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Military base on the moon (cosmic prospects of pneumatic electric weapons)

Military base on the moon (cosmic prospects of pneumatic electric weapons)

The first projects to create permanent bases on the moon were developed in the USSR and the USA back in the 1960s. To implement such projects requires tremendous resources and efforts. At present, there are no weighty arguments in favor of a peaceful lunar base (questions of science and prestige are not, given the enormous costs that do not have adequate returns). Arguments about the economic value of the lunar base are unfounded, and the extraction of helium - 3 is not of interest so far (due to the lack of industrial fusion reactors).

Thus, the main obstacle is the practical uselessness of projects for the peaceful exploration of the moon (that is, it is possible, but not necessary to build a lunar base). Currently, the main incentive may be exclusively military issues. The most obvious is the possibility of using the moon as a location for nuclear missiles. However, the combat use of lunar-based nuclear missiles is justified only in the context of a global military conflict (which may not take place in the foreseeable future). In addition, there are international agreements on the non-nuclear status of outer space (the violation of which may do the country more harm than good).

In this regard, we consider the concept of a lunar base, designed to accommodate non-nuclear weapons (in particular, artillery systems). The use of these systems is possible in the conduct of hostilities of any intensity and scale. The advantage of the location of such systems on the moon is the possibility of exposure to any point on Earth in the shortest possible time. For this, it will not be necessary to solve the complex tasks of moving major military forces and weapons systems to the conflict zone (which is not always possible for a long time).

The average distance between the centers of the Moon and the Earth is ~ 384 thousand. Km. The second cosmic velocity for the moon is ~ 2400 m / s. At a distance of ~ 38 thousand km from the center of the moon (in the direction of the Earth), the lunar and terrestrial forces balance each other. When starting from the surface of the moon, the achievement of this point (with balanced forces) is possible at an initial speed of ~ 2280 m / s. Thus, if the moon cannon provides acceleration of the projectile to the required initial speed (in the direction of the Earth), then the projectile will fall to the Earth.

By increasing the mass of the powder charge, the aforementioned initial projectile velocity cannot be provided. The way out is to use micro-jet engines to increase the speed of the projectile (after the projectile leaves the barrel). Consider this possibility on the example of experimental tank guns 50L "Vityaz"

This 125 mm caliber gun provides the projectile with an 7 kg barrel weight, the initial speed of 2030 m / s. When pure hydrogen peroxide is used as a single-component rocket fuel (specific impulse ~ 150 s), the mass of fuel required for the operation of a micro-jet engine will be ~ 1,1 kg (~ 16% of the projectile’s barrel mass). As a result of the work of the micro-jet engine, the velocity of the projectile will increase to ~ 2280 m / s, and the projectile will be able to overcome the lunar force of the moon (when this gun is placed on the moon).

Thus, in principle, classical artillery systems based on gunpowder can be used to arm the lunar base (provided that the projectiles are additionally accelerated by micro-jet engines). An effective means of delivery are also rockets. In our case, it is proposed to use pneumatic electric artillery systems.

For pneumoelectric artillery systems of the lunar base, it is proposed to use oxygen under pressure (or a mixture of oxygen with helium) as a propelling agent, and a chemical reaction between oxygen and aluminum as a source of thermal energy.

Pneumoelectric artillery systems are capable of providing a very high initial velocity of the projectile. In addition, the production of some components (for example, pneumoelectric propellant charges) can be organized on the lunar base with the least effort. The lunar soil has all the necessary elements for this (in some samples the oxygen content reaches 44%, aluminum 13%). Artillery systems are much cheaper than rockets, i.e., much easier to manufacture (which simplifies the task of organizing this production on the moon).

In the powder and pneumatic electric gun, the absolute value of the maximum pressure can have approximately the same values ​​(because limited by the strength of the barrel). In the powder gun after the combustion of the powder charge, the process of expanding the powder gases continues without heat exchange (adiabatic process). In the pneumoelectric gun (after the combustion of the aluminum fuel element) a mixture of gaseous oxygen and aluminum oxide particles (heated to a high temperature) is formed. Therefore, the process of expanding oxygen will no longer be adiabatic (since heat is transferred from aluminum oxide particles). As a result of a slow decrease in the temperature of oxygen, its pressure at the muzzle will be greater (with the same degree of expansion as powder gases), and the initial velocity of the projectile is higher. Thus, the internal ballistics of pneumoelectric weapons significantly different from the internal ballistics of classic firearms.

