Belarus will adopt new salvo systems

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Using the available capabilities and resources, the Republic of Belarus is currently engaged in retrofitting its armed forces. With the help of several foreign countries, primarily Russia, the Belarusian military are developing new weapons and equipment. In the near future, the Belarusian armed forces should receive a new weapon system, which is expected to seriously increase their strike potential. Already in the summer of this year, it is planned to transfer the first Polonaise multiple rocket launchers to the troops.

The first information about the development of the new Belarusian MLRS appeared relatively recently - last spring. Soon became known appearance of this system. The 9 parade in May 2015 in Minsk for the first time showed self-propelled launchers and transport-charging machines of the new Polonaise complex. Soon there was some information about the new development. In particular, it became known that the Polonez project is a joint development of the Belarusian and Chinese industries. In particular, China was originally responsible for the creation and production of the missile part. The chassis, in turn, were of Belarusian origin.

As reported by the Belarusian press, by the middle of last year, the first tests of the new MLRS were conducted. 16 June 2015, the chairman of the Gosvoenproma of Belarus, Sergei Gurulev, reported to President Alexander Lukashenko on the successful completion of tests of the Polonez system. A platform for these checks, in view of joint development, became one of the polygons of China. Details of the work were not disclosed, but this did not prevent the emergence of a number of assumptions. For example, there were predictions about the speedy conduct of Polonez tests at Belarusian landfills.

Belarus will adopt new salvo systems
Self-propelled launcher MLRS "Polonaise". Photo Kp.by


In early February, 2016, the Belarusian armed forces conducted exercises of rocket forces and artillery. During the training and combat activities at the Polessky range, firing from various weapons was carried out. According to some reports, during these exercises, the Polonez MLRS, which have not yet been officially adopted, were also involved in the shooting. However, official confirmation of such rumors was not received, although representatives of the Belarusian command openly argued that the new salvo system should be tested at its landfills in the very near future. According to the results of these checks, the complex can be adopted.

Recent reports on the future of the Polonez system suggest that the tests have already been carried out and the military decided to put it into service. In particular, last year it was claimed that the first battery, armed with new salvo systems, would go into service in the early autumn of the 2016. Now the terms of adoption are shifted to July. It is quite possible that during the inspections certain progress was achieved, which made it possible to adjust the plans in a positive sense of the word.

Unlike some other data on the new Belarusian weapons, information about the approximate dates for adopting the Polonaise was obtained from official sources. Thus, if in the future events will develop without significant problems, by the end of the summer of this year, the missile troops and artillery of the neighboring state will have mastered new equipment that has a great advantage over the existing one.


Launcher, side view. Photo Abw.by


According to available data, the MLRS Polonez project is a joint development of Belarusian and Chinese specialists. The industry of the Republic of Belarus was responsible for the production of basic automobile chassis and parts of equipment installed on them. The People’s Republic of China, in turn, was engaged in the development of missiles and related equipment. The result of this approach to development was the emergence of a new multiple launch rocket system, which, it is said, differs from existing samples in high performance.

The composition of the new MLRS includes several major components. This is a self-propelled launcher, transport-loading machine (TZM) and a rocket of a new type in the transport and launch container (TPK). In order to simplify operation and maintenance, all the machines of the complex are built on the basis of the four-wheel drive all-wheel drive chassis MZKT-7930 "Astrologer". This chassis is equipped with an 500 horsepower engine, which allows it to carry a payload weighing up to 24 tons and moving at speeds up to 70 km / h. Thus, the selected chassis as a whole meets the requirements imposed in connection with the installation of launchers and ammunition reloading systems.

Unified chassis are equipped with platforms with a set of special equipment, the design of which partially uses the same units. In particular, between the front and rear axle pairs on both MLRS machines, outriggers are provided to stabilize the equipment during operation. Equipment platforms for combat and transport-loading machines, in turn, is different due to the different tasks to be solved.

In the aft platform of the self-propelled launcher is a lifting-swiveling device with fixtures for transport and launch containers. This system is designed to guide the package of TPK missiles in the horizontal and vertical planes. In the stowed position, the package of containers is laid along the platform. On the mountings of the launcher there are eight missiles in their own containers. At the same time, two blocks of four TPK each are mounted on the central lifting boom, to the right and to the left of it.


Rocket A200 Chinese development. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com


TZM complex "Polonaise" is equipped with a platform with other equipment. It provides fixed mounting for eight TPC with rockets, behind which is a crane. Using the latter, the calculation of the transport-charging vehicle should dismantle empty containers from the launcher and overload the new TPKs in preparation for firing.

The most interesting element of the Polonaise multiple launch rocket system is a missile designed to hit various targets in a wide range of ranges. According to popular belief, the new Belarusian MLRS uses Chinese-style A200 rockets created by the First Academy or CALT (China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology). These weapons have long been offered for export supplies and, it seems, have now found their buyer. Thus, the Chinese manufacturers of missile weapons were able to find a customer for their new development and conclude a profitable contract.

According to reports, the A200 rocket is a guided munition suitable for attacking targets in a relatively wide range of ranges. The rocket has a variable caliber case with a maximum diameter of 301 mm and a length on the order of 7,3 m. In the middle part of the case there are X-shaped rudders, in the tail part - stabilizers of similar design. The maximum span of the planes (tail stabilizers) reaches 615 mm. The mass of the product is declared at the level of 750 kg. The missile can be equipped with a warhead of three types. At the final part of the flight, the warhead is separated from the rest of the rocket units.


TZM with containers of missiles and a crane for their overload. Photo Kp.by


One of the main tasks of the A200 project was to increase the firing range. According to published data, this weapon allows you to fire targets at distances from 50 km. The maximum range is said to exceed 200 km. Due to the relatively long range missile equipped with a guidance system. For control during the flight, it is proposed to use an inertial guidance system with signal correction of satellite navigation systems. QUO at maximum range is declared at the level of 30-50 m. Some Belarusian sources mention accuracy up to several meters.

A200 missiles are shipped in square transport and launch containers. TPK are sealed and are intended for long-term storage of missiles. Before using weapons, containers are suggested to be mounted on the launcher mounts and used as guides for launching. Thus, after firing, the used container is dismantled, and a new one is installed in its place, after which the self-propelled launcher can again carry out firing.

