The end of a miracle

Difficult times are coming for an army that successfully survived 90

Belarus was objectively lucky in terms of military construction. She inherited from the USSR one of the best military districts, located on the main - western strategic direction and acting as the second echelon of groups of troops deployed in the Warsaw Pact countries (GDR and Poland), as well as a number of military-industrial enterprises that produced, in particular complex electronic systems.

The article "Loop of Square" was considered the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In other states of the former USSR, the situation at the moment is not as dramatic as in this country, but there are plenty of problems, including in the military sphere. This also applies to Belarus, which, unlike Ukraine, is listed as our main ally.

Greenhouse disposition

In Belarus, there were no such expensive and complex types of aircraft as the Strategic Missile Forces (the Topol ICBM stationed in its territory 81 Minsk returned Russia back to the 90) and the Navy. The republic has a compact territory in which there are no extreme climatic zones - mountains, deserts, tundra. All these circumstances made it easier and cheaper to create the Armed Forces.

Although objective circumstances are few. You can destroy the initially quite combat-ready and high-quality aircraft. This is exactly what happened in Ukraine, which received from the USSR three very powerful military districts of the same second echelon of the strategic echelon, as in the case of Byelorussian military education, had a relatively compact territory, natural conditions were even more favorable than those of its neighbors, and an even more developed military industrial complex. This, however, did not prevent the deep degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And the Belarusian leadership managed to create the Armed Forces, which for a number of parameters have long been the best in the CIS. Despite the limited financial capabilities of the country, its army is distinguished by a high level of combat and psychological training of personnel, which also has very good social security. Structural reforms were carried out in the Armed Forces, strategic commands (Western and North-Western) were created, as well as territorial troops, providing protection and defense of the most important objects from the actions of enemy landings, sabotage and terrorist formations. The ground forces were transferred to a brigade structure, more adequate for the armies of small countries, while the corps link in connection with the creation of commands was abolished. True, objectively speaking, with such a territory and adjacent directions in terms of sources of threats, the creation of two strategic commands appears to be a somewhat redundant measure. Not surprisingly, in the Air Force, they have already been abolished.

Who, where and how much

Ground forces, as mentioned above, are divided into brigades, there are also separate regiments.

The mechanized brigades are 6 (Grodno), 11 (Slonim), 120 (Minsk). Mobile (assault landing) brigades - 38-I (Brest), 103-I (Polotsk). Special Forces Brigade - 5-I (Maryina Gorka). Mobile brigades and special forces brigade make up the command of the SSO.

Rocket brigades - 465-I (Osipovichi). Artillery Brigade - 111-I (Brest), 231-I (Borovka). Brigade MLRS - 336-I (Osipovichi). Anti-aircraft missile brigades - 62-I (Grodno), 740-I (Borisov). Communication brigades - 86 and 127-I (Kolodishchi, Minsk). Engineering and Sapper Brigade - 2-I (Pines), 188-I (Mogilev), 557-I (Grodno).

Artillery regiments - 1199 (Brest). Communication shelves - 60 (Borisov), 74 (Grodno). Radio shelves - 215, 255 th OSNAZ (Novogrudok).

There is almost 100 PU OTP - 36 with respect to the new "Tochka-U", 60 obsolete P-17.

Tank The park consists of 1356 T-72. Other armored vehicles: about 1600 BMP and BMD (154 BMD-1, 26 BMP-1, 161 BRM-1, 1150 BMP-2), more than 600 armored personnel carriers (181 BTR-80, 374 BTR-70, 22 BTR-D, 66 MTLB).

The artillery has over 600 ACS (54 2S9, 260 2S1, 163 2S3, 120 2S5, 13 2S19, 24 2S7), 252 towed implements (66 D-30, 50 2A36, 136 2A65), 77 mortar 2S12, 316 MRL (201 BM-21, 75 "Hurricane", 40 "Smerch").

The armament consists of ATGM "Fagot", "Competition" (including 126 self-propelled), 110 "Sturm-S", 40 "Metis".

In the military air defense - 12 air defense missile system "Thor", no less than 80 "Wasp", approximately 200 "Strela-10", at least 64 "Igla" and 250 "Strela-2", 48 ZSU "Shilka".

The air force consists of four air bases: 61 fighter (Baranavichy), 116 th assault (Lida), 50 th mixed (Machulishchy), 181 th helicopter (Pruzhany). In service - 27 attack aircraft Su-25 (including 9 Su-25UB) and 36 fighter MiG-29 (12 BM, 8 UB). About X-NUMX Su-40 is stored (apparently in a completely non-flying state), Su-25 bombers (intended for sale abroad) and Su-23 fighters (including 24 Su-23 UM27) before 4, further fate which is unclear.

transport aviation It seems to be purely symbolic, in it there are only 2 Il-76 and 3 An-26. Another 5 An-26 and 1 An-24B are in storage.

Training aircraft: 4 newest Yak-130 and 10 old L-39.

There are 37 combat helicopters MI-24 (with modifications: 10 - B, 11 - P, 8 - K, 8 - P), at least 22 multipurpose Mi-8 and 2 transport Mi-26 (still 6 – 7 stored).

Ground defense includes 4 anti-aircraft missile brigades and a regiment, two radio brigades. Anti-aircraft missile brigades: 15-I (Fanipol, C-300PT), 56-I (Slutsk, “Beech”), 120-I (Baranovichi, “Beech”), 147-I (Bobruisk, C-300В). Shelves: 1 (Grodno, C-300PS), 115 (Brest, C-300PS), 377, 825 (Polotsk, C-200). Radio technical brigades: 8-I (Baranovichi), 49-I (Valerianovo). There are six C-300В divisions, nine C-300PT / PS, four each - C-200 and Buk air defense system. It is the ground defense - the only component of the Armed Forces, which was substantially updated in the post-Soviet period. In 2006, Russia supplied the 4 C-300PS air defense missile division to Belarus, which was adopted by the 115 air defense missile brigade (now the regiment) instead of the obsolete C-125. In 2014, there is also the 4 of the C-300PS ZRS division. In recent years, Belarus has received from Russia the 12 latest Tor-M2E short-range air defense systems for the ground defense of the ground forces, as well as the 4 training aircraft Yak-130 mentioned. All the rest equipment of the Soviet production.

On the territory of Belarus there are Russian military facilities - radar SPRN (Baranavichy) and a submarine control point (43 communication node of the Navy, Vileyka). In addition, as part of the 61 air base, combat duty is at least four fighters of the VKS RF (Su-27 or Su-30).

Zroblena have Belarus

Belarus received about 120 military-industrial complex enterprises from the USSR, but among them there were almost no plants of final assembly. Weapons as such, it was not produced here at all; only automotive vehicles and various equipment were produced. But in Belarus there was a number of repair enterprises.

The leadership of the country, in contrast to the Ukrainian colleagues, very rationally disposed of the inheritance, retaining integration ties with Russia, the main consumer of the Belarusian defense industry. The bulk of supplies to this day are piloting systems, navigation instruments, satellite and space communications, radio stations, antenna devices, stationary and on-board computing systems, optical-mechanical, assembly and control equipment for the production of ultra-large integrated circuits, machines for the production of precision optics, chemical products, electronics, heavy wheeled chassis, trailers and semi-trailers. The Topol and Topol-M ICBMs are located on the MAZ-7310 and MAZ-7917 chassis. And the elements of the air defense system C-300P (radar, control points, PU ZUR) are installed on the chassis MAZ-543.

On the other hand, almost all military equipment in service with the Armed Forces of Belarus is made in the Russian Federation. True, there are modifications of Russian models, for example, the BM-21 Grad MLRS (renamed Belgrade), Shilka ZSU (ZSU-23-4M5), Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters (Su-27BM and MiG -29BM). At the 140th repair plant, a fundamentally new 2T reconnaissance and sabotage vehicle was designed. Automatic control systems of different levels, electronic and optical systems are being created. The 558th aircraft repair plant has successfully mastered several types drones. Belarus has entered the forefront of the post-Soviet space in the production of UAVs, which are now the world military mainstream.

Oil allowance

Moscow and Minsk are developing joint projects in the field of arms exports, both to the CSTO member countries and outside the former USSR. For example, the cooperation of Russian and Belarusian enterprises is upgrading light tanks PT-76, armored personnel carriers BTR-50P, ZRS C-125. This equipment has already been decommissioned in our countries, but still abounds in others that acquired weapons and military equipment from the USSR.

Belarus did not try to do everything herself. On the contrary, it deepens specialization, especially as it manufactures products that are extremely important in the new conditions: it is impossible to build a network-centric army without communication, navigation, reconnaissance, surveillance and control systems. Belarusians managed to create unique means of electronic warfare. As a result, the defense industry “pulled out of context” turned out to be much more successful and more viable than the much larger in size and capabilities and almost self-sufficient defense complex of Ukraine.

Nevertheless, now the situation in Belarus in general and in its Armed Forces is by no means cloudless. As is known, the Lukashenka “economic miracle”, to which even now many of us continue to be surprised, was based on refining cheap Russian oil at local refineries (the best in the USSR) and selling fuel and lubricants to Europe at world prices. When Moscow began to shoot Minsk "with contentment", the miracle ended. Now there is no trace of him. The socio-economic situation in Belarus is catastrophic (for some reason, the majority of Russians do not know). It affects the sun. Began to reduce the level of combat training, pay and social security of military personnel. In addition, the problem of developing the resource of military equipment is becoming more and more obvious, and this is particularly acute for the Air Force. In essence, the Belarusian Armed Forces (as, indeed, both Russian and Ukrainian) require total rearmament, but there is no money for it and is not foreseen.

Alexander Lukashenko is confident that Russia must re-equip the Belarusian army at its own expense (at least at domestic prices). However, Moscow is less willing to do this, especially with its own economic problems.

Where is the Old Man

The Belarusian leader is really interested in one thing: the preservation of his own power. Declaring an alliance with Moscow is only a tool for solving this problem. At the same time, Lukashenko has never been a true ally. This manifested itself when he not only did not recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but began to flirt openly with Saakashvili. Now it is still clearer - the position of Minsk in the conflict between Moscow and Kiev is not even neutral, but clearly pro-Ukrainian. Of course, Lukashenka has every right to do this, only then it is not necessary to broadcast about the Union State and demand various preferences from us.

The Belarusian president repeatedly blackmailed Russia with rapprochement with the West. Now he is doing it more than ever, actively. The West began to reciprocate. Despite the fact that Lukashenka’s domestic policy has not changed at all. From the Western point of view, he must remain a dictator, and an illegitimate one. In fact, Lukashenko’s methods inside the country do not in the least concern the West. Previously, the Old Man was punished for too close (outwardly) alliance with Russia, and now they are encouraging for moving away from it.

Milosevic and Gaddafi, too, were declared dictators of the West, then reconciled with him, and it seemed to both of them that they were now safe. But the political situation changed with tragic consequences for all. The leaders of Georgia and Ukraine were not declared dictators, they were friends with the West against Moscow by all means, for which they received from Russia in full under the non-resistance of the West. Although they also seemed to be protected. Abkhazia, South Ossetia, the Crimea, Syria were actually protected, for they were friends with Moscow (this was stated in the article “Army of the People”). For some reason, however, all these numerous lessons remain untapped.

Of course, now Lukashenko cannot share the fate of Gaddafi and Milosevic, because his army is currently stronger than any European. It is absolutely impossible to imagine a military confrontation between Belarus and Russia (our conflict with Georgia and even Ukraine never seemed incredible). Nevertheless, it seems that the Old Man makes a big mistake.

Comments

[warriordima]

Join the Belarusian Republic of Russia and live in the old days and even better))

[Sweles]

As you know, Lukashenka’s “economic miracle”, which many people continue to be surprised at now, was based on the processing of cheap Russian oil at local refineries (the best in the USSR) and the sale of fuel and lubricants to Europe at world prices. When Moscow began to remove Minsk “from allowance,” the miracle ended.

The first place in the top in terms of payments to the budget is held by OJSC Gazprom transgaz Belarus. In the first half of the year, taxes and fees from this organization amounted to Br4,466 trillion. The share of revenues in budget revenues controlled by the Ministry of Taxes and Levies was 6,2%.
The second place is "Lukoil Belorussia" with the amount of receipts Br2,236 trillion, the share in the budget revenues - 3,1%.
The third and fourth places were taken by Naftan with Br2,209 trillion, a specific gravity of 3,1%, and the Mozyr oil refinery with Br2,167 trillion, a specific gravity of 3%.
In fifth place - JSC "Grodno tobacco factory" Neman "with Br1,655 trillion, 2,3% share in the budget), in 6th place - JSC" Belaruskali "with Br836,234 billion and 1,2% share in the budget ...
In seventh place is Tabak-Invest LLC (Br747,821 billion 821 million, 1%), in eighth - Minsk Kristall OJSC (Br688,379 billion 378,6, share - 1%), m - CJSC Minsk Grape Wines Factory (Br9 billion, specific weight - 677,305%), 0,9th - RUE Minskenergo (Br10 billion, 593,219% share in budget revenues).

as we see, oil refining is only 6% of the republican budget, so Khramchikhin is driving, moreover, the Belarusian economy has even exceeded the 15g surplus plan i.e. income before expenses, the conclusion is that the patient is more likely alive than dead ...

[tolian]

Reader, any revelation of various expert authors on Belarus should raise your question - for what purpose is this written? After all, not everyone knows about the true attitude of the people of this country to the Old Man. Indeed, in the networks you can find only blasphemy against the Old Man open or carefully disguised. But blasphemy. Not everyone in Russia knows about the true face of the opposition in this republic. There is simply no such information in Russia. But there is a hiss on Lukashenko. Someone really needs to drive a wedge carefully between Belarus and Russia. Will not work! Be carefull!

[Victor jnnjdfy]

If we go to the terminology of Mr. Sveles, then it is he himself who drives the empty man. The article was written very competently and with knowledge of the subject of the conversation.
The fact is that a freebie with an oil refinery in the glorious cities of Mozyr and Novopolotsk did not end today, and problems with the Belarusian budget also started not yesterday.
Now the most voluminous item of expenditure in the Belarusian budget is servicing the state debt. To somehow get out of this difficult situation, the Belarusian authorities need to: a) refinance on foreign borrowing markets; b) increase the volume of exports while reducing the volume of imports; c) take money away from the population while reducing the volume of government spending. Lukashenka and Co are now working according to plan "c". With plans "a" and "b", something is not very great with them.
In Belarus, because of the foregoing, social tension has grown sharply and will continue to grow. It should be prepared for the West to actively direct resources to Belarusian nationalists and Russophobes.

