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Yielding to the American, the Russian submarine fleet has unique ships.

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Yielding to the American, the Russian submarine fleet has unique ships.The domestic submarine fleet is really significantly inferior to the American. So our experts comment on the relevant statements of the head of the Pentagon, calling Russian and Chinese submarines the main competitors of the underwater fleet USA. However, Russia also has such submarines, an analogue of which the United States failed to create.


In his speech at the largest US-based US submarine base in the city of Groton, in Connecticut, the head of the Pentagon Ashton Carter reported that his department views the Russian submariners as rivals. "We, of course, have competitors in such countries as Russia and China, which, hopefully, will never become aggressors," TASS quoted him as saying.

At the same time, he said that although the superiority of the American naval forces and, in particular, the submarine fleet is not an American “birthright”, his country's submarine superiority over China and Russia will continue in the future.

According to the captain of the first rank, the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Sivkov, under the current state of affairs, Carter is really right. The Russian submarine fleet is inferior to the American quantitatively and qualitatively. “Should we catch up with America? If we are going to solve the problem of protecting our interests on a global scale, then it is probably worth it. And if we are going to sit at the coast of our continent and not to stick out, it is not worth it, ”said Sivkov in the commentary to the newspaper VIEW.

Indeed, according to the Central Naval Portal, on the 2014 year, Russian submariners exceeded their American counterparts only in the number of nuclear submarines with cruise missiles. There are seven of them in Russia, along with those under construction - nine, and the US Navy, according to the list structure, is four (although the number of cruise missiles on board is many times greater). In addition, the Americans in service do not have diesel submarines. In the Russian Navy their 57.

But in this case, rather, it’s worth talking not about Russian superiority, but about different strategies for the development of naval forces. Americans deliberately abandoned diesel submarines. Their construction was curtailed in the late fifties. And now the US Navy rely on nuclear boats, more expensive, but better suited for long autonomous voyages. In terms of the number of nuclear-powered submarines, the US is noticeably superior to Russia: the Americans have their 53, and our Navy has the 16 (under construction - the 19).

If we talk about qualitative comparison, it will also not be in favor of Russia. In Soviet times, the USSR was the leader in the construction of the submarine fleet in the world. So, since 1983, submarines of the 971 “Pike-B” project (in the NATO classification - Akula) were produced. In terms of secrecy, they were approaching American counterparts at that time. At the end of the Cold War, the Americans were able to create a masterpiece of submarine shipbuilding - the fourth-generation Civulf boats. But they were so expensive that the Americans had to give up their mass production.

However, since the nineties in the development of the Russian submarine fleet failure occurred. Throughout this period, our military-industrial complex could only complete the construction of the ships laid down during the Soviet era. At the same time, in the course of a decade only a few nuclear submarines were commissioned - the same number as they were built in a Soviet time. At the same time, the Americans annually commissioned several submarines of the latest modifications. As for combat duty, then, as reported by the American Federation of Scientists (Federation of American scientists, FAS), in 2008, on account of American submarine carriers, there were three times more trips than the Russians. Although, according to the statement of the former Navy Commander Viktor Chirkov, from January 2014 to March 2015, the intensity of Russian submarines entering combat service increased dramatically (by 50% compared to 2013), to say that on this indicator the submariners approached the Soviet level is still not necessary.

All this, of course, does not deprive the Russian submarine fleet of the second in the world. Today, Russian submarine shipbuilding, unlike so many other industrial sectors of the Soviet era, is still at the global level. “The Chinese do not have any submarines capable of competing with the US. We have about a dozen of them, ”said Sivkov.

According to Defense news, China, named by Carter along with Russia as the main competitor of the US submarine fleet, has three nuclear submarines, six strike nuclear submarines and 53 diesel-electric submarines. This is more than any other of the neighbors of the country. However, the Chinese submarine fleet, apparently, will remain the third largest in number and combat capabilities in the world, if, of course, China does not make a qualitative leap in the field of rearmament. This possibility is not excluded, given the close attention that China has been paying lately to the development of its armed forces, and especially the navy.

In addition, recently the territorial disputes of the PRC and its neighbors have sharpened precisely where the use of naval forces is indispensable. It is primarily about the division of the South China Sea. Several neighboring states apply for small uninhabited islands here. Particularly acute is the dispute between China and Vietnam over the Spratly and Paracel Islands.

Meanwhile, the American press calls not to dismiss the possibilities of the Russian submarine fleet in its current state. For example, as noted by the New York Times, "at the moment, Russian submarines and reconnaissance ships operate in close proximity to the extremely important submarine cables that provide Internet connection almost throughout the world."

US intelligence fears that in the event of a conflict with Russia, it could attack these cables, which could negate many of the technological advantages of the United States. American analysts also complain that the Pentagon and NATO have recently paid little attention to anti-submarine operations, which to a large extent enabled Russia to increase its submarine power.

