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Astana seeks to produce modern weapons independently


March 14 Kazakhstan launched the construction of the country's first cartridge factory, which should provide the army with the most demanded types of ammunition for rifle fire. arms. Despite the economic crisis, the republic is actively developing the defense-industrial complex, trying to at least partially provide the armed forces with its own products.

The development of the defense industry is also stimulated by the growing conflict in the Middle East and the former Soviet Union, which, according to Astana, is a potential threat.

Until the last Soviet patron

The Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan (RK) Imangali Tasmagambetov personally started the construction of the cartridge plant. The site is located in Karaganda on the territory of the special economic zone "Saryarka". The press release of the defense department explains that the plant is being created "to ensure the necessary level of national security, as well as taking into account the reduction of the available stock of small arms ammunition." The most popular types of ammunition for small arms in the republics of the former USSR are outlined for production: 5,45x39, 7,62x54, 9X18, 9x19 millimeters. Thanks to the new enterprise, Kazakhstan expects not only to cover domestic needs for the cartridges of these calibers, but also to set up export.

The assertion that the construction of the plant is associated with a decrease in available reserves is not entirely true. In February, the upper house of parliament approved the donation of five million cartridges to neighboring Kyrgyzstan, which are expiring. If the Kazakh army, which is not at war with anyone, did not manage to shoot them at the test sites, it means that there has not yet been a shortage. The deficit could be compensated for through purchases in Russia. The real reason for the construction of the plant is that Kazakhstan wants to become independent of its northern neighbor in such a sensitive area as ammunition, stimulating the development of its own defense and metallurgy. Only the consumption of brass after commissioning the plant is projected to be around 300 tons per year. The use of local raw materials and materials, as emphasized in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, will ensure independence from external suppliers.

The Canadian company Waterbury Farrel will supply production equipment for the plant; its capacity after commissioning will be 30 million cartridges per year. It is planned to complete construction by the end of 2017. That is, after two years, the republic will be able to independently supply itself with cartridges. At the same time, a huge amount of Soviet-made ammunition will remain in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan. Only millimeters of 5,45X39 cartridges, as noted at recent Senate hearings, Kazakhstan has more than a billion.

Armored vehicles with a sight to China


The events of two years ago in the Crimea, the rapid actions of the special forces units sharply increased in the CIS countries interest in light wheeled armored vehicles. Kazakhstan went a proven way and created the production of armored wheeled vehicles with the South African company Paramount Group. The Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering joint venture has been producing three types of armored vehicles: Marauder, Maverick and Mbombe, which received the names Arlan, Nomad and Barys in Kazakhstan.

Competence seekers"Arlan" is an armored vehicle with a mass of 13 and a carrying capacity of five tons with a wheel formula 4х4. Accommodates two crew members and eight paratroopers. Hull reservation provides mine and ballistic protection for the STANAG 4569 3 level. The maximum speed on the highway - 120 kilometers per hour, power reserve - 700 kilometers. On tests in Kazakhstan, according to local sources, “Arlan” withstood an explosion of eight kilograms of TNT, shelling from a Kalashnikov assault rifle of 5,45 caliber and 7,62 millimeter from a distance of 50 meters, from the SVD - from 100 meters. Actually, Kazakhstan is only the body. Engines and bridges for Arlan will supply Russian KamAZ. In the future, it is planned to bring the share of its own components to 40 percent. The cost of the car is not called, the original armored car costs about half a million dollars. Production plans include the release of 120 machines per year.

The company was started with the expectation of export. The license agreement provides for the possibility of delivery to 12 countries, including Russia and China. At the end of January, during the visit of Imangali Tasmagambetov to Jordan, an agreement was signed on the supply of Arlans to the armed forces of the 50 kingdom. For an industry that has barely deployed assembly production, this contract, if executed, will be a great success. Initially, Astana, apparently, was counting on the Russian market. But in the current conditions, Moscow is unlikely to buy Arlans. The anti-crisis plan for the 2016 year provides for the purchase of own-made armored vehicles. Moreover, having been burned by cooperation with Ukraine, the placement of military orders abroad — even in allied states, it would seem — is not enthusiastic for Russia.

With the release of "Nomad" and "Barys" certainty less. "Nomad" is intended for the police. "Barys" is more suitable for equipping army units. It is supposed to be released in two versions: 6x6 and 8x8. The six-wheeled version differs from the “Arlan” by almost twice the weight (22,5 tons) and increased capacity. In addition to the commander, driver and gunner, Barys is designed for eight full-armed paratroopers. Equipping these vehicles to the army and police will require large expenditures of the budget, which is going through hard times because of falling oil prices. “Barys” essentially represents the modern version of the BTR, but the Soviet BTR-60, -70 and -80, which are currently in service, are not in a position to replace them, which is well understood in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. It is not by chance that a press release published about the release of “Barys” states that its production can be adjusted if there is a need for ground forces for this type of equipment.

Exporting optics is not yet viewed.


In recent years, Kazakhstan has begun to develop fundamentally new segments of the military industry. In April, 2011, the largest national defense holding company Kazakhstan Engineering, the Turkish company ASELSAN, and the Turkish Defense Industry Committee set up a joint venture in which the founders received a percentage of shares of 50, 49 and 1, respectively. It is focused on the production of night and day vision devices, thermal imagers, optical sights, and other products of similar subjects. Since there was no such high-tech production in Kazakhstan before, it can be assumed that the share of its own components in optical devices will be modest.

In contrast to the assembly production of armored vehicles, where there are already prototypes and even the first deliveries are planned for our own army and for export, little is known about Astana’s success in the production of military optics. The export of instruments manufactured by Kazakhstan ASELSAN Engineering was discussed during a recent visit by Imangali Tasmagambetov to Jordan, but no specific contracts were signed. In December, 2015 reported that this year the company plans to start producing infrared lenses for thermal imagers using nanotechnology. The CIS countries and Turkey are considered as promising markets for them. However, Russian customers cannot be counted on, since in the conditions of the conflict with Ankara, Moscow is unlikely to go for the purchase of Turkish military-industrial complex products assembled in Kazakhstan.

A similar situation with the production of military electronics. In June, 2011-th Kazakhstan Engineering and the Spanish company Indra Sistemas SA created a joint venture in which Astana received 49 percent. It was supposed to establish the production of radar, EW systems, intelligence and other military electronics. However, nothing is known about success in this direction. The main supplier of communications for the Kazakh army is still the Alma-Ata plant named after SM Kirov. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, over the past five years, the company has supplied the armed forces of the republic with more than 100 mobile communications equipment, of which more than 40 - in 2015. The same plant last year provided the modernization of the command-staff machines P-142H1 on the basis of KamAZ, developing for them intercom and switching equipment.

Caspian patrol


Attempts to create assembly plants are being undertaken by Astana in the aircraft industry. In December, the joint venture Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering was established by 2010 in collaboration with Airbus Helicopters. According to plans, its performance was to make 10 – 12 EC-145 helicopters per year, assembled from vehicle kits. However, mastering the assembly was not easy. The number of helicopters delivered by the SC RK is still calculated in units, the transfer of each vehicle becomes an event. At the end of 2012, the Kazakh side discussed with the "Helicopters of Russia" the possibility of organizing the Ka-226T assembly production in the Republic at the Aircraft Repair Plant No. 405 in Almaty. The needs of the domestic market were estimated at 200 – 250 machines, whereas in the republic at that time only 100 of such helicopters were operated. But further discussions did not go.