It is necessary to emphasize the fact that for the defeat of targets on Earth it is not necessary to use artillery systems of super-large caliber. The pneumatic electric gun can have the following parameters: barrel length 6 m, caliber 125 mm, barrel weight of the projectile 7 kg, initial projectile speed ~ 2400 m / s. After passing through the critical point (with balanced forces of force), the velocity of the projectile will increase due to gravity and, in the absence of the atmosphere, could reach ~ 11000 m / s. Loss on aerodynamic air resistance can be estimated at ~ 3000 m / s (when moving along a ballistic trajectory vertical to the surface of the Earth). As a result, when falling to the Earth, the velocity of the projectile can be ~ 8000 m / s.

The projectile may consist of a heavy core (5 kg) and a light non-detachable body (2 kg). The shell of the projectile ensures the retention of the core in the barrel and serves as a kind of piston, taking gas pressure when fired and ensuring the acceleration of the entire projectile. The shell of the projectile also protects the core from burning (after the projectile performs the Moon – Earth flight and enters the atmosphere). As the projectile body is heated, it is made of heat-shielding materials, which leads to a decrease in the diameter of the projectile and a decrease in the aerodynamic resistance of atmospheric air.

A well-streamlined projectile forms a relatively weak shock wave reflecting ~ 50% thermal energy into the atmosphere. If we consider that the mass (and speed) of the projectile decreases from 7 kg (~ 11 km / s) to 5 kg (~ 8 km / s), the total amount of heat released will be ~ 200 MJ. Thus, half of the heat (~ 100 MJ) must be "blocked" with the help of a heat-shielding shell of the projectile, in which the processes of melting, evaporation, sublimation and chemical reactions take place. Materials for the manufacture of the body of the projectile can be fiberglass, other plastics based on organic (or silicone) binders, carbon compositions, porous metals with bound (not hermetic) cells, etc.

To characterize heat-shielding materials, the concept of effective enthalpy is used (the amount of heat that can be “blocked” when a unit of mass of a coating is destroyed). In our case, the mass of the heat shield (projectile body) is 2 kg, the amount of "blocked" heat ~ 100 MJ. The effective enthalpy of the materials from which it is necessary to manufacture the shell of the projectile should be ~ 50 MJ / kg (this level of thermal protection can be achieved with the help of existing materials).

At a speed of ~ 8 km / s, the kinetic energy of a projectile with a mass of 5 kg will be ~ 160 MJ. This energy is comparable to the kinetic energy of the projectiles of the main caliber (406 mm) of Iowa type battleships (at the time of the hit of these large-caliber projectiles at the target). The armor penetration capability of the main caliber of an Iowa type battleship is only ~ 400 mm of armor. For comparison, we note that the armor penetration capability of a high-speed tank fires with a mass of 5 kg is ~ 600 mm of armor. The armor penetration of a lunar shell will be even greater, since its speed (~ 8 km / s) is already comparable to the speed of a cumulative jet (~ 10 km / s).

Given the excessive armor penetration, for the manufacture of a lunar shell, you can use light alloys, such as aluminum. If necessary, heavy metals (tungsten, uranium, etc.) can be used. An additional effect can be achieved in the case of manufacturing a projectile from enriched uranium metal (after being hit by such a projectile, the ship can be decommissioned as a result of strong radioactive contamination from the explosion products).

In the process of hitting a target during a kinetic explosion, the projectile can completely go into a fine state or even evaporate (in the extreme case). With the kinetic energy of the projectile ~ 160 MJ, this will require only ~ 53 MJ of heat (specific heat of evaporation of aluminum ~ 10,5 MJ / kg). The products of a kinetic explosion can enter into a chemical reaction with the oxygen of the air (enhancing the armor ‑ action of the projectile). With the specific heat of combustion of aluminum ~ 31 MJ / kg, the instantaneous release of thermal energy as a result of a chemical reaction can reach ~ 155 MJ (without taking into account the thermal energy of combustion of metal microparticles of destroyed armor and ship structures). The total heat energy of the explosion of the projectile can be ~ 315 MJ (which is equivalent to the thermal energy of the explosion ~ 75 kg of TNT). Note that the high-explosive projectile of the main caliber (406 mm) of the Iowa type battleship contains only ~ 70 kg of explosive.

