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Subtle matter of import substitution

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Will a Russian soldier wear a uniform made from Russian fabrics?


Against the background of incessant disputes over whether the Superjet will fly with engines of domestic production and how to replace the power plants previously supplied by Ukraine for warships, the problem of developing and producing modern fabrics in Russia is not so visible. everyday uniform of military personnel.

The topic of import substitution is one of the most popular not only among politicians, leaders of the domestic defense industry at various levels, the media, but also among experts with specialists of varying degrees of awareness. Undoubtedly, over the last two years, our OPK has achieved certain results, in some places very noticeable, in areas such as engine-building, the manufacture of components for precision optics, and many others. There are certain changes in mechanical engineering, domestic high-precision machine tools appear.

But in other areas, the problem with the replacement of foreign components continues to be very acute, which causes some experts to say: the import substitution program is not being implemented.

Our costume, someone else's fabric

It is no secret that in recent years a large number of modern high-tech materials have appeared in the world, allowing to make the form not only more convenient and comfortable, but also quite versatile.

“After Gore-Tex established a wide release of its membrane in 80, which the leading countries of the world immediately began to use to manufacture wind-protective clothing sets for their armed forces, natural fabrics and materials gave way to synthetic ones,” Russian companies engaged in the manufacture of various items of clothing for security forces.

Until recently, in providing our army with uniform, it significantly lost to foreign ones. The trendsetter here is traditionally the United States, which developed and introduced two sets in the middle of the 2000-x - PCU and ECWCS. Each consists of seven layers, the combination of which, depending on the external conditions, allows servicemen to always be dressed according to the weather.

The basis of the seven-layer kit is the so-called fifth layer. The jacket and pants are made of softshell fabric, which blocks the wind well, but at the same time removes sweat and dries quickly. No less important is the seventh layer, popularly referred to as "teplyak". These are the warmed jacket and trousers which put on on halts not to freeze. Also, the “greenhouse” is worn when the temperature drops below minus 25 degrees. But the main requirement for the seventh layer is to be very warm and remove moisture, but at the same time take up little space, minimum weigh and roll up into a bundle, which is easily retracted into a backpack.

Similar multi-layer systems were developed in many countries of the world, in Russia this topic was taken up at least ten years ago. Currently, the kit called VKPO is an all-season kit of field uniforms (formerly called VKBO is an all-season kit of basic uniforms) manufactured by BTK-groups and accepted for supply by the Russian Armed Forces. Soon the troops will receive specialized multi-layer sets of field uniforms for extremely low temperatures, for conducting combat operations in the mountains and a number of other types of special uniforms.

For a long time, the VKPO-VKBO set was criticized for the fact that almost all of its elements were sewn of foreign fabrics and equipped with the same import fittings.

Ban with exception


It is clear that the range of fabrics and materials used in the sewing of the all-season kit of field (basic) clothing includes several dozen items. At the same time, it makes sense to isolate the most important components from the list, without the use of which WCPW will not meet the requirements set by the customer.

Subtle matter of import substitution


The military personnel interviewed by the Military-Industrial Courier, as well as specialists involved in the development and tailoring of field uniforms, identified three key components: the already mentioned windproof soft shell, membrane fabric and synthetic insulation.

It is noteworthy that if membrane firms and softshell firms producing field uniforms from different countries choose mostly arbitrary, since there are enough offers in this segment on the world market, then everything is unanimous in terms of insulation: today the standard of Primaloft is Silver and Gold.

“Primaloft Silver is most often used by manufacturers of the warmed seventh layer. Through the use of special technology, two types of fibers with different melting points are brought to a temperature when a certain part of them coalesces. It turns out a material with unique properties, thanks to which finished products not only perfectly protect against cold, but also remove moisture, and most importantly, which is very important for use in the army, for a long time without loss of their properties can be compressed ”, explains Technologist of one of the industrial production, familiar with the situation.

According to the "MIC", last year the BTK-groups applied to the Ministry of Industry and Trade for permission to purchase a certain amount of imported materials and components for the production of clothing and equipment.

On the one hand, such procurement is hampered by a government decree No. 791 of 11 of August 2014 of the year “On imposing a ban on the admission of light industry goods originating from foreign countries”. But there is a substantial reservation in the document that it is possible to acquire foreign products if the production of these goods in the territory of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Kazakhstan is absent.