The achievements of the Kazakhstani military-industrial complex in military shipbuilding are more noticeable, for which there are objective reasons. In the Great Patriotic War, several large arms manufacturing enterprises were evacuated here for the Soviet Navy. After the collapse of the USSR, they were partially redesigned for civilian products and mastered a new type of activity - the construction of small military vessels. Controlling the vast sector of the Caspian Sea, rich in hydrocarbon reserves and fish, Kazakhstan needs its own patrol navy.

Two enterprises of the city of Uralsk are engaged in military shipbuilding - the Zenit plant and the Gidropribor scientific research institute. The first in two and a half decades 23 ship built from 13 to 250 tons. "Gidropribor" produces speedboats with a displacement of up to 70 tons. In February 2016, Kazakhstan Engineering announced the upcoming modernization of Zenit, which will allow it to build ships up to 600 tons of deadweight.

Military for internal needs


The geography of military-technical cooperation of Kazakhstan suggests that, despite the membership in the CSTO and the EAEU, Astana is focused on joint development with leading defense enterprises of Turkey, the European Union and South Africa. Moreover, this tendency manifested itself long before the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, which aroused concerns among the leadership of the republic and part of the titular nation that North Kazakhstan inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking peoples could repeat the fate of Crimea. The main reason for focusing on cooperation with foreign defense companies is the desire to pursue a multi-vector foreign policy, as well as access to modern military technology in order to establish their own production and export supplies in the future.

On this road, Kazakhstan faced numerous difficulties related to the narrowness of the domestic market, the lack of a production base, the necessary competencies and qualified personnel. In economic terms, small-scale assembly production of military equipment is unprofitable. Therefore, the calculation was on the markets of Russia and other EAEU countries. But with Western sanctions and the conflict with Ankara, the prospects for the purchase by Moscow of military equipment, which is a product of the European or Turkish military-industrial complex under the Kazakhstani brand, are close to zero. It is not by chance that Astana is actively trying to establish the export of defense products to countries in the Middle East. But there are military-technical ties that have developed over decades and it is very difficult to enter this market.

In the Soviet military industrial complex, the bulk of workers and engineers were traditionally Slavs. It was precisely the need for building and providing personnel for new enterprises that largely explained the influx of the European population into the territory of the Kazakh SSR in the post-war years. However, in the quarter of a century that has passed since independence, the republic lost half of its Russian population and many competencies in machine building and other industries have simply been lost. As a result, it is difficult today to find qualified personnel for military enterprises. They are trying to solve the problem by training students in Western technological universities under the Bolashak program, whose participants are almost exclusively Kazakhs. But such an approach implies a transition to Western technical standards, which takes time and corresponding competencies.

Certain successes achieved in the military industry in recent years do not allow us to speak of the presence of a developed defense industry in Kazakhstan. If you do not succeed in entering foreign markets and establish export of defense products, chances are high that new enterprises will remain small-scale assembly production for domestic needs.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 23 2016 05: 14
    +8
    Certain successes achieved in the field of military industry in recent years do not allow talking about the presence of a well-developed defense industry complex in Kazakhstan.

    Nazarbayev leads his game in all directions ... what is surprising.
    And it is necessary to take it calmly and establish your lobby in KAZAKHSTAN civilly and legally.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 23 2016 05: 45
      +8
      The game is played by officials on money laundering and cutting the budget, they also represented the construction of a plant for the production of small aircraft, built, drank money, the plant costs, well, actually, there were no planes.
    2. Gvas1174
      Gvas1174 April 23 2016 05: 47
      +8
      That's right, if you want your interests to vomit, promote them comprehensively.
      Respect for the article to the author. Without juggling and false defamation. But everything is right about the bolashak, Kazakhstan is forced to rely on nts frames so as not to depend, and if I had rarely met Kazakh techies before, now there are quite a lot of guys compared to the past, namely, Kazakhs. And I give many as an example to my boobies, regardless of nationality. Although corruption can eat up any good undertakings by half
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 23 2016 07: 54
        +2
        What is it that Kazakhstan is constantly trying to drag its Turkish trash into Russia? We have our own production, and an enviable share of exports.
        1. Stavros
          Stavros April 23 2016 12: 07
          +1
          There will be a desire, read Nazarbayev’s speech at the Turkish-Kazakh forum in Istanbul in 2012. A very interesting speech, a lot of interesting things can be learned.
          1. kolexxx
            kolexxx April 24 2016 16: 00
            +2
            "As Ataturk said:" The time will come when all the Turks will unite. Therefore, I want to greet all the Turkic-speaking brothers. Over 200 million brothers live between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea. If we all unite, we will be a very effective force in the world, " said Nursultan Abishevich at the Turkish-Kazakh business forum.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal April 24 2016 22: 54
        0
        Quote: Gvas1174
        And I cite many as an example of my boobies, regardless of nationality. Although corruption can eat up any good undertakings by half

        - twenty-five years in the post-Soviet space have been struggling with this, but no success from the word at all sad I think not half but more ... Stalinist methods are not welcomed in the world, but when the general couldn’t take the extracted belongings out of the defeated Germany by what ways the ordinary border guard didn’t let him through, it now looks INCREDIBLE! And hence the question - why are Stalinist methods not welcome? Is it because they are actually effective?
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 23 2016 07: 59
      -4
      It is not clear why the Kyrgyz Republic does not like cooperation in the EAEU? Or is everything so bad with our cartridges? Are they really going to make their legs to China in a "multi-vector" manner?
      1. avt
        avt April 23 2016 10: 14
        +9
        Quote: siberalt
        It is not clear why the Kyrgyz Republic does not like cooperation in the EAEU? Or is it so bad with ammo?

        laughing You want to forbid them and cartridges to do!? wassat That is, if
        But in the current conditions Moscow is unlikely to buy Arlans. The anti-crisis plan for 2016 provides for the purchase of armored vehicles of its own production. Moreover, having burned himself in cooperation with Ukraine, Russia is not enthusiastic about placing military orders abroad - even in seemingly allied states.
        That Kazakhs must certainly buy everything from us? No, I do not mind, but for a minute they have since 1991 as an independent state and even this entire EAEU business nothing personal, and the ammunition and the ability to make for their own army and police is just deeply personal. And it's not a matter of
        Quote: siberalt
        Are they really going to make their legs to China in a "multi-vector" manner?
        But this article is strong! laughing
        The achievements of the Kazakhstani military-industrial complex in military shipbuilding are more noticeable, for which there are objective reasons.
        laughing If with a transport middleweight, a light turntable and armored cars, the efforts and result of U are understandable, then the powerful Caspian fleet of Kazakhstan, relying on its own shipyards, is something! laughing Then, without further ado, they would order "Buyanov" about four things from Zelenodol residents in the version of the IAC and MRK, and even with the "Uranami", and if I were in their place, I would intercept a couple of RKs stuck in Rybinsk, well, those export ones that are for the Black Sea Fleet decided to finish building. It would also be a good reinforcement and quite specific. Attempts to establish the production of weapons at home, and even more so to completely localize them at home, are understandable. But the main issue here is not even the choice of good samples and the organization of production sites, and not even money, you can scrape together for defense. FRAMES! Cadres are everything! We ourselves have a shortage. But Kazakhs will be able to establish professional training, starting from a highly qualified worker Yu, and this is sometimes more important than even a high-quality engineer, to a competent manager - an organizer (not to be confused with a manager and even a top manager)? the problems of the sun will be closed on their own.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 23 2016 10: 27
          +4
          Quote: avt
          That Kazakhs must certainly buy everything from us?

