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Terpil-96

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How to break off the wings of the long-haul project


History This one began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger IL-86 aircraft to 350 seats for medium-haul airlines entered the airways of the Soviet Union. Later, taking into account the fact that the territory of the Soviet Union occupied the 1 / 6 part of the land, it was decided to create a wide-body long-haul IL-96 aircraft of the same passenger capacity.

For him, an engine with a thrust of 18 tons was required. This was not the case in the USSR; it was yet to be created. And since at the same time as the IL-96 was planned narrow-body Tu-204 for medium-length routes, the Ministry aviation USSR industry, it was decided to make a single engine for both aircraft. Looking ahead, we note that, like many other erroneous decisions, the main motivation here was to save money. This led to the need to reduce the number of passengers of this modification from 350 to 300. So the IL-96-300 project was born, the economy of which was lower than that of the original IL-96.

“At a price significantly lower than that of foreign aircraft, the new IL-96-300 and Tu-204 did not have the slightest chance to find at least the minimum demand in the domestic market”
But the idea to return to the Il-96 aircraft the technical and economic parameters originally incorporated in it did not leave the General Designer of the OKB im. Ilyushin Genrikh Novozhilov. And overseas, the political enemy of the Soviet Union, the United States, at Pratt & Whitney was looking for a new brainchild - the PW2337 engine. The joint interest of the two firms in promoting their developments to world markets and the warming of Soviet-American relations made it possible on December 7, 1990 to sign a protocol for the preparation of a feasibility study for the Il-96M aircraft with PW2337 engines, which provided for the construction of an experimental prototype for the 1993 international air show in Paris. Taking into account the outlined cooperation and at the request of Pratt & Whitney's parent company, United Technologies Corporation (UTC), on January 20, 1991, official representatives of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) arrived in Moscow to negotiate the certification of our aircraft in America. The Soviet side was informed that this is possible only after the permission of the US State Department and the signing of an intergovernmental agreement on flight safety.

In the same 1991, the Soviet Union was gone, and further work on the Il-96M was carried out in Russia. The collapse of the USSR sharply complicated the implementation of the agreements reached by the Ilyushin people. The project lost financial support from the state. Moreover, one of the first actions of the Yeltsin-Gaidar government was the practical confiscation of all working capital of industrial enterprises of the defense complex, which immediately put them on the brink of survival. Of course, the attitude to their industry in the United States was far from being the case, which allowed Pratt & Whitney to fulfill all obligations to our design bureau on time to create the Il-96M. Moreover, the pressure exerted by UTC on the Russian leadership led to, if not material, then at least moral support for the project. As a result, President Yeltsin paid a visit to the OKB im. Ilyushin for acquaintance with the development of the Il-96M with American engines. This, of course, contributed to a more favorable attitude towards the Il-96M project of various government agencies. The progress of work on the Il-96M project was covered in detail at the Mosaeroshow-92 in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

All Soviet scrapping, collect scrap metal


With the collapse of the Soviet Union, serious changes took place in the state regulatory bodies of civil aviation. At the site of the USSR Gosavianadzor, which, contrary to the requirements of the 13 annex to the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, simultaneously investigated flight incidents and was engaged in certification of aircraft type, the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) ). He continued to investigate the incident and certify in violation of the 13 application. In addition, the latter, having diplomatic immunity on the territory of Russia, was engaged on a commercial basis, which contradicts all the norms of international law. And with an enthusiasm worthy of better use, he stamped type certificates for foreign-made aircraft, especially the Boeing company.

Terpil-96


MAK history deserves a separate investigation. For us in this case, it is important that due to the uncontrolled certification of foreign aircraft to the Russian market, a flood of foreign junk rushed, often at a price slightly higher than for scrap metal. The customs duties on the import of foreign aircraft, introduced at the request of the State Committee on Defense Industry, did not play any role, since the price for scrap still remained the same. And this is with a huge amount of Soviet-made equipment that was given to airlines free of charge. If you add to them the re-export stream of cheap domestic aircraft from the CIS and Eastern Europe and the collapse in demand for air transport due to the catastrophic decline in the living standards of the population, it becomes clear that with Il-96-300 and Tu-204, it is very difficult to get certified in 1992 and 1994, at a price significantly lower than that of new foreign aircraft, there was not the slightest chance of finding at least the minimum demand in the domestic market.

But they could not go to foreign countries, since they were not certified anywhere else, except for the poor republics of the CIS, who did not know how to get rid of the unnecessary free-of-charge Soviet aircraft.

Under such conditions, I made my first departure of 6 on April 1993 of the Central Aerodrome on the Khodynka Field on a prototype long-haul passenger IL-96MO, permission for which I signed, being the head of the R & D Department and promising scientific developments of the State Committee for Defense Industry, together with representatives of the military (the aerodrome owners) and Moscow City Hall. I remember well a sigh of relief when it was reported that everything went well. After all, the length of the strip was only 1800 meters, and the flight path passed over the city objects. It is now all there built up the stadium and residential buildings, and recently opened a shopping and entertainment complex with the nostalgic name of Aviapark. They say they called it that because the owners, when they received permission to build, promised to create here an analogue of the National Aviation and Cosmonautics Museum of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. But something, as always, did not grow together, and the aviation exhibits assembled at Khodynka were sent for scrap. What we have - do not store, lost - we cry. Tradition.

At the same time, the flight of the Il-96MO from the Central Aerodrome was saved by the Aviation Complex named after him. SV Ilyushin time and a lot of money when transporting the aircraft from the pilot plant to the VCU in Zhukovsky. This allowed 1993 in June, as promised to the Americans Novozhilov, to take part in the 40 International Air Show in Paris. And on the next, 41, between JSC Aeroflot - Russian Airlines and AK them. Ilyushin signed a General Agreement on the supply of ten IL-96M and so many IL-96Ts with PW-2337 engines and Rockwell Collins avionics.

Simultaneously AK them. Ilyushin and the Voronezh Aviation Aircraft Building Society conducted with the FAA and the MAC a successful work on the certification of IL-96М / Т aircraft in the USA and the CIS.

