Rook will replace Makarov

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Over the past decades, Interior Ministry officers armed themselves with Makarov pistols. But now, along with the departure of the term "police" into oblivion, weapons legends. Police are adopting new pistols of designer Yarygin "Grach" and PP-2000 "Vityaz", according to the publication "Expert online».

The Ministry of Internal Affairs claims that rearmament is a logical continuation of last year’s reforms. According to the interlocutor of Expert Online, the police, for the first time since the middle of the last century, have been equipped with local police and guards with pistols and machine guns adapted specifically for the city. He believes that there is only one inconvenience in this rearmament - the need to train people to use this particular, fundamentally new weapon. The ability to shoot from Makarov and Kalashnikov will not help here.

These models of weapons for decades were in service with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. It was convenient: the commanders could be sure that the young policeman, who had been admitted to the ranks of the PPS, would be able to fire a Kalashnikov or a Makarov pistol. According to experts, now the employees and retraining will have to spend weeks and months. Submachine guns "Vityaz" and pistols "Grach" - a completely new powerful weapon.

The rearmament process will be divided into stages, as they say in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. To begin, the rearmament of police special forces began: the first pistols of the new design were received by the fighters of the Moscow special forces. Police Major-General Vyacheslav Khaustov, head of the Special Purpose Center of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for Moscow, promised that the staff of the special-purpose center would use the new, more comfortable Yarygin “Grach” pistol.

Experts say that the Kalashnikov assault rifle and the Makarov pistol are weapons intended for use in military conditions, and not in the city. According to experts, the weapon that served faithfully to the units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for half a century is hopelessly outdated. One of the special forces fighters, with whom we managed to talk to the journalist of Expert Online, acknowledged that the tactical, technical and combat characteristics of the Yarygin pistol are higher.

"Rook" hits more heap, the bullet has a stopping effect - the bullet hit the target does not fly right through, but gets stuck in the body. Also, the bullet has a lower rebound ability, and this is extremely important when used in a city.

Shop Makarov pistol is designed for eight rounds, while the "Rook" - at seventeen, which is also a significant advantage.

Soon the police will change the Kalashnikov army machine for a more modern weapon. According to the plan, PP-2000 Vityaz, a fundamentally new automatic weapon, will go into service with the special forces and road police units. According to experts, the 9-millimeter machine Kalashnikov is more compact, moreover, has less impact. Again, “Vityaz” is intended for close combat, has a greater accuracy of fire, and the capacity of its store is 44 cartridge. Also, the rate of fire "Vityaz" higher than that of the AKS-74 caliber 5,45 mm.

The bullet intended for the new machine also has a number of advantages, for example, increased penetrability. The AKS-74 had a serious problem - bullets with an offset center of gravity often hit the passers-by. It was for this reason that various police units claimed that the Kalashnikov short-barreled automatic weapons were unsuitable for shooting in the city.
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  1. mar.tira
    +13
    15 December 2011 08: 25
    This is what bothers me. They’re doing what they’re doing with the usual weapons. What will they do with the new ones? There are special units to fight banditry. Why should they give out such weapons? Play and flaunt? it’s gangster, all in rings, and with a tattoo !.
    1. Almor
      +8
      15 December 2011 10: 06
      bully ... That's for sure ... while they study it will look like in that proverb: Give morons a glass - and they will break it and cut their hands ... am ... give them a better wooden horse, so they will drive a splinter in the ass ... bully
    2. +2
      15 December 2011 21: 35
      You saw in the lower photo the "airfield" on the head of the "specialist". In my opinion, he is more concerned with appearance
      1. 0
        16 December 2011 04: 13
        by the "airfields" on the heads of the chiefs, one can judge the degree of moronism of the leadership ... depressing impressions ...
      2. gojesi
        0
        30 January 2012 23: 26
        Quote: Vadivak
        You saw in the lower photo the "airfield" on the head of the "specialist". In my opinion, he is more concerned with appearance

