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Test drive BAZ-6402, tractor Triacf C-400

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The military department of the university where I studied was preparing the commanders for calculating the C-300 anti-aircraft missile system. We studied the electronics of the command post on the operating simulator simulator, and to demonstrate the real air defense system, we were taken on a tour of the military unit. The present C-300 command post turned out to be very similar to the layout and did not arouse much interest, so the future stock lieutenants soon became bored. Then the officer accompanying the group launched a win-win argument: leading the group to the position where transport vehicles were located — MAZ tractors with trailers on which anti-aircraft missile launchers were located. After a proud demonstration of the sound of the engine, no one could resist the charm of a giant machine, and the flattered officer began to answer the questions of interested students.

- How much does it weigh?
- More than thirty tons.
- Do you eat a lot of fuel?
- One hundred [liters] per hundred [kilometers] (listeners respectfully became silent).
- And what speed does it develop?
- On the road 80 km / h, in the forest - 40.
- What about the trees?
- And this is taking into account the trees.

And now, after 25 years after this answer, which became a catch phrase in our group, I finally had the opportunity to ride a transport car, albeit already a newer C-400 Triumph complex - a tractor of the Bryansk Automobile Plant BAZ-6402.

In the cockpit you immediately realize that this is a military machine. Dull black plastic and army gray painted corps of the radio station are depressing. But the chair is much more comfortable than you expect - adjustable and depreciated. And any driver who stood in a traffic jam next to a smoking KamAZ would envy the air purification system: BAZ is equipped with a FVUA-100A filtering unit that protects the crew under chemical, radioactive or bacteriological contamination and creates a slight overpressure in the cabin. And there is a hatch there. True, not glass and not rectangular, but round.



On the torpedo - gear shift scheme. There are nine of them - five in the lowest range (1 − 5), four in the highest (6 − 9) and reverse. I check that the lever is in neutral, I start the engine. It quickly becomes warm in the cabin, which, with a light frost outside, is not at all superfluous. On the right seat is the instructor - Senior Lieutenant Ivan Zavarzin, platoon commander of the starting battery of the C-400 air defense system: “Do not hold the clutch for a long time”. Following the advice, I quickly let go of the clutch - and the car starts off, thanks to the high-powered diesel engine, almost without pressing the gas pedal.

Approaching the turn, I manage to switch to the third. “Do not forget that the front wheels are a couple of meters behind my back,” says my instructor. “And there's a launcher in the back.” When the cabin is already passing an apex, I begin to turn the steering wheel and carefully fit into the dimensions of the track. “To gas, to gas!” - commanded Ivan: in the turn I slightly weakened the pressure on the accelerator pedal, and the car slowed down. Strange, it seemed to me that the inertia of the 35-ton tractor would be fair. Everything becomes clear when I, having completed the circle and slowed down unnecessarily sharply (the brakes are very sharp), finally drive up to the parking lot and examine the car outside. It turns out that the semi-trailer wheels are lowered. “When driving on sandy terrain for better road performance, tire pressure was reduced,” explains Ivan. “The wheels of the tractor are equipped with an auto-priming system, and tire pressure can be quickly adjusted.”

The crew of the battle machine

Test drive BAZ-6402, tractor Triacf C-400


The crew of the transport vehicle consists of two people: the driver-mechanic and the driver-operator of the launcher. The driver’s work ends when the car reaches the location, and then the main role goes to the operator. “His workplace is outside where the control panels for the hydraulic jacks of the launcher and the hydraulic cylinders of the launcher are located,” explains Senior Lieutenant Kirill Garzeyev, acting commander of the launch battery. To power these systems in the field, a generator driven by a diesel engine tractor is used. But the operation of the launcher after deployment is provided by a different power system - mounted on the GTA trailer, a gas turbine unit. After bringing the installation to the working (vertical) position, it is required to connect to the command post of the air defense missile system (by cable or by radio channel). The total deployment time of the launcher "from the turn" is a few minutes (this time is increased if you also need to tie the system to the terrain).
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 March 2016 04: 17
    +16
    The dull black plastic and the army-colored body of the radio station evoke anguish.

    And what, is it necessary for it to be in white skin, and there should be a 1m * 1m monitor screen with naked women and music?
    Well, I got into the wrong cabin, author. By the way, he is anonymous, this author.
    1. 52
      52 26 March 2016 05: 41
      +1
      But what about blackjack and ...? One word, BAZ, can do nothing ...
    2. rpek32
      rpek32 26 March 2016 07: 19
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      By the way, he is anonymous, this author.


