or effective firing range or maybe DPV. For which kokh and skara (with which cartridge and barrel length). I think how to figure this out, you will find the answer to your question.
              1. ILDM1986
                ILDM1986 20 July 2016 19: 37
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                Well then, this is not a question for me, but for the author of the article, he has such a mess and it turns out. these numbers and concepts from its text, therefore, he brought that nothing is clear, like the speed of the bullet is higher (if it is a bullet of a standard NATO cartridge, then its energy, respectively), but for some reason, the effective firing range is almost as much as 2 times understated compared to SCAR. It is clear that the SCAR configuration is taken with the longest barrel (most likely also a special selective "sniper" one), but is the FAMAS design really so flawed that at a higher initial bullet velocity it does not allow achieving at least approximately equal to the SCAR result? Or maybe at least FAMAS is compared with SCAR in accuracy when shooting at a height / chest figure?
  2. vomag
    vomag 18 July 2016 07: 09
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    After that, it was decided to leave the SCAR-H rifles under the cartridge 7,62x51 mm in service, and the SCAR-L modification under the low-pulse 5,56x45 mm gradually to decommission .. Woah how! Here the floor of the site says that modularity is cool right in the battle, change the trunks and fell than they’ve got! And they’ve decided to decommission SCAR-L ..... ha ha ha that's the whole story with modularity and others Pribludy from Couture.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 18 July 2016 09: 04
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      Quote: vomag
      SCAR-H


      Scar H will remain with the same modularity as before. And with three configurations. And with conversion kits to the 5,56 caliber. And then...

      In 2010, a controversial statement was made that SOCOM removes the FN SCAR L model. Representatives of the command said that they would use the FN SCAR Heavy and FN SCAR SSR versions, and they would also order kits for converting them to the 5,56 mm caliber.
      A division of FNH-USA denies the decommissioning of SCAR Light. In their press release, they state: “The choice between the 5,56 mm caliber and the 7,62 mm caliber will be provided to each unit of the United Command USSOCOM (i.e., SEAL, rangers, army special forces, MARSOC, AFSOC) depending on their specific current tasks.”


      Many experts and readers of the forums accused the company of distorting the facts and that the 5,56 mm version of the caliber was really removed from service. One and a half years later, in December, the 2011 division of the Crane Naval Arms Development Center placed an order for FN SCAR rifles, including both light and heavy modifications, indicating the use of the light version in some divisions.
      1. the47th
        the47th 18 July 2016 10: 12
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        And it seems that the only reason for maintaining the SCAR-H is the lack of other modern assault rifles under the .308 caliber in the US Army. M14 is already a hundred years old at lunch.
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 18 July 2016 12: 38
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          And it seems that professionals who are better trained and shoot more accurately tend to the more powerful 7,62 caliber, while poorly trained guerrillas, militias, or "second line" troops prefer less powerful, less accurate, but lighter (incl. h. and in terms of carrying ammunition) 5,45-5,56 ...
          1. otto meer
            otto meer 18 July 2016 13: 26
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            Why is it so derogatory about the "little impulse"? Which, by the way, loses to 7.62 only in one parameter, muzzle energy, far exceeding in a number of others. Including accuracy. smile
            1. the47th
              the47th 18 July 2016 17: 11
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              The problem of 5,56 (and 5,45) mm cartridges is poor efficiency against natural barriers (brick, wood). If the bullet .308 caliber does not even notice a brick wall, then the 5,56 mm bullet, after breaking through the wall, does not have enough energy to hit the enemy behind this wall.
              1. otto meer
                otto meer 19 July 2016 12: 45
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                Quote: the47th
                The problem of 5,56 (and 5,45) mm cartridges is poor efficiency against natural barriers (brick, wood).
                Bullet penetration (at 80–90% of through penetrations). Somehow like this...
                1. Operator
                  Operator 19 July 2016 13: 48
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                  The penetrative effect of bullets of different calibers with the same type of core when firing at the same armored range at the same distance is directly proportional to the kinetic energy of the bullet divided by the frontal cross-sectional area of ​​the bullet (more precisely, the core).