Announced information about the new MLRS "Polonez" are of great interest. The specialists of the two countries were able to successfully solve a number of important issues and create a salvo fire system with very high characteristics that distinguish it favorably from the existing and future foreign analogues. The most important advantage over other modern MLRS is the firing range of about (or at least) 200 km.

The most important features and advantages associated with a high firing range are fully disclosed in the light of the geographic features of Eastern Europe. Such characteristics in theory allow the Belarusian missile forces to keep a large region in sight, which includes significant territories of neighboring countries, which, for the most part, have strained relations with the Republic of Belarus. Thus, Minsk can get a very convenient and promising tool that can significantly affect international relations in the region.


MLRS "Polonaise" at the parade. In the foreground TZM, at a distance - launchers. Photo News.tut.by


In some Belarusian editions, even now, suggestions are being made to further improve the Polonaise system. In particular, it is mentioned that with the help of foreign industry, Belarus can only receive missiles with a range of no more than 300 km. A further increase in firing range, in accordance with existing international agreements, is only possible on its own. The successful solution of such a task with the help of its industry will additionally increase the strike potential of the rocket forces, as well as affect the international situation accordingly.

At the same time, Belarus may have a new specific problem. According to some data, last year's tests in China were carried out due to the lack of relevant landfills on the Belarusian territory. Landfills of the Republic of Belarus do not allow firing at a range of about 200 km. In addition, there is no possibility to shoot from one polygon against educational targets on another: the location of the Belarusian polygons is such that the distance between one is smaller than the required 200 km, and between the other is much greater. Thus, again it is necessary to look for an alternative test site with shooting at the maximum range.

The Polonez project has so far gone through several major stages. Last May, several samples of such a system were shown at a parade in Minsk. Soon after, the new weapons passed tests at Chinese test sites. To date, the volley fire system has been tested by the Belarusian military, resulting in preparation for its adoption. According to the latest data, the MLRS "Polygon" will be put into service this summer. Delivery of the first systems to the troops moved from September to July. Thus, in the very near future, Belarus will receive new modern weapons, which will increase the country's defense capability. A further increase in defense capability will be associated with the rate of mass production of new technology. Any information about the plans for the construction of the new MLRS has not yet been published.


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  1. +1
    16 March 2016 06: 49
    Polonaise - Polish dance, what would it mean?
    1. +21
      16 March 2016 08: 58
      And what, in fact, confuses you with the name? Polish roots? So by analogy with "Buratino" the same is not an ethnic Russian character: D
      So, for starters, what Belarusian names come to mind?

      ... well, do not name the MLRS "Dranik": D
      1. +7
        16 March 2016 09: 13
        Quote: K.Shimada
        . well, not to name the MLRS "Dranik": D

        good And what a worthy name! After applying the object of shelling will be like a potato on a grater! laughing
      2. +6
        16 March 2016 09: 48
        Confuses that there are Chinese missiles !!
        1. +6
          16 March 2016 11: 12
          If only Chinese missiles. There, all the electronics are Chinese.
          1. +4
            16 March 2016 13: 09
            Quote: hrad
            If only Chinese missiles. There, all the electronics are Chinese.


            How do you know? link let's ...
          2. +1
            16 March 2016 19: 32
            Hrad CZ  Today, 11:12 ↑


            If only Chinese missiles. There all the electronics are Chinese. The electronics and guidance systems are Belarusian. Chinese engines and fuel so far
          3. 0
            18 March 2016 02: 24
            If only Chinese missiles. There, all the electronics are Chinese.

            They didn’t embarrass two, they put a minus, apparently they were Chinese.
        2. +2
          16 March 2016 16: 18
          Quote: Megatron
          Confuses that there are Chinese missiles !!

          If Belarusians are not embarrassed, then what? hi
          1. +1
            16 March 2016 17: 50
            Well, maybe they just fraternally throw us something to see. The Chinese themselves are unlikely to directly give something. Ourselves hang down, and show their fix)
      3. avt
        +4
        16 March 2016 10: 07
        Quote: K.Shimada
        ... well, do not name the MLRS "Dranik"

        "Dranik" would be cooler, as well as "Pinocchio" as opposed to "Pinocchio." Well, I already wrote on the topic - the legs grow from the USA. They suddenly decided - to shoot from one NUR and SD launcher is not like good, but still very cool and generally a new word in technology. ”Ours simply said - and without the UR from the" Tornado "to this range cheap and angry. As a result, we went to develop the "Tornado" G, S, U, and the Chinese decided to save on the chassis and now this "Polonaise / Kitanese" appeared. From this we are neither hot nor cold, but in terms of money, again, savings - we do not finance the project. So if Butler gets together to jump into the armament - his happiness, and if he also manages to make a chassis for the Chinese - count on seventh heaven. laughing Just remembering my experience working with the Chinese, how little I believe that they will take a lot of money off their plate, well, not those passengers, they will most likely take away all rights to the chassis.
        1. 0
          16 March 2016 10: 15
          why do they need chassis rights? they have their own analogues.
          1. avt
            +1
            16 March 2016 10: 25
            Quote: ruslan
            why do they need chassis rights? they have their own analogues.

            They also have analogs of engines for Su, well ... and with what joy do they buy in Russia?
            1. +1
              16 March 2016 17: 07
              Well, fighter engines are a much more complex mechanism than automobile chassis. with the auto industry they have a much better situation. Yes, probably the Wanshan 8x8 wheeled chassis is made with an eye on the maz, there are some Taian TAC-5450s. therefore, it seems to me that the Chinese are no longer needed the chassis so much to pay for them. here to steal, yes, the Ministry of Science and Technology of the PRC approves :)
            2. +1
              16 March 2016 20: 01
              Well amused so amused! The Chinese need the rights and secrets of production TARGET! It’s hard to come up with more fun. The country is launching satellites, tyconauts into space, planning soon to land a man and a tractor on the moon! What do you smoke comrade?
              And your pearl:
              Ours simply said - we will get to this range without UR from the "Tornado" cheap and angry


              What is the range of the Smerch and what is the Polonaise? "Smerch" did not stand next to these missiles. The planned range of the "Polonaise" is limited by some missile agreements and will be up to 200 km, and for internal use MORE than ... 500 km. So these weapons are from different songs. Next, about the "Chinese" electronics. Many in Russia apparently have long forgotten, and the jerks did not even know that in Belarus there is a solid enterprise producing electronics "Integral" called. So here it releases EVERYTHING NECESSARY for this system. By the way, half of the "Russian" electronics is also produced at this enterprise.
              1. avt
                0
                16 March 2016 21: 19
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                . The country is launching satellites, tyconauts into space, planning soon to land a man and a tractor on the moon! What do you smoke comrade?

