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LAW C-200 in the XXI century

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After the creation of the US nuclear weapons Its main carriers until the mid 60-ies of the XX century were strategic long-range bombers. Due to the rapid growth of combat jet flight data aviationIn the 50s, the appearance of supersonic long-range bombers was predicted over the next decade. Work on such machines was actively conducted both in our country and in the USA. But unlike the USSR, the Americans could also deliver nuclear strikes with the help of bombers with no intercontinental range, operating from numerous bases along the borders with the Soviet Union.

Under these conditions, the task of creating a transported long-range anti-aircraft missile system capable of striking high-altitude speed targets has acquired particular relevance. Taken into service at the end of the 50, the C-75 ADMS, in its first modifications, had a launch range of a little more than 30 km. Creating defense lines to protect the administrative and industrial and defense centers of the USSR using these complexes was extremely costly. Especially acute was the need to protect from the most dangerous northern direction, it is the shortest flight route of the American strategic bombers in the event of a decision to deliver nuclear strikes.

The north of our country has always been a sparsely populated area, with a rare network of roads and vast spaces of almost impassable swamps, tundra and forests. To control huge spaces, a new mobile anti-aircraft complex was needed, with a large radius of action and reach in height. Specialists of the OKB-2, who were engaged in the creation of a new anti-aircraft system, in 1960 year was tasked to achieve the launch range with the defeat of supersonic targets - 110-120 km, and subsonic - 160-180 km.

At that time, the Nike-Hercules MIM-14 air defense system with a launch range of 130 km was already adopted in the USA. "Nike-Hercules" became the first long-range complex with a solid-fuel rocket, which greatly facilitated and cheapened its operation. But in the Soviet Union at the beginning of the 60's, effective recipes for solid fuel for long-range anti-aircraft missiles (SAMs) were not yet developed. Therefore, for the new Soviet long-range anti-aircraft missile they decided to use a liquid-propellant rocket engine (LRE) working on components that have already become traditional for domestic first-generation missile systems. Triethylaminoxylidine (TG-02) was used as a fuel, and nitric acid with the addition of nitrogen tetroxide was used as an oxidizing agent. The rocket was launched using four discharged solid-fuel boosters.

LAW C-200 in the XXI century


In the 1967 year, the long-range air defense system C-200А entered into service with the anti-aircraft missile forces of the USSR air defense (more details here: Long-range anti-aircraft missile system C-200) with a range of 180 km and reach height 20 km. In more sophisticated modifications: C-200В and С-200Д, the target destruction range was increased to 240 and 300 km, and the height reachability was 35 and 40 km. Other, much more modern anti-aircraft systems can be equal to such indicators of distance and height of defeat even today.

Talking about C-200, it is worthwhile to dwell in greater detail on the principle of targeting anti-aircraft missiles of this complex. Prior to that, in all Soviet air defense missile systems, radio command and control of missiles at the target was used. The advantage of radio command guidance is the relative simplicity of execution and the low cost of the guidance equipment. However, this scheme is very vulnerable to organized interference, as well as increasing the range of the anti-aircraft missile from the guidance station - the magnitude of the slip increases. It is for this reason that almost all of the American Nike-Hercules MIM-14 long-range missile defense systems in the United States were armed with nuclear warheads. When firing at a range close to the maximum, the magnitude of the miss of Nike-Hercules radio command missiles reached several tens of meters, which did not guarantee the destruction of the target by fragmentation warhead. The real range of the defeat of aircraft of front-line aviation with missiles that do not carry a nuclear warhead, at medium and high altitudes, was 60-70 km.

For many reasons, it was impossible in the USSR to arm all long-range anti-aircraft missile systems with nuclear warheads. Understanding the deadlock of this path, Soviet designers developed a semi-active homing system for the C-200 missiles. Unlike C-75 and C-125 radio command complexes, in which guidance commands were issued by SNR-75 and CHP-125 missile guidance stations, the target illumination radar (ROC) was used as part of the C-200 air defense system. The Russian Orthodox Church could seize the target and switch to its auto-tracking by the homing head (GOS) of the Zur at a distance of 400 km.


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Reflected from the target probe signal of the ROC was taken by the homing head Zour, after which it was captured. With the help of the ROC also determined the distance to the target and the affected area. Since the launch of the rocket, the ROC has been continuously highlighting the target for the GOS anti-aircraft missile. Control of missile defense on the trajectory was carried out using the control defendant, which is part of the onboard equipment. Undermining the missile warhead in the target area was carried out with a non-contact semi-active fuse. As part of the C-200 air defense system, a digital computer “Flame” digital computer first appeared. It was entrusted with the task of determining the optimal start-up time and the exchange of coordinate and command information with higher command posts. When conducting combat work, the complex receives target designations from the radar of the circular review and radio altimeter.

Thanks to the use of anti-aircraft missiles with a semi-active GOS as part of the C-200 air defense missile system, radio interference, previously used for blinding C-75 and C-125, became ineffective against it. According to the source of powerful noise interference, “dvuhsotki” was even easier to work than the target. In this case, it is possible to launch the rocket in the passive mode with the ROC turned off. Taking into account the fact that C-200 air defense systems were usually included in anti-aircraft missile brigades of mixed composition with C-75 and C-125 radio command, this circumstance significantly expanded the range of combat capabilities of brigade fire-fighting equipment. In peacetime, the C-200, C-75 and C-125 complexes complemented each other, making it significantly more difficult for the enemy to carry out reconnaissance and electronic warfare. After the start of the massive deployment of the C-200 air defense system, the country's air defense forces gained a “long arm”, which made the US and NATO aircraft respectful of the integrity of our air borders. As a rule, taking on the support of the ROC of the intruder forced him to retreat as quickly as possible.

The C-200 complex included shooting channels (ROC), a command post and diesel generators. The firing channel consisted of a target illumination radar, a launch position with a launch pad system for six launchers, twelve charging machines, a launch preparation booth, a power station and roads for launching rockets and loading launchers. The combination of the command post and two or three shooting channels of the C-200 was called the group of fire divisions.

Although the C-200 SAM system was considered portable, changing its firing positions for it was very difficult and time consuming. The relocation of the complex required several dozen trailers, tractors and heavy trucks with off-road capability. C-200, as a rule, were placed on a long-term basis, in engineering-equipped positions. Concrete structures with earthen bulk shelter were built to accommodate part of the radio-electronic battery combat equipment at the prepared stationary position of fire divisions to protect the equipment and personnel.

Maintenance, refueling, transporting and loading missiles on the "guns" was very difficult. The use of toxic fuel in rockets and an aggressive oxidizing agent implied the use of special means of protection. During the operation of the complex, careful observance of the established rules and very careful handling of the missiles was necessary. Unfortunately, the neglect of the means of protecting the skin and respiratory organs and the violation of the refueling technique often led to serious consequences. The situation was aggravated by the fact that conscripts from the Central Asian republics with low performing discipline were usually involved in the work at the starting positions and refueling of rockets. No less a threat to health was the high-frequency radiation of the hardware of the complex. In this respect, the illumination radar was much more dangerous than the CHP-75 and CHP-125 guidance stations.

