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Hypersonic breakthrough of Russia

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Hypersonic breakthrough of Russia



Shortly before the May holidays, the world's leading media, referring to each other, reported on the successful testing of a hypersonic missile in our country. The fact that the development of such a particularly promising weapons are conducted in the United States, Russia, China and, it seems, in India, for several years been described in many publications. And in all there were noted, but no one has yet overcome, scientific and technological difficulties for high-speed developers weapons.

It became clear that success in this matter can be achieved only where they can simultaneously solve a whole range of problems: they will create materials resistant to ultra-high temperatures, high-energy fuel, fundamentally new ways to control a hypersonic aircraft (LA) and so on. However, official reports that somewhere have achieved such integrated solutions, none of these countries have been reported until recently. Although occasionally there was information about the testing of experimental hypersonic aircraft. As a rule, unsuccessful, at the same time not confirmed directly and not refuted by the military departments that are the customers of such weapons.

And suddenly, at once, a lot of media outlets declared Russia the leader in the high-speed race. While the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and this time again, refrained from any official comments on this account. But did something convince both domestic and foreign news agencies in the reality of the Russian hypersonic breakthrough?

AMERICANS HAVE CONTINUOUS PROBLEMS

Back in July, 2015, I had the occasion to hear myself as one of the top leaders of the Russian Armed Forces commented on the comment that Russia does not have an adequate response to the approach of elements of the American missile defense system to its borders: “We have something to answer, and how to respond. I think in the near future the Americans will understand the futility and meaninglessness of everything that they do. " The General, with an ironic smile, asked then not to rush to replicate this information: “Let them be well spent,“ building a “fence from the antimissile system” and doing absolutely unnecessary work. ”

Just in those days, news agencies unanimously reported on the development work carried out in our country to develop and create a hypersonic aircraft, called the “4202 object”. It was argued that this aircraft at a cruising speed exceeding 5 – 7 times the speed of sound (5 – 7 Mach numbers) will be able to perform maneuvers in pitch (vertical plane) and yaw (horizontal plane). Recall that the speed corresponding to 1 Mach will be approximately equal to 330 m / s or 1224 km / h, that is, the speed of sound in air. With such high speed and maneuverability, any missile defense system, even having managed, let's say, to detect the device, still does not have time to react to it and at least try to destroy it. True, the proven capabilities of the "4202 object" a year ago were not reported.

And last Tuesday, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev, directly stated: “Threats for the Strategic Missile Forces by the European missile defense segment are limited and do not currently lead to a critical reduction in the combat capabilities of the Strategic Missile Forces. This is achieved both by reducing the section for dispersing the ICBMs and by means of new types of military equipment with a difficult-to-predict flight path. ”

It seems that the embarrassment happened with the long, persistent and costly promotion of the American missile defense project for Europe was finally realized in the USA. As the head of the Missile Defense Agency, James Syring, announced a week earlier, in the near future the United States intends to spend 23 million dollars to develop laser weapons, which are still designed to protect the country from hypersonic missiles. The barrage of global missile defense in the current situation seems to be ineffective. Congressman Trent Franks, an active supporter of the “changing paradigm” of modern war, expressed his extreme concern about the development of hypersonic weapons by countries such as Russia and China: “The hypersonic era is approaching. The United States should not only compete in this area, but also achieve superiority, because our enemies are serious about improving technology and developing them effectively. ”

But for the time being, America cannot boast of notable success in the development of its own hypersonic weapon. The scant information about experimental hypersonic LA trials conducted in the United States testified to their actual failures. Since 2010, three have spent them. And after the last partially tested hypersonic X-51A Waverider in 2014, which was declared “partially successful”, all information about the continuation of the project was completely classified. And now, in the Western and Russian editions, only limited data is “walking” that American companies and military experienced three HyFly missiles capable of flying at more than 6 Mach numbers (about 7 thousand km / h) and HTV-2 gliders accelerated seems to be up to 20 mach numbers. During this project, the developers faced the effect of shielding radio signals with a plasma film formed on the surface of the rocket body during a hypersonic flight in the atmosphere and, in effect, making it uncontrollable. Radio signals can not break through to the rocket from the outside, or from it to the outside. And it seems that the Americans have not managed to solve this problem so far. As, however, and a number of others, too.

Otherwise, how to explain the fact that a month ago the American edition of Aviation Week reported that the US Air Force Research Laboratory in the near future will launch a new project, whose main task will be to study the behavior of aircraft at hypersonic speed. The project will be called HyRAX (Hypersonic Routine and Affordable Experimentation - regular and affordable experimenting with hypersound). The project will study the materials and design of aircraft, suitable for flying at hypersonic speed, handling and engines.

At the first stage of the project, the laboratory intends to conclude at least two contracts with US companies to develop an aircraft that would be capable of long flights with hypersonic speed. The second phase of the project will include the construction and flight tests of a hypersonic device. The device itself should be relatively cheap and reusable. Thanks to HyRAX, researchers expect to get enough data to successfully design hypersonic aircraft. In the meantime, the progress achieved in the design does not start.

WE MADE IT


And in Russia, as we see, the situation with hypersound is the exact opposite. 21 April Interfax, citing a source familiar with the situation, circulated information about the successful test of a prototype hypersonic aircraft designed to equip existing and future intercontinental ballistic missiles. From the Dombarovsky test site in the Orenburg region, the RS-18 ICBM (according to the Western classification - “Stilet”) was launched, equipped with a working model of the combat unit in the form of a hypersonic aircraft. Tests recognized successful.

In the Ministry of Defense, as usual in such cases, they did not comment on these reports. The rocket and space industry, in turn, did not confirm or deny the launch information. However, the former secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Andrei Kokoshin, who had long been engaged in armament issues directly at the Ministry of Defense, in connection with the launch, said: “I think the creation of such a hypersonic maneuvering unit is a means of overcoming those missile defense systems that can occur even through 20– 30 and over years. While this is a demonstration of technical capabilities, which is also very important for ensuring strategic stability. The stage of mass deployment of these funds will come later. "


The Americans have already tried to launch their hypersonic missiles from an airplane. These launches are recognized as "partially successful." Photos from www.af.mil

Two days later, the reputable magazine National Interest published an article stating that Russia conducted state tests of a hypersonic missile called the Zircon. The publication emphasizes that work in the United States on hypersonic rocket technology has not even come close to the serial production of such aircraft. At the same time, in a National Interest article, analyst Dave Majumbar, referring to the Russian media, notes that the serial hypersonic missiles that are part of the 3K22 Zircon complex will be first placed on the currently undergoing modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARK) ( project 1144 "Orlan"). Return to battle fleet This ship is due in 2018. In addition, after the completion of modernization in 2022, another nuclear-powered cruiser, Peter the Great, project 1144, will also be equipped with these missiles. The fact that Zircon is ready for testing was reported in mid-March 2016.

A statement made by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov in the middle of February of the current year is very much combined with these data. He announced the adoption of the Deciling-M fuel for the supply of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which will be used in jet engines of new hypersonic strategic missiles. Tell me, is it necessary to finance, produce and start supplying such fuel to the troops if hypersonic missiles have not yet been created and will not be mass-produced in a short time?

Again, the engine for hypersonic aircraft ... In the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great created a power plant for a promising aerospace aircraft, which will be used both in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and in the civilian sphere. A representative of the Academy told reporters last year at the exhibition "Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - 2015". According to him, NPO Molniya is now developing a research project on a hypersonic aerospace plane, but they do not yet have their own propulsion system, and the academy has invited production workers to work together. But it is not only in these two organizations that they hover above the power plant of a high-speed aircraft.

Scientists of the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI) have developed a combustion chamber for a hypersonic engine. About what the dean of the department “Engines” MAI Alexey Agulnik also reported at 2015 at the scientific-practical conference “Aerodynamics, thermodynamics, burning in a gas turbine engine and a ramjet jet engine” held in Novosibirsk. Agulnik told the following: “The combustion chamber is made of carbon materials, for the first time in the world for such materials it has a rectangular cross section and not a round one. The fact that we, after 110 seconds, after testing the camera, did not see any serious damage, gives us great hope. ”

Well, according to official information received by the media from LII to them. M.M. Gromov, a flying laboratory is being created there on the basis of the Il-76 transport aircraft to conduct experiments with a hypersonic aircraft detachable from the carrier aircraft. According to the Director General of the LII, Pavel Vlasov, the GLL-AP hypersonic flying laboratory is being developed with the aim of creating an experimental base for conducting flight studies of a demonstration high-speed, straight-through jet engine integrated with an experimental hypersonic aircraft (EGLA). Demonstrator hypersonic air-jet engine (scramjet) is created by experts of the Central Institute of aircraft engine building (CIAM) them. P.I. Baranov.

The IL-76MD LL aircraft is scheduled to dismantle one D-30KP engine (internal on the left wing console), and an experimental hypersonic aerial vehicle (EGLA) will be installed instead of it on the external suspension. During the test flight, AEGRA will separate from the IL-76 and go off on its own.

If, however, we add information from reliable sources in the military-industrial complex to the listed developments, that Russia has found a way to use plasma film around hypersonic aircrafts as a radar, then we can safely say: the problems of flight controllability at speeds above 5 Max, the creation of high-energy fuel, are successfully solved materials for the manufacture of special engines. This fact is confirmed, for example, by Boris Obnosov, Director General of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV). According to him, KTRV, ensuring the coordination of work in the field of hypersound, works closely with the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, the State Rocket Center. V.P. Makeeva (Miass, Chelyabinsk Region), Raduga Enterprise, Mashinostroyeniye, many academic institutions and other organizations. A powerful scientific and production cooperation arose that is capable of achieving truly breakthrough solutions. “We have a good promotion on hypersonic topics,” stated Obnosov.

WHO HAS MORE OPPORTUNITIES


And indeed, progress in the development of Russian hypersonic weapons was noticeable.

So, the first test launch of the newest heavy liquid rocket “Sarmat” from the mine installation is planned to be carried out in the second half of 2016. A launch in the series of ICBM "Sarmat" is planned to 2020 year. “Approximately serial deliveries will begin in 2018 – 2019,” Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told reporters. As you know, the ICBM RS-28 "Sarmat" developed by the State Rocket Center. V.P. Makeev and the production of the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant should completely replace the heavy Ukrainian-made ICBMs from the R-36М “Voevoda” (according to the NATO classification - SS-18 “Satan”).

Former chief of the 4 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Vladimir Vasilenko, noted that the development of a new heavy strategic missile in Russia would restrain US plans to deploy a global missile defense system. According to the expert, such a property of a heavy ICBM, as the multidirectionality of the azimuths approaching the target, forces the opposing side to provide circular missile defense. “And it is much more difficult in an organization, especially in finance, than a sectoral missile defense. This is a very strong factor, - said Vasilenko. “In addition, the huge supply of useful combat loads on heavy ICBMs allows it to be equipped with various means of overcoming missile defense, which ultimately satiates any missile defense, both its information tools and percussion.” And one of such means of overcoming, as many experts now indicate, will be a hypersonic combat unit. Actually for this, on the eve of the May holidays, a test launch of the RS-18 ICBM with hypersonic equipment was conducted.

The same "4202 object" is planned to equip the mobile ground-based missile systems (PGRK) RS-24 "Yars", which are now consistently re-equip one RVSN connection after another. That is, the Strategic Missile Forces will be able to launch hypersonic warheads from both the mines and the PGRK.

And "4202 objects" will start in the layout of the Zirkon missiles from the Husky nuclear submarines. The development of these promising nuclear submarines is scheduled for completion in 2018 year, said Igor Ponomarev, vice president of USC for military shipbuilding.

It will be able to carry hypersonic warheads and the P-30 "Bulava" - the latest Russian three-stage solid-fuel rocket, designed to arm the promising nuclear-powered submarine strategic rocket carriers of the 955 "Borey" project. Up to ten hypersonic maneuvering nuclear units of individual guidance can be carried by each Bulava and hit targets in a radius of up to 8 thousand km.

And of course, air-based cruise missiles on the Tu-160M and Tu-95M strategic bombers will also be equipped with “4202 objects” ...

In recent years, the United States commercially confidently threatened the world with its concept of a global lightning strike, which implies that precision instruments must be capable of massively striking targets in any country declared an enemy of America within an hour. The development of hypersonic rockets is one of the cornerstones of this concept. Only now the United States is not the leader in gaining real opportunities for a global lightning strike.

"The US program, which deals with hypersonic gliders, can be called modest," said former Pentagon analyst Mark Schneider. - I would be surprised if we deploy at least one. And even if we do, it is likely to be non-nuclear. Russian hypersonic devices are likely to be able to carry a nuclear charge, as this is the norm for Russia. ” The expert claims that the American hypersonic program is inferior to the Russian and scale, and technological characteristics.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 14 May 2016 05: 55
    +5
    The Orlan with hypersonic missiles and the squadron will not be a hindrance, and Americans can generally let the Americans down their missile defense system. The prospect with these missiles is simply enormous, and planes, submarines and surface ships, mines and mobile complexes in general will be enormous.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 14 May 2016 07: 07
      +9
      Unfortunately, one ship, even with such weapons, will not make the weather .. Well, we (the generals of the couch) are ready to throw up fenders at all with caps. Regrettably, all this leads to sad results.
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The Orlan with hypersonic missiles and the squadron will not be a hindrance, and Americans can generally let the Americans down their missile defense system. The prospect with these missiles is simply enormous, and planes, submarines and surface ships, mines and mobile complexes in general will be enormous.
      1. Delink
        Delink 14 May 2016 08: 11
        +6
        Let’s then pour the tears of the corcodile, unfortunately))))
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 14 May 2016 14: 11
          +13
          It’s not necessary to pour tears. But to say that just like that, it’s easy to merge amers into the toilet is not necessary. It’s just an indicator of a distant mind.
          Quote: Delink
          Let’s then pour the tears of the corcodile, unfortunately))))
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 15 May 2016 19: 53
            0
            Quote: dmi.pris
            It’s not necessary to pour tears. But to say that just like that, it’s easy to merge amers into the toilet is not necessary. It’s just an indicator of a distant mind.

