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Washington on the way to the “23 million laser failure”: “fireproof” hypersound of Moscow and Beijing is not far off

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No one was surprised at the fright of Americans regarding the successful tests of promising hypersonic gliders, carried out by Russia and China, capable of covering enormous distances from 1 to 100 km in just a minute. And it is not surprising, since already at the beginning of 120-s, not experienced products will plow the stratosphere over key geostrategic regions of the world, but completely mass-produced vehicles carrying advanced combat and electronic equipment at cruising speeds of 20М and maximum 4,5 — 6М.

Their armament compartments can accommodate from units to hundreds of modern compact air attack weapons, high-speed reconnaissance stealth UAVs, unmanned directors of radio-electronic interference based on the fearsome Khibin Americans, etc. Without exaggeration, a “prototype” of the Yu-71 hypersonic UAV launched with the Stiletto ICBM UR-100H (PC-18А) can be considered a “gift” of Moscow in this area. This event led to such a stir in the minds of the Pentagon that only a year later all the American defense ministries were put on their ears and “harnessed” to search for an asymmetric response, which did not take long to wait, but did not suggest anything clever.

As 6 May 2016 learned from the Washington Free Beacon, the US Missile Defense Agency plans to invest 23 million dollars in the development of an advanced laser concept weapons the future, which, in their opinion, should finally protect the West from modern Russian and Chinese hypersonic missiles. This was stated by the head of the agency, James Syring. His initiative was supported by Congressman Trent Fanx, accusing Moscow and Beijing of intentionally changing the concept of modern warfare. Sayring, without going into the technical details of the question, even managed to establish the dates for the start of the American “laser pointer” tests (2021 year). And Franks talked about excellence in general. But what do they have, and what has already been invented here?

The Americans managed to bring to mind the project 1-megawatt air combat laser YAL-1A, developed on the basis of the Boeing 747-400F. The entire YAL-1A laser complex, represented by 3 laser installations (TILL - tracking, illumination and correction of the optical-electronic aiming system; BILL - correction of atmospheric distortions at long distances; HEL - six-beam combat laser) was able to successfully hit 2 ballistic missiles at the initial (overclocking ) part of the flight path. Our work on the similar A-60 continues today. Also, over the past two years, Americans have managed to develop and test 2 experimental experimental laser lasers with 33 and 50 kW, respectively.

The first product, structurally similar with a small telescope, mounted on the amphibious assault ship dock of the USS "Ponce" is called LaWS. At the end of 2014, this laser setup was able to “hit” a small drone and several speed boats of a conditional enemy. But the power of the 33 kW showed itself. The video of the test clearly shows that the boat hull did not suffer a bit: special boats were installed on the boats themselves, on which fixed targets with a very sensitive to warming explosive were placed, which detonated when the beam was LaWS. The small drone was also destroyed in a very suspicious way: it simply “pecked” nose down in pitch, as if the flight program had originally intended it to be so. And you try to work on the 4-meter "Harpoon" or "Tomahawk"? Then brag.

In 2015, a more powerful HEL-MD laser appeared on the wheel chassis. Judging by the video from “You Tube”, for a long period of time, the installation still managed to disable the optical-electronic reconnaissance complex of the UAV, and then its control system, but according to real WTO samples, HEL-MD was also not used.

The power of YAL-1A, of course, cannot be underestimated, and no one doubts that Boeing will be able to develop a mass of more powerful analogues of land, sea and air basing, but the Star Wars case is not as simple as it might seem at first glance.

Our experts today can offer a lot of methods for the protection of subsonic, supersonic and hypersonic aircraft against laser weapons used by the enemy. They are based on recent research in the field of thermodynamics and nanostructures, projected onto the physicochemical properties of various types of solid and liquid rocket and aviation fuels. And here are some of the most effective ones.

Firstly, it is the coating of the outer side of aircraft with special ablative materials based on hydrocarbons, which during prolonged irradiation with a laser beam will evaporate, preventing the body of the aircraft from heating up.

The second method can be represented by the introduction into the inner side of the body of special lattice-cellular structures cooled by capillaries with antifreeze. This method can be easily combined with the first.

The third method is represented by the accelerated transmission and distribution of the laser heat spot from the LA body to the hydrocarbon fuel of the liquid or gaseous type. Special conductors 4-bladed screws with needles receiving and delivering heat energy act as conductors.

There is also a simpler way that can be combined with all of the above. It consists in creating the rotation of the aircraft around its axis (roll) due to oblique nozzles of the gas-dynamic system of rotation or gas-dynamic rudders. But this method is applicable only to cylindrical objects such as ICBMs, etc.

