Refusal of Kalashnikov assault rifles - stupid speculation, said Minister of Defense

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Recently, the press has been actively discussing the termination of purchases of AK-74 for the armed forces of the Russian Federation. There were even suggestions about the possible removal of the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle from the armament of the army. However, in an interview made for Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov called all these conversations “stupid” and explained that the rejection of large contracts for the purchase of a Kalashnikov assault rifle does not mean that it will not be used in the future.

He also noted the fact that at the moment we need fundamentally new design solutions for small arms arms. New automata will be purchased only after analyzing and comparing new models with Kalashnikov submachine guns already in service. According to one of the models being developed, which the media called the “one-armed machine gun”, the General Staff already suspected that it would retain all the existing shortcomings of the Kalashnikov machine gun.

The first reports that the Ministry of Defense stops purchasing Kalashnikov assault rifles appeared in late September. They were confirmed by the Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov, who explained that this decision was made due to the fact that a large number of AK-74 had accumulated in the warehouses. He mentioned that several armies can be equipped with available automatic weapons at the moment, so there is no point in buying new lots. First you need to deal with those that already exist.

According to RIA "News", Plans to equip the army with new-generation machine guns However, at the moment it is not clear which model will come to replace the AK-74. At the Izhmash plant, before the competition for the development of the AK replacement announced by the Ministry of Defense, the development of a new model began, with the working title AK-12.

One of the main advantages of AK-12, according to the designers, will be the ability to perform all the necessary actions for shooting with one hand. However, in the military departments there were concerns about the accuracy of the new model. According to one of the high-ranking representatives of the General Staff, the drawings that they were shown do not contain any fundamental differences from the models of the old sample. The same venting tube will be used, the piston will remain unchanged - all this means that the return will remain unchanged in the new model and the machine gun will start to “drive” on the sides after the first shot fired.

At the moment, AK-12 has not been shown anywhere. There is only a message from the chief designer of the automaton Vladimir Zlobin, in which he mentions the preservation of the brand, recognizable type - the same curved horn, gas outlet and piston remain. However, in general, the model will receive a new format and more ammunition, it will increase to 60 cartridges. He noted that the reliability and reliability of the new model will remain at the same level as before. And despite the fact that the vapor mechanism will remain, in general, automation will work much softer.

Representatives of the Russian defense industry have reported many new products among the weapons being developed, which are not only not inferior to foreign analogues, but sometimes even surpass them. The Independent Military Review published information about some of them. The most interesting is the ADS machine with a caliber of 12.7 mm, which allows shooting both on land and under water. Information about the new ASH-12 12.7 mm caliber with a subsonic bullet was also announced. However, the adoption of these new products is hampered by the fact that at the moment all the warehouses are packed with Kalashnikovs.

Manufacturers have mentioned that now the Ministry of Defense is buying new items in single copies. The general designer of the state unitary enterprise “KBP” Viktor Zelenko in an interview for “Moskovsky Komsomolets” said that the new ADS was tested and accepted for service four years ago, but it is being purchased in meager quantities, two pieces a year.

The designer said that at the moment new weapons are being purchased only by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Security Service, and they are also being exported to Algeria, Syria, the Emirates, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Canada and other countries. The quality of the weapon suits everyone, and orders are being repeated, but in Russia there is simply no money for it, Zelenko said.

He also called talk that purchases of new weapons are hampered by warehouses piled up with old “Kalashnikovs”, “utter nonsense”. According to him, if you follow this logic, then the Mosin rifle should still be in service, because it also has enough of it.