Being one of the pillars of the country's air defense forces, until the collapse of the USSR, the C-200 air defense system regularly underwent repairs and upgrades, and the personnel went on test firing to Kazakhstan. As of 1990, the year in the USSR more than 200 СРК-200А / В / Д (modifications “Angara”, “Vega”, “Dubna”) were built. Only a country with a planned-command economy, where the expenditure of public funds was tightly controlled, could produce and maintain such a number of very expensive complexes, even if they possess unique characteristics at that time, to build capital firing and technical positions for them.

The reforms of the economy and the armed forces of Russia that had begun began to roll over the country's air defense forces. After combining them with the Air Force, the number of medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft complexes has decreased by about 10. As a result, entire regions of the country were left without anti-aircraft cover. This primarily concerns the territory beyond the Urals. Established in the USSR, a harmonious, multi-level system of defense against air attack weapons was in fact destroyed. In addition to the anti-aircraft complexes throughout the country ruthlessly destroyed: the capital fortified positions, command posts, communications centers, missile arsenals, barracks and residential towns. At the end of 90-x it was already discussed only about focal defense. Until now, only the Moscow industrial region and partly the Leningrad region are adequately covered.

We can definitely say that our “reformers” hurried with the write-off and transfer “for storage” of the last C-200 long-range options. While it is still possible to agree with the rejection of the old C-75 air defense systems, the role of the “two-hundred” in the integrity of our air borders is difficult to overestimate. This applies in particular to the complexes that were deployed in the European north and the Far East. The last C-200 in Russia, deployed near Norilsk and in the Kaliningrad region, were decommissioned at the end of the 90s, after which they were transferred to "storage". I think it is not a special secret how the complicated equipment was “kept” in our company, in the electronic units of which there were radio components containing precious metals. For several years, most of the mothballed C-200 was mercilessly plundered. Writing them off for scrap during the “Serdyukovschiny” period was, in fact, a formal signing of the “death sentence” to the “dead” anti-aircraft complexes.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the C-200 air defense system of various modifications was at the disposal of many former Soviet republics. But to exploit and maintain them in working order, it turned out to be by no means all.


SAM of C-200 complex at a military parade in Baku in 2010 year


Until about 2014, four divisions were in combat duty in Azerbaijan, in the Yevlakh region and east of Baku. The decision on their decommissioning was taken after the Azerbaijani servicemen mastered three S-2011PMU300 air defense systems received from Russia in 2.

In 2010, in Belarus, formally, the system still had four C-200 sr. As of 2015 year, they are all decommissioned. Apparently, the last combat duty of the Belarusian C-200 was a complex near Novopolotsk.

Several C-200 complexes are still serving in Kazakhstan. In 2015, the anti-aircraft missiles of the C-200 complex were demonstrated at the anniversary Victory Parade in Astana, along with the C-300П launchers. Positions for a single C-200 air defense system have been equipped in the Aktau region not so long ago, there is another developed division north-west of Karaganda.


Google Earth snapshot: С-200 air defense system in Karaganda region


It is not known which C-200 modifications are still exploited in Kazakhstan, but it is quite possible that these are the most modern C-200Ds remaining at the Sary-Shagan test site after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The tests of the C-200-DST with the 5В28М rocket with the distant zone of destruction to 300 km were completed in the 1987 year.

In Turkmenistan, in the area of ​​the airfield of Mary, on the border of the desert, it is still possible to observe equipped positions for two places. And although there are no missiles on the launchers, the entire infrastructure of the anti-aircraft complexes is preserved and the ROC is maintained in working condition. Cleared from sand access roads and technical positions.



On the military parades held in Ashgabat, colored anti-aircraft missiles for the C-200 are regularly demonstrated. How well they work is unknown. It is also not clear why Turkmenistan needs this rather complex and expensive to operate long-range complex, and what role it plays in ensuring the country's defense capability.

Until the end of 2013, the C-200 air defense system guarded the airspace of Ukraine. About Ukrainian complexes of this type should be described in more detail. Ukraine inherited a huge military legacy from the USSR. C-200 alone - more than 20 srn. At first, the Ukrainian leadership squandered this wealth to the right and left, selling off military equipment, equipment and weapons at bargain prices. However, unlike in Russia, Ukraine did not produce self-contained air defense missiles on its own, and there was a chronical lack of money for the purchase of new complexes abroad. In this situation, an attempt was made at the Ukroboronservis enterprises to organize the repair and modernization of C-200. However, things have not progressed beyond the declaration of intent and advertising booklets. In the future, in Ukraine, it was decided to concentrate on the repair and modernization of the C-300PT / PS substation.



4 October 2001 during the major exercises of the Ukrainian air defense forces in the Crimea, there was a tragic incident. The missile of the Ukrainian C-200 complex, launched from Cape Opuk, was inadvertently shot down by the Russian Tu-154 of Siberia Airlines, operating a flight on the Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk route. All crew members and 12 passengers aboard the 66 died. The accident occurred due to poor preparation for test shooting and the necessary measures to free the airspace were not taken. The size of the landfill did not provide security for firing long-range anti-aircraft missiles. During Soviet times, the control and training firing of the C-200 SAMs were carried out only at the Sary-Shagan and Ashluk test sites. The low qualification of the Ukrainian calculations and nervousness caused by the presence of the highest Ukrainian command and foreign guests also played their part. After this incident, all launches of long-range anti-aircraft missiles were banned in Ukraine, which adversely affected the level of combat training of calculations and the ability of the air defense forces to perform assigned tasks.

From the middle of the 80-s, the C-200В SAM system was shipped abroad under the C-200ВЭ index. The first overseas C-200 deliveries began in 1984. After the defeat of the Syrian air defense system in the course of the next conflict with Israel from the USSR, the 4 C-200B was sent. At the first stage, the Syrian "dvuhsotki" managed and serviced by the Soviet calculations of the anti-aircraft missile regiments deployed under Tula and Pereslavl-Zalessky. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the Soviet military personnel, in cooperation with the air defense units of Syria, were to reflect Israeli air raids. After the C-200B-based air defense system began combat duty, and the ROC began to take Israeli airplanes on a regular basis, Israeli aviation activity in the affected area of ​​the complexes sharply decreased.


Google Earth snapshot: Syrian C-200BE air defense system in the vicinity of Tartus


In total, from 1984 to 1988, the Syrian air defense forces received 8 ADMS C-200ВЭ (channels) 4 technical positions (TP) and 144 B-880E missiles. These complexes were deployed in positions in the area of ​​Homs and Damascus. How many of them survived the incessant civil war in Syria for several years is difficult to say. Syria’s air defense system has suffered a great deal over the past few years. As a result of sabotage and shelling, a significant part of the anti-aircraft complexes deployed in stationary positions was destroyed or damaged. Perhaps the cumbersome C-200 with its capital firing and technical positions is the most vulnerable to the attacks of the militants from all the anti-aircraft systems in Syria.



An even more sad fate befell the X-NUMX C-8BE air defense missiles delivered to Libya. These long-range systems were the number one targets for NATO’s pre-emptive strikes. At the time of the beginning of the aggression against Libya, the technical readiness ratio of the Libyan anti-aircraft complexes was low, and the professional skills of the calculations left much to be desired. As a result, the Libyan air defense system was suppressed, not providing any resistance to air attack weapons.