                Teach the materiel tovarisch, but not from the pictures, but try technically and at the same time look for the same Grechko’s statement on this subject - you will learn a lot of interesting things about how and how the Chinese came from and where, then you won’t have to trend with slogans, especially by type
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                The planned range of "Polonaise" is limited by some kind of missile agreements and will be up to 200 km, and for internal use MORE than ... 500 km. T

                That's when you start at 500 meters kilo, then you will inflate your cheeks, and before that, study the nomenclature and approach to the implementation of the task in Russia - in our PRINCIPLE they did not intend to use one launcher and they are not going to do it on a campaign, but created a completely different unit - , Iskander. "So don't be fouled, but But Father boasted that only Iago has the mind and money to make centipedes, and dear Russians have neither one nor the other, so he waited for greetings from KAMAZ.
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                Russia has apparently been forgotten for a long time, and the jerks did not even know that in Belarus there is a solid enterprise producing electronics called Integral.

                - remember everything, even that which you yourself don’t know,
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                s. By the way, half of the "Russian" electronics is also produced at this enterprise.

                And the second half in Ukraine? wassat But in Russia, you’re sewing, but you’re kumy? Well, somehow you got it out of it, although it was not very fun and easy for the same air defense.
                1. +1
                  16 March 2016 21: 52
                  statement of the same Grechko

                  What are you talking about? What Grechko? What century is it? What millennium? Obviously get smoked ...
                  And the second half in Ukraine?

                  Again, your inferiority complex went off scale? Who is to blame for you that you destroyed everything and sold it to your thieves? And now he is offended that he needs to "get out" and air defense with milk and beef and with electronics ...
                2. +2
                  16 March 2016 22: 08
                  Quote: avt
                  Russia - in our PRINCIPLE they did not intend to use one launcher, and they are not going to do it on a campaign, but created a completely different unit - Iskander


                  So that’s the whole point.
                  By and large, Russia does not need a Polonaise MLRS.
                  There is a whole nomenclature from Grad to Hurricane in modified versions (I don’t know which of the Tornado modifications to which)
                  For further purposes there is Iskander (or Poplar).
                  Even for more distant aviation.

                  And in the "crystal vessel" of production there are neither Tornadoes, nor Hurricanes, nor ammunition for them.
                  Judging by the news on military aviation, it’s also quite tight with aviation.

                  It looks like Rygorych and decided to find a "budget" option instead
                  Tornadoes, Hurricanes, strike aircraft and ischto import substitution.
              2. +2
                16 March 2016 22: 20
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                The planned range of the "Polonaise" is limited by some missile agreements and will be up to 200 km,

                KRRT range is limited to 300km, but not 200km
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                , and for internal use MORE ... 500km.

                well do not tell the electorate

                Multiple launch rocket system AR3 with 370 mm guided missile BRE6 "squeezes" 210 km MAXIMUM




                ?

                Do you dream for a 300mm "Belarusian"
                Quote: Former battalion commander
                MORE ... 500km.
                ?
                Better stop a hundred at once.

                I will disappoint you, the "Polonaise" MLRS is unlikely to exceed the 140 km mark.
                Base?
                NORINCO guided missiles: 300 mm with a launch range of up to 140 km (with difficulty)

                it is understandable.
                Razi, that the former Litvinians invented the gravitsap ....
      4. -2
        16 March 2016 21: 08
        Quote: K.Shimada
        So, for starters, what Belarusian names come to mind?

        gamon? (Oh sorry wink , but you don't need to ban me, I prefer the translation option a: "kapets")

        Quite a decent (and essentially such) name -VIHRASLUP.
        (or syednі vіhraslup)

        Nevertheless, for Värhöna, the halo of the Cossacks of Justice of Belarus RB Alyaksandar Lukashenka

        would sound like a melody.
        -------------------------------------
        I want to ask you how it translates into Belarusian: OCHUCHNIK? (the same would do)
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    2. 0
      16 March 2016 17: 49
      I think nothing is significant.
      And what do we have on the Tornado s? It seems they promised to deliver two divisions this year. I wonder what his actual range will be?
  2. 0
    16 March 2016 07: 23
    The set to the `` Polonaise '' must be adopted by the MLRS `` hopak '', otherwise you never know.
    1. avt
      +2
      16 March 2016 10: 14
      Quote: ewgen
      The set to the `` polonaise '' should be adopted by the MLRS `` hopak ''

      what In addition to NUR and SD, it’s also possible to launch farting steam from the launch banderlog / Maidanute horses wassat
      Quote: Megatron
      Confuses that there are Chinese missiles !!

      Why does it suddenly bother you? This is Batsky’s business, let him even agree with the Chinese - they will let them release them under a license, which joint venture they will make, or stupidly in exchange for chassis. This is his frivolous affair - his army and he will decide what he will arm. Why cling then in search of a nonexistent haul? request
      1. +3
        16 March 2016 12: 11
        In addition to NUR and SD, it’s also possible to launch farting steam from the launch banderlog / Maidanute horses


        It immediately came to mind.
  3. +9
    16 March 2016 07: 39
    200 km with a rocket mass of 650 kg and caliber 300mm. Too good data. I wonder what mass warhead at such a range? Surely this is a special long-range modification.
    1. +1
      16 March 2016 09: 39
      MLRS WS2D can shoot at 400 kilometers - according to the designers, - a sort of multiple-launch rocket system operational tactical missiles.
    2. +3
      16 March 2016 11: 21
      Quote: qwert
      200 km with a rocket mass of 650 kg and caliber 300mm. Too good data. I wonder what mass warhead at such a range? Surely this is a special long-range modification.