According to open sources, Russia does have at least a few nuclear submarines with exceptional characteristics (primarily in terms of the depth of the dive), which even the United States does not have. There have been reports of the presence of a top-level nuclear submarine in the Main Directorate of Deep-Sea Research of the Russian Navy, capable of operating at a depth of six kilometers for several weeks. This is a unique achievement, and neither the United States nor China has such devices.

Chairman of the All-Russian Movement of Fleet Support, Mikhail Nenashev, in an interview with the VIEW newspaper, expressed the opinion that talks about the complete superiority of the American military fleet over the Russian one are completely untenable.

"Let the Americans show at least one area of ​​the oceans, where we could not resist them or give change," he said. Nenashev recalled the recent launch of the Caliber system missiles from a diesel submarine on ISIS positions in Syria, which demonstrated that such developments are being made in Russia that, as the expert put it, “nullify the entire verbal husk” of the total superiority of the United States and NATO. True, it is worth noting that in the West “Caliber” is often called an analogue of American “Tomahawks”, which have been launched from American and British submarines for several decades.

“In addition, the professionalism of Russian submariners, which has increased over the five to seven years that active training has taken place in the seas and oceans, allows even the number of submarines that we have to solve operational-tactical and strategic tasks. Of course, the fleet needs several dozen new submarines. But even now we do not advise Americans to check its combat readiness in reality, ”said Nenashev.
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  1. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 28 May 2016 05: 25
    +26
    ... allows even the number of submarines that we have to solve both tactical and strategic tasks. Of course, the fleet needs dozens of new submarines. But even now we do not advise the Americans to verify in reality its combat readiness, "
    Gold words. I am joining.
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 May 2016 09: 48
      +12
      Again quoting "the funeral affairs of expert Sivkov." And young men pondering life should always remember the saying: "Don't csy, frog, the swamp is ours"
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 28 May 2016 10: 33
        +10
        Russia has seven, along with those under construction, nine, and the U.S. Navy, according to the payroll, has four (although the number of cruise missiles on board is many times larger).

        But what about Virginia and Los Angeles? They have 12 vertical launchers for tomahawk missiles installed on them, it is also possible to launch tomahawks and / or harpoons through torpedo tubes. In Los Angeles and Virginia, 26 weapons in the torpedo compartment + 4 can be loaded into torpedo tubes. At 3 Sivulfs, 50 weapons each in the torpedo compartment + 8 units in torpedo tubes.
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 28 May 2016 15: 15
          +15
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          In terms of the number of nuclear strike submarines, the United States is noticeably superior to Russia: the Americans have 53, our Navy has 16 (under construction - 19).


          At the end of the 1980x, in the combat system of the USSR Navy there were 83 strategic nuclear submarines of the second generation, 113 multipurpose nuclear submarines and 254 diesel-electric. USSR Navy at the end of the 1980's: 64 atomic and 15 diesel submarines with ballistic missiles, 79 submarines with cruise missiles (including 63 nuclear), 80 multipurpose torpedo nuclear submarines (all data on submarines on 1 January 1989 of the year ) At 1991, the year at the shipbuilding enterprises of the USSR was built: 11 nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles, 18 multipurpose nuclear submarines and seven diesel submarines. As a result, the Soviet fleet of the USSR had a huge quantitative and partly qualitative advantage over the US Navy. The Soviet submarine fleet even exceeded the number of the NATO block fleet. That is 450 (together with diesel engines) of our boats against 360 USA, England, France, etc. put together. By tonnage, we were not inferior to NATO. There were no battleships and aircraft carriers in the USSR; in the number of missile cruisers the USSR was in the lead. The NATO fleet used the offensive doctrine, our defensive. According to the NATO classification, corvette class ships in our country exceeded the number of opponents. And lastly, according to US statistics, the Soviet Navy was equal in total power of the NATO Navy.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 29 May 2016 00: 22
            +5
            USSR Navy ...
        2. arnar114
          arnar114 1 May 2017 00: 26
          0
          I agree with you. Another scribbler, using the method of percent and distorting the facts, is trying to tell the people - "everything is fine marquise." The boats have been under repair for decades (Irkutsk since 2001, Sperm Whale since 2003, etc.) and in bases without going to sea. With the modern capabilities of precision weapons, these are only large stationary targets. Unfortunately...
      2. bastard
        bastard 28 May 2016 18: 20
        0
        Quote: jjj
        Again quoting "the funeral affairs of expert Sivkov." And young men pondering life should always remember the saying: "Don't csy, frog, the swamp is ours"

        Soon, you see, the ANALYTICS of the clown Pyakin will begin to publish.
        Here will be a rzhachka! fellow
        Be sure to watch! How he broadcasts - words (and even more so with text) cannot be conveyed.
      3. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 29 May 2016 00: 28
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        Again quoting "the funeral affairs of expert Sivkov." And young men pondering life should always remember the saying: "Don't csy, frog, the swamp is ours"

        How many boats under Yeltsin were put into needles, and practically new, but not finished! Now, of course, it is difficult to produce them in such quantities as under the Union, although the performance characteristics of the latest products are excellent.
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 May 2016 14: 40
        +1
        Let the Americans show at least one area of ​​the oceans where we could not resist or give back, ”he said. Nenashev

        Nenashev urry-patriot dreamer. Before you evaluate something, you need to look at the numbers. Otherwise, this is akin to the statements of xoxlopresses about Russian Almaty in the DPR. We have not even grown to the level of the USSR Navy. There are no Aircraft Carriers when the Americans have 11 of them. How is the fool going to control the ocean zone? In the course of only the language. Such experts must be driven into the neck.
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 May 2016 14: 43
        +1
        True, it is worth noting that in the West, "Caliber" is often called the analogue of the American "Tomahawks", which have been launched from American and British submarines for several decades.

