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Vladimir Putin creates an army of predestination


5 April 2016, the Russian president signed a decree establishing the Federal Service of National Guard forces. The new structure will be engaged in anti-terrorism activities, the fight against organized crime, will take over the functions that were performed by the riot police, SWAT.

The servicemen of the explosives and the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who will be transferred to the National Guard under, will retain their ranks and social guarantees. Re-certification they will not need. The head of the National Guard under will be directly subordinate to the president, which indicates the special status of these troops. A new form of clothing is being envisaged, which will most likely become even more attractive, since representative functions are also entrusted to the national guard. All these changes, as stated in the Kremlin, do not speak about the crisis of Vladimir Putin’s confidence in power structures. And yet, what is behind this presidential decree, why did he appear right now?

Eye on Peter


The concept of "guard" comes from Italy. In the XII century, the unit was called so to protect the state flag. From the most ancient times, rulers, whether leaders, princes, or monarchs, had special guards with them; there were selected units in all armed forces that served as a reserve for military leaders. In European countries, the guard was distinguished by better training, uniforms, weapons, and performed, in addition to combat missions, the functions of guarding the monarch. This is largely characteristic of Russia.

Troops for future missions


In the Russian Empire, the Life Guards appeared under Peter I. Its core was composed of the Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments, whose officers and soldiers were recruited and trained by the king personally and were devoted to him selflessly.

By the end of the 19th century, the guards' officers consisted mainly of hereditary nobles: 96,3 percent in cavalry, 90,5 percent in infantry. For comparison: in the usual infantry, the 39,6 percentage of officers was just nobles. Surprisingly, even marriages were strictly controlled: marrying a merchant's daughter, a banker, a stockbroker, even with a thousand-strong dowry, entailed a deduction from the Guards regiment.

In Soviet times, military units, ships, formations for mass heroism, courage, and high military mastery, shown during the Great Patriotic War, received the title of Guards. Therefore, we can assume that the presidential decree is also a return to the traditions, to the spirit of the parts that have gained military glory. But the main thing, perhaps, is a response to the challenges of the time and the international situation.

From gendarmerie to Dynamo


Interestingly, attempts to create in the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Guards units have been made before. One of the first this was attempted by the Minister of the Interior (1995 – 1998), Army General Anatoly Kulikov, to whom the “MIC” turned for clarification of the situation. “At that time, I already had on my desk a ready-made concept for the further development of internal troops and calculations for the creation of a federal guard,” he recalls. “But then it turned out to be impossible for a number of reasons: political, economic.”

There was an attempt to create its own gendarmerie (as in France), which would take on the fight against street crime. It was supposed to be special motorized police units consisting of conscripts. For what schools of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were transferred to a legal profile. Their graduates could detain offenders for a certain period, conduct an inquiry in a simplified form, draw up records of detention, conduct a preliminary investigation, and then transfer the materials to court. It was expected that by 2005, such a system would work everywhere.

When Kulikov was dismissed from the post in 1998, everyone was postponed, although the concept was approved by the president, the supreme commander at the 29 board of October 1995. But the war began in Chechnya. She violated the usual way of life and service. Confusion and corruption gradually pushed the interests of the state to the background. Kulikov in the presidential administration once even offered to withdraw internal troops, traffic police and traffic police from the Interior Ministry. He replied that he did not want to remain chairman of the Central Council of Dynamo Society.

Ukrainian lesson


After the presidential decree “On the creation of the Federal Service of National Guard troops on the basis of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation”, problems arise that need to be resolved. “I read the decree, but there are many questions left,” says Kulikov. - The first is jurisdiction. The second is the operational submission of riot police and SOBR to the Minister of the Interior. ”



How will the services interact? When, say, there is an Investigative Committee and operational support for the detection of crimes - this is one thing, Kulikov reflects. And how, if suddenly riots happen, will the SOBR and the OMON, which are part of the National Guard, but operatively obey the Minister of the Interior, work? Who and for what exactly is responsible?

In general, the decision, according to Kulikov, is correct and timely. We see what is happening in the world and in the country. Much is overvalued after the coup d'état in Ukraine, which could have been avoided if the riot police’s rights were spelled out more clearly in the relevant laws.

Do our internal troops perform their functions now? Yes. Recently, the president gave them a high praise. Therefore, the creation of the National Guard, apparently, aims to prevent the development of events, taking into account the situational forecast, the information war against Russia, the intensification of all our enemies, opponents, the “fifth column”.

One of the most important tasks is the fight against IS. The methods of this banned organization in Russia are known when, for example, young people are even recruited into gangs from even wealthy families. “The leaders of these extremist structures go to the most vile methods, up to the perversion of the canons of Islam,” says Kulikov. - For example, IG agents in Europe and Russia are allowed to wear crosses, smoke and throw cigarette butts. That is, to behave like others, so as not to be exposed. But at the same time they have to wait for a convenient moment in order to blow up the object indicated by the leaders. ”

We repeat: the decree on the creation of such a power structure is fully justified. We do not know what awaits the country. And the president knows. 10 years ago in Russia, the law “On Countering Terrorism” was passed, in which Kulikov had to take an active part. According to the FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov, today this law not only helped to avoid many terrorist attacks, but also allowed us to become the best in the world in the fight against terrorism. “I’m sure that our political leadership, creating a guard, looks a little further than many of us,” Kulikov stresses. “Perhaps, from a tactical point of view, this is now incomprehensible to many, but from a strategic point of view it is fully justified.”

It turns out that the hopes that the President places on such a structure also respond to the aspirations of the people - to live in harmony, peace and security. It seems that the national leader worked here in his characteristic style - to be ahead of the curve.

The presidential decree requires additions, detailing the legislative framework. Such work has already begun.
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  1. Jarilo
    Jarilo April 17 2016 06: 02
    +8
    The future seems to me not so far. This is the end of this year, the beginning of next. Cardinal change of course: liberals suck.
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun April 17 2016 07: 55
      +19
      The country will have a new 37th year. Do not be scared!

      The theme of 1937 is hyped up and perverted by the liberals. Because the actions of Stalin led to their mass landings and executions. Of course, there were excesses.

      But the fight against the fifth column is necessary.
      1. Gescheiterte
        Gescheiterte April 17 2016 08: 45
        -1
        The forest is cut, the chips fly.
        Then so many chips were chopped that the forest was gone.
        Recent fashion everywhere to see a sleek liberal hand will lead either to a psychiatrist or to the Maidan.
        1. Homo
          Homo April 17 2016 10: 23
          +3
          Quote: Gescheiterte
          Recent fashion everywhere to see a sleek liberal hand will lead either to a psychiatrist or to the Maidan.

          Is that you about yourself? The more liberals scold, the more you want to go out and have a meeting?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 April 17 2016 20: 20
            -1
            Quote: Homo
            The more liberals scold, the more you have a desire to go out

            You only confirm the words with your attack Gescheiterte: Should someone express an opinion that is different from yours, you should immediately write it down as "liberasts" and "bogies"! laughing
            And how did you perceive these, for example, words from the article:
            We do not know what awaits the country. But the president knows.
            ??? As you hopefully understand, this is only possible in one case: The President leads the country according to his plan. And not the fact that people will like this plan. Because, perhaps, a powerful power structure was required for internal operations - so that the opinion of the people can ALWAYS be "harmonized"!
            It’s not a fact that this is the Purpose - and God forbid that NG stand EXCLUSIVELY on guard of the interests of the people. But historical precedents have not yet reassured. hi
            1. Homo
              Homo April 18 2016 00: 40
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              With your attack, you only confirm the words of Gescheiterte: as soon as someone expresses an opinion different from yours, they immediately need to write it down as "liberasts" and "bogies"!

              And how should I relate to a person who calls to go out in response to the scolding of liberals who openly call for the overthrow of the legally elected government, who fly abroad and call there to make their people starve and die!
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 April 18 2016 22: 08
                +1
                Quote: Homo
                how should I relate to the person who calls to go out in response to the scolding of liberals

                Stop, stop .. Something in the comment you quoted I did not notice anything like this. Maybe he used to say something similar? Tell me then, where?
            2. Homo
              Homo April 18 2016 00: 41
              +1
              Quote: avia1991
              The President leads the country according to his plan.

              Why don't you admit the idea that the President is making "his plans" by studying the opinions and aspirations of his people?
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 April 18 2016 21: 54
                +2
                Quote: Homo
                Why don't you admit the idea that the President is making "his plans" by studying the opinions and aspirations of his people?

                I do not admit, unfortunately. Although once I thought so. But FACTS is a stubborn thing. Moreover, the facts are not far-fetched, publicly available. You just need to see them, and not look with blind eyes at the world.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman April 19 2016 16: 33
                  0
                  You understand what the thing is: to draw a conclusion from everything you see, you need to have all the information. Unfortunately, none of this can boast of.
                  And sometimes the obvious is far from being as obvious as it seems.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 April 20 2016 21: 49
                    0
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    to draw a conclusion from everything you see, you need to have all the information.