Thus, the 125-mm lunar cannon projectile exceeds the armor-piercing projectile of the 406-mm caliber by armor penetration, and is comparable to the high-explosive projectile of the 406-mm caliber in explosive action. This suggests that with the help of shells fired from the moon cannon, it is possible to destroy a military or transport ship of any class (including a heavy attack aircraft carrier). Moon-based artillery systems can be used as anti-satellite weapons. Possible targets are ground infrastructure, military and production facilities, etc. If the projectile's mass is insufficient to destroy any targets, then this difficulty can be overcome with the help of artillery systems of a larger caliber.

In modern 125 caliber guns, the mass of the powder propellant charge does not exceed 10 kg. Pressure is determined by the temperature and concentration of gas molecules. The molecular mass of oxygen is 16 g / mol, and the average molecular mass of powder gases is ~ 30 g / mol. Thus, in the first approximation, the amount of oxygen can be ~ 5 kg (for use as a propellant).

The velocity of the expanding gases is approximately equal to the velocity of the projectile. When firing modern cannons with high-speed armor-piercing piercing shells, the kinetic energy of the projectile and the kinetic energy of the powder gases in the total can exceed 70% of the initial energy of the burning powder charge.

With this in mind, it is possible to approximately estimate the amount of energy required to accelerate the projectile (and the combustion products of a pneumoelectric propellant charge) to a speed of ~ 2400 m / s (the average velocity of oxygen molecules is significantly higher than the average velocity of powder gas molecules). This amount of energy will be ~ 65 MJ and can be obtained by burning ~ 2,1 kg of aluminum (with the participation of ~ 1,9 kg of oxygen). Thus, the total mass of a pneumoelectric propellant charge can be ~ 9 kg (of which ~ 2,1 kg aluminum and ~ 6,9 kg oxygen). With a pressure of compressed oxygen ~ 500 atmospheres, its volume will be ~ 10,5 liters.

Preparation for the shot is as follows. Through the breech into the oxygen chamber is inserted projectile. A burning element is placed between the rear of the projectile and the shutter. The shutter closes, and then oxygen is supplied to the oxygen chamber from the high-pressure tank (to prevent the oxygen temperature from rising as a result of its compression).

The oxygen chamber is an extension in the breech (in the form of a sphere). The sphere has a diameter of ~ 0,3 m. Its volume is ~ 14,1 liters. After loading the cannon with a projectile, the volume of the oxygen chamber is reduced to ~ 10,5 liters. The oxygen chamber is part of the trunk and has an entrance (from the breech side) and an exit (in the direction of the muzzle). The length (diameter) of the oxygen chamber is less than the length of the projectile. Therefore, in preparation for the shot, the projectile simultaneously blocks the inlet and outlet openings (thereby sealing the oxygen chamber). Thus, the oxygen pressure acts on the side surfaces of the projectile (perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the projectile).

The diameter of the inlet and outlet holes coincides with the diameter of the projectile. With a gap width between the body of the projectile and the surface of the barrel 0,1 mm (the slot area will be 0,4 cm ²). The breech block of the barrel is additionally blocked by a bolt, so the main leakage occurs in the direction of the muzzle hole of the gun barrel. At the beginning of the gap, the velocity of the oxygen flow does not exceed the speed of sound (~ 330 m / s at 30 ° C). Thus, the maximum possible level of oxygen leakage will be 190 helium servings (~ 1,3 kg each). If the barrel survivability is less than 200 shots, the delivery of helium from the Earth (and then using it as one of the components of a pneumoelectric propellant charge) is economically justified. In the distant future, helium-4 may be produced on the Moon as a by-product (when extracting the potential fuel of the future thermonuclear energy of helium-3).

When delivering helium from the Earth, the use of alloys based on noble metals does not lose its meaning. In the event of a disruption in the supply from the Earth, the supply of helium may end and it will be necessary to return to the use of pure oxygen (obtained from the lunar soil). In addition, under no circumstances will aluminum have time to burn instantly, and some of the oxygen will come into contact with the inner surface of the gun barrel (even in the case of using a gas mixture of oxygen with helium). Therefore, in any case, there remains a need to use chemically inactive alloys (in particular, based on noble metals).

The time of flight of the projectile is several tens of hours (this time can vary in very wide limits, depending on the initial velocity of the projectile). In this regard, the concept of using a lunar gun provides for the start of firing even before the start of the proposed military operation. If during the approach of the projectile to the Earth, the need to destroy any target remains, the projectile is aimed at this target. If during the flight of the projectile it is decided that it is inexpedient to destroy targets, the projectile can be brought to the point where it will not cause harm. In the case of the start of active hostilities, firing will be carried out systematically (at short intervals), and the projectiles will be aimed at the targets hit as the projectiles approach the Earth.