      Dmitry Mamontov

      if so it matters to you
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 26 March 2016 12: 40
      -2
      Still, I’ll make a fly in the ointment: it’s not clear what caused such a gigantic expense, even for an all-wheel drive tractor, I understand that Maz-Hurricane consumes so much, but there is an 8x8 formula and engine from the T-34 tank. Single plate clutch.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 26 March 2016 14: 56
        +4
        Quote: Megatron
        I’ll make a fly in the ointment: it’s not clear what caused such a gigantic expense, even for an all-wheel drive tractor, I understand that Maz-Hurricane consumes so much,

        Gigantic fuel consumption?
        You hurried it ... wink
        Zil-131 and KamAZ-4310, 43114, etc. consume on average (write off on a ticket) about 50 liters. They are more than 2 times smaller and move at this rate, mainly on paved roads.
        And on the basis of a 17 liter turbodiesel 450-650 l / s, yes you need to carry such wheels on the ground with such a mass.
        As for the mentioned MAZ-543, it consumes not less, but more - 140 liters.
        A T-72 - 450 liters ...
        Do not estimate the consumption of special equipment by automotive standards.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 26 March 2016 15: 21
          +1
          Zil gasoline if only. I'm talking about 50-60, well, seventy liters, but not 100!
          My MAZ 64229 eats about 50 with 30 tons in a trailer and with a gross train weight of 50 tons.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 26 March 2016 18: 33
            +1
            Quote: Megatron
            I have MAZ 64229 eating about 50 with 30 tons in a trailer

            If this "highway" MAZ is hypothetically loaded, for example, with beets, driven into a dirty collective farm field, then most likely it will not go at all laughing , and even if it goes, then its consumption will be many, many more than 50 liters. request
            You can’t push in the non-editable - you will achieve low fuel consumption on the machine, not even increased, but high passability, with its complex transmission, powerful chassis, etc.
            1. Megatron
              Megatron 26 March 2016 18: 39
              0
              Let me look for the data of such MANs now, I think there for a fifty dollars they’ll lie with Deutz engine.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 27 March 2016 01: 05
                0
                Quote: Megatron
                Let me look for the data of such MANs now, I think there for a fifty dollars they’ll lie with Deutz engine.

                - It would be very interesting, we are waiting
            2. Megatron
              Megatron 27 March 2016 06: 01
              0
              Google long-range forums, there the beets are transported along the collective farm fields, not even triaxial, but biaxial MAZs.

              aksakal
              I haven’t found the data yet, but I’ll look for it today, I think I’ll find it.
  2. Signaller
    Signaller 26 March 2016 05: 42
    +1
    A good car. It eats a lot of truth, a big one, like hunting is not very good. And so GOOD.
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 27 March 2016 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: Signaller
      big-on the hunt as it is not very

      This is a very specific "hunter" - mainly for flying at high and low altitudes, practically "invisible" stuff wink
  3. Leprekon
    Leprekon 26 March 2016 06: 04
    +2
    Yes, the appearance and ability to act as a hammer, the "control unit", like ten ... and fifty years ago.
  4. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 26 March 2016 06: 10
    +6
    Quote: aszzz888
    The dull black plastic and the army-colored body of the radio station evoke anguish.

    And what, is it necessary for it to be in white skin, and there should be a 1m * 1m monitor screen with naked women and music?
    Well, I got into the wrong cabin, author. By the way, he is anonymous, this author.
    found someone to trust testing)))))) a very major type ....... on a little of him in the army, so that I could feel the atmosphere)))))
  5. 31rus2
    31rus2 26 March 2016 07: 51
    0
    Dear, I did not understand something, there were so many articles about the "funeral" of the Bryansk plant, but it turns out that everything is normally produced by tractors, who can you educate in the subject?
  6. 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 26 March 2016 08: 18
    +4
    Quote: 31rus2
    tractors are released, who enlighten the topic

    Release. And for "Krasukh" the chassis is released. And some other chassis for the army. And for cranes in the national economy. And for export something. Maybe the volumes are not very large.
    I saw a video from the phone (I talked with the tester) how a car with a trailer was driven into the river. One cabin sticks out in the middle of the river. Muffles the engine. It takes about 2-3 minutes. Then he starts the engine and drives out. The door opens - streams of water flow.
    Tin! To the question: "What if it doesn't start?" He replied that this had not happened yet. But there was another car. "
    Brave guys! If anything, cling to a cable at the depth of human growth! Yes, even drag it 10-15 m along the bottom to the car.
    1. avt
      avt 26 March 2016 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: 2-th12-th
      Release. And for "Krasukh" the chassis is released. And some other chassis for the army. And for cranes in the national economy. And for export something. Maybe the volumes are not very large.