The BTK list includes several items of softshell fabric, and the volume of purchases is measured in tens and hundreds of thousands of running meters. According to the list, the suppliers included such well-known manufacturers as the Swiss company Schoeller Textile AG and the American Miliken & Company.

The manufacturer of VKPO-VKBO also planned to purchase several types of synthetic insulation from Primaloft. As in the case of softshell, the amount of imported products, depending on the series, varied from tens to hundreds of thousands of meters.

BTK groups have not bypassed the membranes, having planned to purchase several hundred thousand meters of fabric with PTFE membrane from the already mentioned Swiss company Schoeller Textil AG. Currently, the "MIC" is not known for certain what decision was taken by the Ministry of Industry and Trade and whether the purchase of the specified materials and components was approved.

It turns out that of the three crucially important components of the VKPO-VKBO named by the interlocutors, all three manufacturing companies are forced to import.

In addition, according to the "MIC", the opportunity to purchase foreign materials, which gives the decision number 791, used when ordering uniforms and other security agencies.

We can, but not all


Based on the wording in the document developed by the government and signed by its head Dmitry Medvedev, it can be concluded that materials and components that are crucial for the production of field uniforms of Russian military personnel in our country, unfortunately, are not produced. But such reasoning is somewhat erroneous.

“At the core of the softshell wind protection fabric is polyamide 6,6. Yes, alas, there is currently no mass production of fabrics based on it, ”says Svetlana Lopandina, general director of the Central Research Institute of the Clothing Industry.

But the problem is not the backwardness of the Russian sewing industry.

“Earlier, Russian manufacturers have successfully mastered the manufacture of fabrics based on polyamide-6. Components for polyamide-6,6 are brought from abroad, plus you need to build production, purchase equipment. This is quite a serious financial investment. Domestic firms are ready to go for them only if they are provided with sustainable orders that make it possible to recoup the investments, ”explains Lopandina.

It is known that BTK-groups have already begun work on the production in Russia of fabrics based on polyamide-6,6. Previously, the company was able to master the production of knitted fabrics, similar to the widely known Polartek products. Currently, the Russian material is used for the manufacture of several layers in the set of VKPO.

“Although we jokingly call the third layer“ the fur of a strange animal ”and the fabric does not look like the American counterparts from PCU, but still these are domestic products and, most importantly, they are given free of charge. Moreover, it is not bad in its properties, ”the officer of one of the special-purpose brigades shares his impressions.

However, it would be a mistake to blame Russian manufacturers for not making all the necessary types of fabrics. In the States, the production of such materials - from the production of oil-based components to the creation of the canvas itself - is far from completely localized in the country. The same company Primaloft purchases materials from which the fibers of the famous heater are subsequently made, in Europe and East Asia.

“Now Russian manufacturers produce insulation not worse than Primaloft. In particular, at the end of last year, Thermopol presented us to test its new line of insulation, in some ways even superior to American counterparts, ”says Svetlana Lopandina.

However, while some domestic manufacturers and developers of field uniforms are still quite skeptical of Russian heaters, preferring to make products using proven imports. But the sources of the "military industrial complex" in the power departments and the Ministry of Defense of Russia noted that the price of products with American insulation after the fall of the ruble became unreasonably high.

What really is a serious problem in Russia is the production of membrane tissue. Leading manufacturers such as Gore-Tex and a number of others supply the Russian market not with the membrane itself, but with ready-made so-called packages in which the membrane is between two other types of fabrics. It is still difficult to compete with such products. At the same time, according to Svetlana Lopandina, Tchaikovsky Textile is already mastering the production of its own membrane bags, although the most important component is that the membrane still has to be purchased abroad.

The patient is rather alive

It must be admitted that the production of modern fabrics for special uniforms and uniforms is a rather high-tech area, requiring significant costs for the development and development of new materials. Moreover, it is, alas, almost completely unable to localize the entire production cycle even for the United States, not to mention European countries.