[Sweles]

Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy

; c) to take money from the population while reducing the volume of government spending

and how is this expressed, how do you say "take money from the population"?

[ferro4]

new taxes and requisitions are introduced almost daily

[Sweles]

Quote: ferro4

new taxes and requisitions are introduced almost daily

Well so in Russia the same thing, a capital repair tax, a tax on heavy trucks, an increase in utility tariffs, or is this not your concern?

[avia1991]

Quote: Sveles

and how is this expressed, how do you say "take money from the population"?

Yes, in the same way as ours: a decrease in social spending, a decrease in real incomes of the population - incl. a fall in the level of wages due to its "optimization", a reduction in the cost of housing construction, modernization of equipment, education and medicine - and so on.

[kitamo]

Quote: Sveles

as we see, oil refining is only 6% of the republican budget, so Khramchikhin is driving

I understand from your post. what

JSC "Gazprom transgaz Belarus". In the first half of the year, taxes and fees from this organization amounted to Br4,466 trillion. The share of receipts in budget revenues controlled by the Ministry of Taxes and Levies was 6,2%.
The second place is "Lukoil Belorussia" with the amount of receipts Br2,236 trillion, the share in the budget revenues - 3,1%.
The third and fourth place was taken by Naftan with Br2,209 trillion, the share of 3,1%,
and Mozyr oil refinery with Br2,167 trillion, specific gravity 3%

Do all of these enterprises account for 6%, or does one of them work with gas and oil produced in Belarus?

[stas132]

Three oil and gas companies accounted for 9% of tax revenues, while all the remaining about 6% of the remaining taxes. And even the amount of deductions is disproportionate. So you are, to put it mildly, wrong.

[Avers375]

This is a miracle. In Belarus, fuel prices are tied to the dollar and the last time when oil is getting cheaper. fuel rises in price

[SMikhalych]

Quote: Avers375

This is a miracle. In Belarus, fuel prices are tied to the dollar and the last time when oil is getting cheaper. fuel rises in price

I recommend that you take the calculator in hand and calculate ... it turns out that the price has increased in national currency, since the latter is linked to a "basket" of currencies, including the Russian ruble. And the currency price (lately, gas stations are not sold for currency), at least stands still or slightly lower, but this is a separate topic. So you have to sometimes turn on the MOSC.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: warriordima

Join the Belarusian Republic of Russia and live in the old days and even better))

This is not against Belarusian statehood and other national gadgets.
If it were my will, I would create museums in Russia of all nationalities of the world - out of respect for people and for Nature itself, which created us different.
But Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are a separate issue.
By our standards, we are one people.
Although fate could have turned out differently. and now Novgorod the Great, Rostov the Great and Serpukhov would be in different states. This is how Germany most recently consisted of Prussia and other former states, and Austria and Holland were not included in its composition.
And the Norwegians separated from the Swedes ...

Belarusians cannot be separated from Russia now, otherwise there will be trouble. The trouble for the Belarusians and the Orthodox world, or rather the trouble for the idea of ​​justice on planet Earth.

This is especially clear after what happened in Ukraine ...
2 years apart from Russia - and no "help" from the West, no happiness and cookies ended. But already without that state of mind that is inherent in the person of the Russian world.

You can disagree with me.
I see.
But opponents of the inseparability of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians must agree that reconciling in our souls the desire to live in the West does not at all coincide with the concepts of our ancestors about justice and duty.

[tolian]

Do not you agree do not agree,
yes speculators from Belarus on its western border. But But Father does not give this speculation to live. Well, it is also possible that some of the philologists who are fed by "Mova".
And which fairy tales tell people about her. In general, we Russians, Belarusians, should be grateful to the Ukrainians. They showed us what awaits us all, if for Western cookies everyone starts to jump. Excellent show !!!

[ferro4]

I bring to your attention that among Belarusians many Catholics

[dima mzk]

I bring to your attention that among the Russians there are many Muslims, Buddhists, the same Catholics and a lot of Orthodox! what's next ?

[ferro4]

despite the fact that your mention of the Orthodox world is inappropriate or provocative

[SMikhalych]

Quote: ferro4

I bring to your attention that among Belarusians many Catholics

When making such arguments, try to be specific. In this case, the "multitude" is 15% of the population of the Republic of Belarus. But is it a lot or a little? Like in a cartoon about a boa constrictor: three nuts are a heap? And 5?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Sergey S.

Belarusians cannot be separated from Russia now, otherwise there will be trouble.

The trouble will be, first of all, for Belarus. Old Man is blackmailing Moscow with a Western bias? Yes, let it be! Long swing left and right does not work, he will not want to be a puppet of the State Department. Swinging to Moscow - what if it turns out to be late? Then Maidan? Is Old Man ready for him? Either crush the Belarusian horses with tanks, or bend under the Minsk Maidan and repeat the fate of Yanyk. And who in Belarus is ready to turn his country into Ukraine-2?

I'm not talking about the state wretchedness of ALL fragments of the USSR, except Russia, I'm not talking about the ridiculous attempts of the former "brotherly family" to find food either again in Russia, or begging for food from America, or honestly working out the bone by yapping at Russia ... The main thing that they cannot understand is that they have become independent - but to health! Just do not spit in Russia, you will die of hunger!

As our chief of staff said - "You are us .... - I will step over, I will be ... - you will drown!"

[Bagnyuk selo]

would long ago have joined if not the niggers and the oligarchs!

[AlexSK]

Well, about oligorhat understandable, but who you mean by "niggers"? Caucasus? Tatarstan? Buryatia? Well, let’s brilliantly, let’s shave the whole country today, separate all regions, and it will remain, the country is within the Moscow principality and then you will join us? Only on ... then we will need you. No, thank you.

[co-creator]

Quote: AlexSK

Well, about oligorhat understandable, but who you mean by "niggers"? Caucasus?

Caucasus, Asia. That's right, why Belarusians need this problem.

[Lekxnumx]

In fact, it will be rude but vital. Only (as it were to put it mildly) well, a log stump can feel the onslaught of newcomers in its own skin. For how many years I have lived although I have been young, but have been to different cities. And in my city, any part of it, I’m nobody black, white, yellow, I won’t give a reason to treat me disrespectfully. And wherever I was a guest I respected everyone, if I didn’t give a reason, who can squander in front of you? If a person suffers from the environment, then there’s no purge from black and white, he will not make yellow lawless men a man. He will remain offended by the environment as a simple offender and patient!

[co-creator]

Quote: Lek3338

In fact it will be rude but vital

In fact, it is also very vital. With the people who recognize only the right to live strong, no one wants to. This is me about the peoples of the Caucasus.
Why are these problems needed?
It's not about cleaning. Learn to finally be modern people where strength is needed for protection, rather than suppressing the weaker. You are the first to run to the police when you really begin to be pinched.

Just wondering why there are no problems, for example, with the Poles in Germany, but are there Arabs? Here is the same thing. Well, most of you cannot live in society, and from here no one wants to see you at home.

[Lekxnumx]

Sometimes it seems to me that some of you Slavs live in a parallel world of stereotypes. Is it a right of the strong? Does it bother to bother him by the leg? Does I go to pester everyone in a row? How is this manifested in everyday life? Delirium shorter. Arabs, of course, compared! Actually, the Caucasians agree among themselves much more than they take up their fists. By the way, the same Arabs have much less crime in their homeland than if they are comparable with Europe and the USA. Maybe the problem is that they are called second-rate in the places where they live? I can also say nonsense now, like you Slavs are slaughtering each other in Ukraine. And that this will be an argument for the characteristics of the Slavs. Second and in the West the first name of the European race is the Caucasian race. Again I say that a person cannot come to visit me and engage in lawlessness at my place if protective preventive maintenance is carried out in the face there is a good method. This is by no means the right of the strong, it’s called if you don’t reach over your head it will go over your legs. Is it right the strong?)) Kindergarten by God in the Russian army hazing means all Russians respect only the right of the strong? all normal men go through the army. It’s not at all connected with age, youthful minimalism of judgment. It’s most funny when VO remembers 18 year old comrade suckers in the army and draw conclusions from those events about entire nations. It’s ridiculous to sit down to talk about life with norms of an adult and understand who is who.

[Lekxnumx]

By the way, the same Arabs on the philosophy of the universe will be much clearer than the average European, even Russian. Is this their strong point, do you think they recruit Caucasians, even Russian guys into their ranks? Just promising 40 guriy? this is nonsense, no one will take this. But all sorts of Ishils Daishi or whatever they are, recruit very educated people "White" also by the way. Because they are savages? They fill the gap that all modern technologies, intelligence, ingenuity cannot fill , developed technologies of Western man. Therefore, on their way, a zombie person dies, and a zombie puppeteer, in fact, cannot be a stupid savage rather higher. Conclusion? do it yourself, you cannot look at life with labels.

[sq]

under the niggers understand those who ride on the black lacquered machines in black suits on the "made in not ours" and black ochochkah, eats black caviar in a black all of us believes chernolapotnymi

[Sergey S.]

Quote: kvm

under the niggers understand those who ride on the black lacquered machines in black suits on the "made in not ours" and black ochochkah, eats black caviar in a black all of us believes chernolapotnymi

Excellent!

[xBoris]

.. for this, it is necessary to restore order in Russia. I talked with ordinary people .. Their opinion is that it is better to conduct business in Russia, but to live in Belarus. There is more order.
That's when we eradicate corruption ... then - you can talk about reunification.

[Vadim237]

Old Man will not allow this while he is in power.

[max702]

Quote: Vadim237

Old Man will not allow this while he is in power.

Will join and put the dad in our prime minister .. Let GDP steers on the external front, and the Old Man in the internal government is enough for everyone! The daddy has a team and there is a team for this .. There would be an ideal scenario for our country .. BUT GDP will not do that anymore. It’s too likely that the dad will also damage the pretty close circle of GDP, and indeed can seize power .. So alas, nobody at the top thinks about the good of the COUNTRY, but first of all, about their loved ones .. And it won’t make any sacrifices .. We will pay for the thirst for power ..

[user]

Old Man on the internal authority is enough for everyone!

Yes, there aren’t enough tourists from us, they will steal and live in the decaying West or build communism on a single collective farm in Belarus and will also survive there. But for some reason no one wants to live in their own country.
Let the father rule at his place as the people and the constitution allow, and cooperate and trade with us on mutually beneficial economic (and not as now - on special) terms. Enough already, how to live under Yeltsin, remember "when the master comes, the master will judge us....." if we don't tear our ass off (referring to some circumstances and problems) no one will do anything for us and will not solve it.

[dima mzk]

and what the hell do we have this dad? and why did you take the nice person that he is able to something here and someone to tidy up? And why doesn’t anyone think about the good of the country? Let's think! We have 17 million sq. Km. you need to feed the millionth army and maintain combat readiness. it is necessary to modernize the civilian infrastructure, what is happening, somewhere worse, somewhere better. If you are not able to take care of your own well-being here, well, you go from here, nagging will not help. let's arrange another revolution and put the country in a cesspool!

[siberalt]

Recently E. Satanovsky expressed bewilderment about Lukashenka's supply of weapons to terrorist intermediaries in Syria. This is such a "multi-vector" policy of our allies. Money doesn't smell.

[Patton5]

Recently E. Satanovsky expressed bewilderment about Lukashenka's supply of weapons to terrorist intermediaries in Syria. This is such a "multi-vector" policy of our allies. Money doesn't smell

But do not we trade with Saudi Arabia and Qatar ...? Pretending not to know who supports radical Islamists around the world. So yes the money doesn't smell ...

[sufix]

I don't understand why the author in a negative way imagines that Batko is pulling the blanket over himself? He's the president of Belarus, not another state. It is clear that Belarus can live only with Russia, but this does not mean that anything will be just friendship - all relations should be business. They scold him or praise him - I can neither confirm nor deny the sins attributed to him, but I know that in Belarus, in contrast to Ukraine, in which the "democratic" regime pleasing to overseas and European "friends" has won, against which the media do not roll a barrel even despite the unleashed civil war, so in Ukraine rushing full full "pikraschennya". And the fact that Batko first of all strengthens the position of his country, and not anyone else, deserves respect. Well, they blaspheme him, well, they scold him, I tell him how badly he behaves with Russia, how he does not support the Ukrainian issue (although he rather has his own opinion) - in fact, this is all the media walking through the pipes. In reality, for the last 15 years Belarus is the closest ally of Russia in terms of interests, for there will be no Russia - there will be no Belarus either.

[wax]

Lukashenko has the mentality of a typical farm kurkul, and the Russian world does not have to expect sincere service from him.

[Patton5]

Everyone has different outlooks on life, but how would you rate the mentality of our ruling elite !?

[Kasym]

Frankly speaking, there is little about Belarus.
Since we (the CIS) are located in the infarmation field of Russia, it turns out that all the republics know about the affairs of Russia, but know little about other republics. Well, except when events such as Maidan or 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX occur. And most often the media cover negative phenomena or some scandals. Therefore, some negative is postponed in the heads.
Take the relationship between Minsk and Kiev. The author is indignant at the relationship between Batka and Poroshenko. But he does not say anything about economic relations, and why Old Man does this, what are the reasons. In my opinion, these relations are very close. Well, the same tractors and combines - Ukraine is a significant agricultural producer. And there is a whole country behind the presidents, here you will go wild, willy-nilly. Therefore, more detailed and varied information is needed. Therefore, when it comes to Kazakhstan or Central Asia, I often try to comment in more detail. Recently, there was an article about Kyrgyz armored personnel carriers, so I got into such "geopolitics" that I myself ... .

[ferro4]

first of all, it should serve the Belarusian world

[ferro4]

we have enough of our oligarchs

[SMikhalych]

Quote: ferro4

we have enough of our oligarchs

Can you list?
I don’t even think that they will fit on the fingers of one hand and all the courtiers

[Avers375]

With pleasure. Only who will give it to us? It's time to hold a referendum, I will vote for joining Russia.

[Flank]

It is possible that it would be better to join Russia to Belarus.

[Mavrikiy]

Well, how not to believe the West? After all, they promise what I want to hear.

[Hammer]

Alexander Lukashenko is confident that Russia should re-equip the Belarusian army at its own expense (at least at domestic prices)

What the hell? That in 10 years in Belarus there will be a Maidan and the Russians will be accused of all troubles and declared aggressors? Better we spend money on pro-Russian propaganda in fraternal, the return will be more.

