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Recipe "Almaty" in Turkish: difficult, expensive and unpromising

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Defense News reports that the Turkish government has stated that a large number of countries, which it describes as allies, have expressed interest in purchasing tank Altai


Recipe "Almaty" in Turkish: difficult, expensive and unpromising

Of the latest models of armored vehicles, created from scratch, you can call the South Korean X2, although it has German roots, and the Russian “Armatu”, but we have the best armored traditions in the world

The head of the military-industrial complex of Turkey, Ismail Demir, said in the Turkish parliament that Pakistan and several friendly Gulf countries are considering the option of purchasing Altai as the “main” option, and this primarily refers to the contract with Saudi Arabia.

Andrei Frolov, editor-in-chief of the Arms Export magazine, argues that the option of purchasing prospective or developed weapons is quite traditional for international military contracts - here we can recall the case of the development of our Pantsir-1С air defense system, which was created for the United Arab Emirates contract money.

“Therefore, it often happens that there is a starting customer who pays for some work and is the first recipient of this product. Today, the Turks have two working samples of the Altai tank, which they are now actively promoting, but the viability of this undertaking raises great doubts, ”says Frolov.

According to Frolov, no one will get involved with a tank that is not mass-produced and not purchased by the local army.

“Moreover, there is an actual counterpart of Altai - the South Korean tank KHNUMX, which turned out to be very expensive, which even the South Korean army could afford to build only 2 units. At the same time, the level of South Korean industry cannot be compared with Turkish, and Altai was built with the help of Koreans, ”Frolov said.

In addition, we must not forget that the Saudis offer military contracts to everyone and everywhere the same amount of 10 billion dollars appears, but potential contractors are constantly changing, and not a single contract has yet been concluded, which is especially important, given that the fact that Saudi Arabia paid 2015 billion dollars in 100 for covering the deficit of its budget due to low oil prices, and this amount will double in 2016 year.

"The Arab monarchies of the Gulf, due to the fact that they are now taking place in the oil market, will obviously lose their appetites, but weaponone way or another, there will be money. Besides, if you take a tank history, Saudi Arabia decided to deploy another armored brigade, they also need tanks to compensate for the losses and to replace obsolete models of armored vehicles like AMX-30 and M-60, so this issue will be resolved, ”summarizes Frolov.

According to Frolov, the Saudi contract for 200 tanks is a very large amount, so the Saudis will bargain with it and demand concessions from specific countries.

“This is primarily the United States, moreover, the Abrams are already in service with Riyadh, although the experience of the war in Yemen has shown that this is a very uneconomic tank even for Saudi Arabia. There are also Frenchmen who want to resume production of the Leclerc tank for the needs of Saudi Arabia, and before that they are ready to lease out armored vehicles from their own "stocks". We can not forget about the Germans with the "Leopard-2" - such conversations have been going on for a long time, but so far the German government does not allow certain types of weapons to be sold to the Saudis. Also here there were Turks and there are certain prospects for the Chinese and Koreans. Our T-90 has no chances, although it showed the best results on Saudi tests, which, again, shows that Riyadh’s choice will be made not by the quality of a specific product, but by political expediency, ”states Frolov.

Another question is that all this is just talk - the Saudis are now pursuing a policy of “distributing” countries in order to beat out any preferences for most of the supply points to the needs of their defense budget.

“The main problem of Altai in the light of the Saudi contract is not even its promising fighting qualities, but the very possibility of the Turkish industry to build it. Indeed, from the latest models of armored vehicles created from scratch, the South Korean X2 can be called, although it has German roots, the Russian Armata, but we have the best armored traditions in the world and partly the Japanese tank Mitsubishi, and all very expensive “things in themselves” are for internal use, ”concludes Frolov.

So, as if the Turks did not advertise their “Altai” - the only thing they can do is the average in their combat capabilities and a very expensive tank (most of the components are designed and purchased abroad), which they have “for poverty” in which limited quantities purchased by the Saudis.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 January 2016 07: 15
    +3
    The Defense News publication reports that the Turkish government has stated that a large number of countries that it characterizes as allies have expressed interest in purchasing the Altai tank.


    While Turkey produces tanks (oil winked ) called "ISIS". The interest of a number of countries in the production of these tanks is obvious ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 30 January 2016 07: 22
    +3
    The head of the military-industrial complex of Turkey, Ismail Demir, said in the Turkish parliament that Pakistan and several friendly Gulf countries are considering the option of purchasing Altai as the “main” option, and this primarily refers to the contract with Saudi Arabia.
    Chicks, we will be counting in the fall ...
    Riyadh is already armed with the Abrams
    and whether it makes sense for the Saudis to change "an awl for soap" is another question.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2016 07: 41
    +1
    Defense News reports that the Turkish government said

    but we have the best armored traditions in the world
    .