Chernomyrdin supported, Kasyanov buried


The active lobbying of the IL-96M / T project by Ilyushins, and most importantly by the corporations United Technologies Corporation and Rockwell Collins in the governmental circles of Russia and the United States bore fruit: the review of all issues on the program was entrusted to the intergovernmental commission Chernomyrdin-Gore. In 1997, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Defense Industry of the Russian Federation, the government adopted Resolution No. 125 “On measures of state support for the production of IL-96М / Т aircraft.” In development, already on the initiative of the Ministry of Economics of the Russian Federation 7 July 1998, a decree appeared, according to which customs privileges for imported foreign aircraft could be granted only if they did not produce their direct certified analogues in the Russian Federation. At the same time, the air carrier had to invest three rubles in the domestic aircraft industry for every ruble exempt from customs payments and guarantee the conclusion of specific contracts with manufacturers. On this basis, in July between the Ministry of Economy of the Russian Federation and the companies Aeroflot-Russian Airlines and Transaero, investment agreements were signed in July of 1998, which obliged to purchase new domestic IL-96-300, IL-96М / Т and TU-204. In particular, Aeroflot signed up to purchase X-NUMX Il-2005M / T aircraft for the total amount of about 20 billion dollars before 96. July 1,5 The new leadership of the airline, in the presence of Prime Minister Sergey Kiriyenko, was signed by 28 with AK. Ilyushin protocol of additions to the General Agreement 1998 of the year on the purchase of passenger Il-1995М and three cargo Il-17Т from VASO 96. The main condition for the financing of US participants in the project for the production of IL-96М / T from the US Eximbank in the amount of 96 billion dollars was the acquisition by Aeroflot of 1,075 Boeing airplanes. It was compensation for the appearance of a competitor in the market. The guarantors of the whole transaction were the government of the Russian Federation and Vnesheconombank. However, after the August 10 crisis, Eximbank refused to finance the American participants in the project and participate in the transaction. Vice President Gore had no influence on this decision, although the bank’s operations are fully controlled by the US Department of State.



Nevertheless, during the state visit of President Clinton to Russia 2 September 1998, an intergovernmental agreement on improving flight safety was concluded between the Russian Federation and the USA - BASA, which opened the way for the issuance of the FAA AK to them. S.V. Ilyushin type certificate for IL-96T. And September 12 of the IAC, the FAS of the Russian Federation and the FAA of the USA signed the “Implementation procedures for the approval of the design, activities related to production, export approval of airworthiness, works after the approval of the design and technical mutual assistance between aviation authorities”. This document is interesting for the complete inequality of approaches to the certification of aircraft developed in Russia and the United States. In particular, the 2 section states that the Russian Federation accepts FAA export certificates for both new and used aircraft developed in the United States. But we remember that by this time the IAC, without any intergovernmental agreement, had certified all American junk at a reasonable price, and it had to be somehow covered up. But the United States accepts export certificates of airworthiness of aircraft of the transport category of only fully cargo configuration, with engines approved by the FAA, propellers, avionics, and only for the instrumental approach in categories I and II. Agree that equality does not smell here.

Only after all the concessions from the Russian side, FAA USA 2 June 1999, issued AK them. Ilyushin type certificate for IL-96T aircraft. But it certainly was a tremendous success of the domestic civil aviation industry, which proved to the Americans that our planes are in no way inferior from the point of view of flight safety.

Completion of the project now required all parties to meet their commitments. And with this there were problems. Although Aeroflot leased 10 Boeing aircraft duty-free, Eximbank initially refused to finance the supply of engines and equipment to Ilyushin residents. It was only under pressure from American co-executors of the project that he decided to provide guarantees against loans to pay for supplies. True, now he allocated only $ 96 million for the construction of three Il-130Ts for the purchase of 12 Pratt & Whitney PW2037 engines and Collins avionics, thus financing 85 percent of the project cost, another 15 percent were commodity loans from American suppliers.

It would seem that the ice has broken. And here the people of Ilyushin received a stab in the back, but not from someone, but from their own government. In agreement with the leadership of Rosaviakosmos, Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov signed Decree No. 26 on December 2001, 906, which invalidated the decision of the Chernomyrdin Cabinet on measures of state support for the production of the Il-96M / T. This immediately deprived the Ilyushin people of the opportunity to finance the project. It is said that this development was greeted by Boeing and Airbus corporations with a sense of deep satisfaction. And Pratt & Whitney and Rockwell Collins wrote off the losses of $ 200 million spent on the certification of the Il-96M / T, and took back their engines and avionics, admitting that the project had failed.

The story, however, did not end there. 10 August 2009, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Viktor Khristenko announced: “Production of the IL-96-300 aircraft is unpromising and will be discontinued. Therefore, it was decided to import free of foreign passenger aircraft with more than 300 passengers into Russia and much work is being done on cooperation with the United States in the production of their long-haul and wide-body passenger version of Boeing. In particular, the Russian side supplies a significant amount of titanium structures for this airliner. ”

Heinrich Novozhilov assessed the decision of the minister as follows: “As the verdict to the Russian aviation industry, a statement was made that we didn’t need wide-body aircraft. I can not understand the principle of selection of people in the government of the country. The leaders of our industry are not experts in the field that they oversee. ”

30 July 2015, the IAC, of ​​course, again for a fee, certified aircraft A-340 company "Airbus Industry", which is a direct analogue of the IL-96M. So, now in the CIS there is a demand for aircraft of this type, but we ourselves have given this niche to foreign firms. Sad story.
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  1. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 27 March 2016 06: 33
    +58
    I was lucky to fly the IL-86! Cool plane, some kind of "soft", comfortable, powerful and reliable! And, not because I come from the USSR, but because later I flew in Boeing, Airbus, even Bombardier ... Homeland should be like this plane! Do not think that I am a pilot, a simple passenger, with experience ... hi The Il-86 has been mass-produced since 1979 ... or "this story began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il-86 entered the airways of the Soviet Union" ..?! Is it like a failure in time, or in the education of the author of the article ?!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 March 2016 06: 52
      +19
      An indelible impression of flights on the IL-86 flight "Moscow-Simferopol". With regret I compare similar flights on Tu-134, 154 ...
      Only for this plane had to fight ...
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 27 March 2016 07: 57
        +25
        Great article, piece. It can be seen that the author, as rarely does anyone, owns the material, the breadth of the problem causes respect, it is a pity that it is impossible to put more than one plus.
        Terpil-96
        the heading (as they say today) is just tin.
        1. Throw
          Throw 27 March 2016 22: 27
          +2
          Photo collage to the article - too))
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 28 March 2016 06: 31
        +4
        Who to fight with? With your traitors in power?
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 28 March 2016 12: 12
        +4
        They flew IL-86 and on long-haul long-haul flights. For example, Moscow-Vladivostok. My neighbor on the porch was a ship's commander, brought Far Eastern crabs from every flight, oh, I ate them in my childhood, and now looking at prices in Moscow I just don’t understand how it was possible to just give them boxes in a neighborly way! The fathers were very friendly.
        1. comprochikos
          comprochikos 29 March 2016 14: 08
          +1
          I don’t know about the IL-96, but on the 86th I flew in 1987 in the river. Vietnam. Impressions at the time on top. Yes, and today. When landing, you don’t feel the moment of landing.
          1. aba
            aba 29 March 2016 20: 48
            0
            And I flew to Sochi in the 90th. Mahina impresses everyone! smile
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    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 27 March 2016 08: 28
      +9
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "this story began in 1990

      Well, yes, someone messed up the time frame laughing . So, three years before the plane entered the line, I flew on it, in 1987 belay .
      The car was awesome, flew on it to Leningrad, and back to the Tu-154. Impressions - heaven and earth! "Tu" seemed small and cramped, although a decent shed. I can only compare the Il-86 with the Boeing-757, and even then only because I haven’t flown another aircraft of comparable size and comfort: we don’t have a 747.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 March 2016 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        We don't have "747".