                    In this case, we all should shut up here and not say ANYTHING at all - since none of us has ALL the information, what conclusions can be said in the commentary ?! wassat Moreover: I will tell you "in secret": the President also DOES NOT HAVE the entire completeness of REAL INFORMATION: he himself cannot find out everything necessary, which means that he uses the information that numerous assistants collect for him! .. smile You did not try to admit that each such assistant is also a person, with emotions, attitudes and personal interests? And how, in your opinion, will the Information be given by such a person: objectively - or "taking into account his own sympathies"?
                    In addition, the President, when making decisions, is based not only on his own views on the problem - but also on the opinion of the "expert community"! Mr. Kudrin was re-appointed as a "bright" representative. And what do you think he will advise the President now? Are you ready to still recklessly urge "trust Putin" as Ivan Pobeda does? Or remember the results - that is, their absence! - the program "Russia 2010" developed by the CSR, born when Mr. Gref was the president of this office, AND WILL START, FINALLY, THINK? hi
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman April 21 2016 08: 26
                      0
                      Quote: avia1991
                      TOTALLY NOTHING - since none of us has ALL information

                      I'm not talking about any absolute values, so do not rush to extremes.
                      I only affirm that sometimes we don’t even see the essence.
                      Example: September 11th. For some, a bloody terrorist attack committed by al-Qaida, and for some, an action aimed at creating a pretext for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (more here), committed by the PMCs of the states.
                      I'm about that.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      he himself cannot find out everything necessary, which means that he uses the information that numerous helpers collect for him!

                      No one can own ALL the info, but to see the point is quite.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      Have you tried to admit that every such assistant is also a person, with emotions, views and personal interests? And how, in your opinion, will the Information be given by such a person: objectively - or "taking into account his own sympathies"?

                      If this is true, then you need to drive such assistants and advisers in the neck.
                      Are we talking more about domestic or foreign policy now?
                      Quote: avia1991
                      Mr. Kudrin was re-appointed as a "bright" representative.

                      Believe me, the president is not sovereign. He is not the state sec. Or the king? He is just a clerk. He has certain powers that are prescribed in the constitution, but his limitations are also written there.
                      I will tell you honestly: I am perplexed as it turns out that foreign policy is carried out with filigree accuracy, and inside there is such a mess. And I do not believe that a person doing really good things — returning the Crimea, etc., is an enemy or an ill-wisher of the Russian Federation. But I am also convinced that there are factors that have an extremely detrimental effect on the adoption of his decisions.
                      It can be people, events or even countries! Now is not 37 years old, everything has become much more complicated. What can be said if 80% of traitors are in United Russia? And you suggest going against almost all power structures? Something like the prosecutor’s side only took our side, led by Bastrykin. If you shout against the tide, then a palace coup can not be avoided.

                      I suggest you, after each specific criticism, make your suggestions, and we will think about whether you are doing the right thing! But again, keep in mind that when the same Kudrin is appointed an advisor, the rule may be: "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer."
                      But lie hand on heart, I admit moments that Putin is not clean on hand, but I do not want to believe in it. Then we have a lid.
            3. sherp2015
              sherp2015 April 18 2016 06: 50
              +1
              Quote: avia1991
              We do not know what the country will face. And the president knows. ??? As you, I hope, you understand, this is possible only in one case: the President is leading the country according to HIS PLAN. And it's not a fact that people will like this plan. Therefore, perhaps, a powerful security structure was required for internal operations - so that the opinion of the people could ALWAYS be "brought into conformity"!
              It’s not a fact that this is the Purpose - and God forbid that NG stand EXCLUSIVELY on guard of the interests of the people. But historical precedents have not yet reassured.


              A decent leader means people can be calm during their reign.
              And there will come such as Chubayts or Livanov - ordinary people will be driven into the asphalt, and seven skins will be removed from it.
              If I'm wrong, correct
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 April 18 2016 22: 00
                +4
                Quote: sherp2015
                If I'm wrong, correct

                To begin with, I would like to understand by what criteria you determine who is a decent leader and who is not.
                And first of all, explain to me, the ignorant, how a "decent, honest, sincerely loyal KGB officer" could rise so high on the political ladder? Do you, in general, know a lot of ORDER people among politicians?
                Do not be offended, these assumptions are from the category "good tsar - bad boyars". But then it is not clear: FUCK NEED SUCH A GOOD KING, who can’t build bad boyars - but better to disperse to hell! - and make honest work ?!
                will come such as Chubayts or Livanov
                and another question: can you tell me who approved the appointment of these Gassspods to their posts?
            4. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 19 2016 16: 30
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              We do not know what awaits the country. But the president knows.

              The head of state is obliged to have a strategic outlook on the development of his state. We have not had this for a long time, I really hope that it is now being reborn.

              Quote: avia1991
              And not the fact that people will like this plan

              Let's be honest: people are a dumb cluster of biomass. Yes, I myself represent part of the people, but it is when the crowd gathers that it does not take much intelligence to direct it in its own way. We saw this during the collapse of the USSR, I saw this a couple of years ago in Kiev (and more than once). So the people I would ask last.
              As for me, the whole people should have just an understanding of the obvious: we live in wartime. Only nuclear weapons do not allow everything to slide into HELL as in the 41st. So it’s worth being prepared for anything.
              P.S. I apologize for breaking into the dialogue.
              P.P.S. I support the idea of ​​creating a national guard. The main thing is that there should be some sense, and not just another structure.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 April 20 2016 22: 06
                0
                Quote: silver_roman
                people are dumbest biomass accumulation

                Quote: silver_roman
                when a crowd gathers, you don’t need a lot of mind to direct
                You, Roman, confuse the concepts of "people" and "crowd". The crowd is really biomass. Its task is either to put pressure on the authorities with the help of provoked riots, or to suppress dissent - with the leading role of the special services. It is worth "knocking out" the curators - the crowd breaks up into small fragments, each of which, as a rule, is much more sane and ready to behave in a disciplined manner.
                PEOPLE is a community of people capable of self-organization, peaceful and mutually beneficial coexistence. It was the people who once created states, authorities in them, codes of laws, etc. It is from the people - not from a test tube! - great scientists, cultural figures, politicians grow up .. if a people loses the ability to give birth to Personalities, it degrades and is absorbed by other nations. And if the people have not lost the ability to think, but every day they "rub in" them in all ways that "everything is not the way you see and hear" - in this case people can finally lose all patience and bring to hell all - the right and the guilty.
                Russian rebellion is the worst thing in history. Precisely because the Russian people are truly endlessly patient .. I suspect that in this connection, in particular, the National Guard is being created - and even led by personally loyal to the President General Zolotov.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman April 21 2016 09: 52
                  0
                  Quote: avia1991
                  You, Roman, confuse the concepts of "people" and "crowd"

                  I agree, in this context, incorrectly expressed. But in fact the crowd consists of part of the people + provocateurs.
                  But in fact, if you don't find fault with words, it was the collapse of the Russian Empire, the USSR that was initiated by the people who took to the streets + a pinch of competent provocateurs, snipers and traitors at the "wheel". A deadly cocktail is obtained for any state.
                  But I nevertheless proceed from the fact that it is NOT possible to give people power over the state, or if you give, then say everything AS IS or as seen by the authorities. Because when the power protects Gorbachev ... there are not even words.
                  On the other hand, if it is not defended, it turns out that the whole procedure for electing state secrets and the whole system of power in the USSR was insignificant. In short, the line is very thin. But clearly it is necessary to give a political and legal assessment to a particular figure and period.
      2. onix757
        onix757 April 17 2016 09: 53
        +9
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The country will have a new 37th year. Do not be scared!

        The question is only in whose interests the 37th, minority or majority
        1. Enot-poloskun
          Enot-poloskun April 17 2016 11: 25
          +7
          37th year - was in the interests of the people.
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 17 2016 15: 28
          +3
          Read:
          CARTRONS DO NOT REGRET! GHOST JANUARY 9 AND OCTOBER 4
          13.04.2016
          Author - Vladimir Sergeyevich Bushin, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, writer, publicist, literary critic, feuilletonist, public figure. Member of the Union of Writers of the USSR.

          http://yuriboldyrev.ru/articles/article0262/#more-9262
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas April 18 2016 09: 22
            -1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Author - Vladimir Sergeyevich Bushin
            In the late 80s - 90s, Bushin wrote well, it was interesting to read his journalism. At that time, Boldyrev was both the chief state inspector (head of the Control Department), and the deputy chairman of the Accounts Chamber ... Then he hardly read Bushin, there was no time, so much and successfully Boldyrev fought corruption, being, one might say, a "threat of oligarchs." He turned to Bushin not in the best period of his work. Now his former Yabloko people are citing him, but before they called him “red-brown”. Although, after the 90s, Boldyrev is more often noted "on the right": both among the spravedlivorossi and under the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with Zyuganov he went hand in hand.
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 17 2016 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The country will have a new 37th year.

        In this case, the year 1934 must "happen"
      4. weksha50
        weksha50 April 17 2016 10: 58
        +8
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The country will have a new 37th year. Do not be scared!


        And here’s a little real example:

        "Top managers of Rusnano became defendants in the embezzlement case

        News

        The case includes a deputy chairman and member of the board of the corporation. Deputy chairman of the board of the corporation Rosnano Yuri Udaltsov and board member of the organization, Yakov Urinson, became defendants in a criminal case of embezzlement, a source close to the situation said.

        Source: https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=izvestia.ru/news/610129&lang=ru&lr=1082
        7

        I will hope that the unsinkable red iceberg in this company will turn out to be ...
        1. Oorfene Deuce
          Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 19: 56
          +6
          Quote: weksha50
          Top managers of RUSNANO became defendants in the case of embezzlement

          Go already clips are shooting a la Vasiliev fellow
          Quote: weksha50
          I will hope that the unsinkable red iceberg in this company will turn out to be ...