            It may not be drained into the toilet, but a decent hole in the US budget, to fight the Russian hypersound, can do the Russian Federation.
            1. antipendos
              antipendos 15 May 2016 20: 23
              0
              Duck Onizh wrappers their holes for many years successfully close up
            2. magosvel
              magosvel 15 May 2016 23: 50
              +3
              The budget of Amers is already a black hole (about 20 trillion), so that they swallow a hypersonic hole - they will not choke, and they will even weld.
          2. Arkon
            Arkon 16 May 2016 18: 14
            -1
            Quote: dmi.pris
            It’s not necessary to pour tears. But to say that just like that, it’s easy to merge amers into the toilet is not necessary. It’s just an indicator of a distant mind.


            Do not forget that military force is one of many tools of the United States. It is now clear, not only to us, but also to the Americans, that its significance in the dispute between the powers can be significantly reduced - force hitting will not work. In my opinion, this is obvious, isn't it?

            However, this is an occasion to pay closer attention to other areas of a possible strike.

            Why overestimate the threat? Although this is less harm than underestimation, it is, nevertheless, harm.
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 15 May 2016 14: 49
          +8
          And Estonian air defense does not believe in the existence of supersonic aircraft. laughing
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 15 May 2016 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            And Estonian air defenses do not believe

            How familiar this is. :)
      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar 14 May 2016 10: 23
        +8
        Now the Americans are in a hurry to blaze Russia until We pulled ahead and became absolutely untouchable for them ....?! Syksuns they are still those, therefore they will force events, by all means possible for them, jackals!
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 14 May 2016 14: 28
          +12
          Quote: Bone
          Syksuns they are still those, therefore they will force events, by all means possible for them, jackals!

          ... alas and ah, but this will not help them anymore ... from the long-standing 1992, from an interview with academician Avramenko:
          - Rimiliy Fedorovich, what are the basic principles of plasma weapon technology?
            - Any attacking object, be it an aircraft, a cruise missile or a warhead, is designed to move in the atmosphere. The idea of ​​a plasma weapon is to create a controllable plasmoid moving near the target in the atmosphere with a stream of powerful microwave radiation. Imagine a flying plane, under one wing of which air suddenly disappears. What will happen? A monstrous torque appears - the plane starts spinning at a breakneck speed and it collapses. The same thing happens with the warhead. Even at an altitude of about 50 kilometers, air is quite enough for the warhead to turn into a turbine from such an asymmetric effect, spin up and be torn apart by its own centrifugal forces, and it is impossible to provide this process with any opposition from the side of the attacking target. Thus, plasma weapons are a universal mechanism that allows you to destroy any objects moving in the atmosphere - roughly speaking, this principle allows, as it were, to set a trip, to use its own kinetic energy to destroy a target.
          ... and two articles of his from distant 1992:
          1. "Experimental study of the interaction of an energy-intensive plasma formation with a shock wave and high-power laser radiation"
          Abstract: The results of experiments on the interaction of EPO with shock waves with velocities Vo = 380-1000 m / s and with high-power laser radiation of the infrared range are presented. It is shown that EPO in a number of its properties resembles natural ball lightning.
          2. "Experimental study of energy-intensive compact plasma formations"
          Abstract: The structure of energy-intensive plasma formations (EPOs) obtained using an erosion discharge and the gas dynamics of these objects are experimentally investigated. EPO has been shown to resemble natural ball lightning in a number of its properties.

          ... and another phrase from his interview:
          In Vladimra-30, with the help of installations creating plasmoids, we successfully hit artillery shells flying at a speed of about a kilometer per second.
          ... wink
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 14 May 2016 22: 12
            +3
            In Vladimra-30, with the help of installations creating plasmoids, we successfully hit artillery shells flying at a speed of about a kilometer per second.


            Not everything is so beautiful. An experiment is an experiment; field conditions are completely different. Plasma tunnel cannot be created, otherwise the results would have been visible. For today, everything concrete on this topic has gone under deep vultures. They declare a different desa, and at this time they are feverishly looking for ways to make a hypersonic object controllable. And that’s all. And Russia, and the Chinese, and the Americans.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 14 May 2016 23: 17
              +3
              Quote: Asadullah
              Not everything is so beautiful. An experiment is an experiment; field conditions are completely different. Plasma tunnel cannot be created, otherwise the results would have been visible.

              ... Hello Brother Asadullah ... hi ... and what is a plasma tunnel ?! ... it was a completely different matter ... creation using a microwave radiation of a plasma formation at a point in space ... hi
              Quote: Asadullah
              For today, everything concrete on this topic has gone under deep vultures.

              ... and this is really so ... I completely agree ... and this is right ... according to this and infa, the above stated from 1992 is in the public domain ... hi
              Quote: Asadullah
              They declare a different desa, and at this time they are feverishly looking for ways to make a hypersonic object controllable. And that’s all. And Russia, and the Chinese, and the Americans.

              ... here, Brother, you have an inaccuracy ... in the list ... Russia does not appear in it ... even the USSR could not be listed in it ... the question already had a practical solution in the early 80s of the last century ... such pies ... hi
            2. yehat
              yehat 16 May 2016 11: 16
              -1
              not only listed.
              the Japanese do not make their interest known, but they dig this topic too.
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 14 May 2016 23: 24
            -9
            Yes! If an academician gives such a justification, then one cannot see how hyper-speed objects of flight or everything else are like ears. They even understand the essence of the concept of radial polarization. Why this cannot happen, but should. What processes result in a plasmoid being formed as a radially polarized object? In general, do they understand why plasma behaves like a hydro-gas-dynamic flow?
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 15 May 2016 20: 02
              +2
              Quote: gridasov
              In general, do they understand why plasma behaves like a hydro-gas-dynamic flow?

              Do you understand what you wrote? Can you justify what is written? Or is copyright from inflated sources a priori a dogma for you? I try to write in a language that is accessible to you, so that you can understand.
        2. Gogia
          Gogia 14 May 2016 14: 38
          +4
          By and large, we are untouchable even now. We simply do not have financial power. There is no such amount of financial resources as that of Amer. And their concern is that we have less money.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 15 May 2016 07: 57
            -3
            So, after all, everyone simply abandoned candy wrappers and live happily.
            1. yehat
              yehat 16 May 2016 11: 21
              0
              no, not easy. the market is similar in its essence to the Roman latifundia - it has to do everything necessary for itself. So, after the collapse of the USSR and the CMEA, the Russian market became too small to establish self-sufficiency and ensure the profitability of investments, so it is impossible to refuse the dollar. And until we increase our "area" to about 700-1000 million people,
              this situation will remain so. And now the United States is preoccupied with this very thing - to reduce the sales market and comfortable economic cooperation of the Russian Federation as much as possible so that we cannot refuse dollar relations.
        3. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 15 May 2016 00: 21
          -1
          Hypersound is a breakthrough, but for the time being. While the laser and electromagnetic guns do not fully work. It would be good for us to develop projects not only tomorrow, but also after the day after tomorrow
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 15 May 2016 10: 44
            -11%
            Absolutely right! There is a need and there is a new scientific paradigm, on the basis of which both science and fundamental and applied and all technologies of embodiment will develop in one vector, and not take "one step forward and two backward". This is very important to understand! But this requires new methods of mathematical analysis based on the function of constant value of a number, when mathematics will be able to analyze complex highly dynamic and multidirectional and any conjugation vector physical. processes, and not analysis based on calculation and construction of mathematical sequences, which give nothing but pure statistics of a particular solution. Hence, a breakthrough will be made in the understanding of many obvious processes that are hidden behind the screen of dogmas and abstract contrived laws. At the same time, without a doubt, nothing can be rejected from past achievements and knowledge. You just need to link everything and everyone. I will give one reasoning that will open the eyes of mathematicians. Its essence is that while expanding the diversity of knowledge, scientists are obliged to change the generalization algorithms towards understanding the essence of the primordial foundations. It can be described mathematically and very simply. But this simplicity is associated with a fundamental discovery, which cannot yet be talked about loudly. Moreover, not many will understand.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 15 May 2016 13: 05
              +5
              Quote: gridasov
              But For this we need new methods of mathematical analysis based on the function of a constant value of the number, when mathematics can analyze complex highly dynamic and multidirectional and any conjugation vector physical. processes, rather than analysis based on the calculation and construction of mathematical sequences that do not give anything but pure statistics of a particular solution. Hence, a breakthrough will be made in understanding many of the obvious processes that are hidden behind a screen of dogmas and abstract far-fetched laws. Moreover, without a doubt, nothing can be rejected from past achievements and knowledge. You just need to connect everything and everything. I will give one reasoning that will open

              -Wow, how does it work! laughing Ours, from the Chuy valley? Or your local mushrooms? laughing
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 15 May 2016 13: 23
                -1
                Tesla used to say that a person can not always measure his sensation with reality. Indeed, when you are in an airplane or a ship moving in its relative environment combined with the environment of the outside world, many events seem like an illusion. So you, dear, see the world through the prism of your own perception. And who can say that this is absolute. Moreover, your hints make you think a little cautiously.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 May 2016 13: 52
              +4
              Quote: gridasov
              It can be described mathematically and quite simply. But this simplicity is connected with a fundamental discovery, about which it is still impossible to speak loudly. Moreover, not many will understand.

              So shut up, and do not fool people.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 15 May 2016 14: 01
                -2
                Given the meaning of what has been said, we can say that you are a general. Since plugging the mouth of others is not tactful and illegal. Secondly, among scientists, some seek the truth by analyzing the information collected and issue an actually intelligible justification for the laws of nature. Others, as they say, have learned clever words and are building themselves into experts, so there is little sense in them. I'm not going to fool my head, but I hope that someone will ask substantive questions. Although the probability is zero. Mashing and plugging your mouth is easier than understanding the meaning of newly spoken speeches.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 May 2016 14: 19
                  +5
                  Quote: gridasov
                  you cannot speak loudly

                  These are your words. And, since after such a statement it is difficult to expect an answer on the merits, then do not be offended.
                  Do not fool people.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 16 May 2016 11: 34
                    -5
                    Any technical solutions will proceed from how we will analyze the physical process associated with what we refer to as flight hyperspeed. Therefore, let's start with the fact that any material object, at least in the environment of our planet, has a system of polarization relative to the planet itself and relative to objects of external interaction that are in an equivalent scale of energy interaction. That is, all interactions are at the level of certain boundary processes associated with the dimension of these bodies by their polarization. For example, the polarization of the same Tunguska "meteorite" was such that upon reaching a certain density of magnetic force processes, interacting with the magnetic processes of the Earth, it was simply downsized to stable components. At the same time, complex processes occurred in the very matter of the atmosphere, which caused shock wave processes, etc. So. any object with a linear dimension already in itself has a transverse dimension. When moving in dense or any layers of the atmosphere, this object forms polarization in the dynamics of change and relative to the magnetic fluxes of the Earth and relative to various properties of the environment. Any increase in speed causes a change in the polarization of this object along all vectors and the longitudinal part and along the transverse part, But the transverse part of the object is the mathematical relationship between the longitudinal vector of magnetic fluxes and radial moments of rotation. And if this simple axiom is clear, then at a high flight speed, polarization along a linear vector will always equivalently cause a radial moment of rotation of magnetic fluxes, and at hyperspeed this object will simply "twist" and it will be torn apart according to a completely definite process. That is why I am saying that it is technically not very difficult to carry out the process of controlling the polarization of a flying object in such a way that the moments of rotation of the magnetic forces are always "automatically" transformed, so that there is no destruction.
                    Mathematically, all these processes are described as a system or structure in which it is possible to trace all possible algorithms for the development of processes in any direction and in any combination. Moreover, without limitation and the possibility of taking into account all the input and output analysis parameters. That is, according to the capacity of possible variations, this structure is unlimited. But! It is neither a matrix nor a matroid. Since the properties of numbers allows you to form and see the dynamics of motion and changes in the density of numerical flows. All this is possible only if you use the function of a constant value of a number, and not a variable (as is done now). And therefore, it is impossible to obtain the mathematical space of all related events. And be sure that people simply have no other way to first understand and then realize the possibility of flying at speeds much higher than those designated as hyperspeed.
          2. yehat
            yehat 16 May 2016 11: 32
            +1
            hypersound, lasers, electromagnetic guns are just local technologies, like gunpowder or paper making or, for example, the development of large-caliber guns for battleships.
            Tactically very significant, but they do not guarantee any cardinal breakthrough, but simply complement what is.
            A breakthrough will be provided by completely different developments - first of all, in the field of energy and applied solutions based on a unified field theory. Also, a cardinal breakthrough is now brewing in the field of logistics organization (with the growth of computer technology), a breakthrough in the field of communications is developing. Medicine after years of stagnation can already take a sharp step forward. This will be a breakthrough comparable to the invention of a wheel or an atomic bomb.
            ps and as far as lasers are concerned, this technology in military subjects stalled sharply, because they came up against the formation of atmospheric conditions for the effective operation of the laser.
        4. antipendos
          antipendos 15 May 2016 20: 25
          -1
          but it cannot be otherwise
      3. Gogia
        Gogia 14 May 2016 14: 37
        +3
        The US is very good at working on bugs. No need to relax. It is necessary to throw in more disinformation, to work with agents. Given that their military is much more expensive, let them equip their army with expensive toys that will only undermine real combat power. The main thing is to answer asymmetrically - cheaply and angrily. 1
      4. bastard
        bastard 14 May 2016 21: 06
        +3
        Quote: dmi.pris
        .Well, we (the generals of the couch) are generally ready to throw up our hats. Regrettably, all this leads to sad results.