      I do not see anything real in this data. For comparison, the EXTRA missile has a range of up to 150 kilometers and is equipped with a 125-kg warhead with a starting weight of only 450 kg.
    3. 0
      16 March 2016 21: 11
      Quote: qwert
      with a rocket mass of 650 kg

      so kind of 750
      and officially nowhere to be spoken
      only indicative data from experts
  4. +6
    16 March 2016 08: 57
    Actually, in Belarus it’s not sweet right now. The people groan. Not to Polonez. Dancing around an empty wallet.
    1. 0
      16 March 2016 09: 17
      Quote: black
      Dancing around an empty wallet.

      Now in Russia it is like that everywhere. In Togliatti in particular. Prices rose by 30-50%, but the salary is the same. But Ukraine is much worse.
      1. +7
        16 March 2016 09: 36
        But Ukraine is much worse.

        Yes, only there is war, there is no oil, gas, and imbeciles are in power, but everything seems to be wrong with us and we are not living much better!
  5. 0
    16 March 2016 09: 36
    I wonder when in Russia they will create a completely new MLRS.
    1. +2
      16 March 2016 10: 57
      Apparently, never. The Chinese in this area specifically overtake us. That against the background of the fact that the United States practically came out of this topic, it is very unpleasant.

      The Americans finally made a bet on an expensive guided missile variant for the MLRS. The British went even further, their new MLRS, using American missiles, does not have a rotary mechanism at all, only a lifting one. That is, by default it cannot be used to launch old unguided missiles.
      1. +1
        16 March 2016 11: 04
        The United States has long realized that the use of guided missiles in the MLRS is much more effective than the use of conventional rockets.
        1. +3
          16 March 2016 11: 47
          Quote: Vadim237
          The United States has long realized that the use of guided missiles in the MLRS is much more effective than the use of conventional rockets.

          Only when shooting at long ranges.

          For short ranges, the most effective Chinese MLRS with turbojet unguided RS. Creative processing of the heritage of Nazi Germany.
          For medium - unguided "Gradovskie" 122 mm RS. In this area, the Chinese have also notably pushed us back.
          1. -2
            16 March 2016 14: 29
            Unfortunately, "Grad" is a weapon of yesterday for large-scale and local conflicts, this MLRS is not suitable - it's like pouring ants on a machine gun - the ammunition consumption is large, but there is almost no sense, which was confirmed by the war in Donbass.
            1. +9
              16 March 2016 15: 00
              Quote: Vadim237
              Unfortunately, "Grad" is yesterday's weapon for

              C'mon ... An ideal tool to deal with second echelons, command posts, artillery and air defense systems in positions. That is, with any areal targets that need to be hit quickly, and at the same time their coordinates are determined with insufficient accuracy for the use of high-precision ammunition.

              For example, counter-battery fight. By default, radars for determining the coordinates of firing guns are not able to determine their coordinates with an accuracy of even a dozen meters. For the atmosphere ... It is not enough for high-precision ammunition And for MLRS of the "Grada" type it is an ideal target. Especially if you use systems to reduce the dispersion of RS in a salvo, as in the "Tornado-G"
  6. +9
    16 March 2016 09: 37
    Dear, if the stated data is correct, the system is serious, to know more precisely about the warhead, the probable deviation, the affected area, here you are, patriots, if we do not want and will not help the Belarusians, then an alternative will be quickly found, if desired and on gas and oil, so that neighbors need to be friends and help, including in building a modern army, we are in the same boat
  7. +2
    16 March 2016 10: 16
    Quote: black
    Actually, in Belarus it’s not sweet right now. The people groan. Not to Polonez. Dancing around an empty wallet.

    Well, from the side, of course, you know better. And more audible. I do not hear groans. And about the complex, I agree with commentators, as if the MZKT would not be limited to the production of twenty pieces for the army of the Republic of Belarus, and one installation for China. And then the Chinese will successfully copy the car, and will do it themselves.
    1. +1
      16 March 2016 13: 03
      you are far from the people. the situation is already awful. and hope for improvement is not visible
      1. +1
        16 March 2016 19: 37
        you are far from the people. the situation is already awful. and hope for improvement is not visible
        And you mean close modern populist such
      2. +2
        16 March 2016 20: 34
        you are far from the people. the situation is already awful. and hope for improvement is not visible

        And what's so awful? Well, Papa’s deal with the merchants of coat raisers that dragged the Chinese here, forced them to show the goods documents, and that’s why, now they will receive orders from their factories, and not Chinese and Turkish. Well, I raised the tariffs for housing and communal services, and it’s understandable, I personally spend more money for all kinds of Internet and mobile phones than for utilities, it’s clearly not fair, now I’ll have to reduce expenses on the Internet.
        It is necessary not to whine, but to work, not to TRADE, namely to WORK. But if you don’t know how or don’t want to work, then of course you "... hope for improvement is not visible ...".
    2. +4
      16 March 2016 14: 18
      Well, aside, you probably stayed wassat
    3. +1
      17 March 2016 13: 18
      Quote: Mentor
      Well, from the side, of course, you know better. And more audible. I do not hear groans.

      Send you an audio file in what format mp3, wav, ape? The video is now scary to send.
  8. +2
    16 March 2016 10: 45
    Quote: black
    Actually, in Belarus it’s not sweet right now. The people groan. Not to Polonez. Dancing around an empty wallet.