At the same time, despite the criticism, Russian manufacturers do not look as lagging as they seem at first glance. But for now, the lack of mass orders still remains a limiting factor in some areas.
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  1. ver_
    ver_ 27 February 2016 06: 28
    -28 qualifying.
    ..long, boring, not interesting ..
    1. Delink
      Delink 27 February 2016 08: 17
      11
      A lot and everything is laid out on shelves.
      Yes, not everything is done so quickly for us.
      Break production down to the bottom, and then you want it to recover as quickly?
      the same amount of time must pass before Russia begins to release its own domestic.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 28 February 2016 10: 00
        10
        15 years of prosperity, enormous budget revenues, oil 120 + each. I don’t even know what conditions and how much time is needed in this case. request
        1. bylec
          bylec 28 February 2016 15: 36
          -1
          there was a poor country, there were debts, production in ruins. and for 15 years in a fell swoop to heaven?
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 27 February 2016 08: 26
      +4
      But for now, the lack of bulk orders remains a limiting factor in some areas.

      I wonder what they put on the largest army, the PLA?
      Although this is a question on a separate topic, but still.
      The same company Primaloft buys materials from which the fibers of the famous insulation are subsequently made in Europe and East Asia.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 27 February 2016 10: 10
        +6
        They gave the ordinary a new uniform. He calls the foreman:
        - Comrade foreman, look, the shirt is all dirty,
        the tunic is torn, one leg is longer than the other, a cap
        whole curve. Yes, it's scary to look at this form!
        Foreman:
        - That's right, a warrior must inspire fear!
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 27 February 2016 17: 56
        +5
        I wonder what they put on the largest army, the PLA?


        Yes, practically the same thing that they put on all the armies of the world, including the US army. In the products of factories and factories in Guangdong. Moreover, the Chinese legislators of fabrics with special properties, using partially esterified bamboo cellulose, create very durable uniform fabrics. Apart from synthetics. Almost every average production is experimenting with it. The fabrics named in the article are not a new breakthrough. It would be interesting to know the purchase price.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 28 February 2016 10: 03
          +2
          You probably did not compare the real Gortex, with Chinese bullshit. Chinese Gortex is special, it does not let sweat pass, but it lets wind ...
    3. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 27 February 2016 09: 22
      +5
      In addition, there are strong doubts about the veracity. I don’t understand fabrics, but the phrase “will a Superjet fly with domestically produced engines” is a lie. Moreover, it is conscious, not accidental. This engine is a co-production with the French. Half of the engine is made by Saturn. There is a Ukrainian analogue - D-436. But even then there were problems with Ukraine, Motor Sich, Turboatom, etc. So we did the right thing. The share of Russian enterprises is gradually growing.

      So the author is A. Rammu minus. And this is not the first time that he has been noticed :( Maybe he is right in the tissues, but believing him is too risky. I don’t believe it.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 27 February 2016 10: 58
      +4
      So, in general, everyone needs domestic fabric. All the "light" industry was put under the knife.
    6. max702
      max702 27 February 2016 13: 15
      +9
      So they came to the main point: industry has no money for long-term projects, for the purchase of technologies and equipment, just as there is no money for the development and production of this .. And where should they come from? Correctly, the government of our state must take care, that is, give long-term loans at a minimum percentage! Alas, no! Consequently, the staged task will not be completed! until all the talk about import substitution has been put in place at the very top CONVENIENCE! Tales about the lack of money from the state, leave the suckers! For the purchase of green candy wrappers in the amount of 92bn there is, but not strategically necessary! Once again I repeat the order must be put on the top! Without all attempts are useless!
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      2. Old old
        Old old 28 February 2016 01: 32
        +7
        So they came to the main point: industry has no money for long-term projects, for the purchase of technologies and equipment, just as there is no money for the development and production of this .. And where should they come from? Correctly, the government of our state must take care, that is, give long-term loans at a minimum percentage! Alas, no! Consequently, the staged task will not be completed! until all the talk about import substitution has been put in order at the very top! Tales about the lack of money from the state, leave the suckers! For the purchase of green candy wrappers in the amount of 92 billion \ dol is, but not strategically necessary! Once again I repeat the order must be put on the top! Without this, all attempts are useless!

