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Belarus increases its military potential

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Belarus increases its military potential



The growth of military activity on the borders of Belarus makes the military-political leadership of the country pay close attention to their security. As a result, despite the difficult economic conditions, the Republic has embarked on a gradual renewal of weapons and military equipment.

An important role in this process is played by military-technical cooperation with Russia. So, over the past five years, three batteries Tor-M2 were delivered to Belarus, and in 2016 another battery will be purchased. In addition, Minsk acquired three S-300 PS air defense divisions from those released in the Russian Armed Forces, and another division will be transferred in May. Along with this, Belarus seeks to renew the park. aviation technicians. So, in 2015, the first batch of 4 Yak-130 combat training aircraft was delivered, the next batch is expected at the end of 2016, and after 2020, on the basis of the already adopted decision on the phased replacement of the MiG-29s in service, more modern Su-30. Also in 2016, the first 6 Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters will replenish Belarusian aviation, another 6 aircraft will be delivered in 2017.

The domestic GVPK also unexpectedly actively supported the rearmament process. The fact is that many Belarusian and foreign experts until the last moment considered the military industrial complex of Belarus only as an integral part of the Russian defense complex, unable to produce the final product. Nevertheless, domestic specialists developed and adopted the Vostok-D and Rosa RB radars, designed to detect low-flying objects. The next stage was the development of its own Polonez multiple rocket launcher system.

Interestingly, the increase in the defense potential of the Belarusian army provoked a strong reaction from politicians of neighboring countries and, oddly enough, “friendly” Ukraine was at the forefront of outrage. Thus, the coordinator of the Information Resistance group, a member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense Dmitry Tymchuk, said that the transfer of the Russian S-300 air defense system to Minsk returns the world to the Cold War and the arms race. To be honest, it is damn nice to realize that Belarus has such a big weight in the geopolitical plans of the Kremlin and Washington that the change in the number of air defense missiles radically changes the military-political situation not only in the region, but in the whole world.

At the same time, Tymchuk himself emphasizes that the air defense system set up by Minsk does not pose a threat to Ukraine, it would be another matter if Moscow placed the Iskander-E PTRC in Belarus Member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, which in Belarus has developed, in fact, its own missile system, by the way, not without the participation of Ukrainian specialists. At the same time, if it was previously planned to adopt the Polonez MLRS in September 2016, then tests that were probably successfully carried out on February 5 made it possible to reduce these periods. According to Sergey Gurulev, chairman of the Main Military Command, the Polonez MLRS will enter the Belarusian troops in July. By the way, according to the widespread information, the last launches of the above-mentioned MLRS were carried out at the Polesye range, and there, as they say, Kiev is within reach ...

In addition, Gurulev noted that Belarusian defense specialists are ready to take the next step in rocket production. According to him, the 2016-2017 year, the task of developing missiles capable of hitting the target at a distance of up to 300 km. Interestingly, the information about the creation of the Belarusian cruise missile “Aist” with similar characteristics was previously distributed. Probably, we are talking about the same project. Moreover, perhaps the Belarusian military experts decided to adopt the American experience, when a module with operational-tactical or cruise missiles can be installed on the chassis from the MLRS as it was done with the ATACMS OTRK.

In this case, the opinions of individual experts on the inclusion of a provision on a preventive missile strike into the new Military Doctrine of Belarus may have good reasons. In the case of a massive missile and air strike, the Armed Forces of Belarus may simply not have time to respond promptly. Therefore, it is very important to direct the available forces and means to the early warning of military threats and preventive measures.

At the same time, the Belarusian expert community quite clearly indicates the existence of a potential military threat. Thus, one of the most authoritative Belarusian military experts, Alexander Alesin, stated that “Belarus is between NATO and the CSTO.” Sadly, this “specialist” does not know that Belarus is the founding country of the CSTO. That is why the defense strategy of Belarus is based on the realities of today and is being built together with Russia. Under these conditions, the already existing MLRS “Polonez” will play a significant role in the strategy of containing possible hot heads in the leadership of NATO and neighboring states. After all, the range of defeat of the Polonez will be enough to help Russia, if necessary, unlock the Kaliningrad region, while the Iskander on its territory will strike at strategic facilities of the United States and NATO in Europe, such as the US missile defense base in Polish Redzikovo.

As a matter of fact, it is precisely this goal that is pursued by the efforts to build the capacity of the Belarusian Armed Forces: to make impossible the very attempt of armed intervention in the internal affairs of Belarus.
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  1. Leprekon
    Leprekon 22 February 2016 06: 43
    +4
    And not only, weapons are being updated. "Old Man" yesterday paid special attention to territorial defense and mobilization in general. It was, in fact, about territorial battalions created in addition to regular units (is it not the Ukrainian principle of formation). This is really something "new"!
    In addition, new concepts appeared in the military doctrine:
    A new chapter has appeared in the document, which reveals the main terms and definitions. Among the new terms are concepts such as "military danger", "military policy", "military threat", "local war", "illegal armed formation", "large-scale war", "defense infrastructure", "defense sector of the economy", " a period of growing military threat, "regional war," "strategic containment."
    Source: http://www.belta.by/society/view/est-vopros-chem-otlichaetsja-novaja-voennaja-do
    ktrina-belarusi-178661-2016

    The enemy and the threats are the same - depersonalized
    Belarus does not consider anyone an adversary, but will be able to withstand challenges and threats - Ravkov, Minister of Defense
    1. Omelchuk
      Omelchuk 22 February 2016 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: Leprechaun
      And not only, there is a renewal of weapons. "Old Man" yesterday paid special attention to territorial defense and mobilization in general.

  2. Good cat
    Good cat 22 February 2016 07: 00
    +2
    Sorry for the banality, but it’s very important: if you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed the mattresses!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 22 February 2016 08: 31
      +9
      In Belarus, the military budget for 2016, 540 million dollars, for comparison, in Lithuania 574 million. Even to maintain the current state of the money is not enough. Only if Russia will help.
      1. Litsvin
        Litsvin 22 February 2016 20: 08
        +5
        To paraphrase Napoleon - "If you don't want to feed your friend (Belarus), you will have to feed your enemy (NATO)."
        It's not about the size of the military budget. At "Zhmudzi" (this is how it is historically correct to call modern "Lithuania", which stole our history from our Lithuanians-Belarusians and appropriated the glory of the ON, to which the jamoits HAVE NO ATTITUDE, after the signing of the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop stream from Stalin, bait "in the form of the Vilna region in 1939), these 574 million are lime. They are mostly "highlighted" on paper - that is, "American friends" sponsor the Zhamoyts on "credit", shaking off from their warehouses any rubbish that has exhausted its resource or is obsolete. At the same time, the price is also bent for trash. And these fools with the amerikosy will pay off with real dollyars. Moreover, even Poles (!!!), some pitiful Poles, who, apart from swagger "have no shisha" (!!!), manage to shake off the trash that they had received from the USA and Germany in the same way. Italy, Belgium. What kind of army the Zhamoyts have - these are not even amusing troops, laughter and nothing more.
        The economy of Zhmudzi is dead, all Soviet industrial production has been destroyed, the social system is in the corral (today teachers of 200 schools have gone on strike), peasants are ripped off by speculators, reducing milk prices to minuscule (to reduce costs, peasants collect milk in the village on a cart with a bunk (as before 1939) - it is expensive to rent a car milk carrier), the famous "Lithuanian" auto business after the closure of the road to the "CIS" quietly dies).

        Russia helps us not so much as the USA Zhmuji. Russia may not deliver new weapons, but not exactly trash. But Russia is simply obliged to help, because in so doing, it also ensures its safety (see the first sentence).
        HAPPY DAY OF THE DEFENDER OF THE FATHERLAND - FEBRUARY 23 - RED DAY OF THE CALENDAR !!!
        1. mashine
          mashine 24 February 2016 12: 14
          0
          You play out with your Litvinism. Nobody owes you anything. You cannot recognize how Abkhazia, Ossetia, and Crimea are brothers, but how to drain the resources from Russia - brothers. You already decide.
  3. cyber
    cyber 22 February 2016 08: 37
    +7
    I hope that Russia is smart enough not to sell the Belarus S-400, Iskander. And it will be like in 95, the old man will sell our secrets in the USA for nothing.
    1. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 11: 12
      -5
      Quote: cyber
      I hope that Russia is smart enough not to sell the Belarus S-400, Iskander.

