Ballistic cloning

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Pyongyang shares with the world the secrets of rocket science

Recent nuclear and missile tests have brought unprecedented severity to the DPRK. They will deal a serious blow to the country's economy. However, it is unlikely to affect its willingness to create new types of ballistic missiles. In North Korea, there was a kind of self-design school weaponsable to achieve impressive results with very scarce resources.

Of course, the DPRK cannot count on success in technological competition with developed countries, but it hardly sets itself similar goals. The North Koreans confirmed their ability to move forward independently, retaining approximately the 35 – 45 summer lag in missile technology from the leading military-industrial powers. At the same time, Pyongyang is gradually expanding its product range - from short-range missiles to more and more powerful ones, including ICBMs. Judging by the available information, the North Koreans are gradually striving to improve the accuracy of their missiles.

At the moment, there is no consensus among experts on the DPRK military industry about its ability to create a miniaturized nuclear charge that can be used as a warhead for ballistic missiles. The data on the four passed nuclear tests do not allow to draw certain conclusions, although the DPRK itself insists that it successfully solved the problem of miniaturization of charges and their installation on missiles. The Russian military does not divulge their opinion on this issue, but the prevailing opinion in the West is that the DPRK has nuclear warheads, in principle, cannot be ruled out, but there is still no evidence of their existence.

However, it is worth remembering that China, which built its nuclear weapons in the 60, tested the atomic warhead for the DF-2 medium-range ballistic missile just during the fourth nuclear test of the 27 of October 1966 of the year. Solving similar engineering tasks for 50 years later, North Korea at least has access to incomparably better computing power, more advanced equipment, and a huge amount of open sources in nuclear physics. Today's DPRK is hardly inferior to China 60-x in quality of scientific and technical personnel. Consequently, there is no reason to assume that the North Koreans are less successful in working on nuclear weapons than the Chinese 60's.

Nevertheless, even with conventional warheads, North Korean ballistic missiles are quite effective and deadly weapons. Modern missile defense systems, fabulously expensive and made with the use of technologies that are ahead of the North Korean by 40 – 50 years, do not provide guaranteed protection against old ballistic missiles.

In hostilities in Yemen, the Housits ​​coalition fighting against Saudi-led Arabia and allied units of the old national army use the Soviet "Points", delivered from the DPRK to Yemen in 90-e "Hwason-6" and the Iranian "Tondar-69" (alteration of zenith) C-75 or HQ-2 missiles. Although of the three types of missiles, only Hwason 6 was purchased by Yemen in the DPRK, the North Koreans are producing their own clone Dots, as well as C-75 versions for firing at ground targets.

By now, it can be said with confidence that the use of these missiles was productive and led to significant losses for the troops of the Saudi coalition, despite the presence of PAC3 complexes for them, for which the fight against such targets is the main specialty. According to the French TTU bulletin, only 40 per cent of attempts to intercept Hwaseong-6 missiles were crowned with success. Moreover, this clone of the Soviet P-17 missiles, slightly modified to increase range by reducing the mass of the warhead, is produced by North Koreans from 80's and does not reflect the current potential of their industry.

"Moon" and its descendants


Korean missile programs should be considered taking into account the nature of the North Korean regime. In 1956, Kim Il Sung, taking advantage of the chaos in Moscow and Beijing, generated by the Khrushchev report at the XXth Congress, produced a lightning political coup in the country. Numerous Soviet and Chinese henchmen in the North Korean party apparatus were destroyed. From now on, the main idea of ​​the regime was complete independence and independence from the outside world. From this principled installation logically followed the need to build an independent military-industrial complex, able to work in isolation and provide the country with the most important weapons. This task should be solved at any cost.

Ballistic cloningThe regime skillfully used the interest of the USSR and the PRC in preserving the buffer socialist state on the Korean Peninsula and their fierce rivalry between themselves. The initial basis for mastering the technologies for the development and production of rocket technology was the supply of Soviet and Chinese tactical missile weapons, and then the transfer of production technologies.

In 70, the Chinese helped the DPRK to organize their own system of maintenance, life extension and modernization of several types of Soviet tactical missiles, including the C-75 and the P-15 anti-ship systems. In 1971, the two countries signed an agreement on scientific and technical cooperation, the DPRK received assistance in the form of technology and training.

It is assumed (but not confirmed) that in 1972, Pyongyang was hit by a limited batch of 9K72 complexes with Р-17 missiles from the USSR. The DPRK has sought to supply weapons of this class for many years, but for lack of mutual trust, the Soviet Union limited itself to the transfer of less sophisticated Luna and Luna-M complexes with unguided rockets. In the same year, Pyongyang, with the help of Beijing, began its own production of C-75 and P-15 clones (or rather, their Chinese versions - HQ-2 and HY-1). Thus, the North Koreans gain experience in the development of relatively complex samples.

Work has begun on copying other types of Soviet tactical missiles, such as the Malyutka anti-tank missile system and the Strela MANPADS. If necessary, samples for study and copying are purchased from developing countries - recipients of Soviet weapons, primarily in Egypt.

The transfer of technology from China continues. The two countries are trying to implement a joint project of an operational-tactical ballistic missile DF-61, which, however, turns out to be unsuccessful. Finally, in 1976, the DPRK acquires another batch of P-17 missiles, this time in Egypt. Unlike the Soviet 1972 supply, the deal with Cairo is beyond doubt. Probably, additional rockets, the existence of which did not know the Soviet experts, were very useful for studying and copying their designs.

Third World General Provider


Egypt is not the only major recipient of Soviet weapons that interacted with the DPRK. An agreement on "scientific and technical cooperation" was also with Libya.

In April, 1983 of the DPRK, apparently, conducted the first successful test of its P-17 rocket, and in October of the same year, Tehran entered the game, which signed an agreement on financing the North Korean missile program with Pyongyang in exchange for subsequent deliveries of products and transfer technologies. This collaboration continues to this day. It is with him that Iran’s many successes in creating MRSMs and space launch vehicles are associated.