There are still many methods of protection against combat lasers, which will be discussed in our next reviews. But one thing remains obvious: the next 23 of the “lemon” from the American treasury will go down the drain.
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  1. guzik007
    guzik007 12 May 2016 06: 53
    +12
    23 lyama, which is small for coconuts with their cuts. Maybe lard?
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 14 May 2016 20: 28
      +1
      Well, this is only for the initial design of project projects! (by analogy with the queue for coupons for coupons). If it comes to iron, there will already be trillion.

      One thing is not clear to me: hypersonic warheads and rockets already heat up dofiga, from friction, this laser will be completely invisible to them, will it not?
  2. qwert
    qwert 12 May 2016 07: 46
    +4
    Americans are saved only by the fact that Russia is not generous in financing military developments, and even the entire amount does not reach the developers. In our country, Olympiads and various championships are somehow considered more important. The government does not spare money on this, which is essentially unnecessary luxury for the country.
  3. dsm100
    dsm100 12 May 2016 07: 51
    +5
    They printed dollars themselves and spend it themselves. 23 lyamas are not enough, they could throw more.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 30 October 2016 19: 42
      0
      They printed dollars themselves and spend
      Well, actually, it is not the states that print dollars, but the federal reserve, which lends them to the same states. But to fool financing from the budget, this is an art in which the Pentagon has reached unsurpassed heights.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 May 2016 08: 30
    +7
    A new round of delirium called SOI is only slightly modified. The carriers of laser systems are not satellites, but aircraft and vehicles on a wheel basis, as well as ships. But in fact, this is hysteria and nothing more. U-71 is very serious and intercept the object flying at a speed of 11 km / h is not yet possible. And I’m sure that in the near future 000-5 means of interception cannot be expected.
    Well, as soon as possible, we need to bring Sarmat to mind and put on watch.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 12 May 2016 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Well, as soon as possible, we need to bring Sarmat to mind and put on watch.

      sorry for the second half of the 16th moved. Better tolerate than with a mace.
      although this is yet to come.
      But Sarmat will do it. there is no doubt about it. There will not be anything wildly advanced. Nevertheless, the R-36 is taken as the basis.
      Much more interesting is "Zircon". This is a new and not yet conquered peak!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 May 2016 12: 28
        +4
        Quote: silver_roman
        There will not be anything wildly advanced.

        Is the object 4202 not advanced? Or the Yu-71 glider ... Call it what you want. With such characteristics as speed of 11 km / h and the ability to maneuver in hyper sound, Sarmat is not intercepted in principle.
        And what is taken as the basis is only the speculations of journalists. The Sarmat and Yu-71 project to the very top in the vultures of secrecy.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 12 May 2016 12: 36
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          And what is taken as the basis is only the speculations of journalists. The Sarmat and Yu-71 project to the very top in the vultures of secrecy.

          Andrei, good afternoon! hi To write about what you don’t understand, while adding to your incompetence in publishing cloying propaganda sauce - I consider it unacceptable for authors of VO. This publication is the clearest example of poor knowledge of the subject and ideological cliches.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2016 13: 30
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            Andrei, good afternoon!

            Good afternoon, Seryozha!
            Quote: Bongo
            This publication is the clearest example of poor knowledge of the subject and ideological cliches.

            Regarding the publication, I completely agree with you. But at the same time, there is reason to discuss the prospects of introducing such systems as Sarmat, BZHRK Barguzin and ICBM Rubezh into the troops.
            Best regards hi .
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 12 May 2016 12: 53
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Is object 4202 not advanced? Or the Yu-71 glider ... Call it what you want.

          First, I talked about Sarmat. In general, I don’t understand how you connected “not advanced” with “hypersound” in my proposal.
          Quote: silver_roman
          about Sarmat will do. there is no doubt about it. There will not be anything wildly advanced.


          I think you're confused! If I myself am not mistaken, then Sarmat is a project of a new heavy ICBM, which will replace the R-36 Voevoda. Like all individual homing units in other ICBMs, the Sarmat units will be hypersonic, tk. are put into orbit, and from there they are already guided to the target. It was all created and recreated decades ago!

          If we talk about hypersonic KR ("Zircon") or LA (Yu-71), then this is still only a distant prospect and the sweet dreams of Rogozin.
          Do you even imagine a speed of 11? No titanium will help anymore when it comes to flying in the Earth’s atmosphere. In short, these are fairy tales.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2016 13: 42
            +1
            Quote: silver_roman
            Sarmat is a project of a new heavy ICBM, which will replace the R-36 Voevoda

            What makes you think that the Sarmatian project is being done on the basis of the Voivode?
            Quote: silver_roman
            Like all individual homing blocks in other ICBMs, Sarmat blocks will be hypersonic, as are being put into orbit, and from there they are already being aimed at targets.