At the stage of the Moon-Earth flight, projectiles can be aimed at a target using micro-jet engines. Given the long flight time of the projectile, micro-jet engines of the guidance system can have extremely low thrust and low specific impulse. At the atmospheric part of the flight, the projectile can be stabilized using aerodynamic surfaces by rotating the projectile body or using a gyroscope inside the projectile.

On spacecraft, as a rule, micro-jet engines operating on compressed gas are used. In our case, the use of compressed gas will lead to an increase in the size of the projectile, which will increase the aerodynamic resistance of air in the atmospheric flight phase. Therefore, it is advisable to use micro-reactive engines operating on either a single-component fuel (for example, hydrogen peroxide) or on a two-component, self-igniting fuel (for example, dimethylhydrazine and nitric acid). The inclusion of micro-jet engines is carried out by a special signal from an internal or external control system.

The significance of the goal should justify the use of lunar-based weapons systems on it. In addition, the projectile has a small size, great speed, when passing through the atmosphere around the projectile a cloud of plasma is formed, etc. All these factors complicate the creation of self-guided projectiles that work on the principle of “fired and forgotten”. Probably the best option is external control of the projectile, its guidance to the target on the space segment of the flight trajectory and the passage of the atmosphere by the projectile along a ballistic trajectory (if possible, vertical to the surface of the Earth).

Most of the atmospheric air (~ 65%) is concentrated in the near-surface layer of the atmosphere ~ 10 km thick. The duration of the passage of the projectile of this layer will be ~ 1 with. In order to deviate from the target on 1 m, a force must act in the lateral direction on the projectile, providing acceleration ~ 0,2 g. Given the large weight and small size of the projectile, any possible movement of the masses of atmospheric air is not able to significantly change the trajectory of the projectile.

According to our concept, lunar weapons systems can be used against an adversary who does not have the technical capabilities of early detection and interception. Therefore, one of the possible options for controlling the flight path is placing radio beacons on the shells. Using a radio signal, the coordinates and velocity of the projectile are determined, and by transmitting the appropriate control signals to micro-jet engines, the projectile’s flight path is corrected and aimed at the target.

In the case of the use of lunar-based artillery systems against an adversary with appropriate technical capabilities for early detection and interception of shells, it is necessary to additionally use false targets (which are also supplied with radio beacons). These beacons operate on a predetermined special program (giving signals at a certain time, changing the frequency and power of signals, etc.). Thus, the enemy will not be able to distinguish a false target from an attacking projectile due to the mere presence of a working beacon.

One of the key areas of application of moon-based artillery systems may be to support the actions of its naval fleet. The Navy solves the following classic tasks: the fight against the enemy’s naval forces, the disruption of the enemy’s sea lanes, the protection of its sea lanes, the defense of its coast from the sea, the delivery of attacks and the invasion of enemy territory from the sea, etc.

Ships are a good target for striking kinetic ammunition from space. To determine the probability of hitting a target, the concept of a circular probable deviation is used (the radius of a circle delineated around the aiming point, which 50% of shells are supposed to fall into). The width of the deck of the ship can have the following characteristic values: frigate ~ 15 m, destroyer ~ 19 m, heavy strike aircraft carrier ~ 41 m, universal landing ship ~ 43 m. Supertanker ~ 69 m. The length of the ship hull can be ignored, because its value is an order of magnitude greater than the magnitude of the circular probable deviation.

Assume that the roundabout probable deflection of the projectile is ~ 15 m. Then the probability of hitting a single projectile into the ship will be as follows: frigate ~ 0,4, destroyer ~ 0,5, heavy attack aircraft carrier ~ 0,9, universal landing ship ~ 0,9, supertanker ~ 1. Lunar-based artillery systems are able to provide invaluable support to the actions of their navy (by destroying enemy ships with a large number of shells anywhere in the world’s oceans). This circumstance may be the key to conquering global strategic dominance at sea.

In the event of a major military conflict, the enemy may attempt to destroy the lunar base. Possibilities for the delivery of military cargo to the moon are limited (therefore, the main option is to use nuclear warheads). Since the Moon does not possess an atmosphere, there is no such damaging factor of a nuclear explosion as an air shock wave. Penetrating radiation is ineffective, because On the lunar base protection against solar and space radiation is provided. Light emission is also inefficient due to the absence of the atmosphere and combustible materials. Thus, the lunar base can be destroyed only by a direct hit of a nuclear charge (with its subsequent explosion).

