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Russian wings for dragon

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Perhaps the main element of our partnership with China has always been military-technical cooperation (MTC). Almost ten years ago, China bought from us a fairly wide range of weapons, including destroyers, combat and transport aircraft and helicopters, and even rocket technology - for a total of about 1,5-1,8 billion dollars a year. But at the beginning of this decade, the situation has changed dramatically.

Latest deliveries and first draft of a new type

Despite the fact that the volume of our military-technical cooperation with China in nominal terms remained almost at the same level, the range of military supplies has now drastically decreased. This is due to the gigantic success of the Chinese military industrial complex, which with its own forces was able to launch the production of very high-quality small arms weapons and armored vehicles of all kinds, as well as warships near and far ocean zones. At the same time, the Chinese industry is quite far advanced in the production of front-line fighters of the third generation and in the cloning of fourth-generation vehicles of Russian design and air defense systems. Moreover, a few years ago, China even presented a project of its own fifth generation fighter, which, however, looks very similar to the MiG created in our country at the turn of the century (1.44 product), which did not go into series.

As a result, now purchases of Russian equipment are of a point, if not selective nature. In other words, the Chinese acquire from us only the newest types of technology, which they have not yet learned to clone qualitatively, or it is, in principle, impossible at this stage. First of all, we are talking about Russian aviation engines RD-33, which are equipped with Chinese aircraft of the third generation FC-1, as well as the export version of the fifth generation fighter J-31. In addition, for their fourth generation J-10 and J-11 fighters (Su-30 clones), the Chinese buy from us AL-31F power plants. The thing is that own Chinese-made aircraft engines for these aircraft - WS-10, WS-13, WS-15 - have too little assigned resource. Three or four years ago, for example, for the WS-10 power plant, it was only about 300 hours, which is several times less than that of Russian counterparts. True, the Chinese have recently announced that they have managed to increase the resource of their engine up to 1500 hours, but they could not confirm this with any documents.

Finally, in addition to complex systems and subsystems for their military equipment, the Ministry of Defense of the PRC still continues to acquire the latest final samples from us. Thus, at the end of 2014, the PRC signed a contract with Russia for the supply of at least six divisions of the C-400 air defense system worth more than 3 billion dollars. A few months ago, an agreement was signed on the supply of X-NUMX X-NUMX fighter jets to the People's Republic of China for 24 billion dollars, which relate to the so-called 35 ++ generation. In the case of the C-2, the Chinese are primarily interested in the new radar and the new ultra-long-range missile, which along with other weapons of destruction is included in the kit of this air defense system. All the other components of our new system, the Chinese have long learned to do themselves. As for the Su-4, then China doesn’t have any special sense in buying these cars, but this contract simply could not be signed for political reasons, as it was discussed for a long time and is important from the point of view of the balance of the Russian-Chinese turnover. Nevertheless, it is necessary to clearly understand that the agreements on the Su-400 and C-35 are likely to become the latest supply contracts for finished Russian military equipment in the PRC. There is no doubt that further development of the technological partnership between Russia and China is possible only under the condition of jointly creating new sophisticated equipment, and not necessarily military, but necessarily the joint efforts of the designers of the two countries. Obviously, in Russia and China, they all understand this perfectly. That is why now Moscow and Beijing are staking on an equal technological partnership in the implementation of new joint projects. The first such project, in fact, has already started.

"ChinaRobus" for $ 20 billion

The Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov signed with his Chinese counterpart Miao Wei an intergovernmental agreement on joint development, production, commercialization and after-sales service of the new wide-body passenger aircraft. In China, he has already received the working title C929. This airliner should appear on the world market in about ten years and end the long-standing duopoly of the current industry leaders, Airbus and Boeing, who still dominate the segment of long-range large-capacity aircraft. Moreover, this program has every chance of becoming one of the most ambitious projects of Russian-Chinese cooperation in the field of high technologies. Its total cost is estimated at between 13 billion and 20 billion dollars.