Google earth snapshot: destroyed firing position of the Libyan S-200VE air defense missile system in Qasr Abu Hadi


It cannot be said that in Libya there were no attempts at all to improve the combat characteristics of the existing C-200BEs. Given that the C-200 mobility has always been its “Achilles heel”, at the beginning of the 2000-s, with the participation of foreign experts, a mobile version of the complex was developed.



For this purpose, the launcher of the complex was installed on the MAZ-543 heavy-duty under-terrain chassis, placing a rocket between the cabins, in the type OTR P-17. The guidance radar was also mounted on the MAZ-543. The means of technical and material support were placed on the basis of KrAZ-255B road trains. However, this project has not received further development. Muammar Gaddafi preferred to spend money on bribing and election campaigns of European politicians, as it seemed to him - loyal to Libya.

In the second half of the 80-s, deliveries of the C-200VE air defense systems to the Warsaw Pact countries began. But in quantitative terms, the export of C-200 and missiles to them was very limited. So Bulgaria received all 2 ZRK C-200ВE (channels), 1 TP and 26 missiles B-880E. The Bulgarian "dvuhsotki" were deployed in 20 km northwest of Sofia, near the village of Gradets and were on combat duty until the beginning of the 2000-x. Elements of the C-200 complexes still remain in the area, but without the missiles on the launchers.

In 1985, the 2 ZRK C-200ВЭ (channels) 1 ТП and 44 missiles В-880Э were also received by Hungary. For C-200, positions were built near the town of Mezofalva in the central part of the country. From this point, thanks to the long-range launch, the ZRK could control almost the entire territory of Hungary. After serving around 15 years3, the Hungarian Vegi-E were decommissioned and were in this area until 2007, except for C-200, in the fire and technical positions, C-75 and C-125 were also stored.

In the GDR, 4 ZRK C-200VE (channels) 2 TP and 142 B-880E missiles were delivered. After serving for about 5 years, East German anti-aircraft complexes were removed from combat duty shortly after the unification with the Federal Republic of Germany.


Google Earth snapshot: C-75, C-125 and C-200 missile defense systems in the Berlin Aviation Museum


The German C-200BE were the first complexes of this type to which the Americans had access. Having studied the ROC, they noted its high energy potential, noise immunity and automation of combat work processes. But a large number of used vacuum devices in the hardware of the complex plunged them into shock.



The conclusion of the survey says that the relocation of the complex and the equipment of fire and technical positions is a very difficult task and the C-200 air defense system, in fact, is stationary. With very good range and altitude rockets, refueling and transporting them with fuel was considered unacceptably complex and dangerous.

Almost at the same time as the GDR, two C-200ВE air defense systems (channels), 1 TP and 38 B-880E missiles were delivered to Poland. The Poles deployed two “Vegs” in the West Pomeranian Voivodeship on the Baltic Sea coast. It is unlikely that these complexes are now operational, but the illumination radars and launchers without missiles are still in position.

Czechoslovakia became the last country, where, before the collapse of the "Eastern Bloc", they managed to deliver "two hundred". In total, the Czechs received 3 ZRK C-200BE (channels), 1 TP and 36 B-880E missiles. Together with the C-300PS ZRS, they defended Prague from the west. After the “divorce” with Slovakia in 1993, the anti-aircraft complexes were transferred to Slovakia. But before putting them into operation in the composition of the air defense forces of the Slovak Republic, the matter never came.

C-200VE are on duty in the DPRK. North Korea acquired two S-200VE air defense systems (channels), 1 TP and 72 ZUR V-880E in 1987. What is the technical condition of the North Korean "Vega" is unknown, but in the areas where they are located, numerous false positions are equipped and antiaircraft artillery batteries are deployed. According to media reports, the radiation characteristic of the work of the ROC ZRK C-200, recorded by South Korean and American radio intelligence near the line of demarcation. Being located in border areas (front lines in North Korean terminology) C-200 are capable of hitting air targets over most of the territory of South Korea. It remains a mystery in which the composition of the North Korean anti-aircraft complexes relocated to the border. It is possible that Kim Jong-un is bluffing, having decided to simply unnerve South Korean and American pilots, transferring only the target illumination station to the border, without anti-aircraft missiles.

In the 1992 year, the 3 C-200ВE (channels) and 48 B-880E ADMS were shipped from Russia to Iran. The Iranians used a very unusual layout for firing positions, for each ROC there are only two launchers with missiles.


Google Earth snapshot: Iranian C-200VE air defense launchers near the town of Isfahan


Iranian long-range complexes, evenly distributed throughout the country, are deployed near air bases and strategic facilities. The Iranian leadership attaches great importance to keeping the existing C-200 in working condition.



The Iranian Air Defense Forces regularly undergo exercises with practical launches of the missiles of these complexes on aerial targets. Western intelligence services have repeatedly recorded attempts to acquire Iranian representatives of anti-aircraft missiles, spare parts and electric generators for the C-200 air defense system. According to information published in the Iranian media, Iran has been renovated and upgraded long-range anti-aircraft missiles. It is likely that we are talking about used ZUR acquired abroad.

Several complexes from Eastern European countries sailed overseas. Of course, we are not talking about copying Soviet 60 rocket technologies. On the American aircraft test sites were radars highlighting the C-200 SAM system. However, not only they, there are stations for guidance of Soviet, Chinese, European and American complexes that are in service in non-US satellite countries. This also applies to the guidance equipment of the following systems: Crotal, Rapier, Hawk, HQ-2, C-125, C-75 and C-300.

According to the methodology for training combat pilots adopted in the United States after the end of the Vietnam War, at least one anti-aircraft complex of a certain type exists on the territory of a potential theater of operations — countermeasures are being worked against it. Therefore, in the course of training and various kinds of exercises, special technical services and units responsible for simulating enemy air defenses use radio equipment that is not in service with the United States.

Although the C-200 air defense system did not receive such widespread combat experience as the C-75 and C-125 and in the Russian anti-aircraft missile forces was quickly superseded by the more modern C-300P air defense systems, it left a noticeable mark stories the country's air defense forces. Apparently, in the air defense forces of a number of countries, C-200 complexes will still be in operation for at least the next 10 years.

Based on:
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/zrs_s-200ve.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/257111.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-200VE-Vega.html
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  1. inkass_98
    inkass_98 29 February 2016 08: 07
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    But a large number of electrovacuum devices used in the hardware of the complex shocked them.
    But such devices gave higher characteristics than semiconductors, and they are more resistant to EMR. That's just the weight and excess heat are a negative factor.
    1. Bongo
      29 February 2016 08: 49
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      Quote: inkass_98
      But such devices gave higher characteristics than semiconductors, and they are more resistant to EMR. That's just the weight and excess heat are a negative factor.