      Worthy of respect! BAZ can be said to be sandwiched between KAMAZ and MAZ. Each time they play by clicking on the Belarusians, and then they throw them. But hold on! good
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 March 2016 09: 23
        +1
        Quote: avt
        But hold on!

        Do not hold on. Five years ago, they stopped funding promising developments for the army.

        And Belarusians too ... Significantly expanded the range of their machines, intensified work with other foreign customers except Russia
        Now you "press" on them, so you can sit down on a hedgehog with his bare ass
        1. avt
          avt 26 March 2016 09: 42
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Now you "press" on them, so you can sit down on a hedgehog with his bare ass

          No. Everything was already with the same MAZ-MAN. KAMAZ will not give any rise to any rise, simply by virtue of what funds are invested. Again, KAMAZ will squeeze out the centipede from the Belarusians, do not even argue, including about quality, etc. And BAZ really holds, but it will rise to a strong competitor will not give ..... the same KAMAZ.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 March 2016 10: 02
            +3
            Quote: avt
            .Again, the "centipede" from the Belarusians KAMAZ will squeeze

            Yes. Only it will cost a lot of money. And not KamAZ, but state ones. And time ... For KamAZ experience in this segment is zero.

            And they managed to turn MZKT / Volat with their gimmicks into a direct competitor to KamAZ, now they produce almost everything, from the analog of GAZ-66 (MZKT-500200) to monsters like MZKT-79291, from minibuses to cars like the MZKT-74135 + 99942 + 83721 train , which a total of 130 tons pulls on itself.
            1. avt
              avt 26 March 2016 11: 21
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Yes. Only it will cost a lot of money.

              And who and when did it stop in modern Russia? As the history of the Super Budget shows, there are no barriers to budget utilization.
              Quote: Spade
              Now they produce almost everything

              And it helped them break through to the budget line of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the Russian market in general? Minsk buses with Moscow are already almost antique - I haven’t seen for a long time, more and more of the Russian assembly.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 March 2016 11: 35
                +1
                Quote: avt
                And it helped them break through to the budget line of the Russian Defense Ministry?

                Do they need it?
                They took the lead by diversifying their portfolio of orders. Apparently, their main consumer has long been not Russia, but China.
                1. avt
                  avt 26 March 2016 13: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  Do they need it?

                  laughing You still decided to make me laugh. laughing
                  Quote: Spade
                  Apparently, their main consumer has long been not Russia, but China.

                  They consider the chickens in the fall - the Chinese passengers are heavy and for no reason, and even take a long horseradish from them, you can take money off a plate only if they have taken a pledge to issue a loan, they do not work differently. But then this is Butsko Kukan real, worse than KAMAZ will be.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 26 March 2016 15: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    They think that chickens in the fall, the Chinese passengers are heavy and for no reason, and even take the long horseradish from them.

                    You can already count. MLRS "Polonaise". The Chinese and Belarusians are good, we are in flight.
            2. Megatron
              Megatron 26 March 2016 12: 27
              +2
              I don’t know how militarily, but the MZK dump trucks are the enemy of the driver.
              The fact that the MAZ was done in the mind, they did in their own way, that is, through ...
            3. adept666
              adept666 30 March 2016 13: 32
              0
              Yes. Only it will cost a lot of money. And not KamAZ, but state ones. And time ... For KamAZ experience in this segment is zero.
              If it cost a lot of money, then the OCD is almost complete ...
  7. KRIG55
    KRIG55 26 March 2016 08: 53
    +4
    It is high time to produce the entire line of tractors at home. Belarus, of course, is a friend to us, but the experience of friendship with Ukraine shows how everything can end.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 March 2016 16: 24
      +1
      Quote: KRIG55
      It is high time to produce the entire line of tractors at home. Belarus, of course, is a friend to us, but the experience of friendship with Ukraine shows how everything can end.