        This is one of the SIGNS understandable only to the initiated. As soon as THEY win a victory over any country, they immediately give it such clown, operetta caps, remember how in ?? in Greece, "Black Colonels", Bolivian warriors, also allegedly mowed down the Nazis ...
        So when we remove these from our officers, so to speak, you know, the Russian army has withdrawn from obedience to the Anglo-Saxons ... Note that in the new form the tulle is reduced by only 2 cm, but it is reduced ...
    3. laurbalaur
      +2
      17 December 2011 00: 17
      Everyone in mentovka serve! bully
    4. iulai
      0
      18 December 2011 10: 43
      no, if it takes months to study a pistol or machine gun, these are downs! while serving in the AK army I learned in 30 minutes!
  2. +13
    15 December 2011 08: 33
    Fresh giving, but hard to believe. This news is about three years ago. As for training, there’s nothing special to teach. The same AKSU with a 9mm cartridge, the PP-2000 is as simple as 5 kopecks, the Grach pistol is nothing superintelligent like a pistol.
    1. SeregaKep
      +2
      16 December 2011 16: 06
      even as the author zhzhot
      on the photo there is an unambiguous PP-2000, and for some reason the author calls it PP-2000 "Vityaz" !!!
      Generally, PP-2000 and PP 19-01 "Vityaz" are, to put it mildly, different things
  3. +9
    15 December 2011 08: 41
    Weighs a kilo, locking with a Browning Colt, it’s better to GSh-18
    1. Owl
      0
      18 December 2011 17: 45
      often when the pistol is in the holster, during various actions on the technique and when overcoming obstacles, the magazine falls out and the magazine is lost (the magazine eject button is too large)
      1. KASKAD
        +4
        27 December 2011 17: 35
        Yes shit, this rook the most sucks falls apart in the hands of 1000 shots and the khan is heavy in size and not awkward and the store without rebuilding in 1 row as in normal weapons systems means it will constantly wedge.
        for comparison, Glock’s guaranteed life of 17 gen4 is 150 shots, but there are also instances of firing 000 shots and there is practically no wear. by weight per zoo gram lighter ergonomics allows you to shoot at a vskid and USM Sayfeti action completely eliminates an accidental shot and still retains the ability to safely carry a cartridge in the chamber, and if you remember that there are modifications with automatic fire, it generally does not have a price.
        Therefore, the Moscow OMON and the FSO and the FSB use them and do not know grief
  4. vadimus
    +4
    15 December 2011 08: 48
    Makar thing is reliable, but outdated.
    1. marauder
      +2
      15 December 2011 17: 36
      Just cut the dough. And macaque is good and rook is not bad.

      I especially liked it. will show for a month how to clean the gun and where it has a fuse. Campaign us here for morons hold.
      I shot from both pistols. nothing special.
  5. +3
    15 December 2011 09: 28
    In the photo on the hero of the LCU or something ??? if so, what the hell is a policeman ???
    1. mar.tira
      +4
      15 December 2011 10: 14
      Quote: urzul
      what for is he a policeman

      So I say! Flaunt and show off! On firing, he was dying of laughter like they were shooting from the PMa. Nobody gave them new weapons either (in my locals anyway) only the old, the bullets were flying in different directions. The exception was made to SOBR. But they are now no.
      1. +2
        15 December 2011 22: 04
        Quote: mar.tira
        ! At the shooting, I was dying of laughter as they shoot from PMa.


        Those who love weapons and not vodka can shoot
      2. +1
        17 December 2011 11: 45
        Already there again.
    2. AlexU73
      +1
      15 December 2011 15: 16
      this is the collimator sight of the Russian orbrazts
  6. +2
    15 December 2011 09: 29
    Although they are doing something somewhere, I hope that this is all a quality weapon and that will make practical sense.
  7. +13
    15 December 2011 09: 47
    ПЯ cost - 13 000 r., resource 4000 shots (works after processing by a file - literally)
    the cost of the SR 1M - 45 000 p., a resource of 4000 shots.
    Glock cost 17 - 19 800 p., resource 250 000 shots ...
    1. KASKAD
      +2
      27 December 2011 17: 49
      4000 is fantastic. Practice shows at sports facilities that after 1000 shots 98% of the rooks fall apart, their mountains are not repairable in sports shooting ranges.
  8. +2
    15 December 2011 11: 01
    PM- all the warehouses are clogged up somewhere?
    1. +6
      15 December 2011 11: 11
      Where? Where? .... to the population! For self-defense .... wink I'm not against!