      It depends on what equipment, somewhere compactness was more important. As for the greater resistance to EMP, I agree with you, but in the event of a close nuclear explosion, the reliability of the equipment on the electrovacuum equipment is not so much higher than the semiconductor one, as is commonly believed among ordinary people. I was always amused by the inscription - "When you notice the outbreak of a nuclear explosion, turn off the high." lol
      In the same "Vega" lamps were used in circuits along with transistors and even microcircuits in some places. But in terms of size, reliability and power consumption of solid-state electronics, it is much preferable. On the other hand, spare parts with lamps for Vega in the 70-80s were an inexhaustible source of spare parts for the repair of black-and-white and color TVs.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 29 February 2016 11: 13
        +5
        Quote: Bongo
        "When you notice the outbreak of a nuclear explosion, turn off the high."

        laughing
        I will say more: in the Missile Forces - upon detection of a (hardware) nuclear explosive - the communication / power supply systems are literally cut at the entrance to the mine complex. It becomes 100% autonomous and, after decreasing the EMR, self-restores and starts.
    2. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 29 February 2016 08: 56
      17
      These devices also consumed a huge amount of electricity, had low reliability, I was simply silent about the weight and size characteristics. When I saw the FIFF VOLKAN control station on the American destroyer, I was in shock. I was engaged in MP-123 (Vympel) at that time. It was more than half a lamp. If you want to know what the MT standards were, the time between failures will be in shock for 25 hours. And the weight of the equipment was almost 5 tons! At the same time, there was only a two-channel station with a maximum detection distance of -45 km. ameri antsy in shoke.A I tell you also about access memory (RAM) on ferrite rings in the mid-80s, I can tell you he had seen.
      1. Lekov L
        Lekov L 29 February 2016 09: 04
        13
        And the memory on ferrite rings at all 200x on the "Flame KV" digital computer stands, such hefty plates with wires smile
        So now in Kazakhstan and Iran you can look.
        Energy intensity and size due to such decisions - yes! fellow But there is a well-established technology of production and operation.
        She satisfied the Customer at the time - she is used until something new appears (at the request of the same Customer)
        Life is like this, and the fighters don't always change the best for the good — conservatives.
        What is right.
        Sincerely ...
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          1. Throw
            Throw 29 February 2016 09: 57
            +7
            Fucking a little, but everything is replaceable and meritorious ...
        2. andj61
          andj61 29 February 2016 10: 28
          +7
          Quote: Lekov L
          And the memory on ferrite rings at all 200x on the "Flame KV" digital computer stands, such hefty plates with wires

          Right! But taking into account redundancy, the hardware reliability of the S-200 equipment was very high.
          And the task of ensuring reliable air defense of the country was solved precisely with the help of this complex. The air defense that the USSR had in the mid-80s, Russia now does not, and will not be very soon.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 1 March 2016 00: 30
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            The air defense that the USSR had in the mid-80s, Russia now does not, and will not be very soon.

            In 1969, in May, when called up, our Komsomolsky air defense system was armed with the 4th S-75 air defense system and the S-200 air defense system was being built. When I went on demobilization in 1971, there were seven fire divisions in the regiment and the positions for three S-125 divisions. I do not consider fighter aircraft. This was how Komsomolsk-on-Amur was closed. Despite the fact that the position of the 3-channel S-200 was being built, the positions of the 2nd and 4th divisions were transferred .Here, by these examples you can only judge about one air defense facility on the St. Sergey! Thank you for the article.The photo on the screen saver resembles the landscapes that we went near Komsomolsk from their positions.
            1. Egg
              Egg 1 March 2016 13: 32
              +4
              The second year in the army, with 1985-1986 he served in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a group of S-200 divisions, a technical division. We stood on a hill above Komsomolsk.
              The Amur division also belonged to our group of divisions, we went there to service missiles.
              The first year, after training, he served at C-125 in the village. Start
              1. Bongo
                1 March 2016 13: 41
                +3
                Quote: Telur
                The second year in the army, with 1985-1986 he served in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a group of S-200 divisions, a technical division. We stood on a hill above Komsomolsk.
                The Amur division also belonged to our group of divisions, we went there to service missiles.
                The first year, after training, he served at C-125 in the village. Start

                These positions have long been gone, everything is destroyed crying In 1995, a tragic incident occurred at the positions of the strategic missile forces near the village of Start. Three conscripts decided to disassemble the warhead with the help of a chisel and a sledgehammer. After the explosion of 60 kg warhead equipped with an alloy of TNT with RDX in the rock, a funnel of 1X1,5 meter was formed. And on the trees in the district were bloody ribbons of HB.
        3. Rus2012
          Rus2012 29 February 2016 11: 44
          0
          Quote: Lekov L
          Life is like this, and the fighters don't always change the best for the good — conservatives.

          ... life makes!
          Previously, weapons and equipment could be stored for tens and decades without any damage -
          blades, peaks, small arms: rifles, machine guns, cartridges, shells, art tools ...

          When the electronics arrived, the shelf life was already limited to 25 years.
          When electrolytic capacitors and some other elements went - less than 10let ...
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 29 February 2016 19: 28
            +6
            Quote: Rus2012
            When electrolytic capacitors and some other elements went - less than 10 years ..

            By the way, the other day, in bins, an electrolyte of 1968 from a military unit (you know, with an asterisk icon) was caught, measured - as it says 100 microfarads. and there is! That was the quality of components for the military-industrial complex! good
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 February 2016 10: 32
        +7
        Quote: Dimon19661
        These devices also consumed a huge amount of electricity, had low reliability, I simply am silent about the mass-dimensional characteristics.

        Yeah ... and they were also powered by high voltage and had a bad feature of "leaving" characteristics when the complex was turned on (during warming up). I remember my native training S-125: the first points of the "prayer" were to check and, if necessary, set the supply voltage. Checked out. They put it up. Have worked blocks in racks for 30 minutes - start over. smile
        Well, a chic paragraph of the safety instructions: "Do not touch high voltage.". Everything is logical: if you touched it, it means that it is your own fault, you have violated TB. But it should have been there or not - it does not matter. smile
        1. Ale.xey
          Ale.xey 29 February 2016 22: 56
          0
          On the 75th, the nourishing ones didn't seem to go that way. And with high we have twisted enough. You probably also locked the transmitter in the lock when you searched for a malfunction?
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 29 February 2016 11: 36
        +9
        Quote: Dimon19661
        These devices also consumed a huge amount of electricity, had low reliability, I simply am silent about the mass-dimensional characteristics.


        ... you have not seen vacuum tube technology for other uses. When heating and maintenance of lamp emission is performed by a single indirect / third-party source, it is practically cost-free. And the size of these lamps, the micro "acorn" in the corner is crying - they would surely be in shock!
        In the photo below, a mini acorn.

        Special applications of electronic lampsunsurpassed so far -
        If it is necessary to rectify or quickly commute several tens of kilovolts, which cannot be carried out with mechanical keys, it is necessary to use radio tubes. So, the kenotron provides acceptable dynamics at voltages up to a million volts.

        Military application
        Due to the principle of operation, electronic lamps are devices that are much more resistant to such damaging factors as electromagnetic pulse. In a single device can be several hundred lamps. In the USSR, for use in on-board military equipment in the 1950-s, rod lamps, acorn lamps, mini-acorns, micro-acorns ... unified platforms were developed - characterized by their small size and high mechanical strength.

        Space technology
        Radiation degradation of semiconductor materials and the presence of a natural vacuum in the interplanetary medium make the use of certain types of lamps a means of increasing the reliability and durability of spacecraft. Example: the use of transistors in AMC "Luna-3" was associated with great risk.