            Unlike previous developments, Sarmat is not only a hyper sound ICBM, but its elements, including warheads at this speed, are capable of maneuver.
            Quote: silver_roman
            If we talk about hypersonic KR ("Zircon") or LA (Yu-71), then this is still only a distant prospect and the sweet dreams of Rogozin.

            Why is it so far away? They will put zircon on Nakhimov, who will be handed over to the fleet in the 19th year. And Sarmat will be put on duty until 20, since the Governor’s life was extended to exactly 20 years.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 12 May 2016 14: 44
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Why is it so far away? They will put zircon on Nakhimov, who will be handed over to the fleet in the 19th year. And Sarmat will be put on duty until 20, since the Governor’s life was extended to exactly 20 years.

              Andrey, I am familiar with your optimism. I don’t understand why you believe so sacredly in the announced terms? Are the protracted programs PAK FA, Armata, Kurganets, etc. They don’t tell you anything?
              We have extended it until the 20th, and will be able to extend it to 30 if necessary. But I'm sure about Sarmat. Much more questions about Zircon. Or it will be "under-hypersound" at 3-4M, which by the way will also be great.
              Quote: NEXUS
              What makes you think that the Sarmatian project is being done on the basis of the Voivode?

              The voivode is nearing the end of its useful life. Sarmat developed and now put on stream as soon as possible. Do you really think that there is no continuity? Much similar or similar. Otherwise, the terms would be completely different. Take the same Mace, which is a unique development and remember how much it was made.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Unlike previous developments, Sarmat is not only a hyper-sound ICBM, but its elements, including warheads at this speed, are able to maneuver.

              Yars blocks are also of individual guidance, also hypersonic and also maneuver. It seems to have gone on Topol M. I could be wrong here.
              Hypersound in ICBMs is not a miracle. I think if you throw a brick from orbit, then near the surface of the earth its speed will be hypersonic! So do not confuse hypersound in the Earth’s atmosphere and beyond, where there is almost airless space.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 12 May 2016 17: 26
                +1
                Quote: silver_roman
                I don’t understand why you believe so sacredly in the announced terms?

                Because the terms of the Voivode extended THREE! More prolonged is both dangerous and pointless. You yourself know what a giptil is. And you have extended the deadlines for the Voivode to 20 years. Or do you think that the Voivode will be removed and Sarmat will be trimmed up to 30?
                Quote: silver_roman
                Much more questions about Zircon.

                Zircon is already declared in the installation on Nakhimov and Petra. Even if the RCC speed is 4 Mach, after operation, nothing prevents it from being finalized and modernized so that it flies faster.
                Quote: silver_roman
                Much similar or similar.

                The missiles are all essentially similar, only this does not mean that they took the Voevoda, pulled out everything obsolete and unnecessary and shoved everything new. Do you know how much work is being developed on Sarmat? I suppose you also cannot say how much it is being developed. I suspect the Sarmat project and the Yu- glider. 71 are developments that began in the USSR. The Albatross project, for example.
                Quote: silver_roman
                Hypersound in ICBMs is not a miracle. I think if you throw a brick from orbit, then near the surface of the earth its speed will be hypersonic!

                I am not talking about hyper sound as a result of a fall along a simple ballistic trajectory, but about the maneuverable hyper sound of missiles and warheads capable of maneuvering in pitch and yaw.
                Quote: silver_roman
                So do not confuse hypersound in the Earth’s atmosphere and beyond, where there is almost airless space.

                I don’t confuse. A large segment of the flight of Sarmat’s warheads will take place in the atmosphere, unlike previous ICBMs.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 12 May 2016 19: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Sarmat up to 30 years will be planed?

                  I understand what is needed, but it also happens that sometimes it doesn’t work out. And again: I’m sure about Sarmat, because I believe that it is based on the P-36.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Zircon is already declared in the installation at Nakhimov and Peter.

                  Andrei, you are again talking about the deadlines. Honestly, do you really believe in them so sacredly? MORE that they have already been ported many times over many programs. They’ll finish the zircon, put it, but until 2018 ....? No.
                  Just the program of Sarmatia and Zircon is a completely different technological level. In the first case, it is the development of old technologies with improvement, and Zircon is really a breakthrough and extremely complex technology. Hence my skepticism.
                  I often reply to your comments, because you always declare with confidence that everything will be on time and on this basis many draw false conclusions. Like "taa, pfff .... we already have PAK FAi armata, almost Leader, Zircon and Sarmat, PAK YES with an aircraft carrier on the way, in short Yankee kaput!" But this is all too wrong. This is where the booming slogans appear! I hope I got the message across!
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I am not talking about hyper sound as a result of a fall along a simple ballistic trajectory, but about the maneuverable hyper sound of missiles and warheads capable of maneuvering in pitch and yaw.