[Sweles]

Quote: Hammer

What the hell? That in 10 years in Belarus there will be a Maidan and the Russians will be accused of all troubles and declared aggressors? Better we spend money on pro-Russian propaganda in fraternal, the return will be more.

there are no Bandera in Belarus, so there’s no need to drive about Maidan ...

[james]

There is enough of your city - read the forums on the main site http://www.tut.by/ on the topics of Ukraine, Syria, etc. The generation of the 90s that did not know the USSR grew up and matures, and there are simply enough of all sorts, especially among those whose careers burst with decay.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Belsat is broadcasting with might and main from Poland, groups are being created on social networks, including from Polish IP, svidomye from Ukraine and biologandniks are being pulled in there and the persecution of those who are for Belarus and the alliance with Russia begins, and the moderator himself doesn’t light up much, but pulls up the mongrel with other groups, and as a rule the moderator has more than one of them, then comments are slowly cleaned up and this goes on constantly

[cyber]

And not only on social networks hang out. They freely come from Ukraine and hold rallies in the center of Minsk in support of Bandera, as in March 2015, for example. And the authorities of Belarus look at it through their fingers.

[cyber]

And not only on social networks hang out. They freely come from Ukraine and hold rallies in the center of Minsk in support of Bandera, as in March 2015, for example. And the authorities of Belarus look at it through their fingers.

[shans2]

our site Echo of Moscow does the same thing in one, and both the St. Petersburg site and the Moscow one.

[Shadowcat]

There would be a desire, but anything will come up and be found.

[Fotoceva62]

No? Well, they may be called differently, and so ... same eggs, only in profile ...

[Bayonet]

Take a look at the top photos. On the right, some reenactors are cosplaying the 30th Belarusian Waffen-SS division, and on the left is the training base of the Vayar detachment, the fighting wing of the Belarusian nationalist organization Young Front. According to the leader of the Young Front, Zmitser Dashkevich, the movement was created to counter the pro-Kremlin "the fifth column", as well as for the direct preparation of the country's patriots in case of a possible occupation by Russia. The left picture was taken quite recently, this winter. Pay attention to the almost identical sleeve emblems, as well as to the submachine gunner with a pixelated face. Judging by the characteristic scarf and flag, this is a Ukrainian instructor-pravosek, teaching his "brothers" to fight. I think anyone understands whom the ideological heirs of the Belarusian SS men are preparing to fight against

[ferro4]

sleeve emblems? look at the sleeve emblems of Vlasovites and other Cossacks in the Wehrmacht

[Polochanin]

Bandera in its pure form, maybe not. But there are enough nationalists and oppositionists of different stripes. From the opposition it is likely that not all are ideological. Someone because of money, for him it is a way of financial well-being.
With all the shortcomings of Lukashenko, only thanks to him personally, Belarus did not go into the zone of influence of the West. The author does not mention that the country is under Western sanctions, almost the entire period of the aforementioned person in power. And these sanctions are not only political but also economic. In Belarus, there has long been no ambassador from the United States, there is no one to distribute the liver to.
Why is there no real association? From the point of view of a simple Belarusian, everything is very simple. There is no desire to give at bargain prices actual engineering enterprises (MAZ, MTZ, MZKT, GomSelMash), oil refineries, and chemical industry. Indeed, disputes over the MZKT and MAZ were precisely for this reason, disagreement in the estimated value of assets.

[Nsk 54]

Old Man, like a smart monkey from a Chinese proverb, thinks to sit out while the tigers fight. But only if Russia loses, then the West does not need its regime.
By the way, at MO in 2016 and agricultural support the same amount of funds. We would also have supported agricultural

[Shadowcat]

You can not argue, but there is one small BUT in this wisdom.
When the artillery cannonade speaks and the infantry with tanks go on the attack, there will be no buffer. And considering that Belarus is this buffer you can forget about neutrality, it will be put on all sides by it.
So this proverb applies to China. Well, to whom where and where to step through it?

P.S. About neutral with Switzerland. Firstly, it did not flatten out to anyone, secondly, the mountain landscape decides, thirdly their neutrality is a big myth (talk with the Swiss when they are not in the EU and look at the actions of neutral Swiss banks).

[Bayonet]

Quote: Nsk 54

.That would also have agricultural support

For this, the president must be the former chairman of the collective farm!

[Kubyanka]

And we have both graduates - St. Leningrad University, Hurists ...

[Panabebis]

Nevertheless, it seems that the Old Man is making a big mistake.

That's exactly what the impression is. Old Man is an old fox who is capable of bluffing :)

[Walking]

Sitting on two chairs will not work. Lukashenko does not want to learn from the mistakes of others.

[ferro4]

twenty-one years he does it perfectly. sure will succeed in the future

[individual]

All words about alliance must be left.
There are only fellow travelers.
For Russia, only their army and navy were and will be allies.

[dchegrinec]

Lukashenko has some trait of confusion and tyranny. He has personal ambitions and self-esteem above historical ties. No matter how difficult the personal relations of the presidents of the two countries were, blackmailing Russia with relations with the West is categorically not permissible. If he or they do not understand this, then Belarus will expect the fate of such countries as Moldova, Bulgaria, Ukraine and other Slavic states, which are staring too much where they don’t need it. Europe is like a resort! He arrived with money, took a walk, you were served by Europeans ... and left!

[ferro4]

Moldova is not a Slavic country. in addition to Ukraine, in Europe there are many successful Slavic states - Poland, Czech Republic, Slovenia and other things, etc. ...

[ewgen]

I in no way want to praise Lukashenko, but his position on a number of political events is fully justified. If it weren’t for that position, the EU and the US would crush the country's frail economy with sanctions. This is just my opinion.

[allim]

Old Man is doing everything right that doesn’t give up the country to Russian oligarchs. His plants are working. People are busy. First in Russia, the economy needs to be changed and then united. Ideally, Old Man is the head of the entire union of such a Russian host.

[EvgNik]

Quote: allim

First, in Russia, the form of the economy needs to be changed, and then unite

I agree with this, but in general, Lukashenko is not a gift.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: EvgNik

I agree with this, but in general, Lukashenko is not a gift.

And who is the present? At times I still wonder!

[Riv]

Everything is more complicated than it seems. At work, I was faced with the supply of components of Belarusian production. Their management is something. Nobody needs anything. Have you sold it? Good. Not sold? Fine too. Less hassle. It’s not realistic to make your ass rise. Well, a scoop - he is a scoop. The only difference with Ukraine is that they are eating up the Soviet legacy a little slower.

Hence the problems with Russian entrepreneurs at the state level. Let Russians in - and Belarusian enterprises to withstand competition will not be real. As a result, Lukashenko is simply forced to counter the Russian business and all its throwing between east and west is just a consequence.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Riv

Well, a scoop - he is a scoop.

It’s absolutely true, until recently, I visited Belarus at least once a month - for the last 10 years, probably nothing has changed at all, only more have thumped

[Thrall]

The Belarusian model of government and the economy has its pros and cons. There are no contradictions between the government and the people. The electorate guarantees the irreplaceability of the leader, and he guarantees decent poverty to the population and stability in the country.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Thrall

and that - decent poverty and stability in the country.

I would like to agree, but you had decent poverty when it was possible to drive a BMW dumpster from Germany for $ 500, and with the latest events in Ukraine, your stability was shaken

[Avers375]

It was the retirement electorate, which guaranteed itself a pension equal to about the wages of workers and a complete "ass" to the common people.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Avers375

It was the retirement electorate, which guaranteed itself a pension equal to about the wages of workers and a complete "ass" to the common people.

Old Man, unlike our economists, the enterprise does not fall apart. I worked at the ZIL branch. At the beginning of the 90, he received a salary 4 times more than my mother, a cashier. And right now, even Zil's forging is hard to find.

[Avers375]

I am sure Belarus will not happen without Russia. We need to unite — in your government and government there are many more clever goals that will no longer allow the economy to collapse. Only Kudrin is worth it!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Avers375

I am sure Belarus will not happen without Russia. We need to unite — in your government and government there are many more clever goals that will no longer allow the economy to collapse. Only Kudrin is worth it!

Are you kidding about Kudrin? Remember Naebulin and Gref.

[Avers375]

I’m not scoffing - under Kudrin, a civilized order appeared in Russian finance. There was no budget deficit. The budget was replenished. The economy was rising. Let us come to work with us, and at the same time to teach some. He is a popular figure with us.

[Mordvin 3]

Yes, take away all our economists and lawyers for God's sake. Only then you will howl the beluga. Do you even understand why our tractors are manufactured in Canada? And the economy lives on oil and gas, which Belarus does not have. And, I understand, you want to cling. So it used to be done before, when there was oil on 100 bucks.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Riv

Let Russians in - and Belarusian enterprises to withstand competition will not be real.

Especially in heavy and light industry! Talk nonsense! Ask how many tractors of different classes Belarus produces, and how many ours. Fabrics, stockings with socks - Belarus is ahead of Russia. The only thing we can compete in is the ability to mediate between the manufacturer and the buyer. The mediators of Belarus really can’t stand the competition!

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ask how many tractors of different classes Belarus produces, and how many ours.

1. Initially, the comparison was not entirely correct; this question had to be asked to the leadership of the USSR, which the BSSR had turned into a monopolist of production of WHEEL tractors.
Accordingly, the question is, how many TRACK tractors were produced in Belarus ?!
2. By the way, I asked, we produce a couple of thousand tractors a year, tens of thousands in Belarus - BUT our tractors (and foreign ones all the more) are more expensive!
Therefore, I have a question of QUALITY of manufactured tractors
3. And yes, how much to produce in the modern world means so much to sell - in Belarus tens of thousands of tractors produced but not sold to anyone rust in factory warehouses - in the country it turns out to be a mess and misuse of funds!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

This question had to be asked to the leadership of the USSR, which it was the BSSR that turned into a monopolist in the production of WHEEL tractors.

Strong answer! The USSR is to blame for the illogical distribution of capacities! Ukraine left more capacities - so what?

Quote: Mr. PIP

Therefore, I have a question of QUALITY of manufactured tractors

Are there any examples of better quality tractors with us? If not, no allegations are needed.

Quote: Mr. PIP

in Belarus tens of thousands of tractors produced but not sold to anyone are rusting at factory warehouses

Where did the woods about rusting tractors come from? Just do not need to upload pictures of tractors clogged with tractors - I can give an example of clogged VAZ sites, but Kalina and Grantasamaya sold cars in Russia. It is a fact.
So otkel firewood? Can the facts be?

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ukraine left more capacities - so what?

Not so much, and you do not compare the warm one with the round one - even if it’s ineffective but the board does not compare with effective but plunder - the fact that Father didn’t let everything go down (to be more precise, he cleaned everything up) does not mean that he effectively manages all this

Quote: Ingvar 72

Are there any examples of better quality tractors with us?

Yes, you look at the same performance characteristics - for example, profitability - or is the cost of the average monthly maintenance of equipment in your opinion not important for business?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Just do not need to upload pictures of tractors clogged with tractors - I can give an example of clogged VAZ sites, but Kalina is the best-selling car in Russia.

Just not Kalina, but Grant - and you don’t compare cars on AvtoVAZ sites (you don’t think that cars from the conveyor load the train directly onto the railway), which are waiting for loading and for which there is already an order with Belarusian platforms, where some tractors have been standing for years

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

the fact that Father did not let everything fart (more precisely, he tidied everything up) does not mean that he effectively manages all this

Russia has left more for itself - and so what? Profukali, and beautiful. If Yeltsin and GDP controlled state property according to the Batkin manuals, I would be in favor of both.

Quote: Mr. PIP

Yes, you TTX the same look

Whose exactly? It's about our tractors. In the meantime, people vote with a ruble - on the streets "Belarus" and imported tractors (JSB, CAT and China.)

Quote: Mr. PIP

with Belarusian sites, where some tractors have been standing for years

Can the facts be?
PS

Quote: Mr. PIP

Only not Kalina, but Grant

Both are standing. I live in Togliatti.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Ingvar 72

If Yeltsin and GDP controlled state property according to the Batkin manuals, I would be in favor of both.

And I am against:
We now have a higher standard of living than in Belarus, although in the 90s we had a quiet horror, in Belarus this was not - a fact - but now it’s not easier for them
But for all these 25 years Belarus has had a solvent market for selling their products from bulbs to textiles - a country’s market with a population of almost 150 million for a country with a population of less than 10 million. This is MEGA. Cool - But father has exchanged our dollars for his promises for 25 years - and the result of these billions of injections into the economy of Belarus where ?!

Quote: Ingvar 72

In the meantime, people vote in rubles - on the streets of "Belarus"

In this case, not "people" but communal services - and then the conversation was originally about quality

Quote: Ingvar 72

Can the facts be?

And it’s not fate to google yourself, so as not to ask in a dispute, but to operate with numbers yourself

Quote: Ingvar 72

I live in Togliatti

I live in Moscow - we have regular discounts on almost all foreign cars of the last model year on a regular basis - I haven’t heard such a thing about AvtoVAZ, although that AvtoVAZ and “Belarus” until recently were of the same level.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

We now have a higher standard of living than in Belarus, although in the 90s we had a quiet horror, in Belarus this was not - a fact - but now it’s not easier for them

This is where we have a better standard of living? In Moscow? What about social security? And you compare short periods of development. And if Old Man would have our resources?

Quote: Mr. PIP

and the result of these billions of injections into the economy of Belarus where ?!

Sorry - how many billions are we gave RB?

In this case, not "people" but communal services - and then the conversation was originally about quality

Do communal services not count money? And they don’t look at quality?

And it’s not fate to google yourself, so as not to ask in a dispute, but to operate with numbers yourself

Cool way of arguing!

I live in Moscow

Well, that’s the answer to all my questions.

[Mordvin 3]

Mr. PIP, which Down, Dr. House, probably considers those Russian tractors that are produced in Canada.

[Mordvin 3]

Vanya, did you give me a minus?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Mr. PIP, which Down, Dr. House, probably considers those Russian tractors that are produced in Canada

Mr. PIPka, apparently your bad
What do they have there with the salary of the creator?
Schazz will be made an argument with us and a long list of tidy enterprises with a total employment of 300-400 people, and those who produce popular low-cut vysers
and we boom him applaud

[UNFAMILIAR]

Quote: Mr. PIP

1. Initially, the comparison was not entirely correct; this question had to be asked to the leadership of the USSR, which the BSSR had turned into a monopolist of production of WHEEL tractors.