It has already been decided that all the work on the new liner will be handled by a special joint venture, which the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) and the Chinese civilian aircraft company COMAC will create on a parity basis. Moreover, as follows from the agreement signed by UAC President Yuri Slusar with the Chairman of the Board of Directors of COMAC Jin Zanglun, the new joint venture should be registered in the PRC by the end of this year.

The technical characteristics of the new liner are known only in the most general terms. It is assumed that this aircraft will accommodate 250-280 passengers and have a maximum range of 12 thousands of kilometers. The whole question is how COMAC and UAC agree on the distribution of work. It is clear that the Russian engineering school, unlike the Chinese, has all the necessary knowledge to create such a ship. We have already developed and produced wide-body aircraft with four engines - IL-86 and IL-96. True, by the beginning of this century they were uncompetitive, both because of high fuel consumption and due to the too low level of use of composite materials.

Nevertheless, Russia already has the experience of creating from scratch a technologically successful narrow-body aircraft that meets absolutely all world standards, which will certainly be in demand when designing a new wide-body model. This is about SSJ 100. Now in the world more than 70 of such machines are used, including in Ireland and in Mexico. Over the 4 year of operation, over 3 million passengers were transported to them. But the Chinese analogue of this car - ARJ21 - only last week made its first commercial flight. And this despite the fact that both aircraft began to be developed at the same time. But that is not all.

Just a month ago, our country proved to the world that it is also capable of creating a single-body mainline airliner, MC-21. This aircraft as a whole is more than 40% composed of composite materials, and its wings are almost 100%. The so-called black wings are a revolutionary innovation for narrow-body aircraft. Their use significantly reduces the total weight of the liner design and promises truly fantastic benefits during operation.

Nowadays, only four manufacturers own airframes for manufacturing full-size composite wings - more than 18 meters long and more than three meters wide - Airbus, Boeing, Canadian Bombardier and our UAC. Note that the Chinese in developing their own main narrow-body aircraft - С919 - did not even try to use this technology. As a result, the new Chinese liner is almost entirely made of aluminum alloys, which makes it uncompetitive in the global market.

Considering all this, it is logical to assume that for the new wide-body aircraft, Russia will make the wings and the tail unit, and our Chinese partners will make the fuselage. In the latter case, the widespread use of composite materials is not expected, so there is no need to worry about the work of Chinese colleagues. Nevertheless, the new liner already has one weak point - the engine. Neither we, let alone the PRC, have ever produced power plants for large twin-engine wide-body aircraft. This means that, at least at first, a GE, Rolls-Royce or Pratt & Whitney engine will be installed on the new Russian-Chinese liner. Most likely one of those that are equipped with Boeing 787-8 or Airbus A350-900. However, the Perm design bureau Aviadvigatel has already promised to develop its own Russian engine with a thrust of 10 tons - PD-35 for the new aircraft in 35 years. “We have calculated the approximate parameters of the engine and are ready for development. This is an expensive project, we tentatively estimate it at 180 billion rubles "- said the general director of Aviadvigatel Alexander Inozemtsev.

The management of the Chinese company COMAC hopes to launch a total of about 1 thousands of new wide-body aircraft along with UAC. And this task does not look unsolvable. According to Boeing’s predictions, in the next 20 years around the world, 8,8 thousands of wide-body airliners will be sold for a total of 2,7 trillion dollars. Of these, about 1,5 thousand are expected to be acquired by China. But Russia, in which only about 70 of such aircraft are currently being operated, will at best acquire only one and a half to two hundred. Nevertheless, taking into account the Chinese demand, this is quite enough for this project to take place.
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  1. Crabio
    Crabio 9 July 2016 05: 52
    +6
    As for the Su-35, there is no particular sense in buying these machines from China, but this contract simply could not be signed for political reasons, since it has been discussed for too long and is important from the point of view of the balance of Russian-Chinese turnover. (s)
    -------------------------------------------------- -
    I do not agree. China currently does not have a comparable vehicle.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 9 July 2016 06: 37
      +22
      Comrades ... can you say the name of "not a very smart person" ... who gave permission to sell the Su-35S and S-400 to the PRC?