                  So this is completely different ...
                  There was an article on this subject.
                  Amersky SM-3 on TTX !!! can work for such purposes. At least the modern ones installed on the Yars. It is understood that the efficiency will be small, but there is a chance. There really need to install additional engines that allow the blocks to maneuver in 2 planes. But again, these are all improvements. And in general, this is not about that.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I don’t confuse. A large segment of the flight of Sarmat’s warheads will take place in the atmosphere, unlike previous ICBMs.

                  I can not argue, because I have not heard about this, but it seems to me unlikely, because anyway, you first need to put the blocks into orbit according to ballistics, and from there you can already dance in different ways using inertia + engine thrust + gravity)).
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 12 May 2016 20: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    And again: I’m sure about Sarmat, because I believe that it is based on the P-36.

                    I say that Sarmat is not a deeply modernized Voivode, but a completely new product. Of course, it uses the achievements of both the Voivode and the Boundary and Topol.
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    Andrei, you are again talking about the deadlines. Honestly, do you really believe in them so sacredly?

                    Excuse me, Roma, but do you seriously believe that Nakhimov will be handed over to the fleet without Zircon? Then why would he have it modernized if the main strike complex is absent?
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    They’ll finish the zircon, put it, but until 2018 ....?

                    No one has canceled the info war and the concept of secrecy. Or do you propose to publish all stages, including the deadlines for surrendering secret developments to the troops in the media and the internet?
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    I often reply to your comments, as you always declare with confidence that everything will be on time and many draw false conclusions on this basis.

                    There is indirect evidence of my confidence, which I described above. Nakhimov WILL NOT BE DELIVERED WITHOUT A MAJOR IMPACT COMPLEX TO THE FLEET.
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    Like "taa, pfff .... we already have PAK FAi armata, almost Leader, Zircon and Sarmat, PAK YES with an aircraft carrier on the way, in short Yankee kaput!"

                    Armata at the end of this or at the beginning of the 17th year will go into series. PAK FA, though so far with AL-41 it also passes the final tests and goes to the troops. The leader is the layout and chatter of our bureaucrats and I have talked about this more than once. according to the Leader, nothing really significant has been done, but there are only promises. PAK YES is far from even the design drawing, as well as the same Leader with the aircraft carrier Storm. There is really great confidence that Zircon, PAK FA, Armata will be brought to mind in the coming years and there are Wishers about Leader, with a displacement of 15 tons (although in modern Russia, military vessels with such tonnage were not built), an aircraft carrier with an aircraft wing of 000 units (although even a shipyard is not available in Russia), and PAK YES (despite the fact that while we are dressing up to launch production of TU-70M160), that so far, too, everything is very foggy.

                    Quote: silver_roman
                    Amersky SM-3 on TTX !!!

                    On paper and for educational purposes, the mattresses are famously successful. I can’t argue with that. But Aegis, even the mattresses say, are effective against our ICBMs only in the acceleration section! And for this, their squadrons should be located as close to our coasts as possible, which also It’s fraught, since coastal complexes and electronic warfare systems have not been canceled. In this case, you have to bare your shores, as the US Navy is this bulk of missile defense.
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 13 May 2016 09: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      I’m saying that Sarmat is not a deeply modernized Voivode, but a completely new product

                      In general, we will remain on this subject with our opinions. I just believe that we could not have made a fundamentally new heavy ICBM in such a short time. Although anything happens. It's just that I heard about the Mace probably in the early 2000s and only after more than 10 years did it somehow fly.
                      As for Rubezh, it’s like a branch of light ICBMs like Yars or Poplar, on mobile platforms.
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Excuse me, Roma, but do you seriously believe that they will surrender Nakhimov to the fleet without Zircon?

                      Nakhimov will be handed over to the fleet with UVP (universal launcher), where anything can fit, starting from calibers, onyxes, missiles, etc. Of course, I would very much like to have Zircon already, but as I said earlier, I doubt it. Too cool. The Yankees break their teeth about it, I generally am silent about the Chinese. I always keep silent about them when it comes to technology. They still do not really know how (apart from electronics and then on someone else's base).
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      No one has canceled the info war and the concept of secrecy. Or do you propose to publish all stages, including the deadlines for surrendering secret developments to the troops in the media and the internet?