      It was produced in the city of Kurgan, there was a KZKT plant and a number of defense industry enterprises. In the city of Kurgan there was a monster that destroys the defense industry enterprises, and maybe a virus. If the virus is worse, then it can spread to other defense enterprises and they will die out, like the Kurgan factories.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 30 March 2016 23: 13
        0
        KZKT - very cool tractors!
  8. gregor6549
    gregor6549 26 March 2016 09: 17
    +10
    The people, well, do not pull BAZ for a worthy competitor to MZKT, although he really wants to. And it is unlikely to pull in the near future. And it's time to stop making a potential enemy from Belarus and learn to talk to her with respect and not downright. A more reliable and loyal friend and ally of Russia still cannot be found. And it's time to stop talking about how Belarus is trying to get Russian oil and gas for free. Everything is exactly the opposite. Some Russian oligarchs can't wait to grab the most "tasty" Belarusian enterprises for a long time. And Lukashenka is showing them a fig. And he does the right thing. In addition, a business showdown should not concern the strategic relationship between the two states, especially since very big business does not care deeply about national interests. He has only one interest. More attendants at any cost now. And even though the grass won't grow there
    1. avt
      avt 26 March 2016 09: 48
      +3
      Quote: gregor6549
      and. And it's time to stop talking about Belarus trying to get Russian oil and gas for free. Everything is exactly the opposite.

      wassat Belarus supplies gas and oil to Russia at its domestic prices, and along the way, for the sake of the state, "restructured Russia's debt on loans issued by Belarus to Russia for the" Russian economic miracle ", and Batska promised Putin $ 3 billion of a new loan through the EAEU and in general - to support the Russian economy !! wassat ?? laughing
      Quote: gregor6549
      . And Lukashenko shows them a fig.

      Well this - yes, as soon as he gets money, so immediately - “I don’t trade in suvaryanitet!” Now he really lives according to the principle
      Quote: gregor6549
      . He has one interest. More attendants at any cost now. And there even though the grass does not grow
      And because he doesn’t want to drink so that desires coincide with opportunities.
      1. proud
        proud 26 March 2016 17: 27
        -2
        Dear, do you understand what you wrote yourself? When did Old Man Putin promise 3 lard greens through the EAC? Belarus that Saudi Arabia or is it enough for you? I understand that because of sanctions, Russia is far from the most satisfying times, but not by so much!
        1. avt
          avt 26 March 2016 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: proud
          Dear, do you understand what you wrote yourself?

          I’m yes, did you all, well, did I read the quote that I quoted? Try to comprehend my post as a whole, in its entirety, as an answer to a question from an opponent.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 27 March 2016 01: 23
          +1
          Quote: proud
          Dear, do you understand what you wrote yourself? When did Old Man Putin promise 3 lard greens through the EAC? Belarus that Saudi Arabia or is it enough for you? I understand that because of sanctions, Russia is far from the most satisfying times, but not by so much!

          - you are really proud, but so far only this quality can be seen)))), because AVT has sarcasm in the post, you just swap Russia and Belarus in its text, and everything will become clear to you)))) what AVT wanted to say .
          As for the betrayal - it is not clear why the Americans are not afraid of the Germans' betrayal? If they betray them, their Abrams will remain without guns. This is just one example. And they are not afraid. That's why? Yes, and I do not believe that the Germans will betray the Amers, although the Germans are not Anglo-Saxons. And, unfortunately, I believe in the betrayal of the Slavs. There are not only Ukrainians and Bulgarians here ... I don’t even believe that the Japanese will betray the Americans. Well, this is a topic for another conversation, it would be nice to discuss in detail why these are Americans, more precisely, why do Americans so tie people and countries to themselves?
  9. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 26 March 2016 09: 37
    0
    Why so far the automatic transmission has not delivered hydromechanical? It’s strange.
  10. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 26 March 2016 09: 38
    0
    There is an insider opinion that as soon as the "Platform" is rolled back and it goes into production, the story will end with BAZ.
  11. Nasty
    Nasty 26 March 2016 11: 15
    0
    Quote: Leprechaun
    Yes, the appearance and ability to act as a hammer, the "control unit", like ten ... and fifty years ago.