In the "Moskovsky Komsomol" there appeared the words of the representative of the Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant, which says that at the moment Russian gunsmiths have to follow the high requirements set by the Ministry of Defense. However, they do not receive any guarantees that the new weapons will be procured for the army in the future.
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  1. +4
    23 December 2011 08: 16
    How long can this question be procrastinated? It’s not interesting to read these fortune-telling books: ak-12, ak-120, aek ... There is a lot of work, we understood this a long time ago and we don’t have to repeat it a hundred times. more than once already, they will adopt a sample and will be purchased in single copies. They would have decided, shown and said that they’d have to defend their homeland with this machine, learn the materiel.
  2. +9
    23 December 2011 08: 28
    this is not a question for journalists, but for the Moscow Region .... they themselves don’t know what they want ...
    1. +7
      23 December 2011 08: 38
      It’s just not clear, Serdyukov works in one Moscow Region, and Makarov in another? Or does the head not know what hands are doing?
      1. +3
        23 December 2011 11: 17
        ordinary sabotage of senior officers. against the civil minister.
        1. J_silver
          -1
          23 December 2011 16: 00
          And who is good there then? The minister is a thief, there is nowhere to put a stamp for all his "innovations", but Makarov is a generally recognized pest ...
    2. +1
      24 December 2011 00: 17
      Quote: Krilion
      they don’t know what they want ...


      For example, I like 7,62 more, it seems he will be in AK-12
      1. NovoSibirets
        -1
        24 December 2011 00: 23
        And I sin 5,56! )) And he will be the first thing! ;)
  3. +2
    23 December 2011 08: 48
    endless story fellow
  4. Kaylan
    0
    23 December 2011 08: 56
    allowing to shoot both on land and under water. Moreover, underwater, its firing range reaches 800 meters, which is comparable to the Kalashnikovs.

    What does the author have in physics? What 800m under water, when even specially designed for this APS has an effective range under water up to 30 meters ???
  5. +2
    23 December 2011 09: 34
    The only thing I would change in the Kalash (AN, AEK) would be to reduce the store - in height, to the height of the handle, by expanding the store ... IMHO
    1. +5
      23 December 2011 10: 38
      Structurally difficult, and the reliability of the store will not be at the height of IMHO
    2. NovoSibirets
      +6
      23 December 2011 14: 13
      But I agree, the profile is lying high! Moreover, such box stores are wide, already developed! There he is! 60 rounds, if not mistaken. Without loss of reliability! It would be shortened to 45 partons (as in the PKK), and enough would be just a little lower than the pistol grip.

      1. +1
        23 December 2011 17: 47
        Well, such shops, of course, are known wink
        But as I understand it, it was directly about the handle that the shooter is holding on to.
        By the way, the photo shows a pen with a flashlight, it is not so short, but this is of course because of the flashlight. But I myself am for the 60 cartridge store. beauty!
        1. +1
          23 December 2011 17: 58
          Here is the full-time

          here is the tune:
          1. +1
            24 December 2011 10: 14
            Here we need to make the 60 charging store high with these pens =)
  6. dred
    +2
    23 December 2011 09: 38
    What do I know for sure that foreign samples like Fomas will not be accepted for service, let alone buy. What can I say if the ads and ASH-12 are not bought because there is no money. So Fomas costs 3000 euros.
    1. Artemka
      +1
      23 December 2011 15: 53
      And Kalash is much smaller.
    2. +1
      23 December 2011 18: 47
      And here is famas, this is from AK ...
  7. Kaylan
    +4
    23 December 2011 10: 21
    The most interesting was the ADF assault rifle with a caliber of 12.7 mm, which allows firing both on land and under water.