You are wrong, wheeled ones were produced in the RSFSR, USSR, MolSSR, UzSSR, and now they started to be produced in Kazakhstan (KamAZ ), another thing is the class of a row-crop tractor, the MTZ model is a kind of tractor "Kalashnikov", which has found its consumer both in Africa and Germany (by the way, I think MTZ has the same problems as Kalashnikov, i.e. obsolescence, difficulty in matching the word modern agricultural equipment, and a plastic hood and Chinese optics cannot solve the problem) At the St. Petersburg Tractor Plant (daughter of Kirovsky) in the early mid-2000s, they could knock out up to 50% of the MTZ market by releasing K3000, the first tractor in Russia equal to the "Belarus" in row-crop class , more expensive, except for the frame, everything is imported, but if interested, it was possible to localize, force to buy state. organizations, to develop a dealer network, subsidies for the purchase, etc., as a result was discontinued, produced under a different brand in the Tambov region, in small batches, a modest competitor of John Deere, and PTZ almost died with its only in the CIS with powerful tractors and only now, barely, begins to breathe

[SMikhalych]

Quote: Mr. PIP

1. Initially, the comparison was not entirely correct; this question had to be asked to the leadership of the USSR, which the BSSR had turned into a monopolist of production of WHEEL tractors.
Accordingly, the question is, how many TRACK tractors were produced in Belarus ?!

Apparently you have never heard about product diversification during the Soviet era. If this concept is unknown to you, then I will explain. MTZ was originally designed as universal row crop tractor (I hope it’s quick enough to decipher, and if not, Google’s hands). The main traction class was 1,4 tons. The main competitor in this segment was the T-40 tractor (Lipetsk). But the priority was left to Minsk, because the GSKB for universal row cultivating machines was located in Minsk. Reasonable, isn't it?
At KhTZ (Kharkov), at that time, the production of tractors of 3 tons traction class began, at Kirovsky in St. Petersburg - 5 tons of traction class, and in Tashkent - 0,9 tons.
As for tracked vehicles, they were not originally planned for release at MTZ, but over time they were mastered and now they are in the line on a rubber track. Over time, life forced to expand the range of products that can be looked at the MTZ website, if, of course, not laziness.

Quote: Mr. PIP

2. Therefore, my question is QUALITY of the produced tractors

The issue of quality has always been, is and will be. Regardless of the manufacturer. At one time, everyone was chasing the MTZ exactly in red, because it was considered, like, export. Basically, yes - it was exported. But I watched the picture on the main conveyor when the driving driver started the car, and oil whistled out of all the holes ... well, it happened, someone didn’t manage to squeeze the bolts between the engine and gearbox But on the other hand, there are also reviews of foreign farmers right up to Australia, who still have 80s running, like trotters

Quote: Mr. PIP

3. And yes, how much to produce in the modern world means so much to sell - in Belarus tens of thousands of tractors produced but not sold to anyone rust in factory warehouses - in the country it turns out to be a mess and misuse of funds!

But this is a bell ringing. From time to time I pass by the transport checkpoint of the factory and see the lines of trucks that are behind both the finished product and the car kits (these are mainly cars from Yelabuga, where MTZ large-assembly units are being assembled). So you need to follow the bazaar, because here they’ll catch the language without problems and will not look at shoulder straps
PS My awareness of certain issues related to MTZ is explained very simply - at one time our laboratory was directly related to testing the prototype of the machine, which is now called MTZ-1221, which we are proud of. We are not ashamed of our work

[cyber]

And what is the problem for the "Old Man" to move from Russia to the west? There is a good example: Erdogan is a worse dictator than Lukashenka and is quite happy with the West, moreover, the West does not notice his antics of any degree of cruelty and cynicism!
Therefore, the point is not that Lukashenka is a dictator or a democrat, this, by and large, does not bother anyone in the West. The main thing is how he can be useful to the West and whether he is ready to become as useful "...." as they like to say.

[Volga Cossack]

Quote: Nsk 54

Old Man, like a smart monkey from a Chinese proverb, thinks to sit out while the tigers fight. But only if Russia loses, then the West does not need its regime.
By the way, at MO in 2016 and agricultural support the same amount of funds. We would also have supported agricultural

Belarus’s economy is entirely - Agriculture and processed products - otherwise it won’t survive .......... but everything is of high quality.

[niki233]

at the expense of quality a moot point on this minus

[EvgNik]

Quote: niki233

at the expense of quality a moot point on this minus

Quality is your fault. There was a test to compare the Belarusian watch "Electronics" and the Japanese new model. "Electronics" bypassed in all respects. I had a Ukrainian gas stove - smoked it and fell apart after 2 years. Now it is 4 years old Belarusian. The wife will not be overjoyed. And my watch "Electronics", my wife too.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: EvgNik

There was a test to compare the Belarusian watch "Electronics" and the Japanese new model. "Electronics" bypassed in all respects.

Eeeee ..... and can I have a link ?!

Quote: EvgNik

I had a Ukrainian gas stove - smoked and fell apart after 2 years. Now 4 years Belarusian.

Well, you have found something to compare, of course!

[Thrall]

"Electronics" bypassed in all respects.

My acquaintance in the 90s at Minsk Integral was engaged in layer-by-layer copying of Japanese microcircuits. So, if 2% or more of them turned out to be workable, a good bonus was due.

[Bayonet]

Quote: EvgNik

There was a test to compare the Belarusian watch "Electronics" and the Japanese new model. "Electronics" bypassed in all respects.

And what Japanese "new models", those that you can buy at the market for 100 rubles? Fairy advertising is not your doing? There is also a comparison with "another detergent"

[Victorio]

Quote: EvgNik

Quote: niki233

at the expense of quality a moot point on this minus

About quality - this is your mistake. There was a test for comparison of Belarusian watches "Electronics" and Japanese new model. "Electronics" bypassed in all respects. I had a Ukrainian gas stove - smoked it and fell apart after 2 years. Now it is 4 years old Belarusian. The wife will not be overjoyed. And my watch "Electronics", my wife too.

=====
production costs are higher, so they are unlikely to be better than Japanese. According to the reviews of watchmakers, those are real,
watches, including Belarusian ones, have not been working for a long time,
when the union market collapsed, the demand for watches became a thing of the past, production lagged behind and became more expensive. and in small batches, if desired, you can still make a good watch.
=====

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: niki233

at the expense of quality a moot point on this minus

Give an example of higher quality Russian-made goods?

[Bagnyuk selo]

complete nonsense .. we have a country of morons and collective seniors ... my sheep on the collective farm bought sheep for 100 thousand breeding. euro ... and they built a calf with a tile .. it’s kind of cool and it’s necessary .. they swelled a lot of money ... and the cows didn’t care and they broke their legs because they slipped .. everyone’s under the knife .. and all are fucked .. so our cx is black hole oh and already dead Lukanomics ... I still thought what kind of crap .. where the money came from earlier ... and the sun only resold the fuel and lubricants to the West which just gave us .. yes yes it was the Russian leadership that gave it ... and so it generally region .. the village is dying ... mine so for sure ..

[Rurikovich]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

complete nonsense .. we have a country of morons and collective seniors ... my sheep on the collective farm bought sheep for 100 thousand breeding. euro ... and they built a calf with a tile .. it’s kind of cool and it’s necessary .. they swelled a lot of money ... and the cows didn’t care and they broke their legs because they slipped .. everyone’s under the knife .. and all are fucked .. so our cx is black hole oh and already dead Lukanomics ... I still thought what kind of crap .. where the money came from earlier ... and the sun only resold the fuel and lubricants to the West which just gave us .. yes yes it was the Russian leadership that gave it ... and so it generally region .. the village is dying ... mine so for sure ..

And you, dear, do not think that you yourself will live in this country. And they did not ask the question that before you blame someone for all sins, you need to understand what he wants? Does Lukashenko have to run and control on all collective farms, who is doing what ??? Does he have no other job? And the chairmen of these collective farms themselves don’t owe anything ?? Just why it turns out that one give the prosperous collective farm and he turns him into a backward one and ruins him, and give the other almost dead and he makes candy out of it. What, is Lukashenka to blame, or is it still all dependent on local leaders ??! What is everything on Lukashenka, or is he still our attitude to his work?
Why do we also build farms, but for some reason they give milk and no one cuts the cows and they don’t break their legs. Maybe just because the manager is normal there. A? Maybe you just need to learn how to work?
Why didn’t you scream that you don’t have to lay tiles in calf houses? You yourself saw it all. Or they simply were silent in a rag, and now it’s to Lukashenko’s fault that you have cut the cows. Maybe they just give us normal ideas to survive and work and develop, and the performers on the ground are figs?
Or maybe we should follow the path of the Baltic states in Ukraine? Then we say that the West will feed us, we will cut out all the cows, close the collective farms, run the land and sit and wait for a prosperous future?
It only seems to me that somewhere in Russia or in the west you will bend down to survive somehow and still shout that Lukashenko is to blame, he has ruined and sold the country. You yourself decide what you want ...

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Rurikovich

And the chairmen of these collective farms themselves do not owe anything ??

Quote: Rurikovich

Why do we also build farms, but for some reason they give milk and no one cuts the cows and they don’t break their legs.

Because our private business and farms are responsible for their "head" and their own money, but in Belarus Father will give him another "potato" - they wrote above about subsidies to the agricultural union

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

and in Belarus But father will give him a potato - they wrote above about subsidies to the Union of Artists

They ask for subsidies there, and just like that no one will give you anything and will not throw it.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Ingvar 72

just because no one will give you anything and will not throw it.

Where is the evidence?
Let's compare the statistics on the prosecutor's offices of the Republic of Bashkortostan and the Russian Federation regarding the "fight against corruption" in our country and in the Republic of Belarus - do you think that in Belarus (in Chubais's homeland, by the way) honest and decent people are born exclusively from birth?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Let's compare the statistics on the prosecutor's offices of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation in matters of "fighting corruption" in our country and in Belarus

Come on. Waiting for statistics (You suggested ).
P.S. It is desirable with examples of otmazyvaniya Belarusian Serdyukov.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Come on. Waiting for statistics (you suggested).

Well, actually you started
Well, in the Russian Federation for 2014 it was under Art. 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation convicted 1625 people - but in Belarus, how do you have data on it, or is the leadership of the Republic of Belarus "hiding something"?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Well, actually you started

Compare statistics?

Quote: Mr. PIP

Well, in the Russian Federation for 2014 it was under Art. 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation convicted 1625 people - but in Belarus, how do you have data on it, or is the leadership of the Republic of Belarus "hiding something"?

Those. You do not know how many people are sitting in Belarus under a similar article? Then why compare? And comparing, do you take into account the number of convicts as a percentage of the population?
Just give me an example of an analogue of our Serdyukov and Chubais. I immediately admit that corruption is much better with us!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rurikovich

You saw it all yourself

He was probably a tile laying contractor, and he really wanted to cut the dough!

[machine]

I was in Minsk in August 2014. I was on an auto tour of Minsk. The local guide told us everything about litvinism, the gentry. Then we went to the estate of folk crafts - the same thing there. Belarusians, and those who admire Lukashenko, I tell you as they are: this litvinism in 5-10 years will turn Belarus into a second Ukraine. Old Man will reap the fruits of his policy, and Belarusians will face terrible Russophobia and the sale of your grease lubricants to the west. And even complete ruin and plunder. Then the war with Russia and dismemberment. No offense. This is the sad result of rewriting history

[Lekov L]

Well, I hope not everything is so bad ..
Local leaders can still have their own, or do you not like them? ..
And so, yes, he "worked" with Belarusian manufacturers.
Either everything is on the drum, or they want to throw you with a "peasant cunning".
But he served with the Belarusians - so still friends.
Hold on, Syabry!

[Bayonet]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

rams from my collective farm bought 100 thousand breeding cattle. euros ... and they built a calf with a tile .. it’s kind of cool and so necessary .. they swelled a lot of money ... and the cows didn’t give a damn and broke their legs because they slipped .. everyone was under the knife .. and all were fucked ..

Once upon a time (even under Soviet rule) near Volgodonsk, the Americans built a complex for raising cattle in open areas, even their own fleet of hefty cattle trailers was. After a few years, everything fell apart, and the cows were drowning in shit. Because it’s necessary to monitor the equipment and remove the manure, and where to get the booze ... As they say - give the glass of horseradish, or it will break it or cut your hands!

[Приговор]

Hang on guys! Anyway, nobody is closer than you to us! After all, we are actually one people. I believe that reason will prevail and we will finally come to normal integration for the benefit of ALL people, not political leaders and oligarchic clans. Everything will be fine!

[ferro4]

and where are the oligarchs? will fly to Mars?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Volga Cossack

... but everything is of high quality.

"... The Rosselkhoznadzor has expanded the list of Belarusian cheese producers whose products do not meet quality requirements, the Russian department reported on Wednesday." ... A significant excess of the mass fraction of sodium nitrate preservative E251 in cheeses was revealed. In particular, we are talking about a batch of cheese “Gollandskiy bruskovy, 45%”, produced by PUP “Kamenetsky cheese-making plant”, and a batch of cheese with the same name, produced by the Berezinsky branch of JSC “Zdravushka-Milk”. Braslovsky branch of Glubokoye MKK OJSC and Kopylsky branch of Slutsk cheese-making plant OJSC were again included in the list of manufacturers that allowed the production of low-quality cheese. Repeated claims to the quality of the Belarusian "milk" - skimmed milk powder, milk whey powder, milk and cheese.
If in the "easy" quality walk!

[Rurikovich]

Oh yeah. Super pressure weapon - Rospotrebnadzor. That's just while I eat our products and the guts are not curled
And you need to touch someone, so only blink and Rospotrebnadzor tuk like here But for some reason, restrictions always apply to those who need to be crushed. In my opinion, our "... supervision" has not yet prohibited anything Russian. If you type on the Internet, it’s all the bans of Rospotrebnadzor
So is the question of quality? As far as I know, we still have Soviet GOSTs and I don’t have such a counterfeit roll, as in Russia! And we have a much greater chance of meeting a Russian fake of goods than ours.
I already don’t buy a Russian nonfreezer, because the guarantor is spilled in the basements, but I take the domestic one with pleasure, because I’m sure of the quality.
I am silent about products

[kapitan92]

Quote: Rurikovich

we still have Soviet GOSTs and I don’t have such a counterfeit roll, as in Russia!

Well, yes, I forgot! And if you have bananas, dates, salmon splashing in the "Belarusian sea" and shrimps instead of silt in ponds.
Nobody doubted the quality of Belarusian goods before all the sanctioning cases, but now there is a "shaft according to plan" and throw it at the Gosta, money does not smell.