          Greetings!
          The other day Kommersant published a news article - they say Kazakhstan does not allow Russian companies to enter its arms market and there is a lot of "honey" there, in monetary terms, They say the market is open for Kazakhstani manufacturers of specific products. But I don’t remember what was sold in Russia? Maybe uranium ?
          And here in the article

          But in the current conditions Moscow is unlikely to buy Arlans. The anti-crisis plan for 2016 provides for the purchase of armored vehicles of its own production. Moreover, having burned himself in cooperation with Ukraine, Russia is not enthusiastic about placing military orders abroad - even in seemingly allied states.

          Mutual trade is a two-way road.
          Links to the businessman.
          http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2968904
          http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2969858
          1. avt
            avt April 23 2016 10: 40
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            Greetings!
            The other day Kommersant published a news article - they say Kazakhstan does not allow Russian companies to enter its arms market and there is a lot of "honey" there, in monetary terms, They say the market is open for Kazakhstani manufacturers of specific products. But I don’t remember what was sold in Russia? Maybe uranium ?

            hi Well, maybe uranium, Australia seems to have joined the sanctions and its supplies from there seem to have stopped. Maybe some other raw materials, or semi-finished product for the manufacture of the final product. That's honest - not up to date on the details.
        2. user
          user April 23 2016 13: 56
          +1
          You want to forbid them and cartridges to do!?


          I did not understand what you started to write with kerosene. If you do not understand, I explain

          Only the consumption of brass after the enterprise is put into operation is projected to be about 300 tons per year.


          It's great to open a huge production for 5 brass wagons, as well as in other positions. For a country of this size and population (note I don’t give any other arguments), if there is no sustainable export, all of the above projects are unprofitable. Yes, you can provide yourself with ammunition, why not, production is not profitable, so it is for national security. Well, with ammunition, it can crawl through, and aviation, and the fleet (even for patrolling). In this situation, any economy will fly into the pipe, and after it the state will collapse. Kazakhstan has only two ways in this:
          The first to lie under someone (and not necessarily under Russia).
          The second is to enter into cooperation with a number of countries (and again not necessarily under Russia).

          As you can see, with all due respect to Nazarbayev, his choice is not great, well, I think they will figure it out themselves.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 23 2016 14: 36
            +2
            Quote: user
            In this situation, any economy will fly into the pipe, and after it the state will collapse.

            In fact, defense enterprises should not be a priori profitable ... When tanks were riveting in Stalingrad, no one thought about profit!
            1. Gvas1174
              Gvas1174 April 23 2016 20: 47
              0
              Here, after all, it is too expensive to work at a loss, working capital in the defense industry and production of weapons for the needs of the country is rather considerable, on the scale of our state ... with a very small population, and huge distances.
              at the moment there are several nat projects pumping considerable funds from the budget, and with far from 100% payback. I don’t think that all this is so serious, it’s a purely tendency and rather sluggish
            2. Vadim_2
              Vadim_2 April 23 2016 22: 31
              -3
              So, and nobody thought of people. There was a war. Do you want to live in Stalingrad on the 42nd?
          2. kush62
            kush62 April 23 2016 18: 06
            +5
            user

            Kazakhstan has only two ways in this:
            The first to lie under someone (and not necessarily under Russia).
            The second is to enter into cooperation with a number of countries (and again not necessarily under Russia).

            The second is just the most faithful and it is with Russia.
            Do not lie under. and get close.
          3. kolexxx
            kolexxx April 24 2016 16: 06
            +1
            On the initiative of the President of Kazakhstan, the Council of Heads of Turkic-speaking States was formed, the Parliamentary Assembly of Turkic states started operating in Baku, and the Turkic Academy is operating in Astana. This is the foundation which, thanks in large part to the initiatives of Nursultan Nazarbayev, is being laid in the name of the future united home of the Turkic peoples.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat April 24 2016 18: 01
              0
              All right, in the cultural plan it is necessary to unite the Türks

              As for the economy - here, as everyone knows, Kazakhstan made a choice in favor of Eurasian integration with Russia and Belarus - after the CU all documents on the EAC were signed - that is, freedom for Russian citizens of Kazakhstan and Belarus to send goods and trade. live - to move, open a business, get on tax accounting, etc. etc. as if there were no borders. True, there is one thing - we can only vote for our president, Belarusians for ours and Russians as well. But basically it’s not essential,


              With regard to the military side and security, Kazakhstan is the second most important member of the CSTO after Russia - the second sponsor of the CSTO CSTO, etc. Unified air defense with the Russian Federation, assistance to Kyrgyzstan, cooperation with Iran, etc.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 24 2016 22: 36
                0
                Quote: Talgat
                As for the economy - here Kazakhstan, as everyone knows, made a choice in favor of Eurasian integration with Russia and Belarus - after the CU, all documents on the EAC were signed

                and these organizations have shown their inefficiency.
                Quote: Talgat
                As for the military side and security - Kazakhstan is the second most important member of the CSTO after Russia - the second sponsor of the CSTO CSTO, etc.