      But, in fact, the police should be professional, not masquerade ....
      Then there will be someone to shoot and be able to. And, as long as there are Nurgaliev Bashi ... nothing will change so it will be-
      Quote: Almor
      Give the morons a glass - and they’ll break up and cut your hands ... am
  9. dred
    -1
    15 December 2011 11: 38
    It's time to change the PMA. For example on gsh18.
  10. +12
    15 December 2011 11: 40
    Again they decided to make money for themselves, a policeman for 25 years of his service uses firearms at most 4-5 times, and 90% of these shots are in the air. After each shot you can’t even imagine how much paper you need to write, and if you shot a man and God forbid he got somewhere, it doesn’t matter if he threw a knife at you or with a crowbar, they will drag the policeman to all kinds of prosecutors and other bodies. It is in America that the police have the right to shoot at all that poses at least some threat to the life and health of citizens and they will thank them for this, and then it will be more expensive to shoot for us, they will put us for a sweet soul and will not understand, but they will not let us fire so. I’ve seen a bunch of times when some intoxicated rush at the police with their fists or grab something that turns up by the arm, and now it has become fashionable to write complaints against the police to the prosecutor’s office, even though I threw myself at them and what’s stand by a pillar, in the United States they will immediately shoot and be sentenced for a couple of years for threatening a police officer, and we have more duties than rights for the police, they have been stripped of all benefits, salaries like Tajiks at construction sites cannot be shot, they cannot be defended. And how do you want them to protect us? When at work you are treated like shit, you are also related to work. Many say, do not like it, do not work, so judging by your logic in the police there will be only generals who live there. Many, for various reasons, get into the police, for some relatives I work there and he follows in their footsteps, someone accidentally got there. I would be better at the place of the government, I would increase their salaries and make a more or less normal work schedule, give privileges and rights, remake laws on the use of special equipment and firearms by police, make repairs in the departments and then normal people would go there, and all kinds of drunks unbalanced by firing. Then it would be possible to replace the PM, but now it is only money laundering, as well as with the replacement of the name police by police. It would seem that there is money laundering, and millions of dollars, huge sums, have been laundered because of these two letters. As long as they do not create normal conditions for the work of the police, there should be no talk of any rearmament, it does not matter for the police officer to carry a holster, PM or anything else, anyway.
    1. +5
      15 December 2011 14: 57
      It is in America that the police have the right to shoot at all that poses at least some sort of threat to the life and health of citizens and for that they will say thanks to them.

      Don’t tell me, there is also a calving of internal investigations, they check how and what happened, why they shot, and if a white cop kills a Negro criminal, and even on the eve of any elections, then generally put out the light and take out the dead man.
    2. +4
      15 December 2011 18: 33
      In many ways I agree with you, there is just not a big addition. For illegal use of weapons or, as they say, for "friendly fire", the punishment should be serious up to life. Otherwise there will be a lot of Evtyukhovs.
    3. Artemka
      +1
      23 December 2011 20: 23
      Yes, I will pity the bureaucracy and destroy us, because in Russia a person without a passport is no longer a person, but a camel.
  11. JIGIT
    +4
    15 December 2011 12: 08
    PM for the police, then !!!! Just to cut the budget attendants more ...