                  At a distance of one meter from the muzzle end, the specific energy of bullets of cartridges 5,45x39 mm, 5,56x45 mm, 6x49 mm and 7,62x51 mm is:
                  initial speed, m / s 870 / 990 / 1150 / 840
                  weight, g 3,6 / 3,6 / 5 / 10
                  kinetic energy, J 1362 / 1764 / 3306 / 3528
                  midship area, sq. mm 24,6 / 25,5 / 30,1 / 48,4
                  specific energy, J / sq.mm 55,3 / 69,1 / 109,8 / 72,9
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 18 July 2016 17: 53
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            Quote: Aqela
            And it seems that professionals who are better trained and shoot more accurately tend to a more powerful 7,62 caliber,

            At one time there was a cool satirical story - Shooting some sacred cows, dedicated to the history of the American army rifleman after WWI. There, since the 60s, the army regularly declared: "fortunately, we will soon move back to .30". The last transition date was named 2020. smile
            http://kris-reid.livejournal.com/604805.html
            1. Operator
              Operator 18 July 2016 18: 35
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              The joke materialized - in connection with the adoption of ceramic body armor that can withstand the impact of armor-piercing bullets, it is quite likely that in 2020 the transition to high-pulse cartridges of the caliber 6x49 and 7,62x51 is likely.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 18 July 2016 21: 30
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                The operator, the last time you unobtrusively declined to answer - maybe now answer - you in the army or what other power structure did you serve?
                And by the way, about ceramics and polyethylene, take an interest in domestic work in the field of polyethylene - there is one interesting effect there that was accidentally discovered during tests - at certain bullet velocities, a plate that cannot be penetrated at a higher speed is broken - this was essentially discovered by accidentally simulating the shelling of a plate from polytelena holding 7,62X39 from 10 meters, it turned out that at a speed of equal range of 200 meters, it breaks through, the "pocket" was at a distance of 200 to 300 meters, the same effect, though not so pronounced, is also present in ceramics.
                1. Operator
                  Operator 18 July 2016 21: 58
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                  And where does high molecular weight polyethylene, if we are talking about ceramics like ESAPI?

                  Give a link to the effect of penetration of boron carbide by a bullet in a certain speed range (not at maximum speed).
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 19 July 2016 13: 01
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                    Quote: Operator
                    Give a link to the effect of penetration of boron carbide by a bullet in a certain speed range

                    The magazine "Technics and Armaments" is about three years old, if I am not too lazy in the evening, I will flip through the binder and find which number specifically.
                    Quote: Operator
                    And where does high molecular weight polyethylene, if we are talking about ceramics like ESAPI?

                    Once again, for those who read diagonally, they accidentally initially discovered it on polyethylene, after which they had already targeted shots of other materials and ceramics had the same pocket only in a slightly different speed range.

                    And yet again without an answer about the service, although the answer is so in principle obvious - did not serve, knowledge is purely theory. My "personal" armor was "3-05 cuirass", the choice of b / w, although not large, I had, I stopped on the cuirass not by chance - it is modular in its full version weighs 18 kg, but I did not put 5 class plates never, it was mainly used in the 2nd class (titanium, aluminum scales, TSVM packages and a damper) and even in this version it is quite weighty - about 8 kg - although it completely protects the body from shrapnel and pistol bullets with an almost completely absent obstruction trauma. With plates of class 3, the mass is about 15 kg, in this form I had a chance to hang around the landfill - you should have tried - Breastplate 15 kg, STSH 81 2,3 kg, RPK 74n 4,7 kg, 8 stores 4 kg, r / s 0,5 kg, 2 RGD5 - 0,6 kg, PM with a spare magazine of 0,9 kg, plus all the small things - Unloading Tarzan M21, flask, IPP, RSP, etc., another 1,5 kilograms - a total of 30 kg, and a shovel will be loaded onto an infantryman , a gas mask, a dry ration and a BC will add up to the standard 900 pieces on the RPK74 - in general, try to turn on the logic and understand that until there are no exoskeletons massively infantry in class 5-6 armor will not be changed - such b / w have their own rather narrow niche and no one fights with them. Well, to make it clearer, take a bag of cement and run around with it on your shoulders for an hour or two, climb stairs and equipment.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 19 July 2016 13: 22
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                      An ESAPI chest plate withstand armor-piercing rifle bullets weighs 7,5 kg, body armor with it 9 kg - almost like your anti-fragmentation version of the 3-05 cuirass.

                      I'm waiting for a link to the TV number on the vulnerability of boron carbide armored plates.
        2. Tsoy
          Tsoy 18 July 2016 16: 03
          +2
          Quote: the47th
          M14 is a hundred years old at lunch.


          Well, the latest modification from the "classic" m14 differs quite strongly. For example m39 EMR. Although, of course, the m14 has a long combat path.
          1. the47th
            the47th 18 July 2016 16: 56
            +2
            50 years of difference can not be fixed kit. He, of course, will make the M14 more convenient, but she still can not reach the same AR or SCAR. If in the army they were armed with a 7,62 mm assault rifle on the AR platform, they would choose it.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 18 July 2016 13: 26
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        Quote: Choi
        Scar H will remain with the same modularity as before. And with three configurations. And with conversion kits to the 5,56 caliber. And then...

        light and heavy versions of SCAR - while these are different systems ...
        SCAR-H rifles will use the much more powerful 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge as the base ammunition, with the possibility, after replacing the necessary components (bolt, barrel, lower part of the receiver with magazine receiver), to use other cartridges (however, these plans have not yet been implemented).

        so while modularity is interchangeable trunks -
        SCAR rifle configurations have three possible configurations - standard "S" (Standard), short for close combat "CQC" (Close Quarters Combat) and sniper "SV" (Sniper Variant).