                another dead organization, as shown by recent events in Karabakh.
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu April 23 2016 16: 51
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Are they really going to make their legs to China in a "multi-vector" manner?
        By the way .. lol Article "How will the Chinese Silk Road go and who will make money on it".
        Another thing is that the times when Russia could close the entire movement of goods from East Asia to Europe, have long gone. Now Kazakhstan has become a key country in transcontinental logistics. Unlike Russia, Kazakhstan immediately relied on attracting transit flows and is actively developing its own logistics infrastructure.
        So, in 2012, the 293-kilometer railway line connecting Khorgos and the city of Zhetygen was commissioned. Thus, a second railway border crossing was established on the border with China, in addition to the Dostyk-Alashankou transition (阿拉山口). In addition, Kazakhstan has concluded an agreement on the establishment of a joint Kazakh-Chinese logistics center in the Chinese port of Lianyungang (). At the beginning of 2015, the launch of the regular container train Lianyungang - Almaty was officially announced, taking a route in 12 days.
        Kazakhstan is implementing the Nurly Zhol (“Shining Path”) strategy, which is very close in goals and objectives to the Chinese initiative of the Silk Road Economic Belt (SREB). Moreover, the declaration on deepening the strategic partnership signed in September during Nursultan Nazarbayev’s visit to Beijing contains a clause on the linking of Nurly Zhol with the SREB, which can be considered a kind of response of Astana to the signing of the EEU and SASHP by Moscow on May Kazakh leaders (as well as other leaders — partners of Russia in the EAEU) were not invited.
        The logistics infrastructure of Kazakhstan (both rail and road) ultimately mainly goes to Russia, which is practically the only alternative land bridge from Asia to Europe. However, the movement of goods through the western regions of China, and then Kazakhstan leaves aside the entire transport system of the Far East and Siberia, as well as the northeastern provinces of China and Mongolia.
        The new Silk Road, the land trade route connecting the developed economies of the East and the West, already exists. And passes through the western provinces of China, Kazakhstan and the European part of Russia. Not bypassing Russia, but bypassing its eastern regions.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 23 2016 19: 20
          +6
          Igor 39. Ex-Prime Minister Akhmetov for this plant and other matters have been given for 10 years.
          For students abroad. About 30 people, of which 000 are in Russia and 14 in China. According to Bolashak (at the expense of the state), only 000, which is 3% of the total, and only for "technical" disciplines or natural. Sciences. The conditions for Bolashak are rather tough, so whoever has their own fin. opportunities to send independently. The system of higher education and the Academy of Sciences were destroyed, now we are grabbing at everything that is possible. Kaz.-Tur., Kaz.-Brit., Kaz-Nem., Nazarbayev and Gumilyov Universities, a branch of Moscow State University, etc. This is also evident from the fact that the Minister of Education is changed most often. The reason for all this is the lack of finances and the incompetence of the supreme power in this matter. And now we got a generation gap. We have world-famous scientists, but no one supports them; what can we say about scientific schools. There are, for example, world-famous scientists in electronic optics. Last year, we were invited to a conference in the United States in two cities - we didn't go, nobody cares. From Japan to the USA scientific. publications ask for articles from them. They are fond of their pennies, and from abroad they invite for big money - "both laughter and sin."
          kush62. Basarev. The fact is that Russia does not want to particularly cooperate with us through the military-industrial complex. This is where the projects with foreign manufacturers come from. There are many examples and I wrote about this more than once, even here there is an example on the Ka-226. I don’t know, but maybe with the EAEU and all sorts of sanctions, something will finally get off the ground - while you look at us as a buyer. Eurocopters are not profitable to collect, prices for car kits do not allow making the assembly cost-effective. Therefore, units of cars are assembled. And it's not about the frames here, because Mi-405 is being repaired at the 8 plant in Alma-Ata for the entire region, even being repaired from Afghanistan - so we can handle the assembly of turntables. hi
          1. avt
            avt April 23 2016 20: 18
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            There is an example for the Ka-226.

            hi I know the background, but I suppose what to do at the site in Kazakhstan, assembly and some sort of localization of the 226s if there are quite a production capacity in Russia and personnel ... what The game is not worth the candle - well, Kazakhstan vryatli will pull an order equal to the Indian in 200 pieces. They won’t be able to get out with sanction engines through Kazakhstan either, the turkeys also localize the assembly into themselves and you cannot fit into the order with the production site. request So it turns out only the type of political option.
            Quote: Kasym
            Eurocopters are not profitable to collect, prices for car kits do not allow making the assembly cost-effective. Therefore, units of cars are assembled.

            I suppose if they agreed to work with the Kamovites on the Ka-115, wow - there would be a product similar to Messerschmitt, but .... Who counted it? Anyway, aware of such a project?
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 23 2016 20: 37
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            14 in Russia and 000 in China.

            and where is 17 ???
          3. Gvas1174
            Gvas1174 April 23 2016 20: 49
            +2
            yes straight in color, Countryman
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 23 2016 22: 43
              +5
              Good day, Ali! The rest are all over the world. From Japan (my childhood friend even left my daughter to work) to the USA. I have an older daughter in London (music, contemporary). In all areas, we have been given the command to open Nazarbayev intellectual schools (mat., Phys., Chem., Biol.) - let's see what happens. Trilingualism is introduced - there would be two languages ​​to teach children.
              NAS arranged an audit for a couple of years. And on you, all the tobacco is sold - not even cartridges. The thrashing was specific. The author is not entirely right, some calibers are not left at all (let's not talk about that). I set the task, the old minister (he is the ex-prime minister) was recently soldered for 10 years for "all the affairs." Well, now they are building some kind of "Canadian" plant. And the new minister is the former mayor of Alma-Ata and Astana, a strong business executive; but not military. Launched the assembly of South African armored personnel carriers, now this plant is a trifling matter for Tasmagambetov (minister of defense, among the people of TAS). Many people write it down to NAS receivers.
              AWT, welcome! So why are they fighting for these helicopters - at a distance between us. points, it’s like you have in the Far East, look (in the territory from Western Europe 17 mil.) ?! We are in the Ambulance and the Ministry of Emergency Situations, they are going first and foremost - not Mi-8 is lugging around. In late autumn, such an ambulance near Taldy-Kurgan fell due to weather conditions. Therefore, the machine is needed and we have a promising market. But when the European was announced for this, I immediately realized that they would not give us normal conditions. We do not ask for a full cycle; assembly and repair - everything that is possible in our conditions. I know that I personally talked with Mikheyev of the National Academy of Sciences year 2005. One Alma-Ata was ready to fork out for 8 Ka-226 vehicles because of the proximity of the mountains. In fact, I also think that if you take it seriously, you need to participate in the development of the project and then already start the production legally of one of the owner. hi
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 23 2016 23: 03
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                Good day, Ali!

                And good to you.
                Quote: Kasym
                From Japan (my childhood friend even left my daughter to work) to the USA.

                It’s just that it’s hard to believe that there are a lot of them. I thought you would call Turkey. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are similar. And the majority of students are Turkey and the Russian Federation. Turkey is more effective due to much less corruption. 80% of the marriage that just wipes off is returned from Russia .
                And I’m very happy about the plant, this is the right area.
              2. avt
                avt April 23 2016 23: 20
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                Actually, I also think that if you take it seriously, you need to participate in the development of the project

                good WHoo! I about it! The Ka-226 is a machine of today and, moreover, it has been tested in production in Russia; an Indian order implies 200 machines with localization, only 40 will be delivered from Russia. That is, there is a large customer for themselves, but Kazakhstan cannot form such an order, and the sales question will hang and the production site will rise, as it is now with the Eurocopter. So, well, if you want to deal with topics, you need a really promising new model, I cited the Ka-115 as an example, but really Mikheev has something to invest in in the future, but they aren’t Ka-60/62 again, I think with this device it will be difficult to break into the world market - the meadow is densely seeded with analogues.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 23 2016 23: 52
                  +3
                  Ali, they send little to Turkey - at the moment I don’t even have a concrete example. More than the EU, here from Poland and the Czech Republic to England (I must say that we still have Greeks, Poles, Germans, Jews, etc.). Little by little, but there is everywhere. Singapore, I even know who. I posted the figures that the authorities distributed. But the main in terms of the number of students is the Russian Federation and China.
                  ABT, but we need a little one, where is this killer whale. I agree that we need a serious approach in this matter - specific money. But our bureaucrats understand everything in their own way, maybe Tas can figure it out (NAS seems to trust him). hi
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz April 24 2016 13: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Ali, they send little to Turkey - at the moment I don’t even have a concrete example.

                    I found it.


                    More than 45 thousand Kazakhstani students study abroad, Tengrinews.kz reports with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Education and Science of Kazakhstan.

                    "According to the data of the embassies of Kazakhstan abroad and the ministries of education: 26 thousand 600 Kazakhstani citizens study in Russian universities, of which 19 100 are full-time students, 1700 are within the framework of international treaties; in the PRC - 9 670, of which 628 are under various grants ; in the UK - about 4000; in the United States and the Czech Republic - about 1000; in Malaysia - about 1 (according to the Migration Service of Malaysia - 500); in the UAE - 611; in Turkey - 783; in Poland - 300; the rest are in other countries, "the ministry said in response to an official request from the editorial board.
                    Read more: https://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/45-tyisyach-kazahstanskih-studentov-obucha
                    yutsya-rubejom-259529 /
                    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
                    This is the data for 2014

                    But in 2015, already by 1000 thousand people more studied.
                    Below are the total data for 2014-2015.