          Yes, I beg you ...
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 19 2016 16: 39
            0
            and what was to be said? Yes, he is a thief, but a scoundrel, but in power? Then he completely discredits himself as the president, the entire judicial system, etc.
            The next suction of the president’s figure and its functions is striking.
            And some people just make me laugh: a person is in the center of everything that happens on our planet. This is solid chess, just not with black and white, but with 50 different colors and much larger pieces (variables). And all this "alignment" needs to be balanced so that someone does not hit you on the head with a board. I repeat: to draw conclusions, you need to have information. 100% of the people sitting here own only a tiny piece of and then dubious information, but everyone shouts and draws conclusions. I believe that if the enemy of his Motherland stood at the head of the Russian Federation, then there would be no state. A struggle is going on practically against the very system on which our country is built and the task is to defeat the system, rebuild it for us and not die at the same time.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 April 21 2016 23: 15
              0
              Quote: silver_roman
              if the head of the Russian Federation was an enemy of his homeland, then there would no longer be a state

              Is not a fact. Destroying the state may not be the goal. And if the Goal is world leadership? HIS?! As the President of the country with nuclear weapons, and a strong position in the world arena? In principle, this requires a strong army, a developed defense industry - and wordless citizens who will serve this System .. while everything fits request Think not an option?
              Quote: silver_roman
              There is a struggle almost against the very system on which our country is built
              And on what system is it built ??? And what manifests what you called "wrestling"?
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman April 22 2016 11: 40
                0
                Quote: avia1991
                What system is it built on ??? And what is the manifestation of what you called "struggle"?

                on the colonial! When the constitution was written on the knee under dictation.
                The struggle against the system is an attempt to circumvent the constitution without violating it, and use leverage (powers of the president and KO) for the good of the country.
                I hold this view. I understand your point and do not see anything impossible in it. I just don’t want to believe in such an option. Everyone chooses what kind of lie to believe.
                Quote: avia1991
                And if the Goal is world leadership?

                World leadership cannot be the goal. It may be a step towards a true goal. It’s like taking a high position, for example. The goal is not to take it, but to use it in your own way. But how Putin would use this power is a different issue.
                I think it will be difficult to do anything worse than the current "exceptional".
                Recently, I was shocked by the fact that M. Albright said that they brought benefits to the Balkan countries. belay good damn ....
                From your point of view, I would choose the least evil. And people are too easy to manipulate. That is why he should not be allowed to power, because inertia is huge. A wave went, until they realized that they were going the wrong way, already half the country was gone. But it’s too late to drink the barge. Hopefully understood the metaphor. hi
        2. sherp2015
          sherp2015 April 18 2016 06: 55
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          In the case are the deputy chairman and member of the board of the corporation Deputy chairman of the board of the Rusnano corporation Yuri Udaltsov and member of the board of the organization Yakov Urinson have become defendants in a criminal case, the source is close to the situation.


          How many such cases were initiated and the persons involved were different, even the "closed" Storchak. Or Vasilyeva. Only a simple workaholic who was left without a job because of a brainless government will be sent to jail for a stolen chicken, and all sorts of "redheads" will enjoy the stolen billions
      5. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 19: 34
        +5
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The country will have a new 37th year. Do not be scared!

        I remember the president has a different opinion on this ...
      6. Vadya
        Vadya April 18 2016 02: 38
        +1
        The hard worker has nothing to be afraid of, but it's time to "nail"
      7. silver_roman
        silver_roman April 19 2016 16: 24
        0
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        The theme of 1937 is hyped up and perverted by the liberals. Because the actions of Stalin led to their mass landings and executions. Of course, there were excesses.

        You are absolutely right about the distortion of reality. Stalin acted as it should, another thing is that much is personally attributed to Stalin, although it was sometimes performed even without his knowledge. And so no one remembers. that after all these comrades, who exceeded their authority, were convicted, and the prisoners were amnestied.

        I hope to finally begin to drive evil spirits into the crematorium!
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    3. Jarilo
      Jarilo April 17 2016 12: 39
      +2
      Those who are minus, you somehow justify your position, otherwise I, however, do not know what to think.
    4. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 17 2016 13: 50
      +17
      Quote: Jarilo
      Cardinal change of course: liberals suck.

      You are so naive. What liberals, in what sucks? After all, the guarantor clearly told you that our government is responsible and professional. And the activities of this government are only good for the very rich, the rest is a karachun as the infrastructure, education, agriculture, industry, housing and public utilities and medicine of our country.
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo April 17 2016 14: 03
        0
        This is due to the November elections in America. America will merge monetarists. Kirdyk liberal monetary policy, it is bankrupt everywhere.
    5. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 17 2016 14: 49
      +1
      Vladimir Putin creates an army of predestination
      This quotation is the answer why this structure is so odious after the events in Ukraine ..
      Although they could call the same RossGvardia or Republican Guard soldier.
      But the Kremlin initially counted on the negative with this name and direct text warns the disgruntled that this organization is being created in their soul .. am
      1. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 19: 46
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Although they could call the same RossGvardia or Republican Guard

        Praetorian Guard. As an option...
    6. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 17 2016 15: 00
      +9
      Quote: Jarilo
      liberals suck.
      But how is Putin the main liberal, and his friend Medvedev, also a liberal, and their whole friendly company of liberals?
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo April 17 2016 15: 11
        +2
        But what about the sanctions against their liberal brothers?
      2. uncle
        uncle April 17 2016 16: 18
        +3
        if Putin was the main liberal, then the U.S. Navy bases would be in Crimea, Syria would be torn apart, there would be war in Armenia and Azerbaijan, China would be crushed, the yapes, along with the states, would try on the islands to Sakhalin
        1. Rastas
          Rastas April 17 2016 17: 49
          +7
          You know, it seems to me that if Boris Nikolayevich were to rise from hell now, and looking at today's Putin's Russia, he would be very pleased with his successor. As the Gaidarites were in the government, they are still sitting, the course continues, privatization is not only not revised, but a new round is expected, Berezovsky and Khodor were driven out, but all kinds of Timchenko, Rotenbergs, Sechins appeared, and how are they better than the previous ones? And the number of billionaires has only grown under the "people's" President Putin. Yeltsin's ministers are surrounded by honor and respect, have received awards and are on tsarist pensions, while Chubais works and receives money, which has nowhere to go. Crimea was annexed, but the rest of Ukraine got through safely ... or thanks to the "wise" 15-year policy of the president. In general, Boris Nikolaich would have received a charge of excellent mood and, in the end, he would have visited a museum named after himself.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 April 17 2016 20: 33
          +1
          Quote: uncle
          in the Crimea there would be US Navy bases, Syria would have already been torn

          Don't be so naive, "uncle": Putin is not a suicide, but this is what would have happened if he had allowed the appearance of US bases in Crimea laughing (by the way, "Crimea" is spelled with a capital letter, like any proper name hi ) The fact that he is a liberal, he personally voiced more than once, look carefully at the news - at the same time noticing that there is "between the lines" shining through. But a liberal is no less than any other politician, above all, his own interest, and given that Putin’s own ambitions are closely connected with a strong Russia, it’s ridiculous to believe that, due to liberal views, he will yield to the country's international position. The question is what is made INSIDE THE COUNTRY ..
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 17 2016 20: 53
            +1
            Sergey, hi

            We can fight a little wink

            To do this, you just need to clearly define how you personally wrap yourself in the term "liberal". With regard to Putin, especially.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 April 17 2016 21: 26
              +3
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              clearly defined

              Hi Roman! hi
              I could have wrestled, but not now: I’m leaving, I still need to prepare working questions for the morning.
              Actually, my last objection was related to the desire not to interfere with Putin’s liberal position with his foreign policy activities: a liberal is not a liberal - it doesn’t matter when it comes to upholding foreign policy interests.
              And "Putin the Liberal" means relying on the "invisible hand of the market" and the conviction that it is necessary to give business maximum freedom - and then "magically" the economy WILL BE IMPROVED and regulated. The result is on the face of the face: lobbying of the interests of big capital is everywhere, and the practical absence of real support for M / S / Business, announced so long ago, and regularly confirmed (in words). Believe me, these are not empty words, because I myself belong to MB, and I know firsthand about the essence of "support": no one in the government, or in big business, needs it, because In addition to "unnecessary" spending of money, MB can create serious competition on the ground - which is unprofitable for large businesses, whose management often includes relatives of local and federal officials.
              The above is the result of Putin's "liberality", in particular, his staunch reluctance to notice that his inner circle categorically does not want to work on the development of the economy! Which leads to relevant thoughts: He himself is NOT interested in this.
              All this is spontaneous, "thoughts at once". Perhaps someday we will talk more in detail, then the position can be more clearly defined. Until then, good evening! hi
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 17 2016 23: 35
                +2
                Quote: avia1991
                And "Putin is a liberal" is a reliance on the "invisible hand of the market", and the conviction that it is necessary to give business maximum freedom - and then "magically" the economy WILL BE IMPROVED and regulated

                - from a television conversation with viewers: "we will allocate this money .. but we need it paint"
                - "coloring" denekh is a fashionable topic .. special accounts of GOZ, jalab ..
                - the belief in the "invisible hand of the market" ... somehow fades, no?

                Good luck on hunting work, Sergey hi
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            3. Jarilo
              Jarilo April 17 2016 21: 27
              +1
              A liberal is an official who has relieved himself of any responsibility to society, saying that everything will be regulated by the market and privatized power.
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              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 18 2016 08: 23
                +1
                Quote: Jarilo
                privatized power

                - it's like (I know roughly. It's just interesting that you "wrapped up" this term) wink

                Quote: Jarilo
                And at the same time, Russia has a garbage rating, according to the estimates of American rating agencies, and America has a triple A.
                For decades, gold has not changed in its purchasing power compared to inflation-prone currencies., and in conditions of outrageous printing presses this is probably the best way out

                GYYYYYYY laughing laughing laughing

                Funny here .. such rarities go request
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 April 17 2016 21: 55
            -4
            Quote: avia1991
            a liberal is no less than any other politician, above all, his own interest,

            Putin is a liberal (as he himself says). And what is your opinion of his own interest? Ah, yes - 40 billions that no one can still find, although no, they found 2 lard, but damn it, at some Roldugin. Strange, I thought if the name Putin then Putin, and here Roldugin, although it may be a pseudonym what He’s a scout, Putin, that means ...? Encrypted, for sure! fellow . Damn, again, it’s not a task, these 2 lards went through the offshore for almost 10 years and did not remain in it. No, I don’t understand request Where is the money, Zin?
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 April 18 2016 00: 13
              +1
              Quote: Captain45
              And what is your opinion of his own interest? Ah, yes - 40 billion,

              Do not bring nonsense, sir, giving out as my thoughts a far-fetched gag. Read my comments: if you find at least one appeal to these your 40 billion - I’ll take a word about Brad!
              If you don’t understand what it’s about, ask a question better, without ambition. Do you think that the politician at the level of the President does not have his own interests ?! laughing Or do you think these interests can be associated exclusively with billions? wassat
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 18 2016 02: 53
              -3
              Quote: Captain45
              Where is the money, Zin?