      Then the air defense system of the Russian Federation will not even have time to realize how the American missiles will fall on target.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 22 February 2016 11: 46
        -3
        or the Russian air force will not have time to realize how drying will fall to the ground. The experience of the last decades shows that the condition of the colonies and raw materials (agricultural) appendages should become a destiny of fraternal republics.
        Then there will be world peace - otherwise there will be an ass in a single Russia. Old Man, as recent events in Hohljandi showed - is that political whore. It is worth the emir of all mattresses to promise to retain the post of dictator of all bulbashii - everything: there will be another Fuhrer - and you won’t have to grow a mustache. Moreover, it will be more dangerous than Hohland, if only because this pepper will preserve statehood and everything else in the country. And come up with territorial claims. And the Geyrosoyuz will hold them. Not directly, so sanctions ...
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 22 February 2016 11: 53
        -2
        and what does the air defense system have to do with it? Yesoi talk about missile defense - so here the placement of RPRN stations matters. like "Voronezh" or something else in the same spirit.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 22 February 2016 16: 37
      -4
      These secrets for nothing were sold with the permission of the highest officers of the Russian Ministry of Defense ..
      Quote: cyber
      I hope that Russia is smart enough not to sell the Belarus S-400, Iskander. And it will be like in 95, the old man will sell our secrets in the USA for nothing.
      1. cyber
        cyber 22 February 2016 17: 17
        -1
        Nonsense, Russia openly expressed dissatisfaction with this deal. Moreover, these S-300s in Belarus were without a radar installation, Russia refused to sell the radar at the request of the Republic of Belarus. As a result, the radar was purchased from Kazakhstan and the entire S-300 complex was sold to the Americans. So Belarus and Kazakhstan in tandem leaked the secret development to the Americans.
        PS. Maybe you have information about the names of the senior officers of the Russian Defense Ministry who, as you write, gave GOOD? Would clarify if it is not difficult for you ...
      2. cyber
        cyber 22 February 2016 17: 17
        -1
        Nonsense, Russia openly expressed dissatisfaction with this deal. Moreover, these S-300s in Belarus were without a radar installation, Russia refused to sell the radar at the request of the Republic of Belarus. As a result, the radar was purchased from Kazakhstan and the entire S-300 complex was sold to the Americans. So Belarus and Kazakhstan in tandem leaked the secret development to the Americans.
        PS. Maybe you have information about the names of the senior officers of the Russian Defense Ministry who, as you write, gave GOOD? Would clarify if it is not difficult for you ...
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    4. maxxam
      maxxam 22 February 2016 22: 42
      +1
      this political prostitute will sell everything. only there is a varic that if not Russia gives, then he will knock out the people with regular taxes. give Vladimir Vladimirovich, give him that thread (even though the tombstone is black and white) and it’s better to take us. then you Belarusian people, and now he will say thanks.
      1. OlegVoin
        OlegVoin 23 February 2016 22: 18
        0
        And who are you to insult the president of my country?
  4. tchoni
    tchoni 22 February 2016 08: 49
    +3
    Exactly. Against this background, I'd like to warn the "father" against political prostitution and the active adoption of the hohlyatsky experience.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 22 February 2016 16: 40
      0
      Well, cautioned, then what? He will do as he sees fit ..
      Quote: tchoni
      Exactly. Against this background, I'd like to warn the "father" against political prostitution and the active adoption of the hohlyatsky experience.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 23 February 2016 14: 34
        -1
        Quote: dmi.pris
        He will do as he sees fit ..

        How holy is god! Just political prostitution can go sideways to ordinary citizens. Moreover, both Belarus and the Russian Federation
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  6. engineer
    engineer 22 February 2016 09: 22
    +1
    Well. 540 million is one squadron of modern aircraft. and tanks. air defense systems and missiles will be borrowed from us at a reduced rate.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 22 February 2016 09: 31
      +2
      540 million is the salary to the soldiers to give, but to feed them in the dining room, all the same 64 thousand personnel in the army. And also the troops need fuel and lubricants, and a bunch of other consumables.
  7. Shootert3
    Shootert3 22 February 2016 09: 29
    10
    Now the game is very active in separating Belarus from Russia. A recent example is the removal of some sanctions from Belarus. The border of customs with Belarus is, as it were, unified, and the goods on which the Russian Federation imposed sanctions, in particular Polish apples, are at our border at a low start to find a way to enter the Russian Federation. But in general, if you take the situation in Belarus. Lukashenko A.G. if he doesn’t leave the post, then anyway, he is not eternal. And what will happen after his departure. Anglo-Saxons are sleeping and see how in Belarus to do what they did in Ukraine. Sleep and see !!!! And then the enemy can get our developments and weapons themselves. We need to find a way for the modern weapons transferred from Russia to the Republic of Belarus, if necessary, to return legally to us, if necessary. And if Old Man is not going to create Russian military bases on the territory of the Republic of Belarus, then come up with something else, but do not transfer modern weapons to eternal use. I repeat, the situation in the Republic of Belarus can change and this weapon can be aimed at us.
    1. populist
      populist 22 February 2016 11: 04
      0
      Shootert3
      And if Old Man is not going to create Russian military bases on the territory of the Republic of Belarus ...

      That is no military and economic assistance until these bases are created. Enough with us one maydanutoy Ukraine.
    2. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 11: 10
      -8
      Quote: ShooterT3
      Anglo-Saxons are sleeping and see how in Belarus to do what they did in Ukraine. Sleep and see !!!!

      Russia is threatening to a greater extent. Old Man is based on real support from the people and not inflated like ours.
    3. avt
      avt 22 February 2016 11: 17
      +4
      Quote: ShooterT3
      . But in general, if you take the situation in Belarus. Lukashenko A.G. if he doesn’t leave the post, then anyway, he is not eternal. And what will happen after his departure.

      As I already wrote, this will be the point of bifurcation of the political system of Belarus. Given the current realities in Belarus, even close "tandem" is not observed, not to mention the receiver. The system is built under the "eternal emperor". the difference in interests, as in Russia, is not visible, but from this the struggle for power, fueled by the limited resource of the territory and the economy as a whole at the point of bifurcation, will only be tougher if Father does not take care of real work in terms of LEGITIVE TRANSFER OF POWER UNDER RUSSIAN GUARANTEE to the receiver. In this case, following the example of Ukraine, the USA ambassador will rule there, according to the templates voiced by secondary officials of the State Department, since the vice president of the USA is already in fact vice-king of Ukraine and a smaller Gauleiter will be appointed to Belarus.
  8. Kazakh 14
    Kazakh 14 22 February 2016 09: 52
    +6
    Old Man was always unpredictable, in life he sits on two chairs, the blackmailer is still :)) I put a bottle of cognac on what is waiting for the most interesting in the not too distant future. He will throw a feint.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 22 February 2016 09: 54
    -2
    Given the obstinate nature of the Old Man, I would suggest, for example, for Belarus to assemble planes on its territory, as well as the production of some systems. Let them assemble from our kits. It will be cheaper, it will allow to load capacities and raise the level of industry at localization.
  10. Bagnyuk selo
    Bagnyuk selo 22 February 2016 11: 06
    0
    army of rb .. well, well .... half a billion to this bastard ... the military - drones, thieves and parasites. they retire at 40 in retirement .... for all zp for 100 bucks ... it would be better to raise a bald-headed hitrozaches .. and remember Russia, he will throw it as soon as possible .. for him there is only one treasure - power!
  11. sancho16
    sancho16 22 February 2016 11: 54
    +2
    cyber RU Today, 08:37
    I hope that Russia is smart enough not to sell the Belarus S-400, Iskander. And it will be like in 95, the old man will sell our secrets in the USA for nothing.

    Firstly, some elements of the S-300 were sold by your friend, Democrat Shushkevich and Old Man
    I stopped this deal, for which he was robbed by your friend Bill.
    Secondly, Old Man asked Putin to sell the Iskander, he replied, -figushki. That's why Old Man had to
    spend money on the development of the "Polonaise", which surpassed the "Iskander" in everything except range.
    But Putin didn’t even provide an ally for testing.
    As a result, Russia lost the buyer of the system, ammunition and zip and got a competitor.
    Thirdly, the Old Man asked to sell the s-400, taking into account its range to Belarus, a couple of divisions would be enough.
    In response again, figs. Therefore, the task was set to develop your medium-range air defense system.
    There is no doubt that it will be at least no worse than the S-300 and S-400, especially since the Belarusian
    zrk "stiletto", "bek-mb" and "halberd" are sold out like hot cakes on a market day.
    The same situation with airplanes, only to develop and produce them in Belarus is not
    appropriate, because the task is to enter into cooperation with some kind of manufacturer.
    Moreover, in Belarus there are a lot of manufactured airborne devices and other fillings.
    But in the end, in order to be a fist and not spread out fingers, you need not show off the great-power
    pound and earn money on strangers for the common good.
    And at the expense of the airbase. What kind of power, 12 planes and 4 helicopters, only scare the cows in the fields.
    There is only politics and no military justification.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 13: 21
      14
      Sell ​​Iskander! and under what conditions? Maybe there were conditions that are easier to refuse.
      Regarding polonaise and other crafts, I think this is a remake of Russian products, because modern weapons consist of many components, which in Belarus are simply nowhere to take.
      You all sell sell. the question is, where did the money come from? oh, again, a loan, or a gift? but no, you probably pay off textiles and potatoes?
      Well, if the Republic of Belarus develops weapons so expensive (for example, which will be at least no worse than the S-300 and S-400) the most modern, then a generation 5 aircraft and a tank are not a problem.
      Regarding great power, the fact of the matter is that in Russia they earn money, and when Belarus remembers brotherhood (when it comes to supplying markets and energy, supplying weapons for nothing, and when it comes to the interests of the Republic of Belarus, independence wakes up).
      It is interesting how you imagine we will earn together, Russia with its scientific and production potential, and Belarus with it. That is, we will develop together and income by gender. Many regions of the Russian Federation have more potential and opportunities than Belarus will have.