        Elevated temperature and radiation(Chernobyl, for example, the Japanese robots refused, but the Kurchatov and Mvtushny ones worked)
        Tube equipment can be designed for a larger temperature and radiation range of conditions than semiconductor.

        laughing
        1. Dimon19661
          Dimon19661 29 February 2016 12: 03
          +6
          I not only saw a similar technique, but also worked with it.
          Almost everything that you have listed is hopelessly outdated. Only lamps such as magnetrons and amplitrons are widely used in the military industry, but they are a thing of the past due to the transition to AFAR.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 29 February 2016 16: 55
            +3
            Quote: Dimon19661
            I not only saw a similar technique, but also worked with it.
            Almost everything you listed is hopelessly outdated.

            ... so everything is outdated? laughing
            For example, a device for activating nuclear warheads in conditions of special effects? bully
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 February 2016 19: 19
        +3
        Quote: Dimon19661
        These devices also consumed a huge amount of electricity, had low reliability.

        The characteristics of the lamp during operation change, therefore, in the presence of a large number of electrovacuum devices, it is necessary to constantly adjust the equipment. In some nodes, lamps were also selected according to parameters. Semiconductor devices are much more stable in operation. hi
      5. opus
        opus 1 March 2016 13: 42
        +5
        Quote: Dimon19661
        When I saw an American destroyer FIFE, the control station VOLCANO FALANX was shocked

        on USS Fife (DD-991) 2 pieces of Phalanx (Block 1A), but 0 is already modern


        After the 70s, a strong update took place in the US Navy in (under) the fire contol computer installation itself is quite familiar




        You probably looked at the case below.

        or in these cabinets? wink
        Mark 8 Mod 6 or 7



        or in the Fire Control Switchboard


        ------------------------
        about "analogs" you will be surprised
        Advanced Gun System (AGS fire control systems) for U.S. Navy Zumwalt chose analog power supplies from Behlman Electronics DCS1000D, DCS1000T, DCS2000D and DCS2000T
  2. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 29 February 2016 09: 12
    +5
    I always read with interest materials about air defense systems, especially about domestic ones, thanks to the author for his work, I look forward to continuing hi
  3. Bongo
    29 February 2016 09: 28
    +8
    Quote: Lekov L
    And the memory on ferrite rings at all 200x on the "Flame KV" digital computer stands, such hefty plates with wires
    So now in Kazakhstan and Iran you can look.

    Until the early 2000s, the troops operated communication equipment with memory blocks on ferrite rings and magnetic recording on the tracks of a constantly rotating stainless steel disk. Studying the schemes, the youth simply fucked up ... wassat
  4. aviator1913
    aviator1913 29 February 2016 09: 30
    +4
    According to the methodology for training combat pilots adopted in the United States after the end of the Vietnam War, at least one anti-aircraft complex of a certain type exists on the territory of a potential theater of operations — countermeasures are being worked against it. Therefore, in the course of training and various kinds of exercises, special technical services and units responsible for simulating enemy air defenses use radio equipment that is not in service with the United States.


    Good workout. I hope our VKS will also gain enemy air defense systems somewhere else, otherwise, in contact with the enemy, or being in a dangerous area (Syria, for example) we can get losses.
    1. Bongo
      29 February 2016 09: 33
      +5
      Quote: aviator1913
      Good workout. I hope our VKS will also gain enemy air defense systems somewhere else, otherwise, in contact with the enemy, or being in a dangerous area (Syria, for example) we can get losses.

      The fact is that our troops are much more saturated with air defense systems than NATO units.
      We won't get an American Patriot in the near future, and Avenger, by and large, is nothing more than a Stinger on a car chassis.
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 29 February 2016 10: 56
        0
        The fact is that our troops are much more saturated with air defense systems than NATO units.
        Let's get an American "Patriot", we will not be shining anytime soon


        The area where our videoconferencing systems are now working is very saturated with various air defense systems, and this is not only the Patriot:

        In total, Saudi Arabian air defense forces are armed with the 144 Patriot air defense missile system, the 128 MIM-23 air defense system Advanced Hock, the 141 self-propelled air defense system Shahin and the 40 air defense missile system Krotal



        and these are only Saudis, but there are also Turks with their systems and many others. At least a few air defense systems are supposed to be bought, these are not nuclear charges to hide them like that .. all the more, all the elements are not needed, you can buy in parts .. and I think this is necessary.
        1. Bongo
          1 March 2016 04: 06
          +4
          Quote: aviator1913
          In total, Saudi Arabian air defense forces are armed with the 144 Patriot air defense missile system, the 128 MIM-23 air defense system Advanced Hock, the 141 self-propelled air defense system Shahin and the 40 air defense missile system Krotal

          Saudi "Us Hock" will be decommissioned in the near future, the modernization of these complexes was not carried out and the storage period of the missiles has long expired. SAM "Shakhin" and "Krotal" - this is essentially the same complex with a radio command missile defense system in many respects similar to our "Wasp".
      2. cheguevarazhiv
        cheguevarazhiv 29 February 2016 13: 10
        -4
        Everything has long been worth the plow being studied ... don't worry
        1. Bongo
          1 March 2016 04: 08
          +5
          Quote: cheguevarazh
          Everything has long been worth the plow being studied ... don't worry

          Maybe write an article on this subject, so unfoundedly shake the air? stop Could you tell us where the Patriot moved to us? fool
  5. Vega
    Vega 29 February 2016 09: 40
    +3
    As correctly noted, in the south it is very problematic to remove heat from the cab, I saw a variant of the complex where the KO-2 and K-3 air conditioners VO-44 were installed.
    1. Bongo
      29 February 2016 09: 41
      +6
      Quote: vega
      As correctly noted, in the south it is very problematic to remove heat from the cab, I saw a variant of the complex where the KO-2 and K-3 air conditioners VO-44 were installed.

      But in winter, the soldiers were very fond of "on duty" in the cabins. lol
  6. Amurets
    Amurets 29 February 2016 13: 24
    0
    Sergey! Hi. The first photo, is it by chance not Bochin?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 February 2016 13: 38
      +6
      Quote: article
      According to information published in the Iranian media, Iran has launched restoration repair and modernization of long-range anti-aircraft missiles. It is likely that we are talking about used missiles acquired abroad.

      Iran has modernized its S-200s but apparently the century is not long enough and soon they will be replaced by S-300s delivered from our country.

      Iran adapted S-200 in the interests of the country's missile defense
      The air defense system now has a faster reaction time from the moment it detects a target until it is fired at, which will make it possible to cover large areas of the country from a missile attack.
      The system is capable of detecting targets at a distance of 3000 km (1,864 miles), determining their altitude and tracking them at a greater distance than the territory of Qatar or Afghanistan, the agency said.
      http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5976/
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 29 February 2016 13: 48
        +4
        Quote: article
        S-200VE are on combat duty in the DPRK.

        The S-200 in the DPRK is likely to serve the security of the people of North Korea for a long time, but they are already (as I read in some forums) supplemented (replaced?) By a local analogue of the S-300 called KN-06.
        S-200 at one of the parades.