              - Ask your wife .. and, by the way:

              - it’s not always comme il faut about where someone comes from
              - and not everyone is of such interest with understanding

              I dictated those from the street, if it is not clear ..

              Shut your mouth .. and then suddenly succumb .. scarf .. ground
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman April 19 2016 16: 42
            0
            Quote: avia1991
            Putin is not a suicide, but this would happen if he had allowed the appearance of US bases in Crimea

            Suppose Crimea remained in the orbit of Ukraine and accordingly moved into the sphere of the Saxons. Who / what and what would threaten Putin? With the same success, one can say in 2013 that if Ukraine was poured, then Putin was a suicide. Then no one could have thought that everything would turn out like that.
    7. Captain45
      Captain45 April 17 2016 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: Jarilo
      The future seems to me not so far. This is the end of this year, the beginning of the next

      Well, actually, in the concept of creating a national guard, the deadline is determined until the end of the 2018 year, so there is time. And then ... who didn’t hide, it's not my fault lol
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 18 2016 07: 53
        0
        Quote: Captain45
        And then ... whoever didn’t hide, I’m not to blame

        - well, so you still have a lot of time laughing
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 17 2016 06: 07
    +7
    Nowadays, the "lead army" is essential. The little heads raise those who sat in the mud and hummed to themselves. Now they have grown bolder, and their desire is not just to stagger along Bolotnaya, but to change the state system by any means, up to a military coup. And these guys will not let the "hydra" rise above the knees! angry
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 April 17 2016 07: 12
      0
      It is very important... yes
      Quote: aszzz888
      And such guys will not let the "hydra" rise above the knees!
  3. Egor123
    Egor123 April 17 2016 06: 08
    0
    Let's hope that the National Guard is created for good reason.
    1. AUL
      AUL April 17 2016 19: 40
      -2
      Of course, not in vain! Gendarme corps, blue uniforms. Under the tsar-priest they didn’t give such a hand. And now they will guard all Chubais, some kind of cardinal guards.
      1. tolancop
        tolancop April 17 2016 20: 31
        +4
        The gendarme corps of Russia was very small, unfortunately. And their hands did not give them at all not from a great mind, but from lack of cleanliness and misunderstanding of the tasks being solved by the gendarme corps.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 April 17 2016 20: 51
          +4
          Quote: tolancop
          And their hands were not given at all from a great mind

          What then bitterly regretted. But it was too late.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 April 17 2016 22: 03
        +3
        Quote: AUL
        Under the tsar-priest they didn’t give such a hand.

        Then I advise you to read the "Gendarme's Notes" by Colonel of the Gendarme Corps Spiridovich. By the way, you could have debts in the Guards, but you had to pay them off on time, in the Gendarme Corps you were not supposed to have debts AT ALL. Feel the difference between you can and not to have at all.
    2. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: Egor123
      Let's hope that the National Guard is created for good reason.

      The key word here is hope!
  4. alekc73
    alekc73 April 17 2016 07: 01
    +4
    Dear VO moderators. What a mess. Why the flag was changed. I did not leave my homeland.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 17 2016 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: alekc73
      I did not leave my homeland.


      It looks like a cry: "I did not betray my Motherland" ...

      That's what the National Guard Life-giving to people ALREADY does ...

      Sorry for the irony, no offense ... laughing hi
      1. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 20: 03
        -3
        I remembered something ...
        "I sold my Motherland for a car" laughing
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 17 2016 15: 01
      +2
      This you still threw quite good, in England. And that could have come to Liberia.wassat
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 April 17 2016 07: 10
    +3
    If it was created, then someone needs it and we were notified about it. Concrete affairs of the guard will allow to draw conclusions ... recourse
    1. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 20: 05
      +2
      Quote: yuriy55
      If it was created, then someone needs it and we were notified about it.

      This is more perceived as - confronted with the fact.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 April 17 2016 22: 06
        -2
        Quote: Oorfene Deuce
        This is more perceived as - confronted with the fact.

        Well, I'm sorry that you did not consult request
  6. Hurray
    Hurray April 17 2016 07: 13
    +1
    Absolutely correct and timely decision. At least the administrative component of numerous law enforcement agencies will decrease. A slender, unified system will increase speed and coordination of efforts.
    1. trantor
      trantor April 17 2016 15: 01
      +5
      Quote: Hurray
      the administrative component of numerous power structures will decrease.

      laughing This is when it decreased during the reorganization?
    2. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 20: 26
      +5
      Quote: Hurray
      A slender, unified system will increase speed and coordination of efforts.

      My opinion is just the opposite.
      Why did the system become slim? Creation of another power agency to the heap (MO, MVD, Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Emergencies, FSB, FSO, SK ...).
      I'm not even talking about explosives with their shameful renaming. But OMON and SOBR were allocated from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (and even extra-departmental security) for what ..? The Ministry of Internal Affairs completely bled. Do not leave units that provide power support. The miserable remnants of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from operas, precinct and PPSnikov and a couple of services look wretched.
      They say there will be operational submission ... I do not believe it. Everything is beautiful only in words and paper. And before the system was clumsy, but now there should also be interagency coordination.
      My attitude to this is extremely skeptical. And the impression is that the creation of the so-called NG is needed most of all by Putin and his entourage.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 April 18 2016 22: 28
        0
        Quote: Oorfene Deuce
        one gets the impression that the creation of the so-called NG is needed most of all by Putin and his entourage.

        Perhaps without close.
        Rosgvardia commander-in-chief Zolotov is not a "universal soldier", but quite specifically "Putin's man." He is loyal PERSONALLY to the President, those close to him or not are not very interested in him - as well as their interests.
        That is why the main question arises: FOR WHAT ?!
  7. parusnik
    parusnik April 17 2016 07: 16
    -2
    The right thing, the National Guard ... and the necessary ..
  8. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 17 2016 08: 08
    +2
    The evidence base has gone
  9. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx April 17 2016 08: 11
    +2
    And what will happen to the guard units and formations of the Ministry of Defense? How will these two types of guards exist at the same time? One is an honorary title, and the second is simply the name of the department.
    1. Homo
      Homo April 17 2016 10: 29
      +8
      Quote: erix-06
      And what will happen to the guard units and formations of the Ministry of Defense? How will these two types of guards exist at the same time? One is an honorary title, and the second is simply the name of the department.

      But nothing in the Russian language KEY and water and piece of iron? The National Guard and the guard units have nothing in common.
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx April 17 2016 15: 26
        +2
        Essentially, they have nothing in common. I agree. But with the names crap turns out.
      2. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 20: 51
        +4
        Quote: Homo
        The National Guard and the guard units have nothing in common.

        When the police were renamed to the police, did many powerful people listen to popular opinion? This is me for example ...
        There may be nothing in common, but some eccentric wants to, regardless of historical successions, equalize the guard statuses and that ... All will creak his teeth.
        When I worked in the authorities, my service was renamed 4 times in 6 years. Only the door signs changed ... Someone is not only interested but also profitable.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 April 17 2016 11: 05
      +4
      Quote: erix-06
      And what will happen to the guard units and formations of the Ministry of Defense?



      This is a serious question ... He proudly served in the Guards Division ... Although the title of Guards was earned by our grandfathers and fathers, however, everyone was proud of everything - from a soldier to a divisional ...

      It seems to me that there is simply some kind of ill-conceived and flawed in the process of writing this Decree ...
      1. moskowit
        moskowit April 17 2016 15: 21
        +3
        Haste, naturally, took place. Although not surprising. The name of these structures "National Guard" is not very appropriate.
        Here, the name "police" in various variations just suggests itself. You can "Inner Guard", you can "State Guard", and the authorities to restore order and to combat crime return the name "Police" ...
        1. denisey
          denisey April 17 2016 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: moskowit
          Haste, naturally, took place. Although not surprising. The name of these structures "National Guard" is not very appropriate.
          Here, the name "police" in various variations just suggests itself. You can "Inner Guard", you can "State Guard", and the authorities to restore order and to combat crime return the name "Police" ...