    PS In pursuit of the cut, they can arm the police with revolvers and shotguns ... smile
  12. +1
    15 December 2011 12: 40
    Well, opera, riot police - still understandable! But what the hell they PPP rested ?!
    Let them run with Makar further (who can run of course ...)
    And as for the prices, as PSih2097 wrote, the jackets were naturally turned on to the sawmill to the full bully Everyone understands that PY cannot cost 75% of Glock.
    I wonder how much the production of 1 unit of Izhmash gets up ...
    1. KASKAD
      +2
      27 December 2011 17: 46
      at 5500 rubles there is a rook;
  13. +3
    15 December 2011 13: 12
    divide profit 50 by 50 I want 70-well ok 70 by 70
  14. Farkash
    +1
    15 December 2011 13: 25
    It's good, of course, that this PM cracker is being exchanged for at least something, but why did they start with the police, but what about the army? What is more important for the country? By the way, if you take a photoshop of a photo of a mustachioed policeman with "Vityaz", leaving only his hands, someone will determine - is it a policeman or a bandos? wink
    1. 0
      15 December 2011 15: 36
      The police officer PP-2000.
    2. 0
      17 December 2011 03: 39
      And the army doesn’t need any other! On combat platoon commanders with AK run a gun for a show or shoot themselves. But army specials love GSh-18 more and rook is really more for policemen!
  15. Scracheder
    +1
    15 December 2011 15: 58
    PYa - the pistol is not very, from experience: it is heavy, unreliable - the cartridge is often stuck, in order for it to work normally during the first shooting, it is necessary either to shoot 2 magazines in a row or actually "work with a file", which, however, often does not cancel one another, though there are really good working samples, in addition, the cartridges are normal in n.v. no. At one time, the PM was considered as an alternative to the Vector, but only it turned out - completely different weapons (one in the new century as a replacement for the service PM, and the second is still a special weapon), although outwardly they are somewhat similar
  16. Terminator
    0
    15 December 2011 18: 55
    "..." Rook "hits more closely, the bullet has a stopping effect - the bullet hitting the target does not fly right through, but gets stuck in the body ..."
    ... A bullet designed for a new machine also has a number of advantages, for example, increased penetration ...
    So what is more valuable for gentlemen of police: stopping action or penetration?
    ... bullets with a displaced center of gravity often hit passers-by ...
    - why do police use bullets with a displaced center of gravity ???
    1. +2
      15 December 2011 19: 13
      penetration for the army (because in a war it’s like, the more wounded, the more enemy resources are spent on them), and the cops have a stopping effect. Regarding GS and Vector - they are not for faculty. IMHO
    2. KASKAD
      +1
      27 December 2011 17: 52
      it’s just that in our Honduras even ammunition can’t be made and it turns out with a displaced center of gravity
  17. +2
    15 December 2011 19: 18
    For cops just right:



    USM: double action
    Caliber: 9x18 PM
    Empty weight: 590 g
    Length: 162 mm
    Barrel length: 94 mm
    Store capacity: 12 cartridges
    The MP-448 'Skif' pistol was developed in the late nineties of the twentieth century at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant (IZHMEKH). The base for the MP-448 was the famous Makarov PM pistol, also produced at IZHMEKH, but several significant improvements were made to the design of the MP-448. The MP-448 pistol could become an excellent civilian self-defense weapon for the citizens of Russia, if our legislation allowed citizens to defend themselves with a normal weapon in their hands.

    The main difference between the MP-448 and the PM was the use of a polymer frame instead of a steel one. Thanks to this, the MP-448 is about 150 grams lighter than the Makarov pistol. In addition, the MP-448 uses double-row magazines with a capacity of 12 rounds, similar in design to the PMM magazines, but the magazine latch for the MP-448 is located in a much more convenient way. This latch is in the form of a large rectangular button located at the base of the trigger guard on the left side of the grip and is easily operated with the finger of the firing hand. The MR-448 trigger mechanism is similar in design to the Makarov pistol, self-cocking, with an open trigger. The manual safety lever is located on the left of the shutter, and when turned on, removes the trigger from the cocking, and then locks the sear, trigger and bolt. Incomplete disassembly of the MP-448 is somewhat different from that for the Makarov pistol - instead of a movable trigger guard, a special rotary lever located on the left of the frame, above the trigger guard, plays the role of the shutter lock. The sights are fixed, the rear sight is mounted on the bolt in the dovetail groove. On the frame under the barrel there is a special guide for attaching a laser designator or flashlight.
    1. KASKAD
      +1
      27 December 2011 17: 56
      This is also shit under the PM cartridge, which does not break even a tin can, not to mention bulletproof vests. This caliber is banned in Europe for the civilian market as absolutely ineffective and does not allow hitting the enemy’s manpower i.e. defend itself.
  18. Alexey Prikazchikov
    0
    15 December 2011 20: 54
    It would be better if the sun was filled with new pistols for sergeants, they would begin to give machine gunners and others these barrels.
    1. +2
      17 December 2011 03: 43
      Yes, you swam in the head with a machine gun PP, he’ll hang a couple of tapes and a box!
  19. wow
    +7
    15 December 2011 21: 05
    The mustachioed man gives at least the "nuts" from his fingers!
  20. 0
    16 December 2011 22: 03
    Let the cops first learn to behave normally like people, and then give them normal weapons. And then how "monkeys with grenades" will be ....
    I completely agree with "Alexei Prikazchikov" - everything is new to the troops first!