The passive protection option provides for placing the lunar base on the surface or below the lunar surface in several modules or buildings (distant from each other for a long distance and stable against oscillations of the lunar surface), taking camouflage measures, creating false targets, etc. The active defense option provides for a preventive attack on the enemy’s launch complexes, the destruction of the missiles at the start, during the flight to the lunar base (and these tasks can be solved using lunar-based artillery systems), etc.

Thus, from our point of view, the solution of military tasks is currently the only real opportunity for the creation and development of a lunar base. The main source of funding may be the military budget. In parallel, lunar base will be used for research in planetology, astronomy, cosmology, space biology, materials science, and other disciplines. Accordingly, some of the funding can be carried out in the framework of the development programs of these scientific and technical disciplines.

The lack of atmosphere and low gravity allows you to build on the lunar surface of the observatory, equipped with optical and radio telescopes. Maintenance and modernization of the lunar observatory is much easier than orbital. Such an observatory will allow you to explore remote areas of the universe. In addition, its tools can be used to study and monitor the Earth and near-Earth space (to obtain intelligence information, support military operations, control the trajectories of projectiles, etc.).

Thus, the presence of a base on the moon will allow it to deploy high-precision non-nuclear weapons systems that can actually be used in military conflicts of any scale (or even "anti-terrorist" operations). The use of such lunar-based systems as one of the means of warfare will significantly enhance the country's military potential. In addition, the creation and operation of the lunar base at the same time will allow us to intensively develop many scientific and technical directions, retain leadership in these areas and gain competitive advantage in the world due to this leadership.
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  1. ICT
    ICT 14 December 2011 07: 47 New
    some crap
  2. vadimus
    vadimus 14 December 2011 08: 31 New
    I propose to build cottages for lemon, Novodvorsk and other propindostana. Moon ruble.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 14 December 2011 09: 36 New
      I propose to build cottages for lemon, Novodvorsk and other propindostana. Moon ruble.

      The moon is not near, it’s better on uranium, neptune, pluton or on an asteroid belt - like each an asteroid ...
  3. Civil
    Civil 14 December 2011 11: 13 New
    Lunar-based artillery systems are able to provide invaluable support to the actions of their navy (by destroying enemy ships with a large number of shells anywhere in the world’s oceans). This may be the key to gaining global strategic dominance at sea.

    but if such a goal is achievable by the lunar complex, it is necessary to calculate the cost of construction and operation and compare with the cost of means of deterrence of the most probable enemy, that is, the lunar buzah against 5 attack aircraft carrier groups.
    1. urzul
      urzul 14 December 2011 15: 33 New
      some, with such a distance, it is with what anticipation it is necessary to shoot !!!! and even for dozens of hours to know where the goal will go. not complete
      1. Civil
        Civil 14 December 2011 18: 55 New
        what about rockets?
  4. Igor
    Igor 14 December 2011 14: 01 New
    Given the constant bombardment of the moon by meteorites, all these projects are a waste of money.
  5. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 14 December 2011 14: 49 New
    "The aerodynamic drag losses can be estimated at ~ 3000 m / s"

    And what is so much if, in your opinion, "A well-streamlined projectile forms a relatively weak shock wave"

    "when moving along a ballistic trajectory vertical to the surface of the Earth"

    Seriously ? That is, on the one hand, you accelerate the charge with the earth's gravitational field, and on the other, cancel things like
    rotation of the ice, rotation of the moon around the earth, etc. Read mechanics at the 1-2 level of the course.

    "Suppose the projectile's circular probable deflection is ~ 15 m"

    Yah? This is what, excuse my French, Male genital?
    QUO 15 meters for an uncontrollable projectile flying right from the moon?
    and men don’t even know, they bother with smart bombs, GPS guidance, etc.
    The Hindus, without outside help, could not make guidance for missiles at 5000 km from the KVO 100-200 meters.
    And you are from a cannon, an uncontrollable core, from the moon and on 15.

    The devil is hiding in details.
    1. urzul
      urzul 14 December 2011 15: 34 New
      Yes, in general, some kind of fantasy;))) not to mention the time of the projectile's approach to the target;)))
      1. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 14 December 2011 15: 40 New
        By the way, yes, the time from a shot to a defeat is more than a day. It’s not even a fantasy, it’s absenteeism at school
    2. fatalist
      fatalist 14 December 2011 15: 54 New
      >> QUO 15 meters for an uncontrollable projectile flying already from the moon?