        If the profit is invested in the purchase of villas in Spain and London houses, then yes, there will be no money. And you can beg from the state to purchase equipment (and do not forget about the "golden parachute").
        How to divide the profit, so the state "do not indicate, we have a MARKET", how to develop and equip your own plant, so "give the state money"!
        In this you do not see anything vicious?
  2. yuriy55
    yuriy55 27 February 2016 06: 34
    +2
    I must admit that the production of modern fabrics for a special form of clothing and uniforms - a fairly high-tech field, requiring significant costs for the development and development of new materials.


    It must be admitted that, on the one hand, this is not difficult to do. It is enough to send a sufficient amount of funds to solve this problem ... yes
    On the other hand, it is very difficult to refuse the misuse of budget funds or to find these funds. Probably the government will have to stand in line with the outstretched hand to the Russian oligarchs, wait until they deign ... No.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 February 2016 06: 44
    +9
    They will invest in development - there will be an exhaust, and no worse than the mericatos. Without any doubt!
  4. aba
    aba 27 February 2016 06: 58
    +3
    Come on, special fabrics ... I already heard that there is no weaving in Russia. And why, all the same, we import all clothes from abroad.
    But so you can be a naked king ... sad
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 27 February 2016 07: 25
      10
      The site oper.ru has an article about how many "factories and ships" effective managers have ruined. The impression is that there is a war. And most - 2010
    2. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 27 February 2016 08: 00
      +4
      Quote: aba
      I have already heard that there is no weaving in Russia.



      There is no weaving production in Russia? Are you joking? Ivanovo is a continuous weaving factory. If desired, that he likes can be released.
  5. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 27 February 2016 07: 43
    13
    I don’t know how it is for the Armed Forces, but for a citizen in the life of import, substitution so far is expressed exclusively by rising prices. Yes, and sanitation products are openly on store shelves. The other day, our valiant government did not come up with anything better than raising excise taxes on fuel, which would certainly not make prices cheaper. In general, everything is as always, through the fifth point!
    1. tolian
      tolian 27 February 2016 11: 52
      +3
      Not through the fifth point, but through us. Well, and through whom else? Through Tolik Ryzhogo or Abramovich with fellow countrymen?
  6. DesToeR
    DesToeR 27 February 2016 08: 02
    +4
    Quote: ver_
    ..long, boring, not interesting ..

    To someone in the subject: too short, lively and interesting.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 27 February 2016 08: 24
      -2
      Quote: DesToeR
      To someone in the subject: too short, lively and interesting.