        ALL missiles are analogs of each other. The difference is in the nuances! "Caliber" is better than "Tomahawk", you just need to look at the performance characteristics and the results of its use in Syria.
  2. horoh
    horoh 28 May 2016 06: 04
    +1
    If our submarine fleet is inferior to the American one, then this is only in quantity, but not in quality !!! Do not climb to us, it will end badly for the enemy.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 28 May 2016 10: 06
      +14
      Quote: horoh
      If our submarine fleet is inferior to the American one, then this is only in quantity, but not in quality !!!

      Well, those hello sailed ..... but what about si wulf ?? it is in number and quality superior to our Severodvinsk .... the boat is really excellent, well, and space travel ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 May 2016 14: 49
        0
        Quote: gispanec
        Quote: horoh
        If our submarine fleet is inferior to the American one, then this is only in quantity, but not in quality !!!

        Well, those hello sailed ..... but what about si wulf ?? it is in number and quality superior to our Severodvinsk .... the boat is really excellent, well, and space travel ...

        Why go far. Take "Virginia" of the latest modifications - it carries more missiles than its Russian classmates request We need to quickly eliminate such shortcomings and lags.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 28 May 2016 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: horoh
      Do not climb to us, it will end badly for the enemy.

      Chatterbox and cheer patriot! What can you say in normal language, without slogans? Minus I set negative request
  3. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 28 May 2016 06: 07
    +17
    Yes, there are many problems, but I hope that they will be successfully resolved! In the meantime, we are building a very long time. The fleet is aging faster.

    Now a bunch of minusculeers attack and patriots.
  4. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 28 May 2016 06: 19
    +6
    However, since the nineties in the development of the Russian submarine fleet, failure has occurred. Throughout this period, our military-industrial complex could only actually complete the ships laid down during the Soviet era.

    It is clear that a lot of time was lost due to these problems. In addition, the problem with the concept and new missiles delayed the introduction of new submarines.
    Now it seems that it has begun to normalize, but Borey and Ash are still boats armed with missile weapons. The first ballistic, the second anti-ship missiles and went to replace the Dolphins and Antaeus. But what about replacing project 971? Just like a submarine, a submarine hunter and a smaller one. I do not understand everything at once, but it’s still interesting what will be rolled out.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 28 May 2016 12: 06
      +3
      Quote: kugelblitz
      Just like a submarine, a submarine hunter and a smaller one. I do not understand everything at once, but it’s still interesting what will be rolled out.

      Ash is going to replace Antey and Pike-B, otherwise why are there 10 torpedo tubes?
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 28 May 2016 14: 02
        +2
        Rumors went at one time, they say some kind of boat should be similar in concept to pr. 705 Lear. But these are rumors of course.
        As I understand the Husky project.

        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 29 May 2016 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: kugelblitz
          Rumors went at one time, they say some kind of boat should be similar in concept to pr. 705 Lear. But these are rumors of course.
          As I understand the Husky project.


          Well "Lyra" is cool! But also expensive. And here it is cheap and will not work. A good boat cannot be cheap.
  5. demiurg
    demiurg 28 May 2016 06: 24
    +4
    Now we have a good submarine fleet. There are few active ships, yes. But the submarines themselves are very good. In the surface fleet, everything is much more problematic.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 28 May 2016 07: 11
      +7
      Quote: demiurg
      Now we have a good submarine fleet. There are few active ships, yes ...

      Reminded: "And my spelling is lame. It's good ... But for some reason it is lame." hi
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 28 May 2016 08: 16
        +2
        In general, however, it should be recognized the continued superiority of American boats in low noise and ASE, even in torpedo guidance systems and traditionally in electronics. They say that transistor technology, a relic of the sixties, is still used in some places on our submarines. And the Americans have complete computerization.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 28 May 2016 12: 39
          +5
          Quote: Basarev
          In general, however, it should be recognized the continued superiority of American boats in low noise and ASE, even in torpedo guidance systems and traditionally in electronics. They say that transistor technology, a relic of the sixties, is still used in some places on our submarines. And the Americans have complete computerization.

