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Russian Navy will receive universal ships for the Arctic

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The construction of a powerful military group in the northern direction requires not only the deployment of new bases, but also the construction of appropriate ships. In the foreseeable future, the ship group responsible for protecting the northern borders of the country will have to be replenished with two universal patrol ships of the Arctic zone of the ice class of the 23550 project. The other day a contract was signed for the construction of these ships.


On May 4, the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Admiralty Shipyards shipyard (St. Petersburg) signed an agreement under which two new patrol ships will be built. A construction contract implies the completion of works and the delivery of ships by the end of 2020. Thus, at the beginning of the next decade, the navy will receive special ships designed to operate in the northern seas.

About a year ago, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, spoke about plans for the development of the Arctic naval grouping, which are currently being implemented. In the spring of 2015, it was decided to build a universal vessel capable of solving a wide range of tasks. It was planned to develop and build a ship that can perform the functions of an icebreaker and tugboat, as well as capable of patrolling and destroying various targets. In the near future it was planned to determine the appearance of such a ship, and then develop a new project, according to which the construction should be carried out.


The appearance of a new universal ship. Figure Rg.ru


Already at the end of May, representatives fleet talked about the imminent completion of design work and plans for the construction of new ships. At that time, it was planned to build two universal ice class ships. In the near future it was supposed to begin the construction of promising vessels, but the timing of its launch was not specified until a certain time. Also, the technical details of the new project were not announced.

For the first time, a model of a promising universal ship for the Arctic, developed by the Krylov State Research Center, was shown for the first time at the International Naval Show, IMDS-2015. Construction of such ships was planned to deploy at the St. Petersburg factory "Pella". At the same time, some details of the new project became known, in particular, information about the equipment and armament of the universal ship was published.

A few days ago, a contract was signed for the construction of two new universal patrol ships under the 23550 project. The Ministry of Defense reports that these will be fundamentally new vessels combining several functions. Declared the ability to perform tasks in different regions, from the tropics to the Arctic. In the latter case, the ships will be able to overcome the ice thickness up to 1,5 m. According to the combination of characteristics and capabilities, it is claimed that promising ships do not have foreign analogues.

From the published information about the contract and the project 23550, it follows that the military ordered the construction of ships, previously announced at last year's exhibitions. At the same time, however, the construction contract was not received by the Pella plant, mentioned as a potential contractor, but by the Admiralty Shipyards enterprise. Previously published information, as well as images of a prospective ship, allow us to determine its main features, as well as draw some conclusions.

The 23550 project ships are designed to perform various tasks in northern latitudes, including ice-covered areas. This feature of the application had a significant impact on the characteristics and appearance of the ships. So, the most noticeable feature of the design is the characteristic shape of the hull, which is necessary to overcome the ice fields. At the same time, in the design of the hull and superstructure, some developments have been applied with little notice:

Outside the hull, it is proposed to mount a relatively large superstructure, as well as part of the armament. The tank provides for the installation of a large-caliber artillery system, behind which is the main superstructure with a bridge and a mast for electronic equipment. In the stern of the superstructure is a hangar for helicopters, for which there is a relatively large take-off platform. In one of the versions of the project presented at last year’s exhibition, a small platform with missile launchers was provided in the stern of the ship.

It is known that the universal patrol ships of the 23550 project will have a full displacement at the level of 6800 m. The length is defined in 114 m, the width of 18 m and the draft is 6 m. The crew will include 49 people. In addition, it is possible to take on another 47 man.

The main power plant with a total capacity of up to 15000 kW should be located in the central part of the hull. As the main means of movement, the ships will receive two full turn rotary steering columns with 6000 kW each. In order to increase the maneuverability, the columns should be supplemented with a double thruster of the tunnel type placed in the forward part of the hull. The power of such a system should reach 500 kW. Unfortunately, the exact types of basic elements of the power plant have not yet been named.

The ship will be able to reach speeds up to 18 nodes, the cruising range will reach 6 thousand nautical miles. The hull design will allow it to overcome ice thickness up to 1,5 m. With constant movement, the thickness of the ice to be overcome should not exceed 1 m.