    By the way, I just read ......

    Scientists created the Terminator November 28, 2011 17:48
    print version

    Terminator can become a real reality. A robot resembling this character first appeared in the press in the fall of 2009. A robot "named" PETMAN is a military android. It was created for testing soldiers' chemical protection suits in dangerous conditions.
    Two years have passed since the last presentation to reporters, and during this time the robot has become even more perfect. Thanks to the latest developments, now its structure is very similar to the structure of the human type.


    And with them, too, will the cops fight ??? Or warriors with PMami ???
  21. indrik
    +1
    19 December 2011 21: 11
    the author is too clever. There are no bullets with a displaced center of gravity, such a bullet is where you get to. The 5.45 cartridge, fired from the "Ksyuha" has a high initial velocity and a tendency to ricochets (the bullet is light)
  22. Kazak_30
    +1
    20 December 2011 13: 15
    No guys, you’re wrong about why the machine gunner needs a gun! It’s even needed, any soldier must have at least two weapons, an automatic machine (sniper machine gun, etc.) and a gun! SergeiSK just did not serve in the army. We do not have normal weapons for close combat. Sometimes in battle it’s easier to get a gun and kill the enemy than to reload the machine, but I generally keep quiet about the machine gun! Gun 1 kg and 5-6 clips = 3 kg (approximately). In all the armies of the world, they pay great attention to personal weapons and the PM is not needed for the army! GSH-18 just right (IMHO it was better not thought up on armor penetration). And tell me why the police are lethal weapons !? Whatever it was for the police to think of using weapons or not for fear of killing, they must be given non-lethal, there are shooting stun guns, rubber bullets, etc. etc. Lethal for special forces and other units. And PPP are they going to kill us? A bully flew at a policeman either with a shocker or with a rubber bullet in his leg and the bandit is alive and the policeman doesn’t warm his head like a corpse! winked
  23. 0
    21 December 2011 23: 03
    Look at this cop in a "sewn" cap. A typical criminal, rings on his hands. And the figure! If you force him to run a cross of five kilometers, then he will die on the first. Probably why, such a rampant crime
  24. zavesa01
    +1
    28 December 2011 18: 32
    Already got an offset center of gravity. WHERE has he shifted and from whom?
    1. guessed
      +2
      3 January 2012 02: 32
      Usually it is shifted by small-caliber supersonic bullets.
      Typically, the center of aerodynamic pressure is slightly behind the center of gravity of the bullet, but on the same axis. Plus rotation and bullet in flight is very stable.
      In caliber 5.45, the CP is in front of the CT, here is the shifted center of gravity. This is not done specifically ..., it doesn’t work differently. Minus weak rotation and any obstacle leads to a change in the flight path of such a bullet. When hit in the body, the bullet begins to unfold relative to an arbitrary axis passing through the CT, which increases tissue damage.
  25. 0
    1 January 2012 19: 55
    Comrades, I won’t take anything in any way. Here I shot from PY. I like it. Ergonomics - amazing, a gun in his hand - like a glove. During recoil, the trunk does not jump up as much as the PM. Well, as a bonus, a more powerful cartridge and a more capacious store. However, many scold him. They say - unreliable. Is it so? I did not notice, to be honest. Who faced problems while firing from the bunker?
  26. LEXA_D6-4
    +2
    13 January 2012 23: 21
    I didn’t fly to PAK FA, I didn’t go to T-90, but from Yarygin, he’s Grach shot a lot. Impressions are debatable, mostly negative.
    Firstly, at the moment in the Armed Forces and in Russia as a whole there is a chihard with ammunition. There are three types: 45 years old German, old Soviet (for using captured weapons) and modern Russian.
    In the first 2 cases, shoot one torment. Misfires go every 5th round. Very scary. You pull the trigger, but there’s no shot. Once again, and again not. What if this happens in battle? There is a way out, take out the striker and trim the spring, but this does not completely eliminate the problem, and I do not want to interfere with the design.
    The gun normally shoots current with fresh Russian cartridges.
    It looks menacing, cool, Hollywood. But in a thin palm (my case) does not "sit". You have to use gloves.
    Low quality parts. In some cases, the feeling that a drunk locksmith was grinding details.
    1. Mobiba
      0
      5 March 2012 21: 12
      Quote: LEXA_D6-4
      Low quality parts. In some cases, the feeling that a drunk locksmith was grinding details.