                      Remember how the Mace, already mentioned many times, was accepted. Even the BBC, CNN and other publications posted info about the tests. You can’t hide it. The radar network very densely covers almost all areas.


                      At the expense of the PAK FA series, Almaty and other things: the series will be scanty in comparison with the plans. But this is not the main thing. PAK FA (as follows from the abbreviation) is a complex, not a glider, as many believe. and in this complex, many nodes have not yet been brought to mind, and some are completely absent (the engine, as you correctly noted).
                      If everything was so rosy, then there would not be such a large program of modernization of the T-72B to 72B3, etc.
                      In general, we will not guess. I just observe the trend and see that our bureaucrats like to throw loud words without reinforcing it with actions.
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Aegis, even mattresses claim, is effective against our ICBMs only in the acceleration area

                      A platform is already operating in southern Romania, and construction has begun in Poland. So the danger is real. Fortunately, so far, few people can and will want to go into the Arctic. The ice and all that, but it is melting and the Americans are already modernizing their boats under the northern waters.
                      I see the surest way is Barguzin. It is completely unclear when and where it is firing and in which direction.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 June 2016 16: 43
            +2
            Quote: silver_roman
            Can you imagine the speed in 11 000? No titanium will help anymore when it comes to flying in the Earth’s atmosphere.
            Titanium will not help ... And a cocoon of * cold * plasma?
            Stop clinging to 20 technology of the century: in the yard of 21!
            Quote: silver_roman
            In short, these are fairy tales.

            But what about: - "We were born to make a fairy tale come true!"
            Or disbelief in the Russian Kulibin and Left-Handed people completely infected the whole society?
            -In vain !!!
            PS. The OBS confidentially (under a big secret, in the ear!) Reported that the megawatnik (beam) knocks down everything that "shavels", flies and jumps. But while in a stationary version ... It's a pity!
            So it's not evening yet!
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 May 2016 18: 54
        0
        Quote: silver_roman
        Much more interesting is "Zircon". This is a new and not yet conquered peak!

        On the cruiser 1144 (Mokva, Varangian) will be installed Zircon / Zircon-S, (hypersonic missile 3M-22).
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 12 May 2016 19: 37
          +1
          "Moskva" and "Varyag", as well as the cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" projects 1164 Atlant.
          But you are right, there are plans to install Zircon on 1144 "Admiral Nakhimov" and probably further on "Peter the Great", but these are only plans. I am sure they are being implemented, but so far Zircon is still a promising development and there is no need to talk about its adoption in service in 2018. We wanted to do a lot in GPV-2020!
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 May 2016 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: silver_roman
            "Moskva" and "Varyag", as well as the cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" projects 1164 Atlant.

            Quite right. Thanks for the amendment. "Nakhimov" - 1144.
            Quote: silver_roman
            and probably further to "Peter the Great"

            As it was announced, first of all "Zircon" will be installed on the flagships of the fleets. Accordingly, to Moscow, Varyag and Peter the Great.
            Well, there are plans for a new series of ships "Leader".
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 12 May 2016 20: 33
              +1
              Quote: GSH-18
              Well, there are plans for a new series of ships "Leader".

              Closer to me and faster they plan the MAPL Husky with Zircon than the Leader.
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 12 May 2016 20: 43
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: GSH-18
                Well, there are plans for a new series of ships "Leader".

                Closer to me and faster they plan the MAPL Husky with Zircon than the Leader.

                What will be faster, time will tell. But in general, the state order is carried out without serious delays and disruptions, which in itself is pleasing. Yes, with the fleet, not everything is as smooth as we would like ... There is nothing to be done, we are all over the hill create difficulties for us and put sticks in the wheels wherever possible.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 13 May 2016 09: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  But in general, the state order is executed without serious delays and disruptions