To combat surface and air targets, ships of the 23550 project must have a complex of artillery and missile weapons. On the tank, in front of the superstructure, an A-190 artillery system with a 100 caliber mm gun must be mounted. It is also possible to use anti-aircraft guns of existing types. On several layouts and images it is also seen that the installation of lifting devices for the impact missile complex is provided in the aft part of the ship hull. In this case, the ship can carry two launchers with four missiles each. Probably the use of the Caliber missile system or a similar system. At the same time, the characteristic appearance of the units shown in some of the drawings makes us recall the Club-K complex in container design.

Some tasks may be associated with the use of helicopters or boats. It is known that a promising ship can indeed carry additional light equipment. Aviation The patrol ship group consists of one Ka-27 helicopter or similar. To transport the helicopter and the means necessary for it, a hangar is provided in the aft part of the superstructure. Using a helicopter, it is possible to increase the detection range of various objects. In addition, the helicopter can carry out ice reconnaissance, transport goods and people, as well as be used for other purposes.

The sides of the hangar for a helicopter in the superstructure are lazport, intended for the storage of boats and life rafts. Also under the helicopter deck there are two large hangars in which the patrol ship must carry boats with weapons. According to reports, the dimensions of the hangars allow the 23550 project ship to carry two 03160 Raptor speedboats. The latter, with a displacement of up to 23 t, are capable of carrying machine guns of various types and carrying 20 paratroopers. The most important feature of the Raptor boats is the ability to move at speeds of 48 nodes, which allows it to quickly deliver troops to the place of operation or catch up with other ships.


One of the layouts shown last year. Photo Nevskii-bastion.ru


Universal ships of the new project, among other things, will have to perform the tasks characteristic of tugs. For this, according to available data, they will receive towing devices with a pull force of at least 80 tf. In addition, the proposed use of two cranes with a lifting capacity of up to 28 t each.

Due to the installation of a variety of equipment and weapons promising patrol ships will be able to solve a wide range of tasks of combat, transport, etc. character Artillery and missile weapons will allow you to attack surface or coastal targets, as well as defend against air attack. Such opportunities will provide patrols of the specified water areas and escort of various vessels, including with their protection against possible threats.

The presence of high-speed boats and helicopters allow the patrol ship to carry out the arrest of violators and all necessary subsequent procedures. Given the characteristics of the aircraft and boats of the 03160 project, it can be assumed that it will be extremely difficult for the intruder to escape from prosecution.

Using the hull of the corresponding design and working as icebreakers, ships of the 23550 project will be able to guide caravans through the ice. Towing equipment and cranes allow patrol ships to participate in rescue operations, tow damaged ships and help other ships in other ways. Also, the flight deck can be used to place certain goods in standard containers.

Within the framework of the 23550 project, for the first time in domestic and world practice, a ship was developed that was originally intended for solving a wide range of diverse tasks typical of vessels of other classes. Thus, Russian shipbuilders made a technical breakthrough in their industry, and also provided important assistance to the navy in the formation of a ship group for the Arctic. The appearance of multipurpose ships will, to a certain extent, simplify the creation of a grouping by combining several functions in one ship and the absence of the need to build several ships for different purposes.

In accordance with the terms of the signed contract, the Admiralty Shipyards shipyard will have to build, test and transfer to the customer two new ships by the end of 2020. Information about the possible continuation of the construction of ships of the project 23550 is not yet available.


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  1. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 12 May 2016 06: 28
    +10
    Judging by the layout, the artillery will be controlled by the MP-123 station. Ships of this class are absolutely necessary for us.
    1. seti
      seti 12 May 2016 09: 12
      +6
      Certainly pleased that the design idea does not stand still. That new, hourly unexpected offers are accepted. The ship is both patrol and strike, and at the same time it can engage in the escort of merchant ships and simultaneously pave the way for them in difficult ice conditions. As well as patrolling large sections of the coast and generally the northern water area.
      I would like to know how this ship will show itself in the northern latitudes. One thing is certain - such a ship will not be superfluous.
    2. dauria
      dauria 12 May 2016 09: 24
      -2
      Judging by the layout, the artillery will be controlled by the MP-123 station.