      My friend, you decide or you are independent, and pay and work like everyone else without preferences, or we are together, but then you must forget about independence. (both Russia and Belarus, I am for)
      There are few truly independent countries in the world, so there is no offense about independence.
    2. tchoni
      tchoni 22 February 2016 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: sancho16
      the task is to develop your medium-range air defense system.
      There is no doubt that it will be at least no worse than the S-300 and S-400, especially since the Belarusian
      zrk "stiletto", "bek-mb" and "halberd" are sold out like hot cakes on a market day.

      From here in more detail. a couple dozen - is it selling out ?. All these are modernizations of Soviet complexes, and rather superficial ones. in the style of "changing the tube amp to a transistor one" and that's it ... The S-300 is surpassed and resting. Tse peremoga
  12. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 22 February 2016 12: 17
    +1
    let the Belarusians build up their armaments, it’s not Ukrainians, but that there’s some kind of pentuh that there are no salaries and nothing to eat, so only a drone and a lazy person can say it right now is difficult
    1. vladmort
      vladmort 22 February 2016 13: 40
      +3
      You have a bad idea of ​​what "independent Belarus" is. This is the same anti-Russian education as Ukraine. This education exists solely to create luxurious jobs for the President of the Republic of Belarus and a bunch of other lesser bureaucrats. There is no other sense in the existence of RB and cannot be. And this independence is a heavy burden on the neck of the people. Look at the comparison of the budgets of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation.

      Pay attention to how much Russia provides more benefits to its citizens, and how much cheaper it is to manage ...
  13. vladmort
    vladmort 22 February 2016 13: 41
    +5
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/648/injy705.jpg

    Comparison of the budgets of Belarus and the Russian Federation
    1. Sally
      Sally 22 February 2016 17: 44
      +1
      and for what year is the data?
      1. vladmort
        vladmort 22 February 2016 18: 15
        0
        Last Available, 2015.
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    1. vladmort
      vladmort 22 February 2016 13: 53
      +4
      That's right. And the problem is that out of every dollar allotted by Russia to Belarus, only 40 cents comes directly to the people ...
  15. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 13: 51
    +1
    I want to tell the Belarusians. whether you want it or not. but in my opinion, the Republic of Belarus is one of the regions of the Russian Federation with wide autonomy, which is evidenced by the amazing economic and political relations that exist between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. This is not a threat. This is a fact.
    1. Sally
      Sally 22 February 2016 17: 47
      0
      Yes and no.
      No "trade wars" are waged against the autonomies)
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 21: 39
        +1
        It seems that if the Russian Federation started a trade war, then in our city there would be no Belarusian sausages, tractor textiles, and so on.
        And what is being done is a fight against Belarusian shrimp, pineapple and herring.
        1. Sally
          Sally 22 February 2016 22: 48
          +1
          And before the sanctions (between the Russian Federation and the EU with others) was everything all right?)
          Then we remember the unforgettable G. Anischenko with his certificates. When the Belarusian manufacturers "Tipo" all of a sudden (maybe not everything was verified) did not "do / succeed" according to the "new model" (this happened more than once).
          Also, do not forget about graters who should first pay Russia for the transit of gas with oil through Belarus or Belarus for oil. If there is a debt for transit exceeding the amount of debts for deliveries by 1.5 times (accumulated over 5 years) and the subsequent saga (by taking a loan from Kazakhs payment to Gazprom and the return of the difference by Gazprom Belarus) and its continuation with the blocking of pipes and the sale of a 51% stake in our oil transit and production campaign in Russia ... (
          Well, there was still an epic with quotas for the flight of Minsk-Moscow, Minsk-Peter airlines. When BelAvia had to reduce the share of its flights after covering flights to Russia.
          RB reduced 1 flight to 4 Russian (I don’t seem to remember exactly, BelAvia just before that took new planes for these flights) ...
          And such small and large situations were and are enough if not sad ((...
          Ps I will not list the remaining squabbles if you do not mind.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 00: 42
            -2
            Your indignation is understandable only if the Republic of Belarus is a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, and if you are independent then follow the instructions, you cannot or do not want to, the world is big, look for other markets.
            And you don’t think that this is a punishment for taking a dad who allows himself a lot.
            That’s why, what are Ukrainians, what are you hooked on to the pipe and gas? why do you need a pipe, and what's bad, is that counter. a package from Russia, Russia is profitable!
            1. Sally
              Sally 23 February 2016 06: 13
              +1
              [center] [/ center] since when blackmail, assaults, (in dirty form) pressure, ruin with the subsequent buying up and other bad things ... Communication between partners, allies, brothers became normal? So Belarus is looking.
              And for what to punish, then there was friendship and support in common endeavors (while Russian TV was filming films about the “cadre father,” like the West today about Putin).
              Because this is a considerable item of budget revenue (as in Russia, transit of goods to Asia is, to a lesser extent). If only a controlling stake (and not a large part of the company where we now have almost nothing to solve and that part of the income does not replenish the budget) . What is wrong then in the Khodorkovsky Yukos and similar companies?
              Ps the people who worked (in "our company") were even happy, salaries increased)
  16. engineer
    engineer 22 February 2016 14: 24
    +2
    better to be the biggest frog in the swamp. than a little fish in the ocean. better to be the first in the village. than the second in Rome. old sayings. and the president of Belarus is better than the governor of the Sakha Republic. (Yakutia). Lukashenko understands this perfectly with the example of Abramovich, the governor of Chukotka.
  17. witch
    witch 22 February 2016 14: 30
    +2
    but for me, the dad is too cunning because he comes from a hiding place. In vain Belarus is arming if they move west then it will be sad, it will be difficult to fight with a well-armed enemy, there will be a lot of losses. We must insist on the deployment of our units in Belarus, not trade in arms. and Ukraine is an example of this, that the union state is rapidly growing into an enemy. you can minus as much as you want in figs, but the fact is not going anywhere. It’s not in vain that he wrinkles his boobs so that they have our airbase. I have something to worry about.
    1. Sally
      Sally 22 February 2016 17: 56
      -1
      After the Crimea, they vryatli who agree to the base.
      Ps Russia did the right thing from the point of view of defending itself in that situation de facto (and people from “radicalism.”) De jure, no one wants pieces of his country to be torn off under any pretext (and national tension was created).
  18. avt
    avt 22 February 2016 14: 35
    +4
    Quote: engineer
    and the president of Belarus is better than the governor of the Sakha Republic. (Yakutia). Lukashenko understands this perfectly with the example of Abramovich, the governor of Chukotka.

    Well, like that with a budget from the last voiced "sayuznago state" of 4-plus yards of rubles, income and expenses of 6-plus yards of the same ruble with a contribution to this "budget of the state" in the proportion of 65% to 35% guess who and how, somehow ... shob I lived like this and another third was driven to my income for expenses solely for chants about brotherhood and statehood. "With such, I would sing every morning instead of the anthem for about five minutes, such a state state and its economic miracle. laughing
  19. cyber
    cyber 22 February 2016 16: 06
    +7
    Comparison in dollars of budgets is very conditional.

    51 billion. $ Russia and 600 billion. $ From the USA do not seem to give Russia any chance, in fact, given the high localization of the defense industry and the difference in production costs in Russia and the USA, it can be assumed that the real difference is not exactly 12 times, but far less. I think that in reality our 51 billion corresponds to at least 300 billion of the US budget, taking into account the cost of production of weapons, ammunition, maintenance of personnel, etc. including the cost of R&D.

    The same applies to the Republic of Belarus, even with an even larger correction factor, taking into account the partnership with Russia, which gives preferences in the purchase of weapons, or even supplies weapons for "beautiful eyes". Also, the maintenance of personnel is clearly much cheaper than in the United States and even in Russia.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 22 February 2016 17: 31
      0
      Well, compare here the cost of the T-90 and Abrams, the average salary of an ordinary contractor in the USA and Russia, and so on. Let's look at this coefficient.
      1. cyber
        cyber 22 February 2016 18: 31
        0
        According to various sources, an approximate calculation (rate of 75 rubles / $ 1):

        Russia USA%
        ------------------------------------------------------------
        Tank T90 / Abrams 1573000 6200000 3,94
        Sergeant 400 2350 5,88
        Salary of employees 246 3263 13,22
        The salary of young scientists 333 1500 4,5

        The cost of production of military equipment is naturally classified, and focusing on the market value of equipment would not be too true. But you can roughly understand the difference.
        Plus wild expenses for the maintenance of US bases abroad, taking into account their number, plus expenses for the maintenance of the Navy, which is larger and larger than the Russian Navy ... etc.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 22 February 2016 19: 56
          0
          That is, for example, for the purchase of equipment, a coefficient of 4, for a military salary of 6, in the development of various products 4.5
          And the difference in the budget is 14 times at your indicated rate.
          And all these bases, the Navy, etc. aren’t they a threat to us, or do you think it’s just that, to your mind? winked
          1. cyber
            cyber 22 February 2016 21: 28
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            Above, I gave the equivalent of our military budget with the American one at about $ 300 billion. This is already the odds. only 6. The cost of research, the cost of labor and production in general in the US in dollar terms is much higher than in Russia. Bases are of course a threat to Russia, but they divert a significant part of finances (according to some information,> $ 156 billion per year).
            600-156 = 444 billion remains for everything about everything. We also take into account the high activity of the American armed forces in various parts of the world, which also requires high costs. As a result, because of the extravagance of the Americans, it may happen that their inflated budget in terms of spending efficiency will be quite comparable to the Russian one. Moreover, IMHO threats from NATO and the United States to Russia as a whole remain at the same level, despite the wild amounts of their military budget. The effectiveness of the US and NATO Armed Forces is not growing in spite of the gigantic budget; they essentially “eat up” most of it for current needs from year to year.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 23 February 2016 07: 55
              0
              High activity in different parts of the world allows you to test weapons, adjust strategy and tactics, and gives military experience to soldiers. A soldier sniffing gunpowder and a soldier not sniffing gunpowder are radically different.
              Next, consider a typical military budget for 2009
              for personnel - 125,247 billion dollars.
              $ 179,788 billion for daily activities
              for the purchase of weapons, military equipment and materiel - $ 104,216 billion.
              for research and development work - $ 79,616 billion.
              for the construction of military facilities - $ 21,197 billion.
              for housing - $ 3,203 billion.
              reserve funds - $ 2,173 billion