In the year 1984, the USSR did begin relatively large deliveries of the 9K72 complexes to the DPRK. Meanwhile, tests of their North Korean clones are underway. Own production of these missiles, called "Hwason-5", begins after 1985, then the DPRK proceeds to transfer their production technologies to Iran. In the second half of the 80-x production rate was brought, according to US estimates, to 10 – 12 products per month. Around the 1987, large shipments of missiles to Iran began.

North Korea is among the leading suppliers of ballistic missiles to developing countries. According to the American researcher Joshua Pollack, a total of 1987 ballistic missiles were delivered from 2009 to 1200 of the third world countries. 40 percent accounted for by the DPRK. North Korean deliveries reached a peak at the beginning of 90's, then they are reduced, and since 2006, under the influence of heightened sanctions and a ban of the UN Security Council on purchases of North Korean weapons, they are disappearing.

But if the export of finished missiles under international pressure is interrupted, the transfer of technology, according to all available data, has even expanded. Technological cooperation in the missile sphere is becoming an important source of currency for the DPRK, whose role has increased immeasurably since the collapse of the USSR. North Korea’s technology partners are the two leading powers of the Islamic world - Iran and Pakistan. In addition, attempts to interact with the DPRK in the field of missile technology has been undertaken by Myanmar. By the beginning of 2010, the government of this country against the background of the normalization of relations with the United States made statements about the termination of such cooperation, but their authenticity was not confirmed, at least in the field of deliveries of certain types of conventional weapons to the military-technical cooperation of Myanmar and North Korea.

Another country that tried to deploy its own missile production with the help of the DPRK was Syria, but its plans were not completed by the beginning of the civil war. But the DPRK persistently, however, unsuccessfully tried to expand the geography of the export of rocket technologies at the expense of other large developing countries, such as Nigeria.

Middle Eastern missiles


By the end of 80, North Korea had developed and began to export a new version of the P-17 with an increased range - Hvason-6. By the year 1990, the DPRK has achieved major success in the development of its own technologies - it has a rocket, based, of course, on the P-17, but still the original design - “Nodon-1”. It has, according to various estimates, the distance from 1000 to 1600 kilometers, makes it possible to threaten not only South Korea, but also Japan. More importantly, in the 90-e technology of these missiles were transferred to Iran and Pakistan.

Nodon-1 became the ancestor of the Iranian Shahab-3 and Pakistani Ghori-1, although in both cases changes were made to the design of the missiles in order to adapt them to the local production base. "Nodon-1" and an improved version of "Nodon-2" are still the most powerful Korean ballistic missiles that have completed a full course of flight tests and confirmed their combat readiness.

More slaughter MRBRs, including the first-time Musudan (shown at the 2010 parade of the year) (with an estimated range of 4000 kilometers), have never undergone flight tests in North Korean territory. At the same time, according to a US State Department telegram published by Wikileaks, the Americans believed that in 2005 a batch of these missiles was delivered to Iran. Thus, it is possible that flight tests were carried out on its territory. As for the other North Korean missile, the supposed intercontinental KN-08, shown at the 2013 parade of the year, its test launches were not carried out even once in any part of the world.

According to American statements, North Korean space launches serve to accumulate experience in the development of ballistic missiles. This is doubtful. Such launches do not give the opportunity to experience the key element of any combat missile - the head part. It should enter into the dense layers of the atmosphere on the final part of the trajectory, not collapse and achieve the goal with a given accuracy. The ability of the DPRK to solve such complex technical problems for missiles more powerful than the Nodon has not yet been proven. Space technology has an independent value for Pyongyang, since it serves as an object of export and strengthens national prestige.

There are suggestions that Musudan is a by-product of the Safir space launch vehicle developed in the interests of Iran (the Korean version is called Unha-3). The basis is the strong external similarity of “Musudan” and the second stage of the LV. According to some Western estimates, which are not documented, in 90, DPRK reconnaissance was able to gain access to materials on the Soviet naval MRBR P-27, which served as the prototype for Musudan. In those conditions, when a significant number of old Soviet missiles and their carriers were utilized, and chaos reigned in the field of security, this possibility could be. At least for now it is known for sure that in the middle of 90's, the South Korean intelligence conducted an operation to remove the decommissioned P-27. Nevertheless, a number of specialists in rocket technology subject this version to doubt and the question of the origin of Musudan remains open.

In parallel with the creation of the BRSD, the DPRK began work on ballistic missiles for submarines. Trial launches of the rocket, which received the western designation KN-11, from the ground platform began at the end of 2014, and the throwing tests at sea were recorded in January, 2015. The rocket resembles Musudan and the P-27.

The feasibility of developing a program of marine ballistic missiles in terms of the security of the DPRK is questionable. Boats carrying such missiles will be extremely vulnerable due to the overwhelming technical superiority of the Japanese and South Korean fleets, not to mention the possibility of their strengthening by the United States. It can be assumed that the technology is developing on the basis of sales prospects, and in this case, its transfer, for example, to Pakistan can have big consequences for world politics.

Another point of development for Korean ballistic missile programs is the “Point” production of clones of Soviet 2000М9 Soviet missiles launched in the second half of 79, presumably based on the documentation and samples acquired in 90 in Syria.

Thus, to date, the DPRK is in a very limited circle of countries capable of independently developing and producing a wide range of short and medium range ballistic missiles, as well as space rocket launchers. In this case, the DPRK already knows how, or it will soon be capable of producing nuclear warheads. Only Russia, the USA, France, China, and India have similar or higher potential.

Although North Korean technology is lagging behind 40 – 50 years, they are quite deadly and effective. And unlike the large countries, the DPRK is not bound by any control or non-proliferation regimes. The export of North Korean rocket technologies to states such as Iran and Pakistan has already become an important factor in world politics and has affected the situation in parts of the planet that are far from Pyongyang. In the future, for example, after the creation of the DPRK of operational ICBMs or ballistic missiles for submarines, the destabilizing role of North Korea as a major exporter of rocket technologies will only strengthen.
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  1. +1
    20 March 2016 06: 11
    Well, well done fellows are developing their defense industry, and then what, they headed for self-isolation from the whole world, they don’t want to be especially friendly with anyone. And they will remain at the margins of economic and technological progress.
    1. +5
      20 March 2016 06: 18
      Nothing lasts forever, the time will come and they will replace the ideology.
      1. +1
        20 March 2016 06: 21
        Catch up oh how hard it will be crying
    2. +5
      20 March 2016 06: 29
      Quote: krops777
      And they will remain at the margins of economic and technological progress.