      And I would put a cannon with the calculation of shooting right under the nose at a close distance, and projectiles with a slowdown for burrowing into the ice. "St. Fock" could not get through to clear water because of one nonsense - there was no dynamite, only gunpowder. Do not go on the ice every time to lay a charge. what
    3. Navigator
      Navigator 13 May 2016 00: 39
      +1
      Judging by the article, in the bow of the ship there will be a 100mm gun mount, which the mr-123 is not controlled in any way. mr-123 controls gun mounts AK-176, AK-630 and its modifications. If I am not mistaken, there should be a Puma 5P-10 radar station with a television viewfinder.
  2. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 12 May 2016 06: 36
    +9
    We have forged Arctic personnel! laughing Photo from the May 9th parade
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 12 May 2016 06: 43
      +5
      Snowmobile A1. The production and equipment of equipment, as well as manpower for the Arctic, is in full swing.
      1. ruAlex
        ruAlex 12 May 2016 11: 06
        +3
        In the Arctic, we are currently leading and the state is doing everything possible to maintain this leadership in such an important region. The arrogant Saxons and others were already stirring and began to carry the blizzard off-topic.
  3. DM51
    DM51 12 May 2016 06: 41
    +14
    With a total displacement of 6800 tons to break the ice a meter and a half, it’s very, very good. And he would have a high-altitude drone without a shock function with a large radius of action, with a pair of high-resolution cameras - a wide-angle and rangefinder and powerful thermal imager to conduct reconnaissance over endless ice fields and the adjacent water area, otherwise it is unprofitable for fuel to patrol by helicopter and pilots can have more rest.
    Oh, dreams, dreams smile
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 12 May 2016 06: 49
      0
      I think work is already underway in this direction.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 12 May 2016 09: 38
      +12
      Instead of one of the Raptors, he needs a hovercraft. And then in the ice environment a lot on the Raptor does not ride. Established snowmobiles or cross-country vehicles on dutiks and a retractable ramp for unloading them on ice will also not hurt.
      In general, the ice class up to 1.5 m implies quite a thick hull casing and structural reinforcement of the hull, in particular the set. Kaptsov, with his relationship to the battleships, would be pleased. If, of course, it would not be Russian but NATO ships. smile
    3. ruAlex
      ruAlex 12 May 2016 11: 35
      +1
      Our drones are developing now so maybe your dreams will come true.
      1. jjj
        jjj 12 May 2016 12: 26
        +5
        Quote: ruAlex
        need a hovercraft.

        She will quickly tear her skirt along the hummocks. There is an interesting amphibious project from "Torex". There under the bottom are inflatable cylinders protected by low pressure polyethylene
  4. red rocket
    red rocket 12 May 2016 09: 15
    +1
    Our Arctic, more of these ships !!!
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 12 May 2016 15: 25
      0
      To do this, we need more factories and shipyards ..
      Quote: red rocket
      Our Arctic, more of these ships !!!
  5. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 12 May 2016 09: 40
    +1
    If missile cells are normally placed on RTOs with much lower displacement, then on such a large one they simply must be. After all, this is a long arm. Moreover, in such remote places as the Arctic. Where external support is much more complicated. And orders do not sound very good.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 May 2016 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: abrakadabre
      If missile cells are normally placed on RTOs with much lower displacement, then on such a large one they simply must be. After all, this is a long arm. Moreover, in such remote places as the Arctic. Where external support is much more complicated. And orders do not sound very good.