                  Unfortunately, everything is much sadder. Much of what should already be, only something like where it cuts. Series are cut in many ways. They are trying to patch holes with old modernized samples: Su-30SM, T-72B3, armored personnel carriers, etc.
                  Everything is sad in the Navy. Highly.... recourse
                  Fucking Zaporizhzhya MotorSich specifically spoiled us. The truth is not their problem. On the contrary, they would like to cooperate, but geopolitics is a stubborn thing.
                  Project 885 one ash-tree floats, a nuclear submarine in the sense, the Boreas are somehow going. 3 pieces. Pledged more. We’ll take a look at how they will receive it. Lada, Kalina can’t hear anything at all. We are buying Warsaw women. Now they’ve completed it for the Black Sea Fleet, it’s going to go further to the Pacific Fleet. It’s good that the production was completed on foreign contracts. It would not be clear what would happen to 636.
                  The same 22350 was taken sooooo long for a long time. Now it seems like he is swimming and nothing is heard about the final stage of the tests. It seems that he shot himself in the north, we did not get any conclusions. What is there with Polement Redoubt is not at all clear. And this is an extremely important and critically necessary system for our fleet. Consider an analog of the same IJIS. In general, problems are above the roof.
                  The whole trouble of our authorities is that they say a lot and then do not fulfill it. Apparently come from the best options, but this is not true. It would be better if they didn’t say anything, but in fact they have already informed.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2016 12: 41
      0
      The warheads of ICBM Minuteman 3 have a speed of 25000 kilometers per hour.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 May 2016 20: 14
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        The warheads of ICBM Minuteman 3 have a speed of 25000 kilometers per hour.

        This is understandable, this is the normal speed for ballistic missiles flying at a very high altitude in ballistic missiles in airless or discharged space. Cruise missiles fly naturally slower, otherwise they will stupidly burn out in the atmosphere.
    3. CAMS
      CAMS 13 May 2016 10: 53
      0
      laser as a shooting gun is not a real thing. Americans think in terms of star wars movies. Hollywood demolishes the tower well. Our developments in the field of laser weapons are more pragmatic and the answer was given in the early 70s, PROSPECTS NO. The same is true with microwave rays. another thing is plasma
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 30 October 2016 19: 56
      0
      If laser weapons are brought to mind, then they can be used effectively only in space. Firstly, in the atmosphere, the beam will lose its energy component very quickly, especially in conditions of smoke, dustiness or high clouds. Secondly, long-range guidance is difficult, because, on any medium (airplanes, cars, ships), there are always a lot of mechanisms that create vibrations (also the effect of the external environment on the medium), from which the beam will tremble. At ranges of over 20-40 km, getting into a small object, which in addition also moves at high speed, is problematic in my opinion.
  5. Alexez
    Alexez 12 May 2016 08: 32
    +2
    Lasers are a promising military technology that will be in demand in the future, for example in space (all military satellites cannot be protected so simply). Therefore, our research institute and design bureau should work more carefully in this direction. But these are transatmospheric technologies and they are only being tested on earth, because in space it’s a little expensive for now.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 May 2016 08: 50
      0
      Quote: Alexez
      Lasers are a promising military technology that will be in demand in the future, for example, in space (all military satellites cannot be protected so simply)

      I think that the use of antiprotons will be promising, especially in space
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 May 2016 20: 19
        +2
        Quote: sa-ag
        I think that the use of antiprotons will be promising, especially in space

        Something from the realm of fiction. These particles were obtained only at laboratory accelerators (cyclotrons, etc.) having huge sizes, several km in diameter. How to shove such a generator into a military satellite? belay A portable option does not exist in nature request
  6. uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 May 2016 09: 17
    +3
    A laser in space can still be understood, but it certainly does not fit in the atmosphere (refraction, scattering of rays). Getting into a hypersonic target is a difficult task, but creating a cloud of small fragments on the way is more realistic. The Americans again went their own special way.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 May 2016 20: 22
      +1
      Quote: uskrabut
      A laser in space can still be understood, but it certainly does not fit in the atmosphere (refraction, scattering of rays)

      I agree. Meteorological weapon. Fog, rain and snow, a dust storm, greatly reduce efficiency.
  7. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 12 May 2016 10: 21
    +3
    Technology leveling the effects of laser on missiles a hundred years in the afternoon. They are developed and used in rocket science itself. These are ablative coatings and body rotation.
    The descent vehicles fly up to 12-15 minutes in a cloud of plasma during braking. ICBMs or warheads are no longer needed. For at a greater distance in a dense atmosphere, lasers are ineffective.
  8. Editor
    Editor 12 May 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: uskrabut
    Laser in space can still be understood


    the laser in space is disposable productpumped by a nuclear explosion.
    the USSR has already come up with the usual multiply-charged space gun, which with deadly power strikes everything that flies around the Earth.
  9. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 12 May 2016 10: 58
    0
    Give the Space Marines with laser guns!
  10. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 12 May 2016 11: 01
    0
    But seriously - I would like to know more, for example, about theoretical protection using materials with high reflectivity
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 12 May 2016 22: 24
      0
      Laser mirror as a coating is not effective enough. Only with the underlying cooling layer. Without this, the thin mirror film quickly warms up, then the reflectivity decreases and so on until destruction. Indeed, even the best reflective material silver reflects about 95% in the optical range. With powerful laser irradiation, these 5% is enough to quickly destroy the mirror film. And then everything becomes sad.
      So ablation materials on a refractory coating with low thermal conductivity. Like on the spacecraft descent vehicles.
      And to reduce the mass of the required ablation material on the skin - rotation in the longitudinal axis (for missiles). For aircraft - it is quite possible to do forced cooling of the skin, for example with fuel, before it is fed to the engine
  11. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 May 2016 11: 32
    +4
    Article -. complete heresy.