                    According to data provided by the Higher Education Council of Turkey (YÖK), during the 2014/2015 academic year, about 72 thousand 178 students from 240 countries studied at Turkish universities.

                    According to YÖK, in Turkey students from all over the world prefer to get education, including from neighboring countries such as Iran, Iraq and Greece, as well as from the Caribbean, New Zealand and the African continent.

                    The largest number of foreign students - 10 thousand 638 - came to Turkey from Azerbaijan. In second place on the list was Turkmenistan - 9 thousand 92 students. From Syria, Iran and Afghanistan, 5 thousand 560, 5 thousand 302 and 3 thousand 672 students came to the country, respectively. Further on the list follows Iraq - 3 thousand 33 students.

                    In Turkey, students from Greece (1 thousand 826), Kyrgyzstan (1 thousand 819), Kazakhstan (1 thousand 799), Kosovo (1 thousand 23) and China (1 thousand 88) receive education.

                    The number of Turkmen students struck me. I thought they wouldn’t be allowed anywhere. And here almost 10 thousand are in TURKEY.
                    1. Alibekulu
                      Alibekulu April 24 2016 17: 08
                      +3
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Here the number of Turkmen students struck me.
                      So Oguzy same .. lol
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      I thought they were not allowed anywhere at all.
                      He knew the Turkmen who studied in Kazan, transferred from Kyrgyzstan. Turkmenistan issued a decree that they would not recognize their diplomas, respectively, the Turkmen were massively transferred to Tatarstan ..
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Czech Republic - about 1000; in Malaysia - about 1 (according to the Migration Service of Malaysia - 500); in the UAE - 611; in Turkey - 715; in Poland - 783; the rest in other countries "
                      In the Czech Republic, education in terms of money is quite comparable with Kazakhstan, so it is better to get a European education. In Kostanay, on the basis of one of the schools are recruited to the Czech Republic. There is a familiar Candidate of Phys. / Math. Sciences trained a guy studying in Prague ..
                      In Poland, the Republic of Kazakhstan has a large Polish diaspora and they are allocated quotas in their universities
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      26 thousand 600 Kazakhstan citizens studying in Russian universities

                      In Russia, there is a not very coloring education of the Russian Federation. The fact is that in Kazakhstan in recent years a compulsory threshold score of UNT (equivalent to the USE) has been introduced for higher education. And those boobies who could not even collect the necessary minimum began to enroll en masse in Russian universities .. negative
                      1. marshes
                        marshes April 24 2016 17: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        And those boobies who could not even get a minimum, began to enroll en masse in Russian universities ..

                        For that, sergeant schools are waiting for them, or like them. In principle, they are healthy and the psyche is normal, there is not much with learning laughing
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym April 24 2016 20: 44
                        0
                        Ali, I'm sorry, I just saw your answer.
                        It needs to be clarified The fact is that the government some time ago (2-3g) announced that it would no longer recognize religious education (by the way, many went to Turkey in this direction - here Erdogan tried, calling and asking for NAS) abroad. And also all humanitarian directions are no longer interested in paying (Bolashak). We have a lot of economists and lawyers. But technical and natural sciences welcome.
                        Those figures that I cited were published a couple of months ago. hi
                      3. Yeraz
                        Yeraz April 24 2016 22: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Kasym
                        The fact is that the government some time ago (2-3g) announced that it would no longer recognize religious education (by the way, many went to Turkey in this direction - here Erdogan tried, calling and asking for NAS)

                        If you really went on religious education, then it is better to Turkey than to Egypt or the Saudis. In Turkey, the most tolerant understanding of Islam.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Those figures that I cited were published a couple of months ago.

                        But Turkey is not in these numbers. I don’t think that the volume of thousands of students was reduced to 0.
                  2. Yeraz
                    Yeraz April 24 2016 22: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    And those boobies who could not even get the necessary minimum, began to enroll en masse in Russian universities ..

                    In Azerbaijan there is such a topic, too. But the matter is a bit different. In Azerbaijan it’s more expensive to give a paw than in Russia, so whoever doesn’t have enough money is given a paw in the Russian Federation.
                    And the same situation is with Turkey. Those who could not score points in Turkey enter Azerbaijan))))
  • Knowing
    Knowing April 23 2016 05: 44
    +8
    So everything got confused about not dumped, not blown up, recourse many will start ... recourse somewhere, somehow - God forbid. And God forbid HUNCHED BACK OUT ALREADY from US, tired; THERE are waiting for him, with impatience. He knows already.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 23 2016 06: 37
      0
      And God forbid HUNCHED BACK OUT ALREADY from US, tired;

      Yesterday infa leaked that humpbacked in the intensive care hospital in Moscow ...
      1. semirek
        semirek April 23 2016 07: 36
        +2
        Quote: aszzz888
        And God forbid HUNCHED BACK OUT ALREADY from US, tired;

        Yesterday infa leaked that humpbacked in the intensive care hospital in Moscow ...

        Moor has done his job ...
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 April 23 2016 18: 07
        0
        If so, then you need to give him a little bob. So as not to suffer
  • aba
    aba April 23 2016 05: 57
    +2
    faced with numerous difficulties associated with the narrowness of the domestic market

    All the same, this is probably the main obstacle to the development of its own defense industry.
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 23 2016 06: 08
    +3
    Well, good luck to the neighbors in their endeavors, let the construction site argue, and the plant starts work according to plan!
    1. Gvas1174
      Gvas1174 April 23 2016 06: 23
      +3
      Nah, bro, here’s a hitch))) according to plan, or rather ahead of schedule, only strategy 2030 turned out, we have everything else as always: it opens at the arrival of Elbasy, and closes after a year ... alas
      However, if the "loyal soldier" Elbasy personally supervises, a positive result is quite possible.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 23 2016 06: 31
        +1
        Well, if everything is so complicated ... Then Elbasy is bigger and everywhere)))
    2. avt
      avt April 23 2016 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: cth; fyn
      Well, good luck to the neighbors in their endeavors,

      Yes, no question -God help
      Quote: cth; fyn
      let the construction site argue, and the factory starts work according to plan!
      You look and it turns out .... if the plan will not smoke laughing
      1. Gvas1174
        Gvas1174 April 23 2016 20: 51
        +1
        noooo, we can’t smoke at all lol
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 23 2016 06: 35
    0
    The most demanded types of ammunition for small arms are planned for production in the republics of the former USSR: 5,45x39, 7,62x54, 9x18, 9x19 mm.

    They’ll go like hot cakes! good
    1. Hurray
      Hurray April 23 2016 06: 49
      +1
      What about gunpowder and capsules? Are they produced in Kazakhstan?
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 13
        0
        They will be purchased abroad. We will do bullets and cartridges!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 23 2016 11: 45
          +3
          Quote: Talgat 148
          They will be purchased abroad. We will do bullets and cartridges!