    It is strange for all searches: ADS - Two-Special Special (Underwater) Automatic (Russia) Caliber: 5.45 mm (5.45x39 PSP and PSP-U for underwater shooting, 5.45x39 7N6, 7N10, 7N22 for shooting in the air).
    1. 0
      11 March 2012 21: 58
      Yes, it seems to me that the 12,7 caliber is, to put it mildly, too big for a machine gun, but to put it bluntly, no machine gun is possible with such a caliber. Machine gun (easel / turret) and sniper rifle only. That is, there is an obvious "mistake" in the article.
  8. +4
    23 December 2011 10: 37
    It seems to me there is a bit of inconsistency with the plant and the customer (MO)
    I’m sure for all 100% that the plant wants and I’m ready to produce good barrels in bulk (I hope IzhMasha’s capacity is enough for this, you can buy modern equipment, as ORSIS did, just use non-expensive American weapon steel, which unfortunately is better than ours and use domestic, worse quality, but so that modern processing lubricates these shortcomings), introduce new automation, use plastic ..
    But at the same time, the MO wants a new barrel for the price of AK-74. It seems to me that the tail is in this. There is a lot of money, but there is absolutely none at all ....
    This is all my personal opinion. Whether you agree or not, it’s your business.
    1. +6
      23 December 2011 11: 13
      I agree the system of orders and agreements of the Moscow Region with the military-industrial complex, to say the least, is not perfect.
      Long-term contracts are not fulfilled due to the lack of stable financing from the Ministry of Defense plus the defense order system itself provides an opportunity for a corruption component. Tenders and contracts do not pass without kickbacks - the result is a story with the state defense order for 2010/11
    2. +4
      23 December 2011 11: 20
      there are two fools in the market, one is selling, the other is buying. need, as always, a strong-willed decision of the head of state. and if not, then they will be dressed up until a new war, God forbid.
      1. +1
        23 December 2011 12: 06
        Long-term contracts are not fulfilled due to the lack of stable funding from the Ministry of Defense plus the defense order system itself provides an opportunity for a corruption component

        I agree, it was all laid down on purpose, since denezhek is not enough for everyone.
        For add. income to the defense factories, they need to create a new niche for them, namely the civil sector, but this is a separate issue!
        the core, I can say the same thing, we need to include the civil sector
  9. Ion coaelung
    0
    23 December 2011 11: 02
    Give a lot of different trunks for different tasks! Kalash is good, but not convenient for everyone (tankers and crew of other vehicles, special squads, rocket launchers, etc.) to each his own barrel, for a specific task! To the maximum to unify more cartridges ...
    1. Mr. Truth
      +4
      23 December 2011 11: 54
      The weapon should be unified, on the basis of the machine gun there should be a carbine light machine gun with tape power and a rifle for the sniper of the compartment, a single cartridge for the separation-platoon (share cartridges brother)
      1. +2
        23 December 2011 12: 20
        I agree, but there are also disadvantages, the design becomes unreliable and entails various material costs.
        Just do not shout that I propose to leave the classic Kalash scheme! I am completely and completely for modernization!
        1. +1
          23 December 2011 16: 11
          I am 100% sure that the plant wants and I’m ready to produce good barrels in bulk (I hope IzhMasha’s capacity is enough for this, you can buy modern equipment, as ORSIS did, just use non-expensive American weapon steel, which unfortunately is better than ours ,

          Amerikosy win only at the expense of new machines, which in the carpet, Tula and Izhevsk are Khrushchev’s birthdays ... They are the same Orsis, they are ready to do it in 2 (TWO) weeks on order, we have an absurdity theater in Russia ... Money is a damn cloud , here you are - do the production modernization, you could even buy Nikolaev shipyards, but your pocket is closer, and this is alas ... A generation of managers, brokers and lawyers (Ours and the Young Guard) ...
          1. 0
            23 December 2011 17: 51
            The type of machines on which you can make a normal barrel is not state-owned and, accordingly, nothing will be done for the army on them, because the resource of these machines is 100% not 60 years like our Soviet ones. Did I understand correctly?
            1. -1
              23 December 2011 18: 49
              Gurza,
              Yes, about the campers who remember Stalin, and yes about techies ...
      2. J_silver
        0
        23 December 2011 16: 06
        And how is this possible? A machine gun is a means of amplification, it shoots a lot, ammunition should be cheaper, the same sniper rifle is also a means of amplification, but it shoots much less often, the requirements for cartridges are much higher ...
        Then take a regular AK 7,62, attach a better scope, but without excesses and you will be happy - solve all your problems ..
        1. -2
          23 December 2011 18: 51
          Just for some reason, with the Americans, this is a rifle and a machine gun and a sniper, the same thing for us, BUT separately, WHO is interfering with ours ...
          1. 0
            11 March 2012 22: 02
            Quote: PSih2097
            we have the same thing, BUT separately, WHO is interfering with ours ...

