Submarine with steam-gas turbine C-99. 617 project

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[semirek]

An interesting article, I think these boats would get a ticket to life if nuclear power had not come into the submarine fleet.

[qwert]

220 km at a speed of 20 knots, quite well. It is a pity that the only accident stopped further work.

[code54]

Very interesting! An alternative such mover! The first time I heard that they planned on the submarine.

[Amurets]

Quote: semirek

An interesting article, I think these boats would get a ticket to life if nuclear power had not come into the submarine fleet.

The French are still working on submarines with a single engine of this type. The article is interesting because it describes in detail the work on the work on a power plant of this type. I have come across materials on the work on submarines with a single closed-loop liquid oxygen engine several times. In TM and, it seems, TV there were descriptions of the first power plants from the thirties. Then materials appeared on the "Lighters". Submarine project A-615. There was an article in TM about a power plant of this type, but only about a German submarine of the XXVI series. I have already forgotten the details, but it seems that the Germans had problems due to the lack of MVP.
http://engine.aviaport.ru/issues/41/page40.html

[bionik]

Quote: Amurets

still working on submarines with a single engine

In 1903, engineer S.K. Drzewiecki proposed to build a submarine with a "single" engine for surface and underwater passage.

As a single engine, two four-stroke gasoline engines of the Panar and Levassor firm with a capacity of 130 hp were assumed. each, using gears, worked on a propeller shaft with a four-blade propeller.

In the above-water position, gasoline engines worked according to the usual scheme - exhaust gases through the muffler and non-return valve were released into the atmosphere; in the underwater position, the air stored in 45 air guards at a pressure of 200 atmospheres was supplied to the engine room to ensure the operation of gasoline engines. The total air supply was about 11 cubic meters and was supposed to ensure the operation of gasoline engines for 4 hours.

Air pressure from 200 atmospheres to 18 was reduced in the pressure reducing valve (expander), after which the air entered the piston pneumatic engine, which actuated the gas pump, pumped the exhaust gases through a superstructure, which served as a kind of silencer, into the exhaust pipe located under the keel and had a large number of small holes. Leaving in small streams from the numerous openings of the outlet pipe, the exhaust gases (mainly carbon dioxide) had to dissolve in water.

In a pneumatic engine, air pressure decreased from 18 to 1,2 atm. and at the same time, safe for personnel pressure, air entered the engine room.

There were no rowing motors and a battery on this boat.

To illuminate the interior, a dynamo was used, driven by a 5 hp petrol engine of the same company, and the same petrol engine powered the steering machine.
The submarine proposed by S.K. Dzhevetskiy, was highly appreciated by A.N. Krylov, who was at that time acting. Chairman of the Marine Technical Committee and was ordered by the "Company St. Petersburg Metal Plant" at the expense of the "Special Committee for Strengthening the Navy on Voluntary Donations."

The project was developed by the Metal Plant under the direction of Dzhevetsky and submitted for approval in 1905.

Despite the fact that the operation of the Pochtovy submarine confirmed the possibility of diving with internal combustion engines operating in a submerged position, the submarine of this type remained the only one.
It was not possible to achieve the trace of the boat’s movement under water - the bubbles of exhaust gases were noticeable on a light ripple, an oil trail stretched for 2-3 boats behind the boat. The power of the gas pump turned out to be insufficient for pumping exhaust gases from both gasoline engines, so only one left engine was working in the underwater position. The complexity and low structural reliability of the mechanisms required an extremely high qualification of the personnel serving the boat. Great complaints were caused by high noise of gasoline engines; it took 2 to 3 days to charge the air fuses.

[bionik]

Mortgaged in 1906 at Metallichesky for water in St. Petersburg for voluntary donations and on August 30, 1908 was added to the lists of the ships of the Baltic Fleet, launched in 1908, entered service in 1909: it was the first underwater in the world boat with a single propulsion system.

November 29, 1906 was transferred to Kronstadt, where her preliminary tests began. In 1907-1908 the factory eliminated the comments of the selection committee and carried out the necessary alterations. In March 1909 she was enrolled in the Scuba Diving Squad. June 4, 1909 was listed in the Training Unit.

July 27, 1913 was withdrawn from combat, disarmed, deposited at the St. Petersburg military port. August 5, 1913 expelled from the BF.

In September 1913, at the suggestion of the chief of the submarine brigade and the head of the training detachment, Rear Admiral Levitsky, she was transferred to the Baltic Plant, where it was supposed to conduct experiments on the use of an oxygen engine proposed by Midshipman M. Nikolsky. In October 1914, it was used near Kronstadt to determine the effect on submarine structures of submarine explosions. September 16, 1924 transferred to the State Collective Funds for dismantling and cutting for metal. November 21, 1925 is excluded from the lists of the ships of the RKKF.

[Amurets]

Quote: bionik

In September 1913, at the proposal of the chief of the submarine brigade and the head of the training detachment, Rear Admiral Levitsky, was transferred to the Baltic Plant, where it was supposed to conduct experiments on the use of an oxygen engine proposed by Midshipman M. Nikolsky

Further work on the gas-oxygen cycle was the work on the boats REDO R-1 and M-401. The NKVD carried out the work. A-401 project came out of the development of the M-615 submarines.
http://deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/17-45/95/list.html
http://www.town.ural.ru/ship/ship/m401.php3
http://www.nashflot.ru/page/sssr/proekt%20915/4
Submarine S-99, this is another type of non-volatile SSU. There is also a Stirling engine and fuel cells. These are two more types of VNEU

[inkass_98]

Interesting design. Thanks to the author.