              We see that in R&D and in the procurement of weapons, despite the coefficient, we are losing.
              1. cyber
                cyber 23 February 2016 12: 16
                +1
                According to the Russian budget:
                R&D (2016) - 284,6 mln. rub. or 3,8 billion dollars - a difference of 21 times

                Payments of salaries to military and civilian personnel 613 billion rubles. or 7.73 billion dollars - a difference of 16.2 times

                Purchase of military equipment (2015) 1.74 trillion. rub. or 14.32 billion dollars - the difference is 7.2 times

                PS.
                If the technology is calculated, the equivalent is $ 14,32 * 4 = $ 57 billion (which is already not so scary and only 2 times less than that of the Americans) repeat

                If we conditionally calculate the difference in the salaries of scientists between us and them, then we give about 4.6 times less. This is an abyss ...
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 24 February 2016 09: 33
                  0
                  Lagging behind both the shaft of armaments and research, this almost leaves no chance, but okay, remember that the attacker needs three times more money and strength to succeed. And it seems that 2 times the amount of equipment is not enough. However, the US has NATO, allies outside of NATO, and military treaties in America. And then the budget suddenly doubles.
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          3. cyber
            cyber 22 February 2016 21: 47
            -1
            Yes, and also the coefficients are given per 1 capita of personnel, workers of defense enterprises, 1 scientific worker. The number of this very personnel is not counted, but the Americans clearly have more personnel. How do you measure the effectiveness of these personnel in a world? Only as a potential threat that, in theory, Russia's strategic forces, regardless of the number and US defense spending, can "multiply by zero." Those. that 1 American, that 1000000 NATO members by and large on a drum - their effectiveness at this stage against Russia = 0.
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    2. vladmort
      vladmort 22 February 2016 18: 21
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      As for the United States and Russia, I agree. Incomparable costs. Moreover, the "value for the money spent", at times in favor of Russia.

      But in the case of Belarus, I do not agree. Everything is almost the same. Of course, in addition to salaries. Compared to Russia, in Belarus they pay much less.
      1. cyber
        cyber 22 February 2016 18: 52
        +1
        In Belarus, costs are lower not only due to lower salaries, but also because of the lack of need for large-scale R&D such as those carried out in Russia. Advanced weapons are not just given repeat A lot of financing goes precisely to promising developments.
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  20. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 18: 24
    -1
    Quote: Sally
    De jure, no, no one wants pieces to be torn from his country under any pretext (and arranged for national tension).

    likewise, no one wants the neighbors to have a brothel, where foreign p.p.o.s.t.i.t.s.p. and arrange cookies distribution.
    About de jure, the will of the people is not enough for you, but the current one in Kiev is legally justified?
    Where was your legal justification when was maidan.
    About the base, I’ll answer. The United States doesn’t bother "hardly anyone to agree to the bases", and RF consent is not required. With wolves live on wolf howls.
    Moreover, Belarus already uses preferences as a region of the Russian Federation.
    1. Sally
      Sally 22 February 2016 19: 54
      -1
      "About the bases, I will answer. The United States, somehow, does not bother with such" vryatli who agree to the bases, "and the Russian Federation does not need consent." If you will be like the United States, what is the difference other than the general language group and "roots".
      "With wolves, live like a wolf howl." then what is Belarus doing wrong?
      "Where was your legal basis when the Maidan was." What did I do. I was not a mediocre participant in the action. But there was the president of Ukraine who self-removed (when he was supposed to act according to the letter of the law (constitution, etc.) and his duties to the people), the people themselves (apparently did not want to do anything or was afraid or something else ...), and not last turn Russia (at that moment).
      "About de jure, the expression of the will of the people is not enough for you, but the current government in Kiev is legally justified?" No, but the time has passed (the iron has cooled down) ... Vladimir Lukin refused to sign the agreement then, the then president of Ukraine did not ask for help: (... (the guarantors did not fulfill their obligations, but since your signature is not there, the current through the UN and similar instances)
      PSYes could then rally their supporters then come out but this is in addition to other actions.
      "In the same way, no one wants the neighbors to have a brothel where foreign p.o.s.t.t.u.t. and arrange the distribution of cookies." it means that you need to have "livers with butter")). Or that there weren't any there at all (but this is ideally for our government)
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 22: 07
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        1). Russia was no longer likened to the United States, it invested a lot of funds in the development of the republics, even at the expense of the standard of living of the Russians. Bottom line, we are occupiers, the United States has everyone in the tail and mane, driven into debt and everyone is happy. it is very effective. The attitude of the United States towards allies as a condom, took advantage and threw it away. Do not develop the economy. industry. This is what Russia is learning. And this is good.
        2). Yes, howl to health, only Belarus needs to determine either or. Yes, and howl for a long time does not work, if only because the loans. markets, benefits like a noose can pull at any moment
        3). I think if they dispersed the Maidan. then this clamp hung on the neck of the Russian Federation, and now Ukraine is "tse Europe".
        4). Well, what would it give, now in Ukraine there is a lot of effort, and if Russia intervened, it would all be in Russia, and now the EU is worn with this miracle.
        5). This means that if politicians do not hesitate to come to the country to campaign for the overthrow of the authorities, then this is not a state.
        1. Sally
          Sally 22 February 2016 23: 24
          -1
          1 Does the USA also feed Latvians well? ...). Somewhere to the detriment of oneself and somewhere at the expense of others. So it seems that Russia is writing off debts to all Cubes and we have a loan to repay the loan)) (except for certain specific areas). Name a jointly or Russian (with Russian capital) enterprise created from scratch (or rewarded) and operating on the territory of the Republic of Belarus (not "bought", squeezed out). I don’t seem to know such, educate)
          Ps then you can talk about the difference from the United States ... ((most unpleasant)
          2 Russia, too, who are we slaves, serfs, vassals, partners, friends, brothers allies?)
          3 Well, if you think so ...
          Since a neutral state with a majority of the Russian population that separates from a hostile bloc is not needed, joint products and space for trade are not needed. And you need a smoldering fire at the borders then YES.
          4 (About the Russian Federation is very figurative) That is is it better to go with the flow nowhere without breaking through a channel or follow the path of least resistance approaching a bolt rather than a large full-flowing river? (I'm talking about Ukraine - provided that the patient is still alive)
          5 Who is to blame that the weakly characteristic did not send them out and did not cover their embassies (the patient did not want to sleep, or someone saved him (but he could have agreed to the operation)
          In Belarus, a couple of times Polish and not current embassies received a kick for several months))
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 00: 32
            +1
            Do you know on what terms debts are written off? A loan to repay the loan, so you offer conditions such that it was impossible to refuse. and why are you worried about the loan according to your statements, this money can be easily traded with the same weapons that are not inferior to the Russian ones that are bought like pies. especially if there is money for developing weapons, then for a loan and even more so.
            As for the Baltic states, (from there) if they feed so well there, then explain to me why my classmates left the world from this Baltic region. and what kind of technological production like the former in the period of the USSR were opened there?
            Regarding the opening of enterprises. I will explain this to you, business does not suit you, therefore, no joint ventures are created. Enlighten in what money can be invested in Belarus so that this could not be done in Russia. You decide why Russia should develop Belarus (you are either independent or not)? if potatoes and tractors can be made in the Russian Federation !!!
            2. You need this to contact your compatriots who work in the Russian Federation.
            3. They wrote nonsense, because for 25 years it was a neutral state. which developed production and trade but diligently crap under the door. Now they are free from the dictates of Moscow, now they are Europeans. what are happy in Russia, Ukrainian friendship cost too much !!!
            Regarding the bonfire, you think incorrectly, now this is 40 million, they will milk Europe. as well as Russia for 25 years.
            4. Why banging your head against a wall? Is Ukraine a big full-flowing river? gee gee gee. the gutter of world politics, with a ruined economy, embittered by the population who believes that they all owe.
            5 I don’t think he was weak-willed, but simply carried out an order from Moscow. If I suppressed or the Russian Federation began to restore order. how would it end? got an embittered population that blames us for all the troubles and dreams of the EU. and now we are also accused but now these are EU problems. RB is so brave because the Russian Federation supports it from behind, it turns out like in childhood "if you offend me, I will call my elder brother, he will change your arms and legs in places."
            1. Sally
              Sally 23 February 2016 07: 59
              -1
              Each case must be considered separately (within the framework of history and the then history and circumstances with the situation), and on what conditions was the debt of Cuba written off, the return of the American embassy written off?)
              Quote: Kostya Andreev
              You are worried about the loan according to your statements, this money can be easily traded with the same weapons that are not inferior to the Russian ones that are bought like pies. especially if there is money for developing weapons, then for a loan and even more so.
              I’ve talked about lobsters and other goods for the population (have they already become weapons?))) Where did I say that it is not inferior to the Russian diverge like hot cakes o_O?) So can Russia abandon its development and there is money for a lot (just kidding) )). Maybe it was necessary to develop due to the fact that someone we needed weapons (for re-equipment and modernization) did not want to sell? (And to China, the Saudis, the Hindus ... and until recently, can the Turks be?)
            2. Sally
              Sally 23 February 2016 08: 47
              -1
              2 So we have a kind of "single" labor space and they are not written down as slaves (but if you think of them as such or someone close to you, then this is just your attitude towards them), but I talked about the state and the level in general, who Belarus is for.
              3 (There were different times in the relationship I did not hold a candle and so I can say little about both sides)
              Quote: Sally
              Well, if you think so ...
              Since a neutral state with a majority of the Russian population that separates from a hostile bloc is not needed, joint products and space for trade are not needed. And you need a smoldering fire at the borders then YES.
              the dog with fangs is always creeping and biting (after the coup) I repeat again YES.
              4 how are rivers formed? from many "sources" connecting than Ukraine is not one of them if it was not "poisoned" (or before they began to pour the poison, what prevented it from stopping or filtering?).
              5 Didn't anyone think that the population was in favor of shouting and against tolerance? (About restoring order) It was possible at that moment when the lawlessness began in the status of a "surety" we can make sure it may be slightly different depending on the events). Alas, the Russian Federation also has problems with the size of a "small mouse" and another question who has lost more ... (
              At that time, the Russian Federation did not support the Republic of Belarus in any way, it did not even throw a joint note (for inciting ethnic hatred and espionage) against the same Poles (and "did not strongly oppose the sanctions")
          2. Sally
            Sally 23 February 2016 06: 17
            0
            since when blackmail, assaults, (in dirty form) pressure, ruin with the subsequent buying up and other bad things ... Communication between partners, allies, brothers became normal? So Belarus is looking.
            And for what to punish, then there was friendship and support in common endeavors (while spending time as a Russian TV clip movies about the “father’s father,” as now the West is about Putin).
            Because this is a considerable item of budget revenue (as in Russia, transit of goods to Asia is, to a lesser extent). If only a controlling stake (and not a large part of the company where we now have almost nothing to solve and that part of the income does not replenish the budget) . What is wrong then in the Khodorkovsky Yukos and similar companies?
            Ps the people who worked (in "our company") were even happy, salaries increased)
            1. Sally
              Sally 23 February 2016 07: 47
              +1
              Sorry, the answer is not for that comment.
  21. DesToeR
    DesToeR 22 February 2016 19: 01
    0
    Russians don't be naive. If you do not want to control the territory of modern Belarus, others will come. A holy place is never empty. Today, for the West, even 10 million. the market is interesting too. Especially if it is a market at the expense of Russian lands. Over the past thousand years, the West has not been able to defeat Russia in open battle and has switched to the tactics of plucking off piece by piece. Already 60 million people of the Slavic population have been torn away from you by the Russians, and you, lashes, today perceived it as a "natural process of peoples' self-determination." Tell me not much? So there are no more than 150 million of you left on 1/7 of the land. Do not flatter yourself, do not play along with your "only" allies (army and navy). Remember where the army and navy were in 1917? The country drowned in blood to collect the remains of the Russian Empire in the USSR. Even under Stalin, they could not collect all the fragments. The West is patient - it will wait a little longer, and in the next 25 years your children will scold these arrogant and cunning inhabitants of the independent Smolensk region, Pskov region and others like them on the forums. Finally open your eyes. 100 years ago there were no such states as Ukraine and Belarus, from the word never. Suffice it to cite a country like Finland as an example. How do you feel about finals today? How about brothers? But some 100 years ago it was YOUR land. Think about who you are the Balts today? But 25 years ago it was YOUR land.
    1. vladmort
      vladmort 23 February 2016 09: 32
      -2
      Quote: DesToeR
      Russians do not be naive. If you don’t want to control the territory of modern Belarus, others will come. A holy place is never empty