      The article also says:
      At the stage of the Moon-Earth flight, projectile guidance on the target can be carried out using micro-jet engines.

      So still managed;)
      1. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 14 December 2011 16: 10 New
        the article says about 7kg projectile (5 kg per core and 2 per shell) Compression is not only micro-reactive engines, but also orientation sensors, brains for calculating, a radio for receiving data about the target’s position (which will change due to flying time)

        Are you going to give teams from the moon? Delay more than a second.!

        The use of micro-jet engines not only for overclocking is no longer 16% of the mass for fuel.
      2. Sasha36543
        Sasha36543 21 February 2012 01: 31 New
        The article explicitly refers to a guided projectile. And for some reason the ostrich taldychit about an unguided projectile.
        1. Space Odyssey
          Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 19: 48 New
          The easiest way is to dismiss criticism, catching on any formal inaccuracy of the critic. In approximately this manner, Podvysotsky fights off competent objections to his ambitious fantasies. The word "tyldychit" he would appreciate wink

          But essentially the respected Ostrich is absolutely right, and it would be worthwhile to carefully read his comments. For example, he writes to the point that ... from what ceiling did the author take a KVO of 15 meters? This is really important! Regardless of whether the Podvysotsky projectile has a control system or not. This is the style of this self-righteous pseudo-scientist - to suck out fundamentally important numerical data from a finger, and then litter the article with formally correct calculations on trifles, so that the reader gets the impression of a serious miscalculation of his next idea. An ordinary quack, in fact.
          1. sannino
            sannino 27 December 2016 02: 27 New
            wow, formal inaccuracy is like changing the “plus” to the “minus” in a mathematical formula and then defending a doctoral dissertation on the topology of multidimensional spaces using this formula. Was this why the poor Doctor of Sciences Space Odyssey in Volgograd
    3. slan
      slan 14 December 2011 20: 54 New
      Are you in all seriousness arguing with fools, or is the humor so refined?
      1. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 14 December 2011 21: 06 New
        Neither the first nor the second. It is most likely useless to argue with the author. My comments are more likely to prevent misinformation of that part of the audience that is poorly versed in the issue and may
        1. slan
          slan 14 December 2011 21: 47 New
          Yes, I actually understood it, I just didn’t very successfully express the idea that commenting on this article is Sisyphean labor. Normal and so everything is clear, but your opinion will not convince the fool because the author has more figures in the calculations and the flow of material at a height. The energy would be like geniuses so peacefully ..
          1. Space Odyssey
            Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 09: 55 New
            As for the peaceful Rusp - I agree. Here you just have to learn a bit.
        2. sannino
          sannino 27 December 2016 02: 21 New
          Straus_zloy clearly refers to the informed part of the audience. It is not clear just what place he looked at in letters if he criticizes an UNMANAGED shell. The article says: “At the Moon-Earth flight stage, projectiles can be guided by microreactive engines. Given the long flight time of the projectile, microreactive guidance systems can have extremely low traction and low specific impulse. In the atmospheric portion of the flight, projectile stabilization can carried out by means of aerodynamic surfaces by rotating the shell of the shell or by means of a gyroscope inside the shell ... lunar weapons systems can be used against an adversary who does not have the technical capabilities of early detection and interception.Therefore, one of the possible options for controlling the flight path is to place beacons on the shells ... Using the radio signal, the coordinates and velocity of the projectile are determined, and by transmitting the appropriate control signals to the micro-jet engines, the projectile’s flight path is corrected and aimed at the target. " All the same, the projectile is controlled. Straus_zloy is an expert expert.
    4. sannino
      sannino 27 December 2016 02: 10 New
      all the same, the article talks about the CONTROLLED projectile, you need to be a closer look at Straus
  6. dred
    dred 14 December 2011 17: 44 New
    I wonder when the rockets will be launched from the moon.
  7. ICT
    ICT 14 December 2011 19: 24 New
    repeat crap full
    1. sannino
      sannino 27 December 2016 02: 30 New
      Powerful argument.
      1. sannino
        sannino 27 December 2016 02: 35 New
        With such a level of argumentation, an expert with his opinion would also not have been repeated to me, and if not crap, then what? are we going to catch up again?
        1. ICT
          ICT 27 December 2016 18: 26 New
          what kind of necrophilia, I apologize, so by the way I had to,

          and briefly you can justify what the salt is here or in other words than in the article you can kill my comment (two)
          1. sannino
            sannino 27 December 2016 22: 45 New
            First, try to substantiate your comment "complete crap." What exactly do you disagree with in the article?