[Zeeke]

It would be nice now to think about finding alternative sources. Still not eternal nuclear submarine reactors. article is great!

[Amurets]

Quote: Zeeke

It would be nice now to think about finding alternative sources. Still not eternal nuclear submarine reactors. article is great!

Above, I dropped the link to anaerobic engines for submarines, but in my opinion there is no alternative to nuclear power plants. The French are building a nuclear submarine of the "Barracuda" type for themselves, but on the VO it was that the French were building a diesel-electric version of this submarine for India and Australia on the basis of this nuclear submarine The variant is called "Scorpena."
http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2016/04/27/65407

[Nitarius]

"Perpetual motion machines" in the service of the Third Reich! They are machines of a great resource!


... actually my research in this area began with this source, “British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, 1946:“ The Invention of Hans Coler Relating to an Alleged New Source of Power, p. 2 "." It is reported that the device was started by development in 1933, and the technology for generating electricity was known in Germany 6 years before the start of the war. It is reported that in Germany found practical application of this device in submarines providing the latter with the characteristics of the submarine range as in modern nuclear submarines. But, the device, structurally, was much simpler and cheaper than nuclear reactors.

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I talked with one grandfather about work, talked about the war, told him that I was interested in the secret weapons of the Third Reich, and grandfather told me an interesting thing. He turned out to be the old man on a mine minesweeper. In 1945, a submarine was seized in Poland at the pier, the guard was from the NKVDshnikov. Their minesweeper was engaged in towing the boat to Leningrad. The convoy was of seven ships! To the questions: what are we going to tow?

[Nitarius]

The following is a message cited from British intelligence of the Subcommittee, (BIOS Report No. 2394: C31 / 4799), entitled: Hans Kohler’s invention relating to the supposedly new energy source (BIOS Final Report No. 1043: Clause 31), as provided UK Public Department of Scientific and Industrial Research, National Library of Crediting for Science and Technology. Report by R. Hurst, Department of Supply.


And now for "Andromeda": the tachyonator is a development of the hexagonal tachyonator of Hans Kohler. Differs in increased size and power. And it is not single row. Produced at the Siemens plant, apparently since 1942, in small quantities. Conceptually similar to the Roshchin-Godin platform, but with increased revs and several rows. The boats on which it was installed are identified as pl XVI series. Their displacement matches the data of the British naval intelligence. Tachyonators on boats were used with the Marconi vortex dynamo, but I could not find anything on the network with it. It is believed that it could provide more power generation than conventional electrodynamic generators. The prototype of the Hans Kohler tachyonator in 1934, during tests, developed a power of 60 kilowatts (the same hexagonal scheme) (the mentioned platform showed a power of 7 kilowatts).
According to the description of the operation of the tachyonator on the boat, the situation is as follows: The engine starts from the starting motor of the engine spinning the rotor to critical revolutions of energy self-sufficiency, when the tachyonator stops consuming electricity for work. At this moment, the electric motor is disconnected from the engine and the electric motor itself is turned off. At the same time, the generator is connected, and the engine starts work on generating electricity, without needing it to ensure its operation. Next, the battery is charged and direct electric power is transmitted to the propeller motors.
According to the tachioners of Hans Kohler, it is known that after the war not a single engine model was found. The prototype was restored somehow in 1989. There were several design diagrams of the apparatus and only the circuit was restored - which includes six permanent magnets located in a hexagon-shaped plane. Coils generating output power are wound on each of the magnets.
The anti-tachyonator "Tula" produced by AEG was able to carry out calculations (the main parameters were taken from the Roshchin-Godin platform) - residual induction 0,85 T, coercive force Нс ≈ 600 kA / m and magnetic energy W ≈ 150 kJ / m3 and other technical parameters his platform since there is no such data on German tachyonators. It turns out that: If we calculate on the basis of the data indicated for the experimental engine, then we get the following: power generation - 138,6 kilowatts at 600 rpm; with a load delay - 277,2 kilowatts at 600 rpm. When using a pulsed magnetic field generator 4a - no data. Anti-gravity - 693% at 600 rpm.
For a 10-row tachyonator - power generation - 1386 kilowatts at 600 rpm; when the load is delayed - 2772 kilowatts at 600 rpm. Antigravity - 6930% at 600 rpm.
"Thule" - tachyonator 70, 23,1 meters in diameter. Control: pulse generator of magnetic field 4a.
There is also no information about the pulsed magnetic field generator, therefore it is not involved in the calculations, although it should be taken into account.

[sub307]

Regenerator:

[sub307]

Walter's turbine:

[sub307]

General layout of the EU with the Walter turbine:

[pimen]

most likely, the power plant of non-nuclear submarines will remain combined: an ordinary turbine (steam and gas generator) or diesel (stirling), plus batteries and fuel cells. In principle, the power of an air-independent installation should ensure that the batteries are charged under water (and, if possible, fast!) - this is important, not the main move. Fuel cells will be spent sparingly and in force majeure

[archi.sailor]

thanks to the author, informative and interesting article

[proud]

Excellent article - thanks for your work!