    Americans’s fear about the successful tests of promising hypersonic gliders capable of covering vast distances in just 1 minute - from 100 to 120 km

    There is a temporary gap of tens of years between the "relatively successful" testing and adoption of the serial model.

    Let's stop talking nonsense about all kinds of UAVs with a cruising speed of 7M and hundreds of offensive weapons and take a look at the reality. We have one of the weakest UAV development units among the member countries of this "club". You can't just jump over your head and make a battle cruiser. The example of the Chinese is very indicative. The glider was stolen, the engines were stolen, but it cannot be copied. Hard. And when they talk about such promising things as in the article, it becomes generally funny.
    One can only talk about the promising Zircon and how about the CD, which may someday fly. The fact that all sorts of churkins, rogozins and the like are talking about the adoption of this complex for service in 2018 and equipping "Nakhimov" with it in general from the "finger to the sky."
    Of course, some comrades on the site firmly believe in the steadfastness of their words, but the facts are the opposite. This was shown by the programs PAK FA, PAK DA and many more PAK **, armata, "Leader", etc.
    IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to lose personnel, technologies, production capacities for 20 years and take so easily to make advanced equipment. And we are talking about things that, in principle, do not yet exist! in general, be realistic! It all looks like the notorious "SOI" Yankees, when they simply imposed a cut of funds on the Union!
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 12 May 2016 11: 51
      +1
      apparently hurt someone's tender feelings. probably thought that according to GPV 2020 we will fly to Mars on promising destroyers! excuse me. true eyes hurts!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 May 2016 12: 49
        +1
        The flight to Mars was pushed back until 2040.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 12 May 2016 19: 53
          +3
          yeah, and on Jupiter until 2080. And we will get to Andromeda by about 2168.
          timing is an extremely abstract thing. you need to set real goals. need a five-year plan. here the Chinese are clearly doing everything for five years (our technology recourse )
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 12 May 2016 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: silver_roman
      Article -. complete heresy.

      yes I agree, the impression is that the author put together a bunch of unverified facts and sometimes he himself does not understand what he writes.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2016 12: 47
      +1
      The USA has a lot of experience in developing lasers, and the necessary technological solutions will catch up over time - in 10 years, combat lasers will most likely be in large numbers with them, and maybe even with us, in service.
  12. Essex62
    Essex62 12 May 2016 13: 09
    -2
    Quote: NEXUS
    A new round of delirium called SOI is only slightly modified. The carriers of laser systems are not satellites, but aircraft and vehicles on a wheel basis, as well as ships. But in fact, this is hysteria and nothing more. U-71 is very serious and intercept the object flying at a speed of 11 km / h is not yet possible. And I’m sure that in the near future 000-5 means of interception cannot be expected.
    Well, as soon as possible, we need to bring Sarmat to mind and put on watch.

    The next 30-40 years will not be able to intercept hypersonic carriers, incl. Russia should not get involved in an arms race (read quantitatively increase weapons systems), but calmly bring to mind development, implement and put on combat duty. Not when the Masons decide to start, knowing about the turnover. The gut is thin, they want to live.
  13. VSkilled
    VSkilled 12 May 2016 13: 44
    0
    "They told me, you can't watch TV from morning till night!" © (Housekeeper from the cartoon "Carlson is Back!")

    In S'Sh'P - they just watch too much any kind of sci-fi crap a la "Star Wars". Including, and - developers.

    Avon to you, and - a byproduct ...
  14. Essex62
    Essex62 12 May 2016 14: 24
    -1
    Quote: VSkilled
    "They told me, you can't watch TV from morning till night!" © (Housekeeper from the cartoon "Carlson is Back!")

    In S'Sh'P - they just watch too much any kind of sci-fi crap a la "Star Wars". Including, and - developers.

    Avon to you, and - a byproduct ...