          On average, in the hospital - we have both new and old boats, the old ones are inferior, the new ones are not, there are pros and cons.
          The main thing is that the new ones, the ones that are designed, are better in terms of characteristics, and not "mobvariant".
          I don’t want to tear off the covers, but transistors from technology have not gone anywhere - believe me - they are almost everywhere. wink
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 28 May 2016 17: 11
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            the old are inferior, the new are not, there are pros and cons.
            The main thing is that the new ones, the ones that are designed, are better in terms of characteristics, and not "mobvariant"

            Only now there are not so many new ones (I mean nuclear), we urgently need to do something in Severodvinsk since 1993, the second submarine has been under construction since 2009 ...
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 May 2016 19: 57
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          They say that transistor technology, a relic of the sixties, is still used in some places on our submarines. And the Americans have complete computerization.

          Okay, so be it smile But is the American "computerization" not built on transistors? Maybe they came up with some other miracle elements or returned to lamps? lol
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 28 May 2016 21: 36
            -1
            Yes, everyone knows about the processor, an element of the fifth generation. Transistors - only the second. Ever since school lessons in intics, the circuit has been familiar: lamp-transistor-integrated circuit-large integrated circuit-processor.
            1. region58
              region58 28 May 2016 22: 52
              +5
              Quote: Basarev
              From the school lessons of intics, the chain is familiar


              It looks like your computer science was led by a physical instructor. My condolences... yes
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 May 2016 06: 36
              +4
              Quote: Basarev
              Yes, everyone knows about the processor, an element of the fifth generation. Transistors - only the second

              In fact, the microcircuit combines some kind of electronic circuit, where all the elements (transistors, diodes, resistors, capacitors) and the electrical connections between them are structurally made on the same chip. Since the dimensions of the individual components are very small (micro- and nanometers), then on a single chip with the modern development of technologies, more than a million electronic components can be placed.
              This is what they did not have time to tell you at school. smile hi
          2. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 29 May 2016 07: 35
            +3
            You know, lamps are still used in a number of areas. No noise, wide temperature range. In addition, such a parameter as reliability, resistance to external influences. To solve navigation problems, calculate the elements of target movement, and a number of others, a supercomputer is absolutely not needed at the current time, a reliable technique is needed. We once counted these things on programmable calculators and wrote programs in BASIC on Spectrum, and everything was quite accurate. It is clear that the smaller the element base, the lower the power consumption, the smaller the mass of power supplies, etc., but reliability comes first. Oftentimes, boats use double or triple redundancy to accomplish these tasks.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 May 2016 09: 33
              +2
              Quote: Andrey NM
              . In addition, such a parameter as reliability, resistance to external influences.

              The lamp changes its characteristics over time, the design is quite fragile and the resistance to external influences is not very high (compared to semiconductors), and the resource is also not comparable. But according to some properties, it is ahead. Audiophiles will confirm this to you. smile
              1. region58
                region58 29 May 2016 13: 11
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                Audiophiles will confirm this to you.

                From them you can hear a lot about "warm tube sound with heating of acoustic wires with pink noise".
                And at the same time:
                The United States Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) believes electronic tubes have not yet reached their full potential. Moreover, they have unique advantages over silicon transistors.

                they are much more resistant to such damaging factors as an electromagnetic pulse. Not surprisingly, the US Army now uses more than 200 devices on radio tubes in critical communications devices and radars. Such devices are in the Russian army. Probably even in large quantities.

                https://geektimes.ru/post/260420/
        3. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 28 May 2016 22: 23
          0
          transistor technology, relic of the sixties
          Analog automation works at the speed of light.
        4. opus
          opus 29 May 2016 02: 19
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          . They say that transistor technology, a relic of the sixties, is still used in some places on our submarines. And the Americans have complete computerization.

          They lie!
          according to TopWar:
          The Pentagon will upgrade the control system of the "nuclear shield"

          SACCS-Strategic Automated Command Control System (even she!) Runs on the antediluvian IBM Series / 1 ...



          Threat. WHY THAT IT IS SHOWN IN THE ARTICLE ONE ONE ENTRANCE TERMINAL (secrets) 4979

          but not the point. What about computerized submarines ?.
          There 1100% are 601 machines

          -------------------------------------------------- ----------------
          True SACCS in 1990 year system has been completely replaced by USSTRATCOM Command and Control, etc., and in 2012 USSTRATCOM was replaced by ISPAN and "facelift" USSTRATCOM. At the moment the old lady SACCS is reserved as the 4th spare ...
          Well, it doesn’t matter ... the main thing is BELIEVE!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 29 May 2016 08: 58
            +1
            Well, the Americans at least recognize the problem and solve it, and we still have this ancient shit even in the most promising models, and no progress is expected in this regard.
        5. tso1973
          tso1973 30 May 2016 08: 03
          +1
          and computers are not transistor, well, I'll tell you a secret, all the electronics in this world are assembled on transistors, nothing fundamentally new has been invented, and even the most modern processors include the same transistors.
  6. Waltasar
    Waltasar 28 May 2016 07: 53
    +7
    The fact that the title of the article about the Russian submarine fleet of the Virginia nuclear submarine is depicted, is it so conceived?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 28 May 2016 19: 59
      +3
      Quote: Waltasar
      The fact that the title of the article about the Russian submarine fleet of the Virginia nuclear submarine is depicted, is it so conceived?