          I think IMHO the police in the police, and the guard in the federal police. something like that for me.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 April 17 2016 14: 54
      +1
      Defense Ministry has the right to act only against external threats. The new national guard is essentially a ministry of internal defense. MoD is fighting abroad, the FSB is guarding the border, and the National Guard is inside the country. There are many reasons for her education.
      1. We all remember how they broke Syria, recently they blew up a column of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Dagestan - that is, the option is when dozens of militants suddenly crawl out in a small city of the Russian Federation or rebellion appears in a certain region and this is not fantastic, and in such a case in every city there must be a center of defense and a force that is ready for such situations.
      2. Maidan. Anyone - patriotic, liberal or grandmother with crutches - there is no difference. Any power actions against the government and the state should be punished STRIKELY, otherwise - the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, the collapse of the USSR and, if we allow it, the collapse of the Russian Federation. Those sheep who go to the Maidan, they always go for all the good against all the bad, and as a result of death, ruin and impoverishment with the collapse of the country. And each vegetable thinks that he is not involved in this - well, think of the crowd took part. But the country did not, because it was used as a condom and thrown out when the job was done. And such a vegetable sits and wonders - well, he didn’t speak for it in 1991 or 1985, and the Urki didn’t jump for it, but it turned out like an ewono. belay
      3.MVD is high time to clean. Many large FSB affairs have to be connected like a large network of brothels in Moscow and Moscow Region. What does the local okolotok not know that brothels work on their territory? Come on . PM shook the Ministry of Internal Affairs has matured and VOKhR from them took away correctly. Guard objects and soldiers can. 200 thousand private security is more than centuries. And if you make completely competent units of the National Guard from them, then in which case they can become a force. Plus ripening military retraining riot police and sobr.
      4. Weapon control and chop. Many serious bandits and businessmen have their own small armies in the form of chop and take them under the control of law enforcement agencies with an analysis of who is doing what is useful. Plus, having more than a million private guards in the country after their preparation and feeding, we get a prepared reserve in case of war or unrest, which can be assigned some functions.
      5. Each mayor or governor, far from Moscow, eventually becomes a little king and having the power to make him a suggestion and subordinate to the center is not in vain.
      6. Well, we do not forget the national republics, in some of which the authorities, crime and the underground are actively friends. There, having power subordinate to the federal center will also be useful.
      7. Maintenance of order in the rear in the event of a major war and the availability of a prepared reserve for the Defense Ministry.
      Well, this is only at first glance. I think that when everything settles down ng will receive other functions.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 18 2016 09: 38
        -4
        Quote: g1v2
        Maidan. Any
        Counting on an orange coup in Russia, this is probably why so much dirt is poured in connection with the new structure on Putin and the unborn Guard. Here it is especially noticeable.
  10. samuil60
    samuil60 April 17 2016 08: 27
    -1
    The President is preparing for a real confrontation with the "Maidans", which are planned by the pseudo-opposition in the "outback". Indeed, if in Moscow the police, in general, are coping with their functions, then in remote regions there is little hope for it: too many heads of regions are infected with "liberalism." And the local police obey them - if not directly, then through the "telephone law" and there is little hope for it: it can simply go aside or imitate the activity. In any case, the creation of the National Guard is an absolutely necessary thing.
    1. onix757
      onix757 April 17 2016 08: 36
      +20
      The President is preparing for a real confrontation with the "Maidans", which are planned by the pseudo-opposition in the "outback"

      The liberal president himself creates the preconditions for the "Maidan", since he does not want to change anything in the country, except to re-subordinate the key institutions of power.
      1. Gescheiterte
        Gescheiterte April 17 2016 08: 41
        +2
        Totally agree.
    2. Gescheiterte
      Gescheiterte April 17 2016 08: 40
      +13
      But is he not preparing for a confrontation with his own people?
      And if they go to the Maidan, then who are the Ukrainians?
      They will come out of their own ...
      As stated by V.V. our government is professional and does its job well.
      It may be good for the mind, only for us something is not very ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 17 2016 08: 51
        +5
        "Own narot", "own narot", "own narot" ...

        The vast majority of the military missions of the explosives so far have been in the field of the fight against terrorism and ensuring security in southern Russia.

        Maybe it's time for the apologists of the thesis about "their own people", finally, to explain who you consider "your own people"?
        1. Danash I
          Danash I April 17 2016 20: 22
          -1
          Sir, are you not from Mars? A cosmodrome for aliens on the Nazca plateau is far from here.
      2. Homo
        Homo April 17 2016 10: 31
        +1
        Are you the site wrong?
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 17 2016 11: 13
        0
        Quote: Gescheiterte
        And if they go to the Maidan, then who are the Ukrainians?
        They will come out of their own ...

        Are yours like Navalny, Nemtsov, Makarevich? For some, maybe their own.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas April 17 2016 17: 38
          +3
          Let's do it without manipulation of consciousness. What was Nemtsov’s popularity with Navalny? Zero And you bustle them into every crevice. There are sensible forces in Russia who can replace the liberal course of the current government.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 17 2016 18: 24
            +1
            Quote: Rastas
            Let's do it without manipulation of consciousness

            Let's do it without manipulation of consciousness. Which ones?
            Quote: Rastas
            There are sensible forces in Russia who can replace the liberal course of the current government

            What kind of strength?
            1. Rastas
              Rastas April 17 2016 18: 46
              -1
              Look at the Red Line channel, and you will see there.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 April 17 2016 18: 57
                +3
                Quote: Rastas
                Channel "Red Line"

                Simply put, do you mean communism? You know, I have nothing against the idea of ​​such a society as such, but there is a problem. Humanity that is able to build it so far exists only on the pages of fantastic works, but what exists in the real world is incapable of such a thing.
                1. Rastas
                  Rastas April 17 2016 19: 23
                  0
                  The soil has to be prepared for communism, and this is the work of decades, but we need to start doing it. Otherwise, perish. We are not the West, our people have a different psychology - communal, collectivist. And about utopias. You know, even 150 years ago, free trade unions, an 8-hour working day, equal rights of men and women, and the right to vote for all citizens were also considered unrealizable utopias. I will even say more, during the period of the first capitalist states - the Italian republics that were destroyed, feudalism also seemed eternal.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 April 17 2016 20: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Rastas
                    feudalism too seemed eternal.

                    Capitalism differs from feudalism only in more advanced technologies. The human essence does not change from this.
                    Quote: Rastas
                    The soil must be prepared for communism, and this is the work of decades.

                    Already been. Not decades, but millennia, and this is still very optimistic. Human psychology, as a biological species, is the main obstacle.
                    Quote: Rastas
                    free unions, an 8-hour working day, equal rights of men and women, and the right to vote for all citizens were also considered unrealizable utopias

                    Are you talking about the USSR? Here is not a utopia, but the role of the individual in history. The whole USSR rested on one Stalin. After his death, it is very likely that this was a murder, the collapse began. Gorbachev and his accomplices destroyed the country, but the construction of communism did not fail because of them.
      4. Cat man null
        Cat man null April 17 2016 13: 48
        -1
        Quote: Gescheiterte
        It may be good for the mind, only for us something is not very ...

        - No way, Chanterelle reincarnated? Or does it seem to me ?? fellow
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 17 2016 09: 39
      +17
      Quote: samuil60
      Indeed, if in Moscow the police, in general, are coping with their functions, then in remote regions there is little hope for it: too many heads of regions are infected with "liberalism."
      In business ?!))) Can you name the names? I thought that most of the "liberalism" in the center is infected - Medvedev, Siluanov, Ulyukaev, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Nabibulina, Gref, and so on. Moreover, the oligarchs who keep billions in offshores, which the "Western partners" have already hinted about in a very public way. And it turns out in the outback, sharpening knives wassat
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2016 15: 06
        +7
        Take it higher, Putin once declared that Russia will remain a country with a liberal market economy and that he himself is also a liberal.
      2. Rastas
        Rastas April 17 2016 17: 39
        +1
        Why don't you name the most important liberal? Pu ... n
    4. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad April 17 2016 11: 46
      +11
      I read comments here and offigue - what are you talking about? Have you drunk in the morning on the weekend?

      Does the president create a personal guard against the liberals?
      Is this the same president who solemnly opened the Yeltsin memorial, who asks Kudrin to help with the economic concept and who has Medvedev, Ulyukaev and others in the government?

      in my opinion this is a way to reduce personnel (cost optimization!). In the new structure there will be no room for everyone - there will be both "retirement" and "of their own free will" and "reduction of the staffing table"
    5. Rastas
      Rastas April 17 2016 17: 36
      +3
      Yes. The president took the path of Ukrainian oligarchs. Those have their own nat. guard, but ours is worse? Dogs of the regime to the ruler are always needed.
  11. onix757
    onix757 April 17 2016 08: 32
    +6
    I briefly read it as "Troops of Future Dachas", and then thought why not, taking into account the "modest" prosperity of the devoted Mr. Zolotov. And the name is what speaks.
  12. Lopatov
    Lopatov April 17 2016 08: 46
    0
    And I think that everything is much simpler.
    Compare MO and BB. Starting conditions are the same, but the pace of rearmament is clearly different. Although honestly, BB needs a lot more - they were originally equipped with junk from the MO storage bases.
    Why? Because for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Internal Troops are the default stepsons. The current division will solve this problem.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 17 2016 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      Why? Because for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Internal Troops are the default stepsons. The current division will solve this problem.

      Is it not easier to raise the status of explosives than to arrange renaming, reassignment, a new form, etc.?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 17 2016 09: 46
        +1
        Raise the status of how? Having deduced from subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Which, in fact, happened.
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    3. Nikolay82
      Nikolay82 April 18 2016 16: 42
      0
      somehow I didn’t notice that the explosives had weapons and not only that, the MO was inferior (inferior). It depends on what parts of MO and BB to compare.
  13. apro
    apro April 17 2016 08: 48
    +12
    The question is, why are there few power structures in Russia? Yes, there are so many of them who stumble over each other, but we don’t especially see law and order. To fight the liberals? a structure has been created, but simply do not need tanks accidentally to dismiss them from the masters? Maidan to disperse if only the National Guard can I'm sorry the National Guard, and the police are deprived of authority? Or has the FSB lost its significance?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 17 2016 08: 53
      -6
      Quote: apro
      The question is: are there few power structures in Russia?

      Is this a new structure?
      1. apro
        apro April 17 2016 09: 03
        +8
        Quote: Spade
        Is this a new structure?