        Transaero had 20 Boeing 747-400s. The on-board numbers of these ships are: ei-xll, vp-bkj, ei-xle, ei-xlj, ei-xlb, ei-xln, vp-bkl, vp-bvr, vq-bhw, ei-xlo, ei-xlz, ei-
        xlf, ei-xlg, ei-xli, ei-xld, ei-xlh. yes
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 27 March 2016 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        Well, yes, someone messed up the time frame ... I can only compare IL-86 with a Boeing-757,

        In my opinion, someone messed up not the framework, but the numbers.
    3. Bacha
      Bacha 27 March 2016 09: 43
      +13
      IL 96! 96! Far master! Putin has one now! By the way, there has never been a single incident with them! Great machine.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 27 March 2016 10: 56
        +8
        Quote: Bacha
        IL 96! 96! Far master! Putin has one now! By the way, there has never been a single incident with them! Great machine.


        "On October 5, 2004, some Russian publications reported that on September 29, when taking off from the Lisbon international airport, the Il-96-300PU (w / n 96016) collided with a flock of birds, presumably pigeons. On September 30, it was examined by the technicians of the State Customs Committee of Russia, which owns the aircraft. arriving from Moscow on IL-62

        As a result, it was announced that the reason for the cancellation of take-off was not a collision with birds at all, but condensate from the SCR tubes that got on the dashboard. Moisture distorted the readings of the instruments: the engines worked in the takeoff mode, but the instruments showed that the engines could not reach the takeoff mode.

        Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was not on the plane at that time, he was in Saratov.

        On August 2, 2005, the same IL-96-300PU, but with the president on board, was unable to take off from the airport in the Finnish city of Turku, where Vladimir Putin was on an official visit. During taxiing, a technical malfunction was discovered; a decision was made to transfer the president to the reserve IL-62.

        The consequences of this incident were more serious. On August 22, at the proposal of the Federal Service for Supervision in the Field of Transport, flights of all IL-96 aircraft were banned. This was due to the systematic failure of the wheel braking system, which occurred including on August 2 in Finland. It was announced that one of the wheel brake assemblies, UG151-7, was defective and did not comply with the declared drawings. UG151 units for IL-96 were assembled at the Balashikhinsky Foundry and Mechanical Plant; to replace them, a new batch was assembled at the Molniya NPO plant in Moscow.

        The result of the ban was multi-million dollar losses of airlines using the IL-96, primarily Aeroflot. On October 3, VASO CEO Vyacheslav Salikov was dismissed, IL-96 flights were resumed on the same day. The flight ban lasted 42 days. "
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 27 March 2016 14: 48
          +19
          there is evidence of an investigation on the braking system, the contractor who issued the poor-quality equipment is to blame, but Dima Medvedev and his advisers needed to be driven, the aeroflot management is modestly silent, no words, the only joy of the IAC was deprived of the right to certify, finally.
      2. Manul
        Manul 28 March 2016 00: 37
        +3
        Quote: Bacha
        IL 96! 96! Far master!

        What are you talking about? There were not many built in the 96s, one was personally seen in Vnukovo, in the presidential block (I started the refrigerator for the ventilation of this box on a business trip there), it’s hard to know the fate of the others. It's about 86, which also seems to be long-haul, and that many managed to fly passengers on them. I join in raptures - but the problem is that all the last time before the collapse, I flew only on 86x. Accustomed to comfort, and with the Tu-154, no longer compare - just forgot.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 29 March 2016 11: 05
          0
          I quote almost literally - In the summer of last year, President Vladimir Putin ordered the restoration of mass production of IL-96-400 aircraft based on VASO. The other day, the answer to this question came from the Ministry of Industry of Russia. The position of the Ministry of Industry was announced by Sergey Gavrilov, a State Duma deputy from the Voronezh region.
          “The document notes the role of the VASO aircraft plant, which has significant experience in the production of wide-body aircraft of the Il brand,” said Sergei Gavrilov. “From 1980 to 1990, more than a hundred aircraft of the Il-86 type were built at the plant.”
          Then in the 90s a crisis struck. Despite this, the production of aircraft at the aircraft factory did not stop. Moreover, in recent years, 25 Il-96-300 and Il-960-400 aircraft have been built. Work is also underway to modernize aircraft.
          “At VASO they are ready to increase the pace of production,” the State Duma deputy emphasizes. -
          The Ministry of Industry will prepare new contracts for the development of mass production of wide-body aircraft for the Voronezh Aircraft Plant. Now they are implementing orders for managing the affairs of the President of Russia, the Ministry of Defense and Ilyushin Finance Co. Two new IL-96-300s are being built and four existing IL-96-400T cargo planes are being upgraded to special-purpose options, including tankers for refueling long-range aircraft of the Russian Air Force.
          “VASO will have enough power for new orders. The Ministry of Defense of the country is considering the construction of four control points on the basis of the IL-96-400 aircraft, - said Sergey Gavrilov. “The Ministry of Industry highly appreciated the readiness of VASO's production facilities for new orders.”
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 March 2016 10: 13
      +7
      Quote: ALABAY45
      failure in time, or in the education of the author of the article ?!

      Absolutely so!
      And similar articles should be written by very competent comrades, and not so, just chat.
      Not the demand for IL-96 and, to a lesser extent, Tu-204 was explained not by machinations, but by the real lag of our industry. So the IL-96 with 4 engines, and not with two, like Boing or Aibas. We simply do not produce such engines. Reliability PS-90 in the 90s, too, could not boast. The weight of an empty aircraft, especially the Tu-204, is significantly higher than that of competitors carrying the same number of passengers.
      Perhaps, something could be corrected in this respect, but ...
      In the conditions of the collapse of the country this did not work.
      Only now is the large-scale modernization program for the civil aviation industry being completed. This is primarily the acquisition of technologies for the creation of PD-14 and the MS-21 project.
      May God grant these projects complete success.
      1. krops777
        krops777 27 March 2016 14: 53
        +2
        Not the demand for IL-96 and, to a lesser extent, Tu-204 was explained not by machinations, but by the real lag of our industry. So the IL-96 with 4 engines, and not with two, like Boing or Aibas. We simply do not produce such engines. Reliability PS-90 in the 90s, too, could not boast. The weight of an empty aircraft, especially the Tu-204, is significantly higher than that of competitors carrying the same number of passengers.
        Perhaps, something could be corrected in this respect, but ...
        In the conditions of the collapse of the country this did not work.
        Only now is the large-scale modernization program for the civil aviation industry being completed. This is primarily the acquisition of technologies for the creation of PD-14 and the MS-21 project.