[Bagnyuk selo]

Rurikovich .. I don’t understand something in any way ... why are you all telling us how wonderful it is and what a bald handsome guy .. after all, this is not so to say the least ... tell us about our RFP in 100 Baku, about taxes total, about restrictions, about drunkenness, about the army with the technology of the 70s, about corruption that Russia hadn’t dreamed about, about specific princes, about ministerial oak signs, about a billion agricultural hole in which more than 203 billion were thrown into since 50 greens, and at the output of losses of tens of billions, why our goods in Smolensk are cheaper than at home, why a third of zp goes to a communal apartment now, why you can’t go to Poland the same where where by the way everything is cheaper up to 50% (why actually), why every year default micro and every 2 years macro? a lot of why ... and you reduce everything to tails .. it's like Stalin ... kinks on the ground or what? is the king good and the stupid boyars? while this stinking brood reigns here with impunity, we will live in shit .. I guarantee it to everyone who lives here .... and while bald in power, he will once again slander Russia and suck in the west .... damned prostitute .. collective farm schizophrenic and just moron !!!!!!!!!! I wang him the essence of Ceausescu and if possible I will take part in this very good deed ....

[Rurikovich]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

why are you telling everyone here how wonderful it is and what a bald handsome guy ..

I'm not saying that everything is fine with us and paradise! I also don’t like a lot of things. But this is not a reason to blame at every step for what the light is. But sometimes I know everything in comparison and sometimes I live not today, but I look at tomorrow. Every system has pros and cons. and if you don’t like it then who is holding it? go where you feel good. Do you think I don’t see that our neighbors are cheaper than our products? But in order to sell something, you need to create the conditions and qualities of the goods under which they will buy it. The same TV produced in Asia will be cheaper than the analogous quality produced by us at cost price. Therefore, in order not to dismiss these 500 people, the plant is forced to sell cheaper, otherwise they simply will not buy it. This is the market. And compensate for the domestic market. I am not saying this is good. But suggest a better option! OFFER BETTER. Let's do it your way, let’s solve the situation. But for this you need to close all the so-called unprofitable, reduce the population by a couple of millions, turn into an analogue of Moldova. For some reason Lukashenka will not be and everyone will be happy. Yeah, Somewhere I already heard and saw this ... Just now tell me how you see the future in your understanding, and I will give you an example of this future in real life. Sit down and write down the country as you see it, where you are from You will take money, how you will finance this or that industry. Write down EVERYTHING, then if I find such an analogue, I will believe you and I will fully agree with you. I’ll even scream at every corner that everything is shit ...
PS Plus from me

[Bagnyuk selo]

OK Rurikovich! not a question ... I would quickly get everything out of the crisis ....

1. The deposition, arrests and prosecution of the entire vertical of power up to the last person. All of them are still immigrants from collective farms (the collective farm lobby, which, so far, has been steering the country). All sentences are a priori understandable. This will reassure a population that requires JUSTICE.
2. The immediate breakdown of the constitutional system and the transformation of the republic into a parliamentary one. it democratizes governance
3. drastic tightening of laws on all counts ... time limits for crimes of at least 20 years (for minor introduction of a system of relapses from 3 times 20 years) .. be sure to pair a very high-profile trials of especially odious corrupt officials about death sentences

This is a priority. These points, when implemented, will bring reassurance to the population and they will not be afraid of the transition period.

But these are primary measures. The most important thing that people want and always wanted is financial well-being and just normal life, just normal and calm. But I will bring calm quickly see above.

In economics. The raking of all these Augean stables will be carried out quickly with me.

1. The most important thing is the strengthening of the national currency. I give the decisive role to the National Bank (which my man will manage))))) just joking specials). First of all, I will endow it with my OWN capital at the expense of state property. Why I will do it. In order for this our bank to be able to fulfill (and not print) its obligations on national money. So as not to take loans over the hill in short, it’s more understandable, otherwise Belarus will simply be in the ass because of loans. To do this, I transfer to the National Bank the ownership and ownership rights of national wealth. the same potassium. This will provide Belkorubl with liquid collateral assets. Not paper but the wealth of the country. If necessary, I will sell (the National Bank) shares for rubles and selling shares I will withdraw the same loot. year time. Mb less.
2. Next, we move from credit financing to investment.
3. tax burden optimization
4. Easy to adjust and do not interfere. the main thing is to start. Belarus is lazy. stupid and illiterate bast shoes there is such, but not lazy


And now, as for me, if people are doing well and there is no danger, a good life will be fine. And they will praise me until the end of all time. and I will be grateful to them!

[kagorta]

The program of Ukrainians, in front of the Maidan. One to one. And end the same. And the strengthening of the ruble will lead to disaster. You need on the contrary a weak ruble and goods for export. You need a Japanese model.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

OK Rurikovich! not a question ... I would quickly get everything out of the crisis ....

Oh how ...
It smells like 17th year ...
Let's go through the points of the program.
A.1 Here it generally smacks of vendetta. Some kind of red terror is direct. People are usually judged by deeds, and not on the basis of their worldviews. And so ALL of the collective farm chairmen are what you think they are. Personally, in my area I know several good business executives who, thanks to their intelligence and authority, exist quite normally, and the economy is afloat, and people are grateful to them. And the fact that in any state is the opposite, so this is understandable to a fool. Che all at once under one comb
Clause 2 About how. But in Singapore, the real dictatorship reigns. So what? Thrive. And in the ever-memorable America it’s not parliamentary rule at all — it also thrives. The parliamentary form of government, in principle, is suitable when there is stagnation, silence and order, there is no inflation, a lot of different wealth that allows you to live peacefully and comfortably without straining your brains. And this is not the case with us. Here you must constantly think and seek compromises. So this form of government is a failure. We had a parliamentary time with Shushkevich and Kebich .. As far as I remember, there were no guilty parties there ... So there’s another question ...
p.3 Aha. then they confiscated for booze at the wheel, so howling rose! Dyktatura! And you suggest to increase the terms. Do not be afraid to pass for a tyrant and a dictator And your parliament is unlikely to miss such a thing - the government is also dear to them.

[Rurikovich]

Let's continue. In order to manage the economy, you need to fundamentally know all aspects of the economy. Or do you rely on consultants? Are you sure that they will not advise you on liberal reforms, such as the dashing 90s or external management, as today in (in) Ukraine. For starters, at least read the bible of economics. Personally, I read in the 9th grade. I understand almost nothing, but now I’m thinking what’s what, reading the different economic blocks in the news. And believe me, there are not one economic models on the planet, and they exist due to their either geographical or climatic realities, or the presence of one or another wealth. And we must also take into account external economic factors, dependence on different markets. We all practically live according to capitalism, everything is interconnected here. So your aspirations will most likely lead to a collapse rather than recovery
Section 2 of the economy. The value of our country is practically zero for investment. We have practically zero natural resources, in which foreign oligarchs like to invest for momentary profit. So nothing shines for you. Do you think the West needs your plants? They do not need competitors, because in a couple of years you will lose many city-forming enterprises without state support, and this is an increase in social tension. If you start printing money, there will be more impoverishment due to hyperinflation. And look at Ukraine even better. there democracy and there already investments flow river
p.3 Cut taxes, reduce the flow of money to the treasury, for this it will be necessary to increase the fees somewhere ... A vicious circle. For example, if a person pays about 15-20% of taxes in our country, then in prosperous Sweden for 60% of taxes. I wonder which way you would optimize
Section 4 Direct insult and neglect of relatives. And also hatred. Such a ruler will quickly receive a new revolution and a bullet in the forehead. And sit and hope that the market will regulate everything - find a good economist and ask how the market is regulated so as not to collapse the economy and protect it from all kinds of speculators ...

[Rurikovich]

Do you know how many people there are such reformers ?? Not one hundred, if not thousands. And after all, everyone imagines themselves almost as Napoleons of the economy. And when it comes to serious things, they all turn out to be zero!
Advice is not accepted if they are not asked, but I will tell you. If you really believe in justice, come to your district council, ask for the most rotting collective farm and give it a lift. Then people will believe in you, then everyone will see that you are really the one who is capable of much. And you are on the career ladder (and if you are truly brilliant - much faster) will achieve what you want ...
And so everything you said is just empty words
Ps. Then, not only with words, but also with deeds, will benefit society. And the best way is to sit, everything is crap all around, everything is in shit, and we are in the ass ... Everything is in your hands ...

[Bagnyuk selo]

no Rurikovich ... I can’t get through .. to our kodlu in any way ... everyone has their own children there))))) ... all the more so the commander with the manners of the shooter is already growing up on the throne ... only the total destruction of all this evil spirits will bring benefit to our beloved country ... and even forgot ... to destroy the KGB officers ... all to the basement ... all but special communications (OPS) .... such a rotten kodla ... and why didn’t you like my methods? we were rubbed like that at the department of economics, professors ... all of this is Keynesianism and smithism .. and by the way, you can safely become a satellite of Russia ... these are our brothers and I don’t see anything wrong with that .. we’ll still have a limp trophy and we’ll be lying under anyone something ... but then if you lie with the West, and if with your brothers Russia, then shoulder to shoulder ... you can live on this alone ... all the more what are the cooperative ties .. and with him .. I’ll introduce a single currency right away .. Rosruble and let the emission center be in Moscow, it will not drop from us .. and there will be as many bases as there are partners in the Union .. there are not even brothers in the union .... the main thing is to transplant the zmagars and damned latsvin ... all this evil ... and at the same time offer, as an ideology, the revival of the USSR .. I’m just sure that 90% of the population of the former USSR take center stage and develop the ideas of pan-Slavism .... patriotism and pan-Slavism and Orthodoxy .. these will be the pillars of our society .. somehow ... I'm sure 99% of Belarusians and 100% who are on the site will support me .. well, how is Rurikovich? in my opinion the perfect scheme !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

patriotism and pan-Slavism and Orthodoxy .. these will be the pillars of our society ..

Here is a plus for this
But do not forget that breaking is not building

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

and by the way, you can safely become a satellite of Russia ... these are our brothers and I see nothing wrong with that

On the model of Uralkali, or according to Gazprom's manuals ten years ago? Do not confuse the people and the state apparatus. The integration will be primarily hardware.
I am a blood Belarus born in Russia (USSR). I consider myself Russian, as well as Belarusians and Ukrainians, I also think Russian. But until Russia unites with Old Man there is no reason - the oligarchy is at the helm. Here someone suggested the option of unification - the GDP deals with external problems, and the Old Man takes the place of DAMA. Moreover, together with the government.

[sq]

If this is done not even at the district level, at the level of an average enterprise - it means "alles kaput", horns in the ground and hooves to the sides. The system of the revolution is modeled on the komunyak (not to be confused with the communists). The first half is easily destructive, the second is from the realm of unscientific fiction.

[UNFAMILIAR]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

Rurikovich .. I don’t understand something in any way ... why are you telling everyone here how wonderful we are and what a bald handsome guy ..

Do not be offended, but at the construction of facilities, I often come across citizens of the Republic of Belarus, I encountered such a peculiarity of your citizens: people with a criminal record, "chemists", problem youth, people without a profession or low qualified people, suffering from alcoholism or drug addiction (from them I learned that the daddy is a gypsy, (yes, from this category of citizens), a thief who is building a villa in Sochi, preparing a "throne" for his son, a madman, driving people into agricultural towns for "three kopecks"), on the contrary: excavator drivers, dump truck drivers, highly qualified welders, foremen (and even met construction managers in a single state) speak more moderately about the president and the president and his undertakings. Sometimes, you can't figure out which category to classify a Belarusian into (I haven't started to work yet, but I am dressed decently and without signs of alcoholism on my face) and, as if jokingly, you ask about Father ...

[Bagnyuk selo]

what the fuck is he dad? he’s really Shklov’s sub-fence ok and schizophrenic .. it’s all real .. brought everything to the handle ... he’ll really be hanged and I'm waiting for this!

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: kapitan92

The Rosselkhoznadzor has expanded the list of Belarusian cheese producers whose products do not meet quality requirements, the Russian department said on Wednesday

Yes, goods from Belarus are really "not what they used to be"
And the most interesting thing is that recently under the "brand" Products from Belarus have begun to sell a lot, from Turkish textiles to "German canned goods" - the mother-in-law in the store "Belarusian Products" buys canned food for dogs - "made in Germany" - in fact somewhere in Russia

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: kapitan92

If in the "easy" quality walk!

And if not with the standards of Rospotrebnadzor, but with our cheeses to compare?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Volga Cossack

entirely - Agriculture and processed products

BelAZ, MAZ, MTZ - agriculture?

[149GB]

Lukashenko and I will not have anything good. He will betray quickly. Let Putin stop feeding him for free, and we will immediately see hu from hu!

[Starina_hank]

It remains to quarrel with the fools!

[Starina_hank]

It remains to quarrel with the fools!

[james]

The author, when writing articles, check the data, the 103rd (Polotsk) brigade is actually a deployment point in Vitebsk since the time of the 103rd Airborne Division.

[igorra]

In the 96th, he expanded Minka, the base stood near Tsarev Zaymishch (stood near a boulder, does anyone remember?), Bulbashs sold fuel along the road with refueling tanks, we were still surprised how they could be cheaper, for lack of oil per se. Feel freebies: Ukrainians - 200 lard, Bulbash - at least 40 evergreens, so that I live like that, all these 25 years. God, well, give the Russians a freebie, have a conscience, we are your children!

[31rus]

Dear, we have already "played enough" in gas, oil, weapons, this is me about Ukraine, I remember very well the same statements sounded, since independent means you live yourself, you know what happened, so we want calm and adequate near borders, then with Lukashenka or without him, but Belarus needs help, only together we can resist the West

[cyber]

The only question is, does Belarus want to resist the West? I remember the "dad" officially declared that he did not want to be hostage to the Russia-West conflict. Also, his constant inclinations going against the policy of Russia cannot but cause concern.
Old Man plays his party, and Russia for him is an instrument to achieve precisely his goals. as the saying goes: states have only interests. Therefore, the concepts of friendship, honor, fidelity - leave it for mere mortals

PS. Russia has the same "disease" as the USSR: it always tries to give MORE to partners than to get from them! This corrupts the "partners"!

[Stinger]

Even the most beautiful girl cannot give more than what she has. The fact remains that he did not allow squandering either industry or agriculture. And the second one. He did not rush recklessly into the arms of either Yeltsin, Putin or the West. And who in this world does not balance? One Lukashenko? Therefore, the main thing is not to twitch, but to work calmly and respectfully with Belarus. Moreover, to press the tail to our greedy oligarchs who are too persistently trying to piracy in Belarus.