      We want to control, but precisely to control, and not to keep But father with his gang in exchange for promises.
  22. bed111
    bed111 22 February 2016 20: 10
    +2

    Quote: warlock
    in vain we arm Belarus if they turn over to the west, then it will be sad, it will be difficult to fight with a well-armed enemy, there will be a lot of losses. It is necessary to insist on placing our units in Belarus, and not to sell weapons.


    Such nonsense, about the war with Belarus can be written only by the finished clinical sheep.
    1. Sally
      Sally 22 February 2016 20: 25
      0
      He only showed his attitude towards Belarus (. For him, we have already moved from friends to potential opponents
      1. witch
        witch 25 February 2016 00: 25
        0
        Yes, not when you were not my friends and Tembole brothers to me as soon as you started to twist ass in front of Amers and the rear. you are a cunning ass nation.
    2. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 22: 25
      +1
      Well, do not pay attention, this is understandable, because from the beginning friends, brothers and then bam and invaders !!! At the same time, let's trade, work. like Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic states and so on. tp
      1. Sally
        Sally 22 February 2016 23: 40
        0
        So maybe you do not need to give reasons and provocations? (I'm not talking about the gossip apparatus but also about business and about ordinary people)

        Russia (the state) could (or has not announced) buns which, right now, are direct from the EU and you will not receive current (.
      2. Sally
        Sally 22 February 2016 23: 54
        0
        Yes, and about lobster shrimp and other "consumer" goods. There would be supply demand (Ps maybe even everything has been controlled for a long time) and poachers stole from your seas and processed them in China or Japan ... maybe "legally" or even worse not legally shipped back to Russia (without certificates of dignity books and any tax payments) hit the counter, would it be better? Output: Must to develop its fishing and processing industry where there is money and there is a shortage.

        Ps The money from our "processing" is returned to you in the form of the household appliances we bought ... (because the beggar cannot buy anything)
      3. Sally
        Sally 22 February 2016 23: 56
        0
        Well, fewer unemployed who do not know where to put their hands and throat (if you know what I mean))
        1. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 00: 50
          -1
          So I tell you about it !!! I don’t feel anger and hatred towards Belarusians, just during this time we became different. the feeling that RB is the remaining reserve of the Union does not leave.
          1. Sally
            Sally 23 February 2016 09: 01
            +3
            Quote: Kostya Andrei
            I want to tell the Belarusians. whether you want it or not. but in my opinion, Belarus is one of the regions of the Russian Federation with wide autonomy

            but did not howl daviche wrote it?)
            Not so different if you do not deliberately move away. Why was the "self-sufficient" USSR bad in its form (in the current realities for the Russian Federation?)
    3. witch
      witch 25 February 2016 00: 23
      -1
      the ram did a respected trip because I didn’t put anything into your empty head. it’s described as one of the options that cannot be ruled out. there may be such a situation
  23. smart ass
    smart ass 22 February 2016 22: 59
    +3
    Something the old man was silent when they came over Russia, his exterminators in Syria are invisible. Well, in the CSTO as a whole, they stuck the whole language in one place when the Su 24 Turks failed ... In general, the allies are the same
  24. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 23 February 2016 00: 33
    +1
    Quote: ShooterT3
    Now the game is very active in separating Belarus from Russia. A recent example is the removal of some sanctions from Belarus. The border of customs with Belarus is, as it were, unified, and the goods on which the Russian Federation imposed sanctions, in particular Polish apples, are at our border at a low start to find a way to enter the Russian Federation. But in general, if you take the situation in Belarus. Lukashenko A.G. if he doesn’t leave the post, then anyway, he is not eternal. And what will happen after his departure. Anglo-Saxons are sleeping and see how in Belarus to do what they did in Ukraine. Sleep and see !!!! And then the enemy can get our developments and weapons themselves. We need to find a way for the modern weapons transferred from Russia to the Republic of Belarus, if necessary, to return legally to us, if necessary. And if Old Man is not going to create Russian military bases on the territory of the Republic of Belarus, then come up with something else, but do not transfer modern weapons to eternal use. I repeat, the situation in the Republic of Belarus can change and this weapon can be aimed at us.

    Dear, you have paranoia. There are many reasons for lifting sanctions: from the agreement of the Republic of Belarus to host part of the refugees to the banal buy-sell through Belarus to Russia. In Belarus, the Maidan will not happen again, since the majority of the population is pro-Russian.
  25. cyber
    cyber 23 February 2016 07: 01
    +4
    Nirvanko:
    Dear, you have paranoia. There are many reasons for lifting sanctions: from the agreement of the Republic of Belarus to host part of the refugees to the banal buy-sell through Belarus to Russia. In Belarus, the Maidan will not happen again, since the majority of the population is pro-Russian.