        From the text of the article:
        "Recall that the speed corresponding to Mach 1 will be approximately 330 m / s or 1224 km / h, that is, the speed of sound in air."
        I apologize for such a shameless intrusion (this has nothing to do with the author of the comment), but, as far as I remember from school arithmetic, in an hour of 60 minutes, in a minute of 60 seconds, therefore, in one hour, 60 x 60 = 3600 seconds, hence 330 m / s we multiply by 3600 seconds = 1188 km / h. Check, dear gentlemen and comrades, maybe I was wrong or Doctor Phys.-Math. of sciences Mr. Fursenko and his sidekick Livanov and syudy got there? Didn't they round up the number "pi" to four on the occasion, well, for convenience? Why not, because Churov's number is almost a constant.
        By the way, as far as I know, the Mach speed in air, expressed in m / s, will be lower at a height than at the surface (at the level, so to speak, of the sea) due to the difference in atmospheric density.
        1. yehat
          yehat 16 May 2016 11: 38
          -1
          1. you are inattentive - 330ms wrote that this is an approximate value.
          2. The determination of the Mach number is more complicated than the dependence on the density of the atmosphere.
          for example, it depends on temperature, humidity and ionization. Finally, the Mach number also depends on the frequency of the sound signal. Reducing atmospheric density is a simplification. Moreover, the Mach number is used as an applied measure to the speed of other objects.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 16 May 2016 11: 49
            -3
            There are still people who understand the roots of the problem. After all, the essence of the problems is not in the product, but in the technique of understanding or analyzing the processes in which both the flight and all interactions take place
          2. bastard
            bastard 16 May 2016 18: 33
            -1
            Quote: yehat
            1. you are inattentive - 330ms wrote that this is an approximate value.

            And no less approximate result pushed to this approximate value? Class! Let's say you stomp at a speed of about 2 m / s, so your speed is about 8-9 km / h. Somewhere around.
            Like in that joke
            Teacher:
            “Givi, how many two two?”
            Givi takes out a dagger:
            - Sam!
            Teacher:
            “Well, yes, something like that, Sam Vosem.” . .
            Quote: yehat
            2. The determination of the Mach number is more complicated than the dependence on the density of the atmosphere.
            for example, it depends on temperature, humidity and ionization. Finally, the Mach number also depends on the frequency of the sound signal. Reducing atmospheric density is a simplification. Moreover, the Mach number is used as an applied measure to the speed of other objects.

            I believed that most of the other participants in the discussion of the article knew this and did not consider it necessary to quote citations from physics textbooks, special literature, and scientific articles here. Sorry, clinging to numbers.
            The 1224 km / h given in the article will correspond to the speed of sound of 340 m / s. At the ground.
            There was a solid "troika" at school in richmetic.
            Who cares about the details - to start the syudy:
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Число_Маха
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 16 May 2016 18: 47
              -2
              Yes, but the question is not the ability to fly at such a relative speed, but the fact that each MAX is the new conditions for the interaction of the aircraft with the environment. And that means accelerating to, for example, seven misses, changing the algorithm of complex conditions providing such a non-destructive object, flight. The question is that there is a limit to non-destructive flight, which must not only be overcome, but higher speeds used without problems. So the question is the methodology !!! It turns out that even such self-implied things need to be explained. What can we say about the essence of the decisions and methods of analysis of such high-potential processes?
      5. KCA
        KCA 15 May 2016 09: 54
        0
        well why not, AUG can only come from the Pacific Ocean, the Baltic and the Black Sea, for obvious reasons, not a theater of operations for modern ships against aviation, patrol missile ships and ground complexes, no admiral will send to the seas of the Arctic AUG, no one wants to become the captain of the new Titanic or Chelluskin
      6. Gesser
        Gesser 17 May 2016 12: 47
        0
        Ahhhh we all die !!!
    2. Portolan
      Portolan 14 May 2016 07: 52
      +19
      The expert claims that the American hypersonic program is inferior to the Russian one both in scale and technological characteristics.


      the question arises - "why actually?" Why did this beacon of Western democracy and the focus of the best Western representatives of intellectual labor suddenly behave so modestly? After all, Americans are always the first in the air (wrights), and on the moon, and the computers are the first and the best, and then suddenly, instead of shouting loudly to the whole world, that - "our democracy is the main reason for our victories", why then stepped aside with the expression - everything is bad?
      If you look at all these American victories, then the picture arises such an emigrant country America lived its entire short history at the expense of visiting minds, and the fact that they themselves could not come up with was impudently appropriated
      -the first plane Mozhaisk, not Wright
      -first light bulb Lodygin, not Edison
      -the first transistor, there’s a generally strange story here, according to TI Bardin was John and was an American, but there are also facts that Bardin was the Russian Ivan Bardin and even he invented the transistor, the physicist Losev recognized the birthright with his KRISTADINOM. In short, the American emigrant habit of lying and steal everything and here is clearly visible.
      -penicillin-crustazine was created by Yermolova, at the same time as the British Americans, but Yermolova's production, storage and application technologies were more progressive. The "scientific community" named the medicine penicillin in Amerski, although it was in Ruska-krustazin that production was started.
      -Ponyatov-video recorder
      -Zvorykin -TV
      -Tesla alternator and more
      -Pentkovo-Pentium
      -Werner von Braun, a German engineer who created a space program for amers, rockets redstone, Jupiter, Saturn1, Saturn5 ???
      So what did pin_ dos do it yourself? It is clear why their hypersound is skidding - the brains are over.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 14 May 2016 08: 41
        +3
        Hypersonic breakthrough of Russia

        For every sly Amer’s ass, Russia always has a threaded bolt!
      2. Beefeater
        Beefeater 14 May 2016 10: 10
        -24%
        Quote: Portolan
        The expert claims that the American hypersonic program is inferior to the Russian one both in scale and technological characteristics.


        the question arises - "why actually?" Why did this beacon of Western democracy and the focus of the best Western representatives of intellectual labor suddenly behave so modestly? After all, Americans are always the first in the air (wrights), and on the moon, and the computers are the first and the best, and then suddenly, instead of shouting loudly to the whole world, that - "our democracy is the main reason for our victories", why then stepped aside with the expression - everything is bad?
        If you look at all these American victories, then the picture arises such an emigrant country America lived its entire short history at the expense of visiting minds, and the fact that they themselves could not come up with was impudently appropriated

        So what did pin_ dos do it yourself? It is clear why their hypersound is skidding - the brains are over.

        All that you wrote is not true
        The number of patents granted to Edison rolls over 1000
        Tell us better how it happened that Russian geniuses were overseas.
        By the way, there was a steam engine on Mozhaisky’s plane, he couldn’t fly in principle
        After the war, the USSR brought out such a bunch of German specialists that America could only dream of talking about von Braun
        Already who rose on the German brains so we
        1. jjj
          jjj 14 May 2016 10: 20
          +8
          Quote: Beefeater
          Already who rose on the German brains so we

          About German brains. They are good for calculating and debugging technologies. And they did it.
          About Edisson. Patents were granted to him for other people's inventions. Life was such that people needed. By the way, both communism and socialism are a Western invention.
          1. zennon
            zennon 14 May 2016 13: 43
            -5
            Quote: jjj
            By the way, both communism and socialism are a Western invention.

            For export. They didn’t want this shit.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 14 May 2016 17: 25
              +3
              For export. They didn’t want this shit. ,,
              yeah, they threw us, of joy, of wild capitalism.
            2. Pilot
              Pilot 15 May 2016 20: 12
              0
              Quote: zennon
              They didn’t want this shit for themselves.

              It’s just that they don’t get it.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 15 May 2016 22: 59
            +1
            Quote: jjj
            About Edisson. Patents were granted to him for other people's inventions. Life was such that people needed. By the way, both communism and socialism are a Western invention.

            Ask Tesla about Edison laughing How they bent him, blackmailing him with access to the Amer market and providing startup capital laughing Edison is simply a dummy with the help of which real inventors were forever squeezed out of their intellectual property in exchange for a hypothetical opportunity to bring their invention to life.
            When Prokhorov and Basov announced their breakthrough invention, the Americans moved there, hinted at something retroactively, and Townes popped up from somewhere, who supposedly simultaneously invented this laser laughing
            What are German brains? Russia had its own ... But to be in the forefront in all aspects of the scientific and technological revolution, no state has succeeded and will not succeed ... Some state will succeed in electronics, but lag behind in biotechnology, and some to excel in mechanics, but in nuclear technology to be a complete zero. And what, on the grounds that they have attracted the Germans to the area where they pulled ahead, declare that they have risen on German brains? Some kind of stupidity laughing
        2. andj61
          andj61 14 May 2016 12: 34
          +16
          Quote: Beefeater
          All that you wrote is not true
          The number of patents granted to Edison rolls over 1000

          This is not entirely true! stop The number of patents granted to Edison is huge, but after the first success Edison was no longer an engineer, but a company, he had a lot of people working for him, who he trivially appropriated or bought cheaply. He was also engaged in industrial activities. espionage and often patented ideas invented not at all by him. Only such edison in the United States is no longer painfully observed. 10 years ago, the Americans themselves joked that an American university is the place where Russian professors teach Chinese students. Now, professors are becoming Chinese in many ways.
          1. kush62
            kush62 14 May 2016 18: 26
            +11
            10 years ago, the Americans themselves joked that an American university is the place where Russian professors teach Chinese students. Now, professors are becoming Chinese in many ways.
          2. Azitral
            Azitral 14 May 2016 21: 16
            +4
            Tesla (and he was not very fond of the former patron) spoke about T.A. Edison, as a true genius of methodicality. And, about merit as an engineer: one sound recording is enough to be considered great. He was just as good as a manager and businessman. Such a rare quality. But he made one terrible mistake in his life: he offended Kolya Rubankin. Therefore, Edison is still incomparable with General Electric. And then I would have been a supermonopolist. The richest man on earth.
          3. Come on
            Come on 15 May 2016 06: 22
            0
            View the ranking of countries for inventions and patents, in percent. Very surprised.
            1. KCA
              KCA 15 May 2016 10: 24
              +3
              the fact is that the USSR did not recognize the US patent system, those, of course, in response, therefore, patents in the USA were easily issued for inventions made in the USSR, but on the contrary it was somehow not accepted, all the achievements belong to the people, not to the private trader company, that’s such a jamb
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 15 May 2016 21: 56
              +1
              Interest is an interesting thing, but often very deceiving! It is better to pay attention to the content of not a small part of these patents, you will be unpleasantly surprised.
        3. Portolan
          Portolan 14 May 2016 12: 35
          0
          Quote: Beefeater
          All that you wrote is not true


          you don’t know anything, and there’s nothing to talk about with you ...
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 14 May 2016 15: 56
            -10%
            Quote: Portolan
            Quote: Beefeater
            All that you wrote is not true


            you don’t know anything, and there’s nothing to talk about with you ...
            of course i don't know
            In our history there has already been a stage of universal praise of our own achievements
            Little blood and foreign territory
            Are you a fan of stepping on a rake?
            1. Portolan
              Portolan 14 May 2016 16: 22
              +1
              Quote: Beefeater
              In our history there has already been a stage of universal praise of our own achievements


              and what is this stage?
        4. KCA
          KCA 15 May 2016 10: 17
          +2
          Obtaining a patent is not an invention, just some clever people stole, at best they bought other people's ideas and applied for a patent, the patent office is considering the application, and if no one has applied for such an invention before, and has not filed a protest during the review process, the patent issued. I can say about the Germans about my city - Dubna, the Germans overtook a lot, and physicists, and rocket scientists, and aircraft designers, and just meat (they built houses, and actually the entire right-bank side of the Volga), but I have never met enthusiastic reviews about incredible German successes at the Raduga ICB (rockets, cruise missiles), DMZ (aircraft), JINR (fundamental and applied physics, the world's first synchrophasotron, reactors, other accelerators), yes, the Germans were, but they did not do the work of leading designers , engineers, scientists, like, say, von Braun, but a simple junior, sometimes senior scientific or engineering staff, yes, they invented something, improved something, but they were not hellish geniuses who moved everything and everyone forward
        5. Pilot
          Pilot 15 May 2016 20: 10
          -1
          Quote: Beefeater
          Already who rose on the German brains so we