        I agree, but to bring the project to oblivion, for the sake of Western campaigns, this is betrayal.
    5. Severok
      Severok 27 March 2016 10: 41
      -12%
      You probably confused the IL-68 long-haul, yes, it appeared in the 60s or 70s, and the IL-86?
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 27 March 2016 14: 53
        +3
        flew a passenger plane on il-86, somewhere in the mid-90s, and had to fly with a change to a Boeing 737, at 86 the comfort was higher and more comfortable and quieter
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 27 March 2016 11: 45
      +4
      Great was the plane! When you fly on it, the soul was filled with pride for the homeland.
    7. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 March 2016 16: 43
      -1
      Quote: ALABAY45
      The Il-86 has been mass-produced since 1979 ... or "this story began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il-86 entered the airways of the Soviet Union" ..?! Is it like a failure in time, or in the education of the author of the article ?!

      The conversation in the article about the IL-96! And here is the IL-86 and dips in time? hi
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 27 March 2016 17: 06
        +1
        "... the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il-86 came out .."
        Yes, okay! So the article says, maybe you read another article ...?! hi
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 27 March 2016 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: ALABAY45
          Yes, okay! So the article says, maybe you read another article ...?!

          This one. On December 26, 1980, the IL-86 aircraft completed its first regular flight on the route Moscow - Tashkent. Maybe the author meant 1980 and just a typo came out? And the 96th began to operate in the summer of 1993. hi
    8. SevaNikolaev
      SevaNikolaev 28 March 2016 00: 09
      +1
      And what a rack was for bags at the entrance.
    9. mark021105
      mark021105 28 March 2016 20: 01
      +3
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I was lucky to fly the IL-86!

      I also flew more than once on an IL-86. Awesome airplane! Not a single Boeing or Airbus can compare with him !!! And this is all nonsense, about uneconomy. There was nothing to ruin your industry !!!
    10. goloigor
      goloigor 29 March 2016 08: 33
      0
      Yes, yes, just so soft and comfortable. "Even takeoff and landing were" soft "! The" Moscow Alma-Ata "flew, it was great!
    11. Armax
      Armax 29 March 2016 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "This story began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il-86 entered the airways of the Soviet Union."

      Somewhere there really is a mistake.
      In 1984, I flew to military service, from Volgograd to the German Democratic Republic (GSVG, I don’t remember the airfield) to Il-86.
      There were 330 of us recruits, tormented by stewardesses and were surprised at a two-story plane that was never seen before.
    12. Foresterer
      Foresterer 29 March 2016 23: 24
      +1
      He flew to Adler on such a plane in 1987. The author is confusing something.
  2. venaya
    venaya 27 March 2016 06: 43
    +18
    I can not understand the principle of selection of people in the government of the country

    There is nothing to understand here. The most important, the most necessary direction in aircraft construction was necessary for them to destroy in the bud, this was the basic role of those non-humans, whom we unfairly call "government". It is even difficult to think of a more serious blow to both the economy and the unity of our country.
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 27 March 2016 09: 41
      0
      Since 1953, mediocrity in power. Only Russia can bear it, but sometime the yoke must be got rid of.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 27 March 2016 15: 50
        0
        Quote: atos_kin
        Since 1953 mediocrity in power
        ... for 2000. Or is there any unusually gifted candidate for power in mind?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 28 March 2016 04: 46
          +5
          By 2016, do not soar in the clouds and see the composition of the government.
    2. ametist415
      ametist415 27 March 2016 10: 39
      +6
      What the people are, so is the padish.
  3. jaguar
    jaguar 27 March 2016 06: 48
    +11
    I can’t understand the principle of selecting people for the government of a country. This probably no one can understand winked
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 March 2016 07: 01
      +2
      They are selected according to the principle that if they are sent to other matters, they will do even more harm, because they do not know how to do anything ... In a word:
    2. ametist415
      ametist415 27 March 2016 10: 40
      0
      You don't understand, that's why they use it.
  4. Good cat
    Good cat 27 March 2016 06: 54
    +2
    Why understand that? Pests are just that.
    1. alekc73
      alekc73 27 March 2016 08: 36
      +7
      They are not pests or fools. They just do not work for Russia. They support foreign corporations, but also their own pocket. hi
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 27 March 2016 15: 55
        +6
        Absolutely.
        Since the 91st year, after the victory of the counter-revolution, all the actions of the authorities are aimed exclusively at the final transformation of the Russian Federation into a raw material appendage of the West. And in this sense, the authorities do not need aviation industry. Colossal funds came from the sale of hydrocarbons to the budget at zero ... but did they go to industry?
        Over the past 15 years, not only has not been opened new industries, but what remains of the USSR has not been modernized. Meanwhile, equipment was deteriorating, personnel were aging.
        If we make a comparison, it is interesting to which year in history we rolled back in the production of aircraft?
        Sawing attempts with the SJ-100, not only not impressive but lead to despondency. From a leading aircraft building power, we rolled back to the global margins in the aircraft industry and in all its components.
        It should be noted with sadness that all our great achievements have remained in our glorious socialist past.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 29 March 2016 16: 32
          0
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Since the 91st year, after the victory of the counter-revolution

          Yeltsin, of course, was a noble counter-revolutionary who had a short slap from the trough with the Central Committee of the CPSU.
  5. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 27 March 2016 07: 17
    +17
    Look at Dvorkovich ...
    I slammed the rise in food prices and smiles - soohhhhhhhhh negative am
  6. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 27 March 2016 07: 18
    +7
    How to break off the wings of the long-haul project

    The trouble is that these people still have an influence on decision-making at the state level.
  7. Bongo
    Bongo 27 March 2016 07: 19
    +14
    On 10 on August 2009, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Viktor Khristenko announced: “The production of the Il-96-300 aircraft is unpromising and will be discontinued. Therefore, a decision was made on the duty-free import of foreign passenger aircraft into Russia

    Viktor Borisovich Khristenko (genus 28 August 1957, Chelyabinsk) - formerly - Deputy Prime Minister of Russia, Chairman of the Board of the Eurasian Economic Commission, Doctor of Economics, Professor, President of the Russian Golf Association.