            So like this is one of the AK 12 chips, called a removable barrel. And accordingly, three sizes, a carbine, automatic, manual machine gun.
  10. +5
    23 December 2011 12: 17
    I believe that while the Kalashnikov assault rifle fully satisfies all the requirements. I mean a soldier of motorized rifle troops. Here there is talk that they say you need to increase the aiming range, reduce dispersion and so on. The previous war showed that effective fire from small arms can only be fired up to 800 meters, and even aiming a shot without special devices at this distance is difficult to do. And so the effective fire distance is from 100 to 400 meters. At such a distance, the Kalashnikov assault rifle shows excellent results. Want more? Arm the personnel with sniper rifles. Why make a fuss and invent a bicycle. It has long been invented. Tankers, pilots, crews of special vehicles, ships of the Navy are best equipped with compact submachine guns with a range of effective fire of 200-300 meters. I’m not talking about the various special forces, here the weapon should be as intended, for each specific case to be selected individually. Why throw public money to the wind and rearm the army anew, for the sake of a few hundred meters of extra aiming range and reduce mythical dispersion? It is better to spend this money on research and development work on a real revolution in small arms, for example, on beam weapons, etc.
    1. +3
      23 December 2011 12: 50
      He meets the requirements of the conscript, who mastered him in 1 day and started shooting. But if you can make a machine better and there are funds for it, then why not?
      beam weapons

      Unfortunately, so far only fiction, years through 40
  11. Orthodox
    +4
    23 December 2011 13: 30
    I watched a program about the top ten best weapons in the world (transmission of discovery) AK-74 took second place, first place took hand-to-hand combat.
    1. NovoSibirets
      +2
      23 December 2011 13: 37
      Sounds like a joke))
      1. +12
        23 December 2011 13: 47
        Anecdote:
        What should happen for a commando to engage in hand-to-hand combat?
        He must lose, an automatic machine, a gun, a sapper shovel, a helmet, a knife, must be in a field where there are no stones or sticks and nothing at all, and then find the same dolby..ba and engage in hand-to-hand combat!
        1. NovoSibirets
          +2
          23 December 2011 14: 07
          Yes, I also heard, performed by Sergey Badyuk))
      2. Orthodox
        +1
        23 December 2011 14: 21
        in vain, ironic, they buried AK in the sand, threw it into the water, moved the car and after all this he shot anyway, the presenters were astonished at the AK’s survivability. I’m repeating the transfer, but about melee in the first place, this decision may not want to give first place AK
        1. NovoSibirets
          +1
          23 December 2011 14: 36
          Quote: Orthodox
          in vain irony, AK was buried in the sand, thrown into ...

          In this regard, I’m just not ironic. I am a consistent supporter of AK, and all its qualities are known to me, as they say firsthand. I’m ironic about hand-to-hand combat naturally!
        2. 0
          23 December 2011 17: 18
          no normal warrior will so abuse his weapon. it is akin to a cavalryman who does not care for and does not feed a horse but occasionally rides it, not very fast but not on foot. and die, and with her.
          1. 0
            24 December 2011 10: 33
            ... not a single normal warrior will so abuse his weapon ...


            You’ll run through the taiga, climb the swamps, crawl along the sand to tactical-special ones, then you will understand what condition the weapon is in, and then you will realize that there is no price.
            By the way, I recently had a chance to shoot from the new AK 74M. I liked it, the butt is hinged but comfortable, accuracy when shooting single, good no matter what (I was a little fun, and I didn’t shoot military weapons for many, many years), the automation works quite softly, compared to AKM.
            1. +1
              24 December 2011 15: 38
              the soldier’s profession is that he himself is covered in mud, and his weapons must be clean.
              1. 0
                25 December 2011 12: 01
                Unfortunately, it’s impossible to always keep weapons clean, but in reality it doesn’t work. Weapons sometimes need to be cleaned, but there is no time for this in battle. After the battle, each self-respecting soldier will always clean his weapon first and foremost. Then everything else.
  12. NovoSibirets
    +3
    23 December 2011 13: 40
    I can smell it! I can smell it! Soon we will be presented with the AK-12! Already yearned for "debriefing")) A good machine should turn out, without show-off and to the point!
    1. +1
      23 December 2011 14: 04
      Yes. I really want to see the apparatus. I think it’s already being modernized, so to speak in advance!
  13. wk
    0
    23 December 2011 13: 57
    Quote: PSih2097
    The only thing I would change in the Kalash (AN, AEK) would be to reduce the store - in height, to the height of the handle, by expanding the store ... IMHO