          Where does this information come from? Probably the media?
        6. yehat
          yehat 16 May 2016 11: 54
          +3
          1. Well, you don’t think that Edison invented 1000 inventions worthy of a patent? If you think, then you should be treated.
          2. Mozhaysky's aircraft passed official tests. A separation and flight was recorded. This is a historical fact, but you say sad nonsense.
          3. Allies captured the main industrial centers of Germany and the vast majority of specialists were under their control. The USSR, too, was a bit overwhelmed, but much less so.
          Finally, you should read the memoirs of the Germans to understand how many valuable specialists left for the United States from 1890 to 1970. These are not tens or hundreds - tens of thousands. You will read and understand the bitterness of the Germans, who are depressed by the fact that, in fact, they have grown the technological power of their enemy.
      3. Aqela
        Aqela 14 May 2016 13: 23
        +1
        Penicillin - a finger to the sky. Ermolyeva did it in 1943, while Flemming did it in the mid-30s. The trick is that the Americans did not share technology, so Ermolyeva made a very successful "reverse design".

        http://elementy.ru/trefil/21188/Otkrytie_penitsillina
        In 1928, Alexander Fleming conducted an ordinary experiment in the course of many years of research devoted to the study of the struggle of the human body with bacterial infections. Growing colonies of the Staphylococcus culture, he found that some of the culture dishes were infected with Penicillium mildew, a substance that causes the bread to turn green when it lays long. Around each mold spot, Fleming noticed an area in which there were no bacteria. From this, he concluded that mold produces a substance that kills bacteria. He subsequently isolated a molecule, now known as penicillin. This was the first modern antibiotic.
        The principle of the antibiotic is to inhibit or suppress the chemical reaction necessary for the existence of bacteria. Penicillin blocks the molecules involved in the construction of new bacterial cell walls - it looks like the chewing gum glued to the key prevents the lock from being opened. (Penicillin has no effect on humans or animals, because the outer shells of our cells are fundamentally different from bacterial cells.)
        During the 1930s, unsuccessful attempts were made to improve the quality of penicillin and other antibiotics, having learned how to get them in a fairly pure form. The first antibiotics resembled most modern anti-cancer drugs - it was unclear whether the drug would kill the causative agent before it killed the patient. And only in 1938, two scientists at Oxford University, Howard Florey (1898–1968) and Ernst Chain (Ernst Chain, 1906–79), managed to isolate the pure form of penicillin. Due to the great demand for medicines during the Second World War, the mass production of this medicine began already in 1943. In 1945, Fleming, Flory, and Chain were awarded the Nobel Prize for their work.

        and from another source:
        In the USSR, the first samples of penicillin were received in 1942 by microbiologists Z. V. Ermolyev and T. I. Balezin. Zinaida Vissarionovna Ermolyeva actively participated in organizing the industrial production of penicillin. The VIEM penicillin-crustosin drug she created was obtained from a strain of the fungus of the species Penicillium crustosum.
      4. Aqela
        Aqela 14 May 2016 13: 24
        0
        About penicillin:
        Penicillin - the first antibiotic - obtained on the basis of the vital products of microorganisms. It was isolated in 1928 by Alexander Fleming from a strain of the fungus of the Penicillium notatum species on the basis of a random discovery: the ingestion of mold spores from the external medium into the bacterial culture had a bactericidal effect on the bacterial culture [7] [8].

        In 1940-1941, the English bacteriologist Howard W. Flory and biochemists Ernst Cheyne and Norman W. Heatley worked on the isolation of penicillin and developed the technology for its industrial production, first in England and then in the USA. They first used penicillin to treat bacterial infections in 1941. In 1945, Fleming, Flory, and Chain were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine "for the discovery of penicillin and its healing effects in various infectious diseases."

        and further:
        http://www.7ya.ru/article/Penicillin-kak-otkrytie-Fleminga-prevratilos-v-antibio

        tik /
        Soviet penicillin
        In 1941, the USSR received secret information that a powerful antimicrobial preparation was created in England on the basis of some kind of fungi of the genus Penicillium. The Soviet Union immediately began working in this direction, and already in 1942, the Soviet microbiologist Zinaida Ermolyeva received penicillin from the mold Penicillium Crustosum taken from the wall of one of the bomb shelters in Moscow. In 1944, Ermolieva, after much observation and research, decided to test her drug on the wounded. Her penicillin was a miracle for field doctors and a saving chance for many wounded soldiers.
        Undoubtedly, the discovery and works of Ermolieva are no less significant than the works of Flory and Chain. They saved many lives and allowed the production of penicillin, so necessary for the front. However, the Soviet drug was obtained in a makeshift way in amounts that completely did not meet the needs of domestic health care.
        In 1947, a semi-factory installation was created at the All-Union Scientific Research Chemical-Pharmaceutical Institute (VNIHFI). This technology on an enlarged scale formed the basis of the first penicillin factories built in Moscow and Riga. In this case, a yellow amorphous product of low activity was obtained, which also caused an increase in temperature in patients. At the same time, penicillin received from abroad did not produce side effects.
        The USSR could not buy penicillin industrial production technologies: in the USA there was a ban on the sale of any technology related to it. However, Ernst Chain, the author and owner of an English patent for obtaining penicillin of the right quality, offered his help to the Soviet Union. In September 1948, the commission of Soviet scientists, having completed work, returned to their homeland. The results were issued in the form of industrial regulations and successfully introduced into production at one of the Moscow plants.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 14 May 2016 13: 48
          -13%
          Does anyone understand at all. that penicillin is only a name and in nature it is not. But! There is a microbiological substance, which under certain conditions receives a favorable environment for reproduction, which can be used in the treatment of some, I note some pathogenic phenomena in the human body. So, apparently, the evolution of man is not necessary to explain. Therefore, there is no guarantee that a microorganism called penicillin will evolve at the same rate as a person. This means that there is a possibility that it can become poison. Therefore, we need a method. which would make it possible to discover and create the same medicines, to create coupled with changes in the external and generally magnetic field of a person and individual organs. Why talk about magnetism? Because it is a magnetic field that creates favorable or vice versa conditions for the growth or destruction of the corresponding microorganisms of any level. Just as a person is not able to exist in the potential of any other levels of magnetic fields. Well this is so popular fields.
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 15 May 2016 03: 50
            +3
            Is the full moon again over Ukraine? .. laughing
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 15 May 2016 21: 58
              +3
              And not one !!! wassat
            2. gridasov
              gridasov 16 May 2016 11: 40
              -6
              To what extent should the human mind be limited in order to come up with fairy tales about the world order and at the same time think that everything is true. The level of development of modern man no longer corresponds to the processes in which he drove himself.
        2. Portolan
          Portolan 14 May 2016 14: 14
          +6
          Quote: Aqela
          about penicillin - a finger into the sky. Ermolyeva made it in 1943, while Fleming in the mid-30s. The trick is that those Americans


          Ermolyeva also received her own Krustazin not 40x, but worked with him for a long time. The first positive experiments on this mold were obtained even before Yermolyeva, in the book by Kaverin about this is well described.
          As for Fleming, it was Krustazin that he could not isolate from the culture and only stated healing properties. Namely, the medicine itself was obtained during the war and from Ermolva too, but Ermolieva received her crustazin in the form of powder suitable for storage and better use, so stick your finger away ...
      5. The Voice of the Shrieker
        The Voice of the Shrieker 14 May 2016 14: 52
        +2
        To this list can be added the US atomic program, which was done by scientists brought from Europe (Germans, British). In general, if not for World War II, America would remain, as Obama said about Russia, a state of a regional scale. Only scientists and engineers, who emigrated and exported from Germany, raised the level of science and technology. Einstein alone is worth something! Nowadays there are few smart emigrants, the flight of scientists from Russia in the 2s sweetened the pill a little. The huge salaries with which they lured scientists are already available not only in America, and the state of the economy is no longer the same. Therefore, without the infusion of "new blood", America's prospects are unenviable.
        1. Portolan
          Portolan 14 May 2016 15: 09
          0
          except Einstein, everything is correct, Einstein was a theorist and in some ways a plagiarist.
        2. yehat
          yehat 16 May 2016 12: 03
          0
          Italians and a number of Scandinavian mathematicians also played a large role in the Manhattan project.
      6. kush62
        kush62 14 May 2016 18: 16
        +1
        I do not agree only with -Ponyatov-video recorder
        video recorder
      7. trantor
        trantor 14 May 2016 18: 48
        0
        Quote: Portolan
        It is clear why their hypersound is skidding - the brains are over.

        They would still break the printing press so that the money runs out too.
      8. yehat
        yehat 16 May 2016 11: 46
        0
        it’s not only a matter of brains; the luggage of knowledge stolen from the USSR at its collapse ended.
        the ATF project, F-22 was on its last legs and was bent, and if it hadn’t been for a powerful supply of technology from the USSR, it would have ended in zilch.
        Western science is extremely sparingly funding basic science, I believe that at least 99% of the money goes to applied science. And without serious fundamental knowledge, it will not be possible to push a project that is even difficult to experience. So they stumble on every problem.
        Now they are stuck in the blocking of communication and instead of theoretical studies, they are doing a modeling project, where they will blindly try to solve the issue by the "poke" method. Not because they are stupid, but because they have NO other methods.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 16 May 2016 12: 15
          -5
          I will not undertake to discuss secondary issues. It is important to note that you nevertheless note that the problem is in the methods of analyzing those processes that cannot be analyzed with modern mathematical methods. And these processes include "hypersonic" flight speeds. Therefore, I argue that if the code in "machine" processing is combined with a number and use what I call the function of its constant value, then such processes as the speed of code processing becomes independent of the processes associated with their input, movement, etc. etc. That is, the speed of data processing becomes, in fact, a secondary function by value.
          In general, it is worth saying that a person did not invent the number itself, but its symbol and comprehended the properties of the number only in part of its functions, with which only low-potential physical processes can be analyzed. The very essence of the number, which is inherent in the nature of the universe, remains completely unknown. So I’m talking about such new properties of the number, which basically make it possible to analyze complex and highly dynamic processes. This is unbelievable, but true.
    3. Navigator
      Navigator 14 May 2016 23: 52
      +4
      To become the king of the sea, one hypersonic missile is not enough. A whole range of means is needed to effectively use this missile, for example, target designation. Orlan will not even be able to approach the AUG at the range of weapon use, if, as they say, the range of the Zircon is 400-500 km. The creation of such a rocket is, of course, just super. But the scales will not outweigh on our side, so there is no need to save up hats to throw over the enemy.
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 May 2016 12: 08
        -1
        you overestimate the possibilities of location.
        Now even a large group of ships has a decent chance to approach the distance of a massive salvo of anti-ship missiles from the AUG.
        The problem is different - aiming at the target. After the destruction of the Atlantic forces tracking group (and not only), it became difficult for the RF forces to issue accurate target designation at the right time. Part of the problem is solved by the fact that each AUG is monitored by its own submarine.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 May 2016 22: 10
        0
        if, as they write, the Zircon's range is 400-500 km
        key phrase: "if, as they say." This range is only within the framework of bilateral agreements. Which in the event of a real war will be forgotten in the first second of the database.
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 14 May 2016 05: 55
    +21
    How pleasant it is to charge positive in the morning)))
    As far as I know, warheads flying almost at hypersound were made for ICBMs back in the USSR, Putin in 2004 warned "partners" that Russia was conducting tests that would nullify all attempts in the field of missile defense. So it was possible to solve the problems of trajectory control after breeding the BB. Accuracy is multiplied, CEP is minimal.
    These warheads even without explosives, just like a blank with enormous kinetic energy, will inflict enormous damage, and already equipped with explosives, even more so.
    And this means that we have the means for a non-nuclear disarming strike!
    1. jjj
      jjj 14 May 2016 10: 21
      +1
      Soon there will be no passage from meteorites
    2. kush62
      kush62 14 May 2016 18: 36
      -1
      ImPertz (1) Today, 05:55 AM
      How pleasant it is to charge positive in the morning)))
      As far as I know, warheads flying almost at hypersound were made for ICBMs back in the USSR, Putin in 2004 warned "partners" that Russia was conducting tests that would nullify all attempts in the field of missile defense. So it was possible to solve the problems of trajectory control after breeding the BB. Accuracy is multiplied, CEP is minimal.
      These warheads even without explosives, just like a blank with enormous kinetic energy, will inflict enormous damage, and already equipped with explosives, even more so.
      And this means that we have the means for a non-nuclear disarming strike!