      And you look at the stern in the first photo in the article. smile
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 12 May 2016 22: 14
        0
        I think with integrated placement, there will be tangible savings in volume and mass. So you can have more cells
  6. Captain45
    Captain45 12 May 2016 09: 42
    +8
    The news is interesting and pleasant, but for now these are still projects, the old people go into battle:
    Nuclear container ship “Sevmorput” will go on a voyage for the first time in 10 years
    April 29 2016
    The world's only nuclear transport vessel - the container ship Sevmorput - embarked on loading at the Murmansk Commercial Sea Port before its first voyage in recent 10 years.
    “After the completion of loading operations, Sevmorput will head for Kotelny Island in the archipelago of the Novosibirsk Islands, it will be the first voyage in the last 10 years after large-scale restoration work on the ship,” said Andrei Smirnov, Deputy Director General for Fleet Operation of the Atomflot FSUE.
    The Sevmorput route to the sea is scheduled for May 5. It is planned that the flight will take 7-8 days. In May, the most severe ice conditions are observed in the Arctic, therefore, the Northern Sea Route will go under the icebreaking support of the Yamal nuclear-powered icebreaker. About 5,5 thousand tons of cargo of various nomenclature will be delivered to the Boiler ship island, mainly construction materials. Unloading on the island will be carried out using cranes of an atomic lighter carrier. The planned duration of the flight, taking into account the return, will be up to 30 days, reports TASS.
    The Sevmorput nuclear-powered container lighter carrier is the only icebreaking transport vessel in the world with a nuclear power plant. In total, the vessel can take on board the 74 lighter with a carrying capacity of 300 tons or 1328 twenty-foot containers (TEU), is capable of independently breaking ice up to 1 m thick. Since the flag was raised and work began, the Sevmorput lighter carrier has traveled 302 thousand miles, transported more than 1,5 million tons of cargo, having carried out during this time only one reloading of a nuclear reactor.
    The ship made its last voyage in the 2005 year. In 2012, it was decided to decommission the ship, and the question was raised about its disposal. But at the end of December 2013, Rosatomflot signed an order to restore the Sevmorput lighter carrier. Repairs, including repairs to register class, extending the life of a nuclear power plant and loading a set of nuclear fuel, took 1,5 of the year.
    Source: http://www.arctic-info.ru/news/29-04-2016/atomnii-konteinerovoz--sevmorpyt_--vpe
    rvie-za-xnumx-let-otpravitsa-v-reis
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 12 May 2016 11: 09
      0
      The world's only nuclear transport vessel - the container ship Sevmorput
      And what, the American nuclear-powered Savannah is no longer in business? I understand that at the moment the ship has been turned into a museum and is not being operated, but still ...
      1. pavlos
        pavlos 12 May 2016 14: 02
        0
        They mean the only atomic transport icebreaker in the world - the Sevmorput lighter carrier, and the Germans and Japanese (they sort of dismantled it five years after the launch) built the merchant ships.
        1. 25ru
          25ru 12 May 2016 14: 21
          +5
          Quote: pavlos
          The only nuclear transport ship-icebreaker in the world is the Sevmorput lighter carrier, and the Germans and Japanese (they sort of dismantled it five years after the launch) built the merchant ships.

          If in general terms, excluding nuclear icebreakers:
          USSR / Russia - "Sevmorput" - dry cargo lighter carrier, in the previous status.
          States - "Savannah" - cargo-passenger, status - sucks, plans - museum
          FRG - "Otto Hahn" - container carrier and experimental ship, dismantled power plant, decontamination, replacement with DEU. Status- went to metal
          Japan - "Mutsu" - cargo-passenger. Status - written off
      2. 25ru
        25ru 12 May 2016 14: 36
        0
        Quote: Verdun
        And what, the American nuclear-powered Savannah is no longer in business? I understand that at the moment the ship has been turned into a museum and is not being operated, but still ...

        The zone is unloaded. Power plant maintenance mode. IMHO, it's in Baltimore. The functions of the museum - did not begin, so reported "Our Man in America" ​​on New Year's. M. b. something has changed in six months.
    2. Samoyed
      Samoyed 12 May 2016 15: 54
      0
      But unload the containers on ice and deliver to the shore - just SVP with a conventional caterpillar tractor
  7. Alceers
    Alceers 12 May 2016 10: 09
    +5
    It is incomprehensible to me. The main enemy of this ship will be foreign nuclear submarines and aircraft, but not a word about the sonar system. But this is a problem for an icebreaker. At a minimum, the antenna must be retractable and not in the bow in order to avoid damage and clogging with sludge. They also kept silent about anti-submarine weapons. Conventional anti-submarine weapons won't do. You can’t install the Blizzard and the Waterfall in half with the Snowstorm and RBU are useless. But he doesn’t need artillery, he needs a long-range missile system. He needs to be served by the DRLD ship to warn MRAU, but there is not a word about the radar on the layout. If it is a half-landing, then boats there must be hovercraft, and quadrics with snowmobiles are standard.
    In a word, there are many questions and its universality has only been declared so far
    1. max702
      max702 12 May 2016 15: 12
      0
      Quote: Alceers
      It is incomprehensible to me.