      Well, yes))) We also call him "tractor". Either glue the plaster on your hands, or gloves. Otherwise, you will wrap your palms about him during quick manipulations with recharging.

      GS is rumored to be even worse.
  27. k2v2137975
    0
    31 January 2012 20: 29
    Hi everyone! And who knows how "Gyurza" behaves? What do you hear about this pistol?
    1. Mobiba
      0
      5 March 2012 21: 10
      Quote: k2v2137975
      Hi everyone! And who knows how "Gyurza" behaves? What do you hear about this pistol?


      Indeed, little is said about this gun. When I asked the specialist who had this pistol in their hands in the service. They somehow do not definitely shrug their shoulders. Apparently also a so-so machine. Nothing good. They from our domestic only respect Stechkin. And if imported, then Glock.
  28. Beashen
    0
    4 February 2012 18: 54
    How to distinguish a cop from a bandit? Almost impossible. Except for stripes. The cops on the ports have one narrow lamp, and the bandits have three wide. However, this is not reliable. Yevsyukov also had one narrow one. I’m not talking about police officers at all. They wrote right here, why do they need a new weapon? You can kill people from outdated Makar.
  29. aironfirst
    0
    6 February 2012 08: 45
    Experts say that a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a Makarov pistol are weapons designed for use in a military environment, and not in a city.

    ??
    in a real battlefield (not police operations) PM is only suitable for shooting ....
  30. dazarovskiy
    0
    8 February 2012 14: 36
    Stupidity is complete. It’s all the same to shoot from either PM or Beretta, if the policeman didn’t even learn how to shoot from the PM, and they are going to retrain for a month, then it still won’t work out from something else.
    I don’t understand why arm the policemen like that. Do we have a war on the streets? The number of riot police is such that they can fight with neighboring states. Armed with armored vehicles, powerful small arms, probably gathered with human rights activist Alekseeva. Weapons must be taken from them, not armed. It would be better instead of policemen to take more dogs to the service, for example, explosives in the subway are a serious threat. But a policeman with a new machine gun at the entrance to the metro does not sniff out explosives. Zero from her zero. Only a machine gun or a new gun can take away
    1. Beashen
      -1
      8 February 2012 20: 11
      Zero from her zero.