          Our scientists came up with cannabis gunpowder. Ask to share technology. smile
  • semirek
    semirek April 23 2016 07: 44
    +1
    I want to add: cartridge production is a very complex technology, so everything will depend on competent staff.
    But in general, why not? In Kazakhstan, there are many polymetals that practically serve only as raw materials and do not find their continuation in finished products, so the plant and its future products will be in demand.
    1. Paven
      Paven April 23 2016 08: 53
      +11
      I confirm that the technology is complex ... and the staff is special! The fact is that for the most part you can’t do engineers and normal workers among modern Kazakhs. Kazakh people do not go to production, they want a lot right away, and most of the elderly are already at that age that they can’t work at work, and almost everyone is retired, or have a pre-retirement age. Why am I all ... In Akyubinsk, for example, we have a boss with a Kazakh folder (naturally with Ponte), and deputy Slav (he really works). And engineer workers 9 out of 10 are Slavs, bring in the institute ones, the rotation is frantic ... Well, as the union collapsed so the production is almost all steel, it works no more than 10-15% of what it was under the Union. New production facilities are trying to build, but it turns out badly. .. Conclusion complex production of the Kazakhs without Slavs will not work ... This is a fact. 25 years I look at the attempts of the title, and frenzied with them
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 17
        +4
        correctly answer the question of who will work at the new Kazakhstani enterprises, you need so - Kazakhstanis! Why raise the national question ???
      2. alpamys
        alpamys April 23 2016 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: Paven
        I confirm that the technology is complex ... and the staff is special! The fact is that for the most part you can’t do engineers and normal workers among modern Kazakhs. Kazakh people do not go to production, they want a lot right away, and most of the elderly are already at that age that they can’t work at work, and almost everyone is retired, or have a pre-retirement age. Why am I all ... In Akyubinsk, for example, we have a boss with a Kazakh folder (naturally with Ponte), and deputy Slav (he really works). And engineer workers 9 out of 10 are Slavs, bring in the institute ones, the rotation is frantic ... Well, as the union collapsed so the production is almost all steel, it works no more than 10-15% of what it was under the Union. New production facilities are trying to build, but it turns out badly. .. Conclusion complex production of the Kazakhs without Slavs will not work ... This is a fact. 25 years I look at the attempts of the title, and frenzied with them

        familiar smile , in Tselinograd, at the factories of the Kazakhs, the machine tools had few, the Kazakhs somehow did not gravitate and do not gravitate to such professions ... IMHO, nothing sensible will work out for them, there are no specialists.
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 29
          0
          It turns out the same!
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 23 2016 18: 31
          +3
          Quote: alpamys
          familiarly, in Tselinograd, at the factories of the Kazakhs, the machines had few, the Kazakhs somehow did not and did not get to such professions ... IMHO, they would not have anything sensible, there are no specialists.
          Guten Abend nerr "fascist"hiAryan blood leaped laughing Ali "Mein Kampf" on Saturdays you read .. wassat ?!
          You're a little cunning - you know yourself that not only in Tselinograd, in the factories of the Kazakhs, the machines had units - there were, in principle, "a few" of them in Tselinograd .. and at factories, respectively ..
        3. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 23 2016 18: 45
          +4
          You are pashy "Alpamysh", unlike Gerold BELGER.
          Nationality - German, graduated from the Kazakh school, wrote in three languages ​​- Russian, German, Kazakh. He proudly called himself "the son of the Kazakh people" ("men қазақтың сары баласымын"). When he spoke in the Kazakh language, then, by eloquence, he often left the Kazakh speakers behind, as his Kazakh speech was rich and figurative, imbued with the Kazakh spirit. Academician ABDOLOV gave such an assessment of the personality of Ger-aga (as the Kazakhs call him cordially): “Herold is a Kazakh by 150 percent. The famous Chingiz AYTMATOV gave him his book with an autograph: "To the glorious Kazakh Gerold Belger." And the well-known Kipchak researcher Murat Adji left him on his book an equally “talking” autograph - “Kipchak Gerold from Kipchak Murat”. Aksakal of Kazakh literature Әbdіzhәmіl NПRPEYISOV characterized him with the following words: “He is German by birth, as a writer - Russian, and in mentality - Kazakh”. Many people call Ger-aha “the last Kazakh”, investing in this phrase the complexity of being a modern Kazakh people. Indeed, being a German by birth, he is “a real Kazakh,” “a German son of a Kazakh people.” And Ger-aga, being a person with a good sense of humor, was sometimes presented by telephone as a writer “Kerey Belgibay” (that is, Belger, who grew up in an aul of the kind “Kerey”). Answering the question “Why do the Kazakhs honor Herold Belger?”, One can say: “It’s not only what he thought, said and wrote in Kazakh. First of all, Ger-aha did not separate his fate from the fate of the Kazakh people, always wrote honestly, sincerely, worried about the future of Kazakhstan. ”“ I consider myself a public figure, necessary for Kazakhstan. I have been living here for 65 for years and consider myself a patriot citizen. ”
          How Ger-aha was a citizen and a patriot can be judged by his statement: “I had many opportunities to move to Germany. At one time, my friend Leonid Vaydman persuaded me to take this step. Why didn't I do this? Because I have one Fatherland, this is the country of the Kazakhs, I have one theme - this is the fate of the Kazakh people. I can not imagine any environment, except for Kazakh society. I can not get along with anyone except the Kazakhs. I can not live anywhere except Kazakhstan. I feel that I am a necessary person only in K-n. I, as befits a Kazakh, love Kazakh-style meat, Kazakh national cuisine, Kazy-map. If we do not eat Kazakh food, it is as if I did not eat anything. I have not only a way of life, but also my soul hurts in Kazakh, and the songs in my heart are Kazakh. If I leave this world, I will leave too, probably, in Kazakh. When this day comes, let them bury me in the cemetery "Keңsai", there are a lot of my friends, comrades. I even wrote a request-testament so that they would give me the opportunity to lie there in order to protect the Kazakh spirit together. ”
      3. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 23 2016 13: 51
        +2
        ... ordinary Russian chauvinism ... and then still wonder: why does nobody love us ?! hi
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik April 23 2016 14: 20
          +1
          if a person wrote the truth is Russian chauvinism? belay
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 23 2016 14: 38
            +2
            If a person believes that some nation is not capable of ordinary work, then either he is sick, or it is really ordinary fascism ... Somehow, with this approach, the whole state lived until our grandfathers took Berlin ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 23 2016 17: 27
              +4
              Quote: Aposlya
              If a person believes that some nation is not capable of ordinary work, then either he is sick, or it is really ordinary fascism ... Somehow, with this approach, the whole state lived until our grandfathers took Berlin ...

              It seems that way, only nowhere have I seen hardworking gypsies.
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya April 23 2016 17: 52
                +4
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                It seems that way, only nowhere have I seen hardworking gypsies.

                I saw ... Do you remember Budula? laughing

                But seriously, I somehow saw such a gypsy, although I was told that he was gypsies later - he worked as an paver ... Although at first I thought he was some kind of Moldavian ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 23 2016 20: 40
                  +2
                  Well, I don’t know, I have not seen working gypsies. recourse In general, the gypsies, they are not clear where, either from Bessarabia, or from India. laughing
                  1. Aposlya
                    Aposlya April 23 2016 22: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    In general, the gypsies, they are not clear where, either from Bessarabia, or from India.