    Yes, such stores with 71 rounds have always been, but their reliability leaves much to be desired, in addition, the weapon overheats after 60 rounds of intense fire.
    1. NovoSibirets
      0
      23 December 2011 14: 13
      Is this some kind of disk or something?
      1. wk
        +2
        23 December 2011 23: 04
        yes disk like PPSh, but charged like a regular store
        1. NovoSibirets
          0
          23 December 2011 23: 10
          Yes, you are right, there is an opinion that they have problems with giving. Because they were abandoned ...
          1. J_silver
            +2
            23 December 2011 23: 16
            It seems that they were never abandoned, they were just intended for machine guns initially. like horns of a larger capacity - those machine guns were brought out, you will not find those shops ...
            1. NovoSibirets
              0
              23 December 2011 23: 22
              John, I just want to ask, did you serve ?!
              I only saw such shops at the department and on the Internet! Nowhere else! As far as I know, they are not in the troops ..
              1. J_silver
                +1
                24 December 2011 14: 52
                But what time are we talking about?
                Those stores belong to the sixties, maybe to the seventies at the beginning, they could only be discovered when they plundered warehouses in dashing 90, only on video with Chechens they appeared relatively recently, but they shouldn't have ...
    2. +1
      23 December 2011 16: 14
      No, you don’t understand me, the store has 30 rounds, but at a level with the handle ...
      Example:
      Kalash

      not this way:

      Scar

      1. J_silver
        +2
        23 December 2011 16: 17
        Can you then stick a store on the side or on top, as the British once had?
        1. -1
          23 December 2011 18: 08
          Why, if Belgium did ... and Germany took advantage ...
      2. Mr. Truth
        +3
        23 December 2011 18: 29
        The size of the stanag and our store is the same, the height of the weapons is also almost the same, lying down to fight chtoli all the time going to?
  14. J_silver
    +1
    23 December 2011 16: 10
    At one time, one could see on the box some Mujahideen who were hanging the store from a machine gun on a machine gun and posing in front of cameras ...
    By the way, whoever the machine overheats after 60 shots - you have a squire. What, ammo boxes to drag you? They would buy cartridges in the store, but they would drag everything on themselves, so I guess the machine would not be too hot ...
    1. -1
      23 December 2011 17: 22
      in my opinion there is a Romanian modification of AK, there instead of a horn a drum as on a RPD
      1. -1
        24 December 2011 10: 39
        On RPD box with a machine gun belt.
        1. +1
          24 December 2011 16: 02
          I wrote how. Yes, on RPD a round box, visually similar to a disk store of increased capacity.
  15. -1
    23 December 2011 17: 39
    The guys of course overheat after 60 shots, this is understandable. But in combat conditions ..... no one will wait until your barrel cools down.
    It is necessary to improve the quality of the trunks, to train the personnel in proper shooting, so as not to be naughty (well, there’s a whole complex here and in general I’m not a pro in this matter)
    In general, I thought so, if I could create a store on the 1000 cartridge, so that the box hangs behind my back, the cartridge was fed using a thread of a rigid tape and through a regular AK store.
    These are just my thoughts do not take seriously!
    1. J_silver
      +2
      23 December 2011 17: 46
      Nah, such warriors to the ass need a trailer with cartridges to cling ...
      1. -1
        23 December 2011 17: 54
        such warriors

        How is that? Explain please!
        1. J_silver
          +2
          23 December 2011 17: 56
          Well, where do you plan to put a thousand rounds of ammunition? Estimate their weight ...
    2. -1
      23 December 2011 18: 05
      In general, I thought so, if I could create a store on the 1000 cartridge, so that the box hangs behind my back, the cartridge was fed using a thread of a rigid tape and through a regular AK store.