      They decided to take a trip along the path of China, began to copy everything that is possible. Now they began to copy Dell and Aipl. Well, they are collecting all kinds of nonsense, though the components come from China.
      Well, of course, everything is presented as the achievement of the great North Korean science.
      Quote: krops777
      Well well done to develop their defense

      And about the defense industry, and what they have, they collected a dozen rockets and that’s all.
      1. +1
        20 March 2016 06: 40
        They need to give P 36 documentation, they can collect it and it will reach the Yankees.
        1. +9
          20 March 2016 06: 45
          Quote: Igor39
          It is necessary for them to give documentation P 36

          And if we are very lucky, then it will blow the fucking starting complex and we forget about the DPRK, at least for a year.
        2. +5
          20 March 2016 09: 25
          Quote: Igor39
          It is necessary for them to give documentation P 36


          Do not worry, the time will come and China will give the UK the necessary technology ... The leadership of the UK relies on the broad Chinese back in its attacks on the imperialists. For China, the NC is a strategic territory and its loss would mean a serious geopolitical defeat. It was not for nothing that during the Korean War, China sent a million "volunteers" to Korea.
    3. -9
      20 March 2016 09: 36
      And they will remain at the margins of economic and technological progress.
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      The one who laughs last laughs well.
      According to the latest data, oil reserves in Russia remain for 28 years. And the rest of the world is probably not in the best position. So let's see who will be in the best position by 2050: pampered by the benefits of civilization, or accustomed to being content with little.
      1. -1
        20 March 2016 11: 39
        Most likely, in 2050, thermonuclear energy will appear and energy on fuel cells, but do not worry about oil reserves - no one has canceled the hydrocarbon cycle in nature.
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        2. +1
          20 March 2016 18: 29
          Most likely, in the year 2050, thermonuclear energy will appear and energy on fuel cells,
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          Yes Yes Yes. Heard. How. And the fusion awaits us, as much as fifty-odd years as they already promise. We have already learned to hold plasma as much as 1-2 millionths of a second! which field to cut. A scam that has long come to a standstill.
          A lot of alluring things promise, but with a little correction. They say we’ll invent and launch everything, only one BUT, until the oil runs out, you know, it's a pity to lose the loot.
          And, of course, a bright future awaits us with inexhaustible energy. Only a little later, after a total global transport collapse. For no one anywhere can immediately and immediately transport vehicles using traditional fuels to alternative sources. As a result, first of all, HUNGER. which, oddly enough, sharply spurs scientific thought in the right direction. preliminarily killing hundreds of millions.
          But Koreans, by virtue of their current plight, strangely enough, will suffer the least.
      2. +2
        20 March 2016 14: 47
        Quote: guzik007
        And they will remain at the margins of economic and technological progress.
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        The one who laughs last laughs well.
        According to the latest data, oil reserves in Russia remain for 28 years. And the rest of the world is probably not in the best position. So let's see who will be in the best position by 2050: pampered by the benefits of civilization, or accustomed to being content with little.

        Do not you yourself take advantage of the benefits of civilization?
        1. +1
          20 March 2016 17: 36
          Do not you yourself take advantage of the benefits of civilization?
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          What sideways did you derive from my innocuous comment? Yes, I look, many really became scared, they won’t like zealously minus. Well, purely small children.
      3. +10
        20 March 2016 16: 32
        Quote: guzik007
        According to the latest data, oil reserves in Russia remain for 28 years.
        Throw out your "latest data" in the trash. They belong there. No one from the leaders of a normal state will easily tell request to you about the reserves of strategic raw materials stop. Even with the winning model of a liberal economy. Well, maybe hahly fool .
        1. -3
          20 March 2016 18: 16
          Throw your "latest data" in the trash
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          Well, let's just say, not mine. For what I bought, for what I sell. And don't be so naive, buddy. Our leaders know exactly as much about strategic reserves as the real masters of all sorts of "forces of Siberia" and other "our assets" tell them. Corporate secrets, you know.
          1. +3
            20 March 2016 19: 04
            Quote: guzik007
            For what I bought, for that I sell it.

            Impractical No. ... if you’re selling after you bought it yourself., then you need more Yes . Learn from Panikovsky hi .
            Quote: guzik007
            Leaders

            You kicked Putin hard what ... Does your leg hurt? wink
    4. +1
      20 March 2016 13: 48
      "they set a course for self-isolation from the whole world with no one especially want to be friends"
      How, or maybe they are not allowed to do this, simply and well to live, to be friends with whoever they want, I do not think that they are more stupid than their southern brothers, they just have a "good defender", but the northerners do not.
      1. +4
        20 March 2016 15: 16
        set a course for self-isolation from the whole world, they don't want to be friends with anyone. "
        How, or maybe they are not allowed to do this, simply and well to live, to be friends with whoever they want, I do not think that they are more stupid than their southern brothers, they just have a "good defender", but the northerners do not.

        Come on, pour in something with Russia, with China, who prevents friends?
  2. +8
    20 March 2016 06: 30
    The development of its military-industrial complex for such a small country and population of just over 25 million people should be recognized as an outstanding achievement.
    But the standard of living of the population leaves much to be desired.
    The same situation was in the USSR.
    Country self-sufficiency is an expensive thing ...
    1. +6
      20 March 2016 08: 04
      Pvi1206
      Country self-sufficiency is an expensive thing ...

      I support you, what remains to be done by a small independent country when the aggressive USA and its satellites have cornered them. The DPRK’s independence from the hawks of America is like a red rag for a mad bull ... BUT Koreans are very hardworking and stubborn, they will achieve their goal and Washington will have to come to terms with this fact!
    2. +1
      20 March 2016 09: 55
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Country self-sufficiency is an expensive thing ...