      But already boil boiling water
      U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Wark said the Pentagon is extremely concerned about the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about stopping a possible threat to the Russian Federation due to the deployment of US missile defense systems in Poland and Romania, the Wall Street Journal reports.
  3. Приговор
    Приговор 14 May 2016 06: 02
    +2
    It’s wonderful to please our sworn partners. We are waiting for new and various minor dirty tricks, provocations, attacks on our president and further demonization of Russia. In this component the masters of the Anglo-Saxons have no equal.
  4. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 14 May 2016 06: 24
    -15%
    more bullshit from people who don’t know what’s going on with the top-secret program
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 14 May 2016 08: 05
      -8
      what's the point of talking about a project? no one is going to share real information
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 08: 17
        +8
        You do not lay out drawings in the public domain?
        1. godofwar6699
          godofwar6699 14 May 2016 08: 39
          -4
          tell me what is the point? if the program is top secret
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 08: 56
            +2
            So after all, it is not we who are concerned about covering this problem, but our sworn "friends" and "partners"
            From an article, the reputable magazine National Interest published an article stating that Russia conducts state tests of a hypersonic missile called the Zircon.
            1. godofwar6699
              godofwar6699 14 May 2016 09: 34
              -7
              National Interest needs more money for weapons so they scare their readers
              1. Kos_kalinki9
                Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 09: 47
                +1
                And what has the National Interest already been replaced by Pengagon and NATO? An interesting magazine. The chief editor probably goes to the service with a bazooka. wassat
                1. jjj
                  jjj 14 May 2016 10: 22
                  +19
                  Until "Vestnik Mordovii" confirms, I will not believe
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 14 May 2016 10: 03
            -1
            Quote: godofwar6699
            tell me what is the point? if the program is top secret

            ... counter-question - who made it closed?
            Previously wrote -
            The prospectiveness / non-prospectiveness of the scramjet engine is actively discussed in the scientific community (and falls out to the public hypertrophically), mainly because many parameters with such an engine remain uncertain. On earth, it is impossible to test them by field modeling. It is both costly and not tangible. Even well-funded projects like X-30 (USA, Rockwell's 80xx) were canceled before experimental models were created.
            Under the Soviet Union, funding was in progress, it stopped with the collapse of the state. But, by this moment they managed to come to the material realization of the research, the "hardware" was ready.
            Then, the Yankees introduced practical results. And they got excited

            By the way, such an interesting moment, if cooperation with the French went completely on trusting relationships - with the exchange of opinions, disputes. Then from the Yankees - on the "valve" - ​​in one direction. Up to the point that they installed their own flight data collection system and practically did not share information with us ...

            http://topwar.ru/35720-giperzvukovoy-zud-ili-chto-mogut-letatelnye-apparaty-na-g

            iperzvuke.html #

            Despite the fact that they were given all the early results of the GLL "Cold" test. And they also installed their equipment on our test aircraft with HLL.
            These are the "partners" they are!
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 May 2016 12: 05
              +3
              And what about the scramjet - the problems with it have already been solved, they added plasma ignition to the combustion chamber and added a combination - the unit will take off and accelerate to supersonic speed on jet engines, and then the scramjet will start working, the fuel corresponding to kerosene - hydrogen and material for hypersonic devices found the optimal - tantalum carbide - melting point 3880 degrees.
              1. yehat
                yehat 16 May 2016 12: 26
                +1
                for reference: tantalum carbide is clean enough to withstand the necessary modes,
                It will cost from $ 4500 per kg, and I think even more.
                the engine and the contours of the apparatus (roughly) will contain at least a ton of such an alloy.
                1000 * 4500 = $ 4.5 million and this is only for materials.
                Given the difficulties in manufacturing, the cost of an apparatus with such material will be 200 million, if not more. And this is without the cost of R&D and other expenses.
                As a result, we get an expensive aircraft, which we can only produce piece by piece due to price and material shortages. The titanium SR-71 is cheap compared to it.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 16 May 2016 12: 37
                  -5
                  But I can quite reasonably assert that ordinary alloyed steels, and most importantly with the effect of magnetization, can provide correct polarization or controlled ionization, and this, on the contrary, will drastically reduce the cost of aircraft. Moreover, they will allow changing the shape of the aircraft for higher speeds and "longitudinal" flight and maneuvering capabilities. That is, the possibility of drastically braking or reducing the speed and acceleration along new vectors.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 May 2016 19: 58
                  0
                  When organizing mass production, the cost of the material will decrease simply covering the surface of the most heated structural elements, and everything else tungsten, titanium, nickel, carbon fiber - such reusable hypersonic devices will cost up to one billion dollars apiece.
          3. gridasov
            gridasov 14 May 2016 13: 14
            -2
            In analytics, there is a method when the analysis is carried out for indirect reasons of different levels. Therefore, any super-secrecy instantly becomes an object of ridicule, since it is already obvious that in order to achieve a stable flight of an aircraft at hyperspeeds, it is achieved by technologies that humanity simply does not have. More precisely, all types of motion in space are equivalent to magnetic force processes around any body. But for some reason, everyone forgets about the state of the body in a dynamic state, when the magnetic forces are redistributed in the proportions of longitudinal, rotational, magnetic fluxes in the "everted" vector. And if these processes are not controlled. and just look for materials, then where can you find a material whose satisfactory properties can be obtained only in its highly dynamic state relative to the medium and the external magnetic field. Therefore, top-secret technologies for achieving hyperspeed will remain an achievement, but not a user level.
          4. KCA
            KCA 15 May 2016 10: 30
            +1
            by indirect signs, you can find out some details, the age of the Internet, tenders, information about public procurement, etc., now I can't find it, I came across a review on "4202" with documentation of what and who should do for him, without details, general information and cost of work
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 15 May 2016 11: 04
              -4
              You are talking about the secondary aspect of the issue. All this is already derivative. In this case, I'm talking about those fundamental issues that will allow you to get completely new consumer properties from the fact that the opportunity will be achieved, at least understanding the essence of that. what is called hypersonic speed. Then all derivatives will have new values. You understand that in order to achieve the capabilities of a controlled and safe flight at hyperspeeds (by the way, much higher than indicated by contemporaries), it is necessary to know and combine all the so-called types of movement. And the types of motion are nothing more than a combination of magnetic force interactions of different combination potential. We, as people, do not consider these processes at all. Therefore, apparently and fruitless our attempts to show, or rather to explain the essence of the "new turbine", which can operate at rotor speeds much higher than the destruction thresholds of the most modern and perfect turbine.
  5. kiparis
    kiparis 14 May 2016 06: 31
    +2
    Such pride is for our gunsmiths! Well done! There are more heads!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 May 2016 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: kiparis
      Such pride is for our gunsmiths! Well done! There are more heads!

      For now, we should hold back joyful exclamations about this. We will rejoice when Sarmat becomes on duty and equips Nakhimov and then Peter and Atlantes with Zircon. And now there are tests and conclusions and refinements will be made based on their results.
      Regarding secrecy, I’ll say that everything is correct. The dog barks, the caravan moves on. And the mattress taxpayers are no longer as frightened as during the Cold War, judging by the fact that the defense budget is being cut.
    2. yehat
      yehat 16 May 2016 12: 29
      0
      but what have the gunsmiths? It's about technology as such.
  6. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 14 May 2016 07: 03
    +13
    In recent years, the United States has arrogantly threatened the world with its concept of a global lightning strike, which suggests that high-precision means must be able to massively hit targets in any country declared an enemy of America within an hour.

    3 heroes are going through the forest. Towards the Musketeers. Word for word, who should give way to whom ... D'Artagnan challenges Ilya to a duel and says:
    - Athos! Put him a cross on his left shoulder - there I will strike with lightning speed and just the first time, he will not have time to react, another cross on the right and the last on the chest.
    Ilya:
    - Dobrynya, sprinkle it with chalk, I will hit with a club.
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 May 2016 07: 11
    +19
    When all this beautiful things will be in the troops and the guys, and not the journalists, will say "Guys, this is a thing !!!", then I will take a mug, pour half a bottle of cognac into it and drink it while standing! And let the "lousy women" frown at my barbarism. winked
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 14 May 2016 07: 33
      +6
      I am for". As they say - do not share the skin of an unkilled bear. It's one thing to shout at the world that we have something (the Americans are able to brag about this, for example, the F-35), another thing to adopt and to cool off hot heads to conduct a demonstration launch of an already adopted model soldier smile
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 14 May 2016 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: Captive
        When all this beautiful things will be in the troops and the guys, and not the journalists, will say "Guys, this is a thing !!!", then I will take a mug, pour half a bottle of cognac into it and drink it while standing! And let the "lousy women" frown at my barbarism. winked


        The development of weapons and technology is endless.
        When they put one thing, another direction will appear, also "decisive" and it is not a fact that the Americans have quieted down because they have nothing to brag about.
        Great things have been appearing constantly in the troops lately (Iskander, Caliber, Su-34, Su-35, Borey, Ash-tree .....), so there’s always something to raise for
        drinks


        Quote: Rurikovich
        I am for". As they say - do not share the skin of an unkilled bear. It's one thing to shout at the world that we have something (the Americans are able to brag about this, for example, the F-35), another thing to adopt and to cool off hot heads to conduct a demonstration launch of an already adopted model soldier smile


        Do not forget about information weapons, which are now no less powerful than nuclear ones.

        AI can plunge the state into such financial expenses that no nuclear or hypersound is needed

        In addition, an information strike can distract from other directions, which may not be as loud as "hypersound" or "lasers", but very effective, which will change the balance of power and help solve current geopolitical problems.
    2. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 14 May 2016 07: 45
      +5
      The captive! I'm with you!!!
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 07: 59
        +3
        Well then for three. And somehow it’s not in Russian.
        1. ametist415
          ametist415 14 May 2016 11: 39
          -11%
          They make a real brandy in the West. So once again you fucked ..t. Captives.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 14: 47
            +1
            We talk in Armenian. Not at a bar like you.
            1. ametist415
              ametist415 14 May 2016 15: 41
              -6
              We talk in Armenian. Not at a bar like you.

              There, too, everything is captured. "Armenian" cognac belongs to Western companies. Again, the West nae..l. The net is full of information about the drunk. Watch the lectures of at least Zhdanov, maybe you wiser.
              1. Prisoner
                Prisoner 14 May 2016 16: 21
                +1
                Don’t fuss, Johnny. We can please the body with alcohol. As correctly said Kos_kalinki9 not the bar. smile Alcohol at least ours or also "pushed" to the West? laughing
                1. Kos_kalinki9
                  Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 16: 56
                  0
                  . We can please the body with alcohol
                  But to the extremes, if Johnny says that the alcohol is American, we’ll have to scrub the pervach, double distillation and side all the white horses.
    3. ametist415
      ametist415 14 May 2016 11: 35
      -8
      If everyone does this, Russia will come ... It’s good that not everyone is like you.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 14 May 2016 14: 34
        +3
        Who is all this? -This time.
        Try it! There are two.
        Well, then the language is shallow, it's three.
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 14 May 2016 08: 05
    +2
    The prototype is not a finished product. When even hypersound enters the troops, even God does not know, but tryndet on this topic is too early. Only after testing will it become clear - it’s gone, it’s not gone, it will become clear with the preparation of the infrastructure and technical support, but it’s too early.
  9. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 14 May 2016 08: 12
    +5
    Blah blah blah, the author has not conveyed anything new to us. The fact that the USSR still achieved tangible success in hypersound we know, and what is now called the success of various design bureaus for manufacturing and putting on stream the production of new ICBMs can be considered as preserving that reserve, but there is certainly progress in new developments, but we will learn about them not yet soon and we’ll not see videos on the MO channel in YouTube.
  10. Izotovp
    Izotovp 14 May 2016 08: 19
    +7
    Yes, none of the people specifically associated with this topic in our country are in a hurry to hurry. All these are people nearby and about. That's when there will be first practical launches, then ours will modestly report on these successes))). And please our sworn friends. Anti-ship systems are especially relevant.
    And the successes achieved are again the merits of fundamental science.
  11. aba
    aba 14 May 2016 08: 29
    +3
    Quote: Captive
    When all this beauty is in the army and the guys, and not the journalists, will say "Guys, this is a thing !!!"


    Each leak of classified information in the media is like a call to our "friends" in the West, who pursue different goals:
    - if infa is reliable, then how to appeal to cool down, which means that there are already significant successes
    - if not, then this goal should be put on a false track and forced to spend large sums of money on solving a nonexistent problem, as the state has already announced that they will allocate 23 billion for laser weapons.

    So, anyway, we have a good handicap.
    1. Come on
      Come on 15 May 2016 11: 21
      +2
      And what good is it that the States will tighten their combat laser program? After all, there are already quite compact, on the APC hull, confidently beating at 3km everything that flies, from 82mm mines. German HEL for example. The mattresses have their own achievements. It would not have happened that they scared us so far, but essentially had nothing, the mattresses will have a ready-made answer.
  12. merivoy
    merivoy 14 May 2016 08: 33
    -1
    the question arises - "why actually?" Why did this beacon of Western democracy and the focus of the best Western representatives of intellectual labor suddenly behave so modestly? After all, Americans are always the first in the air (wrights), and on the moon, and the computers are the first and the best, and then suddenly, instead of shouting loudly to the whole world, that - "our democracy is the main reason for our victories", why then stepped aside with the expression - everything is bad?
    If you look at all these American victories, then the picture arises such an emigrant country America lived its entire short history at the expense of visiting minds, and the fact that they themselves could not come up with was impudently appropriated
    What for?! The USSR is gone, there is no competitor, the arms race is over. The United States has invested 25 years in the civilian manufacturing sector, where they got rich.
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 14 May 2016 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: merivoy
      the question arises - "why actually?" Why did this beacon of Western democracy and the focus of the best Western representatives of intellectual labor suddenly behave so modestly? After all, Americans are always the first in the air (wrights), and on the moon, and the computers are the first and the best, and then suddenly, instead of shouting loudly to the whole world, that - "our democracy is the main reason for our victories", why then stepped aside with the expression - everything is bad?
      If you look at all these American victories, then the picture arises such an emigrant country America lived its entire short history at the expense of visiting minds, and the fact that they themselves could not come up with was impudently appropriated
      What for?! The USSR is gone, there is no competitor, the arms race is over. The United States has invested 25 years in the civilian manufacturing sector, where they got rich.

      I don’t know what they got rich in, they have 18 trillion of public debt, not trillions of 80 domestic debts in particular in medicine
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 May 2016 08: 36
    +3
    “Russian hypersonic devices are likely to be able to carry a nuclear charge, since this is the norm for Russia.”