      And these are the "experts" who write articles smile
  7. kepmor
    kepmor 28 May 2016 08: 04
    +34
    The article is so-so ... in fact, about nothing - they say we have everything, we are few, but we are in vests! Again, one "shapkozakidatelstvo"! It's silly, what else to say ...
    Particularly pleased with the "expert" - Nenashev, no matter how he - the former deputy political officer of the minesweeper, who fled from the fleet in August 1991 to the "barricades" to the wrestler-drunk - to the subtleties not know about the service of submariners, their problems!
    His main activity, as it was and remained - to push slogans and cliches from the high rostrum! That was an ardent supporter of EBN - even defended the White House, and now a prominent United Russia party is a "patriot" of the Russian state!
    I think if the author had invited the submarine commander or the submarine division commander as an expert, the tone of the article would have changed dramatically - the true military, and not "courtiers", would never say such pretentious nonsense - their servants would simply "zastebut" later!
    To be afraid of the enemy is shameful, but to neglect is criminal!
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 29 May 2016 11: 33
      +9
      Quote: kepmor
      Particularly pleased with the "expert" - Nenashev, no matter how he - the former deputy political officer of the minesweeper, who fled from the fleet in August 1991 to the "barricades" to the wrestler-drunk - to the subtleties not know about the service of submariners, their problems!

      And in our country every political officer is an expert on all issues. Gundarov, Baranets, Cherkashin ... With all due respect to the latter, who went to military service, but calls the remote control a "personal breathing device" ... Does anyone remember who and how they passed tests on the ship's structure? I’m not even talking about handing over to a ship duty officer or officer of the watch. I don’t remember a single political officer who could take on the fight for survivability, not to mention the use of weapons, maneuvering. I knew only one deputy, who rightfully wore a "boat" on his chest. For that, they chaired all housing and household commissions on the distribution of housing and all kinds of earthly goods. Try to find where they served, what positions. They seem to be ashamed of it.
      The same applies to a number of "experts", such as Shirokorad, Baryatinsky ... They were born and immediately became experts. And in all directions. No education, no track record ...

      I always respected flying political commissars, political commissars, who did not hesitate to be "in the fields" with the soldiers, but when that is ...
      1. kote119
        kote119 29 May 2016 12: 01
        +1
        I agree with you, they are all agents of REN TV laughing
      2. Simple
        Simple 29 May 2016 12: 14
        +1
        +
        They laughed for a long time throughout the village.
        Thank you.
        You forgot to mention Korotchenko
  8. lotar
    lotar 28 May 2016 08: 54
    +5
    As early as the twentieth century, the Yankees deployed a monitoring and surveillance system over almost the entire sea and ocean area, which seriously complicates the life of our submariners. Of course, we found ways to get around, but what forces only our submariners know how to do it. We wish them good luck !!!
  9. Idiot
    Idiot 28 May 2016 08: 56
    +1
    Read Pokrovsky's "Shoot" and you will no longer have any questions about the professional and psychological superiority of our sailors over all the others.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 28 May 2016 12: 19
      +3
      Well, are the Shtatovs not pros in their field?
      Analysis of accidents among ours and their nuclear submarines, over the past 30 years, is just talking about their high organization of service on boats and good maritime and professional training!
      In the professional plan, our submariners are no less prepared, but indiscipline and sometimes outright "indifference" plus an insufficient level of organization of the service in no way "paint" our submarine forces. And as a result, the accident rate is several times higher than that of the Americans! It is especially sad when you see the quantitative ratio in the nuclear submarine between the Russian Federation and the United States!
      I treat Pokrovsky with respect - after all, there are 12 "combat" ones behind him, but he doesn't write the whole truth - the censors won't let him through.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 28 May 2016 20: 10
        +1
        The accident indicates the professionalism of the command. To push submarines into the sea with a mass of unresolved problems? Here is the accident rate. Sloppiness and there is enough. The episode with the transportation of BB from ICBMs with nuclear filling comes to mind. When the officers came along the road to drink beer with fatigue. But there is something that it’s hard to spoil sloppiness, I'm talking about routine maintenance.
    2. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 28 May 2016 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: pft, fkb
      Read Pokrovsky's "Shoot" and you will no longer have any questions about the professional and psychological superiority of our sailors over all the others.

      X ... I hate it, but it’s not enough brains to understand that books like this one (he has a series of books like this one) are written and published only for making money dough quickly, some jokes and jokes are collected there, nothing serious is there.
      Although I respect Pokrovsky himself, there is even this very book, `` Shoot '' with his autograph.
    3. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 30 May 2016 04: 13
      +2
      In his stories, Pokrovsky brings everything to a grotex, perverted state, when you read, unpleasant sensations arise, especially when he himself served there. And only when the story touches him, everything is more or less even. Pokrovsky himself was the nachkhim on the boat, he served in Gadzhievo. Here are the sensations when you left the crew, when you do not jump on alarms, when you don’t understand that you have a day off, especially on Saturday, you can take a bus, tram and get to any point, and do not drive from Olenya to Hajiyevka on foot because they announced the signal "road", the descriptions are accurate.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 30 May 2016 09: 06
        +2
        Described for sure.