      And there are many here who are in the subject on this issue? I think not very much. The article appeared, sat around discussing and forgot.
  7. Nix1986
    Nix1986 27 February 2016 08: 07
    +3
    Poorly poor fabric, you can still buy, and you can fix the issue yourself. Traditionally, the real misfortune was our lack of an adequate elemental base, it’s enough to recall a bearded anecdote about the biggest calculators. And the element base is now one of the most important components of all equipment, SLAs, radar systems, avionics. If sanctions apply to this area, we won’t even be able to upgrade the T72 to B3 level (without a relatively good upgrade kit or not). That's where the bottleneck is with us. And organizing it is not so simple as building a Kevlar extrusion workshop. This is a long process, which also requires a scientific school. Therefore, the sooner we start plugging this bottleneck the better.
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  9. Tanysh
    Tanysh 27 February 2016 09: 20
    +6
    Lord, providing the army is only possible with planned (capitalist or socialist approach) until then Ivanovo and Tchaikovsky will produce fabrics on the old basis laid down in the USSR. Fabrics do not stand up to criticism !!!!!!!!!!! For the time being "Old Man" keeps its brand on Mogatex. If the government thought about the material and technical supply of the soldier, then at least the funds spent on R&D would not be taxed on profit. There are developments, but the implementation does not go through.
    VKPO is essentially a stealthy someone else's development. At the same time, the operational characteristics are deteriorated by simplifying the technical process. Each set must be re-adjusted for a specific soldier or we get "Monotonous, but ugly"
    Marshals without soldiers will not win the war. There is no front without a rear.
    So why ,,,,,,,,,
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 27 February 2016 09: 35
    +4
    Military uniforms play no less important role than weapons. It should be, first of all, functional, then reliable and beautiful whenever possible. It is difficult to imagine universal uniforms equally suitable for the airborne forces, naval forces and various other units of the Russian army. And even more so for the Arctic latitudes. Therefore, the differences have always been, are and will be.
  11. uzer 13
    uzer 13 27 February 2016 10: 06
    +2
    It is not necessary to copy a foreign manufacturer. Although the Goreteks jacket hangs in my closet, it is Bundeswehr, and in Russia such material will not be produced in the near future. Each layer needs its own machines, technologies and raw materials. The production of fabrics is something like which started the whole world industry, along the way, technologies were created for the production of nitro-powder and explosives on a nitro basis. Therefore, time is required for the development of production and there is no need to count on miracles. In the USSR, the melted cotton fabric for work suits without any synthetics is why she was good. Do you feel comfortable in such a suit? Can you recall the old forgotten for a start? Synthetics are good because it is light, you can spend the night in the field without a fire However, it is not very pleasant to move around in space. It is difficult to make a fabric that would perform all the necessary functions at once and could completely replace natural materials. Recall the saboteur’s costume: first, linen is worn, a net is worn on it, and the jumpsuit is made of strong gray fabric on top And. Until now, such a kit remains relevant, despite all the achievements of technological progress.
  12. lotar
    lotar 27 February 2016 11: 20
    +8
    Even at the university, one of my teachers said that you can catch up forever, but never catch up, since the one that is being caught is already ahead of the point that the laggard is aiming for. In my opinion, you should not invest in something that already exists and uses success now, and in what will be a successful project in the future. Something like that.
  13. mayhem
    mayhem 27 February 2016 12: 06
    +1
    if you create conditions for business guarantee state. an order, to give a loan with a deferred payment for a year at least, in order to manage to build the workshops, I think there will be a lot of people who want to, and besides, recently they showed production on the TV set that already makes fabric and reinforced threads for the RF Ministry of Defense!
  14. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 27 February 2016 14: 13
    0
    Quote: max702
    So they came to the main point: industry has no money for long-term projects, for the purchase of technologies and equipment, just as there is no money for the development and production of this .. And where should they come from? Correctly, the government of our state must take care, that is, give long-term loans at a minimum percentage! Alas, no! Consequently, the staged task will not be completed! until all the talk about import substitution has been put in place at the very top CONVENIENCE! Tales about the lack of money from the state, leave the suckers! For the purchase of green candy wrappers in the amount of 92bn there is, but not strategically necessary! Once again I repeat the order must be put on the top! Without all attempts are useless!

    I agree !! The bulk of people hang out and talk, but don’t understand that the time for words and freebies has passed. You need to think with your head and not look at the sums of oil, the dollar, and do not consider a panacea for replenishing the budget an increase in the retirement age and an increase in taxes for the average citizen .
    1. AFG-X
      AFG-X 27 February 2016 19: 07
      +1
      In my opinion, all this import substitution was organized to replace mainly Ukrainian components, which, if desired, could have been produced earlier. But they supported "fraternal" Ukraine. Really complex products
      (for example: industrial computers for CNC, precision stepper and servo drives) no one wants to produce from scratch because the easiest way is to buy ready-made and support foreign companies.
  15. Faust
    Faust 27 February 2016 14: 37
    +3
    For the sailors did nothing at all. The main form of clothing in Africa is underpants and homemade flip flops. It is especially critical with shoes, from fuel and lubricants it is destroyed before our eyes, we had to do it ourselves.
  16. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 27 February 2016 15: 58
    +2
    What are the associates worried about! Flora in the warehouses in bulk! Yes, and boots with footcloths, as well as steel helmets with "bras". Warmers again with pea jackets! Eeh, be afraid of the enemy!
  17. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 27 February 2016 15: 59
    0
    As always, we trust the products produced abroad more than our own! If there were orders, then everything would go much faster!
  18. Stoler
    Stoler 27 February 2016 16: 05
    +2
    Do you think that those who have money in Russia, will establish some kind of production, so that "THEN !!!", after self-sufficiency, get a profit ??? laughing laughing I'm laughing with you !!!! laughing laughing laughing laughing
  19. user3970
    user3970 27 February 2016 16: 58
    +3
    I’ll put in my five kopecks ... For a long time, in a past life I had to serve on Novaya Zemlya (Rogachevo airport, the garrison - Beluga Guba port, Black point - Matochkin Shar) Franz Joseph Land (Graham Bell, Nagurskaya). Separate polar air defense regiment. They fed classy, ​​quality, delicious. Cooks their soldiers after training, the officers came to the soldiers 'canteen to feed themselves, they also fed well in the officers' canteen, but the portions were unlike the soldier's smaller. As for clothes for such conditions: unlike usual warm winter underwear, on top - special sewing, an insulated jacket with a giant fur collar, which, if you lift it up and fasten it, covers you with your head and is locked with two buttons and then the collar raised upwards, closes with a hood. A-aa soplivchik still present, a piece of insulated fabric, which when picked up collar closes the chin and nose, throat as well as during breathing. When entering the post, fur coats made of chrome (top) and sheepskin (inside) and the same giant collar were used. The thing is unbearable, but I even managed to sleep in it at - 30. On the legs - boots or boots. I don’t remember anyone catching a cold. My personal experience of living in extreme conditions, and later in civilian life, hiking in the highest category of difficulty (6th), allows me to conclude: clothing is a secondary factor here, at -50 degrees. the absence of 1/4 oxygen (ZFI), or -30 deg. but with a wind of 60 - 90 m / s. , with a visibility of 0 meters (Novaya Zemlya), when alone blows off elementary, how much and for what body movements are you enough? The experience of Aboriginal life suggests: clothing - a cook (natural dressed sheep skin), food - raw ice cream deer meat (stroganina).
    1. SIT
      SIT 27 February 2016 18: 03
      +4
      Quote: user3970
      The experience of Aboriginal life suggests: clothing - a cook (natural dressed sheepskin)