    In 1996, Khristenko became the head of the campaign headquarters during the presidential elections, was Yeltsin's representative in the Chelyabinsk region. Soon, on the recommendation of Anatoly Chubais, he was appointed the plenipotentiary representative of the President in the region. Together with A. Chubais and E. Gaidar, Khristenko took part in the development "anti-crisis program".

    In the autumn of 1998, as the 1 Deputy Minister of Finance, he led the development of the draft federal budget. In May, 1999 took the post of First Deputy Prime Minister. His responsibilities included overseeing macroeconomic and financial blocks. When V. Stepashin’s office resigned, he remained at his post, entering V. Putin’s office. During the preparations for the presidential election, Khristenko became the head of the headquarters of Vladimir Putin in the Chelyabinsk region. In the summer of 2000, he was introduced to the directors of Gazprom. In Kasyanov’s office, he became Deputy Prime Minister.


    Viktor Khristenko with his second wife Tatyana Golikova

    Since May 2008, Khristenko was Minister of Industry and Trade. Starting in December 2011, he heads the ECE and will remain in this position for four years. Khristenko has been in the Government for more than fifteen years, he can be considered a long-liver.

    Viktor Khristenko and Tatyana Golikova live in Moscow, in Krylatsky, in the elite village of Fantasy Island, built on the territory of the specially protected natural area Moskvoretsky park. Khristenko owns an apartment of 218,6 sq. m. According to him, he bought this housing on the secondary market in 2007. In that year, the cost of such apartments reached $ 14 thousand per meter, that is, on average, the minister should have cost about $ 3 million. According to income statements , for 2008, Khristenko earned 4,4 million rubles, for 2009, almost 5,4 million rubles.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 27 March 2016 07: 32
      +7
      Everything in his life happened — he sits smiling — what does he care about the country, the people ... They will jump from position to position — sort of generalists, unsinkable aircraft carriers (
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 27 March 2016 19: 58
        +4
        Quote: Dimon19661
        Everything in his life happened — he sits smiling — what does he care about the country, the people ... They will jump from position to position — sort of generalists, unsinkable aircraft carriers (

        So we no longer have capitalism, but some kind of industrial feudalism, where the close people sit in all kinds of estates for feeding.
    2. sevtrash
      sevtrash 27 March 2016 09: 57
      +5
      Quote: Bongo
      Viktor Khristenko with his second wife Tatyana Golikova

      Some time ago, hackers broke into Golikova’s mail. Well there about diamonds, sapphires. And - oh, surprise! - Correspondence with Khristenko about the family business - import of aircraft.

      http://ru.tsn.ua/svit/hakery-vzlomali-pochtu-glavy-schetnoy-palaty-rf-lechenie-v
      -evrope-dorogie-brillianty-i-import-samoletov-509676.html
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 March 2016 10: 34
      +1
      14000 dollars per square - this is a hut with windows on Red Square.
  8. apro
    apro 27 March 2016 07: 30
    +1
    In the light of these events, I consider the repressions against the designers and leading leaders of the aviation industry IVStalin to be sound decisions, failed the case, think and get him a harsh sentence. The story with Douglas when Tupolev improperly used the state funds entrusted to him for personal purposes during perestroika was presented as arbitrary and illegal repressions now on apology with silt clearly show where complacency and indulgence to thieves lead.
  9. avia12005
    avia12005 27 March 2016 07: 31
    +7
    Comrade, believe, she will ascend, the star of captivating happiness, and the criminal cases will serve as the crown of autocracy ...
  10. tundra
    tundra 27 March 2016 07: 33
    +2
    Beautiful planes, impressive.
    When I first saw them in Koltsovo,
    They just shocked me with their size.
    Their parking was near the arrival hall, they drove past them, and then they almost spoiled their luggage, looking at them.
  11. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 27 March 2016 07: 41
    +1
    Well, what and what can we talk about further, to attract comrades to account - we will not attract, to build a plane - we will not build.
    It is hoped that in the near future Europe and the United States will not suffer the enviable fate of the USSR, then we'll see!
  12. ava09
    ava09 27 March 2016 07: 44
    +11
    I read the comments, once again I was amazed ... One finds out the principles of the selection of government bureaucrats, the other blames Dvorkovich that the prices for food "slammed" ... Guys, wake up! If an anti-state model of power and economy was built in RFiya, since 1991 the "boyars" fit into it very well and perform the function of destroying Russia not badly.
    1. Hammer
      Hammer 27 March 2016 11: 22
      -6
      how does the earth wear you? at least sometimes you go out, puppets. You are being fed manipulative nonsense, and you are glad to believe. Again, fairy tales about the people who live in spite of, not thanks to the state. Everything is done solely in order to parasitize on "Russins" and "Rus". Come on, tell us more about the world Jewish government, which sleeps and sees how to shit on normal Russian guys through the government-controlled one. While the garbage is in the head, the manipulators will always have their own bread.
      1. ava09
        ava09 27 March 2016 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: Hammer
        how does the earth carry you?

        Judging by the expression, a faithful Christian wrote.
        Quote: Hammer
        While in the head the garbage from the manipulators will always have their own bread.