            Personally, I liked the idea of ​​a moon cannon. I think that it has a good future perspective (how close it is is another question). The argumentation of the article looks convincing, I do not see any obvious errors in the course of reasoning.
            1. ICT
              ICT 28 December 2016 17: 12 New
              Quote: sannino
              Personally, I liked the idea of ​​a moon cannon.

              taste and color ....

              as for me, so if we get there and have to equip the base, it’s necessary to put rockets,
              and put the gun so it’s smashed with the first rocket,
              I don’t feel like discussing the devices described in the article like an oxygen chamber, everything is clear and can even work, but it’s not clear who and what it is to forest
              Quote: sannino
              I do not see any obvious errors in the course of reasoning.
              there is a lot of them, they’re just hidden by “water,” like this pearl:
              Therefore, one of the possible options for controlling the flight path is to place beacons on the shells. Using the radio signal, the coordinates and velocity of the projectile are determined, and by transmitting the corresponding control signals to the micro-jet engines, the projectile's flight path is corrected and aimed at the target.
              1. sannino
                sannino 28 December 2016 17: 43 New
                And why do not you like a beacon?
                1. sannino
                  sannino 28 December 2016 17: 48 New
                  I don’t understand, what do you think is the problem with the beacon?
                  1. ICT
                    ICT 30 December 2016 06: 54 New
                    for clarity, the counter question

                    are you somehow connected with the author of the article?
                    1. sannino
                      sannino 31 December 2016 00: 38 New
                      No! And why do we turn from a technical issue to an individual?
                      1. ICT
                        ICT 1 January 2017 16: 14 New
                        Quote: sannino
                        And why do we turn from a technical issue to an individual?

                        for clarity
                        Quote: Straus_zloy
                        It is most likely useless to argue with the author.

                        I’ll try a little later to paint my thoughts on the radio beacons
  8. slan
    slan 14 December 2011 20: 55 New
    The editorial board, and the author is definitely not dangerous for society, do you even need a certificate?
    But seriously, you should not lower the portal level to such a level of statues.
  9. gambit
    gambit 14 December 2011 21: 09 New
    ETOGES how much it costs and the cost of operating at least a tiny base.
    building rockets, refueling them, modeling new machines that can carry out several sorties a day (without any troubles such as electronics failures or turbine explosions), and raise huge masses of cargo, etc. !! SHORT nonsense !!! we can somewhere in 3029 it will be possible :)
  10. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 14 December 2011 21: 43 New
    Googled a couple of articles by the author. "

    I have no more questions "(c)

    had a better opinion of correspondence higher technical education
    1. Space Odyssey
      Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 09: 50 New
      This gentleman is phenomenally fruitful. Creates in all areas of knowledge, both fundamental and applied :-)
  11. Anatoly
    Anatoly 14 December 2011 21: 54 New
    I think it’s not necessary to publish such a site on such a site.
    There are books for Ray Bradbury for this. fellow
    1. slan
      slan 14 December 2011 21: 59 New
      So at Bradbury science fiction ..
      1. Anatoly
        Anatoly 14 December 2011 22: 10 New
        Right! then, it's just a script for the next series of "Star Wars" wink
  12. Maroder
    Maroder 15 December 2011 01: 19 New
    This article is definitely not a translation from English.
    The Pindos had a nuclear-powered laser in space.
    They even launched a laser model and scared everyone.
    And here is just a gun on the moon. This is for Pindosia as two fingers piss.
    1. Space Odyssey
      Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 09: 30 New
      You are mistaken about the layout of the laser in space. It wasn’t.
  13. Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 December 2011 02: 26 New
    There is a base on the Moon, military, only Nazi, it is more likely to be advertised than hidden, but it has a vague prospect - in a year, the Pulsation Earth will disappear for external observers for 200 years, and the Moon will transfer to an independent flight in an elongated orbit.
    So, the autonomy of the structure and crew is not hundreds of years old, it will not work out the whole range of raw materials and products and people themselves, and the options are viewed approximately like this:
    - will die
    - they will fight against the Martians and fall under their influence
    - will accept the help of other cultures
    - evacuated to Earth before Ripple
    2 and 3 options can lead to the emergence of a developed mixed (mestizo) culture, which will have about 200 years to develop or degrade, and this can become an important cultural and technical factor, both positive and negative.
  14. wk
    wk 17 December 2011 01: 10 New
    sample pen, a science fiction writer ...
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 24 December 2011 20: 30 New
    What are the bases on the moon?
    The underwater space on Earth is practically undeveloped. The depths do not use more than 200m! But the ocean occupies 70.8% of the planet’s surface!
  16. Space Odyssey
    Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 09: 28 New
    Due to the gravity of the Earth, it is impossible to accelerate to a higher speed than the second cosmic, i.e. 11 km / s According to the visionary’s vision, acceleration will begin at a distance of 38 km from the Moon, where the projectile will arrive in 000 hours (at the promised speed of 3.5 km / s from the “air-electric” gun]. Then the average speed on the way to the goal can be taken equal to 3 + 3/11 = 2 km / s. Then the whole path from the Moon to the Earth in a straight line will take about 8.5 hours, although in reality the trajectory will not be straight and time will take much longer. For what purposes was the inventor about to shoot? Only and exclusively on motionless.