        Read "described exactly" :) I beg your pardon for the clumsy hands.
  10. Samy
    Samy 28 May 2016 09: 59
    +11
    Something I did not grasp our advantages: in terms of noise, the Americans are ahead (more precisely, in terms of noiselessness), in terms of detection range, too, in terms of the mass of a salvo - "several times", in terms of numbers - the same. According to submariners' testimony, one or two enemy boats immediately after our boats left the base landed on the tail and controlled almost the entire voyage, the Orions clearly defined the position of our nuclear-powered ships “using new physical principles”. So where are our advantages, educate who can.
  11. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 28 May 2016 10: 28
    -2
    All comments are essentially "ours do not dance"! But we "dance tango" better, more diligently! Especially "Kamchadals" and "Pavlovskie" (Pacific) - they have a special respect and respect!
    1. kote119
      kote119 28 May 2016 14: 07
      +5
      в
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Especially the "Kamchadals" and "Pavlovskie" (Pacific) - they have a special respect and respect!

      and in Pavlovsk from the end of 90 there’s no running gear, so to whom is there respect?
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 28 May 2016 19: 49
        +4
        Exactly, Pavlovsky Bay is now a `` dead '' bay (since the mid-90s).
  12. Verdun
    Verdun 28 May 2016 11: 13
    +6
    There were reports of the presence of a top-secret nuclear submarine capable of operating for six weeks at a depth of six kilometers in the Main Directorate for Deep-Water Research of the Russian Navy.
    They also say that chickens are milked. To write articles about submarines, having no idea about their real capabilities, is at least presumptuous. Depths of 2 km and more are the lot of deep-sea vehicles, but not of submarines. And then, what kind of military operations can be performed at a depth of 6 km? Even in the event that some types of Russian submarines are superior to American constructively, then by no means many times. And the presence of several ships, albeit unique in their individual characteristics, does not make such a fleet invincible. Russia needs a balanced fleet. And in order to withstand the US Navy, the number of ships must be at least comparable.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 May 2016 12: 42
      +5
      Quote: Verdun
      And in order to withstand the US Navy, the number of ships must be at least comparable.

      In order for the number of ships to be comparable, you must first make the budget comparable
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 28 May 2016 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: Winnie76
        to start, make the budget comparable

        And who argues with such obvious statements? But given that the difference in the budgets of Russia and the United States is almost tenfold, it is all the more naive to talk about the possibility of victory with a small amount, albeit a more advanced weapon.
    2. Flinky
      Flinky 28 May 2016 22: 55
      0
      Quote: Verdun
      in order to withstand the US Navy, the number of ships must be at least comparable.

      Sorry for the dullness, and why the hell do we need a comparable amount? laughing Win not by number, but by skill.
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 28 May 2016 12: 09
    -1
    Well done Nenashev, was able to cheer up the combat effectiveness of our submarines. But in general, we need to increase the quantitative composition of the submarine fleet, and indeed the whole fleet, to make it balanced for both marine and oceanic areas
  14. Starik72
    Starik72 28 May 2016 13: 34
    +1
    I am not a submarine expert. But I will write this (although I can get a bunch of minuses for this), it is not technology that is fighting, but PEOPLE are fighting. And our Soviet soldiers are Russian soldiers, the best in the world. And in this no one will convince me. Examples of heroism of Russian soldiers and professionalism in history a lot of. And in the development of technology, the time is important, which is not enough for us, given the pit into which we were thrown in the 90s. And yet, remember the Russian proverb: a Russian man will make a bullet out of Go, and let the rest try to do it.
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 28 May 2016 22: 30
      +2
      it’s not technology that is fighting, but PEOPLE fighting.
      Technology also solves a lot and a lot. If the enemy can be the first to see you on the radar and destroy from afar, then show heroism simply will not succeed .. And yes, a bullet from go does not pierce a bulletproof vest.
  15. Yak28
    Yak28 28 May 2016 15: 16
    +1
    In Soviet times, the USSR was the leader in the construction of a submarine fleet in the world. And then our politicians destroyed the USSR, put these boats to scrap and now, in the number of ships, their diversity, Russia is more than 50 years behind the United States, that is, if the United States does not build floating means 50 years, and we will, we still can not catch up with them.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 28 May 2016 15: 52
      +5
      Dear, if only the problem was this, the problems are deeper (according to the topic), this is the lack of electronics, new technologies for materials, endless construction periods, etc., so it turns out that there is only enough power to protect the coast
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 28 May 2016 21: 11
        -1
        New technologies and electronics must be stolen like the Chinese from other countries, since we cannot create our own, we must copy successful American technologies, and not create a wheel from scratch
  16. Starik72
    Starik72 28 May 2016 17: 28
    -2
    Quote: Starik72
    I am not a submarine expert. But I will write this (although I can get a bunch of minuses for this), it is not technology that is fighting, but PEOPLE are fighting. And our Soviet soldiers are Russian soldiers, the best in the world. And in this no one will convince me. Examples of heroism of Russian soldiers and professionalism in history a lot of. And in the development of technology, the time is important, which is not enough for us, given the pit into which we were thrown in the 90s. And yet, remember the Russian proverb: a Russian man will make a bullet out of Go, and let the rest try to do it.