      Why not understand? They do not plan to fight on it SERIOUSLY, it will really be a universal ship for logistic needs, and the armament is purely nominal .. For the gun do you agree with what? Everything else is in the topic, if you install container calibers, this gives an opportunity, as a last resort, to increase the shock functions .. It’s just that apparently they don’t really give approval to support vessels, here they’re trying to promote it under the guise of a warship .. We’ll see what happens ..
      1. Samoyed
        Samoyed 12 May 2016 15: 59
        0
        And if the launchers for the Caliber were placed obliquely, so as not to occupy the deck space, such as on sailboats, the side hatches opened for the guns. Then can it be around the perimeter of the helicopter deck - a little higher than the waterline and lower than the deck?
    2. Samoyed
      Samoyed 12 May 2016 15: 56
      0
      And if torpedo with an inclined launch from the bottom? Like onboard submarines, but only closer to the keel.
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  8. Verdun
    Verdun 12 May 2016 10: 44
    0
    Russian Navy will receive universal ships for the Arctic
    Soon, probably, a new film will be shot - the Arctic frontier.)) And if no jokes, then specialized ships for these waters are certainly needed. That's just confusing speed, which sources indicate for project 23550. In my opinion, 18 knots are still not enough, even taking into account the ice class.
    1. pavlos
      pavlos 12 May 2016 14: 16
      0
      Mistral has the same speed, suits Franks. Transport is the same.
  9. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 May 2016 11: 50
    +3
    The construction of ships is certainly very wonderful, but the phrases "universal", "unique", "have no analogues" are very funny!
    It would be foolish to use ships with a reinforced bottom to overcome the ice cover in the tropics.
    A displacement of 6000-7000 tons is quite large and typical for destroyers, but the dimensions are more suitable for corvettes. Therefore, the mass is made up of a reinforced body.

    Once they wanted to get away from multi-projecting. I personally have already got confused in various projects of corvettes, and also frigates and now this new boat. And also landing ships, promising "leaders", "storms", etc.