        Have you ever tried to distinguish garbage from bread yourself? Chief Manipulator - SMRAD or the media, if you like, exist on whose money, and, accordingly, in whose interests they work? It is not worth the unicellular to hide behind such "deep" statements. An independent Russian State is possible only if a part of the "elite", which has already realized that in the West they are not expected, even with their capital, prevails over the oligarchs - the conquistadors. And then, the question immediately arises: What will happen to social justice? After all, only with the support of the people will they be able to withstand. And while our people do not understand that it is impossible to "think" as an individual with the speaking nickname "Hammer", nothing good can be expected, unfortunately ...
        P.S. I expressed this regardless of your statements on world government, this is a separate multilateral topic.
      2. SERGEII
        SERGEII 29 March 2016 07: 54
        0
        So you think that we all see not what we see? Only you have seen the root. Whose will you be? And we have no judicial arbitrariness, there is no snickering top, and all declarations are honest and clean. Our boyars are rightly afraid of a change of power. They will have Kirdyk. They have nowhere to go. And everything stolen will remain here. The children may be dumped somewhere, but they will not be as brilliant as here. And pfff .... No money, no dad, no power. And what's a shame - there is no mind either. The laws that were invented, even these, do not work. There are a bunch of examples. Golikova did not answer for the tomographs. They planted to reign in the Accounts Chamber. The roulette prosecutors are completely out of business, only in height. "Mouthpiece of Truth" Markin lied to the people, yap, about Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. It’s not my fault. In that case, let the markin answer, but no. General NA to him. And you're talking about some kind of Jewish conspiracy. Go near the trough too?
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 March 2016 08: 46
    +4
    The article is very "on topic". PD-14 has already taken place, and this is the very engine that will be able to revive both the Il 96 and the MS-21. IMHO, this is exactly the goal that the manufacturers of this engine pursued.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 March 2016 10: 43
      -2
      They wanted to produce the IL 96 for the military, in the form of a tanker and an air command post, and for BTA it would also be useful as a transport operator, but in civil aviation it has many competitors, now new promising projects are being developed, one of them is the Frigate Ecojet
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 27 March 2016 15: 11
        +2
        the production of the il-96 is almost piecemeal, the tankers will soon be based on the il-96, which will be after the start of production of engines based on the PD-14, we will see that the plant has retained the competence of the full technological chain of aircraft production, not thanks to, but in spite of, including and wide-bodied machines, the IL-112 is almost ready, which if it were not for the stooltkin would have already flown, so you won't wait, but about the creativity of the "space academician" from the NGO and the doctor of boltology from the USA, please be more critical, he is not paid for that so that he cares for Russian science and industry.
  14. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 27 March 2016 10: 02
    +3
    A sad story ... like all the stories of betraying the interests of their Country ...
  15. berezinalexander
    berezinalexander 27 March 2016 10: 03
    +3
    The IL-96 is a good aircraft, but well-known events prevented its formation. It is necessary to restore its production with new engines based on pd-14 and new avionics, preferably on the basis of domestic components. For foreign customers, provide for the installation of foreign units.
  16. sevtrash
    sevtrash 27 March 2016 10: 08
    +3
    The superjet shows how great difficulties are in selling goods. But the plane is already there, it has been created, and it is not possible to advance it to profit.
    All companies count money, without it they will collapse, a simple airplane is equivalent to a loss, there should be a service of the same level as Boeing and Airbus, when repair / replacement / delivery is carried out in hours. One of the members of the forum talked about Tu214 downtime due to inadequate service.
    Creating a plane is not enough, although this in itself is a super task. A service system is needed with a minimum - at the level of world standards - time frames.

    NB il86 from the 80s in the series.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 27 March 2016 15: 23
      +2
      Aeroflot got rid of the AN-148, under the pretext of insufficient monthly flight as a result of equipment failures, now these same aircraft (returned) fly in the Far East, including China and demonstrate a very good flying time, much more than in Aeroflot and the ability to work from the runway of poor quality, and now they are being collected only for the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Defense, in the amount of five times less than originally planned
  17. berezinalexander
    berezinalexander 27 March 2016 10: 11
    0
    The problem of Soviet civil aircraft is the lower efficiency of their engines compared to competitors. For airline drivers, fuel economy and service are much more important than the price of a new aircraft and parts for it. To create an airplane without economical engines is to throw money away. This does not apply to aircraft for public services. It would be nice to set up production of spare parts for foreign airliners, as the Iranians did to maintain their F-14s.
  18. asiat_61
    asiat_61 27 March 2016 10: 26
    +2
    There was such an air marshal, Shaposhnikov, the enemy was still the same. In the early 90s, he crashed our aircraft industry. He pushed western scrap metal into our market. And the engines, they say, are noisy and they consume a lot of fuel, so we’ll replace the old ones with Western ones.
  19. varov14
    varov14 27 March 2016 10: 51
    +1
    Gentlemen, look at today's broadcast of Mikhalkov and immediately all questions will disappear. Mikhalkov, I personally am surprised, just did not expect, apparently everything really got tired of everyone.
  20. serverny
    serverny 27 March 2016 10: 58
    +3
    Quote: Alekseev
    We simply do not produce such engines.

    It would be more correct to say "they refuse to produce", since the NK-93 was ready for a long time. But the project was buried by the decision of the same people who received their kickbacks for orders of hundreds of used Boeing and Airbus. The finished engine was removed from the final stage of testing and forgotten with the words "there is no aircraft for it", just as the Il-s were buried with the words "there is no engine for them".
  21. dvg1959
    dvg1959 27 March 2016 11: 42
    0
    Kasyanov managed to harm everywhere, a unique type. It is surprising why he has not yet been brought to justice for his "art".
    At one time, I flew a lot on Aeroflot planes, as a passenger, including the IL-86. Recently flew on Voeing. In my opinion, the IL-86 is much more comfortable than the Boeing, this also applies to other aircraft of the Soviet period.
  22. senima56
    senima56 27 March 2016 13: 08
    +1
    The fact that: "The leaders of our industry are not specialists in the area they supervise" is still half the trouble! It's worse that they climbed into the "leaders" for the sake of personal enrichment! And they didn't care about the interests of the Motherland! The main thing is to grab anyone (! !!) way, while at the top! And if suddenly (!!! ???) they begin to be taken for "dark deeds", they immediately retire to the Bahamas, Seychelles, London, etc. to their cottages "acquired by the overwhelming labor "!
  23. Victor1
    Victor1 27 March 2016 14: 02
    0
    So it seems that recently information about plans to resume the production of IL96 has flown by, you see, not everything is lost.
  24. Redman
    Redman 27 March 2016 14: 13
    +1
    Today's "Besogon" Mikhalkov should be watched by EVERYONE! There are answers to many questions.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 March 2016 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: Redman
      Today's "Besogon" Mikhalkov should be watched by EVERYONE! There are answers to many questions.


      Many people know how to philosophize. But with real affairs, it’s not very good.
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 March 2016 14: 30
    0
    "This story began in 1990." .....
    Well, let’s say back in 1985 I flew on an IL-86 from Leningrad to Moscow. It seems that the time machine has not yet been invented, or does the author know something that we don’t know?
    1. senima56
      senima56 27 March 2016 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      "This story began in 1990." .....
      Well, let’s say back in 1985 I flew on an IL-86 from Leningrad to Moscow. It seems that the time machine has not yet been invented, or does the author know something that we don’t know?