      Business and only business? A worthless businessman from this person in this case.
      After 5 years, no Su-35S and S-400 will be bought from Russia.
      In 5 years they will buy the same cars (only under a different name) from China.
      They will cost half the price ... and the quality will not be worse .... the time has passed for Chinese consumer goods.

      For example, you don’t have to go far ...
      PHL - 03 MLRS ... a copy of Tornado ... is cheaper in terms of performance characteristics even surpasses.
      Shenyang J-16 ... an analogue of the Su-30SM ... at the final stage of development. It costs 35% cheaper.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 9 July 2016 10: 28
        +3
        Quote: HERMES

        Business and only business?


        Business has nothing to do with politics. Su35 refused to export to China without guarantees of protection of intellectual rights. And then Syria happened, and they kind of forgotten about guarantees ...
      2. Tektor
        Tektor 9 July 2016 12: 06
        +2
        worn out and only business? A shitty businessman from this person in this case.
        After 5 years, no Su-35S and S-400 will be bought from Russia.
        Well, do not worry so much ... Su-35 and is designed to increase export volumes, like the S-400. The supply of their export versions cannot do us any harm.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 9 July 2016 15: 07
          +4
          Quote: Tektor
          Well, do not worry so much ... Su-35 and is designed to increase export volumes, like the S-400. The supply of their export versions cannot do us any harm.


          With these deliveries we cultivate a serious competitor ... accelerate their progress, and they are never our allies and friends. They are just waiting for the moment to grab everything to the Urals ... and Mongolia to the heap.

          In 10 - 15 years the Chinese will stop copying ... They will have to copy and take developments. And the role of "catching up" will "solemnly" be transferred to Russia.
          This is the tactics of the USSR ... it was on the basis of Western models that the USSR was able to create its own weapon, which the Western "ancestors" could not reach. Now this is observed in the PRC ... The Chinese are not so stupid ...
          1. Nonik
            Nonik 9 July 2016 16: 57
            0
            Quote: HERMES
            In 10 - 15 years the Chinese will stop copying ... They will have to copy and take developments. And the role of "catching up" will "solemnly" be transferred to Russia.

            They could not master modern engines. Only 4 states were able to master them - Russia, the USA, Great Britain and France.
            1. Tsoy
              Tsoy 9 July 2016 17: 22
              +1
              Quote: NoNick
              Russia, USA, UK and France.


              And saab gripen? It has a Volvo engine, I don’t know the effectiveness ...
          2. haenx
            haenx 9 July 2016 17: 22
            +4
            And it seemed to me that Stalin was buying samples for familiarization and the fight against Western weapons. And Western weapons are a hybrid of the works of all the scientists of the world who have migrated to the United States. In the 20s, approximately 500 major scientists who headed departments and entire scientific fields (S.N. Vinogradsky, V.K. Agafonov, K.N. Davydov, P.A. Sorokin, and others) emigrated, as well as thousands of engineers and doctors. and other specialists. Hitler received aircraft technology for Messerschmitts and Fokers in the United States. And we just got acquainted with the technology of a potential adversary, but we did our own thing.
          3. Usher
            Usher 10 July 2016 05: 56
            -1
            Lol, who told you that? Have you been to China? I live on the border with Mongolia and China, I have not seen a Chinese for a long time, and then only as a tourist in Moscow. I asked the Chinese about the so-called. "capture" of Siberia, they asked me, why is this territory, if they cannot master theirs? Their cities are half empty. And you grab it, this is a clinical myth that is supported and hyped by you.
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 9 July 2016 21: 10
        +1
        Quote: HERMES
        In 5 years they will buy the same cars (only under a different name) from China.

        After 5 years, there will already be other systems and aircraft. Besides how much China delivered for export of the Su-27 and s-300 clones, Iran itself could very well purchase an analogue of the s-300 from China.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 July 2016 09: 23
      +7
      Quote: Crabio
      I do not agree. China currently does not have a comparable vehicle.

      To clarify, China does not have engines of a comparable level. hi
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 9 July 2016 09: 52
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        To clarify, China does not have engines of a comparable level.