    Dear, do not consider Europeans and Americans as idiots. These comrades will never be led to the banal "buy and sell through Belarus" or "to accept some of the refugees." There they have calculated everything for years to come. And trade with transit is clearly not the main thing. The goal is one - to withdraw Belarus from the influence of Russia. You didn’t have a Maidan, because no one has taken you seriously yet. was not possible because of the support from Russia. The sanctions against Belarus were successfully neutralized by Russia. You have not even felt what sanctions are like, for example, Iran or even us in Russia.
    And now it will be like this: winked
    1. Stress tensions between Russia and Belarus. Over the course of several years, mutual claims in various aspects of politics and economics will gradually and imperceptibly appear. Actually, the Old Man has already matured by his actions for the political part.
    2. The West will offer help as if by chance, at first without political background. For example, it will give the opportunity to export Belarusian goods to Europe. At the same time, exports to Russia will decline.
    3. By lowering economic ties with Russia, Europe will propose improving the human rights situation and opening representative offices of international humanitarian organizations. You want to be part of Europe with us, they will say, so let’s develop democracy - otherwise, nothing.
    4. The preparation of the consciousness of the population will begin. The Belarusians will suddenly “remember” their exclusivity and that Russia did not allow them to develop properly. Then they "suddenly realize" that they are not the Russian world, but something special, closer to the Poles (for example) and in general "tse Europe"
    5. Well, then hello Lukashenko with Kolya. European integration, we do not want visas ... and away we go. And Kolya should not be the next king of all Belarus.
    PS. It all can stretch for 10-15 years, it all depends on the pliability of Belarus. But given the greenhouse conditions you lived in (something similar to the USSR), I think the West will not have to spend much time on you. laughing
    1. OlegVoin
      OlegVoin 23 February 2016 22: 36
      0
      I will tell you this - this is already being done, and you add fuel to the fire even more with your statements.
      We won’t have the Maidan, but it’s possible that you will become permanent enemies.
  26. vladmort
    vladmort 23 February 2016 09: 38
    -2
    Quote: Sally
    Name a jointly or Russian (with Russian capital) enterprise created from scratch (or rewarded) and operating on the territory of the Republic of Belarus (not "bought", squeezed out). I don’t seem to know such, educate)


    Are you laughing? What will invest in Belarus, if daddy and the gang squeeze everything out? Don't you understand that your "state" is an organized criminal group that controls 6 regions of Russia?

    Why did I bring budgets? Watch and educate, if you do not know how to read financial documents, ask. Financial documents always tell a story, and in your case they just scream ...
    1. Sally
      Sally 23 February 2016 11: 45
      0
      Well, all states are organized crime groups except the Vatican (and, that is, doubts)) as well as the apparatus of violence, as Lenin seemed to be saying. And in Russia you look at the sovereign’s husbands everyone observes the interests of the state ... well, and in their free time they still have time to observe the interests of foreign colleagues to work in the field of merchants or to help a poor relative with such poor friends (in their difficult life), but this current is free time, free of charge and in no way connected with the service of the sovereign). (in Belarus there is almost nothing to steal and the stolen one still has to be steamed)).
      Imagine the sources of data (not all the range of expenses is indicated there, and not even the entire social network). And even following your calculations for 10 million people, Belarus has 360 million with pennies of GDP for 10 million Russians 2.3 billion and where the thieves have a higher rate?) (And then these are not incorrect calculations).
      What 6 regions since when did they become Russian? You’re the state and residents (not always like that) of the same parts of the whole, do we get them to be occulted?) Well, if not, then we are “aboriginal” who have the right to decide where and with whom to be (I even I do not watch meetings of fellow citizens for the entry of the Russian Federation) (or even in international law has changed)
    2. OlegVoin
      OlegVoin 23 February 2016 22: 38
      +1
      About how - the original Belarusian lands - for you the already occupied lands of the MOSK.so.v.i.i! And who are you after that?
  27. sancho16
    sancho16 23 February 2016 11: 22
    -2
    We want to control, but precisely to control, and not to keep But father with his gang in exchange for promises.

    The gang is Sobchak-Putin, who turned Leningrad into gangster Petersburg.
    Then one of this gang miraculously jumped to Moscow.
    Then Tsar Boris appointed him the ruler of Russia, which became a solid gangster Petersburg.
    Then this gang said, “Belarus should become part of Russia in whole or in regions,
    I don't see a third option for cooperation. "
    Therefore, stick your great-power show-offs, you yourself know where and remember, you never, nobody
    didn’t contain, only robbed and racketed. Because of the neighbors you yourself made enemies and the real ones
    Enemies for you PORTERS.
    And at the expense of weapons, so in Russian weapons, most of the optics and electronics are Belarusian.
    So why Belarus itself cannot connect these blocks into a single whole?
    1. GDV
      GDV 23 February 2016 14: 29
      -4
      Which of you without sin first throw a stone at her. (Gospel of John)
      I advise you to read at heart this very useful book.
      You are not judges to us, the Lord is our judge and, of course, Belarusians too.
      We Belarusians are blood brothers, and you are a potential adversary.
      And whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword and die
      I hope clearly explained?
      Partner.
    2. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 15: 57
      +2
      To rob and re-establish Russia, it is necessary to learn from the Anglo-Saxons.
      Not in great power show off business. it’s only business, and nothing personal. Enemies are enemies, they can be respected. And the neighbors were friends when they got gas and money from the Russian Federation for free. And as the Russian Federation began to defend its interests, so the war has risen.
      Regarding weapons, well, do it and do not ask for a freebie from the Russian Federation.
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  29. bed111
    bed111 23 February 2016 15: 03
    +2
    Quote: vladmort
    We want to control, but precisely to control, and not to keep But father with his gang in exchange for promises.


    When talk begins that Belarus, Lukashenka, "zmagars" or nationalists (choose the one you need) have seized six Russian regions and they need to immediately join the Russian Federation, because they "owe us", they are not a nation, they just imagined themselves as a separate state (choose the one you need), this does not go into any gate. At the same time, many, having visited Minsk hotels a couple of times in passing and a couple of times googling information about Belarus, already consider themselves experts of the Belarusian ethnos and mentality and "know everything about us" :-).

    He showed comments here to one responsible person from the Russian Federation on a business trip, so he waved his hand. He says, they say, inadequate, "monarchists" who do not know what to do with themselves pensioners and simply "turned" are enough everywhere and it is impossible to take this whole avalanche of delirium seriously ... The government and the President of the Russian Federation know perfectly well how and what they will figure out themselves.

    Quote: cyber
    4. The preparation of the consciousness of the population will begin. Belarusians will suddenly "remember" their exclusivity ... they will understand "that they are not the Russian world, but something special, closer to the Poles (for example) and in general" tse Europe "... All this can take 10-15 years , it all depends on the pliability of Belarusians.But given in what greenhouse conditions you lived (something like the USSR), I think the West will not have to spend a lot of time on you.


    Is it possible to foresee events in Russia in 10-15-20 years for sure? And in the USA? Why run ahead of the steam locomotive in the case of Belarus? ... In my opinion, the opposite will happen. The Belarusians perfectly understand what to expect from "Europe" and are in no hurry to go there. On the other hand, many Russians feel a certain lack of confidence, and sometimes even fear for themselves and their neighbors. We need to calmly develop cooperation, work for the good of our states. Everything will be all right in Russia and Belarus - so no one will go anywhere.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 16: 05
      0
      Inadequate on both sides is not worth paying attention to. let's put it this way, children, overgrowths in whom the pollination did not pass.
      I'll tell you for my friend. Participates in srach. accuses Putin of indecision, demands to send troops to the Donbass, start a war with Turkey, take everything from all the rich, return to the USSR (despite the fact that the icon of Nicholas 2 hangs on the wall and another portrait of Stalin), despite the fact that he is in the army He did not serve, while he has two higher education, does not work anywhere, lives on retired mothers. At times, Belarus is sometimes brothers and friends, then enemies and mercenaries. the boy is 42 years old. And there are a lot of people like me on the site.
  30. cyber
    cyber 23 February 2016 15: 50
    +1
    bed111, is it possible to foresee 100% of the event in 10 years? Naturally impossible! Nobody argues with this. However, everyone sees how the West works in the former Soviet republics and works very successfully on the example of Ukraine. I don’t think Ukrainians are idiots - they were quite civilized, educated people for the most part. But this did not save them from professional manipulators by the consciousness of the masses. And they were by no means stupider than Belarusians or Russians! But the West played on their weaknesses and in the end we got what we got - on the border with Russia, a hostile state full of generally people like us, like Belarusians! Russians are afraid of this more than anything, so that they suddenly do not make enemies out of friends against our wishes!
    The fact that the "responsible comrade" assured you that "everything is under control" - do not flatter yourself! These "responsible comrades", excuse me, did not even notice Ukraine!
  31. vladmort
    vladmort 23 February 2016 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: Sally
    And in Russia you look at the husbands of the sovereigns all follow the interests of the state ...


    Well, let's see who better observes the interests of the state.

    The government costs the average Russian citizen $ 178, the average Belarus $ 255, while the Russian government provides a real (not operetnaya) army. 6 times! better social security (this is to howls about a socially oriented state and the terrible Russian oligarchs). Better education, culture and economics. Not to mention the fact that Russia is a real geopolitical player, and not a limitroph.

    Quote: Sally
    What 6 areas since when did they become Russian?

    Brest, Vitebsk, Gomel, Grodno, Minsk and Mogilev. They have always been part of Russia, since the moment of liberation from Polish slavery.