        7.62mm NATO FN SCAR-H / Mk.17 caliber rifles, top down options with a long barrel (LB), standard barrel (Std) and close combat option (CQC)
        1. Tsoy
          Tsoy 18 July 2016 15: 32
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          Quote: PSih2097

          light and heavy versions of SCAR - while these are different systems ...


          No longer. After 5 years after winning a tender, kits for changing callibers come out to the US civilian market. Judging by the article below the link, such kits were before, only from other manufacturers. And now there is from the FN itself.

          http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/fn-unveils-7-62x39-conversion-k
          it-for-scar-17 /
        2. Tsoy
          Tsoy 18 July 2016 15: 35
          +1
          Quote: Choi
          And now there is from the FN itself.


          Shops from ak on scar ... looks unusual.
  3. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 July 2016 08: 24
    +11
    So in the press, they write that the XK-416 is also not a fountain ... And there are lots of shoals ... In general, wonderful things are happening in the weapons world. Ours cannot create a pistol, and masturbation continues between AEK, Ak -12 and Ak74M, Galil buys Vietnam, Israel takes Tavor for supply ... The Germans are looking for a replacement G36, America praises its M-4, but the soldiers refuse to fight with it, and even wacky wonders!
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 18 July 2016 12: 50
      +3
      Heckler und Koch (former Mauser company, if anything) - not fools, of course. And their hands grow from the right place. However, expressing the point of view that 416 is "not a fountain", it is advisable to cite a little more specific facts.
      As I understand the situation, X-K tried to get the most out of the AR-15 / M-16 design ... In fact, they succeeded. The same that the design of the "arch" with a cheap design (and all armies are striving to reduce the cost - you need to arm a bunch of people) is very unreliable, and with an expensive design it is not much inferior in the reliability of AKM, but it costs well, just a brutal dough (it seems from $ 2500 and very even higher) is not a secret.
      I remember reading an article in Soldier of Fortune about .45 pistols. They compared HK USP, Colt M1911A, S&W. The comparison was unequivocally in favor of the "German" (just too big - you can't put it in your pocket). I also remember the moment that it was recommended immediately when buying a "Colt" to give it to a normal gunsmith for fine-tuning and adjustment.
      By the way, doesn’t it seem to you that the same can be said for the latest pistol designs for the Russian army? There is a strong impression that the problem is not in the design of many of the pistols, but in the technology and culture of production ... sad crying
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 July 2016 13: 02
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        The problem of Russian pistols is also in the design - the same Lebedev pistol is designed (God forgive me!) For holding the handle with a bent down hand am
        1. Lyubopyatov
          Lyubopyatov 18 July 2016 20: 46
          +1
          That is, he is worse than Serdyukov?
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 20 July 2016 23: 20
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            Quote: Lyubopyatov
            That is, he is worse than Serdyukov?

            So it’s worse! Specialists are happy with Gyurza! And about Lebedev, ergonomics, with the handle turned off, only questions arise ... Shooting is only self-cocking, and the pull-down force is 4,5 kg! Guys, I understand that I’m far from a great specialist in pistols, and I shot only from the personnel PM! But think about what the hell accuracy, with such parameters USM. Swift was defamed, although he will be more interesting in terms of parameters! And in general, a license for Glock was bought from ours, albeit stamped, since they can’t do it themselves!
  4. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 18 July 2016 09: 57
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    In France, NK is already operated by special forces; in general, geography will be wider
  5. thinker
    thinker 18 July 2016 10: 42
    +3
    Repetition - the mother of learning? Yesterday about this was https://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=98061
  6. otto meer
    otto meer 18 July 2016 13: 32
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    They wouldn’t invent a bicycle. HundK would take. Anything more interesting than Famas. Here the Britons tormented, tormented with their ELka, and went to bow to the Bosch, and the cowboys are the same. Now Monsieur is your turn.
  7. datur
    datur 18 July 2016 15: 13
    +2
    Well, the Germans Neklera-disgust the French, their famak byaka !!! and only American AR SUPER !!!! FREE MARKET EPT !!!! wink
  8. lukke
    lukke 18 July 2016 15: 15
    +2
    in general, to hell - with which the paddling pool will run ...
    1. karelia-molot
      karelia-molot 19 July 2016 11: 50
      +2
      Run away? ))))

      "- How many tanks do you need to defend Paris?
      - Nobody knows. They have never tried it. "(C)