      Initially, it was a deer fur garment. Fur in and out. You need to wear it on your naked body, then the tubular deer fur removes moisture. It is worth putting a vest under it and you will freeze because the vest will become wet with heavy traffic. Such a kitchenette is not very suitable for the army, not because there is nowhere to sculpt epaulettes, but because in case of injury the fur will fall into the wound, and this is 100% infection.
      1. Avantageur
        Avantageur 28 February 2016 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: SIT
        Quote: user3970
        The experience of Aboriginal life suggests: clothing - a cook (natural dressed sheepskin)

        Initially, it was a deer fur garment. Fur in and out. You need to wear it on your naked body, then the tubular deer fur removes moisture. It is worth putting a vest under it and you will freeze because the vest will become wet with heavy traffic. Such a kitchenette is not very suitable for the army, not because there is nowhere to sculpt epaulettes, but because in case of injury the fur will fall into the wound, and this is 100% infection.

        But what enemy is there in this village of Belushya Guba will shoot ... harp seal lol
        Unless some nomadic Nenets confuses with a deer and takes a buckshot with buckshot ...


  20. akula
    akula 27 February 2016 17: 09
    +1
    Quote: max702
    So they came to the main point: industry has no money for long-term projects, for the purchase of technologies and equipment, just as there is no money for the development and production of this .. And where should they come from? Correctly, the government of our state must take care, that is, give long-term loans at a minimum percentage! Alas, no! Consequently, the staged task will not be completed! until all the talk about import substitution has been put in place at the very top CONVENIENCE! Tales about the lack of money from the state, leave the suckers! For the purchase of green candy wrappers in the amount of 92bn there is, but not strategically necessary! Once again I repeat the order must be put on the top! Without all attempts are useless!

    Quote: max702
    So they came to the main point: industry has no money for long-term projects, for the purchase of technologies and equipment, just as there is no money for the development and production of this .. And where should they come from? Correctly, the government of our state must take care, that is, give long-term loans at a minimum percentage! Alas, no! Consequently, the staged task will not be completed! until all the talk about import substitution has been put in place at the very top CONVENIENCE! Tales about the lack of money from the state, leave the suckers! For the purchase of green candy wrappers in the amount of 92bn there is, but not strategically necessary! Once again I repeat the order must be put on the top! Without all attempts are useless!