        KN-06 at the parade.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 February 2016 13: 54
          +2
          Bongo, this is what I wanted to ask: how is the episode with the destruction of the Israeli Hokai in Syria by our S-200 in Syria considered in the light of today's events?
          The first combat use of the S-200VE air defense system was noted in 1982 in Syria, where an Israeli AWACS E-180C Hawkai aircraft was shot down at a distance of 2 km, after which the American carrier fleet withdrew from the coast of Lebanon.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 29 February 2016 15: 46
            +5
            Quote: quilted jacket
            the use of S-200VE air defense systems was noted .... in Syria

            How our military experts guarded the sky of Syria from the aggressive regimes of the USA and Israel.
          2. Bongo
            1 March 2016 02: 28
            +6
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Bongo, this is what I wanted to ask: how is the episode with the destruction of the Israeli Hokai in Syria by our S-200 in Syria considered in the light of today's events?
            The first combat use of the S-200VE air defense system was noted in 1982 in Syria, where an Israeli AWACS E-180C Hawkai aircraft was shot down at a distance of 2 km, after which the American carrier fleet withdrew from the coast of Lebanon.


            I cannot comment on this episode, because I do not have information whether the fact of the defeat of "Hawkeye" took place. There is an opinion among experts that there was no destruction of the E-2C. The launch was made at a range close to the limit and it is quite possible that the Hawkeye, having detected a missile flying in its direction, turned off the radar and dropped to the minimum height. But this, of course, does not devalue the role of the S-200VE in the Syrian events in the second half of the 80s.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 1 March 2016 11: 59
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              I cannot comment on this episode, because I do not have information whether the fact of the defeat of "Hawkeye" took place.

              Thanks, thanks.
          3. opus
            opus 1 March 2016 15: 18
            +3
            Quote: quilted jacket
            The first combat use of the S-200VE air defense system was noted in 1982 in Syria, where an Israeli AWACS E-180C Hawkai aircraft was shot down at a distance of 2 km, after which the American carrier fleet withdrew from the coast of Lebanon.

            I think it's a cartoon / fake.
            Shipment of S-200VE to Syria late 1983, arrival early 1984.

            Deployment, training, etc.
            What could they bring down the E-2C in 1982? September or December?
            with the Soviet calculation (220th regiment)?
            Yes, and TOSI ZUR visible.
            Israeli data for the period 01.06-01.09.82 over Lebanon 4 UAVs “Scout” and “Mastiff-2” were lost.
            UAVs “Scout” (“Zahavan”) were used by the Air Force, and “Mastiff-2” was used by the AOI Military Intelligence.
            Destroy AWACS aircraft and control - an extraordinary event on a global scale.

            How, then, after the 1st shot down, did the Israelis manage to sell 3 pieces of E-2CS to Mexico and put 1 in a museum?

            There were 192 pieces in 4 Squadron (“Jains”), entered service in 1978, there were no additional deliveries. The aircraft received side numbers 941 (US number - 160771), 942 (160772), 944 (160773) and 946 (160774). All 4 flew until 1994 or until January 1997), and then were transferred to storage. Photographs (taken after 1983) of all 4 were published in print. Since 1997, one of the aircraft (initially 942, then 944) has been constantly exhibited at the Air Force Museum in Hatzerim. In 2002, there were reports (for example, the Janes) that, after repairs at the IAI factories, three aircraft would be sold to Mexico (delivery from 2004). The fourth plane, 944, still stands in the Air Force Museum.

            Could Hawkeye E-2C be a decked USA? But the year does not converge again ..
            It is unlikely that he was shot down by the S-200VE.

            Quote: quilted jacket
            after which the American carrier fleet withdrew from the coast of Lebanon

            in September-November 1983, a French bomb bombed a militant base in Lebanon, and 04.12.83 - and American deck aircraft. According to Syria, its air defense systems (Osa-AK and Strela-10) were shot down by 5 A-6E Intruder, 3 F-14 Tomket, 1 Phantom and 2 Super Etandar
    2. Bongo
      1 March 2016 02: 22
      +4
      Quote: Amurets
      Sergey! Hi. The first photo, is it by chance not Bochin?

      Hi Nikolay! No, it's somewhere in the European North, one of the last existing complexes. In Bochin in 1996, everything was defeated. Now there are ruins. crying
      The place there became quite dangerous, there were repeatedly recorded cases of bear attacks on mushroom pickers.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 1 March 2016 02: 47
        +4
        Quote: Bongo
        On Bochin in 1996, everything was defeated. Now there are ruins. crying

        It’s a nightmare! But there was a KP of the entire air defense zone of the 8 red banner there.
        1. Bongo
          1 March 2016 02: 51
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          Quote: Bongo
          On Bochin in 1996, everything was defeated. Now there are ruins. crying

          It’s a nightmare! But there was a KP of the entire air defense zone of the 8 red banner there.

          Now the KP has been transferred to the Cartel. Capital structures and infrastructure of the dismantled over-the-horizon radar "Duga" are used.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 1 March 2016 03: 12
            +2
            Quote: Bongo

            Now the KP has been transferred to the Cartel. Capital structures and infrastructure of the dismantled over-the-horizon radar "Duga" are used.

            But for Amur, for that. There we had the 3 (6) division and the OTB. The OTB was given to the division because there was no bridge over the Amur and this division had either 24 or 36 missiles, since during the ice drifts, the spring and fall transport communications with the division were interrupted.
            1. Bongo
              1 March 2016 03: 43
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              But for Amur, for that. There we had the 3 (6) division and the OTB. The OTB was given to the division because there was no bridge over the Amur and this division had either 24 or 36 missiles, since during the ice drifts, the spring and fall transport communications with the division were interrupted.

              And there is. yes But I do not see this as a problem, especially. that in Cartel, a military residential town is much better than in Liana. One S-300 PSD is now deployed next to Econa at the old S-125 positions.
  7. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 29 February 2016 14: 39
    +6
    It is not known what modifications of the S-200 are still in operation in Kazakhstan, but it is quite possible that these are the most modern S-200Ds that remained at the Sary-Shagan training ground after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    The Air Defense Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan (this is such an analogue of the airborne forces combining the air force and air defense forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan) consists of the S-200V air defense system. And so, this air defense system is evaluated on the official website of the NIS of Kazakhstan.
    SAM S-200V: A long-range complex designed to destroy enemy air attack weapons with anti-aircraft guided missiles. The primary task of firing the S-200V air defense missile system is the destruction of jammers and carriers of air-to-ground missiles, as well as high-altitude, high-speed and small targets at the maximum range. The main performance characteristics of the S-200V air defense system. The far border of the affected area is 255 km. The closest border of the affected area is 17 km. Target hitting altitude Hmin - 300 m, Hmax - 40,8 km. SAM flight speed - 1200 m / s. The number of simultaneously fired targets - 1. The number of guided missiles - 2. Deployment time - 16 hours, curtailment - 8 hours. The number of missiles in ammunition is 6 units. Material taken from the site: Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan
    A source:

    By the way, until recently, C-75 complexes were deployed near Karaganda, which, at least as of April 2015, were still in service with the Navy of Kazakhstan and were on combat duty. As far as I know, now obsolete air defense systems in Kazakhstan are being replaced by Russian S-300s.
    And this is the S-200 at the parade in Astana - our capital (KrAZs are still Soviet!):
  8. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 29 February 2016 15: 03
    0
    And how does a radio fuse work if a rocket flies to a source of interference? Or is it believed that she should get physically involved?
    1. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 3 March 2016 18: 28
      +4
      "Eh, it's been a long time since I took checkers in my hands!" crying
      but if my insanity doesn’t change me, then ..
      in the radio fuse, the level of the reflected signal \ (interference? - I do not remember this mode) from the target must exceed a certain threshold, THEN one of the FOUR detonators (located at the "equator") of the warhead is detonated ...
      the rocket flies rotating, for stability, around the longitudinal axis .... therefore, which detonator will meet the target at the smallest angle, this command is given to detonate.
      the missile from the S-200 "programmed" is undermined a few tens of meters from the target, creating a directed explosion of a warhead with a "cone" of expansion of striking elements (steel alloy balls of 2-3 standard sizes, depending on the modification) of which there were several dozen around the spherical explosive warhead thousand!
      therefore, the fuselage (hit by an S-200 rocket) of the target is like a colander
      1. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 3 March 2016 21: 40
        0
        Level? It’s strange. It depends on reflectivity. Does the request from the head itself come in, or is the signal from the backlight antenna used? In general, this is not so important. The reflected signal still depends on the effective reflective surface, which is different on the B-52 and F22? For many, many. So with this algorithm, the rocket will probably just pass by F22, since this threshold will never be exceeded. Now suppose a target, such as the B-52, turns on a powerful transmitter at the same frequency. Bam, and the rocket explodes somewhere just in the sky, not reaching 100 kilometers to the target.
        Maybe the radio fuse responds to zero response time to a pulse signal? I think that would be more correct. But if the target includes interference, then this will not work.
      2. dvvv
        dvvv 4 March 2016 02: 10
        +1
        Something like this, judging by the work of the RV missile C-125 / only there it does not rotate in flight. I’m not sure about drushlag). I saw a C-75 rakeu shot down as a target in an exercise with the C-200 rocket. There were 20-30 holes and small ones)
        1. Bongo
          4 March 2016 02: 16
          +3
          Quote: dvvv
          Something like this, judging by the work of the RV missile C-125 / only there it does not rotate in flight. I’m not sure about drushlag). I saw a C-75 rakeu shot down as a target in an exercise with the C-200 rocket. There were 20-30 holes and small ones)

          The fact is that the design of the S-75, C-125 and C-200 warheads differed from each other. In the warhead of the C-200 missile, the warhead was equipped with ready-made slaughter elements - several thousand steel balls and rollers - ball-bearing production waste.
  9. kvs207
    kvs207 29 February 2016 20: 40
    +1
    Google Earth snapshot: С-200 air defense system in Karaganda region

    Literally 20 km from my house. Nearby was a radar, but they said that it was training.
  10. aba
    aba 29 February 2016 21: 19
    +5
    Although the S-200 was considered portable, the change of firing positions for him was very difficult and time-consuming.

    For two years of service I had to work on two modifications of the S-200: "Angara" and "Vega". One complex was changed for another just in the winter months - it's just hell of a job! And as far as I remember, a day is given to wind up a division in wartime. But this is in the case of field deployment, but from stationary ones it is simply unthinkable: the cables in the gutters in the fall froze tightly, and if the cable passed under the road, then get it from there with that quest. There was such a story in my memory ...
    Just when the equipment was changed, the cable economy was also changed, and in a pipe with a diameter of 50-60 cm under an expensive cable, it was frozen, it is not realistic to pull it out, you can break everything to hell. So they found the smallest and thinnest fighter, he was forced to take off his winter overalls and in one tunic (and it was in the winter in the Urals) he climbed into this pipe, well we guessed to tie him. After a while he released the cable, but got stuck himself. It so happened that there was no way to push forward, an ice plug. They dragged back, with difficulty and slowly. About 10-15 minutes after the start of the operation to rescue "Private Ryan", we pulled him straight out on the ice with his naked belly, his whole tunic slid down on his head. Then he was our hero of the day!
    Damn, I could remember a lot from the service! There was a time... smile
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 29 February 2016 23: 50
      +6
      Quote: aba
      One complex was changed to another just in the winter months - it's just hellish work

      In the winter of 1970, work was carried out on the S-75 to expand the ammunition load (20DP missiles were added: 20DS and it seems 15d, I don’t remember exactly). We had to either supplement or replace part of the coaxial cables. So we only reheated the coils with cables They suffered a lot. Because even as in the afternoon, the temperature did not rise above -30 ° C. When I tried to replace the control cable and rewind it, the cable began to break through the insulation. I imagine how you suffered with replacing the cable economy.
  11. Ale.xey
    Ale.xey 29 February 2016 22: 50
    0
    And my father was a group commander in the Angarsk brigade from 1970 to 1976. and received a Red Star for successful shooting at "Belka"
  12. Atigay
    Atigay 1 March 2016 00: 19
    +4
    Yes, I remember the girls made ferrite rugs at a military plant in Dubna. One rug measuring 10x10cm2 per month. The rings are such that the hole cannot be seen, fractions of a millimeter, and the girls had to pass three wires there. A month later, this ferrite rug resembled the head of a chow-chow, or a lion, the rug was hidden deep in the bowels of copper "hair". This work could only be done by virgins! The married ones moved to other workshops.
    I remember my shock when I first saw the connectors on personal computers! What a hack! Clear sea, which compared with the connectors of the blocks of the 200th. And ours are really a lot of drag metal, they don’t click, but are directly absorbed, class. All in good conscience.
    I saw in Google our part near Izhevsk, sadly, ruins, everything was destroyed.
    At 200m there was a nuclear head, just in case, for group purposes. Interesting, but at 300m, etc. is there too?
  13. opus
    opus 1 March 2016 14: 04
    +5
    Quote: Author
    If we can still agree with the abandonment of the old S-75 air defense systems, the role of the “two hundred” in the inviolability of our air borders can hardly be overestimated

    Yeah.


    serve and serve more, especially "D".



    Quote: Author
    S-200D, the range of target destruction was brought to 240 and 300 km, and the reach in height was 35 and 40 km.

    correct: 400km.

    TRUTH with VZRB (270-300 + 100-130)

    The cost, of course, even taking into account the mastered cycle of 1 232 600, 00 of those rubles ...
    still that (see this in 1983 ..)
  14. dvvv
    dvvv 4 March 2016 02: 26
    0
    The S-200 is outdated and has long been of little use for war because of its stationarity. The experience of "Desert Storm" showed that if the war is serious and the enemy is the United States, then everything stationary will die and guaranteed, and the scanty number of missiles on the launcher makes the S-200 a peacetime complex and it scared away from impudent penetration into the territory of the USSR in 70-80. I think that someone convinced the top of the USSR that it was impossible to make a normal solid-propellant rocket and made this miracle liquid-propellant. It was the type of fuel that was the trouble that ruined everything. Of course, the electronic base has always ruined products, which was done in the USSR and the S-200 is a vivid example. After the change of electronics, the S-125 complex is still alive and the gunpowder of its engines has never been poisonous and has not killed a single soldier.
    1. Bongo
      4 March 2016 02: 37
      +3
      Quote: dvvv
      C-200 is outdated and is of little use for war due to stationarity.