        Yes, yes. Under direct presidential administration. Then they would call the presidential guard it was more honest.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 17 2016 09: 15
          +3
          Quote: apro
          Yes yes

          Really? And I heard that the Internal Forces appeared in the USSR even ...
          1. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST April 17 2016 09: 21
            +5
            Even under the monarchy.
          2. apro
            apro April 17 2016 09: 42
            +7
            And I heard out of my ears that the centuries were part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and were subordinate through the Minister of Internal Affairs to the Supreme Council and not to the chairman of the council personally, collegiality in decision-making was respected.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 17 2016 09: 58
              +1
              "Collegiality" ... Congenial! One-man command is evil. Give vague methods of combat control !!!

              According to rumors, some people in this way asked Spain for ... l. And Franco's "dictatorship" lasted almost 40 years.
              1. apro
                apro April 17 2016 10: 13
                +1
                No matter how decisions are made, the main thing is that they be carried out accurately and on time and in full.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 17 2016 20: 10
              0
              The Supreme Soviet in the Soviet period was a decorative structure, which met 4-6 days a year. Plus, 10 days a year, most deputies sat on committees and commissions. Although formally it was he who owned the fullness of all power in the country.
  14. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 17 2016 09: 03
    0
    A new state armed structure is simply not being created.
    Apparently the authorities have some information in connection with the upcoming elections this fall.
    It is noteworthy that guards can open fire to kill without warning and also act outside of Russia (apparently covertly).
    We will follow the development of events ...
    1. onix757
      onix757 April 17 2016 09: 25
      +4
      A new state armed structure is simply not being created.
      Apparently the authorities have some information in connection with the upcoming elections this fall.


      SARATOV, April 15. / TASS /. Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Chairman of United Russia Dmitry Medvedev promised that agricultural policy will remain among party priorities. "I am almost sure that people in the countryside will vote for our party", - he addressed the participants of the forum "Modern Russian Village".
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 17 2016 11: 21
        +6
        Quote: onix757
        the chairman of United Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, promised that agrarian policy would remain among the party's priorities. "I am almost sure that people in the countryside will vote for our party"-


        Hmm ... Something I have confidence in this - no ...

        Logically, the village now in its small majority (in what kind of euphemism) is against all of these balabok parties, which only say how much good they have done for the village ... Meanwhile, the village is surely dying ...
        1. onix757
          onix757 April 17 2016 11: 36
          +1
          Hmm ... Something I have confidence in this - no ...

          Read between the lines where the emphasis on fraud will be placed. There where on deer 3 days on the map.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 April 17 2016 13: 24
            +2
            Quote: onix757
            Read between the lines where the emphasis on fraud will be placed. There where on deer 3 days on the map.


            So there and the people ... Three deer ...
            1. onix757
              onix757 April 17 2016 13: 42
              +2
              Quote: weksha50
              So there and the people ... Three deer ...

              laughing So who will check 3 them there or 5
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 April 17 2016 22: 27
            0
            Quote: onix757
            Am where on deer 3 days on the map.

            Well, here we have 3 days on deer, they fly around the camps on voting day on helicopters. Reindeer munch on the reindeer on that day. Something like that.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 17 2016 09: 43
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      It is noteworthy that guards can open fire to kill without warning and also act outside of Russia (apparently covertly).

      According to the law, the Ministry of Internal Affairs also had this right, there’s nothing new, they just tried not to use it
  15. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth April 17 2016 09: 43
    +7
    "The first and, perhaps, the main thing that underlies this decision is the need to put under special control the circulation of weapons in the country."
    V.V.Putin
    In how! You don’t believe the president?wink
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 17 2016 09: 58
    +10
    In Latin America, the National Guard has long been
    was under the personal guidance of the presidents.
    And she protected them from attempted coups.
    At the same time, it was the chiefs of Nat. Guard
    themselves often arranged state. upheavals and became
    presidents.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 17 2016 12: 20
      +2
      well, it’s gone from the time of Rome - then the guard was called the Praetorian. By the way, in the Russian Empire, in the 18th century, the guard also regularly shoved legitimate sovereigns. hi
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 17 2016 20: 14
      0
      This is more likely characteristic not for all of Latin America, but for its part - Central America.
  17. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 17 2016 10: 08
    +1
    the photo in the article best illustrates why a new power structure is being created
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 17 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Moreover, both pictures. smile And with Zolotov, and with Ivan the Terrible.
      Although the experience of history (many countries) says
      about one thing: after oprichnina always
      There is a period of turmoil and collapse. And social pressure in the boiler
      not hold on to any military force.
      But each leader thought: "This will not happen with me, I am beloved, lucky
      and special. "
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 17 2016 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        after oprichnina there always goes a period of unrest and disintegration. And the social pressure in the boiler cannot be controlled by any military force.

        The time of troubles began precisely because the guardsmen could not prevent the killing of the royal family (an analysis of the remains of Grozny and his relatives found that they had been poisoned), but not at all due to some kind of social pressure.
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 17 2016 10: 16
    +4
    Everyone agrees that Putin simply took away their power units from all the "siloviki" and gave control over them to one hand - the most loyal, in his opinion, citizen. By doing so, he reduced the opportunity for various ministers and influence groups to indulge in the temptation of a forceful change of leader. On the one hand, this is good, we just lacked Maidans, on the other hand, the operational work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other departments will certainly become much more complicated. Plus, the situation with "Putin's 20 thousand soldiers" from Chechnya is still not clear. Formally, they also went to the Russian Guard, but in fact, apparently, they are still subordinate only to Kadyrov personally. It is also unclear how long the special forces are subject to the National Guard. When the situation stabilizes, it will be reasonable to return them to their native land, all the same, they were created for a reason, but because the departments had a need, and they either have to return old units or create new ones.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem April 17 2016 10: 50
      +8
      What is the National Guard for?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 17 2016 20: 17
      0
      Apart from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, units from the National Guard are not transferred from any other power structures. Everything is unchanged in the system of the Ministry of Defense, FSB, FSO, and SVR
  19. Genals
    Genals April 17 2016 10: 36
    -2
    A very important and long overdue decision. The fight against terrorism and organized crime are Russia's paramount tasks. Liberation can also be attributed to couch terrorists and dryuch without sparing forces and means.
  20. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 17 2016 10: 58
    -2
    A good article for organizing the filter is "Russian in spirit or Russian in passport". The comments clearly show who is intimidated by a strong Russia and who regrets that he was not invited to a gathering in Vilnius!
  21. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe April 17 2016 11: 54
    +3
    In short; if the highest and middle officers nat. the guards will start marrying the daughters of the aligarhat and the bankers, it is clear against whom and what the guard is being created. This makes everyone around them unambiguously understand: - "The mustache has already been divided and the attempts of the next derban of property will be suppressed like terrorism." And if the wives remain proletarian, then everything is still possible. Gee-gee, of course, but as they say: - "In every joke there is only a fraction of a joke, and the rest is true." lol .
  22. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 17 2016 12: 06
    +6
    The army always tried not to interfere in the political showdown, because,
    ultimately, it turned out to be extreme. A structure is created here, initially
    sharpened for these very showdowns and fed not from the budget of the Moscow Region, but from another
    source. If only it would be beneficial, not banal plunder. By the way
    the Guard helped the Tsar a lot in 1917. True, it was banally removed from Petrograd
    to the front and at the right time, was not in the right place. Which just proves
    that it’s not a bobbin, but a state of mind.
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  24. Leo7777
    Leo7777 April 17 2016 13: 06
    0
    Abolished the Ministry of Internal Affairs
  25. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 17 2016 13: 34
    +3
    There are many problems in the country, including social ones. The main thing is not to use this structure against ordinary people 'We remember Novocherkassk!
  26. dr. sem
    dr. sem April 17 2016 13: 54
    +2
    Quote: GenAlS
    A very important and long overdue decision. The fight against terrorism and organized crime are Russia's paramount tasks. Liberation can also be attributed to couch terrorists and dryuch without sparing forces and means.

    Oh, and the GDP with the government from the shobla?
  27. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 17 2016 14: 08
    +16
    Or maybe it is better to stop "dissembling" and "calling a spade a spade"? The National Guard is created, first of all, to fight its own people. To fight against a people who will soon run out of patience, with a people who will no longer be able to endure poverty with a 12-hour working day, who are not paid even the earned money everywhere, who are already in their "liver" and arbitrariness of officials, and general corruption, and prices which grow on absolutely everything and everywhere, and the "bottomless" housing and communal services and complete lack of rights before officials and the so-called "employers", etc. The National Guard is needed first of all, and in order to protect those who hold the people from the wrath of the people, when the prepared "unpopular measures" in the field of labor legislation, pension, tax systems, etc., as well as from those employees of law enforcement agencies and the armed forces who can take the side of the people. You sit here and come up with soothing nonsense about the tasks of this very national guard, such as the fight against the "fifth column", "terrorists" and other nonsense. That the brains have completely dried up in a "patriotic frenzy" or they do not exist at all and never existed?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 17 2016 14: 13
      -9
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The National Guard is created, first of all, to fight with its people

      - especially with the "best" part of the people .. lovers of Maidan, yeah ..
      - it is not clear, however, why for these .. infringed something to create there. So far for this and milesenough police, no?

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... with a working day of 12 hours ...

      - at where did you find this, give the coordinates?

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      That the brains have completely dried up in a "patriotic frenzy" or they do not exist at all and never existed?