    You need sensors, eh? In terms of the database, everything should be as simple as 3 rubles. And a big red stop button, so that you don't miss your fist. I am constantly instead of "backspace" negative , damn it, I press "yu".
  12. Torins
    Torins 26 March 2016 12: 15
    -1
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Spade
    Now you "press" on them, so you can sit down on a hedgehog with his bare ass

    No. Everything was already with the same MAZ-MAN. KAMAZ will not give any rise to any rise, simply by virtue of what funds are invested. Again, KAMAZ will squeeze out the centipede from the Belarusians, do not even argue, including about quality, etc. And BAZ really holds, but it will rise to a strong competitor will not give ..... the same KAMAZ.

    MAZ and KAMAZ are already one company and the money they have in common) The merger of these two giants at the beginning of last year happened as far as I remember)) And neither MAZ nor KAMAZ makes military hardships, but the MZKT makes them))
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 26 March 2016 12: 28
      +1
      The first time I've heard. But father stomped with his hoofs that Maz would not give up.
    2. avt
      avt 26 March 2016 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: Torins
      MAZ and KAMAZ are already one company and they have common money) The merger of these two giants at the beginning of last year happened as far as I remember))

      wassat One for two, well, like, something with my memory has become .. "or me, or you.
      Quote: Megatron
      The first time I've heard. But father stomped with his hoofs that Maz would not give up.

      But I hear it regularly.
      Quote: Torins
      A year ago, somewhere, the main agreements were reached and the process of creating the holding began to move. It will take more than one year.

      laughing Well, yes, yes ... Yak sayuyuznaya state and obviously the normative act is constitutional and the ruble is single. laughing I won’t argue with one
      Quote: Torins
      they have common money)

      But Batski has common money, but Russia still does not want to understand this for some reason. wassat
  13. Torins
    Torins 26 March 2016 12: 45
    +1
    Quote: Megatron
    The first time I've heard. But father stomped with his hoofs that Maz would not give up.

    Because Russia, as usual, proposed the conditions for the creation of the holding not in equal shares, but, as usual, as a matter of fact, the absorption of MAZ by KAMAZ)) Although these are two equivalent companies, and each has niches not occupied by one of the parties. A year ago, somewhere, the main agreements were reached and the process of creating the holding began to move. It will take more than one year.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 27 March 2016 01: 33
      +2
      Quote: Torins
      Because Russia, as usual, proposed the conditions for the creation of the holding not in equal shares, but, as usual, as a matter of fact, the absorption of MAZ by KAMAZ)) Although these are two equivalent companies, and each has niches not occupied by one of the parties.
      - what are you minus? Generally speaking, Russian oligos have ... well, business representatives have such a habit of condescending to their partners from the near, so to speak, abroad, even if there is no reason for this. This example can also serve as an example - any objective person can see that Kamaz is not much better than Maz, absolutely comparable firms, but it’s necessary, the Russians are trying to
      Quote: Torins
      in fact, the absorption of MAZ by KAMAZ))
      .
      I believe this, because in Kazakhstan, representatives of Russian companies do business in about the same way and get offended when they get bummed. For example, they are trying to buy a confectionery factory "Rakhat", the price is offered as for rubbish, although the factory is very worthy, produces worthy products, as a result the factory goes to the Koreans. Well, what grudges? What are the prices? How glass beads are offered)))). Thorins definitely did not deserve minuses. Anyway, in this post. It is clear, everything is controversial, but here the minuses were slapped to him simply for his position on the side of his country.
  14. Torins
    Torins 26 March 2016 13: 10
    -2
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Torins
    MAZ and KAMAZ are already one company and they have common money) The merger of these two giants at the beginning of last year happened as far as I remember))

    wassat One for two, well, like, something with my memory has become .. "or me, or you.
    Quote: Megatron
    The first time I've heard. But father stomped with his hoofs that Maz would not give up.

    But I hear it regularly.
    Quote: Torins
    A year ago, somewhere, the main agreements were reached and the process of creating the holding began to move. It will take more than one year.

    laughing Well, yes, yes ... Yak sayuyuznaya state and obviously the normative act is constitutional and the ruble is single. laughing I won’t argue with one
    Quote: Torins
    they have common money)

    But Batski has common money, but Russia still does not want to understand this for some reason. wassat

    I quote:
    auto giants form a holding with joint access to 75% plus one share of the Belarusian plant and 49,9% of the securities of the Russian enterprise.