      Not suitable for long-term military operations in conditions of maneuver warfare. But to suppress the violation of the air border in peacetime and to repulse the first strike - completely. Tell me what a modern air defense system with serial missiles can compare with C-200D in range and height of the target?
      Quote: dvvv
      I think that someone convinced the top of the USSR that it was impossible to make a normal solid-fuel rocket and made this miracle liquid. It was the type of fuel that was the trouble that ruined everything. Of course, the electronic base has always ruined products, which was done in the USSR and C-200 is a vivid example of this. After the change of electronics, the C-125 complex is still alive and the gunpowder of its engines has never been poisonous and has not killed a single soldier.

      In the early 60s, the USSR simply did not have effective solid fuel formulations, by the way, the article says about this. The element base in the S-200 was quite adequate for its time. American air defense systems "Nike-Hercules" were also built on electric vacuum devices. The S-125 air defense system is a low-altitude complex and it is hardly correct to compare them with the S-200. But I agree with you about solid-propellant missiles. yes But at the same time, most of the C-125 operated in the world are still with their own electronics.
  15. dvvv
    dvvv 4 March 2016 10: 27
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    Tell me, what modern anti-aircraft missile system with serial missiles can compare with the S-200D in range and height of target destruction?

    - the sense of that range if the target’s illumination comes from the ground and 200 km of the range, not to mention 250, you need to set the target’s illumination locators on the mountain to illuminate the target at an altitude of at least 300 m. By the way, the Americans then taught the B-52 to fly at an altitude of 300m, which was completely abnormal for them. Since then, when cruise missiles and adequate satellite reconnaissance appeared, all stationary targets became guaranteedly destroyed without any risk to amers.
    Question: And who didn’t stop at the beginning of the 60’s, but after the middle of the 70’s, developing normal solid-fuel rockets for this complex? How could these stupid fools have been doing for so many years when progress has been made in recipes too? Everyone did not care and riveted, riveted this rubbish like bulbs and other dregs that by the end of the 80's leveled this miracle of technology to a peacetime complex.
    1. Bongo
      4 March 2016 10: 38
      +4
      Quote: dvvv
      - the sense of that range if the target’s illumination comes from the ground and on 200 km of range, not to mention the 250, you need to put target illumination locators on the mountain so that at least 300m illuminate the target at altitude.

      Have you ever been interested in how our C-300P is deployed, in which positions?
      Quote: dvvv
      Since then, when cruise missiles and adequate satellite reconnaissance appeared, all stationary targets became guaranteedly destroyed without any risk to amers.

      Here you exaggerate a little No. I know firsthand the capabilities of our anti-aircraft systems and am not inclined to consider them, unlike many, superweapons, but frankly downplay their capabilities is not worth it. No. It was the presence of the S-200 in the air defense of the USSR that made the Americans be very careful about the inviolability of our air borders.
      Quote: dvvv
      Question: And who didn’t stop at the beginning of the 60’s, but after the middle of the 70’s, developing normal solid-fuel rockets for this complex? How could these stupid fools have been doing for so many years when progress has been made in recipes too? Everyone did not care and riveted, riveted this rubbish like bulbs and other dregs that by the end of the 80's leveled this miracle of technology to a peacetime complex.

      You recall what was the launch range of solid fuel missiles in the first C-300P? C-200D with liquid missiles and now remains unsurpassed. One way or another, with all due respect, I do not consider this complex to be trash.
    2. andj61
      andj61 4 March 2016 10: 58
      +4
      Quote: dvvv
      - the sense of that range if the target’s illumination comes from the ground and 200 km of the range, not to mention 250, you need to set the target’s illumination locators on the mountain to illuminate the target at an altitude of at least 300 m.

      It all depended on the terrain: in the steppe it was enough 5-6 meters high for the installation of the Russian Orthodox Church, but, of course, the higher the better! In addition, the massive use of various types of air defense systems and S-75, and S-125, and S-200, and even stationary S-25 with multiple overlapping damage zones - both in front and in depth - allowed us to seriously hope for success . And remember, for the S-75 and S-125, the Russian Orthodox Church was not needed, it used CHP. In addition, in the event of an attempted massive breakthrough of air defense in a certain area, there were always a couple of special items in stock to be able to brush off several dozen targets at once.
      Quote: dvvv
      Question: And who did not interfere in the development of normal solid fuel rockets with this complex in the early 60s and after the mid-70s?

      Normal solid fuel for rockets was developed with us only in the early 70's. And it was used to develop the S-70 complex adopted for service in the late 300s. Only the first missiles for the S-300 were extremely short range - up to 50 km, and were completely replaced, although more inconvenient in operation, but already mastered the S-75 and S-125. Therefore, it was necessary to change the launchers — and it was necessary, there were no other missiles on all S-200s: as the S-75s, S-125s and S-200s were dropped, they were exchanged for the corresponding S-300 modifications.
      And the S-200 is not at all turbid, but the basis of such an air defense system, which no one had before, and which no one has now. The current air defense system of both Russia and the United States is inferior to the 1990 USSR air defense system, as it were, not by an order of magnitude!
  16. dvvv
    dvvv 4 March 2016 11: 13
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    Here you are exaggerating somewhat. I know firsthand the capabilities of our anti-aircraft systems and am not inclined to consider them, unlike many superweapons, but I should not underestimate their capabilities frankly. It was the presence of the S-200 in the air defense of the USSR that made the Americans be very careful about the inviolability of our air borders.

    - so you yourself repeat my words that this complex is just to scare and expensive! And how are you so well aware of the capabilities of this complex?))) We had a map of a covered object in the classroom and it clearly stated how many and what enemy forces, and these forces were also listed, necessary to break through or destroy the ZRV brigade. Then there were no cruise missiles or they only appeared and it was the heyday of the S-200 and S-125, but not the S-75. Alas ... everything was rather modest even according to optimistic forecasts. Examples of wars have shown that all stationary control and guidance points, as well as radars, are destroyed first and further to complete defeat. The range was, but purely theoretically, and 4 missiles that could quickly recharge to another 4 are all that was there ... then the watch began to tick. So, in the best scenario, the S-200 could bring down 4 targets and on this ceased to exist even in that version in the 70s, and then everything went and rolled down and swiftly. Of course, this is very good for the Cold War / but very expensive and completely useless for a hot war. I assembled the 5V27GSU missiles in person and it’s so simple that the entire department was just recent schoolchildren with elementary skills to turn nuts and no one was injured during assembly or transportation, but there were carts and a manual hoist from the equipment ...
    S-200 is technically a product of the late 60s and by the 80s it turned into just a scarecrow
  17. il-z
    il-z 16 March 2020 21: 54
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    In Uzbekistan, in the mid-90s, being students of the military department were at one of the S-200 divisions, it turned out from conversations with soldiers that the division commander had recently been removed, because the last kenotron burned (if memory serves) in the Russian Orthodox Church. So the division in fact was dead.