        Will be ... very soon ...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 July 2016 23: 14
          +2
          Will not.
          Quote: HERMES
          For example, you don’t have to go far ...
          PHL - 03 MLRS ... a copy of Tornado ... is cheaper in terms of performance characteristics even surpasses.
          Shenyang J-16 ... analogue of Su-30СМ ... at the final stage of development. It costs less by 35%

          Well, fine :) I won’t say anything about MLRS, but about J-16 - heroic Chinese who were late in 19 years (Su-30MKI went to the series in 97-like) were able to create an analog that is somewhat better for radar (AFAR, as if ) but undeniably worse in terms of engine life. Bravo.
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 10 July 2016 09: 30
          0
          Quote: HERMES
          Will be ... very soon ...


          If you give the monkey a set of radio components and a sample, then it will collect the receiver, but will it set it up? And not in 5 years they will repeat the S-400, more. We, too, are not standing still, and the policy "this is MY scoop" is dead-end. They will steal it anyway.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 July 2016 06: 32
    +6
    In other words, the Chinese are acquiring only the latest types of equipment from us, which they have not yet learned how to clone with high quality, or this is basically impossible at this stage.

    Yes, the days have passed when the PRC massively purchased from us T-34, AK-47, TT and so forth. Time is running . And now they themselves are able to make the latest weapons. Let not 100% with good quality, but still.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 9 July 2016 07: 27
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      Let not 100% with good quality, but still.

      Comrade ... if we talk about 100% ... if we compare it with the quality of the USSR ... then even the Russian military-industrial complex does not work "at 100% with good quality". What can we say about "squinting" ...
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 9 July 2016 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Let not all 100% with good quality, but all the same


      Yeah ... on the tank biathlon, their quality was visible ...
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 9 July 2016 15: 11
        +2
        Quote: Choi
        Yeah ... on the tank biathlon, their quality was visible ...


        Time goes on ... The Chinese steal and become more and more powerful. Quality will also appear.
        Do not forget that the T-72 went through wars ... many wars. The first production models of the T-72 were not reliable ... even despite the experience of the T-54, T-55, T-62.
        1. Tsoy
          Tsoy 9 July 2016 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: HERMES
          Time goes on ... The Chinese steal and become more and more powerful. Quality will also appear.


          In this you are right that sooner or later the quantity will turn into quality. And originality in the development will appear. The main thing is not to miss the moment when China, in addition to money and industry, will also have a scientific base for development.
  3. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 9 July 2016 06: 32
    +5
    Why only wings? Teeth, paws, claws and even a tail! Everything was cloned and processed from Soviet, later Russian!
  4. quolta
    quolta 9 July 2016 06: 36
    +3
    in 1993, they bought Su27 for more than 20 pieces somewhere. They studied in Krasnodar, but I agree with Su35 that they don’t have something like that. I haven’t heard of a Chinese aircraft engine with a controlled thrust vector.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 9 July 2016 15: 13
      +1
      You will hear soon ... thanks to our "consummate" capitalists and businessmen who sell everything and everything where it shouldn't be.
  5. Sergey333
    Sergey333 9 July 2016 06: 38
    +4
    It is simply amazing how illiterate people have come. This article was written by a Chinese man who has little knowledge of the rules of the Russian language? I would advise the author of this manuscript not to be dishonored, but to learn the section of the cases of the Russian language.
    1. Delink
      Delink 9 July 2016 08: 29
      -2
      Do you know fluent Chinese?
      So do not be clever about the case.
      The man first wrote one thing, then paraphrased and missed the wording. It happens to everyone. This is clearly seen with a fresh eye from all errors.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 9 July 2016 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: Delink
        Do you know fluent Chinese?
        So do not be clever about the case.
        The man first wrote one thing, then paraphrased and missed the wording. It happens to everyone. This is clearly seen with a fresh eye from all errors.