                    Do they still seem to differ in language?
        2. APASUS
          APASUS April 23 2016 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Aposlya
          ... ordinary Russian chauvinism ... and then still wonder: why does nobody love us ?! hi

          What is Russian chauvinism?
          I know one big uncle who heads the supply of equipment for oil production from China to Kazakhstan.
          The comrade bluntly says that only the Chinese are working in Kazakhstan. At the same time, passing by the construction site, there is always a loud hiss of discontent, and after all, not one will go to the construction site.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya April 23 2016 17: 15
            +4
            I didn’t see a single Chinese at construction sites in Almaty, it’s strange even somehow ...
      4. kuz363
        kuz363 April 23 2016 18: 12
        +5
        Yes, do not belittle the Kazakhs. Previously, in design organizations, mostly Russians worked. And in recent years there have been many Kazakhs, and they are smart and learn quickly. And create competition. So there is a worthy replacement, there is no doubt.
      5. bugaev2005
        bugaev2005 April 23 2016 18: 33
        -1
        Pavel still very softly and tactfully described the situation ... In fact, dealing with qualified personnel in the south of the Republic of Kazakhstan is even more interesting ... But nobody really tries to build anything, they just steal money and that's it ... and not because they don’t want to, but really can not do anything!
  • thinker
    thinker April 23 2016 09: 08
    +1
    The main supplier of communications for the Kazakh army is still the Alma-Ata plant named after S. M. Kirov.

    It seems to me that the author is mistaken. Communication means is the Kirov plant, but in Petropavlovsk. At one time he dreamed of buying "Kazakhstan-101" http://zik.kz/factory/
    1. marshes
      marshes April 23 2016 09: 18
      0
      Quote: thinker

      It seems to me that the author is mistaken. Communication means is the Kirov plant, but in Petropavlovsk. At one time he dreamed of buying "Kazakhstan-101" http://zik.kz/factory/

      That's right, torpedoes are fired at the Almaty plant.
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 April 23 2016 18: 18
        0
        Maybe released earlier? By the way, the famous peroxide "fatties" were produced there. One of which caused the death of the Kursk. True, she was released in 1990, and the boat died in 2000. Perhaps, for 10 years, the torpedo was not surveyed in the Northern Fleet. After all, these were the years of collapse, incl. and the fleet.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 23 2016 20: 33
          +2
          Quote: kuz363
          Maybe released earlier?

          Yes, so far, I don’t know about peroxides, but India is buying oxygen-kerosene. Soon, it will be possible to produce bottom mines.
          And the plant, what to say, is old, according to the idea, it was not bad to transfer it to the industrial zone of Kapshegai, but it is unlikely that the workers will want to move there.
    2. niki233
      niki233 April 23 2016 11: 06
      +1
      good products were made BUT during the time of the union, and now there we’ll say so rude with the staff.
      1. alpamys
        alpamys April 23 2016 11: 21
        0
        Quote: niki233
        good products were made BUT during the time of the union, and now there we’ll say so rude with the staff.

        it is difficult to find a normal turner in Astana, there it is now cool "bought sold".
    3. marshes
      marshes April 24 2016 16: 56
      0
      Quote: thinker
      At one time he dreamed of buying "Kazakhstan-101" http://zik.kz/factory/

      By the way, it is the same type as Argo-004 stero, but it was taken either from Panasonic or Sony with sharpe, by the way you could have purchased Sharp 777 or 888 in those days, and three sevens were on sale in Andijan in the commission.
      Take crosses or Marlboro, everything in Uzbekistan could be found.
      And so Radio Engineering or Vega but that would have been at the beginning of the zeros 00, such as the upper class.
  • Neputin
    Neputin April 23 2016 09: 43
    +5
    In all the former republics of the USSR, it was the Russians that constituted the basis of the scientific and technical potential. It is not for nothing that after graduating from university in the state. distribution was driven to Samarkand and Dushanbe, and wherever, to hell on little kulichi. It was possible to get a job in the region of the Russian Federation, where he graduated from a university, it was possible only for great "pull". After the division of ALL (absolutely) the former republics, to one degree or another, relied on nationalism (there was no other idea of ​​the brain to come up with and took what is simpler). No need to hide your head in the sand and say: "What are you, what are you, we never had this, we treat Russians well!" Everywhere spread rot, if they did not cut openly, then they squeezed out quietly, but surely. The result is known. Now it is very difficult to restore what was expelled and it is not necessary to help them, let them slowly slip back to where they were in the slave system. They will never have normal statehood, because they were forcibly dragged from the slave system to socialism. Now let them go through feudalism (they are already going through), "wild capitalism" and the current further down the list. There is no more faith in these "brotherly peoples".
    1. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 28
      0
      In the USSR, Russians prevailed, and therefore, everywhere and in all industries, Russians prevailed. In Kazakhstan, Kazakhs prevail and will naturally prevail in all sectors! Etozh Bubelgum !!!
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 23 2016 12: 24
        +2
        I have never met a Kazakh in my life as a working turner, high-level toolmakers!
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 April 23 2016 13: 38
          +1
          And surgeons, policemen, lawyers, astronauts, engineers, teachers, military, carpenters, locksmiths, radiologists, oil workers, geologists, boxers, chess players - Kazakhs met ???
        2. Aposlya
          Aposlya April 23 2016 13: 49
          +3
          have you lived all your life in Kazakhstan and plow at the factory?
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik April 23 2016 14: 10
            +1
            I didn’t want to offend anyone! I voiced my observation, I saw a lot of Kazakh policemen, but there were no carpenters! In Russia, there are also tensioners with turners and highly qualified locksmiths
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya April 23 2016 14: 42
              +1
              Well, my uncle worked as a machine operator at VKMZ all his life, his hands and head were very appreciated there, they didn’t let him retire for a very long time until his heart snapped ... Yes, I myself took the 2nd category at school after practice at the factory just like a turner. .. so don’t need Lala! There is nothing complicated there ...
            2. Aposlya
              Aposlya April 23 2016 18: 20
              +3
              By the way, about the fact that a lot of police Kazakhs are true, but for some reason no one is interested in the background of this issue. But it is very simple - to get to serve in the police, a person needs to serve in the army! But it is unfortunate that the Russians in Kazakhstan prefer to move away from the army, and as a result, there are practically no Russians in the army. Accordingly, they cannot go to the police ...
            3. Gvas1174
              Gvas1174 April 23 2016 21: 02
              +1
              You probably didn’t look bad, maybe it was a long time ago, now in any area Kazakhs-specialists are in abundance ... almost
        3. Forget
          Forget April 23 2016 15: 19
          +5
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          I have never met a Kazakh in my life as a working turner, high-level toolmakers!