      When exactly IL-86 made its first flight I will not judge, but I myself flew it for the first time in the spring of 1983 from Moscow to Simferopol.
  26. iouris
    iouris 27 March 2016 14: 44
    +1
    I think one of the reasons was a systemic problem, which is associated with the inconsistency of the entire system of the USSR aviation industry with market conditions. After 1991, the aviation industry lost funding and government support, and the market was donated to Airbus.
    By that time, the concept of integrated logistics support (ILS) won in aviation, which the design bureau did not have the opportunity to implement.
    ILP is a complex of organizational and technical procedures aimed at minimizing the labor, time and financial costs of operators and maintaining the readiness characteristics of equipment at a given level throughout the life cycle.
    IAC is not independent of the Western (USA) conformity assessment system. Last year, they only tried to revoke the certificate from the 737s.
    I think that any attempt to launch a civil aircraft created in the Russian Federation will encounter a refusal to confirm compliance with airworthiness standards into the series. And without a "piece of paper" the aircraft will not be in demand either on the domestic or on the global market.
    To resolve this problem, SSJ was purchased.
    Despite all the problems, the moment to start production has come.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 March 2016 15: 33
      0
      The systemic problem consists in Gorbachev’s betrayal, in the absence of determination among other members of the Politburo to stop the presumptuous Secretary General, and then in an attempt to seize popular wealth. Who will defend our aviation industry there?
  27. VB
    VB 27 March 2016 15: 47
    +8
    Do not blame everything on Kasyanov and Khristenko. The person who ruined the project and personally responsible for this is the irreplaceable guarantor of the robbery of the country V.V. Putin The president is responsible for everything. “There is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the face is crooked.” N.V. Gogol
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 March 2016 16: 07
      +1
      Why irreplaceable? And 15 years of collapse from 1985-2000. do not play a role?
  28. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 27 March 2016 17: 10
    +1
    The problem is that the IL-96, the 205TU, that our industry as a whole has the same liberalists are collaborators who are not fighting for the domestic manufacturer but for the retreating western. And of course there will be no quality in privatized enterprises with incomprehensible interested owners.
    What can be the future of domestic aviation if DAM itself has long publicly condemned it publicly!
  29. Olegi1
    Olegi1 27 March 2016 18: 27
    +7
    IL-96 is a cool aircraft. He flew on it Moscow - Los Angeles back in '96, 12.5 hours.

    I am familiar with the story described by the author. The fact is that my great friend and colleague took part in the project on the part of the Scientific Research Institute of JSC, in terms of installing Rockwell Collins equipment on board. A lot of what he told. And how I traveled to Voronezh, and how I managed a team of 500 people, and how it all ended ... I’ll ask him to write his article, in the first person, I don’t presume to retell it myself, I’ll mix something up.
  30. TOR2
    TOR2 27 March 2016 18: 30
    +3
    On July 30, 2015, the IAC, of ​​course, again for a fee, certified the A-340 aircraft of the Airbus Industry company, which is a direct analogue of the IL-96M

    There is such an interesting thing called anti-dumping duty. As an example, such a duty was applied to our foil exporting companies. If they did not apply this duty, our export would put on the brink of ruin their manufacturers. Actually, this can work in the opposite direction, there would be a desire.
    1. Mikhail Harichev
      Mikhail Harichev 27 March 2016 19: 28
      +1
      I was lucky to fly the IL-86! Cool plane, some kind of "soft", comfortable, powerful and reliable! And, not because I come from the USSR, but because later I flew in Boeing, Airbus, even Bombardier ... Homeland should be like this plane! Do not think that I am a pilot, a simple passenger, with experience ... hi The Il-86 has been mass-produced since 1979 ... or "this story began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il was launched onto the airways of the Soviet Union. -86 "..?! Is it like a lapse in time, or in the education of the author of the article ?!
      fellow lol good
  31. akudr48
    akudr48 27 March 2016 18: 56
    +1
    The fate of the IL-96 and the entire domestic aviation industry (and not only the aircraft) is the result of the work of a close-knit friendly team from the Party of crooks and thieves.

    Starting from the very top of this party - all crooks and thieves. Or at best-crooks + idiots in power and money.

    Now there, upstairs, their youth, children are registered, and the fathers gradually overtake power and property to them. Well, there is no one else to rule in Russia, except for crooks and thieves, party and without.

    And if anyone doubts, they will quickly explain to him who is the boss in the house, on talk shows or where else ...
  32. Mikhail Harichev
    Mikhail Harichev 27 March 2016 19: 26
    0
    Quote: Blondy
    Great article, piece. It can be seen that the author, as rarely does anyone, owns the material, the breadth of the problem causes respect, it is a pity that it is impossible to put more than one plus.
    Terpil-96
    the heading (as they say today) is just tin.

    fellow lol
  33. Amper
    Amper 27 March 2016 20: 52
    +6
    What happened and when, with this Great Country?
    Who is he ENEMY? Who!!!?? Penetrated into all spheres of life SUPERPOWER !?
    Yes, it’s scary to think ....- THIS IS WE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Unrequited, brainless, all-forgiving, lazy, illiterate, fuck ... devouring the future of their children and grandchildren ...
    Where are you Great Russia?
    Is your time over?
    (Without Ponte only, like we all through hu .... throw. Living examples .. pzhsta, kent.)
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 28 March 2016 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: Amper
      Yes, it’s scary to think ....- THIS IS WE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Definitely +++! We are looking for everything on the side, we do not look at ourselves! Correctly Gogol chose the epigraph to his immortal comedy "The Inspector General" - "There is no reason to blame the mirror if the face is crooked." Folk proverb.
  34. d-shvets
    d-shvets 28 March 2016 13: 01
    0
    Oh, these rulers ... the more they think about the homeland when they rule, the faster they fly to London to the owners. Oh, how Gorbachev was worried and worried about his homeland, he lives in London, he doesn’t even come to visit.
  35. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 28 March 2016 15: 05
    0
    What excuses we have not heard in 1990-1995. And not only the Soviet giants perished, but also all-all small aircraft. It is interesting that abroad small aircraft force to the fullest ... With regards to the airliners. Everything can be done if officials, including ministers, are not selected from among traitors and thieves. Or are there already no such in Russia?
  36. Just BB
    Just BB 29 March 2016 05: 45
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    [
    Absolutely so!
    And similar articles should be written by very competent comrades, and not so, just chat.
    Not the demand for IL-96 and, to a lesser extent, Tu-204 was explained not by machinations, but by the real lag of our industry. So the IL-96 with 4 engines, and not with two, like Boing or Aibas. We simply do not produce such engines. Reliability PS-90 in the 90s, too, could not boast. The weight of an empty aircraft, especially the Tu-204, is significantly higher than that of competitors carrying the same number of passengers.
    Perhaps, something could be corrected in this respect, but ...
    In the conditions of the collapse of the country this did not work.
    Only now is the large-scale modernization program for the civil aviation industry being completed. This is primarily the acquisition of technologies for the creation of PD-14 and the MS-21 project.
    May God grant these projects complete success.


    About 2 engines .... When you fly to a distance equivalent to 12-14 hours and knowing that more than half of the way is above the water, then when you approach an aircraft with two engines, it starts to rumble in your stomach. By the way, a recent incident with our air carrier with an engine in the Dominican Republic.