        For this there is an editor, and a check before publication. There is a difference between the chat where there is no possibility of correction, and the article. Although in the Word, you can spell check? First of all, it is disrespect of readers.
      2. Sergey333
        Sergey333 9 July 2016 12: 08
        0
        Immediately in almost all the lines? The text in the morning was like an automatic translation from another language, not processed by a person in any way. One gets the impression that these pseudo-authors are paid for each article on each site and they do not care what is written there, if only it would open up more to the people.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 9 July 2016 12: 48
          +1
          Quote: Sergey333
          Immediately in almost all the lines? The text in the morning was like an automatic translation from another language, not processed by a person in any way. One gets the impression that these pseudo-authors are paid for each article on each site and they do not care what is written there, if only it would open up more to the people.

          That's what it means to not read the comments to the end - after the first comment, I re-read the article again - I didn’t seem to find such obvious errors - but they edited it. :)))
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 July 2016 15: 38
      +5
      Quote: Sergey333
      This article was written by a Chinese man who knows little of the rules of the Russian language?

      - inspired by:

      Effective chalk that destroy worms. Content: This medicine is effective when destroy cockroaches, bugs, flies, lice etc. when you use this chalk, you can not harm humans and livestock. Method of use: spend with it chalk in the place in which the cockroaches often move, after this medicine is hurt, the worms immediately graze

      - I saw this miracle myself. The wife of half a day was lying on the basement after reading this instruction laughing
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 9 July 2016 16: 17
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        it swept in a place where cockroaches move often, then this medicine comes around, the worms immediately graze


        By the way, the Chinese crayons are the most nuclear, I don’t know the composition, but everyone is dying. And the worse the packaging, the better the result laughing
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 July 2016 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: Choi
          By the way, the Chinese crayons are the most nuclear, I don’t know the composition, but everyone is dying. And the worse the packaging, the better the result

          - I have not used it for a long time, but I saw it in the beginning of the 90s. He, yes, worked for 5+
          - the cat, by the way, survived. So "you cannot harm ... cattle" - seems to be true
          - Somewhere in 2000 some kind of cockroaches disappeared sharply. And now they are gone request
          - expressed the idea that this is somehow connected with the development of mobile communications ... ABOUT HOW belay
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 9 July 2016 16: 40
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            that this is somehow related to the development of mobile communications ... ABOUT HOW


            Anything is possible, now there is a fashion for all sorts of ultrasonic repellers of moles, rats, cockroaches. I doubt the effectiveness of such devices, so the old-fashioned crayons. And now it is almost impossible to find weapons of mass destruction for cockroaches, I also saw the last time "effective chalk to destroy worms" in 2004. Today more and more "masha" and "raid" are being sold, which hardly helps.

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            somewhere in the 2000-some kind of cockroaches have abruptly disappeared. And now there are none


            We would be so ...
            1. Usher
              Usher 10 July 2016 06: 01
              0
              I have not seen a cockroach for 15 years. They disappeared very sharply, I live in Buryatia.
              1. Tsoy
                Tsoy 10 July 2016 07: 07
                0
                Quote: Usher
                I have not seen a cockroach for years.


                I am in Irkutsk ... apparently from your home to ours ... laughing
  6. behemot
    behemot 9 July 2016 07: 43
    +1
    they draw insolently everything in a row, and still sell it to foreign markets as their own.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 July 2016 09: 26
      +1
      Quote: behemot
      they draw insolently everything in a row, and still sell it to foreign markets as their own.

      We need to sell weapons, this is one of the revenue items of the state. And patents in the military have long become a convention. For example, our Kalashnikov and RPG-7 are made in the United States.
  7. Delink
    Delink 9 July 2016 08: 26
    +2
    It would be better if there was joint development rather than theft (copying, cloning) of technologies.
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 9 July 2016 10: 10
    +1
    Now comes a new stage in the development of relations with China ...
    Yes, he bought and cloned many types of weapons from us, but not everything is so good in the Chinese army, and their specialists understand this ...
    Now they want to bring the level of military-technical cooperation to the achievement of the Chinese army the heights of organization, coherence and cooperation similar to the Russian troops ... They were very impressed with the joint exercises, as well as the actions of the Russian air forces in Syria ...