    The larger the series, the more profitable it is to build them. the lower the operating costs due to unification. I understand that our climate zones are too different: there is the Arctic, there is the Caspian, there are seas and oceans. Based solely on this, we must strive for uniformity.
    I hope that in the future the majority will weed out and come to one thing: the destroyer, the protection of the coastal hone (corvette or frigate, both do not make sense to drive), diesel-electric submarines, nuclear submarines, and multipurpose ones.
    1. Alceers
      Alceers 12 May 2016 12: 28
      0
      I think not quite so. It is necessary to unify the filling. And the case is still incomparable in price, you can vary it
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 12 May 2016 13: 29
        0
        And the case is still incomparable in price, you can vary it
        The hull is the most expensive ship design. It can take years to develop the right contours and a solid set. This is not a country house to vary something.
        1. Alceers
          Alceers 12 May 2016 13: 52
          -1
          Stupidities are utter, not more than 20-30 percent of the total cost
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 12 May 2016 13: 57
            0
            no more than 20-30 percent of the total cost
            Do you think this is not enough ?! You are arguing apparently in much the same way as the narrow-minded minds that claim that making a body for a car is a trifle.
            1. Alceers
              Alceers 12 May 2016 16: 05
              +2
              If you are incompetent, then admit that the nonsense spore. And then a lot, a little. The main thing is the price of metal and the work of welders. Previously, yes, slipways and markup plazas for one series of ships were built to save. But wait a minute, they will cut anything to a computer with a plasma cutter according to the drawing. And the welder will have a clear side where the seam should be on the serial or not. He, along with the builder, works today forepick and tomorrow onboard. That's when the ships will be welded by machine guns on the conveyor then climb with your projections. Now get on
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 12 May 2016 14: 48
        +1
        The filling is just not difficult to unify. For example, AFAR Polyment, ZRAK Redut, Kortik, etc., work for each other to detect, track and destroy the target. The same thing with art and other systems. Here you need a competent and thoughtful BIOS. But the difference in the design of the buildings affects the delivery time in operation.
        1. Alceers
          Alceers 12 May 2016 16: 07
          +1
          also stupid. Take an interest in all of our unfinished projects, for what reasons they are. A box at the shipyard is kicked out in a matter of months, but for now it will be filled ...
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 12 May 2016 16: 50
            +1
            A box at the shipyard is kicked out in a matter of months, but for now it will be filled ...
            That's from the fact that they shove whatever they get into the finished building, and very mediocre ships are obtained. In a well-built ship, all compartments should be created for specific equipment and equipment. And the existing approach, of which you apparently are a fan, gives rise to constructive freaks.
            And the welder is exactly on the side where the seam should be on the serial or not.
            Have you yourself at least once talked with welders on this topic? When building large structures, flaws inevitably arise when cutting metal. It’s easier to get rid of them in serial construction. It should be borne in mind that a series of ships are laid not so much for the convenience of their construction, but for the convenience of their further operation. Much easier to train staff. Producers who profess your views, this moment obviously does not care. they just need to vparit products to the customer and get dibs.
            1. Alceers
              Alceers 12 May 2016 17: 01
              +1
              You can see for sure that your inflamed ego did not talk to anyone on this topic. You are trying to write me down as retrogrades. I have taken over more than one ship from construction and repair. I understand what I'm talking about. What you are talking about is not the advantages of the series, but the shoals of the designer. And they are compensated only by the evolution of the project And for your information, on most production ships in the drawing, do you know what is written? "in place" and the development process is constant, until the last serial will be lowered the first is already on pins and needles.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 12 May 2016 17: 17
                0
                What you are talking about is not the advantages of the series, but the schools of the designer. And they are compensated only by the evolution of the project
                Aren't you embarrassed that the evolution of the project is possible only within the framework of the series? Since otherwise it is a completely different project. At the same time - mind you - I have not mentioned a single word that the stuffing of ships does not need to be unified. I just noticed at the very beginning that the case is also expensive and you should not neglect its creation. Otherwise, it may turn out that the unified filling simply does not fit into the compartment already completed by construction.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 May 2016 19: 39
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      I understand that we have too different climatic zones: there is the Arctic, there is the Caspian, there are seas and oceans.

      Ships being built for the north should be different from those that will sail in the Baltic, not to mention the World Cup.
      Quote: silver_roman
      A displacement of 6000-7000 tons is quite large and typical for destroyers, but the dimensions are more suitable for corvettes.

      It always seemed to me dubious to divide the ships by mass, and not by length. This ship is a corvette, in fact they are called that - a patrol ship is the Soviet name for corvettes.
  10. mangoose
    mangoose 12 May 2016 13: 40
    +1
    I don’t know how much in those parts he will need a Caliber or, all the more, a serious air defense system (unless the idea with an UAV was interesting).
    It’s just that we are trying to make 20385 from each ship, ICBMs are in the hold for him on combat duty.
    We need to build ships and more of them. And the main thing is to build it as soon as possible, do not overload them with weapons, otherwise it will be as usual.
  11. 25ru
    25ru 12 May 2016 14: 03
    0
    Shove the unwrapped again fool ... We have our own experience of patrol icebreakers, there are ships of Danes, Argentines, Canadians, Australians. We are inventing the "miracle-yudo-fish-whale" again. We want an arctic formidable scarecrow, a tug, an icebreaker and a transport and lifeguard in one bottle. With a displacement of 7000. And more, more!

    Due to the installation of a variety of equipment and weapons promising patrol ships will be able to solve a wide range of tasks of combat, transport, etc. character Artillery and missile weapons will allow you to attack surface or coastal targets, as well as defend against air attack. Such opportunities will provide patrols of the specified water areas and escort of various vessels, including with their protection against possible threats.
    The presence of high-speed boats and helicopters allow the patrol ship to carry out the arrest of violators and all necessary subsequent procedures. Given the characteristics of the aircraft and boats of the 03160 project, it can be assumed that it will be extremely difficult for the intruder to escape from prosecution.
    Using the hull of the corresponding design and working as icebreakers, ships of the 23550 project will be able to guide caravans through the ice. Towing equipment and cranes allow patrol ships to participate in rescue operations, tow damaged ships and help other ships in other ways. Also, the flight deck can be used to place certain goods in standard containers.