[Rurikovich]

One of the few sober looks

[cyber]

To be honest, in THIS WORLD everyone has already decided on whose side they are. Those who have not decided sooner or later end up as Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia ... And the list will continue until the second pole of power arises.

[Rurikovich]

Again twenty-five ...
Only the last piece of the article is worth what - completely stamps, accusations and other bullshit
The bottom line is that no one wants to consider anything from the standpoint of reason, logic, to grasp the essence ... "Old Man is a traitor, Old Man is a Dyktatar, Old Man wants to sit on two chairs, Old Man is blackmailing us with the West" ...
Ugh, it’s disgusting even to comment on this nonsense in a compartment with the comments of many patriots who only know how to repeat beaten cliches after others, they completely refuse to think with their brains ...
There is much to say to compare and refute a number of conclusions, but I will not waste my time and try to prove something to someone. Tired of ... You can’t prove anything to anyone if he himself doesn’t want to understand it. This is the same as throwing beads in front of pigs.
I’ll only say that when we had a choice whether to follow the path of various reforms and nationalism or try to preserve what was acquired during the times of the Union and try to maintain different ties.
What do you think we’ve chosen? And now we are to blame for the fact that we tried to build a different relationship, but still close ..
Do not you think that you began to speak with us through the mouth of the West? Who doesn’t dream openly against us ... Isn’t it yourself disgusting? Or in order for you to understand that you really got your fears, we need to ban the Russian language, close the border, break all ties ... And that, anyway, we will traitors and dyktatari. A pro-Western clown will become, within two years he will sell and close all large small enterprises, the population will immediately decrease by a couple of millions, anti-Russian hysteria will increase many times ... So what? Again will Lukashenko be to blame for not retaining power? And we will go to a brighter future with our western friends. Only to whom it will be easier. You? Because you yourself instill hysteria and want some kind of confession .. And we just want to survive. We do not have oil and gas, so that snot bubbles can be blown up and fingers twisted. And in order to at least somehow adequately understand who wants what, you just need to put yourself in his place. And then much becomes clear ... If someone Mogza does not have enough to do this, then what do you want ???

[EvgNik]

Quote: Rurikovich

You cannot prove anything to anyone if he himself does not want to understand it.

Confusedly, but honestly. He wrote a little higher in support of Belarus. So the Belarusian put me a minus. Yes, and we have enough of these. So do not worry, not everything is so bad. Russian Belarusians are respected, and if there is concern about the fate of Belarus, then we still cannot predict our own.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Rurikovich

We don’t have oil and gas, so that we can blow snot with bubbles and twist our fingers

There is another extremely convincing argument for housewives

the main thing that there would be no war

This can justify almost everything. Only a few think "And at what cost?".

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Vita VKO

There is another extremely convincing argument for housewives

And what is not an argument. Before the crisis, our budget was formed from what was sold. We could only sell what we produced, we could only produce what we had matured. Those. tractor, Mazy, BelAZ. Another part is potash fertilizers and another part is provided by Metallurgy. All this can only be done in cooperation with Russia, because this is what is left of the USSR. We are trying to use it stupidly. The crisis broke out, they stopped buying tractors, MAZs, etc. (people simply cannot have money either and they save). By the way, it is the same with Russia. BUT Russia can sell oil and gas in order, if not to cover the shortage, then at least to mitigate the negative consequences. For this is the kind of product that anyone will buy, because it is fuel. The question is - HOW CAN WE COVER the lack of funds? When you start taking loans, you start screaming, we go into debt, you start saving and cut down on many articles, and they start shouting "I brought the country." To follow the path of reforms imposed by the West - to throw a couple of million into the street on free bread - they will start shouting "The dictator does not give a damn about people, he only watches the chair." Go to what many advise - to fall on their knees in front of Russia - will begin those who were silent shouting "Sold sovereignty, etc."
Again, the question is - you are all so smart, so tell me what to do to save people, and to save factories, and to save social programs, tell me where to get money to stupidly pay at least pensions (people are not to blame for the fact that they worked and gave their strength one country, and q live in another)
Everyone is so smart, so put yourself in the place of Lukashenko and try to solve this problem

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Rurikovich

Everyone is so smart, so put yourself in the place of Lukashenko and try to solve this problem

Which problem?
The equipment of the level of the same Belazov and MZKT was initially in demand not only in the Russian Federation, as well as the products of your refineries - what relation your crisis has to ours and especially to relations with Europe is not clear at all

[Vita vko]

Quote: Rurikovich

Everyone is so smart, so put yourself in the place of Lukashenko and try to solve this problem

If you think that in Russia or in Kazakhstan (where there is oil) the people are "like cheese in butter", you are deeply mistaken. In the current economy, formed by the mafia of the 90s, only 1% fattens, which owns 90% of funds and property. This is the official data. I am sure that even they are overestimated, most likely by an order of magnitude so that the people do not rebel. As far as I know, unemployment in Belarus is lower than in Russia. The average salary, however, is also lower, but most likely due to the fact that there are no very high salaries for top managers of state companies. Go to any job search site and see how much salary is offered, then subtract the cost of renting the cheapest housing in the city and you will be in the red.
But it's not even about money and loans. And in elementary decency towards your friends. It is one thing to re-stick labels on European goods and seafood; quite another is the position of Belarus and other CSTO members during the UN voting on key issues. For example, China, although not a member of the CSTO, almost always supports Russia in the UN, but the "friends" in the CSTO, at best, abstain. And selling military technology to just about anyone. For example, in 2006, despite the protests of Russia, Belarus sold to China the technology of the air defense automated control system together with the sov.secret algorithms, and in 2011 for huge "friendly" kickbacks it resold it to Kazakhstan, and only software, without disclosing the algorithms. As a result, Russia had to replace the outdated Pyramid system with Foundations. And the trials of the participants in the hostilities in the Donbass. Moreover, only those who were on the side of the LPR and DPR are being tried. Now take your child's geography textbooks and see who owns Crimea there? In Kazakhstan, in children, for example, Crimea belongs to Ukraine, and South Ossetia and Abkhazia are Georgian territories. The question is, why do we need such allies in the CSTO who cannot fulfill the elementary requirements for a coordinated foreign policy? Not to mention some kind of military assistance to Russia in its fight against terrorism and fascism. At the same time, they immediately demand that Russia supply arms and lubricants and lubricants to the CSTO countries not at market prices, but at domestic prices, provide orders for enterprises, and invest in the economy. Some kind of one-sided friendship. Russia has invested $ 40 billion in the Ukrainian economy, who got better from this?

[Rurikovich]

There are all sorts of contracts. no one bothers, if you want to put our violators in place, invite us to put evidence on the table and solve this problem. including at the highest level. I personally have two hands "for" We raised a howl in the case with Uralkali, provided documents, etc. My personal opinion is that it is ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO AGREE! Do you think I don’t understand that any country has its own personalities with different interests? Of course I understand. People told us that we have very cunning entrepreneurs who re-paste stickers from Polish cabbage to ours and resell them to Russia. I do not think this is correct and even for the fact that such people should be imprisoned with confiscation. You can't keep track of everyone. Imagine the documents that this entrepreneur, without increasing production, increased his income and forward. Then such moments will be closed. Just don't think that all this is happening at the behest of the authorities.
Don't like foreign policy? Invite the same Lukashenka, put his documents on the table, prove that he is wrong, as a last resort, have a heart-to-heart talk behind closed doors, convince him that you are right, and then again, everything can be solved. You just need to decide, and not sit and blame each other! I personally am in favor of both hands.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Vita VKO

$ 40 billion Russia has invested in the Ukrainian economy, who is better off

And all because they are used to being hypocritical and measuring "friendship" in financial terms. So soon the measurement of the security of the people will begin and it will turn out that already inside the country the life of some is more expensive. than other people's lives.

[Приговор]

It is strange that you say that the Russian Federation is talking with Belarus "through the mouth of the West." Who in the world is doing more for the prosperity of Belarus? Maybe we don't need to feed our old people? Do we already have the highest pensions and salaries in the world? But, nevertheless, we share what we have and do not shout to the whole world that we are protecting Belarus from the East. It's also strange that you treat yourself without criticism, but criticize those who help you. Usually, smart people start looking at themselves. And they ask a reasonable question: can I be wrong about something? Am I doing everything right? I would like to ask: do you really need allies who do not help in anything, except for loud words at the UN? When our peacekeepers were killed by Georgians in South Ossetia, there weren't even words of support, I'm not even talking about the offer of military assistance. And when outspoken Nazis came to power in Kiev by overthrowing the legitimate government, you started talking about the pressure from the United States and Europe and how it is absurd to side with Russia. Remember who burned Khatyn? Who killed every fourth Belarusian?
After that I want to ask: Guys, what about conscience? The honor? Still left? Will it not be embarrassing for us to look into the eyes later? Allies ...

[sq]

I fully support !!!!

[DesToeR]

Russian you OOZELI in the end. Conclusion - calm down, stop waiting for declarations of love and oaths of allegiance - they will not be. Become strong and independent and everyone will be drawn to you. In the meantime, one whining about the past greatness and endless disappointments in their allies. Wipe up the snot and work, or better "plow", as in the 30s of the 20th century!

[Ramzaj99]

DesToeR - tough ..... But in principle, in the case .....

[avt]

Quote: DesToeR

Russian you OBORZELI at the end. Conclusion - calm down, stop waiting for declarations of love and pledges of allegiance - they will not be.

These are the times? But what about all these batskin, from “it’s Russian for Belarus but with a sign of quality" to ,, unas such integration in sayuznam state ” Yes, they only do what they ride on the ears. But thank God - now the fry got scared and sang a song about the fact that he was between “a rock and a hard place”.

Quote: DesToeR

In the meantime, one whining about past greatness and endless disappointments in their allies.

Again by, just now, even a certain dangerous one is being observed, I’m not afraid of the word, the euphoria in the assessments of our allies - the Army and Navy of Russia, is not far from hatred.

Quote: DesToeR

Become strong and independent and everyone will reach for you.

Well, here I completely agree, they will certainly reach out, everyone is not too lazy and we are tormented by fighting off friends. Now, according to the article, it’s not even a matter of

The Belarusian leader is really interested in one thing: maintaining his own power. The declaration of an alliance with Moscow is only a tool for solving this problem. At the same time, Lukashenko has never been a real ally. This manifested itself when he not only did not recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but began to openly flirt with Saakashvili.

, but the fact that even in the case of the protection of Belarus proper within the framework of the CSTO, the republican army's support is weak due to quite objective reasons - well, there is no single center for making binding decisions for national units, and without this there is no effective management and coordination in the action of specific units and subunits and all these "unified air defense" is a fiction.

[Scud]

He served in the rocket brigade near Osipovichi. The command was front-line soldiers!

[Rurikovich]

Accidentally Not at Purpose?

[Scud]

Yes, for the Goal. Commander-Shoulder Sharokhin.

[Scud]

Yes, for the Goal. Commander-Shoulder Sharokhin.

[Rurikovich]

A brigade from the Western Group of Forces was withdrawn to Target. Maybe it was before the 90s, because already in the mid-90s I served there under Colonel Valyuk. The OTRK R-17 Elbrus was still in service. And the brigade, in addition to this complex, still had "Points". Then, in the early 2000s, the obsolete and practically worn out R-17s were written off, the remnants of the brigade were connected to the Baranovichi unit and now the only missile brigade in the Republic of Belarus armed with the Tochka complex is at the Target. By the way, at a recent exercise, a week ago, they were not far from me at the range and conducted training and combat launches

[Scud]

I thank Rurikovich.

[Rurikovich]

Always welcome colleague

[Voice of the Mind]

as I understand it, the missile brigade should be armed with 9k714 Oka and not points.
199 RBDs were transferred there to Belarus.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Voice of Mind

as I understand it, the missile brigade should be armed with 9k714 Oka and not points.

The missile brigade in the Target is armed with the Tochka missile system

[72jora72]

Oh, I feel like playing in the end Old Man ......

[avt]

Quote: 72jora72

Oh, I feel like playing in the end Old Man .....

Well, in general, after the festivities in search of where to re-lend from the ustatku near Sochi, I wanted to relax first with the LADY, and then - take it higher and with the GDP itself! After the rest, he proclaimed to the world and hail that “Russia will help financially and economically.” We will see how it will be, but in the short term, at least Russia will restructure his father’s debts. What will happen next? We’ll see. I already wrote earlier - the main problem, and not Batski, but sovereign Belarus, this is a legitimate transfer of power.This is how he will solve it within the framework of the system he has built, where there is not even a hint of not only a legitimate successor, but even a "tandem" option as in Russia. In such a scenario, Butler's departure is a bifurcation point for Republican Belarus. A real breakdown and how it will go ..... he knows it, I'm not in kugse guys.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: avt

In these circumstances, Butsky’s departure is a bifurcation point for the Republic of Belarus

She was with us in 1953.

[avt]

Quote: Ingvar 72

She was with us in 1953.

Well, as that perhaps yes. It was Khrushchev's return to Leninism and the further striving of the communist elite for a new ideal - "so that we had everything and we had nothing for it" and led to the finale in 1991. They finally purchased and cashed out the administrative resource, not everything, of course, but the most cunning. Yes, the actual Chinese evolutionary path was closed precisely in 1953. No matter how someone treats the historical personality - Stalin, he turned out to be extremely perspicacious in his statements that -

, with the construction of socialism, the class struggle intensifies and takes on more acute forms, as the doomed remnants of the exploiting classes will make their last desperate attempt to overthrow the Soviet regime. Stalin suggested that class enemies could even infiltrate the Bolshevik party, which is the leading force of the socialist state. Stalin also considered intra-party democracy and the presence of a dissenting opinion that did not coincide with the party’s official line “rotten liberalism”, and believed that such tolerance could weaken the party and lead to its destruction. Therefore, it is necessary to intensify political repressions in order to prevent these attempts, and also periodically "clean" the party of those who disagree.

[Mr. Pip]

Lukashenko cannot share the fate of Gaddafi and Milosevic, because his army is currently stronger than any European.

Thanks, laughed
Although it’s not even funny what target audience the author was counting on to invent such nonsense on the Russian Site - well, at least he was ashamed that there are citizens of Belarus and relatives of those living there, and simply “lovers” of Google!