    I would add that he spoke out with the fate of the doomed. fellow
  14. RedBaron
    RedBaron 14 May 2016 09: 14
    0
    The expert claims that the American hypersonic program is inferior to the Russian one both in scale and technological characteristics.

    Ekgspert suggests that Gd disposes ... What can one guess about the country's secret program with a defense budget of half a trillion?
    It will be able to carry hypersonic warheads and the P-30 "Bulava" - the latest Russian three-stage solid-fuel rocket, designed to arm the promising nuclear-powered submarine strategic rocket carriers of the 955 "Borey" project. Up to ten hypersonic maneuvering nuclear units of individual guidance can be carried by each Bulava and hit targets in a radius of up to 8 thousand km.

    The main thing is that the latest hypersonic missiles cost an order of magnitude more expensive, re-equipment will also pull more than one billion. How many of these missiles will be needed? America managed to draw everyone into an arms race ....
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 14 May 2016 13: 52
      -1
      Are you talking? Well, try it. The main thing is not to get involved
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 14 May 2016 17: 38
      0
      America managed to draw everyone into the arms race .... ,,
      I don’t think I took it and pulled it in. It’s just that every weapon has a certain period of use-storage. Modernization gives some time, then the time comes and a new weapon is needed. Until the whole world renounces violence, this can go on forever.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 May 2016 22: 20
        0
        weapons with the longest shelf life / use - cobblestone if anything wassat
        (as a joke)
  15. sardine
    sardine 14 May 2016 09: 53
    +2
    And of course, air-based cruise missiles on the Tu-160M ​​and Tu-95M strategic bombers will also be equipped with “4202 objects”


    Explain to me, the amateur, the connection between the X-55, X-101/102, flying at a subsonic speed at low and ultra-low altitude, and hypersonic equipment, flying, everyone knows, at altitudes much more than the RC.
  16. Lumumba
    Lumumba 14 May 2016 10: 05
    +3
    In the Soviet Union, engineers knew how to squeeze everything possible out of "iron". Therefore, characteristic analogues in production came out cheaper, and thanks to the planned economy, they adapted to production faster. Where the Amer spends conditionally, a million, ours will spend one hundred thousand.

    They know how now. Only now we have a market economy like the Amers, while maintaining the Soviet engineering school. And this means the "arms race" will become a double-edged problem. Amers will have to turn on all available printing and non-printing presses at full capacity to keep up.

    Our breakthrough in hypersound, first of all, will require consolidation of efforts on Amer projects, and their engineers will not work for less than 150 thousand dollars a year. I am not even talking about top management. So the Americans will sit in a puddle. We do not need to produce hundreds of PAK FAs, for example, in response to hundreds of under-aircraft F-35, since with twice the superior combat and operational capabilities, it costs half the price.
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 14 May 2016 11: 51
      -11%
      PAR for PAK stolen from the Americans. We have a lag in electronics and control systems for a very long time. Without this, the super nano-rocket will fly in the wrong direction. It is advantageous for the United States that the Russians believe that American weapons are shit, and theirs are the best, and it doesn’t care that the handle comes off in front of the president in the “best” military jeep, and the door does not open.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 May 2016 12: 33
        +5
        Quote: ametist415
        The headlamp for PAK was stolen from the Americans.

        Is there evidence? For example, the development of a sea-based F-35 with vertical take-off mattresses are trimmed after asking for documentation on the Yak-41.
        Quote: ametist415
        Without this, the super nano-rocket will not fly there.

        Gauges, Granites, Onyxes and Brahmos fly like that ... apparently they accidentally find their goals. what
        While the mattresses were engaged in SOI, fleet, etc., the USSR and later the Russian Federation moved in rocket science. That is why now, mattresses are behind us in this matter. And this is a fact. A simple example is the RD-180 we do not buy from them, but they from us.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 14 May 2016 15: 23
          -1
          Quote: NEXUS
          While the mattresses were engaged in SOI, fleet, etc., the USSR and later the Russian Federation moved in rocket science. That is why now, mattresses are behind us in this matter.

          That’s how, and that mixed fuels have already reached the same quality as Minuteman-3? And what about hydrogen engines, which weren’t anywhere except Energy, and they had amers on every shuttle

          Quote: NEXUS
          A simple example is the RD-180, we do not buy from them, but they from us.

          And military satellites launch at them, loud applause turning into a standing ovation ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 May 2016 15: 53
            +3
            Quote: sa-ag
            What about hydrogen engines, which besides Energy were nowhere to be found, and the amers have them on every shuttle stood

            I highlighted the main thing. And I really apologize, but where is the shuttle program now, and what do amers have today from the carriers?
            Quote: sa-ag
            That’s how, and that mixed fuels have already reached the quality that Minuteman 3 has?

            But don’t you remind you of the cravings of the Voivode and of the Militia? And if you are talking about storage, this moment is absolutely not critical.
  17. Beefeater
    Beefeater 14 May 2016 10: 18
    0
    Russia, as a weaker side, which has neither allies nor a powerful branched navy, is simply forced to confront its opponents ahead of them in military-technical construction, and in the most advanced areas
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 14 May 2016 11: 53
      -9
      Land Cruiser shit, UAZ Patriot force.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 May 2016 12: 33
        +7
        Quote: ametist415
        Land Cruiser shit, UAZ Patriot force.

        Abrams, surely, Armata-force.
        1. ametist415
          ametist415 14 May 2016 16: 02
          -2
          Abrams, surely, Armata-force.

          By the way, American designers and ours respect each other, they are developing high-tech weapons, errors can be there and there. Smart people with developed intellect and imaginative thinking work there, and they do not allow mocking at each other. This is the lot of very limited people.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 May 2016 16: 21
            +2
            Quote: ametist415
            It lot of very limited people.

            My post was on yours, where you demonstrated what I highlighted.
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner 14 May 2016 16: 26
            +5
            "Land Cruiser shit, UAZ Patriot power." (C) Judging by this pearl, you are not a designer. winked
            1. ametist415
              ametist415 14 May 2016 17: 10
              -1
              It's sarcasm. Allegories. UAZ - this is our defense industry, if you do not understand. Our military technologies also lag behind the western ones, just like bicycles, televisions, tiles, etc.
              1. Portolan
                Portolan 14 May 2016 17: 17
                -1
                Quote: ametist415
                Our military technologies are also lagging behind the western ones,


                and what are we behind?
          3. kotvov
            kotvov 14 May 2016 17: 42
            0
            This is the lot of very limited people. ,,
            as you demonstrated ,, Land Cruiser shit, UAZ Patriot force. ,,
            1. Come on
              Come on 15 May 2016 11: 44
              +2
              Start comparing what is really in service, and not development, plans and all kinds of statements, you will see where we are behind.
    2. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 14 May 2016 13: 48
      0
      A citizen in a French uniform ... And with what Russia was suddenly weak? Even in the 90s, bourgeoisie could get an answer. They took it not by force but by propaganda
      Ps Insanely beautiful uniform!))))
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 14 May 2016 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
        A citizen in a French uniform ... And with what Russia was suddenly weak? Even in the 90s, bourgeoisie could get an answer. They took it not by force but by propaganda
        Ps Insanely beautiful uniform!))))

        For all conventional weapons, we are inferior to NATO at times
        We lost the arms race to the Americans
        Even then, having at hand the Warsaw Pact and the countries of the socialist Commonwealth as well as working people of the whole world and the Fleet numerically equal to the American

        So now we have fewer resources than then
        One hope is that there are fewer fools in power and we will be able to properly dispose of our opportunities
        1. Come on
          Come on 15 May 2016 11: 46
          +1
          Are you so sure about the fools that there are fewer of them? :)
  18. Borus017
    Borus017 14 May 2016 10: 25
    +6
    Made hypersonic war block... But this is not a full-fledged aircraft, but a warhead capable of aerodynamically maneuvering, already accelerated by a rocket. Great. No one has an engine for it yet - you never know what works at the stand. Last year, the British wrote about their Skylon - also the engine "is about to be". Americans wanted to make a full-fledged apparatus with engine - it doesn't work yet. The "glider" was thrown with a rocket - it also worked out quite well.
    Conclusion - no sensations.
    1. region58
      region58 14 May 2016 14: 26
      +3
      Quote: Borus017
      They made a hypersonic warhead. But this is not a full-fledged aircraft, but a warhead capable of aerodynamically maneuvering, already dispersed by a missile. Wow. Nobody has an engine for him yet - you never know who works at the stand.

      The apogee of an ICBM is from several hundred to several thousand kilometers, and the warheads enter the atmosphere at a speed of 6-8 km. per second. If the ballistic trajectory is calculated accurate to hell knows what decimal place, then only the Almighty and the programmer from the Ministry of Defense know where the maneuvering warhead will be in the next second. Accordingly, knocking it down is an extremely problematic task. Maybe this is not a sensation, only our "partners" were combing something in the most immodest places.

      PS Yes, about hypersonic aircraft in the atmosphere everything is at the level of assumptions and conjectures, the cat wept over open information.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 May 2016 14: 31
        +3
        Quote: region58
        where in the next second the maneuvering combat unit will be known only to the Almighty and the programmer from the Ministry of Defense. Accordingly, knocking him down is an extremely problematic task.

        In this case, the anti-missile should be designed for overloads an order of magnitude higher than that of the target missile.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 May 2016 15: 25
      0
      Quote: Borus017
      The Americans wanted to make a full-fledged apparatus with an engine - so far it does not work out.

      Well yes, burning fuel at these free flow speeds is a problem
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 14 May 2016 18: 07
        -6
        What is the problem when the flight environment in the atmosphere is the initial product of any fuel? The problem is in the man himself. In his ability to analyze a lot of information. A person who does not know how to work with large volumes of information sees a great variety of information. Another can see the patterns of different levels of processes. Then everything is perceived much more clearly and more clearly.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 15 May 2016 12: 33
          +2
          Oooh, Gridasov. Burn!
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 16 May 2016 11: 45
            -3
            And in my opinion I'm talking about completely simple and understandable things. After all, the atmosphere consists of various gases and at the same time has a set of properties of the level of what water is in it in various states. And all these gases and water have a set of properties that, albeit in a primitive understanding of the chemistry of interactions, are still known. So what did I say unusual to get the cons? So the conclusion is not in my thought, but in the primitiveness and not enlightenment of the reader.
  19. Verdun
    Verdun 14 May 2016 11: 15
    +2
    But did something convince both domestic and foreign news agencies in the reality of the Russian hypersonic breakthrough?
    Russia - then still the USSR - has been deliberately developing hypersonic missiles since the early sixties. As far as I know, it was about the development of samples with a speed of about 5M. Unfortunately, during the "brilliant" rule of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, many works were curtailed. And if it is possible to move forward on the remnants of the surviving developments and knowledge, this is very gratifying. I would very much like to be sure that Zircon will be as good as expected. However, successful launches of "Brahmos" give hope for this.
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 14 May 2016 13: 44
      -1
      Judging by the flag, are you writing from the European Union? Learn about development success if you act accordingly
  20. Verdun
    Verdun 14 May 2016 11: 23
    +4
    Shortly before the May holidays, the world's leading media, referring to each other, reported on the successful testing of a hypersonic missile in our country.
    When the world media write that the Boeing in Ukraine was shot down by the Russians or that the Russians seized Crimea by force, we call them false. And when they report on Russia's success in creating weapons, they slap each other on the shoulder and talk about how great we are. Where is the logic?!
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 14 May 2016 11: 55
      -5
      It is beneficial for the West that the Russians believe in what is not.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 14 May 2016 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Verdun
      Where is the logic?!

      What is the logic when such feelings. Peremoga is evident. A couple of such articles and fervent patriots subscribe to the New York Times.
    3. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 14 May 2016 13: 41
      0
      The logic is that gentlemen with cigars need to squeeze money. Propaganda works for this.
  21. Nat1961
    Nat1961 14 May 2016 12: 59
    0
    Quote: Beefeater
    Quote: Portolan
    The expert claims that the American hypersonic program is inferior to the Russian one both in scale and technological characteristics.


    the question arises - "why actually?" Why did this beacon of Western democracy and the focus of the best Western representatives of intellectual labor suddenly behave so modestly? After all, Americans are always the first in the air (wrights), and on the moon, and the computers are the first and the best, and then suddenly, instead of shouting loudly to the whole world, that - "our democracy is the main reason for our victories", why then stepped aside with the expression - everything is bad?
    If you look at all these American victories, then the picture arises such an emigrant country America lived its entire short history at the expense of visiting minds, and the fact that they themselves could not come up with was impudently appropriated

    So what did pin_ dos do it yourself? It is clear why their hypersound is skidding - the brains are over.

    All that you wrote is not true
    The number of patents granted to Edison rolls over 1000
    Tell us better how it happened that Russian geniuses were overseas.
    By the way, there was a steam engine on Mozhaisky’s plane, he couldn’t fly in principle
    After the war, the USSR brought out such a bunch of German specialists that America could only dream of talking about von Braun
    Already who rose on the German brains so we
  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 May 2016 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Lumumba
    In the Soviet Union, engineers knew how to squeeze everything possible out of "iron". Therefore, characteristic analogues in production came out cheaper, and thanks to the planned economy, they adapted to production faster. Where the Amer spends conditionally, a million, ours will spend one hundred thousand.