      Self-sufficiency is a myth. There are no such countries in the world and cannot be.
    3. +14
      20 March 2016 11: 14
      Quote: Pvi1206
      the level of life of the population leaves much to be desired.
      The same situation was in the USSR.
      Country self-sufficiency is an expensive thing ...



      About the USSR is completely untrue. He did not lock up - on the contrary, he created a huge market - separate from the western one.

      The USSR at the same time kept the army ten times more powerful than the entire CIS, and the people lived 10 times better

      The standard of living was approaching, on average, across the country to the East European - this despite the continental climate, the cost of production is several times higher, remoteness from ports and the sea, etc.

      Plus social security of the population - kindergartens of the school of medicine - both science and space and confidence in tomorrow

      Read the available statistics (it’s well cited by Sergey Kara Murza) after the collapse of the USSR, the consumption of meat, milk, bread, goods, all decreased by 7 times by 8 times, etc.

      People have stopped eating, drinking and buying - general poverty. But the bandit and prosperity of the restaurant flourished and the oligarchs - buy yacht villas on the Cote d'Azur

      They only rose slightly due to oil after 2000 - and that is, only part of the USSR - Russia Kazakhstan Azerbaijan - where oil is. And even then, in our country and in Russia, the growth of living standards is uneven - where it is dense and where it is empty - cities and towns are dying out, there are depressed areas - the USSR is very far
  3. +9
    20 March 2016 06: 42
    Definitely, unlike Iraq, Libya, the DPRK still exists, contrary to Washington, because it has nuclear weapons.
    1. -1
      20 March 2016 06: 43
      Quote: avvg
      If there were no nuclear weapons and the DPRK still did not exist.

      Strange, who is threatening the DPRK?
      1. 0
        20 March 2016 08: 16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: avvg
        If there were no nuclear weapons and the DPRK still did not exist.

        Strange, who is threatening the DPRK?

        But it is necessary that they threaten? No wonder they say - do not touch .... - will not stink. bully
        In fact, if you write the statements of the North Korean leader over the past year on the one side of the sheet, and the South Korean president on the second, it will become clear that they stand each other - both by militancy and by the provocativeness of statements and actions. But Pak Geun Hye doesn’t threaten his neighbors with nuclear weapons, and he doesn’t launch rockets - and that’s all that can be added to her advantage! On Kim's provocation, she clearly succumbs!
        In Soviet times, a brochure with the title "Where does the threat to peace come from" was published regularly - once every two or three years. It's time to release another one: the rhetoric of the confrontation in Korea is now just off scale. Korea can now become the detonator of an all-out nuclear war. And in our country, many people believe that the Americans are to blame for all conflicts in the world! The Americans are clearly not angels, but in this case, Kim decided that he could blackmail the whole world for two purposes: 1. For the DPRK to be fed, that is, to be supplied with food free of charge.
        2. To reckon with him.
        South Korea followed Kim’s lead and got into the rhetoric of escalating tensions, which is very dangerous.
        The United States, Russia and China in Korea, in general, act as a united front - nobody needs inadequate ones - and thank God!
        1. +5
          20 March 2016 11: 59
          Quote: andj61
          USA, Russia and China in Korea, in general, act as a united front


          Strongly doubt

          The confrontation in the TO-DV - - ACTUALLY goes along the line of the USA + JAPAN + SK + Taiwan + Autsralia and so on against China + DPRK + Russia

          Moreover, the main opponents of the United States are China and Russia

          DPRK too small adversary for America and the West

          This is the same ploy as "fighting ISIS" - everyone seems to be fighting ISIS - but in reality, the West is fighting Iran and Russia in Syria (and Qatar is trying to push its pipe to the shore at the same time)
          1. +2
            20 March 2016 14: 42
            Quote: Talgat

            Strongly doubt

            The confrontation in the TO-DV - - ACTUALLY goes along the line of the USA + JAPAN + SK + Taiwan + Autsralia and so on against China + DPRK + Russia

            Confrontation, of course, exists, but only the DPRK stands apart: no one - neither China, nor Russia, nor Japan, nor the United States, nor, moreover, South Korea, in FIG, needs an unpredictable neighbor armed with missiles with nuclear warheads. Therefore, statements condemning Kim’s actions are heard from all sides, including from Moscow and Beijing. Kim is not an ally either to us or to China ..
          2. +2
            20 March 2016 18: 10
            Quote: Talgat
            This is the same ploy as "fighting ISIS"
            The time is well chosen when it is possible to provoke the DPRK authorities to public statements about "the readiness of the powerful and invincible DPRK army to crush ..." and so on. Head of the North. Korea (as well as South, in fact) is obliged to its people to react in a similar way to unfriendly actions on the part of its neighbors, and the Western media are engaged in "artistic exaggeration" of the North Koreans' reaction to provocations, "domesticating" similar reactions of the South in their own way. A Hollywood scenario worked out in a thousand little details about "good" and "bad" guys, the first of whom is always on the side of US national interests. Political strategists only create remakes. ))
      2. +8
        20 March 2016 08: 21
        During the Cold War, the exercises of the troops of the ATS countries with a total number of 10-15 thousand people were already considered potentially dangerous, 2 months of the Key Resolve CMS (10 thousand South Korean and 8,6 thousand American soldiers in 2015) and maneuvers are held on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan Foal Eagle (200 thousand South Korean and 3,7 thousand American soldiers, respectively), which, in particular, handled the tasks of delivering a preventive strike. For example, in the 2012 exercises, 10 thousand American Marines handled landings on key facilities in the North. Now it is very difficult (but virtually impossible) to hide the deployment of units and formations, their withdrawal to areas of concentration. Such exercises can very well be used as cover for an attack on the DPRK; there have already been examples of declaring war on the part of the United States on a far-fetched pretext. North Korea cannot inflict unacceptable damage with conventional means of destruction, what else (except diplomatic protests) can be done here?
        1. +6
          20 March 2016 12: 04
          The US and the UK are conducting real exercises - which can instantly turn into a powerful blow