    I’m watching some kind of Lis-minus set me up, I would like to ask him for what ???
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 28 May 2016 20: 02
      +7
      How seriously you all take the pros and cons. Well, earn a few minuses that life will stop after that? Nothing changes, I look - in the top there are still slogans about nothing for the sake of pluses. As the saying goes, `` whatever the child is amused with ... ''
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 28 May 2016 22: 31
      +2
      I’m watching some kind of Lis-minus set me
      I am not a liberal. I'm realist.
  17. Armat
    Armat 28 May 2016 17: 38
    +6
    There is an unofficial world ranking strategic heavy missile submarines (TRPK)

    TRPK type takes first place Ohio USA.

    But followed by Russian TRPK 667BDRM "Dolphin", 941 "Shark" "and TRPK 955" Borey "

    Russian TRPKs, unlike American ones, can work equally well not only in warm seas, but also in cold ones, more precisely, "ice" ones. The total number of ballistic missiles of the Russian missile submarine fleet even exceeds the American submarine potential. And, the so-called "noise effect" is much lower than that of the Americans. Russia has resumed its underwater presence in the North Atlantic, which effectively replaces expensive military bases. This simultaneously solves two tactical tasks: the threat of retaliation from the United States and Western Europe, if the Pentagon plans another scam. Russians can rightfully be proud of the calm and prudent work of their political leadership. Patriotism is respect for one's Motherland, which is temporarily experiencing some difficulties. We are now at a turning point in the historical moment of another attempt by American imperialism to finally take over the world. Russia fearlessly accepted the challenge of the American hawks, and I am sure that Russia will honor not only its national interests, but also the positive concept of a multi-polar world.
  18. cedar
    cedar 28 May 2016 19: 25
    +10
    31rus2
    Dear, if only the problem was this, the problems are deeper (according to the topic), this is the lack of electronics, new technologies for materials, endless construction periods, etc., and it turns out that there is only enough power to protect the coast

    The problem is where, how serious and deeper!
    Dear, we cannot print money, as they were printed in the Soviet Union for the needs of the national economy and defense of the country, we are forbidden! Therefore, there is NO money for the domestic buyer and manufacturer, even dummies, even submarines! Only after receiving a dollar calculation for export products, our exporter can spend his ruble clone on dummies and nuclear submarines. That is, the defense industry to build modern weapons systems for domestic consumption, i.e. for the Army and Navy, must first sell them for export! And the state, in order to maintain the Army and Navy for protection against the aggressor, must sell this state aggressor its state property in order to receive money from it for the maintenance of the Army and Navy ... ??? !!! It's hard to believe, but ... it's easy to verify. Re-read the article on the state of the submarine fleet here, at the adversary and in the Soviet Union, and draw your conclusions!
    “... Normal foreign trade is conducted from excess, from surplus. At first, the system should satisfy its internal needs, and only when they are satisfied should the surplus be exported. Globalism imposes, in particular, Russia, a completely different scheme. Exporting in it and earning currency (US dollars) becomes not an additional, but the main and only way to reward workers with money for labor. We say that such a market is “servile” - that is, it is slavish, serf. He does not live for himself, but in order to satisfy the needs of the metropolis. And the famous "undernourished, but exported!" - coming from here. It turns out that only those who print dollars - in the full sense of the word, live and decide something. And we - with them - do not decide anything. And we live only insofar as they need something for something. Do you understand? Not to yourself, but to them, strangers uncles ... "
    “... What kind of oddity is this: Russia has sold oil to the west, it has money; Russia did not sell oil to the west - it does not have money ... Why the volume of Russian consumption is dictated not by the country's production capabilities, not its potential, but by the western consumer of its exports. And if at all he stops buying exported goods of the Russian Federation - what, lie down and die for everyone, or what? With such arable land, with such industrial capacities - to lie and die, due to the lack of smelly conditional pieces of paper in circulation ?! Well, let's do it as science fiction writers, imagine purely fantastic: as a result, God knows what cataclysm the whole world disappeared, only Russia, 1/6 of the land, with all its lands, rivers, forests, fields and bowels remained ... So what? Lie down and die everyone, because neither a foreign investor, nor a foreign product can take anywhere else? Why, Robinson didn’t die on a small island - and you lie down alive in a coffin, having 1/6 of the land and 40% of all the natural resources of the planet !!! ... "
    http://economicsandwe.com/00FCB1C7477C530D/
    See the root!
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 28 May 2016 20: 34
      +7
      Everything to the point, always surprised (did not even surprise, but amazed with its ... post), when our `` economists '' and `` politicians '' from the TV screens always broadcast to us all these years: that a sponsor will come from behind a hillock with investments and we will be happy, it will build everything for us, feed us, fill the state treasury. And what, our `` economists '' were so stupid (I am glad that there is no longer such an adviser to the president as Dvorkovich) that they themselves were not able to do all this with us, well, or at least they would have tried, otherwise these bar ... ana did not even try, they could only uselessly and stupidly to ... play budget money.
      1. Come on
        Come on 29 May 2016 03: 56
        -1
        Come on, again all sorts of dvorkovichs are to blame, as if they decide a lot. It is all other people who decide, the state executive simply transfers the arrows to the dvorkovichs. As long as the country is ruled manually with the help of "straight lines", nothing will change.
    2. 31rus2
      31rus2 29 May 2016 21: 58
      0
      Dear, I agree with you, but this is far from everything and you yourself know, but we are not talking about submarines, we’re currently unable to catch up with the United States, but to create a submarine fleet that is guaranteed to destroy both the United States and NATO
  19. Yak28
    Yak28 28 May 2016 21: 24
    +1
    Quote: cedar
    What kind of oddity is this: Russia has sold oil to the west, it has money; Russia did not sell oil to the west - it has no money ...