[Aqela]

In artillery, there are over 600 self-propelled guns (54 2C9, 260 2C1, 163 2C3, 120 2C5, 13 2C19, 24 2C7), 252 towed guns (66 D-30, 50 2A36, 136 2A65), 77 mortars 2C12

I will not evaluate the political background of the article, but the statistical material on the composition of the Belarusian Armed Forces is clearly thoughtlessly copied from somewhere: some systems are named in full, others only by the GRAU indices (it turns out that the author’s artillery is in some strange ignore!).
There are indications of thoughtless copying of facts. In this aspect, the question arises about the validity and analytical content of the article. Those. "tovarisch is not in the subject, but it lies smoothly."
The stubborn proclamation of the course for the immediate unification of Russia and Belarus makes one want to ask: "Why the heck? Change" Old Man "for Russian oligarchs?" For example, I don't like a lot in my home country. There is enough slop and dirt. Therefore, Belarus (sorry, the Republic of Belarus, but I don’t call the FRG Deutschland for some reason) its own policy and economic strategy does not irritate me; all that matters to me is that the policy is friendly. I think, if there is a reason, they will join Russia, because not so long ago California, Texas, New Mexico joined the SGA ...

[sancho16]

How does the author know that the Belarusian army over the past five years has been completely re-equipped with new systems of communication, intelligence, rep and ace, which in many respects have no analogues in the world? How does he know that the purchases are financed from the budget of the Ministry of Defense, by separate payments by the government and from the profits of the military industrial complex? How does he know that the Belarusian army, in spite of the crises, is equipped with new planes, helicopters, air defense systems and other types of equipment? And on the account of the Old Man, the main thing to understand is that the Old Man does not have a hole in the ground from which you can get oil, gas, gold, diamonds and plug budget holes with them. Therefore, each of its actions is calculated and most appropriate in a particular situation. And if Old Man was a traitor or a double-dealing, he would not have endured 20 years of sanctions because of Russia's loyalty. And you, brothers, Russians do not believe your and our pro-Western mongrels, this is all politics.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: sancho16

Over the past five years, the Belarusian army has completely re-equipped with new systems of communication, intelligence, rep and ace, which in many respects have no analogues in the world?

Quote: sancho16

How did he know that the Belarusian army, in spite of the crises, is equipped with new planes, helicopters

Prove it!

Quote: sancho16

the dad does not have a hole in the ground from which to get oil, gas, gold, diamonds and plug budget holes with them.

Well, let's start with the fact that there is oil in Belarus!
Not a lot of course, but there are, like other resources and oil refineries operating on Russian oil - so do not, a huge number of much more prosperous countries do not.

Quote: sancho16

I wouldn’t endure as much as 20 years of sanction because of Russia's loyalty.

Where is the connection between sanctions and "fidelity" ?!
These 20 years haven’t been introduced against us, but for what have you entered against Father’s ?!

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Sveles

As you know, Lukashenka’s “economic miracle”, which many people continue to be surprised at now, was based on the processing of cheap Russian oil at local refineries (the best in the USSR) and the sale of fuel and lubricants to Europe at world prices. When Moscow began to remove Minsk “from allowance,” the miracle ended.

The first place in the top in terms of payments to the budget is held by OJSC Gazprom transgaz Belarus. In the first half of the year, taxes and fees from this organization amounted to Br4,466 trillion. The share of revenues in budget revenues controlled by the Ministry of Taxes and Levies was 6,2%.
The second place is "Lukoil Belorussia" with the amount of receipts Br2,236 trillion, the share in the budget revenues - 3,1%.
The third and fourth places were taken by Naftan with Br2,209 trillion, a specific gravity of 3,1%, and the Mozyr oil refinery with Br2,167 trillion, a specific gravity of 3%.
In fifth place - JSC "Grodno tobacco factory" Neman "with Br1,655 trillion, 2,3% share in the budget), in 6th place - JSC" Belaruskali "with Br836,234 billion and 1,2% share in the budget ...
In seventh place is Tabak-Invest LLC (Br747,821 billion 821 million, 1%), in eighth - Minsk Kristall OJSC (Br688,379 billion 378,6, share - 1%), m - CJSC Minsk Grape Wines Factory (Br9 billion, specific weight - 677,305%), 0,9th - RUE Minskenergo (Br10 billion, 593,219% share in budget revenues).

as we see, oil refining is only 6% of the republican budget, so Khramchikhin is driving, moreover, the Belarusian economy has even exceeded the 15g surplus plan i.e. income before expenses, the conclusion is that the patient is more likely alive than dead ...

I want to ask, and judging by the flag, you live in Russia, huh?

[padded jacket]

The current EU flirting with Lukashenko is nothing more than an attempt to oppose it to Russia and V.V. Putin in this difficult time for our country and the sanctions on Belarus will then be imposed just as quickly with the new how quickly they were lifted now so he shouldn’t be deceived especially . Yes, I think he understands this very well.

[cyber]

Sanctions are not an end in themselves, but a tool. Why introduce them again, when, having removed them, you can try to take RB out of the orbit of Russian influence. Most likely, the West will do just that. The sanctions will not be refunded. Lukashenko has shown his readiness to understand "Western values." I think that from the last dictator he will soon turn into a front line in containing Russia. Instead of Poland

[Odysseus]

Khramchikhin, as you know, began as a direct agent of influence, the USA is the author of countless articles about how China is about to take over Russia and that Russia needs to get closer to NATO (which does not threaten us anything) and Europe.
Now, when such direct "head-on" work will no longer work, he has reorganized a little in accordance with the time - he keeps mum about "good NATO", has become a "patriot", but the meaning of his work, of course, has not changed.
In particular, this article was written only in order to arouse mistrust in Belarus and ultimately embroil Russia with it. Now, after the US victory in most of the former USSR, the main forces of pro-Western propagandists were thrown to the Belarusian direction.
And they, as usual, work "on two sides", in Belarus they talk about "aggressive" Russia, which wants to seize and enslave Belarus, but to Russia they talk about the "betrayal" of Lukashenka and about Belarusians as freeloaders.

[cyber]

Old Man himself gives a reason. His loitering allows the "agents of US influence" to drive a wedge between Belarus and Russia. Too many reasons ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cyber

Old Man himself gives an occasion.

Our government provides much more reasons.

[Former battalion commander]

The impression is that the author knows almost nothing about the object he undertook to describe. One can agree on the number of troops, but otherwise - crap, especially the passages about "cheap Russian oil." Minus.

[Kostya Andreev]

Independence of Belarus after receipt will end in the pigsty of Bzdyshek Pan!

Quote: DesToeR

Russian you OOZELI in the end. Conclusion - calm down, stop waiting for declarations of love and oaths of allegiance - they will not be. Become strong and independent and everyone will be drawn to you. In the meantime, one whining about the past greatness and endless disappointments in their allies. Wipe up the snot and work, or better "plow", as in the 30s of the 20th century!

The Russians do not greet, but defend their interests, do not like shutting down business in Russia, people who sew clothes and meat production, and agriculture will only be in favor. In Russia, the friends are only the Army and Navy, everything else is only interests. We do not need love, it’s you starting to twirl backwards so that you love the West.
And we are already strong and independent.
In Russia, they do not whine, but work, which is confirmed by the crowd of your compatriots. There is no time to whine here.
As some Belarusians got, by and large they live at the expense of Russian taxpayers, and also throw shit.
I hesitate to ask how much the republic should, who will pay for the debts.
People who admire the dad, make a lot of money making money when they give you loans, they cheapen energy and sell markets are not necessary, but the current government even in this case did not have enough brains.
I’m not against Belarusians, I’m even surprised for one thing: how can one be so naive, (not all, but many) no one needs you but Russia, you are not your product. and not your people. This is my opinion, I could be wrong.

[sq]

Quote: Kostya Andreev

Russians do not greet

RUSSIANS do not really greyhound, they are adequate. Those creatures of an incomprehensible breed that do not produce anything themselves, but, having attached themselves, proudly call themselves Russians.

[Heapoiss]

I read the comments ...
Breaking spears.
And google the author and see his materials diagonally?
Filgenhauer was not, of course, more cunning, but "they poured from one barrel ..."

[DM51]

The roads in Belarus are beauty, and most importantly cleanliness — you drive along the highway and not a single plastic bottle, we have srach along the roads, is it really impossible to bring garbage in the car to the trash, do you have to throw it out the window?! Products on the domestic market are also better than ours, but here, for some reason, Belarusian products - g ... More people are friendly there, there is no such malice as in Russia. Salaries on collective farms are generally pennies and they drink a lot, as in our villages.
Often I go there, as the rostrovniks live in Belarus

[svp67]

Quote: DM51

.More people are friendly there, there is no such malice as in Russia.

Well, not the land, but beauty ... It’s like heaven on earth.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: DM51

and drink a lot, as in our villages.

Yes, only they and the young people drink it there and in the cities.

Quote: DM51

People are friendly there, there is no such anger

Before dark, especially in medium and small towns - they not only drink there, they also fight en masse.

Quote: DM51

Roads in Belarus - beauty, and most importantly cleanliness

And there are few of them - but on the whole it’s true, there really is purely-but the advantages end there - father had to lead the cleaners, and not the whole country - perhaps it would be better in the country

[Reklastik]

Something seems to me that Belarus is an ally so-so, and soon it will become for us what Ukraine has become. The Allies do not behave this way, neither in the event of a coup in Ukraine, nor in the event of a war between Georgia and Russia. I just want to believe that Belarus is a friend of Russia. Khan will come to the Union State.

[bed111]

Quote: warriordima

Join the Belarusian Republic of Russia and live in the old days and even better))

Unfortunately, given the current situation, this is not possible. Here, in Minsk, this is clearly seen in the rhetoric of Lukashenka and his team. Joining the Russian Federation as a region (otherwise it will not work, who will give a part of power in Russia to the Belarusian ruler?) Will mean for "Father" and his clan a complete loss of power and income that he has because he cannot be controlled. He will become nothing. In addition, his resignation may mean something worse - after all, he will be defenseless for his opponents inside the country, and they have been waiting for this for a long time and will not forgive him anything. For him, sins have accumulated in Russia as well - the Belarusian president can be made to answer, including for unfriendly steps towards his main ally. Therefore, he will never agree to join the Russian Federation. At least, I would not advise waiting for this while he is in power.

[vladmort]

About Belarus and Belarus ...

1. People who are completely unfamiliar with the situation can admire the "father". The poverty into which the Russian people, who had the misfortune of being citizens of the Republic of Belarus, have been plunged, is simply depressing. And one of the main reasons is independence. Compare the budgets of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, in the Russian Federation about 12% of the budget is spent on national expenditures (maintenance of the bureaucracy), in Belarus about 38% ...

2. Tales of Russian oligarchs, this is cheap propaganda. No oligarchs cost the people as much as an independent Belarus. Rather, Belarus is the classic case of an oligarchic group that seized political power, which Russia fortunately managed to avoid.

3. RB is the same "anti-Russia" as Ukraine, of course, they mask this fact with collective farm cunning, with the sole purpose of luring loans and other preferences from Russia. And these loans are being eaten away, and mostly not by the people, but by the ruling group of crooks.

4. Do not build illusions, the Republic of Belarus, these are 6 occupied regions of Russia and without external (Russian) assistance, this yoke cannot be thrown off. The punitive apparatus, both numerically (4 times) and proportionally on a budget, surpasses the army.

[gazebo]

It would not hurt Afftar to get some military education before discussing the Armed Forces.
"Structural reforms have been carried out in the Armed Forces, strategic commands (Western and Northwestern) have been created," Commands have the names OPERATIONAL (see Wikipedia) as part of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces were OPERATIONAL-TACTICAL Commands. "Mobile brigades and a spetsnaz brigade make up the command of the MTR" - in general it does not fit in my head how the brigades can make up the COMMAND ?????? For the rest - inaccurate information and collection of gossip and newspaper ducks of the yellow press

[Kenneth]

I wonder how loyal Belarus and its army will be with really serious troubles in Russia. So far, Lukashenoko has not supported us either on the issue with Georgia or on the issue with Ukraine. I suspect that such allies as Belarus will immediately abandon us as soon as the trickle of infusions disappears from us.

[gendir.grifon]

Quote: warriordima

Join the Belarusian Republic of Russia and live in the old days and even better))

Join Russia in the Western Federal District, without any political autonomy and other stupid independence!

[3vs]

Belarusians have one way to preserve their economy and independence, returning home to Russia.
There will be no Lukashenko-the fate of Ukraine is one hundred percent ...
And do not dream of a European choice, all production will be destroyed as in the Baltic states,
Moldova, Ukraine.
It’s time to think already, your products in Europe are not needed, they would have to sell theirs!

[rubber duck]

Was a month ago in Minsk, food prices in Moscow, gasoline too.
If earlier, we could normally play with our rubles, now there is no such "freebie". People say that they did not feel the crisis as much as we do.

[voyaka uh]

It seems that next week Europe lifts all sanctions from Belarus.
The situation in Belarus is not so bad.

[cyber]

Well, as I wrote above, the sanctions will be lifted, tk. "dad" showed an understanding of "European values". The next stage is the promotion of anti-Russian views under the guise of "democratic values". At the same time, any possible bans on the propaganda of Russophobia will be perceived by the West as a violation of the freedoms of citizens of the Republic of Belarus. Are we waiting for the Belarusian Maidan?

[Lex.]

It seems that next week Europe lifts all sanctions from Belarus.
The situation in Belarus is not so bad
And they’ll be healthy now)))
Sanctions 140 bureaucrats will allow trips to the west

[Lex.]

It seems that next week Europe lifts all sanctions from Belarus.
The situation in Belarus is not so bad
And they’ll be healthy now)))
Sanctions 140 bureaucrats will allow trips to the west

[Приговор]

But, evaluate how timely the gentlemen the Europeans did it ..;))))) Now, after the lifting of sanctions against Belarus, we will see the real face of Nikolai Grigoryevich.

[alexleony]

And the trials of the participants in the hostilities in the Donbass. Moreover, only those who were on the side of the LPR and the DPR are judged.
No need to write about what you have no idea.
According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 140 Belarusians fought in Ukraine, 8 died
Read more: http://news.tut.by/society/484337.html
According to the publication, eight fighters from Belarus were killed. Now 16 materials of official inspections of 24 people have been sent to the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General's Office. Another 9 materials are being prepared in relation to 11 citizens, including one dead.
According to the materials collected in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are several times more Belarusians fighting on the side of the DNI and LC, than compatriots fighting on the side of the Ukrainian army. Law enforcers say that Belarussian supporters of the separatists "are both older and older, and military training and combat experience are an order of magnitude higher."
Recall, according to Belarusian laws, those fighting in a foreign country can be prosecuted.
- Even one person who decided to become a fighter is already a lot for our country, for our mentality, in order to feel calm. I understand that he can return from there at any time with combat experience, with grenades or with weapons, - said Interior Minister Igor Shunevich in an interview with TUT.BY.
Read more: http://news.tut.by/society/484337.html

[Lex.]