    En no! There, eggheads sweat in their faces. The dream of total superiority and unpunished first strike prevails among families. They sleep and see how to bury the rebellious and incomprehensible Russians. We can come up with something over time, but we can not.
    1. VSkilled
      VSkilled 12 May 2016 18: 13
      -2
      "A fancy" computer "for 100500 money" to control the normalized pressure of hydraulics on the launch pad of missiles - "they have." Which, not only was worth at that time, was simply prohibitively expensive, but also failed constantly.

      And - swinging levers for the same purposes - "with us". "Naked Mechanics" with 100% (!) Reliability.

      Super duper "fountain pen for weightlessness", still "with a horse price tag" - "they have."

      And - a modest pencil with a slightly modified lead recipe - "here".

      The list goes on. Spectacular, ultra-expensive "show-off" for cutting the military budget - an invariable "birthmark", almost all amerskih developments.

      Those who can print colored paper wrappers and successfully exchange them for full resources can afford it.

      And yet - yes ... The sad example of the murdered Soviet Union shows that "a donkey laden with gold" for buying traitors is much more effective than any weapons.

      Ah, lasers, yes - all sorts of flying guns, like "thunderbolt", this is so ... to frighten wild Papuans.
      Which of the weapons-only Kalash Chinese ...
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 12 May 2016 23: 05
        +3
        Super duper "fountain pen for weightlessness", still "with a horse price tag" - "they have."
        In 1965, Paul Fisher, a small stationery manufacturer, invented a universal pen pen, where damped ink was pressurized with nitrogen. Under the name Antigravity pen AG-7 (its lucky number), he patented his rod (patent H 3.285.228) and began selling. NASA drew attention to its development and used Fisher pens in space during Apollo 7 programs in 1968 after a year and a half of tests. Since then, NASA's Fisher space pen supplier. The rod costs 5 pounds in London, serves about six months. Inexpensive. And before the invention of the programmer, Gemini and Mercury used drawing pencils on board the stations. So NASA did not erase the trail for development and use — they were developed by a small rationalizer, and stories about the crazy idea to use a pencil-spreading cranberry.
  15. h_d
    h_d 13 May 2016 09: 33
    +1
    1. A plasma cloud forms around the aircraft flying at high speed (experts can specify at what altitude, most likely there will not be such a cloud in space). how will the laser beam overcome this cloud?

    2. And how will they accompany the aircraft with their laser if it flies at high speed? it's a few seconds, minutes. and then it will either go out of sight or change its position relative to the irradiating laser, i.e. will substitute another projection, which will have to be "reheated".

    in general, another drank and an attempt to scare funderwaffle-SOI.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 May 2016 14: 43
    0
    The laser, no matter how you dance, is a sure candidate for the position of "gravedigger of ICBMs".
    To bang the defenseless 1st step in front of the second branch is so tempting
    that attempts to create such a weapon are "impossible to refuse."

    Therefore, the US developments in the field of lasers in Russia are fairly treated
    especially nervous.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 June 2016 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is so tempting to bang the defenseless first stage before the second is separated that it is "impossible to refuse" attempts to create such a weapon.
      Good afternoon, Alexey.
      From the report of the group of American experts on the problem of intercepting ICBMs at the active site for NMD (2010) it follows that:
      "1) the probability of intercepting ICBMs in the active area is low, and there is no prospect of intercepting a solid-propellant ICBM with a MIRV (or any ICBM in the active area * AU *), starting at a distance of more than 500-600 km from the interceptor deployment (including an airborne laser * ABL *) regardless of its characteristics;
      2) the greater potential effectiveness of interceptor missiles compared to the LWB;
      3) the disproportionate cost of a space-based intercept system to repel an attack by one ICBM on an AU. "

      On the active site (where the burnup of the 1 stage of ICBMs is included), only liquid ICBMs can be intercepted (their acceleration time = 240sec). But ICBMs with turbojet engines have an OUT in 120-180sec - interceptors do not have time to catch up.
      Specialists concluded:
      4. The air-based laser (LHB) currently under development may have some protection against liquid-fuel rockets, but it will be ineffective against solid-fuel rockets that are more heat-resistant.

      But there is no doubt that lasers will become weapons of the cosmic battlefield.
  17. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 18 May 2016 16: 29
    0
    Nothing goes in vain, Do not need a cheap blab. Once they work, then they will work .... The rezeltat can be indirect, on other topics. And it costs a lot ... And then we have to because of our budget again blueprint blueprints .... to be safe)))
  18. ksv36
    ksv36 11 October 2016 09: 52
    0
    Do you even imagine a speed of 11? No titanium will help anymore when it comes to flying in the Earth’s atmosphere. In short, these are fairy tales. [/ Quote]
    You forget about the plasma. No one has canceled it and they continue to work on it.