      In principle, "Pecheneg" is at your service ...
    3. Farkash
      +3
      24 December 2011 03: 19
      It is better to load the "endless ammo" cheat code into the program. And "endless life". wink
    4. NovoSibirets
      +2
      24 December 2011 03: 37
      Quote: GurZa
      These are just my thoughts do not take seriously!

      And I liked your thoughts !!! )))
      That's how they will be realized! )))

      Represent the Festive Parade dedicated to the 200th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War !!!
      A convoy of combat drones is entering Red Square !!!

      1. -1
        24 December 2011 10: 38
        Surprised that my humble thoughts caused such a resentment wink
        Well, where do you plan to put a thousand rounds of ammunition? Estimate their weight ...

        zinc with 5.45 cartridges (1080pcs) weighs approximately 15kg. To shove the 1080 cartridge into stores they need 36 (30) or 18 (60). And now roughly estimate all and volume of these shops! And maybe my idea is not so crazy ??? ......

        In principle, "Pecheneg" is at your service ...

        there are cartridges of caliber 7.62 they are heavier and more
        NovoSibirets thanks, I neigh wink
    5. -1
      24 December 2011 10: 42
      You have carried "zinc" on yourself sometime, dear Gyurza.
      1. -1
        24 December 2011 11: 50
        Wore. But the point, as I understand it, is not that?
  16. -1
    23 December 2011 17: 53
    I don’t know what the argument is about, but we remain at our own pace - the Kalash shop should be redone from length to width, to the level of the handle ...
    1. -1
      23 December 2011 17: 57
      Why debate? Discussion, I express my thoughts and agree or disagree with the thoughts of others. Everything is very decorous and decent, like at a ball!
    2. J_silver
      +1
      23 December 2011 22: 07
      For 60 years, the length of the store didn’t bother anyone, but here it suddenly prevented us! I'd like to know. Why are you clinging to this semi-toy rugbike?
      1. NovoSibirets
        -1
        23 December 2011 22: 17
        Quote: J_Silver
        For 60 years, the length of the store didn’t bother anyone, but here it suddenly prevented us!

        Yes, she interfered, Silver! How did it interfere with the fact that they had never dug a hole for the store with a shovel in the field, or what ?! High profile in battle - a high chance of getting a "black mark")) Well, you understand that))
        Quote: J_Silver
        Why are you clinging to this semi-toy rugbike?

        What do you call a rugby bike? Isn't it AK?
        Special for John Silver!

        "They call it a real weapon of mass destruction - it kills a quarter of a million people a year.

        Thanks to him, child soldiers appeared in the world.

        It is impossible to destroy it. Therefore, today no one knows how many people like him are in the world.

        For many, this is a very profitable investment.

        Some experts use it as a barometer of instability: if prices for it start to rise rapidly, it means that something is brewing in the country. "


        ("Al Jazeera", Arab Press)
        1. J_silver
          +1
          23 December 2011 23: 04
          Ruzbayka I called this sand toy with a photo ...
          You might think that if necessary, it will be difficult to dig a hole for the store, after the whole trench ...
          1. NovoSibirets
            +3
            23 December 2011 23: 18
            John, dear, I will dig out, if necessary, perhaps even with my teeth! But I have one problem, I do not pull reinforced concrete !!! How to be an orphan if I want to lie down in a building, huh ?!
            Look how a man with an AUG lay down! Try it this way with AK !!! Only lay it on your left side! Well, you can forget about aimed shooting! \

            1. -1
              24 December 2011 10: 54
              You are absolutely right, Novosibirets, to conduct aimed fire from a prone position on a flat platform from Kalash is really uncomfortable. It’s true, the store interferes, or rather its length.
              1. J_silver
                +1
                24 December 2011 14: 45
                And how long do you plan to lie on concrete like that, like a louse on your knee?
                By the way, it’s very convenient for a peasant to shoot only under his breath, because the store doesn’t give him much pleasure either, especially since he was in the groove ...
            2. XIII
              +1
              25 December 2011 17: 44
              Look how a man with an AUG lay down! Try it this way with AK !!!