    Quote: Sally
    (I even do not watch meetings of fellow citizens for the entry of Russia)


    Naturally, the father of the gang knows that these are not lured zmagars, but a real danger to their regime. Meetings will be at the right time.


    Quote: sancho16
    Therefore, stick your great-power show-offs, you yourself know where and remember, you never, nobody
    did not contain, only robbed and racketed


    The facts suggest otherwise. Only in Belarus about $ 100 billion was pumped in, both loans, and subsidies and other preferences. But Great Power, this is a necessary measure, we are already tired of containing all your fake independence.
    Quote: sancho16
    And at the expense of weapons, so in Russian weapons, most of the optics and electronics are Belarusian.
    So why Belarus itself cannot connect these blocks into a single whole?

    Because all funds are spent on maintaining fake independence, there is no money left for such things.
    Quote: bed111
    He showed comments here to one responsible person from the Russian Federation on a business trip, so he waved his hand. He says, they say, inadequate, "monarchists" who do not know where to put themselves pensioners and simply "turned" are enough everywhere and it is impossible to take all this avalanche of delirium seriously ...


    He is either not very smart, or most likely not very sincere.

    Quote: bed111
    The government and the president of the Russian Federation are well aware of how and what they will figure out for themselves.


    Sure, but not as scared as you would like.
    1. OlegVoin
      OlegVoin 23 February 2016 22: 41
      +1
      Boy, aren't you overheating?
  32. ship
    ship 23 February 2016 18: 00
    -1
    cyber rules.
  33. bed111
    bed111 23 February 2016 20: 09
    0
    Quote: vladmort

    Sure, but not as scared as you would like.


    But certainly not the way you imagined yourself :-). You would write books about the seizure of galaxies.

    Quote: vladmort
    He is either not very smart, or most likely not very sincere.


    But he, in my opinion, is extremely objective.
  34. bed111
    bed111 23 February 2016 20: 19
    +2
    Quote: vladmort
    6 times! the best social security (this is to howls about the socially-oriented state and the terrible Russian oligarchs). Better education, culture and economics. Not to mention the fact that Russia is a real geopolitical player, and not a limit player.


    But we have free medicine for everyone, without exception, WITHOUT insurance. And there are no collectors, in principle. And yes - no SUCH oligarchs, and those that are - sit like mice :-). Well, yes - in the absence of a mortgage - soft loans for housing for young families. Of course, this is for now. And, of course, 7 billion dollars - a budget devicit this year. This is a problem, yes ...
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 22: 39
      0
      All this is good. but it won’t last long. nothing happens free, that means someone else pays for it.
      Regarding the oligarchs SUCH, do not be offended, but the scale of the economy is NOT SUCH.
      I have friends who earn a loan for an apartment in Belarus in Russia.
  35. DesToeR
    DesToeR 23 February 2016 23: 17
    0
    Quote: vladmort
    Brest, Vitebsk, Gomel, Grodno, Minsk and Mogilev. They have always been part of Russia, since the moment of liberation from Polish slavery.

    Are you all right with arithmetic? First, explain how did the monarchy in the Commonwealth differ from the monarchy of the Russian Empire in 1795? And yes, there was no serfdom in RI at that moment? Was democracy flourishing? Maybe there was a Constitution? What element of oppression on the part of the Rzecz Pospolita against the population of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was removed with the entry into the Republic of Ingushetia? I say again that we were part of the Commonwealth for more than 200 years, and became part of this state VOLUNTARY, fleeing from defeat in the war with Ivan the Terrible (Russian tsar, if anything). This is about the same as the Belarusians were part of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR combined. Moreover, the fragments of the Commonwealth were forcibly included in the Russian Empire as a result of defeat in the war. Therefore, your words "Were always part of Russia" are too much to say the least.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 23 February 2016 23: 48
      -2
      argue on historical topics is difficult, because the fraud, change different views.
      I am closer to the theory that the soldiers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Principality of Moscow are not a conflict of ethnic groups. and a civil warrior of one nation.
      You don’t tell me where you can read the mention of the Grand Duchy of Belarus, but we know the Principality of Polotsk. We know that they have been included into the composition of RPs and Belarusians.
  36. populist
    populist 24 February 2016 00: 04
    -2
    MINSK, Feb 21 - RIA News. The Belarusian military are studying the experience of the Ukrainian armed forces, which are conducting a military special operation in the east of their country.
    This was stated by the Minister of Defense of Belarus Andrei Ravkov. “We have created special operations forces that carry out the tasks of countering manifestations of hybrid wars and armed conflicts on our territory. We have created and are improving a system of territorial defense ... In the course of combat training, operational training, we, of course, pay very serious attention to these things. we are still very actively studying the experience that the armed forces of Ukraine are also gaining on the territory of their country, "Ravkov said in an interview with the Belarus 1 TV channel, an excerpt of which was shown on Sunday. 

    Judging by this statement, Belarus is an alliance with Ukraine, not with Russia. "Whether it will still be, oh-oh-oh"
    1. Sally
      Sally 24 February 2016 00: 45
      +1
      Judging by the conversations in the comments, she doesn’t have anyone with the union at all (and we are temporary occupiers of the lands of Russia (and we don’t shake our opinion and you will do everything in your own way). And so, in the fulfillment of all obligations and norms of cooperation of the alliance we should not do this (
      How many not-so-beautiful things have been happening lately around (
  37. sevmar
    sevmar 24 February 2016 04: 22
    -2
    But what should Russia do with the fact that Lukashenko did not support the annexation of Crimea to Russia and kisses passionately with Poroshenko? It is more than obvious that we would have had a bloody massacre in the Crimea, and even more so than the Donbass and the NATO fleet would have been in the bays. But Lukashenko was such a friend that he didn’t give a damn about it. Personally, I do not have full confidence in its reliability as a security partner.
  38. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 11: 21
    -2
    Quote: bed111
    But we have free medicine for all, without exception, WITHOUT insurance.


    As for medicine, I agree. The gap is minimal. Russia is best at 14%, and not at times as for other indicators.

    Quote: bed111
    And yes - there are NO SUCH oligarchs, and those that are are sitting like mice :-).


    No oligarchs can cost the people as much as your independent power.
    Quote: bed111
    Well and yes - in the absence of a mortgage - soft loans for housing for young families


    All housing subsidies are included by me in the indicator of social policy.

    Quote: bed111
    And, of course, $ 7 billion is the budget deficit this year. This is a problem, yes ...


    The problem is independence, and the budget deficit is a consequence of the problem ...
  39. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 11: 22
    -2
    Quote: DesToeR
    Is everything all right with arithmetic?


    And with algebra and with trigonometry too.

    Quote: DesToeR
    First, explain how the monarchical system in the Commonwealth differed from the monarchy of the Russian Empire in 1795? And yes, in RI at that moment there was no serfdom? Did democracy flourish? Maybe the Constitution was? What element of oppression on the part of the Commonwealth in relation to the population of the GDL was removed with the entry into the Republic of Ingushetia?


    1. The key differences, in the Republic of Ingushetia there was an autocratic and Orthodox monarchy, in the Republic of Poland, elected pornography, which led to the fact that the Psheks shaved their state.
    2. Serfdom, it’s just the tax system of the time, no more difficult, and in many cases easier than systems in other countries. 3. Democracy and the constitution, these are fetishes that have no practical benefit.
    4. An element of religious oppression, do you hope that the Psheks considered Orthodox people of the second grade?
  40. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 11: 24
    -2
    Quote: populist
    MINSK, Feb 21 - RIA News. The Belarusian military are studying the experience of the Ukrainian armed forces, which are conducting a military special operation in the east of their country.
    This was stated by the Minister of Defense of Belarus Andrei Ravkov. “We have created special operations forces that carry out the tasks of countering manifestations of hybrid wars and armed conflicts on our territory. We have created and are improving a system of territorial defense ... In the course of combat training, operational training, we, of course, pay very serious attention to these things. we are still very actively studying the experience that the armed forces of Ukraine are also gaining on the territory of their country, "Ravkov said in an interview with the Belarus 1 TV channel, an excerpt of which was shown on Sunday.

    Judging by this statement, Belarus is an alliance with Ukraine, not with Russia. "Whether it will still be, oh-oh-oh"


    And no one doubts, pay attention, a military (and not a punitive) operation. To the government of the Republic of Belarus, the Ukrainians are much closer and more understandable. "Modus operandi" is one and the same, to privatize a part of Russia, taking advantage of Russia's temporary geopolitical defeat, to plunder as if not into oneself and to cultivate local Russophobia, which justifies all this.
  41. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 11: 25
    -2
    Quote: Sally
    Judging by the conversations in the comments, she doesn’t have anyone with the union at all (and we are temporary occupiers of the lands of Russia (and we don’t shake our opinion and you will do everything in your own way). And so, in the fulfillment of all obligations and norms of cooperation of the alliance we should not do this (
    How many not-so-beautiful things have been happening lately around (


    I want to remind you that the first (and only, relatively fair) elections, Lukashenka won on the wave of rejection of Belarusization and on the promises of integration with Russia. After that, the propaganda machine was turned on, which reached its logical conclusion on the last prez. "elections" - the most valuable for us is independent Belarus ... What is valuable in keeping rude and deceitful managers on the neck of the people is not specified ...
  42. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 11: 26
    -2
    Quote: sevmar
    But what should Russia do with the fact that Lukashenko did not support the annexation of Crimea to Russia and kisses passionately with Poroshenko? It is more than obvious that we would have had a bloody massacre in the Crimea, and even more so than the Donbass and the NATO fleet would have been in the bays. But Lukashenko was such a friend that he didn’t give a damn about it. Personally, I do not have full confidence in its reliability as a security partner.