    And about the PS-90 in the 90s - no need! Even then, he was superior to competitors. But the devastation and actions of P & W on the Perm Motors greatly influenced the appearance of engines on domestic aircraft.

    Here are just hopes that the shoemaker will start baking pies, and vice versa, is somehow doubtful, although for the "cut" the very thing!
    It is difficult to create something new without a "school" - "And experience son of mistakes difficult ... "
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 29 March 2016 10: 00
      0
      about P & W, thanks, it was the "timely" sale to a competitor that left our aviation for many years without its own engines in this segment, and in other areas there are the same manipulations, for example Siemens ...
    2. exo
      exo 29 March 2016 16: 34
      0
      PS-90, NEVER ANYTHING ANYONE. And if not for PW, by the way, would have remained the same misery. Do you know the problem of an inter-shaft bearing on Solovyov’s engines? Because of which, more than one plane died? So, it was the Americans who decided it on the PS-90.
      On the topic of PS, read an interview with designer Il, Novozhilov.
    3. exo
      exo April 1 2016 12: 24
      0
      It’s important not the number of engines, but their reliability. And then, in case of failure, how many aircraft can continue flying. Once again I repeat that without the PW technology, the PS-90 was not just a bad, but also a very unsafe engine. This is the case when we really helped a lot. But that also prevented our sales of the Tu-204 to Iran.
  37. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 29 March 2016 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: senima56
    The fact that: "The leaders of our industry are not specialists in the area they supervise" is still half the trouble! It's worse that they climbed into the "leaders" for the sake of personal enrichment! And they didn't care about the interests of the Motherland! The main thing is to grab anyone (! !!) way, while at the top! And if suddenly (!!! ???) they begin to be taken for "dark deeds", they immediately retire to the Bahamas, Seychelles, London, etc. to their cottages "acquired by the overwhelming labor "!

    Very many did not think about it at the last election and the same before last. Maybe even this fall, many will think where to put a tick on a piece of paper before putting it in an urn. And perhaps with this act we will all raise our domestic airliners made in Russia by the hands of Russian workers.
  38. T62
    T62 29 March 2016 13: 00
    0
    This story began in 1990, when the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft Il-86 entered the airways of the Soviet Union.


    The first sentence was enough not to read further. Dear authors, be attentive to numbers and dates. It is already getting scary to read because of the "jambs" in almost every article. After all, all the numbers are not difficult to check in any readily available source. Because of such blunders, mistrust of all the articles on the site begins to form and you have to double-check the information in other sources.
  39. complete zero
    complete zero 29 March 2016 14: 11
    +1
    Quote: yuriy55
    An indelible impression of flights on the IL-86 flight "Moscow-Simferopol". With regret I compare similar flights on Tu-134, 154 ...
    Only for this plane had to fight ...

    it was necessary to fight FOR the entire aviation industry, including Tupolev, Yakovlev Design Bureau ... about 86 (only with respect) as in other matters and about 18 and 62
  40. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 29 March 2016 14: 16
    0
    IL-86 began flying in 1980, as many have already noted here, and not in the 90th. Personally, I did not find in Appendix 13 to the Chicago Convention a ban on both certification and investigation. It is long. At what point is this prohibition? Probably you can continue to investigate this article and identify nonsense.
  41. exo
    exo 29 March 2016 15: 48
    0
    And no one says that the Ilyushin Design Bureau itself refused to conduct IL-86 remotorization, because they give ranks and awards only for a new plane? And so it pushed IL-96. PS-90 engines, this is complete misery. Compared to the GE C 6-80, which is installed on the Boeing 767/300. I had to deal with the PS and GE. The time of four-engine passenger liners, even then started to leave.
    By the way, the Tu-204 plane was drowned by the Tupolev Design Bureau with associates. There was a complete reluctance to eliminate jambs on aircraft and go to meet the operator.
    So that not everything that happened in our aviation conspiracy.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 30 March 2016 13: 19
      0
      It seems that they did not begin to remotorize because the wings are too low, and the new engines, which are usually larger in diameter, would be too close to the ground and could suck something. I understand that yesterday I probably read it on Wikipedia. Yes, and new technologies allowed us to do something else, not only motor., Is also better.
      Do you know why Russian engines (all that I saw) look like a pipe at the rear, and Western engines at the back like a cone? At least when you see the plane in the parking lot. Weird! As if there was some other technology that ours had not yet mastered.
      1. exo
        exo 30 March 2016 21: 29
        0
        Simply, there are two types of turbojet engines: with the mixing of flows from the hot circuit with cold air from the fan stage. This is what you see on the IL-86, Tu-204, Tu-154. And without mixing them. This is already on many foreign cars. But, also not at all. Each scheme has its pros and cons.
  42. bk316
    bk316 29 March 2016 19: 03
    +2
    I am a passenger, but I flew a lot on anything.
    And at 86 and at 96.
    Well, I really liked 86, so for me I would fly on it now (well, maybe a bit noisy in the cabin).
    96 left a strange impression, flew to Heathrow with his son, the landing was so sharp that the half-salon decided that we were falling, when landing, the blow was generally remembered. I flew back on it - it’s normal.
    1. exo
      exo 29 March 2016 22: 43
      0
      A blow is more likely a crew skill. Or, unlike Western cars, it can’t get into fully automatic mode. They also get on a machine, provided, of course, that the airport has the appropriate equipment. Salons 86 and 96, really- very good. But engines are not a masterpiece. So far, in Russia, a decent engine has not been created for transport and passenger liners. Let's see what PD-14 is. There is hope.
    2. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 30 March 2016 13: 35
      0
      Here everyone praises the 86th. I did not fly it. But a long time ago (as a child) I read that he has a very gentle climb path, which is why the controllers of foreign airports had to almost lay and clear a separate corridor for him to take off. Wikipedia says that the IL-86 has a small power reserve. Dangerously! But probably the passengers are pleased that after takeoff the plane does not make somersaults, like the modern Western ones, which are not entirely pleasant, but soars over the terrain for a long time. You can look at familiar places for the last time ...
      But the fact that you can get out without airfield stairs is certainly super, especially if you sit in Siberia or in remote places not affected by civilization, for example, a forced one.
  43. alex_V15
    alex_V15 30 March 2016 04: 14
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    I had a chance to fly on IL-86 from Leningrad to Simferopol. Then, we children, who considered the good Tu-154 to be a full-fledged large airliner, was struck by the IL-86. Despite my age, I was very well-read and knew not only about IL-86, but also about the developing IL-96 and Tu-204.
    And therefore, I think that this fight in the departments was real wrecking.
  44. HELIX
    HELIX 18 June 2016 16: 22
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    Great unit! Maybe not all friends are lost? At least in our companies we will see