    And because, thanks to our government and foreign advisers, 90% of factories were destroyed, driving Russia completely dependent on the supply of goods from abroad, while in the USSR civilian and military aircraft, shuttlecocks, clothes, televisions, tape recorders, and telephones produced everything games
    ears and not even afraid of the word cowards wink And now China is our mother and mother to us, it makes all the consumer goods for us. We sell wood abroad, and from there we buy furniture and boards in three ways. I hope the country is not forever
  20. Flinky
    Flinky 28 May 2016 22: 53
    +2
    it is worth noting that in the West, "Caliber" is often called the analogue of the American "Tomahawks", which have been launched from American and British submarines for several decades.

    It is worth noting that in the West there are a lot of jokes about things that are sort of sort of like a pig in oranges.
  21. Avega
    Avega 29 May 2016 01: 08
    0
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: horoh
    Do not climb to us, it will end badly for the enemy.

    Chatterbox and cheer patriot! What can you say in normal language, without slogans? Minus I set negative request

    ))) Maybe I'm wrong))) But you are wrong))) Russian submarines still go to autonomous mode, and more stably than before, and if anything, they can show adversaries who have a longer writing))) You can say as much as you like that we concede, but believe me, if you need to even out the floor of the world evenly and accurately))) Our submarine fleet is MOSE !!! Which even Americans respect.
  22. gregor6549
    gregor6549 29 May 2016 04: 48
    0
    Wars are won not by those who have something unique but in limited numbers, but those who have a sufficient number of weapons and military equipment, albeit not unique but that provide an acceptable ratio of efficiency / cost and the ability to replenish these weapons and equipment in wartime.
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 May 2016 07: 21
    0
    I read, well, everything is wrong with us, and we don’t get the quantity, and the quality is behind ..., says the author of the article. Let it be so, not yet evening.
    And "Land" Alexander Suvorov said golden words: "They win not by numbers, but by skill!"
  24. Stas57
    Stas57 30 May 2016 10: 48
    0
    Well, that’s it all said, and remembering the recent showdown on the topvar, regarding the actual death of minesweepers and mine work in general, I don’t know what the fate of these uniqueness is
  25. Ustinov 055 055
    Ustinov 055 055 30 May 2016 11: 37
    0
    Quote: demiurg
    Now we have a good submarine fleet. There are few active ships, yes. But the submarines themselves are very good. In the surface fleet, everything is much more problematic.

    Fortunately, the military-industrial complex pleases our submarines much more than us submarines. Oh, how to see once again two eagles together and not at the wall, but at the exercises.
  26. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 30 May 2016 20: 45
    0
    The difference between the Russian fleet and the US fleet is that it is built on its own blood.
    America is collecting bad money from all over the world, depriving it of this advantage and see how it will contain its armada. Moreover, the States are the largest debtor in the world.
  27. Sever086
    Sever086 2 June 2016 15: 37
    0
    [/ quote] Russians can rightfully be proud of the calm and prudent work of their political leadership. Patriotism is respect for one’s homeland, which temporarily experiences some difficulties. We are now at a turning point in the history of the next attempt of American imperialism to finally take over the world. Russia fearlessly accepted the challenge of American hawks and I am sure that Russia honorably defends not only its national interests, but also the positive concept of a lot of the polar world. [/ Quote]

    hi
  28. jonht
    jonht 2 November 2016 05: 58
    0
    They find and make noise on the account, as the Kamchatka submariners said ... They don’t hear everything, and went to security zones, and were placed in the ranks of an aircraft carrier war .... The truth is that they don’t speak now .... But still in the middle or at the end of the eighties, a telemetry tracking system was adopted for wake traces .... As they say, swirling water is in an active state for a long time, and this is an opportunity to follow the enemy without echolocation without revealing itself. No wonder the fascists made a lot of dough for the disposal of our boats.
  29. Dok.
    Dok. 2 November 2016 06: 06
    0
    The main thing is that they finished for their health: "Wow, we'll show them all ... If that ... But it's better not."