          nuuuu, uncle bent ..... a lot of turners and locksmiths
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik April 24 2016 09: 00
            +1
            well yes! like world chess champions smile I have a lot of Kazakh friends, they make fun of themselves. The police uniform is the "national dress" of Kazakhs
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 21
    0
    We need a cartridge factory like air! Stocks are rotten, buying oneself more expensive, good ones in foreign countries, expensive, and Russian cheap ones made of steel sleeves, although covered with brass or tompak, reduce the resource of barrels and weapons in general. And will they still sell when we suddenly do not like it or something else ...
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 April 23 2016 18: 23
      +1
      I don’t understand how the sleeve material wears the barrel? With a bullet, it’s understandable, it flies through the barrel at high speed. And the sleeve? She jumped from the store into the chamber and flew out after the shot.
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 23 2016 20: 02
        +2
        From a brass sleeve, a bullet comes out more simply and softly and directly, but with a steel one with cavitation, it’s not quite straightforward because of the stiffness properties of steel, the bullet in such a sleeve is not uniformly compressed. When fired, a brass sleeve softens the effect of gases due to its flexibility. And steel transfers the impact of gases to the bolt group thereby reducing survivability. In addition, due to the hard exit of the bullet from the steel sleeve, accuracy and ballistics are reduced. So, professional sniper cartridges are assembled from brass shells.
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 23 2016 11: 23
    0
    Here everyone says the infection .... billions ... but these reserves are from the time of the USSR! How many years have passed? All the deadlines are over! It’s necessary to include a little thought!
  • sanzhmom
    sanzhmom April 23 2016 11: 30
    +2
    Arlans began to produce, because the Russian armored personnel carriers did not give licensed production. They chose the best in their segment. And cartridges, God himself ordered to release. At least we will provide ourselves with oils, and plus jobs, the accumulation of technology and experience. In general, the military-industrial complex is quietly, but confidently starting to develop. And then, after the USSR, everything was gone
    1. avt
      avt April 23 2016 19: 00
      +2
      Quote: sanzhmom
      Arlans began to produce, because the Russian armored personnel carriers did not give licensed production.

      laughing What such a license did not give!? fool Yes, we ourselves have Boomerang drove across Red Square only last year, and when the supplies to the troops will be - we ourselves do not know. Yours took Mbombe from South Africa, because they are actually the founders of the MRAP. Again, Typhoons only went to the troops for testing. So the choice of the Kazakh leadership is understandable and quite good from the available and mass-produced ones. But to get into Russia with them No. late with assembly production. It was necessary to put a brick of bills under Taburetkin earlier, or which charms to send to Molochny wassat And now we have the very same Typhoons from two manufacturers at the exit, and there’s a trifle in the form of a Tiger with a turret and the Chekists won’t fake Falcatus for the Central Intelligence Center.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 23 2016 20: 38
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Yes, the Boomerang ourselves traveled along Red Square only last year, and we don’t know when the supplies to the troops will be.

        One of these days, in the glide on news, about BMP? Atom found out, they say the UAE and Kazakhstan are interested? or want to become participants with the Russian Federation in the development and production.
        1. avt
          avt April 23 2016 23: 30
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          Quote: marshes
          Atom found out, they say the UAE and Kazakhstan are interested?

          No. The still-born apparatus of the Taburetkin era, when they decided to get in with the Franks, then the FSB wanted to buy a floating Frankish armored car, after the IVECO soldiers got drunk, but in the end, their "Falcatus" is already working in the CSO in Dagestan in particular.
          Quote: marshes
          or want to become participants with the Russian Federation in the development and production.

          I do not think that the RF Armed Forces will be spraying on the topic "Atom" having and showing "Boomerang" as the main wheelbase. Too much money, rather more like a money scam of an external customer. But the same UAE, it seems, they just ordered the Tula "Bakhchu" for the Finnish armored personnel carrier serial. So most likely to invest in "Atom" - money down the drain.
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  • haenx
    haenx April 23 2016 15: 04
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    I am Kazakh. We have no fundamental scientific military-industrial potential. no gunpowder. no science school. Another money laundering and fraud, as about a helicopter factory
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 April 23 2016 15: 28
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    Ammo is a good thing, I would say it is necessary. Production volumes, well, in principle, hunters, they will provide. The army is not. Weak guys.
  • user3970
    user3970 April 23 2016 16: 17
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    Uranium mining in Kazakhstan? As far as the information allows me to judge, uranium mining from mines has been suspended. The fact is that one of the American commercial companies, in order not to spend money on the purchase of the mines themselves, bought energy facilities that supply the latter for the operation of these mines. No electricity, no uranium.
    1. marshes
      marshes April 23 2016 17: 04
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      Quote: user3970
      Uranium mining in Kazakhstan?

      Kazakhstan comes first in uranium mining.
      Quote: user3970
      As far as the information allows me to judge, uranium mining from mines has been suspended.

      more profitable and environmentally friendly with the help of wells, underground leaching.
    2. haenx
      haenx April 23 2016 18: 36
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      Ulba Metallurgical Plant Works!
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 23 2016 20: 10
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    For the Natsiks who say that in the national republics they treat Russians badly:
    Baltic States, Central Asia ... but it’s not these republics that dispersed the union, but Russia, Belarus and Ukraine! The Slavs brewed porridge and you are all to blame for the loss! Complain about yourself. You had a chance to preserve the empire and you pros.a.i !!! Live your life do not meddle with us!
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik April 24 2016 09: 07
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      Yes, we don’t need you! at least learn how to make gunpowder for cartridges laughing
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 24 2016 09: 36
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    Let's fear, learn! We’ll also teach you!
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik April 24 2016 11: 55
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      Tsar Alexander III correctly said "Russia has two allies: the army and the navy"! so name the world chess champion of a Kazakh! laughingUkrainians also teach everyone
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya April 24 2016 20: 19
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        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        so call the world chess champion of kazakh! Ukrainians also teach everyone

        Well, it’s the world champion - there isn’t one yet! wink
        And so: http://astana.vc/news/462
        "Kazakhstan national chess team won medals at the Asian Nations Cup"
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik April 25 2016 16: 57
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          I am so happy for Kazakhstan! bully
      2. Zymran
        Zymran April 24 2016 23: 24
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        Strictly speaking, there is no direct relationship between successes in chess and intelligence
  • marshes
    marshes April 24 2016 14: 16
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    I'll add more.
    Flight simulators, Kazakhstan can turn out to be produced by itself. And it’s an almost civilian organization, a little commercial one, Almatyenergoservice, I didn’t even smile
    For the first time, Kazakhstani helicopter pilots had the opportunity to undergo training and retraining without leaving the country. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, a high-tech Center for the training and retraining of crews of Mi-17 helicopters was created, which meets the highest requirements of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).

    The whole process of creating a simulator for the helicopter crew was carried out at the production base of Almatyenergoservis LLP. A significant part of the simulator parts was developed at the design office using additive technology through stereolithography. For this, a complete technological line of equipment was purchased in Germany.

    “It should be noted that at the request of regulatory documents, a civilian pilot of the Republic of Kazakhstan is obliged to undergo training on a simulator once every six months. And pilots for lack of such a simulator trained mainly in Russia and Kyrgyzstan, ”said test pilot, aircraft commander Marat Kuzutbaev.

    The Almatyenergoservice company produces a large line of simulators for training drivers, tankers, motorized riflemen, operators of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missile systems.

    Full version https://www.zakon.kz/4788753-v-kazakhstane-pojavilsja-unikalnyjj.html
  • kolexxx
    kolexxx April 24 2016 16: 07
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    “We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, we proclaimed our independence in 1991. Your ancestors, leaving their historical homeland, the Turkic Kaganate, took with them the name of the Turkic people. Until now, the Turks call the best horsemen - "Cossack". So we are these Kazakhs ", - N. Nazarbayev stated
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya April 24 2016 20: 19
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      and what is wrong in the text?
  • Zymran
    Zymran April 24 2016 19: 47
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    http://azh.kz/ru/news/view/35924

    I watched the video, several thousand people gathered. All the same, we are still not lost