              By the way, judging by the photo of this AUG, not the standard 30th store is attached, but a "shorter" one.


              The Bullpup has a very high aiming line (line-up flaws), so the shooter's profile is not lower than that of the AK shooter. As a consequence, the chances of getting "hello" also do not diminish. But when shooting in a prone position because of a low cover (bump, tire, stone, etc.), and in principle, shooting over any cover provides the AK shooter with a smaller profile (like any "classic" line-up).

              In addition, I personally find it inconvenient to change the store at the Bullpup while lying down. In other cases, the speed of changing magazines in a conventional lineup and in a Bullpup is practically the same and depends on the skill of the shooter and the mechanism of a particular "barrel".
  17. wow
    +2
    23 December 2011 22: 02
    AK - the car is not just "good", but the car is excellent. Many American citizens have felt this for themselves. It is important to improve it in the future, especially 7,62mm. And no need to "reinvent the wheel" !!!
  18. +1
    23 December 2011 23: 01
    Quote: yo-mine
    You can improve it in the future, especially 7,62mm. And no need to "reinvent the wheel" !!!

    I support! Better 7,62 did not hold in his hands from this line. With trunks, refinement is the best option. Then they will not have a price.
    5,45 is too capricious, it’s useless to fight in the forest, but 7,62 is just that. From personal experience.
    1. +2
      24 December 2011 11: 10
      we also basically took 7.62, as a rule, AKMS. Including because we worked in a wooded area .. BUT to say that 5.45 is capricious and even more useless in the forest, the language does not turn ...
  19. 755962
    +5
    24 December 2011 01: 50
    all Karabakh passed with AK-74 (5,45 mm) reliable, obedient, never failed,
  20. +3
    24 December 2011 01: 57
    How many of you guys have served in the Airborne Forces DLD for 10 years? AKS 74 meets all the requirements. and most importantly, reliability. and it’s necessary to learn how to shoot on the ground. some kind of barrel and if 3 rounds for half a year? what nafig of you fighter. dld35057.
    1. -1
      24 December 2011 10: 59
      Absolutely, Mikhail.
      Without normal fire training, a fighter with AKM, AK-74, with a fusee, with a bow and arrow. No difference.
  21. Dmitry.V
    +1
    24 December 2011 21: 51
    I think the issue with AK will not be resolved for a long time.
    The arguments may be stupid, but they are stupid because the Secretary of Defense is not smarter.
  22. Zynaps
    +1
    25 December 2011 00: 44
    Quote: NovoSibirets
    I only saw such shops at the department and on the Internet! Nowhere else! As far as I know, they are not in the troops ..


    I served in the early 80s. disk stores were not uncommon. hooked them to AKMS. but there was a moment: the store could not be charged to the eyeballs. if the cartridges weren’t enough, everything worked fine.
  23. froglodit
    +1
    25 December 2011 02: 07
    I may not be on the topic of discussion, but I’m also making some speculations, watching from all this fuss with the news I’m risking assuming that there is a simple work of general managers, well, they give everyone buns and they didn’t give weapons to them, we launch the news and it started to go, grandmother started flowing, I recommend the film Trick-22 (not in terms of the emotional experiences of the protagonist, but in terms of fraud), PS / -someone ready to defend their homeland, and someone to do the loot
  24. Vilis
    0
    24 February 2012 19: 58
    How do they not understand? request They will still be pulling with Kalash for another 1000 years1 Russia begins to rub into arms the authority that once was when the first Kalash appeared !! No. it is not necessary to constantly upgrade the same machine, it is necessary to do something new so that the machine is better, more practical, more accurate, and more reliable1 and Krosota is a mediocre thing!
    Here they are writing that the AK is supposedly stale in the warehouse !? so sell it to foreign countries, it will be torn off with your hands on * ig !! Zelenko was right when he told us that we should put Mosin on the armament, because there is still a lot of her (if I wrote a quote as a memento !!) as one akin with a kettlebell said, “And if tomorrow’s war,” and against us, the weapon is shady! at a glance laughing ) it is necessary to do something with this
    tell me right ????