    Buying green candy wrappers at 92bn / dl is a tribute to the Anglo-Saxons. And to avoid paying it, you need to defeat them. So far, Dmitry Donskoy has not been seen, so the Mongols have been paid for 300 years, and the Anglo-Saxons do not know how much we will ....
  21. SIT
    SIT 27 February 2016 18: 11
    +3
    Where is the exhaust from nanotechnology of Chubais panimais !? Why again copy the long gone, and even on their materials? We must look for a new, more perfect one. How to search? The old proven method is to call red Tolik and set him a specific task with a specific deadline. For failure to comply with all severity and with complete confiscation, if at least a penny from the allocated state funds goes to the left.
  22. Des10
    Des10 27 February 2016 18: 21
    +1
    Yes, membrane technologies, yes, heaters are all sorts of "halofiber", yes - uniforms are important.
    For specialists and norms. vl.sluzhivayus - really fulfilling tasks.
    For others, it’s quite normal. and our present form.
  23. Grif
    Grif 27 February 2016 20: 47
    +1
    Well, I don’t know, the Siberians in ordinary sheepskin coats won the battle near Moscow in 1941. Of the Germans, only those who took off their short fur coats from the murdered Red Army survived.
  24. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 28 February 2016 01: 45
    +2
    Money, government ..... again, everything is round-handed, business is squeezed, initiative is not allowed to develop .....
    Ours produced footcloths and they didn’t need anything at NAH, because - His Majesty the circulation ,,,,, profit and peace. Science thought, but the profit from this manufacturer was zero,
    And now I brought the old equipment from Poland for 100 thousand euros, and here's the upgrade for you .... mittens are warm .... a lot.

    The issue of development is a question of the NEEDS of a SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL, ABLE TO NOT ONLY THINK UP, BUT AND START THE PROCESS. I import substitutes .. hard, uncompromising. The Chinese even wavered. And only then that I WANT AND CAN (HAND) do it.
  25. rubidiy
    rubidiy 28 February 2016 02: 55
    +2
    so, by the way, the textile industry is the second in terms of high technology after aerospace. So it’s in many ways not only that it is necessary to rebuild after the devastation of the 90s; I do not doubt the availability of scientific developments on this topic, but I doubt the ability to raise an independent industry and provide orders. We have no people left who are able to take on such a thing. But people who are more likely to be welded up on imports purchased at exorbitant prices than to raise their own production will be raised in bulk.
    The trend is rather sad: the little that the heroic efforts of the collectives were not completely destroyed in the 90s now blooms and smells, and what wasn’t or was destroyed in the 90s cannot even go to the initial stages of production development, regardless from financing.
    There is not only political will, there is no legislation and personnel capable of solving such problems.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 28 February 2016 03: 18
      +1
      Quote: rubidiy
      ... in the ability to raise an independent industry and provide orders doubt

      You are right in doubt. Under the USSR, the country was "closed", so the concept of "competitiveness" ... but simply did not play a role. What was produced - then they will buy .. because there is still nothing else. So?

      The country is now "open", so:

      Quote: rubidiy
      ... people who are more likely to weld up on imports purchased at exorbitant prices than (censorship) will raise their own production, in bulk

      The problem, I repeat, is not to "raise" something there. The problem is that the products of your company are:
      1. Demanded by the consumer
      2. Competitive in the market. Roughly - at least not more expensive than imported products of similar quality.

      And to achieve this, oh-oh-oh-oh, how difficult ..

      In many ways, this is precisely why they do not dare ... "raise".

      IMHO yes
  26. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 28 February 2016 03: 15
    0
    ("Warrior". Russian armor of the future). TV program "Military acceptance". There is also about the production of fabrics in the Russian Federation, and much more.
  27. fa2998
    fa2998 28 February 2016 10: 48
    +3
    Quote: Galich Kos
    I don’t know how it is for the Armed Forces, but for a citizen in the life of import, substitution so far is expressed exclusively by rising prices. Yes, and sanitation products are openly on store shelves. The other day, our valiant government did not come up with anything better than raising excise taxes on fuel, which would certainly not make prices cheaper. In general, everything is as always, through the fifth point!

    In my opinion, the import substitution program has turned into a banal sawing of money. The state (budget) allocates money and it is "mastered." turned into a companion, some reports on TV, and an investment in the notorious NANO! negative hi
  28. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 28 February 2016 12: 30
    +2
    Where they were all with this renowned import substitution in well-fed zeroes, after all, it was not the children who should have understood that such an oil price was not eternal, but all the same, with the stubbornness of the madmen, they planted the country on an oil needle. But that was already in the eighties! And these same people continue to manage the economy. Incomprehensible!