    Recall that the manufacturers of the most popular trucks and buses announced their merger back in 2010. At the initiative of the state corporation Rostekhnologii (now Rostec), both concerns were to exchange blocks of shares in accordance with market valuation. However, the Belarusian government insisted on maintaining the autonomy and independence of the two enterprises. As a result, they will work in the common interest, maintaining independence. The main emphasis in cooperation will be on the pricing of products and on the creation of more advanced models of technology.
    At the moment, MAZ is under the control of the Belarusian state, and the largest shareholders of KamAZ are Rostec and Daimler.
    1. avt
      avt 26 March 2016 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Torins
      Recall that the manufacturers of the most popular trucks and buses announced their merger back in 2010.

      request Promise not to get married.
      Quote: Torins
      However, the Belarusian government insisted on maintaining the autonomy and independence of the two enterprises. As a result, they will work in the common interest, maintaining independence. The main emphasis in cooperation will be on the pricing of products and on the creation of more advanced models of technology.

      That is, not life, but a song - “Two steps to the left, two steps to the right, a step at the pirod and two back.” The bottom line is what?
      Quote: Megatron
      . But father stomped with his hoofs that Maz would not give up.

      and that is characteristic - the master of his word! I didn’t give it away! But this is good or bad - the topic of another conversation.
  15. gregor6549
    gregor6549 26 March 2016 13: 11
    +3
    I will add a couple more kopecks to what was said earlier. The relations between the peoples of Belarus and Russia should not depend in any way on some short-term moments, including on who is currently in charge of these states. Leaders come and go. Some of their own free will, some not of their own, but the peoples remain. It is from this that one must proceed even if among some of the peoples "bark beetles" are born. You need to deal with beetles, but at the same time without putting something more fundamental at stake: a lot; summer friendship, cooperation, war against common enemies. We have already dealt with Ukraine and now we do not know how to get out of these showdowns and why thousands of civilians, who had neither ambitions nor money, died for someone's personal ambitions and no less personal money. At the same time, for some reason, many forget that after the Second World War, thousands of citizens of the Russian Federation were sent to Belarus and Ukraine to restore the national economy destroyed by the Germans, and so they settled there where they were sent. (By the way, they sent it without really asking for consent). And that now these people instantly turned into dill which needs to be destroyed just because the war will write off everything? So it will not write off. They will remember everything and everyone and tell their children. Including about the "heroes", whose good intentions have paved the way to hell for hundreds of civilians. Why am I? And to the fact that you do not need to roll the barrel on your neighbor. Otherwise, Newton's law inevitably comes into force, according to which any impact of a force on something or someone immediately causes the opposition of this force. And while these forces are banging, someone again fills their pockets. rob and rape.
  16. Torins
    Torins 26 March 2016 14: 34
    +1
    Quote: gregor6549
    I will add a couple more kopecks to what was said earlier. The relations between the peoples of Belarus and Russia should not depend in any way on some short-term moments, including on who is currently in charge of these states. Leaders come and go. Some of their own free will, some not of their own, but the peoples remain. It is from this that one must proceed even if among some of the peoples "bark beetles" are born. You need to deal with beetles, but at the same time without putting something more fundamental at stake: a lot; summer friendship, cooperation, war against common enemies. We have already dealt with Ukraine and now we do not know how to get out of these showdowns and why thousands of civilians, who had neither ambitions nor money, died for someone's personal ambitions and no less personal money. At the same time, for some reason, many forget that after the Second World War, thousands of citizens of the Russian Federation were sent to Belarus and Ukraine to restore the national economy destroyed by the Germans, and so they settled there where they were sent. (By the way, they sent it without really asking for consent). And that now these people instantly turned into dill which needs to be destroyed just because the war will write off everything? So it will not write off. They will remember everything and everyone and tell their children. Including about the "heroes", whose good intentions have paved the way to hell for hundreds of civilians. Why am I? And to the fact that you do not need to roll the barrel on your neighbor. Otherwise, Newton's law inevitably comes into force, according to which any impact of a force on something or someone immediately causes the opposition of this force. And while these forces are banging, someone again fills their pockets. rob and rape.

    I fully agree, I have repeatedly noticed that quite a lot of people (including on this forum) do not perceive the Republic of Belarus as a serious ally, preferring to see in any manifestation of at least some kind of independence another bounce on the country's leadership. I personally know a lot of Russians who see in Belarus exclusively the Russian province, which temporarily broke away ...
    Moreover, this can be seen not only in the comments, but also in Russian news feeds, how any news from the Republic of Belarus is presented cannot be described in words ...