      - look in the mirror .. it's about you exactly wink
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 17 2016 14: 27
        +8
        You yourself answered your questions:
        1) For the "maydanutyh", the police are really enough, and the guard is needed to fight the mass demonstrations of the people, supported precisely by this very police and certain units of the armed forces that will side with the people.
        2) The 12-hour working day has already "settled down" almost everywhere, where it is explicitly "officially", and where implicitly the type must come early to prepare everything and leave later, unload the cars that arrived late, unload the goods, sit at a meeting, etc. For example, ask at least the "operatives" "investigators" how much they have to work.
        3) about the "mirror" - I look constantly and I advise you.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 17 2016 15: 09
          -5
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          1) For the "maydanutyh", the police are really enough, and the guard is needed to fight the mass demonstrations of the people, supported precisely by this very police and individual units of the armed forces that will take the side of the people

          - I don't see the prerequisites for this "total uprising" yet, to be honest. I don't think screams in Internet forums as such, I'm sorry request
          - with the creation of the National Guard "from under the hands" of local elites, the power component of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is removed, will you agree?
          - Khoroshavin of the same was taken by the Moscow "personnel", why do you think? Yes, because the "locals" went under his command .. and now - they will not .. IMHO this is rather good than bad ..
          - about "separate units of the Armed Forces" - generally nonsense .. my sympathy wink

          Quote: Monster_Fat
          2) The 12-hour working day has already "settled down" almost everywhere, where it is explicitly "official", and where implicitly, the type must come early to prepare everything and leave later, unload the cars that arrived late, unload the goods,

          - It did not happen yesterday and not a year ago. Especially about operas touched laughing , it always has been..
          - about "everywhere" - someone deceived you .. stuff his face on occasion

          Quote: Monster_Fat
          3) about the "mirror" - I look constantly and advise you

          - similarly
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2016 15: 18
        +8
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        the "best" part of the people

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        lovers
        No, they didn't guess, the "best" part of the people quite freely lives in elite closed-type settlements in the suburbs of Moscow and other millionaires, has a membership in United Russia, holds leading positions in government and security agencies, and / or is engaged in business in which - any large state-owned company, also close to the government, their children usually study and live on a permanent basis in the USA, Great Britain, and Western Europe. They are happy with everything, and they are categorically against any Maidan.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 17 2016 15: 39
          -9
          Quote: Greenwood
          These are all satisfied, and they are categorically against any Maidan

          - exactly yes

          Question: what, only "these", and no one else - "against any Maidan"? wink

          PS: don't just talk about "believers in the good king" .. laughing
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 17 2016 16: 46
            +7
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            but what, only "these"
            No, it's just that "these" have the least reason to be unhappy. While the people of these reasons are very, very many, and the further from Moscow, the more.
            PS I don’t campaign for Maidan, but I don’t see a way to peacefully change the current situation in the country. I'm glad if someone shows me a thread.
            1. SokolfromRussia
              SokolfromRussia April 17 2016 17: 55
              +2
              In a good way, we would need to learn to strictly follow the letter of the law. Without looking, without observation through his fingers. And understand that Russia is our country and we live here. And our children and grandchildren. And we have a system of temporary workers who look at the country as a food base, trying to quickly squeeze out all the juice from it and dump it in London. Well, or send your kids there at worst.
              While the children of our officials are studying and living over the hill, the country does not expect anything good.
              And people should start with themselves.
              Sincerely.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 17 2016 19: 12
              -1
              Quote: Greenwood
              I don’t campaign for Maidan

              - Oh really? belay

              Quote: Greenwood
              No, it's just that "these" have the least reason to be unhappy. While the people of these reasons are very, very much, and the further from Moscow, the more

              - Do you know a lot about life in Moscow? And there, not all caviar from gold plate is eaten .. believe me, I know for sure wink
              - to speak "for the people" - this is to the Tolmach .. you will sing

              Quote: Greenwood
              I don’t see a way to peacefully change the current situation in the country. I'm glad if someone shows me a thread

              - the head is not given to a person to wear a hat (s) laughing
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood April 18 2016 09: 45
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Oh really?
                Ага.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Do you know a lot about life in Moscow?
                Now weeping will begin about the difficult fate of the capital's inhabitants.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                And there, not all caviar from gold plate is eaten .. believe me, I know for sure
                Yeah, just something tells me that against the background of life, for example, in our glorious Partizansk town of Primorsky Krai, where mines were closed and there is no work, or any other small provincial town (and I’m silent about the villages), your problems are contrived and ridiculous.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 24 2016 18: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Now weeping will begin about the difficult fate of the capital's inhabitants

                  Quote: Greenwood
                  just something tells me that against the background of life, for example, in our glorious Partizansk town of Primorsky Krai, where mines were closed and there is no work, or any other small provincial town (and I’m silent about the villages), your problems are contrived and ridiculous

                  - cry, the campaign did begin .. but not about the capital's inhabitants, for some reason wink

                  What seems to be hindering - come to Nerezinovaya, work, such as a rampart, a room in the immediate vicinity (this is an hour or a little less on the electric .. it’s to the station, not to the place of work - you can remove it in 7-10 (this without rent and electricity) - and forth, conquer the horizons ..

                  And only crying is heard, basically .. request
            3. Stanislas
              Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 58
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              I don’t campaign for Maidan, but I don’t see a way to peacefully change the current situation in the country
              But before my eyes it is full of examples of how cleverly people all over the world use their Maidan to arrange their lives, right? Take even a fresh example of Groysman in Ukraine, but you never know ...
            4. sherp2015
              sherp2015 April 20 2016 10: 43
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              No, it's just that "these" have the least reason to be unhappy. While the people of these reasons are very, very many, and the further from Moscow, the more.
              PS I don’t campaign for Maidan, but I don’t see a way to peacefully change the current situation in the country. I'm glad if someone shows me a thread.


              Everything is right, but our country seemed tired of the revolution, and there’s not much good after it
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 17 2016 15: 14
      +7
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      That the brains have completely dried up in a "patriotic frenzy" or they do not exist at all and never existed?
      No, we just have a significant part of the population (which can be seen from the comments on this site) continues to believe in the fairy tale about the good tsar and bad boyars. And then, in the next elections, they will vote for Putin, because "there is no one else."
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 02
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        believe in a fairy tale about a good king and bad boyars
        This tale has been called differently for 100 years (with a short break): "About a bad tsar and good boyars." And for the last five years, this is no longer even a fairy tale, but some kind of mega-show.
  28. From Samara
    From Samara April 17 2016 14: 41
    -1
    Why did they take the SOBR from the police?
  29. maxim1987
    maxim1987 April 17 2016 15: 06
    +1
    Provides a new form of clothing,

    it's the most important. Yudashkin poor without a state defense order sits winked
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  31. Pitot
    Pitot April 17 2016 16: 11
    +8
    Is it really not clear that a purely police state is being built in Russia? High salaries, allowances, benefits - these are all power structures - the entire Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Civilians have lower wages. We have in Kamchatka in particular. Now they will give out the land for free, and then, due to the poor economic situation in the country, they will introduce taxes. And sickly taxes. As always - our bureaucrats are greedy, and always eat three asses. People, is it really not visible - medicine is only for those who are with money, education is for those who are with money? How can someone from the village be able to study if the salary is 3000 per month. Yes, and work must be found in the village. They cultivate the class of laborers or, more correctly, slaves. And many already agree to work for food. And the estate of merchants, burghers and warriors have already been nurtured.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem April 17 2016 18: 19
      -3
      creators of the "most necessary" National Guard ... not all, of course.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 17 2016 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: dr. sem
        creators of the "most necessary" National Guard ... not all, of course.

        “Russians! I now appeal to all Russians; the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. West - a rabid chain dog clings to your throat.
        Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let me do the same to you! ”
        (from the last interview with Slobodan Milosevic)
      2. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia April 17 2016 18: 23
        +2
        Milosevic had no guard, if that.
        1. dr. sem
          dr. sem April 17 2016 18: 29
          +2
          Milosevic is an exception. I agree.
          Milosevic and the liquidation of Yugoslavia is a disgrace not only to the West, but also to the SPREADLESS RF. People from the leadership of then-Russia are still at the helm today.
          1. SokolfromRussia
            SokolfromRussia April 17 2016 18: 35
            +2
            By the way, in addition. Milosevic all 1990-e carefully put his people and the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the MO. However, 90% of the security forces turned away from him during the pro-Western coup.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 17 2016 20: 23
            +3
            Yugoslavia was liquidated in the early 90s. Unfortunately, not without Milosevic's indirect involvement. And in the late 90s there was a "small" Yugoslavia as part of Serbia and tiny Montenegro.
  32. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 17 2016 16: 31
    +2
    interesting observation here. It’s been on the site for a long time already ... and if you compare it with the year when I came here .. and with today ... moods and opinions change dramatically. I don’t know .. maybe the contingent has changed. But ... applause. To ... they will understand.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem April 17 2016 18: 02
      0
      "Fat noughts" (well, for someone else) have passed a long time, problems are growing, no one is going to solve them .... So the mood of the members of the forum is changing.
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 09
      0
      Quote: Alexander S.
      But ... applause. To ... they will understand.
      Applauding conspiratorially. To the catchy Latin expression "hurry slowly" you can now add "noise quietly".
  33. SokolfromRussia
    SokolfromRussia April 17 2016 17: 52
    +8
    Article minus.
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs, it turns out, fought badly with terror, but how will the name be changed, will everyone soak everyone in the toilet? The police also renamed. A lot of good?
    Nat. the guards are the usual horde of future guardsmen who will be thrown against the disaffected. Well, as for the clever people here in the comments calling to fight the "liberals", I would like to recall the exclusively liberal composition of the government, the statement of our guarantor of the Constitution about himself as a liberal, the extremely liberal nature of the economy and even such symbolic gestures as the opening of a center in honor of Yeltsin.
    But I can't believe that this "guard" will start a fight with the Cabinet of Ministers)))
  34. Lincoln
    Lincoln April 17 2016 18: 21
    +4
    That's all, the loin will be covered from the discontent of the mob, under the unanimous harboring screws the screws are twisted.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem April 17 2016 18: 58
      -3
      to make the "NATSGVARD project" more convincing, we are waiting for a couple of loud retracts, as in the 90s during the Chechen baths # 1 and # 2 ... Or "twin towers" .... or something else. The electorate must be SCARED.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 20
        0
        Quote: dr. sem
        The electorate must be SCARED
        So who is bullying him, aren't you? Or are you just doing it first and expect the others to follow your example?
  35. dr. sem
    dr. sem April 17 2016 18: 41
    0
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    well, it’s gone from the time of Rome - then the guard was called the Praetorian. By the way, in the Russian Empire, in the 18th century, the guard also regularly shoved legitimate sovereigns. hi