    Come on, tell us from the USA how "people groan" in Belarus ...
    What kind of reflex does all the "dumped" have - to sit on forums and throw mud at their homeland, coming up with all sorts of nonsense to the maximum? Does this make your life easier and sweeter?
    1. +3
      16 March 2016 10: 57
      I’m actually sitting in Krasnodar. And a flag, for it it is necessary to ask providers. It’s bad that from the phone, otherwise I would have scribbled the comments of your fellow countrymen from another social network. Work, prices, prices, work. There are those that answer questions and immediately erase the text. What is erased then? From the joy of living in the most democratic of countries? All of them are here. I don’t see the point.
      1. -1
        16 March 2016 21: 01
        otherwise I would have scribbled the comments of your fellow countrymen from another social network

        "Other social networks" are different. They are social networks for that, to fulfill different orders and create an EXTERNAL impression for readers who do not understand this technology. Most likely in these "social networks" which you refer to BIG half of the employed there, and the rest are "OFFENSE DYKTATURY".
    2. +2
      16 March 2016 13: 03
      man wrote the truth
  9. +3
    16 March 2016 11: 07
    Quote: black
    I’m actually sitting in Krasnodar. And a flag, for it it is necessary to ask providers. It’s bad that from the phone, otherwise I would have scribbled the comments of your fellow countrymen from another social network. Work, prices, prices, work. There are those that answer questions and immediately erase the text. What is erased then? From the joy of living in the most democratic of countries? All of them are here. I don’t see the point.

    Why do I need complaints from individuals? I live in Belarus, and I look around, but due to the fact that people are smiling on the streets, I do not draw conclusions about the wonderful life in the whole country. There are difficulties in our small city, but people live, enjoy spring and life. I ask you to never draw conclusions about the whole country according to the comments of individuals. I don’t sob about Krasnodar, according to the comments of the otdely townspeople of this, I have no doubt, beautiful city.
    1. -1
      16 March 2016 13: 05
      burned - dear) Belarus will not write - "Belarus"))
      1. +3
        16 March 2016 13: 36
        Quote: ferro4
        burned - dear) Belarus will not write - "Belarus"))

        He does not know Russian?
        Or, following the Ukrainians, is obliged by default to demand changes to its rules? 8)))

        Do you know how the Germans call Belarus? "Weiswusland" ... They must strictly point out the unacceptability of this.
  10. 0
    16 March 2016 11: 08
    But father is an ally, so the new long-range MLRS by the way. And there, you see, the operation will show whether the RF MLRS with similar RSs is also needed.
  11. +3
    16 March 2016 11: 12
    For control during the flight, it is proposed to use an inertial guidance system corrected by the signals of satellite navigation systems. KVO at maximum range declared at the level of 30-50 m. Some Belarusian sources mention accuracy of several meters.

    30-50 m is very bad for such. I hope that the Belarusian statements about "several meters" are true.
    1. 0
      16 March 2016 11: 52
      Quote: professor
      30-50 m for such a very bad.

      For cassette, just right. As for shooting in squares.

      For example, modern means of radio reconnaissance are not able to give out the coordinates of a radio station or radar with an accuracy sufficient to hit a target with one guided projectile. A "square-nested" salvo over the area of ​​the "triangle of errors" will allow covering it with a higher probability and lower consumption than when using systems like the "Tornado"
      1. +1
        16 March 2016 11: 58
        Quote: Spade
        For cassette, just right. As for shooting in squares.

        By area, precision munitions are not needed by definition. Here is the application for high accuracy. Cassette tapes are banned by someone ...

        Quote: Spade
        For example, modern means of radio reconnaissance are not able to provide the coordinates of a radio station or radar with an accuracy sufficient to hit a target with one guided projectile.

        There are two solutions to this problem:
        1. GOS induced by radio emission
        2. GOS pointing to the optical image of the target.

        In addition, UAVs today give out the exact coordinates of any target.
        1. +1
          16 March 2016 12: 26
          There is a third option. Vanya is a scout. And the power and omnipotence of the UAV is greatly exaggerated. It happened like that. At first we went, saw, and then the drone flew there. So for now, the old fashioned way. Legs top-top. On the belly shur-shur, look with your eyes, look.
        2. 0
          16 March 2016 12: 56
          Quote: professor
          By area, precision munitions are not needed by definition.

          Why? Will the toad smother?

          Quote: professor
          In addition, UAVs today give out the exact coordinates of any target.

          Additional intelligence? While the UAV gets there, and at the same time it is not shot down, it will be too late.

          Quote: professor
          There are two solutions to this problem:
          1. GOS induced by radio emission
          2. GOS pointing to the optical image of the target.

          3. Treaty providing for the prohibition of camouflage and countermeasures systems. All these "newspapermen", KRTZ, and other technical means should be outlawed.

          The exported KRTZ-125-2M leads the missile 300 meters away from a working radar. This is some kind of chaos. How much money is wasted ... It is necessary to ban this along with biological weapons.
          1. +1
            16 March 2016 13: 52
            Quote: Spade
            Why? Will the toad smother?

            And that too. Also, dispersion plays a positive role here. It's like a machine gun and a sniper rifle. The first takes statistics, and the second accuracy.

            Quote: Spade
            Additional intelligence? While the UAV gets there, and at the same time it is not shot down, it will be too late.

            And intelligence and additional exploration. It’s not so easy to shoot down a drone, and even if they defeat it, it will already fulfill its role, it will reveal the location of the radar.

            Quote: Spade
            3. Treaty providing for the prohibition of camouflage and countermeasures systems. All these "newspapermen", KRTZ, and other technical means should be outlawed.

            Mask the radar in the visible and infrared range.

            Quote: Spade
            The exported KRTZ-125-2M leads the missile 300 meters away from a working radar. This is some kind of chaos. How much money is wasted ... It is necessary to ban this along with biological weapons.

            Leads the first or second rocket. The next one (and at least 4 in the MLRS block) will put everything there to shreds.

            The only way the radar can survive is to blame it quickly. Very fast.
            1. +3
              16 March 2016 14: 19
              Quote: professor
              . Also, dispersion plays a positive role here.

              At such firing ranges, there is no "positive role"

              Quote: professor
              And intelligence and additional exploration. It’s not so easy to shoot down a drone, and even if they defeat it, it will already fulfill its role, it will reveal the location of the radar.

              Not just, but very simple. The targets are far behind enemy lines, the drone is healthy and slow-moving ...

              Quote: professor
              Mask the radar in the visible and infrared range.

              The newspaperman is doing just that.

              Quote: professor
              Leads the first or second rocket. The next one (and at least 4 in the MLRS block) will put everything there to shreds.