    Well and - as a result - as an appendage to various thoughts and insinuations:
    "China invited Russia to create an alliance against NATO

    On July 1, China marked an important date - the 95th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese Communist Party. At a gala meeting dedicated to this event, President Xi Jinping spoke.
    Chairman Xi proposes to the leadership of Russia to take the next step. And move from economic and political alliance to a military-political alliance capable of not only confronting future challenges, but also taking leadership in case of collapse of the existing world order.
    “We are now observing aggressive actions on the part of the United States, both against Russia and China. I believe that Russia and China can create an alliance before which NATO will be powerless and this will put an end to the imperialist desire of the West. ”
    More recently, both the Chinese leadership and the Russian president have stated that our countries do not intend to enter any military blocs, just as they do not intend to be friends against third countries. But, as we see, the situation in the world is changing dramatically, and the question of a timely conclusion of the alliance is quite acute, since the cautious leadership of the PRC takes the initiative.

    Source: http://tehnowar.ru/45496-kitay-predlozhil-rossii-sozdat-soyuz-protiv-nato.html

    Let everyone draw conclusions himself ...
    1. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 9 July 2016 18: 22
      +1
      We will wait for practical conclusions from GDP. A dozen and a half years, wait, wait. Domestically - especially desperate.
  9. Cat
    Cat 9 July 2016 10: 34
    +2
    I dare to suggest that Russia needs to maintain parity in the military-industrial complex, especially in the field of innovative technologies. Then they will be friends with us and buy military equipment.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 July 2016 11: 09
    +4
    Nobody is going to sharpen the claws and fangs of the Chinese dragon. They are allies - so-so, like warriors - manifest themselves in Hong Kong fighters. In real hostilities over the past hundred and a half years they "did not show themselves". Personal communication with the Chinese left me with an ambivalent feeling. It feels like they will be thrown at any moment. Relax and you're done. Knife in the back.
  11. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 9 July 2016 11: 19
    +3
    China continues to expand into Siberia and the Far East. The factories are already moving. Our production is kirdyk, and the green light for China. The "tricky plan" in action. And what if then the Chinese army comes to the rescue to protect these factories and the Chinese who work there? Does anyone even think about it?
    "Two factories - one for the production of mineral fertilizers, the other - for polyethylene will be transferred from China to Russia, said the chief engineer of the Chinese investment company Liaoning Wang Yu He, Zhiwang Tang at the Eastern Oil and Gas Forum, which opened in Vladivostok. According to him, the reason for this decision the oversaturation of the Chinese market with these products has become, TASS reports.
    It is planned to invest 88 billion yuan (about $ 13 billion) in these projects and create XNUMX jobs. An important factor is the use of gas as a raw material. On the Russian side, these projects are part of the policy of the Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East to attract investors from the PRC to the Far East. "
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 9 July 2016 12: 43
      0
      Quote: Coffin Cross1
      "Two factories - one for the production of mineral fertilizers, the other for polyethylene will be transferred from China to Russia,


      Ahem ... They bring harmful production to our territory ... There is no joy from this ...
    2. Usher
      Usher 10 July 2016 06: 02
      +1
      Where? I do not see the plants !!!!
  12. Nonik
    Nonik 9 July 2016 22: 27
    0
    Quote: Choi
    Quote: NoNick
    Russia, USA, UK and France.


    And saab gripen? It has a Volvo engine, I don’t know the effectiveness ...

    get better: complete engine production, including all parts. Saab is not complete.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 10 July 2016 06: 45
      0
      american licensing engine
  13. ALLxANDr
    ALLxANDr 10 July 2016 00: 13
    +1
    I read the article, comments too. Selling and making money is certainly necessary, who argues! But why sell the latest developments? Make it a rule, released a new generation, the previous generation can be safely sold. And not just sell, but sell exactly the export option. It is clear that in order to complete this step, you must first go ahead! Just one generation in advance ... but it seems to me that is exactly what we did in this area. What our rockets, planes, tanks do is ahead of the rest!

    And most importantly, do not scatter technology, as it has become a selling trend for India.
    1. Usher
      Usher 10 July 2016 06: 03
      0
      These are not the latest developments, the latest ones are the S-450 and S-500 PAK-FA, etc. S-400 and Su-35 is yesterday.