    How can you "regularly push the legitimate" if the "shoved" themselves sat on the throne with the help of the same guard ???
    We can talk about the legitimacy of power in Russia only sooooo conditionally ... And, after 1991 and 1993 in general ...
  36. user3970
    user3970 April 17 2016 19: 51
    +4
    Thank you Phantom AC for support. Once again, I repeat that the gVP, as president, has more power than enough for ANY, I repeat, ANY actions. I wanted to fight in Syria, no problem, I would like to do the same in Donbass, but the flag in arms and seven feet under the keel. Under would tighten the belt. Well, they renamed the police into the police (and so the cops had a reputation lower than the plinth) and all the Ministry of Internal Affairs made a laughing stock. Well, I can’t understand what tasks a new power structure is being created within the country. In Russia, there are two times more police officers than the SGA, and the population, respectively, is half as much. The funny thing is that physically removing the president, if there is a specific order, is not difficult. There are examples: Indira Gandhi (killed by her own bodyguard), President of Israel, Kennedy, BAB ... Produce state. coup? Yes Easy ! and the whole country for this does not need to be reared. Examples? The assassination by Pavel’s guards, the October Revolution, is ridiculous - there were 50-100 people there, displacement of Khrushchev, Gorbachev — three drunks in Belovezhskaya Pushcha — and there is no president and country. Well, they’ll kill or remove the gdp. Yes, and to hell with him. I doubt that the country will rise. And how can all this be prevented by the Rosguards? I do not see the logic!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 17 2016 20: 12
      -3
      You like yourself so much .. it's nice to look laughing

      Quote: user3970
      Once again, I repeat that at the gdp, as president, the security forces have more than enough for ANY, I repeat, ANY actions

      - not for everyone. While the local Ministry of Internal Affairs goes under the local "Elita" - this is the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the local "Elita". What was taken out of the subordination of this "elite" to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (siloviki) is no longer her, but the Center .. the difference needs to be explained, or do you think it over?

      Quote: user3970
      I do not see the logic!

      - I gave you a beacon, think yes
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    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 17 2016 23: 37
      0
      Quote: user3970
      Thanks Phantom AC for support

      - say hello to ACE, by the way ..
      - also - that hiding in an emergency is like hiding your head in the sand .. the priest is all the same outside laughing
  37. gg.na
    gg.na April 17 2016 20: 02
    0
    Again, the boys damn hooked here, goes chopping again! I personally think so what if VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN decided that the National Guard is needed in RUSSIA, then it really is needed! We are not aware of all the things that are happening there at their top! And VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH already repeatedly proved his insight and foresight, and even not in a month or two but in a few years! It seems that somewhere something is being prepared and this is something with a distant eye when the bulk of the people have already calmed down and it seems like everything will be forgotten ..., then this National Guard will be needed! what Well, although who knows, maybe I'm wrong! But I expressed my opinion! recourse here repeat .
    1. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 17 2016 21: 41
      0
      It seems to me, it was a comedy ...
  38. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 17 2016 20: 26
    +3
    Some kind of strange evolution of the site.
  39. Grave With Cross 3
    Grave With Cross 3 April 17 2016 20: 48
    +3
    No, let’s still create units of the field gendarmerie, Janissaries, Athenian hoplites, and finally, to defeat the damned Chubais, we will create a detachment of three hundred Spartans. And then the Karachun oligarchy! Himself is not funny? If there was a desire to eradicate corruption and oligarchy, then two regiments of internal troops would be enough. Only here is the desire, it seems, of that. As they say, I have the opportunity, but I do not have the desire. That's all. Everything is simple and commonplace.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 18 2016 08: 12
      0
      Quote: Grave With Cross 3
      to defeat the damned Chubais, create a squad three hundred Spartans

      - the funniest thing is that even on this site there is already a miracle with a nickname Spartanez300 wink
      - an extremely funny character, sometimes pleases with such letters: "You need a dirty little bitch, bury a scumbag"
      - Asya (Phantom Asya), he is still not in my emergency, by the way laughing

      I'm not talking about .. The Grave, With the Cross .. You are not a relative of the Grave Without the Cross, by chance? Style .. looks like what
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Grave With Cross 3
      Himself is not funny?
      Duc, there are few clowns and those are some kind of weak
      Quote: Grave With Cross 3
      If there was a desire to eradicate corruption and oligarchy, then two regiments of internal troops would be enough
      Now it’s funny! You speak more often.
  40. Megatron
    Megatron April 17 2016 21: 05
    +6
    The Yeltsin-Gaidar-Chubais case lives and thrives under the warm, affectionate wing of our Great Helmsman.
    Why is it customary to scold the liberals in power, and who appointed them, if not the king, then who? Washington regional committee?
    This photo will answer all your questions.

  41. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 17 2016 21: 55
    +5
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    The country will have a new 37th year. Do not be scared!

    The question is only in whose interests the 37th, minority or majority

    Of course, minorities. The one who changes his rhetoric from ultra-liberal to the exact opposite with enviable regularity and does not forget to index his salaries from 21 to 25 million dollars a year. And did you think that the bourgeois state would defend the interests of ordinary workers, working in two shifts to earn money to feed their children, and who would immediately shut up as soon as they stutter about better working conditions and raising the real content of their salaries? You are directly told that NG will defend the interests of the people, and the people will be Prokhorov, Medvedev, Ulyukaev, Miller, Sechin, Yakunin and other citizens. You still do not understand this? Well, go to the store and look at the prices, for example. Count your consumer basket. Compare it with a basket of two, three, four years ago. This will be the most eloquent explanation, directly proving who the people are and who just like that.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 April 17 2016 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      and the people are Prokhorov,

      The day before yesterday, a search was carried out in the Onexim office, and the documents, computers and everything else were seized. Remind me who Onexim belongs to? Or guess yourself?
  42. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 17 2016 23: 04
    +4
    Quote: Captain45
    Quote: Undermining the Foundations
    and the people are Prokhorov,

    The day before yesterday, a search was carried out in the Onexim office, and the documents, computers and everything else were seized. Remind me who Onexim belongs to? Or guess yourself?

    Will this circumstance somehow affect the content of your consumer basket? And, perhaps, it will affect the number of "points" in pension savings, which will be frozen at the first whistle and released in a "crisis" year to support a bank on the direct instructions of our president. The most interesting thing is that such orders are carried out exactly at the whistle of our dear Ministry of Finance and it does not even need to be persuaded through the prosecutor's office, and the Ministry of Finance does not need to complain to the president personally on a direct line that his orders are not being carried out. Don't believe me? Read yesterday's merchant. The President issued an instruction to transfer 150 billion from the frozen funded part of the pension to help a commercial bank, and he did it exactly after his direct line, on the sly, so to speak. They won't tell about it on TV, and a businessman, a hard worker, doesn't read it. But in vain.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 18 2016 10: 39
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      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Does this circumstance somehow affect the content of your consumer basket?
      Do you want to catch the opportunity to replenish your basket here? Maybe it would be better to work where you settled? Although, yes, you read Kommersant, but "workaholic merchants do not read" ...
  43. gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon April 17 2016 23: 55
    +3
    The strange choice of the name "National Guard", as well as the renaming of the police to the police. Either everyone was rinsing the Ukrainian National Guard in the mud with an emphasis on the "Nazis", or suddenly they themselves copied the name of the power structure from the United States. What kind of political forgive God? For the majority of the country's population over 35, the words police and the national guard are rejected. Young women, of course, don't care about the police, the police or the National Guard. Everything is as old as the world. Nobody canceled the old Roman principle: "Divide and conquer".
  44. jonht
    jonht April 18 2016 07: 16
    0
    In my opinion, the Ministry of Internal Affairs system is currently so bureaucratic that it simply cannot be put in order. To withdraw from the Ministry of Internal Affairs units of explosives and special forces and subjugate them to yourself, this will ensure the efficiency of their work. There is a place to read about how the detentions took place in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, when the team from the judge to the performers sometimes got a week. About the fact that the Ministry of Internal Affairs merges the holding of large shares (by their own), I think many people know the same. So to speak, manual control in action.
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  46. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 18 2016 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: Stanislav
    Quote: Undermining the Foundations
    Does this circumstance somehow affect the content of your consumer basket?
    Do you want to catch the opportunity to replenish your basket here? Maybe it would be better to work where you settled? Although, yes, you read Kommersant, but "workaholic merchants do not read" ...

    A businessman writes for whom? For the class of coprador capitalists. Who dominates in our society? Kopradorsky capitalists, sawed the people's good. Do you want to know where the vector of interests of the ruling class is turning or not? Or do you want to not know, but to groan and gasp every time from the fact of the next bend? So you want to know in which society you live or not, in order to influence the vector of development of this society every day, and not just once a year crying on the air yourself-you know-who? Do not want as you want. The collective farm is voluntary.