          The DPRK is an order of magnitude weaker and is under regular attacks from much stronger opponents - who "rattle their weapons" at the very borders and can attack at any moment

          Those "hooligans" or "inadequate" are not the DPRK - but the aggressive South Caucasus and the United States - really hanging over the DPRK and regularly really "waving an ax over the DPRK's head"

          The DPRK can do nothing - either squeeze its eyes shut and wait for the death blow - or - as it does - try to deter the aggressor with a threat in case of an attack, apply a nuclear response
          1. 0
            20 March 2016 16: 00
            Quote: Talgat
            The US and the UK are conducting real exercises - which can instantly turn into a powerful blow

            The DPRK is an order of magnitude weaker and is under regular attacks from much stronger opponents - who "rattle their weapons" at the very borders and can attack at any moment

            One can also recall the provocative installation of South Caucasus loudspeakers with propaganda records on the 37th parallel, as well as the termination of the United States, despite the agreement, the supply of food to the DPRK.
            This is all so - but Kim don’t share the boy! Nuclear explosions. the constant launches of ballistic missiles, the reluctance to listen to the opinions of anyone, even the opinions of their ally China - all this has led to the fact that Kim is now condemned by everything and from all sides. And nobody will harness for him.
    2. +1
      20 March 2016 15: 21
      Definitely, unlike Iraq, Libya, the DPRK still exists, contrary to Washington, because it has nuclear weapons.

      Yes, from them, in contrast to Iraq, Libya has nothing to take, and they would not climb, but if there was oil there, for example, they would have screwed their "democracy" long ago.
      1. 0
        20 March 2016 20: 49
        Yes, there is no oil there, but judging by the latest documents on the embargo, there are many other interesting things - rare earths, and of course, uranium.
    3. -4
      20 March 2016 16: 52
      Do not deal with the DPRK "core" would live much better. From such territories as hers, the use of nuclear weapons is suicide.
      1. +6
        20 March 2016 18: 31
        Quote: siberalt
        territories like her use of nuclear weapons - suicide.


        I still remain on the point of view. that the absence of nuclear weapons would be suicide for the DPRK. In conditions when there is no USSR and China "not yet" - the USA will immediately shift the balance in its direction - how much effort they put in their time on the peninsula
        1. +3
          20 March 2016 19: 07
          Quote: Talgat
          I still remain on the point of view. that the absence of nuclear weapons would be suicide for the DPRK.

          Hey.
          Quite right, the DPRK needs nuclear weapons to protect itself from aggressive regimes such as the United States of South Korea and Japan, otherwise they will simply destroy it, as we have seen more than once in the past, using the example of Iraq Libya and so on.
          Unfortunately, the USSR did not, and there is no one to help the peoples who do not want to "lie down" under the United States.
          The meeting of Soviet troops in the border town of Sinijuju. 1945 year
        2. 0
          21 March 2016 03: 41
          Eun well learned the lessons of Gaddafi, Assad, etc.: no nuclear weapons - you're a loser.
          Well, the promises of the "civilized" to fight a little in the DPRK with up to 1 million soldiers http://www.belvpo.com/ru/66460.html
          he is somehow not diminished by enthusiasm.
  4. 0
    20 March 2016 06: 48
    Eun is well settled down, fenced off from everyone, parasitizes his people ideologically, and crap wherever he can all over the world.

    In Vladivostok, various consultants occasionally supply local media with their propaganda materials, especially the DPRK consulate. Here are yesterday's materials on another sample of their products:
    “Pak Geun Hye is a crazy witch”: Kim Jong-un published a white paper criticizing the president of South Korea

    Читать далее: http://www.newsvl.ru/society/2016/03/19/145539/#ixzz43PFcRGAS
    Vladivostok news on VL.ru
    if you go to the site, do not be lazy to read the comments of Vladisotokites. Here is a small selection on this topic:
    Pinocchio 11 hours ago
    In the late 1990s, Kim Jong Il was at the center of a car scandal: the DPRK leader ordered 200 Mercedes-Benz S-Class sedans in Germany for money received as UN humanitarian aid.

    The current head of the DPRK is not far behind the pope. Under his reign, imports of luxury goods to North Korea grew by 70 percent. Every year, the import of luxury goods is hundreds of millions of dollars. The most significant increase is precisely in the market of expensive foreign cars, as well as computers, wines and spirits. In July, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reported that the number of North Korean children suffering from acute malnutrition jumped 38 percent from the previous year.
    name 12 hours ago
    But this North Korean propaganda does not remind you of anything?)) It seems to me that we are moving along the same path. And we often hear what wonderful rulers we have, how good we are. And it would be even better if the whole world did not conspire against us .. We also hear how poorly the citizens of other, developed countries live
    al12 hours ago
    discard him a couple of boxes of whiskey and let him shut up
    Ls20012 hours ago
    The great Un’s judgments are understandable to the people of the village of Korea, but extremely crazy for everyone else, I think he was flabbergasted mercilessly, although perhaps there are other forces compelling him to do just that, in any case, our great Pu must solve this problem, and how then there is no desire to live next to a smoked puff, a hammer banging on a nuclear bomb ....
    Asclepius15 hours ago
    "Park Geun Hye is a crazy witch infected with all sorts of filthy diseases" ... -
    A question arises: Kim Jong-un - personally conducted a psychiatric examination of Park Chong Hee and took smears from her for the presence of "dirty diseases"?
    If YES, then what right does he have to divulge medical confidentiality?
    If NO - then why 3,14?