    In short, the history of the country's military shipbuilding teaches that it does not learn the lessons of history. Good dreams ... further, the path is known. IMHO.
  12. Pygmy
    Pygmy 12 May 2016 14: 27
    0
    Well, there are no great station wagons. There are excellent ships in their class, but they tried to push everything into this project .... the best option would be to create 2 - 3 classes of ships but for specific tasks! In the meantime, we are sculpting what to like, but nobody knows how it will turn out in reality!
  13. 25ru
    25ru 12 May 2016 14: 59
    +1
    Quote: mangoose
    I don’t know how much in those parts he will need a Caliber or, especially, a serious air defense system

    Like a hare a brake light. We have a powerful polar / arctic aviation group.
    Are you not in the know?
    On this site, we are left with one left, but without scope and without taking off his hat. wink Bx, your ranks are not enough. I share the algorithm:
    1. Usa Nashe (USSR \ Russia) - unambiguous and uncompromising "+"
    2. A mustache is not ours - in a fig in reality or in the erotic thoughts of the locals - a sad "G ..."
    3. If we do not win immediately - nuclear weapons, but better immediately nuclear weapons. The local Fuhrer apparently ordered a panikhidu.
    4. From the local Fuhrer - a set of regular absence of the brain in relation to "not ours": "... to wet ...", "... from a dead donkey's ears ...", "... s", ". .. on UAZ we will stick "Caliber", "Frogs", etc.
    5. As a consequence - you need the opinion of experts - do not enter into polemics with the Black Hundreds, go to "personal".
    5. In short, those who are interesting to me rarely come in, they are boldly immense herd of Black Hundreds and they rarely appear.
    There was another topic before, but after Khokhlostan and Syria, you understand. I tell you: Skomorokhov (Banshii), he is for Khokhlostan - to get inside out and the flag in ...
    And so, on the topic - like a hare stop signal, IMHO.
  14. 25ru
    25ru 12 May 2016 15: 59
    0
    Specific database area.
    Aviation within the radius of the ASP - beats both, aircraft carriers - are not needed. The USA is stupid, the advantage is a well-tested air refueling system and deck electronic warfare / RER - "Growlers". Deck F \ A -18 - their patrols are longer in the air, and their newest "pigs" add problems.
    Any (in theory, in practice - no) FA / 18 mod Blook 40-50 - adapted for the use of underwing TZA
    Boats: their "Virginias" with older "Elks" and our "Hunters" graze each other in readiness. "Elks", stupidly, more and they are more efficient after modernization.
    Patrol aircraft. And they also have the newest R-8C "Poseidon" - avionics composition, combat patrol radius, avionics failure time, combinations of side loading of pylons / weapons bays. Well, compare with the IL-38 mod. "SEA DRAGON" - shame, simplified modification.
    You can still think a lot. But it’s just to think, and not like some: to show the deiotivator with .... however, see for yourself.
  15. Kotost
    Kotost 12 May 2016 16: 45
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    A thing necessary and interesting from a technical point of view winked
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  17. 25ru
    25ru 12 May 2016 17: 17
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    It is possible, such a wish - at the word "Caliber" -NK / SK and also UKSCH, all morons, insane in the sense, were disconnected.
  18. realist
    realist 12 May 2016 17: 26
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    the speed of 18 knots in open water is not enough, but given the icebreaking-landing mission, it can and will. and weapons must be placed in missile launchers with the possibility of modernization in the future. the main thing is not to stand, but to move, break through!
    1. yehat
      yehat 13 May 2016 16: 57
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      armament - you just need to think through modularity correctly.
      as for speed - then the choice is tough. Icebreaking properties exclude good seaworthiness
  19. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 12 May 2016 17: 55
    +2
    Ships - ships ... SevMorPut was strong not only by the Fleet. Hydrographic Service, Supply Bases ... The Soviet Arctic was only in appearance in the form of several points of the Arctic Borders. There "under the ice" there was a lot of things that were not supposed to know. God forbid to restore now. At one time he was indirectly involved in the Arctic. Places there are such that: "TO ANY POINT OF THE EARTH-HAND SUBMIT". Arktika - HEADGUARD OF MILITARY ranked EARTH. With all the consequences! Arctic and RUSSIA- Historically SYNONYMS! May it be so ALWAYS! And there will always be a Russian badge on the helmet of the Earth!
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 12 May 2016 19: 04
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      SevMorPut was strong not only by the Navy
      Given how many weather bases we have lost in this area over the past years, it’s hard to disagree with you.
  20. 25ru
    25ru 12 May 2016 19: 35
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    At school, I don’t remember exactly the year, about 1998-1999, old, like shit of a mammoth, cap. times, in well-deserved awards, on all breasts in four rows, he uttered (he remembered all his life in uniform): "... a consequence of the universality of knowledge is its mediocrity"
    Quote: chelovektapok
    There "under the ice" there was a lot of things that were not supposed to know.