And the trials of the participants in the hostilities in the Donbass. Moreover, only those who were on the side of the LPR and the DPR are judged.
What are you lying recently detained a mercenary in Belarus with weapons fought on the side of the junta

[Lex.]

Khramchikhin did not even serve me as an expert even in the army

[bed111]

Quote: cyber

And what is the problem for "Batka" to move from Russia to the west?

At the beginning of his reign, people disappeared, mainly his political rivals. They disappeared without a trace - they were destroyed by his punitive battalions. In the West, an investigation has long been initiated on this matter. Lukashenka will have to answer. At first they will pretend that everything is fine, but then he will quickly find himself in The Hague. Not to mention the fact that, having lost the support of Russia, he will immediately find himself in the "clutches" of his own "democratic" pro-Western opposition. And they have long-standing scores with him. NO LUKASHENKO ROAD TO THE WEST. His running around is just a cheap game, which is started in order to get money from Russia.

Quote: max702

Join and put the Old Man Prime Minister .. Let GDP steers on the external front, and the Old Man on the internal power is enough for everyone! By the way, by the way, and the team is available for this .. There would be an ideal scenario for our country ..

Rather, the moon will fall to the ground than Putin and the Russian government will allow Lukashenko to power in Russia. You think, Max, now you let a stranger, and even with a fool, to your apartment and make him a co-owner, just like that, without payment, it seems like - take polkhata, I have - a lot of extra meters!
They, too, will immediately begin to steal, especially since his so-called "team" are the same thieves as everyone else. Only their scale is smaller.

[cyber]

Come on, bed111! Do you yourself believe this? Yes, the West does not care who disappeared there and when. Remember Pinochet, how many dissidents there disappeared under him? Did you hear any exclamations from the West? The West has always acted according to the principle "even if he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch"
They will need the opposition until the moment when Lukashenka completely develops. after this momentous event the need for opposition will disappear. She will either take the side of the new "dad" or, having lost funding from the West, will self-destruct. That is, unless, of course, the dad goes over - I don't want to believe in that.

[Kostya Andreev]

Quote: Lex.

It seems that next week Europe lifts all sanctions from Belarus.
The situation in Belarus is not so bad
And they’ll be healthy now)))
Sanctions 140 bureaucrats will allow trips to the west

And they will have a salary and a pension of 3000 euros, each with a Mercedes. and blondes with 5 size, and no visa regime with the EU. and all rush to invest in the Belarusian industry. and heal Belarusians !!!
These are dreams, and the reality: to work in the barn of Pan Bzdyšek, but in order to work in this barn, you have to win the competition with the Newgabonians.

[bed111]

Quote: cyber

Come on, bed111! Do you yourself believe this? Yes, the West does not care who disappeared there and when. Remember Pinochet, how many dissidents there disappeared under him? Did you hear any exclamations from the West? The West has always acted according to the principle "even if he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch"
They will need the opposition until the moment when Lukashenka completely develops. after this momentous event the need for opposition will disappear. She will either take the side of the new "dad" or, having lost funding from the West, will self-destruct. That is, unless, of course, the dad goes over - I don't want to believe in that.

No, you don't know the west well, buddy. Pinochet was the vanguard of the fight against the communists. Now the situation is different and the strategy of the West is different. I don’t want to upset you, of course, but remember Tunisia, remember Egypt. All presidents who followed the West's lead, at least for a short time, were quickly cut out. The scenario is the same. As soon as the demands of the West begin to be fulfilled, Western funds, "cookies" and dollars for the protesters appear in the country. There will always be a bunch of homeless people who have nothing to do. Actions, rallies, demonstrations begin, and after a while - unrest. The West demands that the country's leader vacate his chair. Next is the revolution. And in the UN, for example, or in the OSCE, our Belarusian oppositionists have a weight no less than the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belarus. And here they will already dictate conditions to him through their western masters, since they have been built into this system for a long time. Time will pass and But Father will definitely be taken care of. Seriously. This is exactly how it will be with us if Lukashenka turns to the West. Now it is protected by a Russian nuclear umbrella. And he knows and understands it.

I can see what you are afraid of, but I assure you that you are definitely afraid of NOT THAT. You just don't understand ... Lukashenko will not turn anywhere. He scares the Russian government to get money. And he has nowhere to go. Only to The Hague. There is no "reverse" for him.

But if Lukashenko gets out of the way, the new leader, proceeding even from the logic of things, will immediately turn to the west - hasn’t he ordered the way there yet? And, most likely, it will be the oppositionist, to whom it is necessary to oppose something substantial to the policies of the departed Lukashenko.
So here two things can be said for sure.
1. Lukashenka will not leave Russia at will.
2. If his post is taken by a person not from the team, who came by chance, the country will go to the west AT ONCE.

[Mordvin 3]

Do you think we have better? Can we declare war on you, and then surrender?

[bed111]

Quote: Kostya Andreev

And they will have a salary and a pension of 3000 euros, each with a Mercedes. and blondes with 5 size, and no visa regime with the EU. and all rush to invest in the Belarusian industry. and heal Belarusians !!!
These are dreams, and the reality: to work in the barn of Pan Bzdyšek, but in order to work in this barn, you have to win the competition with the Newgabonians.

Somehow it will be ... Therefore, no one here wants it and the Belarusian opposition has no influence on its own citizens.

[AGV Pagan]

Old Man time to rest. - The old horse ... will not plow deeply!

[The legacy of ancestors]

Quote: Sveles

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What the hell? That in 10 years in Belarus there will be a Maidan and the Russians will be accused of all troubles and declared aggressors? Better we spend money on pro-Russian propaganda in fraternal, the return will be more.

there are no Bandera in Belarus, so there’s no need to drive about Maidan ...

In Belarus, only 80% of the people are on the verge of survival and are extremely dissatisfied.

[vladmort]

Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors

there are no Bandera in Belarus, so there’s no need to drive about Maidan ...

Really? More than enough, and they enjoy the support of the state (of course, behind the scenes, through KGB agents). For if there are no Belonatsiks, then why the hell does anyone (except the father and the cronies) need an independent Belarus?

There is no need for illusions, father is the leader of an organized crime group that has privatized 6 regions of Russia and is squeezing all the juice out of them. Moreover, due to total propaganda, many Belarusians sincerely believe that independence is a blessing.

In reality, independence is just the independence of the “father” from responsibility for numerous crimes and abuses... Not to mention the waste of $80 billion. Russian money...

[yia2012]

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, JUST A VILE LIE!! Most likely THIS IS A "FRIEND" NEVER - vladmort has never been to Belarus, or sings the American State Department's arias!

[yia2012]

Khramchikhin may understand military affairs, but Lukashenko’s politics and strategy are COMPLETE ZERO!!! In order to understand Dad, you need to live in Belarus and visit there often! So there you go!!! THIS SO-CALLED DEPARTURE FROM RUSSIA IS ONE APPEAL, apparently conscious, and maybe in agreement with the Kremlin!

[bed111]

Quote: yia2012

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, JUST A VILE LIE!! Most likely THIS IS A "FRIEND" NEVER - vladmort has never been to Belarus, or sings the American State Department's arias!

Well, some things are almost true, not so radically, of course, but there is a certain amount of truth in these words.

Quote: yia2012

Khramchikhin may understand military affairs, but Lukashenko’s politics and strategy are COMPLETE ZERO!!! In order to understand Dad, you need to live in Belarus and visit there often! So there you go!!! THIS SO-CALLED DEPARTURE FROM RUSSIA IS ONE APPEAL, apparently conscious, and maybe in agreement with the Kremlin!

Yes, there is no retreat from Russia, I agree. This is appearance. He would have gone somewhere, but nowhere. In the West, they will imprison you and they will imprison you if the opposition comes to power. We must stay close to Russia. But there is no agreement. Lukashenko is bluffing with Russia, threatening to move to the West, at his own peril and risk.

Quote: vladmort

Moreover, due to total propaganda, many Belarusians sincerely believe that independence is a blessing.

Everyone here is happy with independence.

[vladmort]

Quote: yia2012

yia2012 RU Today, 04:12 ↑

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, JUST A VILE LIE!! Most likely THIS IS A "FRIEND" NEVER - vladmort has never been to Belarus, or sings the American State Department's arias!

Thank you, I’ve been to Belarus and I’m not exaggerating at all. And of course, according to your logic, the State Department is interested in the reunification of historical Russia?
And about the lie, please be more specific, what exactly did you see it in?

Quote: bed111

Everyone here is happy with independence.

Firstly, this clearly does not suit the million Belarusians working in Russia.

Secondly, propaganda.

Thirdly, blatant financial illiteracy. Belarusians simply have no idea how much this fake independence is costing them.

[bed111]

Quote: vladmort

Firstly, this clearly does not suit the million Belarusians working in Russia.

Secondly, propaganda.

Thirdly, blatant financial illiteracy. Belarusians simply have no idea how much this fake independence is costing them.

Part of this million, as soon as problems began in the Russian Federation, had already moved to Europe. Guest workers don’t care where they work.

We don’t have much propaganda against Russia. Rather, on the contrary, everyone here watches Russian TV and sees the difference. Ours is calmer, cleaner, there is less stratification between rich and poor, officials don’t steal as much and there is much less crime. You can walk safely at night in any city, anywhere.
There is medical care. Weak - but completely free. Guaranteed minimum wage in the civil service, on collective and state farms. The property has not been sold, the factories are working, they are paying at least a small salary, which means that people can, at the very least, feed their families.
You can even come to the reception room of the prime minister or the president himself and submit a petition. It must be stated that for now the smallest and poorest person is more protected here and Belarusians appreciate this.

Well, yes, maybe they are not so financially literate, but they don’t need changes yet, since it is well known that they always bring long-term difficulties with them. You can say anything, but how it will turn out is unknown. They live quietly. Better than a bird in your hand...

Well, Lukashenko, of course. He, his family and close friends are the biggest beneficiaries of independence and of course he has long been a billionaire. He will stand for independence from the Russian Federation until the last Belarusian :-)

[vladmort]

Quote: bed111

Part of this million, as soon as problems began in the Russian Federation, had already moved to Europe. Guest workers don’t care where they work.

Don’t you think that if 1 million!, 10% of the population! became migrant workers, then, to put it mildly, not everything is in order in the country?

Quote: bed111

We don’t have much propaganda against Russia. Rather, on the contrary, everyone here watches Russian TV and sees the difference. Ours is calmer, cleaner, there is less stratification between rich and poor, officials don’t steal as much and there is much less crime. You can walk safely at night in any city, anywhere.
There is medical care. Weak - but completely free. Guaranteed minimum wage in the civil service, on collective and state farms.

Do you think that in Russia there is no medical care and minimum wages? And I agree about the stratification between rich and poor. In Belarus there is a division into the poor and the very poor.

Quote: bed111

Well, yes, maybe they are not so financially literate, but they don’t need changes yet, since it is well known that they always bring long-term difficulties with them. You can say anything, but how it will turn out is unknown. They live quietly. Better than a bird in your hand...

Believe me, in no case do I consider Belarusians to be flawed or inferior; on the contrary, they are hardworking and talented, just like the rest of the Russians. But financial literacy is a very rare set of rather specific knowledge that few people possess. I base my judgments on a professional analysis of the budget of the Republic of Belarus. Diagnosis, financial cancer, this education is not viable...

Quote: bed111

Well, Lukashenko, of course. He, his family and close friends are the biggest beneficiaries of independence and of course he has long been a billionaire. He will stand for independence from the Russian Federation until the last Belarusian :-)

You see, you yourself confirm my words about the organized crime group that occupied 6 regions of Russia...

And as for the horror stories about Russian oligarchs, the Republic of Belarus is the most terrible oligarch. In fact, the Republic of Belarus is what would happen to Russia if the Berezovskys and Khodorkovskys seized power...

[bed111]

Quote: vladmort

I base my judgments on a professional analysis of the budget of the Republic of Belarus. Diagnosis, financial cancer, this education is not viable...

I do not argue. But it has been successfully existing for more than 20 years. And it is completely naive to believe that if Belarus goes bankrupt, it will join Russia, whether the Russians are here or not... This is impossible either under the current leadership, or if the opposition comes to power. Both of these forces do not equally strive for the Russian Federation. Lukashenko will maneuver to the last, and if things get bad in the country and people take to the streets, an opposition will appear, which, having come to power, will begin an immediate drift towards the West. As for the prospects for unification under Lukashenko, I repeat, it is best to look at what he is doing now, while in power - you can see for yourself...
The time for unification is lost today. If it happens now, it will be in many years.

Quote: vladmort

You see, you yourself confirm my words about the organized crime group that occupied 6 regions of Russia...

Well, this is true. But what does this give Russia? Nothing... Let me quote Suzdaltsev, a political scientist at Moscow State University, on this very topic:

Corruption is an integral and integral part of the Belarusian economic model: each bank conducts part of its operations in the “shadow”; Absolutely all pseudo-state enterprises (actually privatized by the ruling dynasty long ago) have become overgrown with intermediary firms, through which raw materials and supplies pass, as well as sales of products; the entire economic management system of the republic, which over the last decade has gradually transformed into the peculiar and unique glory of state capitalism and socialist planning, is in fact focused exclusively on extracting income from literally everything, symbolizing a vampire state.

In modern Belarus, a country that initially did not have or has already lost its own resources in recent decades, including a qualified workforce and very moderate intellectual potential, the ruling class, following the Polish example, demonstrates almost imperial ambitions and a colossal resource appetite.

[vladmort]

Quote: bed111

I do not argue. But it has been successfully existing for more than 20 years. And it is completely naive to believe that if Belarus goes bankrupt, it will join Russia, whether the Russians are here or not... This impossible neither under the current leadership, nor if the opposition comes to power

Who would have thought about Crimea? The regime is already twitching. Has there been a new round of Belarusization, or have you not seen posters advertising the language on the streets of Minsk? Coupled with the economic collapse, this will have the necessary effect.

Quote: bed111

Well, this is true. But what does this give Russia? Nothing... Let me quote Suzdaltsev, a political scientist at Moscow State University, on this very topic:

Thank you, very interesting. I'm glad that we came to a common denominator. Let our expectations differ in terms of timing.