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  5. +9
    20 March 2016 06: 51
    The Americans specifically pedal the confrontation between the DPRK and the RSK. They create constant tension in this region, near the borders of China, Russia and Japan. If the Americans withdrew their troops from the RSU, then there would have been no more such conflicts. The leadership of the RSU would never itself go to the device of provocations and sanctions against the DPRK. When the presidents of the RSK try to pursue a policy independent of the United States and reconcile with the DPRK, they are quickly removed from their posts. America does not need peace on the Korean Peninsula; it needs constant boil over and without cause.
    1. +1
      20 March 2016 07: 49
      Quote: ICE
      If the Americans withdrew their troops from the RSK, then there would have been no more
      Republic of Korea. I don’t know about you, but I, for example, will miss Samsung products. So, even though I have to pay taxes, but it’s better that the American troops remain in Korea, their presence at least somehow keeps Kim from very stupid things.

      Hillary for prison 2016 !!!
      1. +2
        20 March 2016 08: 20
        Quote: Nagan
        Hillary for prison 2016 !!!

        Do you feel sorry for this grandmother? winked
        It’s better that he directs Bill at home - well, cut the lawn there, or, looking at the Obama family, to plant a garden ... wink
        1. 0
          20 March 2016 22: 22
          Quote: andj61
          Do you feel sorry for this grandmother?
          Better house Bill - Well, cut the lawn there, or, looking at the Obama family, to plant a garden ...

          If only the House is not White, then I am not against it, simply because the investigation and other legal matters will cost taxpayers dearly. But she is aiming precisely at the White House, and the third presidency of a shit in a row will cost America even more. So that -

          Hillary for prison 2016 !!!
      2. -2
        20 March 2016 08: 25
        Nagan (7) US Today, 07:49 ↑
        Quote: ICE
        If the Americans withdrew their troops from the RSK, then there would have been no more Republic of Korea. I don’t know about you, but I, for example, will miss Samsung products. So, even though I have to pay taxes, but it’s better that the American troops remain in Korea, their presence at least somehow keeps Kim from very stupid things.

        It sometimes seems to me the best option if South Korea, having withdrawn from the non-proliferation treaty, riveted its atomic bomb, and Eun would shut up right away, and the Americans should not be asked for help (because the Americans will not give it). Vaughn, India and Pakistan immediately began to live more peacefully. Their aggressive marginals are no longer allowed to go.
  6. +6
    20 March 2016 06: 53
    In general, this is the heroism of the people. Same as in the USSR after the war. One can only admire.
  7. +4
    20 March 2016 07: 15
    Quote: ICE
    America does not need peace on the Korean Peninsula; it needs constant boil over and without cause.

    especially at our border.
  8. -3
    20 March 2016 07: 19
    I hope the "iron" will of the North Korean people will lead to the logical conclusion of today's confrontation. As the saying goes: "Time will tell".
    1. +5
      20 March 2016 07: 33
      Quote: Mangel Olys
      I hope the "iron" will of the North Korean people will lead to a logical end to today's confrontation

      Are you hoping for a warrior? You probably outplayed the tanks.
      1. -1
        20 March 2016 08: 51
        It’s you who are fighting here with people like us, whose human values ​​were instilled in the USSR.
  9. -2
    20 March 2016 07: 41
    Nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles will be created. But After all, it is also necessary to change the head of the leadership (the options are to treat, cool ...). The DPRK in the region today is like that monkey with a grenade, who did not like it, and is waving it at that - God forbid, it will quit.
  10. +4
    20 March 2016 07: 51
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Igor39
    It is necessary for them to give documentation P 36

    And if we are very lucky, then it will blow the fucking starting complex and we forget about the DPRK, at least for a year.


    Your joke has passed, fine. Only the DPRK is not Zimbabwe, but a border state, and we will definitely have to forget about the DPRK and at the same time about the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, and the whole south of the Far at least a year.
    What about China? And Japan? ...
    1. +1
      20 March 2016 12: 39
      Quote: avg-mgn
      . Only the DPRK is not Zimbabwe, but a border state, and we will definitely have to forget about the DPRK and at the same time about the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, and all of the south of the Far at least a year

      Do you know why warheads with nuclear warheads are shot down with ordinary missiles?
      1. -1
        20 March 2016 20: 42
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you know why warheads with nuclear warheads are shot down with ordinary missiles?

        And who knows how?
        ABM around Moscow uses nuclear warheads, if so.
        And the Yankes with their "ballistic interception" are a chicken in a deep nest ...
        1. 0
          21 March 2016 08: 50
          Quote: Wheel
          ABM around Moscow uses nuclear warheads, if so.

          YYYYYYY wassat wassat wassat
  11. 0
    20 March 2016 08: 31
    For some reason, I remembered one movie, "Star Wars" - the attack of the clones.
    1. +2
      20 March 2016 22: 25
      Here it’s more likely an attack of clowns, but a clown waving a vigorous rocket is scary, in addition to jokes.
  12. +7
    20 March 2016 08: 32
    Interesting. how many people in our country mechanically believe in the craziest nonsense about the DPRK spread by Seoul))). Yes, you read the blogs of people who visited the DPRK, watch documentaries before sticking out your lip and throwing mud. The DPRK is an absolutely standard authoritarian country (both in Asia and in Africa there are such bulk), simply with a "socialist" ideology, which causes worldwide zoological hatred. All of their "backlog" is caused by exactly one reason - the long-term blockade. P.S. Do not trust South Korean propaganda, colleagues, look for normal sources of information!
    1. 0
      20 March 2016 09: 27
      Quote: excomandante
      Interesting. how many people in our country mechanically believe in the craziest nonsense about the DPRK spread by Seoul))). Yes, you read the blogs of people who visited the DPRK, watch documentaries before sticking out your lip and throwing mud. The DPRK is an absolutely standard authoritarian country (both in Asia and in Africa there are such bulk), simply with a "socialist" ideology, which causes worldwide zoological hatred. All of their "backlog" is caused by exactly one reason - the long-term blockade. P.S. Do not believe South Korean propaganda, colleagues, look for normal sources of information!