    Only these are our earnings, torn from the people, and they will draw themselves as much as they want. I do not advocate saving on these things. The army should be armed, trained and ready to use. But the strength of the Americans is in their printing press. Until hegemony of the dollar is dumped, it is pointless to measure finances.
  23. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 14 May 2016 13: 38
    -1
    As they say, get a fascist grenade)))
  24. Old26
    Old26 14 May 2016 13: 53
    +5
    Quote: sardare
    And of course, air-based cruise missiles on the Tu-160M ​​and Tu-95M strategic bombers will also be equipped with “4202 objects”


    Explain to me, the amateur, the connection between the X-55, X-101/102, flying at a subsonic speed at low and ultra-low altitude, and hypersonic equipment, flying, everyone knows, at altitudes much more than the RC.

    And no one will explain this to you, including the author himself. The article is delusional and obscene. And about the placement of "objects 4202" on the TU-95 and TU-160 ...
    They want to put a product that is not a warhead, but only a prototype designed to confirm the capabilities of controlled hypersonic flight on subsonic missiles? At that time, when in tests it is accelerated by an intercontinental missile 15Y71 (15A71-35)?
    Are they going to put a product that still doesn’t fly stably even on rockets?
    The author is going to put the product, which has a length of about 5.5-7 meters and transverse dimensions comparable to the diameter of the 15Yu71 carrier, on "Yars"?
    Is the author going to put up to 10 such units on the Bulava (I’m not even talking about their dimensions) while the breeding stage has SIX warhead seats?
    So the author bears RAVE. And many are happy with the nonsense that sometimes they write in the media, I do not understand that this is not even an informational noise designed to conceal realities. Reader Articles DIVORCED (like rabbits).
    And then you read that the Russian know-how is hypersonic warheads of ICBMs, as if they are up to or supersonic on ICBMs. Then the "demonstrator" is raised to the rank of combat. Well, etc.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 15 May 2016 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      15Y71 intercontinental missile (15A71-35)



      15Yu71 - warhead. GRAU index "object 4202". But it is displayed by the RS-36M2 Voevoda missile (as far as I know). GRAU index - 15П014. For combat missiles, after "15" is the letter "P", so do not drive misinformation.

      Farther. And where was the talk about Bulava? I missed something ... About "Yars" - it was, about "Sarmat" - it was. About "Bulava" - I have not seen ... Point-blank.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 May 2016 15: 45
      0
      for Old:

      The stuffing is, as it were, from the Russian Defense Ministry. And journalists only pick them up.

      I get the impression that in "Zircon - Hypersound" it is a matter of bluffing, as it was in the 60s with Soviet ICBMs. Information was given about combat missiles,
      when there were only laboratory prototypes, many times overstated
      quantity and performance characteristics. To scare the enemy. And buy time.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 16 May 2016 17: 00
        0
        Of course, these are elements of an information war. If you look at the statements of leading world scientists, they no longer hide the need for new mathematical methods of analysis. Behind this is only the possibility of a technical breakthrough. But no one knows how to approach what no one knows. Therefore, I am not very surprised when they shut up their mouths without even making an effort to carefully read the text. But this is not scary, the algorithms for the development and evolution of human civilization have long been established, but not many can see them.
  25. weksha50
    weksha50 14 May 2016 13: 54
    +2
    "" We have something to answer, and how to answer ... in the near future the Americans will understand the futility and senselessness of everything they are doing ... "Let them spend a lot more," building a "fence from anti-missiles" and doing absolutely unnecessary work ".

    It sounded good and encouraging ...

    Moreover, the amers encounter a rake in this issue for the second time ...

    The first was during the space war race, SDI, the "star umbrella" in the late 80s ...

    And just the scientists of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense then made a huge contribution to the development of overcoming the missile defense of a potential enemy, and the American SDI "was blown away" ... Moreover, our expenses were much less compared to the American ones ...

    Something like looms even now, from which the soul becomes somehow calmer ...

    And when some retired neighbors begin to gun about exorbitant defense spending, I answer them: "No mind - count cripples" ...
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 14 May 2016 14: 40
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Gauges, Granites, Onyxes and Brahmos fly like that ... apparently they accidentally find their goals.

    Well how!
    Heroes sit inside in stolen flight suits and control.
    Addict-liberal Pelevin has long explained everything!
  27. Black_PR
    Black_PR 14 May 2016 14: 42
    0
    I don’t remember the author of what was said .. Underestimate the enemy of death like that, underestimate yourself like death three times.
  28. 1234567
    1234567 14 May 2016 15: 16
    0
    Amer showed piles test our current words
  29. Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 May 2016 15: 59
    +1
    It was necessary to attach this to the article -




    Despite the sanctions, Russian scientists, together with foreign colleagues, continue to work together on an interesting project for a passenger hypersonic aircraft within the framework of the international project HEXAFLY-INT

    The interim results of the design of a high-speed civilian aircraft have been summed up. The ultimate goal of this project is to create a passenger hypersonic aircraft whose engines will run on hydrogen fuel. Such a liner will overcome the distance from Moscow to Sydney in three hours.


    About Sydney is not mentioned by chance. Australian scientists are actively working in the project, although this country is considered perhaps the most ardent ally of the United States and has always advocated toughening sanctions against Russia.


    The meeting, held at the center of aviation and cosmonautics - DLR-Cologne, which is located in Cologne, Germany, was attended by the leaders of the program working groups from the leading European organizations of the aerospace industry: ESA-ESTEC, AIRBUS group, ONERA, DLR, CIRA, as well as participants project from the Australian University of Southern Queensland. Russia was represented at the meeting by the delegation of TsAGI FSUE (coordinator of the HEXAFLY-INT project on the part of Russia), headed by the head of the department Anatoly Gubanov, and the delegation of the FSUE TsIAM named after PI Baranov, headed by Alexander Prokhorov, Deputy Director General for Aerospace Engines ...


    Specialists of TsIAM, the Central Institute of Aviation Motors, presented reports that presented the results of computational and experimental studies to determine the traction and economic characteristics of the bench module of a ramjet engine using hydrogen fuel.


    According to the basic configuration chosen by European partners, in 2015, TsIAM manufactured and tested the demonstrator of the technological module of a hypersonic ramjet engine using hydrogen fuel. During tests at the SIC TsIAM test bench while simulating conditions corresponding to the Mach number M = 7,4, a positive aeromotor balance was recorded - the thrust created by the engine exceeded the total aerodynamic resistance of the experimental object.


    Following the results of the working meeting, the minutes of the meeting were adopted, and a plan for further work was approved.


    It is worth recalling that in order to solve the problem of creating a high-speed civilian aircraft, the European Commission, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and the Australian government decided to carry out joint work under the code "HEXAFLY-INT" as part of the 7th framework program of the European Union. The European participants in this work include ESA-ESTEC (European coordinator, Netherlands), ONERA (France), CIRA (Italy), DLR (Germany), AIRBUS group and others. Participants from Russia include the State Research Center FSUE TsAGI (coordinator from Russia), State Research Center FSUE "TsIAM named after PI Baranov", Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology (MIPT). Australia's contributors include The University of Sydney, University of Southern Queensland.


    FSUE "TsIAM named after PI Baranov" is the only research organization in the country that carries out comprehensive scientific research and scientific support of developments in the field of aircraft engine building from fundamental research of physical processes to joint work with the OKB on the creation, refinement and certification of new engines. including ground gas turbine plants. All domestic aircraft engines were created with the direct participation of the institute and were fine-tuned at its stands
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 14 May 2016 18: 00
      -4
      When using the word "complexity", you need to understand this as a mathematical model that allows you to analyze conjugated processes in the form of algorithms for the development of physical phenomena. You believe. that the named specialists know what modeling of coupled processes is, when the levels of molecular transformation can be compared with the macrolevel. And in general, what test benches can reproduce the conditions at the same hyperspeed of flight in the atmosphere. And then, modern engines are designed in such a way that the higher the potential for achieving relative results by them, the higher the resistance of the aggregate physical phenomena that impede the operation of these engines. Scientists do not know how to use the potential of the environment for their own purposes. They only know how to overcome obstacles. Therefore, sooner or later, an "insurmountable obstacle" will appear.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 May 2016 18: 22
        0
        Maybe offer the designers of hypersonic aircraft your help - create something breakthrough in this area.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 14 May 2016 22: 02
          -3
          There must be circumstances in order for this to happen. Because it is similar to the fact that it is impossible to pick a ripe apple when the process of flowering is in progress.
    2. B-15
      B-15 14 May 2016 22: 54
      +1
      They cannot create this airplane without our engine. Ameriens most likely decided not to breed competitors and did not share them. Therefore, ours are in one bunch. But all this is dumb. The engine will be drained and sent. As it was with the Chinese.
      The Chinese dismantled the AL-31 from the SU-27. Recycled for their materials. Created (steeled) the engine under the licensed glider SU-27. And then they gave away the stolen for miscalculation at CIAM. The Institute had to point out the delicate places of construction and the expected characteristics of the product being created.
      And now, slowly bring this engine. After 5-8 years, they will reach the modern modifications of AL-31.
      Now the Chinese are buying from us SU-35. And there are new AL-41 engines. They will be tying again. One hope here is on the AL-51. And their aircraft are many times more produced. And rocket technology is not bad.
      Therefore, returning to this cooperation, I see only a desire to get those technologies from us, which none of the participating countries has. And then they’ll quit.
      One hope for the experience of the last twenty-five years of Russian scientists. It is necessary to provide this consortium ONLY the finished product under the seals. And that no dog could touch these engines in LA. And only under such conditions to subscribe to do the engine for them.
      Despite all this cooperation, CIAM has been under strict export control for all these twenty-five years. Here they are grateful, cooperators, damn it. stop
  30. Erikson
    Erikson 14 May 2016 16: 21
    0
    Okay, in 5-10 years, for example, these hypersonic monsters will stand, already mature, ready to use, blows ... and what's next? Continuation of more advanced weapons for killing? Where are we going? To the death of earthly civilization? Farther away from God? It's time to create something innovative for the benefit of mankind, and not engage in the rattling of super weapons for murders ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 May 2016 18: 20
      0
      Hypersonic aviation has a future.
      1. B-15
        B-15 14 May 2016 22: 32
        0
        Nope.
        The future is with integrated delivery systems.
        They will be needed for a hundred kilometers, and for hundreds, and for thousands, and tens of thousands.
        So do not blame me. wink
        But without hypersonic aviation, civilization will not develop. Here I will support all 100!
      2. B-15
        B-15 14 May 2016 22: 32
        0
        Nope.
        The future is with integrated delivery systems.
        They will be needed for a hundred kilometers, and for hundreds, and for thousands, and tens of thousands.
        So do not blame me. wink
        But without hypersonic aviation, civilization will not develop. Here I will support all 100!
      3. Snow
        Snow 15 May 2016 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Hypersonic aviation has a future.

        I'm afraid that it is only possible in space: look what happens to meteorites entering the atmosphere at high speeds. This problem cannot be solved like this "once or twice."
        Hypersound is possible of course, but, in my opinion, only:
        A) not for transport, but for military (i.e., disposable missiles);
        B) without the possibility of maneuvering;
        B) with a kinetic warhead;
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 May 2016 11: 53
          -1
          Refractory materials for hypersonic flight in the atmosphere have already been created, as an example, tantalum carbide - the melting point is 3880 degrees, and at a speed of 7-10 max the device heats up to 850 degrees - there is fuel, there are acceleration engines, scramjet too, the question is only investment.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 15 May 2016 12: 04
            -1
            It is clear that many aspects have to be generalized in discussions. But you understand that the entire surface of an aircraft cannot under any circumstances have the same temperature. So questions will arise in the crystal structure of the interaction of physical processes in the material itself. On Earth, this cannot even be modeled closely. Moreover, the conversation is about flying in various atmospheric conditions, and not idealized for narrow parameters. Allegations of 850 degrees are not serious at all. In addition, in a conversation about engines, contemporaries can only talk about booster devices, but not about devices operating in all modes of long flight.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 15 May 2016 16: 14
              0
              To the temperature of 850, the front of the fuselage, as well as the wings and the combustion chamber of the scramjet proper, will be heated.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 15 May 2016 16: 53
                -1
                Quote: Vadim237
                The front of the fuselage, as well as the wings will be heated to a temperature of 850

                - Vadim, and 850 will not be enough? I remember that Buran’s nose-wings were calculated for 1500-1600, despite the fact that it’s not at all hypersonic
                - why at such a temperature such exotic as TaC? And what place, I apologize, do you intend to cram it into? This is a powder, actually, a material .. not very technological request
                1. Come on
                  Come on 16 May 2016 02: 05
                  0
                  A buran flew around the orbit, which is already above several speeds of sound, that is, hypersound.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 May 2016 20: 06
                  0
                  Refractory materials have already appeared, and 850 degrees is the heating of the fuselage at a speed of 8 10 Machs, and in Buran it reached 20 Machs. They make a cutting tool from tantalum carbide - in the future it will be possible to print the entire fuselage from this powder on a 3D printer.
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 15 May 2016 12: 46
      +1
      This is how humanity works: war is the engine of progress. A huge number of breakthrough technologies were developed EXACTLY during the war or for the war. And then, after applying in the army, it goes into civilian life. From recent examples: jet aircraft, nuclear decay, the Internet, computers ...
  31. Butt
    Butt 14 May 2016 17: 25
    0
    Our infa is like an irritant in the race of minds and ideas. And not the fact that everything is true here, but that it is just a dead end in research! Wait and see. The main thing is to train the brains of potential "partners" let them go crazy from the mass of their own self-conceit multiplied by a heap of suspicions!
    So them, let them dream of Kuzkina Mother!
  32. B-15
    B-15 14 May 2016 22: 28
    +1
    Amer and I have our advantages over the competitor. We have fully licked matmodels and passed bench tests. Work is underway on the manufacture of prototypes for various purposes.
    The Americans have the material, technological and instrumental base. But without the brains similar to ours, they failed the first series of tests and rolled back to new conceptual studies.
    So for now, parity. But we have a VIAM. This is encouraging.
    As for the development of the times of the USSR, we have advanced quite far in today's models. The guys were engaged in the creation of key components of products all the perestroika years optional. On bare enthusiasm. And it will be their honor and praise. And we will remember and know them now and our descendants will remember them. Kowtow to them.
  33. Snow
    Snow 15 May 2016 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: Gogia
    By and large, we are untouchable even now. We simply do not have financial power. There is no such amount of financial resources as that of Amer. And their concern is that we have less money.