              And the second, and the third, and the fifth, and the tenth. The complex creates an imaginary "radiation source". Moreover, 300 meters is for export systems. For example, to Venezuela.
              1. +1
                16 March 2016 14: 25
                Quote: Spade
                At such firing ranges, there is no "positive role"

                It is not a matter of range, but of accuracy.
                High-precision ammunition in areas does not work.

                Quote: Spade
                Not just, but very simple. The targets are far behind enemy lines, the drone is healthy and slow-moving ...

                Tell it to General Shamanov.

                Quote: Spade
                The newspaperman is doing just that.

                No, not that.
                The Gazetchik-E radar protection equipment (34Ya6E) is designed to protect radars from anti-radar missiles (PRR) by briefly turning off their radiation at the commands of an autonomous PRR detector in combination with the use of distracting devices in the radar frequency range, as well as aerosol and dipole interference PRR guidance systems with thermal, television and active homing radar heads

                Quote: Spade
                And the second, and the third, and the fifth, and the tenth. The complex creates an imaginary "radiation source". Moreover, 300 meters is for export systems. For example, to Venezuela.

                I also create a perpentum mobile. wassat

                PS
                Means of protection radar "Gazetchik-E" (34Я6Е)
                Protection Probability:
                from one PRM type HARM, at least 0.85
                from one PRR with thermal, television or active 0,85–0,95

                from two 0.72
                from three 0.61
                from five 0.44
                from ten 0.2
                1. +1
                  16 March 2016 14: 50
                  Quote: professor
                  It is not a matter of range, but of accuracy.
                  High-precision ammunition in areas does not work.

                  Yeah, it should be like in Kromatorsk. The valiant ukrovoennyh hid behind a peace man, no less valiant rebels zhahnul on them "Tornado". 18 for the "ATO headquarters", 14 for residential areas.
                  And if, as expected, a division, but with a tabular expense for such purposes?

                  Quote: professor
                  Tell it to General Shamanov.

                  He does not know that you can shoot down aircraft? Or is someone juggling once again, extending the complexity of defeating small UAVs, which by default are not capable of reconnaissance in the enemy’s rear, to all of them?


                  Quote: professor
                  No, not that.

                  Quote: professor
                  as well as aerosol formulation and dipole interference



                  Quote: professor
                  I also create a perpentum mobile.

                  Such a system does not contradict physics at all.
                  1. 0
                    16 March 2016 14: 59
                    Quote: Spade
                    Yeah, it’s like in Kromatorsk.

                    Nobody, ever and anywhere, worked on precision munitions in squares. This is contrary to common sense.

                    Quote: Spade
                    He does not know that you can shoot down aircraft? Or is someone juggling once again, extending the complexity of defeating small UAVs, which by default are not capable of reconnaissance in the enemy’s rear, to all of them?

                    He probably doesn’t know otherwise he wouldn’t complain about the unpunished Georgian drones circling over the heads of Russian paratroopers.

                    Quote: Spade
                    aerosol and dipole jamming

                    Dipole interference is generally not at work, and aerosol interference, as you know, is not a panacea since ammunition will hit the target using an inertial guidance system.

                    Quote: Spade
                    Such a system does not contradict physics at all.

                    The answer is in a previous post.
                    1. +1
                      16 March 2016 15: 17
                      Quote: professor
                      Nobody, ever and anywhere, worked on precision munitions in squares. This is contrary to common sense.

                      Absolutely not contradictory. Once again, the greater the range, the greater the dispersion. And there comes a moment when it is more economically feasible to use guided missiles with ANNs for area targets, corrected according to global positioning data.

                      It is contrary to common sense to pay more. when possible less. For example, in the Primer it is written "the defeat of individual armored targets by fire with a closed OP is inappropriate." Not because they don't; in the end, probability theory will play a role. But because the consumption of projectiles and the time are too great.


                      Quote: professor
                      He probably doesn’t know otherwise he wouldn’t complain about the unpunished Georgian drones circling over the heads of Russian paratroopers.

                      Which of them? Georgian "Global Hooks"?


                      Quote: professor
                      and aerosol interference, as you know, is not a panacea since ammunition will hit the target using an inertial guidance system.

                      Do not hit. Because
                      Quote: Spade
                      modern means of radio reconnaissance are not able to provide the coordinates of a radio station or radar with an accuracy sufficient to hit a target with one guided projectile.



                      Quote: professor
                      The answer is in a previous post.

                      There is no answer there ...
                      KRTZ-125-2M and "Gazetchik" are completely different complexes with completely different operating principles
                      1. +2
                        16 March 2016 15: 36
                        Quote: Spade
                        There is no answer there ...
                        KRTZ-125-2M and "Gazetchik" are completely different complexes with completely different operating principles

                        I retype especially for you:
                        Means of protection radar "Gazetchik-E" (34Я6Е)
                        Protection Probability:
                        from one PRM type HARM, at least 0.85
                        from one PRR with thermal, television or active 0,85–0,95

                        from two 0.72
                        from three 0.61
                        from five 0.44
                        from ten 0.2

                        Quote: Spade
                        Absolutely not contradictory.

                        Technically feasible, practically none. Nobody will ever work on areas of ammunition worth under a million dollars apiece. Even Americans printing money do not.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Which of them? Georgian "Global Hooks"?

                        Georgian Hermes. It was on them that the Shamans complained.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Do not hit. Because
                        Quote: Spade
                        modern means of radio reconnaissance are not able to provide the coordinates of a radio station or radar with an accuracy sufficient to hit a target with one guided projectile.

                        Well, if the aerosol cloud hides the radar in advance and forever, then yes, but in reality the cloud is formed after this ammunition with a small ESR (ESR ALARM ranges from 0.05-0.07 m2) is detected by the radar. The ammunition itself will detect the radar before it can detect it. Further cloud, inertial, defeat.
                      2. 0
                        16 March 2016 19: 32
                        Quote: professor
                        Means of protection radar "Gazetchik-E" (34Я6Е)
                        Protection Probability:

                        And what about the performance characteristics of the Gazetteer, if we are talking about the KRTZ-125-2M? "The newspaperman" turns off the radar, KRTZ creates an imaginary point. The modernized Pechora, which is going for export, includes not Gazetchik, but KRTZ-125-2M

                        Quote: professor
                        Technically feasible, practically none. Nobody will ever work on areas of ammunition worth under a million dollars apiece. Even Americans printing money do not.