      They killed, found adequate sources sources. Yes, tourists there create very attractive conditions with Potemkin villages, though there is no way to go beyond the tour. And whoever allows you to shoot a normal documentary there, all conditions are negotiated and everything is under control (as a sample you can watch Kaverznev’s film (considered a masterpiece of TV journalism) - how he got out). They would take better and ask our Koreans how they visited their relatives in the DPRK, they would tell that only Eun is eating normally there, and how the local Security Council bursts into them in the middle of the night and begins to interrogate (probably they have such a hint to share denyuzhku). And Seoul's passions about grenade-machine gun shooting are for young children who are scared with a black hand in a black room, because they themselves have a vague idea of ​​what is happening there. Moreover, it is not the state that is engaged in this, but active Korean guys from blogs and the media, well, they are trying to the best of their imagination, and they are fueled by Hollywood cliches and cool shooters.
      1. +2
        20 March 2016 09: 32
        You forgot the main thing - they shoot people from anti-aircraft guns! And personally, Kim Jr. shoots!
      2. -1
        20 March 2016 23: 20
        Blondy

        Eun is well settled down, fenced off from everyone, parasitizes his people ideologically, and crap wherever he can all over the world.


        And Seoul's passions about grenade-machine gun shooting are for young children who are scared with a black hand in a black room, because they themselves have a vague idea of ​​what is happening there.


        Madame, I already wrote to you like this: do not smoke any crap! You understand that it’s not a woman’s business to talk about bombs about shots and other horrors. True, now, thank God, you acknowledge that tales of shots and flamethrowers are nonsense of South Korean propaganda.

        The first step in the right direction was done and that's good! If you stop wasting time on liberal fake creation, then it will be generally wonderful. Read novels, watch TV shows, and engage in (or learn to engage in) raising children.

        Well, if you are interested in the life of people in neighboring countries, then pay attention, for example, to the topic: the life of North Korean women. Here, the video is specially for you!

        DPRK TV: Happy Women of Korea

  13. +3
    20 March 2016 08: 54
    I got the impression. that they take junk from China or buy and leave - "achievements". Sure. The DPRK has both personnel and capacities. but the resources are rather weak. Still, to create nuclear weapons requires a very good industrial base. And we know very little about this country.
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  15. +4
    20 March 2016 09: 17
    DPRK is more likely a headache for China - unification will bring US closer to its land borders - Enthusiasm for UN actions near our borders is a paradox, and in general S. Korea is a crookedly copied copy of the USSR
  16. +2
    20 March 2016 09: 34
    It is interesting that the nuclear powers Pakistan and Israel (and in the future - Iran), which are much more unpredictable and belligerent, for some reason do not evoke such an angry reaction from the "world community".
    1. +2
      20 March 2016 11: 54
      After receiving the yao, they just quietly coexist peacefully, not trying to arrange another war
  17. +3
    20 March 2016 09: 45
    Publication of what is called topical, but unfortunately the author did not bother too much about finding reliable sources of information.
    It is assumed (but not confirmed) that in 1972, Pyongyang was hit by a limited batch of 9K72 complexes with Р-17 missiles from the USSR.

    This was repeatedly written on the VO, the P-17 of the USSR never delivered to the DPRK, fearing that these missiles would end up in China. North Korea received Scuds from Egypt. Egypt, among other weapons, received R-17 missiles in the early 70s and used them in the war with Israel in 1973. In 1980-1981, a group of Korean specialists was trained in the operation and use of this missile system.
    Sergey wrote about this not so long ago in his series of publications "The Nuclear Era".
    http://topwar.ru/89874-yadernaya-era-chast-9-ya.html
  18. KCA
    +4
    20 March 2016 11: 27
    himself from Dubna, we have the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research here, all the socialist fraternity as part of its members, well, North. Korea, too, has communicated with Koreans since the days of the USSR, so they are not for the sake of propaganda, not out of fear of punitive authorities, they really love their country and their leaders, a cult of personality, not a cult, but they are not kicked with sticks to shout "Glory to the next Kim ", they do it from the bottom of their hearts, in fact, I'm not talking about that, but about their technical achievements - even to the humpback, during the Soviet era, Koreans had a tradition - the community gathered in the middle of the football field of the stadium, well, like, what a Korean holiday, what they were doing there, what they were doing, perhaps only former KGB officers know, who at that time knew their service and carried without dishonoring the name of Dzerzhinsky
  19. +2
    20 March 2016 11: 52
    Is everything listed in the article interesting? As I understand it, the DPRK’s biggest problem is the inability to provide enough food to the population due to the small sown area.
    1. +4
      20 March 2016 13: 06
      Quote: article
      developed in the interests of Iran, the Safir space launch vehicle (the Korean version is called Eunha-3)

      Actually, the Iranian Safir missile is unlike the DPRK Unha-3 missile, at least outwardly, although the cooperation of the two countries in the missile and nuclear spheres is undoubted.
      Iranian rocket carrier Safir

      Interestingly, Safir is launched from the standard mobile PU of the Iranian army.

      DPRK rocket Eunha
  20. +6
    20 March 2016 12: 45
    C'mon, they shoot down T-34-85 with a bent barrel planes (take a look, you won’t regret, brain removal is guaranteed) wassat

    And if they bring the ICBM to mind ...
    ps jokes as jokes, and the successes for such a country and under such pressure conditions are impressive.