    I agree. From a military point of view, WE ARE MUCH LESS VULNERABLE than from a financial and industrial point of view (which, in principle, follows one from the other). Therefore, first of all, they will use "dirty tricks", sanctions, all sorts of dirty tricks with oil and gas, fifth columns against us. They will beat economically, introduce their agents. In a word. try to destroy from the inside. With luck on this side, a military strike will no longer be required, since we already surrender.
    But if there is a new Gorbachev this time, then from our industry and the country they certainly will not leave stone unturned.
    This does not mean that it is not necessary to develop the military sphere. This means that it is necessary to develop economic power in harmony with the military.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 15 May 2016 11: 14
      0
      This is a deeply erroneous opinion. If we bought the entire reproduction infrastructure of any important product, then of course. But! When we create ourselves and combine everything with our capabilities, the cost price corresponds to our world, and not theirs. The price and profit naturally turns out to be more profitable with us than the goods produced from them.
  34. Exumer
    Exumer 15 May 2016 13: 06
    0
    Well, straight soul rejoices at such news good
  35. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 May 2016 14: 20
    0
    Quote1:
    "During this project, the developers encountered the effect of
    shielding radio signals with plasma film, ...
    . Radio signals cannot penetrate either to the rocket from the outside, or from it outside.
    And it seems that the Americans have not been able to solve this problem so far "////

    Quote2:
    "WE MADE IT
    And in Russia, as we can see, the situation with hypersound is the opposite. "/////

    Is the plasma special? - and the radio signals pass through it calmly laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 16: 17
      0
      By auto-correction rockets will fly.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2016 16: 22
      0
      "Radio signals cannot get through to the rocket from the outside, or from it outside."
      "And it seems that the Americans have not been able to solve this problem so far" - And how then guided warheads of ICBMs are guided when entering the dense layers of the atmosphere - plasma is formed around the "body" of the warhead - And it seems that this problem has been solved long ago , just the author does not know.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 May 2016 10: 41
        0
        "And how, then, guided warheads of ICBMs are guided when entering the dense layers of the atmosphere" ////

        No way. They are directed to squares on the ground BEFORE entering the atmosphere by astronavigation (by stars).
        And then fall like meteorites.
  36. _my opinion
    _my opinion 15 May 2016 14: 47
    0
    I remember the American military spent a lot of money in the "blackbird" reconnaissance aircraft project, which required a lot of money in operation, in response to this we created the MIG interceptor, which later became the MIG-31 ...
    blackbirds in a landfill, and MIGs still serve to this day ...
    "the war is won not by the one who will shoot the enemy, but who will change his mind" (c) (from the Soviet film "and the dawns here are quiet", please do not confuse it with the recent fake with the same name)
    1. B-15
      B-15 15 May 2016 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: _my opinion
      blackbirds in a landfill, and MIGs still serve to this day ...

      It is a pity that you are not in the know. The SR-71s are excellent today. Parts are unique flying laboratories. Part scouts.
      This aircraft still has the shortest time in the launch zone of the missile launcher. Do not underestimate the enemy!
      So it is better to know the material that you bring to colleagues.
      1. Operator
        Operator 15 May 2016 17: 39
        0
        Specify - how many SR-71 are currently in service with the Air Force / CIA and how many are used as a flying laboratory?
        1. B-15
          B-15 15 May 2016 18: 24
          0
          I don’t know how much.
          But the news periodically skips. Now there are definitely in Turkey and Saudi Arabia (maybe Bahrain).
          Fly, the infection.
          And about the flying laboratory, it was written somewhere at the end of 2015.
          1. Operator
            Operator 15 May 2016 18: 46
            -1
            SR-71 retired.
            On the balance sheet of the NASA Flight Research Center. Armstrong (a civilian organization) has two aircraft without reconnaissance equipment that are used as carriers of experienced hypersonic aircraft.
  37. Old26
    Old26 15 May 2016 15: 18
    +2
    Quote: CT-55_11-9009
    15Yu71 - warhead. GRAU index "object 4202". But it is displayed by the RS-36M2 Voevoda missile (as far as I know). GRAU index - 15П014. For combat missiles, after "15" is the letter "P", so do not drive misinformation. Next. And where was the talk about Bulava? I missed something ... About "Yars" - it was, about "Sarmat" - it was. About "Bulava" - I have not seen ... Point-blank.

    If you don't mind, I'll start from the end. About "Bulava". Fourth paragraph below in the article.

    And here's more about the indices. Excuse me, Semyon, but you have a mess in them.
    So. I'll start parsing your mistakes. Sorry, but you, that not a line, then a mistake.

    "4202 Object" not displayed "VOEVODOY" and an experimental carrier created on the basis of ICBMs 15А35also known by contractual index as PC-18 and western SS-19 or "Stylet". The index of this rocket until recently was 15A71-35.
    It really starts from the positional area of ​​a division equipped with "Voyevods", but a few years ago 1-2 silos were rebuilt specifically for it

    Now your errors in the indexes.
    1. Rocket "Voevoda" has the designation R-36M2And not RS-36M2. Index RS- contractual and in the family of these missiles he RS-20.

    2. Next. The family of these missiles has 3 main models and 6 or 7 modifications. Missile Indices - R-36M, R-36M UTTH, R-36M2... The latter has its own name "Voevoda".

    3. In combat missiles, the GRAU index not 15P0xas you say, and 15А in liquid and 15 in solid fuel cancer. And the aforementioned family of GRAU indices - 15А14, 15А18, 15А18М. There was still an intermediate modification, which had the designation 15A18-1 (rocket 15A14 and RGCh from 15A18).

    4. Missile complexes of this family had an index 15 (but this is an index of the complex, not rockets, as you wrote). Accordingly, the indices of the complexes 15П014,15П014П, 15П114, 15П214, 15П214П, 15П018, 15П118, 15П018, 15П018М, 15П018П, 15П118М.

    5. Mine complexes (mine launchers, to make it clear) in the GRAU indices had after the letter P, the number 7Respectively 15P714, 15P718.

    6. The military equipment of ICBMs in the vast majority of cases has an index starting with 15F. Followed by rocket index and finally the serial number of the BG. If there are many options, then there are enough indexes. In particular, the same ICBM R-36M (15A14) has the designation RGCh and BG, approximately the following 15F14x. Sometimes met for monoblock indices 15B ...
  38. Old26
    Old26 15 May 2016 15: 26
    +2
    CONTINUED

    Now for the most important thing - 15J71. By index Ю recently, missiles have been designated in the Strategic Missile Forces system, having special equipment. It is known 2 such missiles. it 15Yu75 complex "Sirena" (previously designated 15ZH75) and 15J71 (rocket created on the basis of 15А35 and having indices 15А71-35 и 15А71)

    When they talk about facility 4202then often mention another index 15J71 and complex 15P771. And 15J71 identify with the load, and 15P771 - with a missile system. But 15P771 - This is not a complex index, but a silo index. And the name "object 4202" - not the GRAU index, but the internal designation of the company. Be 15J71 warhead, she would have a grau index 15F71x (where the last digit would mean the serial number of this BG.
    And the last thing. The U-71 index first appeared a couple of years ago in the British Jane. And then ours picked up and reprinted each other.
  39. cedar
    cedar 15 May 2016 19: 23
    +3
    "Now, as for the most important thing - 15Yu71. The U index in the Strategic Missile Forces has recently designated missiles, having special equipment. So far, 2 such missiles are known. These are 15Yu75 complex "Sirena" (previously designated 15Zh75) and 15Yu71 (a rocket created on the basis of 15A35 and had indexes 15A71-35 and 15A71) "

    That would be with this special equipment, but to cut into precisely explored "rat holes and snake nests" (deep-lying bases), which were dug to save themselves by a non-human, planning to destroy (reduce) most of humanity.
    And what would they know, remember and not for a second doubt that Russia has an object 4202 especially for these ghouls! We call it symbolically KolOS or OsKol. Kol Aspen!
  40. Victor19
    Victor19 15 May 2016 19: 35
    +4
    That's when they do then we'll see. What to say now? We love "that has no analogues in the world" and "we will throw our hats". And along the way, it is now 1941 2.0. Time is running out and has been overlaid on all sides. The West has made a decision to unequivocally destroy us by any possible means. And this must be understood.
  41. Old26
    Old26 15 May 2016 21: 18
    +1
    Quote: cedar
    That would be with this special equipment, but to cut into precisely explored "rat holes and snake nests" (deep-lying bases), which the non-humans dug to save themselves

    Alas, in this case, special equipment is not nuclear charges. Sirena has a transmitter, 15Y71 has an experimental apparatus

    DEAR ADMINISTRATORS AND MODERATORS.
    A very big request, if possible, to adjust the order of posting comments. And it’s very difficult sometimes to answer, not knowing where what you wrote. After your post or before it. And it turns out that for example there is a post from 11.00, then from 6.30, then at 17.30, and then at 14.00
    1. Operator
      Operator 15 May 2016 22: 29
      -1
      And what kind of transmitter does Sirena have?
  42. litus
    litus 15 May 2016 23: 53
    0
    Quote: Old26
    And here's more about the indices. Excuse me, Semyon, but you have a mess in them.
    So. I'll start parsing your mistakes. Sorry, but you, that not a line, then a mistake.


    Do you think it's worth discussing indexes in such detail? This is undeniably very interesting. It seems to me even too interesting
  43. ksn63
    ksn63 16 May 2016 02: 29
    0
    Quote: magosvel
    The budget of Amers is already a black hole (about 20 trillion), so that they swallow a hypersonic hole - they will not choke, and they will even weld.

    This is true! Swallow, and still ask. These guys are always and never enough.
  44. Old26
    Old26 16 May 2016 08: 49
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    And what kind of transmitter does Sirena have?

    Most likely the same as on the previously existing 15A11 and 15ZH56 Gorn missiles. Details of what the transmitter is, how it works, etc. no one will tell us for a long time. Since this rocket is part of the world-famous Perimeter system.

    Quote: litus
    Do you think it's worth discussing indexes in such detail? This is undeniably very interesting. It seems to me even too interesting

    I'm glad that at least someone appreciated my small speech laughing As for the need, I think it was necessary. Sometimes it’s sometimes written that I’d like to say so - "Learn materiel". And after all, the fact that I said there is nothing secret or is it some kind of sacred knowledge. This can be found on the net in just 5 minutes. According to the depth of the topic, the resources are different, but there is nothing to be done. Some are simply reprinted from others.

    But sometimes people are too lazy to understand. And the result is that the military-technical resource is gradually becoming "yellow", where the basis is not knowledge, not a sober analysis, but sometimes dullness and nonsense.
    I do not blame the same comrade CT-55_11-9009(Seeds) in what he wrote. He must have heard it somewhere, something superimposed on something, etc.
    But I think that at least when writing posts on the VO resource, you should know at least the existing classification of both ours and Western ones. After all, no one forces us to describe the indices of all fragments and details of the same rocket. But at least to know how it is denoted in our country, as in the west - it is quite accessible to everyone. I think that the level of discussion, its quality would have improved, I’m discussing the realities and not the information of the OBS agency
  45. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 16 May 2016 09: 11
    +2
    The Russian Aerospace Forces did not just stop NATO threats, they castrated all NATO with their missile defense
  46. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 16 May 2016 09: 47
    +1
    The news is just great! It is gratifying!

    Only here is Congressman Trent Franks (“The hypersonic era is approaching. The United States must not only compete in this area, but also achieve superiority, because our enemies take technology improvements seriously and effectively develop them ”) and any other nasty shushera frankly call us enemies ...
    And why are they fed up? We are white and fluffy and behave accordingly, we wipe ourselves constantly and walk with our eyes down ...
  47. Dubasof
    Dubasof 16 May 2016 14: 26
    0
    We say a lot, do a little!
  48. stonks
    stonks 16 May 2016 21: 02
    0
    Yes!
    Not expected.
    Pleased with the article!
  49. Old26
    Old26 17 May 2016 08: 45
    0
    Quote: Dubasof
    We say a lot, do a little!

    A lot is being done too, but everything is never smooth. After all, there is a well-known Russian proverb - "Soon a fairy tale will tell, but it will take a long time before things are done." So it is here. There are very, very difficult problems, but solvable ones. But this takes time. The same Obnosov said that there were no problems at speeds up to 5M. They start at speeds of 6-10M