    The question of the accuracy of hitting from such a distance is not even considered, because for this the author simply does not have enough knowledge. But isn’t it easier to launch a rocket from the Earth for the same purpose, which will reach any object in the territory of a likely enemy in about half an hour? Or Podvysotsky hopes that no one will notice the shot from the moon and the shell will fall on the head of the adversary, like thunder from a clear sky? After all, it is clear that from the moment any Lunar Base is created, it will become an object of close monitoring, and all kinds of sensors will be placed around it.

    The delusional article that characterizes this pseudo-learned graphomaniac :-)
    Here are other examples of his multifaceted work:,
    1. Space Odyssey
      Space Odyssey 28 March 2012 10: 13 New
      Here is another product of the pseudoscientific activity of Podvysotsky, which may interest visitors to this military site

      It discusses in detail the "pneumoelectric" weapon, which Podvysotsky writes about in a delusional article on the artillery lunar battery. Pay attention to the level of argumentation of a certain Sergey, behind whom the author of the article is hiding in a dispute with an opponent. I do not exclude that this lively pseudo-scientist tried to disrupt financing for the project of re-equipping pistols with "pneumoelectric" 9-mm cartridges wink
    2. sannino
      sannino 27 December 2016 12: 05 New
      Space Odyssey is an amazingly accurate real mathematician (just kidding). Which may have been kicked out of work for professional suitability (and this is no longer a joke). How can a rocket fly to any target in half an hour, if the distance can be different, from hundreds of kilometers to tens of thousands of kilometers. If you really put guns on the moon, then the whole globe is under fire. Moreover, you can work on small objects, such as infrastructure, whose coordinates are well known and calculating the trajectory of the projectile to hit is quite simple, especially with a projectile weighing about 10 kg. And what is the mass of intercontinental missiles? Tens of tons. Moreover, the launch of an intercontinental missile is a nuclear war, that is, it is a deterrent, and can almost never be used. And from the moon cannon you can shoot even the Papuans. In Syria, for example. Or in Iraq, depending on whose gun it will be. At least as an exercise.
      1. sannino
        sannino 27 December 2016 12: 31 New
        It’s like a sniper weapon that puts the whole world at gunpoint, and from which no modern air defense system can protect. You can fire at any ground headquarters, any nuclear power plant, any chemical plant, any ship (if not on a campaign, then at your own pier). Weapons from which there is no protection on the surface of the planet. Although not very powerful, but it will get anywhere in the world.
  17. ko_0n
    ko_0n 30 January 2013 21: 51 New
    Something I did not quite understand.
    "In accordance with the 1979 Agreement on the Moon, it is also prohibited to place objects with nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction into orbit around the Moon or to another trajectory of the Moon, as well as the installation and use of such weapons on the surface of the Moon or in its bowels. The threat of force or the use of force and other hostile acts or the threat of such actions on the Moon or using the Moon is prohibited. Objects with nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction are also prohibited to enter orbit around the Earth. "
    Those. large-scale conflicts will require weapons of mass destruction, and this is prohibited. So what’s the meaning of a military base on the moon?
  18. ccsr
    ccsr 20 March 2018 19: 38 New
    Author: Valentin Podvysotsky, writes
    Thus, the presence of a base on the moon will make it possible to deploy high-precision non-nuclear weapon systems on it, which can actually be used in military conflicts of any scale (or even "anti-terrorist" operations).

    Should this garden be fenced, if on Earth all this is done much cheaper, and most importantly, more reliably. In my opinion, all this is manilism.