    pps cinema Yu.Koreysky, in the tank S. Korean soldier.
  21. +3
    20 March 2016 13: 46
    I feel sorry for the people of the DPRK. They are hardworking and disciplined, selfless and simple-minded. There was a case, I came across them. Such a regime cannot be maintained for the most general humanitarian reasons. This is not a communist ideology, this is a dictatorship seasoned with communist rhetoric.
    And I don't want the little swollen Eun to threaten the whole world, brandishing a nuclear baton. But as long as there is a TOTAL information blockade in the DPRK, this is Massaraksh, the very "Inhabited Island" of the Strugatskys. The role of "zombie towers" is being successfully replaced by television and continuous propaganda. How effective this is, we see from Dill. So the inhabitants of the DPRK, when trying to "force a solution", will tear the liberators with their teeth - to the last man. Whoever these liberators were. This is a civilizational dead end.
    1. KCA
      +2
      20 March 2016 15: 50
      no one will dare to forcefully overthrow the DPRK system, this is understandable, terrorism and jihad will seem like flowers, compared to the self-sacrifice of the Koreans, and a hundred years will pass, but the aggressor will "suddenly" continue to explode houses, planes, bridges and tunnels, and possibly "dirty bombs" will free half of the aggressor country from the population, there are enough fissile materials in the DPRK, but the leadership of North Korea, giggles, hankies, do not need a war either, but I doubt that the same Eun is a stupid person and a clown, rather he knows everything very well and understands that it is more profitable for him to be the leader and beacon of the whole country than the burnt wreckage
    2. +2
      20 March 2016 16: 47
      Holy simplicity.
      And how could the "terrible" DPRK, until recently, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, threaten the only superpower on planet Earth? What made the commander-in-chief of the US Air Force say in 1994 that ICBMs were re-targeted from targets in the USSR to North Korea? Especially in the second half of the 90s, when the very existence of the republic was in question?
      Over the past 5 years, the RK annually spends 40-42 billion dollars for military purposes (for example, the entire budget of the DPRK-12,83 billion dollars), including on the Hunmu-2B BRMD (500 km) of the Kill Chain preemptive strike system (in the development of BR with a range of to 800 km).
  22. -2
    20 March 2016 17: 37
    [I]
    Quote: strannik1985
    Holy simplicity.
    And how could the "terrible" DPRK, until recently, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, threaten the only superpower on planet Earth? What made the commander-in-chief of the US Air Force say in 1994 that ICBMs were re-targeted from targets in the USSR to North Korea? Especially in the second half of the 90s, when the very existence of the republic was in question?
    Over the past 5 years, the RK annually spends 40-42 billion dollars for military purposes (for example, the entire budget of the DPRK-12,83 billion dollars), including on the Hunmu-2B BRMD (500 km) of the Kill Chain preemptive strike system (in the development of BR with a range of to 800 km).

    [I]

    Holy simplicity!!!! DPRK is not at work !!!! Turn on the brain !!!
    SAKHALIN, KAMCHATKA, KURIL, Vladik ... And the involvement of Japan, China in the conflict ... And who will have your economic calculations tomorrow !!! One must think first, then write (emphasis on A). I didn’t want to offend! But we have to!!!
  23. +1
    20 March 2016 19: 56
    The author of the article proceeds from false premises about the allegedly "destabilizing" role of the DPRK in the world. Naivety or Intention? I think intent. Now the current Russian leadership has completely joined the "world community" in relation to the DPRK. And the article kakraz is in this vein. Those. the article is ordered and apparently well paid. What does the current Russian leadership want to impress upon the Russian people?
    1. The DPRK is a source of danger.
    2. The DPRK is a backward totalitarian state.
    3. DPRK - all the achievements stole from Russia.
    Well, now you can openly discuss all these points.
    1. For some reason, the United States (constantly bombing and destroying everyone) no one considers the source of danger in the current leadership of Russia. And they strive to "normalize" relations with them with every fiber of their souls. On the other hand, a country that was subjected to the genocide of the Japanese in WWII and the genocide of the United States and the "world community" after the war, and which does not want to repeat this, strengthens its defenses, is constantly under pressure from all sorts of sanctions, poses a threat to the "current Russian leadership".
    2. It is ridiculous to even talk about the backwardness of this state. A country launching satellites that created SAMA (rather than stealing secrets) nuclear weapons, by definition, cannot be backward.
    3. To talk about the theft of a technologist based on a comparison of the APPEARANCE of a rocket is already simply a flaw. Than the author actually sins in the article.

    Now about the most important thing. Why do the author and the current Russian leadership need all this? I think that everything is in order to "please" the owner of the "world community." The current Kremlin "elite" just go out of their way to "forgive them" for Crimea. Naivnyaki. And what is surprising is that with this support of the "world community", to the detriment of good-neighborly relations with the CONTINUOUS NUCLEAR (!) State, the Kremlin "elite" REALLY PUT its population under attack in the event of a nuclear mess on the peninsula. But what is it to them ... they are far away in Moscow ... And why is Russia deliberately destroying ALL TIES WITH ALL CONCERNING states, real and potential allies? China is already next in line ... judging by the number of negative publications about this country in the Russian press ...
    1. +3
      20 March 2016 22: 19
      In response to the preparation of the United States and South Korea for aggression against the DPRK, "iron" Eun conducted maneuvers to land troops on the coast.

      We have a lot of hovercraft, by the way, Iran has the same or very similar ones.


      Tank landing ships.

      Floating tank mod. 1981 "Shinhen" (М1985) Tank weighs 20 tons, maximum speed on land 60 km / h and on water - 10 km / h, cruising range - 500 km. Armed with an 85 mm cannon, 14,5 mm KPVT and 7,62 mm machine guns, an anti-tank missile system with a firing range of 3 km.


      The courageous people of the DPRK are preparing to defend their homeland.
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  25. +1
    21 March 2016 23: 01
    Quote: S_Baykala
    C'mon, they shoot down T-34-85 with a bent barrel planes (take a look, you won’t regret, brain removal is guaranteed)

    Oh comrade, it's really just a superclip! Where is it from ? Particularly striking is the episode with a running cow Catching up with a tank! and about the shooting down of Mustang with a crooked barrel - this is generally. drinks
  26. +1
    23 March 2016 09: 59
    Quote: Warrior2015
    Quote: S_Baykala
    C'mon, they shoot down T-34-85 with a bent barrel planes (take a look, you won’t regret, brain removal is guaranteed)

    Oh comrade, it's really just a superclip! Where is it from ? Particularly striking is the episode with a running cow Catching up with a tank! and about the shooting down of Mustang with a crooked barrel - this is generally. drinks


    The film "Western Front" is called. There are still 2-3 shots not worse: what do you think - why is the barrel bent? No fantasy is enough wassat The barrel is bent as a result of a bazooka shot in the forehead ... And how he threw off the paratroopers from the tower ... The final is also impressive.
    Most importantly: I still don't understand the genre - action, drama, comedy? H.Z. Indian "Commando" sometimes smokes on the sidelines (also a masterpiece fellow )