      There is good use. Shooting bursts at unarmed people.
    2. +1
      18 February 2012 15: 13
      Do you know how many criminal elements hang around with weapons ?! And to hell! Once, in the early 90s, cops were shot for a sweet soul, but now it has become problematic for them. That's why they are arming. And they’re doing it right. I myself would have gained something worthy ...
  31. +1
    18 February 2012 15: 19
    Quote: "The bullet intended for the new machine gun also has a number of advantages, for example, increased penetration. The AKSu-74 had a serious problem - center of gravity bullets often hit passers-by. It is for this reason that various police units have argued that Kalashnikov's short-barreled automatic weapons are unsuitable for firing in urban environments. "
    Dear author, Vadim Sobin! I figured that you still know the subject you are writing about. Can not be bullets with a displaced center of gravity! - In principle, they cannot be, because such bullets, due to purely physical reasons, will not hit the target even from close ranges! But the 5.45 bullet is really unstable, and, hitting, for example, a leaf or a branch, can begin to tumble. Guess, Mr. Expert, why?
  32. vylvyn
    0
    25 February 2012 15: 05
    I still don't understand why the GS is worse than the PYa? Afraid of plastic performance? Why is the General Staff not being adopted, it is 2 times lighter? Although such an obese uncle from the second photo does not have an index finger in the bracket of the GSh, it is unusual to shoot with the little finger, turning the pistol upside down, although this is a matter of training. If the pistol was chosen by weight within 1 kg, then why did they abandon the generally lethal SPS Serdyukov. It is by far the most powerful in the world. Unclear. If we carry a weight equal to 1 liter of vodka in a cab, then let it be ATP. Yes, I heard from one specialist (a colonel in firearms training, a clip from the PM is inserted into 10 with "closed eyes" from 25 meters almost in burst), the resource of the PM barrel can reach 60 shots! Allegedly, he has such barrels in the armory at the department. He only goes to competitions with them. He takes a TT, puts on the safety catch with a skewed shutter (you will rip it off) and offers to make an aimed shot at the target. Nobody can, but he is light, well done. I convey his opinion - there is nothing better than the PM (he has already fired from the PM). Maybe just got used to it? I like the GSh - the weight is small, which is very convenient when wearing.
    1. Mobiba
      0
      5 March 2012 21: 06
      Quote: vylvyn
      I still do not understand why GSh is worse than PY? Afraid of plastic performance? Why aren't GSH adopted, is it 2 times lighter?


      Personally, he did not shoot from GSh-18. But I trust the people who spoke about him. These are commandos from the GUFSIN training center and some of our leading civilian shooters. They say that he has problems with accuracy. It’s impossible to get where you want. PJs also had similar problems before modernization. Then they corrected the profile of the copier at the underbarrel tide so that the moment of opening began a little later and accuracy appeared.

      GSh circuit by rotation. I don’t know what is the reason. But people cannot get out of it where it is necessary. The pile goes to the left for everyone. I do not know why.
  33. Mobiba
    0
    5 March 2012 20: 59
    He shot quite a lot from the sports analogue of Yarygin's pistol, which is called "Viking". At home for training I have an MMG of this pistol. That is, I know him quite well. ))) Quite a clumsy pistol. When it shoots, it shoots pretty well in principle. But in comparison with imported pistols, such as the CZ-75, it loses a lot both in ergonomics and in reliability. The resource before the first breakdown is somewhere around 2500 shots. Military and special forces are training with us. They will not say anything good about PYa or GSh-18. None of those who have tried it among my friends have said anything good about GSH. Although there is a sports team of the General Staff, it cannot compete with those who shoot Czech pistols. I myself have fired from many different pistols, except for the PYa and the General Staff. I had to shoot from the Slovak Grand Power K-100, Glock-17, Para Ordnance 14-42, S @ WM @ P. Just take my word for it. What ours present as a novelty cannot be compared with impotent pistols. I think that there is no need to be smart and now the best pistol for everyday wear is the Glock-17. Lightweight, reliable, very good in combat accuracy. You need to make a copy or buy them in Austria.

    The Makarov pistol. This is a good gun. It’s more correct to say very good. But outdated. Because his chamber is rather weak compared to 9x19 Par. and only 8 rounds per clip. It is not enough. (((While the servant will be recharged, he and the multiply charged can be taken away.

    From Makarov not make a good gun under 9x19 Par. He has the principle of operation of automation on the release of the free shutter. And such a powerful cartridge works well, only with automation on the Branding locking system, like TT, Colt and Glock.

    For myself, for sports, I chose a Swiss pistol, which is produced in Germany and called the SigSauer P226 X-FIVE Allround
  34. Mobiba
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    5 March 2012 21: 18
    They say that now a new pistol is being prepared for release under the name "Strizh". With an original locking system with a bracket in the shape of a tuning fork. The frame is plastic, like the Glock.

    But the main problem of the domestic arms theme is not the lack of ideas, but outdated equipment and poor management of state-owned arms production. There is a private ORSIS factory in Moscow, so they have invested a billion rubles in the latest equipment and produce perfect quality sniper rifles that are not ashamed to sell for export. Only private business today can operate responsibly. The mess in the state offices reigns. They will produce any pistols clumsily.