                        belay
                        Where do these prices come from?
                        GMLRS costs 113 and a half hundred thousand dollars. The cost of an unguided long-range missile, which he replaced, was only 10 thousand dollars less.

                        Quote: professor
                        Georgian Hermes. It was on them that the Shamans complained.

                        A powerful thing. In order to reconnoitre the target for the "Polonaise" shooting at 200 km, it needs a little more than an hour 8)))))) Promptly

                        Quote: professor
                        The ammunition itself will detect the radar before it can detect it.

                        How interesting ... A rather weak active radar seeker radar of the 9M83 missile of the S-300V complex, compared to ground-based radars, captures a target with an ESR of 0.05 squares at a distance of 30 km.
                        What kind of optics should it be in order to confidently recognize a target at such ranges?
                      3. +1
                        16 March 2016 20: 33
                        Quote: Spade
                        And what about the performance characteristics of the Gazetteer, if we are talking about the KRTZ-125-2M? "The newspaperman" turns off the radar, KRTZ creates an imaginary point. The modernized Pechora, which is going for export, includes not Gazetchik, but KRTZ-125-2M

                        Well, how does KRTZ-125-2M help in the visible optical and infrared range?

                        Quote: Spade
                        Where do these prices come from?

                        A simple gmlrs costs $ 110,255 (FY 2014), a GOS missile costs a lot more. Let not a million, but they do not work in areas.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Promptly

                        Yeah. He hangs in the air for XNUMX hours and is in no hurry.

                        Quote: Spade
                        What kind of optics should it be in order to confidently recognize a target at such ranges?

                        Medium. Expensive optics does this from a distance of 90 km.

                        PS
                        TTX missiles of the "Polonez" complex
                        Caliber 300 mm
                        Starting weight 750 kg
                        Length 7.26 m
                        Weight warhead 100-150 kg
                        Shooting range 50-200 km
                        Time of a full salvo of 8 missiles 50 seconds
                        Cooldown 8 minutes
                      4. 0
                        16 March 2016 21: 51
                        Quote: professor
                        Promptly
                        Yeah. He hangs in the air for XNUMX hours and is in no hurry.

                        I think there is no particular problem for creating a disposable drone for reconnaissance purposes specifically for Polonaise.
                        Given that judging from the article
                        - warhead before hitting the target is separated from the marching engine
                        - Caliber 300 mm
                        - warhead weight 100-150 kg
                        For example, we can take the appearance and layout of gbu-39, instead of BB and a thick-walled case we set:
                        - tanks / accumulators;
                        - motchik, gasoline / electric;
                        - a transmitting satellite dish; the "Belarusian" communication satellite is already flying.
                        - camera / thermal imager / laser rangefinder;
                        - Naturally GPS for recording coordinates to all this stuff;
                        - you can shove another 10-15kg of explosives for self-liquidation or until the defeat of which after practicing the main salvo. Similar to how the Israeli barrage-impact HARP works (if I'm not mistaken with the model name).

                        And now - a one-time UAV for reconnaissance purposes - ready!


                        VO article: http://topwar.ru/14809-aviabomba-klassa-sdb-gbu-39.html
                        Actually TTX gbu-39
                        Weight, kg: ______ 113,5 kg (250 lbs)
                        Length, mm: ______ 1800 mm
                        Width, mm: _____ 190 mm
                        Appearance:
                      5. +2
                        16 March 2016 22: 04
                        Quote: prosto_rgb
                        I think there is no particular problem for creating a disposable drone for reconnaissance purposes specifically for Polonaise.

                        Already.
                        K1 suicide UAV

                        IAI Harop

                        Quote: prosto_rgb
                        and when working with "GPS" then "a few meters"

                        No.
                        Rockets have inertial and GPS guidance. CEP is about 30 meters.
                      6. 0
                        16 March 2016 22: 21
                        thank you
                        it was IAI Harop that was meant.

                        Rockets have inertial and GPS guidance. CEP is about 30 meters.
                        then it is clear. The question is removed.

                        Then it is logical to assume that during the tests some of the missiles deviated from the target by several meters, and some by 30.
    2. 0
      16 March 2016 21: 19
      Quote: professor
      30-50 m is very bad for such. I hope that the Belarusian statements about "several meters" are true.

      It is likely that
      accuracy of 30-50 m for inertial GOS,
      and when working with "GPS" then "a few meters"
  12. -1
    16 March 2016 14: 12
    Quote: Sveles
    Polonaise - Polish dance, what would it mean?

    Make psheks dance
  13. +3
    16 March 2016 14: 22
    Quote: ferro4
    burned - dear) Belarus will not write - "Belarus"))

    I am old-fashioned, as I used to, for example, the Belorussian SSR is closer to me.
  14. +3
    16 March 2016 16: 26
    It seems to me alone that this is NOT MLRS, but rather OTR?
    1. 0
      16 March 2016 19: 49
      It seemed to you. "Polonaise" remains a MLRS capable of firing a salvo.
  15. +3
    16 March 2016 18: 07
    in case of war Belarus will rockets from China to shove?
    1. +1
      16 March 2016 18: 11
      It seems that there is a screwdriver assembly, the containers are definitely produced, and accordingly the rocket is "forged" into a container already in Belarus.
    2. +1
      16 March 2016 21: 21
      The task is set to MAKE YOUR rocket with a range of over 500 km. The performers said it would be done, but maybe already done. That the missile guidance head here is done without question, but about the gunpowder and the engine it is not clear ...
      1. 0
        16 March 2016 22: 14
        so everything seems to be clear:
        http://vpk.name/news/146278_vpk_belarusi_forsiruet_raketnuyu_programmu.html
  16. PKK
    -5
    16 March 2016 18: 24
    Quote: Alexandr-NVR
    It seems to me alone that this is NOT MLRS, but rather OTR?