    The Searchers? Tie up with Fuck TV. The cuckoos will fly out. Yes, I read about the "jump" airfields in the magazine "TM" in the 1990s shaggy years.
    Quote: chelovektapok
    The Soviet Arctic was only in appearance in the form of several points of the Arctic Borders. There "under the ice" there was a lot of things that were not supposed to know.

    To whom? GUGI - wink , 12 GUMO - love
    Ai border guards, ai MCHPV, ai fiction writers - it was necessary to eat less "shilo" so that daddy's submariners would not appear on every corner drinks
  21. Dal arya
    Dal arya 12 May 2016 22: 57
    +1
    Judging by the Internet, on September 1, 2015, Canada already began to rivet something similar to itself. And how similar the twin projects are :)
    1. Приговор
      Приговор 13 May 2016 00: 28
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      I think this project didn’t come to ours much later than to the Canadian shipyard manufacturer ..;)))))
    2. yehat
      yehat 13 May 2016 16: 53
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      the similarity is mostly external, the details of the projects are seriously different.
  22. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 13 May 2016 12: 22
    +1
    It will definitely have a good overview locator. Remove all the specified weapons from it in favor of two heavy universal helicopters. When announcing mobilization, place containers of the "TOR" or "Pantsir" air defense missile system on the upper cargo deck, and the same "Calibers" if the need arises. For 25 years, the ship may not have to fight, but in peacetime in the Arctic it will be enough to carry 14,5-mm machine guns to the deck, but the remaining tasks will be able to solve better until the decommissioning.
    1. yehat
      yehat 13 May 2016 16: 51
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      I wonder how ice affects the location? I think that the conditions there noticeably differ from the open sea and I am curious how realistically a ship can be good at location and a decrease in visibility precisely due to the geometry of reflection.
  23. Div Divich
    Div Divich 13 May 2016 19: 02
    +1
    Quote: Dal arya
    Judging by the Internet, on September 1, 2015, Canada already began to rivet something similar to itself. And how similar the twin projects are :)


    If you do not look in detail, then yes, both look like ships ...
    And if you look closely, you can see a lot of differences.


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    In addition to clearing the tracks, icebreakers usually carry cargo to polar explorers or rescue stuck ships.

    So the helicopter with an external winch was just right for him, for unloading on an unprepared shore, for search operations of stuck ships.

    In terms of armament, it is better to use anti-aircraft machine guns one at a time in front and behind, plus missiles in mines.
    Missiles to destroy the enemy at a great distance, and anti-aircraft guns for close combat (from ships, planes, missiles, drones), anti-aircraft guns can set fire to an enemy ship, and a fire on the ship will do more damage than a large-caliber gun shot.
  24. Div Divich
    Div Divich 13 May 2016 22: 47
    +1
    And if you euthanize the enemy ship personnel with cartridges with the necessary contents, then in general we get the ship as a gift)))

    Or stun with sound, naturally with cartridges with the desired content ...
  25. Idiot
    Idiot 14 May 2016 17: 41
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    It is necessary to equip all icebreakers (provide for the presence of weapons on board) and not reinvent the wheel. From "50 Years of Victory" you can make an "eagle". Put him at the North Pole and shoot him at the enemy.
  26. Marlen
    Marlen 17 May 2016 15: 17
    +1
    Handsome. And the color is arctic.