    Russia has no other choice but to take this territory under direct control.
    Because, firstly, it is too expensive to maintain a blood-sucking "independence".
    Secondly, if you do not take direct control, then sooner or later there will be NATO, this is the inevitable dynamics of the historical process.
  43. Polochanin
    Polochanin 24 February 2016 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    argue on historical topics is difficult, because the fraud, change different views.
    I am closer to the theory that the soldiers of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Principality of Moscow are not a conflict of ethnic groups. and a civil warrior of one nation.
    You don’t tell me where you can read the mention of the Grand Duchy of Belarus, but we know the Principality of Polotsk. We know that they have been included into the composition of RPs and Belarusians.

    Yes, it’s immediately obvious that you don’t like juggling and changing history. You prefer your personal view of history or rather a personal interpretation of history. The brightest record of the interpretation of history is your Grand Duchy of Russia, Lithuanian and Zhemoytsky. Although all historical documents have a slightly different name - the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Russian and Zhemoyutsky.
  44. bed111
    bed111 24 February 2016 12: 36
    +2
    Quote: vladmort
    Russia has no other choice but to take this territory under direct control.
    Because, firstly, it is too expensive to maintain a blood-sucking "independence".


    And still need to capture the universe and save the fourth dimension :-). Leave, plz. in a personal e-mail and let's just argue that if these conjectures, which you (I must say, quite reasonably), constructed, will come true, at least one hundredth of a percent, are ready to send you a box of brandy at your place of residence. :-)

    In March there will be Putin in Minsk, we will listen, by the way, what he will say :-)
  45. bed111
    bed111 24 February 2016 13: 02
    +2
    After all, even if we assume that some kind of closer integration will take place, then this will require the support of the people, which will require considerable ideological work.
    Quote: vladmort
    I want to remind you that the first (and only, relatively fair) elections, Lukashenko won on the wave of rejection of Belarusanization and on promises of integration with Russia.


    I remember this referendum questions were put there like this:

    - Do you agree with giving the Russian language the same status as Belarusian?

    - Do you support the actions of the President of the Republic of Belarus aimed at economic integration with the Russian Federation?

    But not: Do you agree to join the Russian Federation as another region? This was never even discussed. Only some people expressed something similar. In my opinion, in one of the two branches of the local Communist Party they said so. Now they are or not or they are out of work already, at least.

    However, when I asked one of the local active communists what he thinks about the unification, showed a printout from the forum, he replied in something like this: "The time has not been right for a long time" and "there are enough freaks, including RF ".

    In general, people talk about it almost the same thing. What we have, what you have. Nobody needs such a project today.
  46. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 13: 27
    +1
    Quote: bed111
    And still need to capture the universe and save the fourth dimension :-). Leave, plz. in a personal e-mail and let's just argue that if these conjectures, which you (I must say, quite reasonably), constructed, will come true, at least one hundredth of a percent, are ready to send you a box of brandy at your place of residence. :-)


    I will discuss it with pleasure. Lichka at your service.

    Quote: bed111
    In March there will be Putin in Minsk, we will listen, by the way, what he will say :-)


    I do not think that at this historical moment Russia is ready to fulfill this task. There are strategic goals and there are tactical and operational capabilities. And it is quite probable that it is now tactically more profitable to put up with inappropriate spending of funds to support the regime in the Republic of Belarus.
    Quote: bed111

    I remember this referendum questions were put there like this:

    - Do you agree with giving the Russian language the same status as Belarusian?

    - Do you support the actions of the President of the Republic of Belarus aimed at economic integration with the Russian Federation?

    And not: Do you agree to join the Russian Federation as another region? This was never even discussed. Only some people expressed something similar. In my opinion, one of the two branches of the local Communist Party said so. Now they are either not there or they are already out of work, at least.

    However, when I asked one of the local active communists what he thinks about the unification, showed a printout from the forum, he replied in something like this: "The time has not been right for a long time" and "there are enough freaks, including RF ".

    In general, people talk about it almost the same thing. What we have, what you have. Nobody needs such a project today.


    Naturally, such a question was not posed ... And if it is posed? Yes, even with an explanation of what independence is, and how much it sucks from a skinny Belarusian wallet?
  47. DesToeR
    DesToeR 24 February 2016 13: 58
    0
    Quote: vladmort
    And with algebra and with trigonometry too.

    Commendable!
    Quote: vladmort
    1. The key differences, in the Republic of Ingushetia there was an autocratic and Orthodox monarchy, in the Republic of Poland, elected pornography, which led to the fact that the Psheks shaved their state.
    2. Serfdom, it’s just the tax system of the time, no more difficult, and in many cases easier than systems in other countries. 3. Democracy and the constitution, these are fetishes that have no practical benefit.

    So what was the DEPRESSION? All these autocracy and proclamation, electiveness and pornography are ordinary blah blah blah. Your personal interpretation and vision and nothing more. There is only one essence - the monarchy is here and here, while it’s elected or hereditary does not have any role in DEPRESSION. As the king said, it will be so. About the Constitution, I see you did not even unsubscribe, but apparently they understood the hint.
    Quote: vladmort
    4. An element of religious oppression, do you hope that the Psheks considered Orthodox people of the second grade?

    And what is the oppression? The gentry of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Voluntarily adopted Catholicism. Religion then and now was a bargaining chip. What exactly did a person lose by changing one branch of Christianity to another? Nothing, as now, however.
  48. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 14: 22
    -1
    Quote: DesToeR
    So what was the DEPRESSION? All these autocracy and proclamation, electiveness and pornography are ordinary blah blah blah. Your personal interpretation and vision and nothing more. There is only one essence - the monarchy is here and here, while it’s elected or hereditary does not have any role in DEPRESSION. As the king said, it will be so. About the Constitution, I see you did not even unsubscribe, but apparently they understood the hint.


    The Orthodox and Autocratic monarchy convincingly proved its effectiveness. Providing continuous territorial growth and a corresponding increase in the power of the state. If your ON and RP could fight with Russia on an equal footing in the 16-17th centuries, then by the end of the 18th, they had slipped to direct external control and division, never recovering ...

    Quote: DesToeR
    So what was the DEPRESSION? All these autocracy and proclamation, electiveness and pornography are ordinary blah blah blah. Your personal interpretation and vision and nothing more. There is only one essence - the monarchy is here and here, while it’s elected or hereditary does not have any role in DEPRESSION. As the king said, it will be so.


    Oppression was less, and often much less, than in other empires. Take a tour in London, there you will be shown (with a slight nostalgia) the square where the innovative 3-sided gallows for 21 people stood, and the 6-year-old children hung on them for stealing a loaf of bread ... We won’t talk about pschek, read even the pro-Polish Senkevich.

    Quote: DesToeR
    About the Constitution, I see you didn’t even unsubscribe, but apparently they understood the hint


    They are not standing to talk about them. All constitutions, this is a filkin letter.

    Quote: DesToeR
    And what is the oppression? The gentry of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Voluntarily adopted Catholicism. Religion then and now was a bargaining chip. What exactly did a person lose by changing one branch of Christianity to another? Nothing, as now, however.


    You, as an unbeliever, cannot understand such things. But I will explain the point of view of our ancestors, having converted to Catholicism (Latin heresy, it is also the heresy of papism), they lost the possibility of salvation. Well, with the gentry, and so everything is clear, they would have fled to Satanism (and ran across).
  49. bed111
    bed111 24 February 2016 14: 49
    -2
    Quote: vladmort
    I do not think that at this historical moment Russia is ready to fulfill this task. There are strategic goals and there are tactical and operational capabilities. And it is quite probable that it is now tactically more profitable to put up with inappropriate spending of funds to support the regime in the Republic of Belarus.


    ... But it is quite possible that in the future (if, of course, the right people will keep the situation under control), the process of unification of Belarus and Russia will take place. But for this, of course, you will need to make a lot of very serious efforts. What we have mentioned here. Change the ruling clan, to convince people to agree ... These are all difficult tasks.
    Yes, - simple Belarusians want to drive, work, do not want borders, want to be friends. But this is not the desire of our government. It wants to conserve the regime and, without changing anything, to receive subsidies from the Russian Federation.
  50. vladmort
    vladmort 24 February 2016 15: 21
    0
    Quote: bed111
    ... But it is quite possible that in the future (if, of course, the right people will keep the situation under control), the process of unification of Belarus and Russia will take place. But for this, of course, you will need to make a lot of very serious efforts. What we have mentioned here. Change the ruling clan, to convince people to agree ... These are all difficult tasks.
    Yes, - simple Belarusians want to drive, work, do not want borders, want to be friends. But this is not the desire of our government. It wants to conserve the regime and, without changing anything, to receive subsidies from the Russian Federation.


    I agree. But there is one subtle point. Simple Belarusians should realize that regime change will not solve problems. Unless of course the new leadership will not be aimed at complete integration with Russia.