    Old Man is not versed in rockets, the Chinese slipped him a rocket, they said that the MLRS and he was addicted.
  17. -2
    16 March 2016 19: 21
    In vain ... it is they, that ... they contacted the Chinese.
    Cheap is not always good ...
    Especially considering the military-industrial complex.
    1. +1
      16 March 2016 21: 33
      The Chinese were contacted only for seed, to start from somewhere. Then Father set the task to MAKE YOUR ROCKET with a range of over 500 km. The performers said "let's do it". It is clear that But Father did not suck out of his finger about "his missile with a range of 500". And what about the rocket ... body, gunpowder, nozzle, charge, guidance head ...
  18. +1
    16 March 2016 22: 43
    Ryabov Kirill could more closely read the information on Belarusian websites about the Belarusian military-industrial complex.
    But what else to expect from the Imperials? They still believe that the Belarusians (by the way, almost 80% Russian-speaking) are stupid like, say, Africans (they are about those who specifically showed them to the defects in the design of the engine for the SU-27). Mr. President Lukashenko has set the task of establishing its own military production of missile technology in Belarus. And "Polonaise" is the current first swallow, followed by Aistenok.
    I have already given a list of actual military developments of the Republic of Belarus, I will not repeat myself, but a couple of links to open sources I will give:
    Type in the search engine "The Belarusian military-industrial complex is speeding up the missile program", "Video_ tests of the Belarusian chassis for the new Russian nuclear missile RS-26 _Rubezh", "The Belarusian army has embarked on the path of rearmament", "The defense sector works most effectively in the Belarusian industry" _
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  19. 0
    19 March 2016 14: 36
    Quote: serverny
    Quote: black
    Actually, in Belarus it’s not sweet right now. The people groan. Not to Polonez. Dancing around an empty wallet.

    Come on, tell us from the USA how "people groan" in Belarus ...
    What kind of reflex does all the "dumped" have - to sit on forums and throw mud at their homeland, coming up with all sorts of nonsense to the maximum? Does this make your life easier and sweeter?

    This is the syndrome of all who fell, they just justify themselves))
  20. 0
    19 March 2016 21: 52
    Finally, my suaychynniki litsviny-Belarusians have done a normal "thing". Now the corrupt Poles need to be in awe - Warsaw is really being covered with Polonaise from our territory. The name "Polonaise" is certainly controversial. For us Belarusians, this name "does not roll" - we have our own ancient language of the Balts-Slavs (Yatvyagi-Krivichi), in which there are many suitable words for the name of this MLRS. For example, "volat" (hero, strongman), "tour", "bison", "pomsnik" (avenger), "tsmok" (snake), etc. At worst, the MLRS could be called "Havaisya usse zhyvoe" - following the example of the self-propelled floating battery of the Baltic Fleet "Don't touch me."
    Although I also liked the version offered by the respected "sanya.vorodis" - "swaggering, corrupt Poles, say goodbye to your homeland" (We have Litvin-Belarusians to you a lot of claims: this is a falsified text of the first Kreva Union (this is when we saved Poland from destruction as a state, and 200 years later the Poles changed the text with the meaning "exactly the opposite"), this is the theft of the Royal the crown, which the Pope crowned our prince Vitovt the Great, is the "expropriation" of the lands of fraternal South Russians as a result of the Union of Lublin and ending with the rolled-up Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky's army, half of whom were ethnic Belarusians, called up from the territory of Belarsi). So, Poles, if that our gunners "will play you on the piano" Polonaise "under the curtain.
  21. 0
    19 March 2016 22: 42
    Finally, my suaychynniki litsviny-Belarusians have done a normal "thing". Now the corrupt Poles need to be in awe - Warsaw is really being covered with Polonaise from our territory. The name "Polonaise" is certainly controversial. For us Belarusians, this name "does not roll" - we have our own ancient language of the Balts-Slavs (Yatvyagi-Krivichi), in which there are many suitable words for the name of this MLRS. For example, "volat" (hero, strongman), "tour", "bison", "pomsnik" (avenger), "tsmok" (snake), etc. At worst, the MLRS could be called "Havaisya usse zhyvoe" - following the example of the self-propelled floating battery of the Baltic Fleet "Don't touch me."
    Although I also liked the version offered by the respected "sanya.vorodis" - "swaggering, corrupt Poles, say goodbye to your homeland" (We have Litvin-Belarusians to you a lot of claims: this is a falsified text of the first Kreva Union (this is when we saved Poland from destruction as a state, and 200 years later the Poles changed the text with the meaning "exactly the opposite"), this is the theft of the Royal the crown, which the Pope crowned our prince Vitovt the Great, is the "expropriation" of the lands of fraternal South Russians as a result of the Union of Lublin and ending with the rolled-up Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky's army, half of whom were ethnic Belarusians, called up from the territory of Belarsi). So, Poles, if that our gunners "will play you on the piano" Polonaise "under the curtain.
  22. 0
    20 March 2016 16: 42
    Quote: Former Combat
    Well amused so amused! The Chinese need the rights and secrets of production TARGET! It’s hard to come up with more fun. The country is launching satellites, tyconauts into space, planning soon to land a man and a tractor on the moon! What do you smoke comrade?
    And your pearl:
    Ours simply said - we will get to this range without UR from the "Tornado" cheap and angry


    What is the range of the Smerch and what is the Polonaise? "Smerch" did not stand next to these missiles. The planned range of the "Polonaise" is limited by some missile agreements and will be up to 200 km, and for internal use MORE than ... 500 km. So these weapons are from different songs. Next, about the "Chinese" electronics. Many in Russia apparently have long forgotten, and the jerks did not even know that in Belarus there is a solid enterprise producing electronics "Integral" called. So here it releases EVERYTHING NECESSARY for this system. By the way, half of the "Russian" electronics is also produced at this enterprise.

    A leavened patriot of the Belarusian spill? Is "Integral" a reputable enterprise producing "loose" according to topological standards of 0.35 microns? Dear, I will remind you that 0.35 microns were used at the end of the 70s. We do not have modern microelectronic production, and it is not expected. At 0.35 microns, only watch microcircuits can be made.

    The situation with this Polonaise is most likely the same as with the "production" of Chinese Jeelys: "Belarusian business".