    Yeah, and they fought on the Kursk!
    The Kurds can be chased with tanks - it can be the basurmans, this is definitely "their traditions"! laughing
  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 30 January 2016 07: 43
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    I have been working with Turks for many years. They generally regard Turkey as the navel of the world. They have the absolute conviction in their heads that their nation is the smartest and most advanced in the world. They claim from all angles that in a few years they will be producing the best weapons in the world and will be the first in the world to sell them. “We have developed the F-16 and aircraft carriers,” they say. Since I am a builder, I have heard a lot about this topic - it turns out that they came up with concrete, created its theory and taught us to work with it. The mentality, however!
    As for the Altai, this is a pure compilation - the Korean corps and transmission, the German engine and cannon, the fire control system, it seems French, the active defense is Russian. But the "BEST IN THE WORLD TURKISH TANK!"
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 30 January 2016 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: armored optimist
      As for the Altai, this is a pure compilation - the Korean corps and transmission, the German engine and cannon, the fire control system, it seems French, the active defense is Russian. But "THE BEST TURKISH TANK IN THE WORLD!"

      But without an automatic loader laughing
      1. remy
        remy 31 January 2016 21: 17
        0
        and without stabilization of the gun. it can be seen that the trunk behind the body is dragging without reference to the target
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 January 2016 10: 24
      11
      Quote: armored optimist
      it turns out that they came up with concrete, created its theory and taught us how to work with it. The mentality, however!

      Yes, it doesn’t smell of mentality. This is a more serious matter, and I'm afraid I cannot do without a psychiatrist.
      The situation is like this.
      1. Ukrainians dug the Black Sea.
      2. The Turks created concrete, and taught everyone to build.
      3. Based on this, the Turks and Ukrainians are brothers who created the Egyptian pyramids, and civilization. laughing
      Well, all this information about Altai, most likely information for the Turkish user, they say everything is OK, production, rushing, they are not afraid of the crisis. Something like that, I think.
    3. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 30 January 2016 12: 13
      +3
      it turns out that they came up with concrete, created its theory and taught us how to work with it


      There it is. This means that the Romans are Turks, and not Ukrainian, as I previously thought. laughing
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 30 January 2016 21: 06
        +1
        What are the Romans? The concrete was known to the Egyptians.
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 30 January 2016 16: 45
      +4
      Quote: armored optimist
      I have been working with the Turks for more than one year. They generally tend to consider Turkey the navel of the world. They have in their minds the absolute conviction that their nation is the smartest and most advanced in the world.

      I had to meet engineers from South Africa. There is a long story, but our driver compared them to Russians, they like to drink, a little without towers, then they all get sick. So they probably did not talk to us for a couple of days, they were offended. We are Papuans, and South Africa is cent the planet!
      So it seems that the Ukrainians were not digging the Black Sea alone ?!
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 30 January 2016 17: 00
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        It seems that only Russians can value others with excessive respect, and sprinkle their heads with ashes in the case and not in the case. And any pygmies consider themselves the best by definition.
    5. kotvov
      kotvov 30 January 2016 19: 03
      +3
      But "THE WORLD'S BEST TURKISH TANK!"
      they didn’t see this, they will bang their heads on the armor, proving that the tank is better than the t-64.
  5. La-5
    La-5 30 January 2016 08: 10
    +3
    Abrams is an extremely unsuccessful tank for guerrilla battles, it is more like a tank destroyer with a tower. The Saudis so wanted the Leopards 2 to buy, but the Germans refused.
    1. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 30 January 2016 08: 34
      +2
      The Germans are building new "Leopards" for themselves with a creak, recently they gave them away from the reserves of the Bundeswehr!
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 30 January 2016 12: 28
        +2
        Why don't the Germans sell to the Saudis? Human rights restrictions?
    2. sergius60
      sergius60 30 January 2016 20: 13
      +2
      Not sooner that way, namely in the terms of reference it was clearly written - self-propelled guns.
      1. Ammunition - the absence of fragmentation, BOPS our FSE.
      2. The reservation is really serious only in the frontal projection. 735 mm - not a pound of raisins. And the board and the stern ... Oh, everyone saw the shooting in Yemen. ;-)

      The Soviet school is felt - it sees the purpose of the piece of iron through the armor! ;-)))
    3. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 21: 18
      +1
      limited production is just
  6. kind
    kind 30 January 2016 08: 29
    +1
    Let the coffins rivet themselves.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2016 08: 39
    +6
    And they have difficulties with the engine, Germany does not issue export certificates for MTU. And to create an engine for a tank, it is in parallel a difficult task with creating a tank with unclear quantities of production of the tanks themselves. How much turkey do you need tanks? Will mass production pay off? Export business is not guaranteed. Moreover, in addition to dvigla there, the floor of the tank is imported.
  8. am808s
    am808s 30 January 2016 08: 44
    +3
    (it turns out that they came up with concrete, created its theory and taught us how to work with it. Mentality, however!) I believe that they dug up the Russian Sea with Ukrainians!
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 30 January 2016 19: 51
      +2
      Of course, the Turks came up with concrete :). The Romans did not patent their concrete, which a thousand years before Turkish, which means they did not even invent concrete at all! And the fact that Roman concrete is still not broken with your teeth does not mean anything, Turkish concrete is still better!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 31 January 2016 18: 10
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        ! And the fact that Roman concrete is still not broken with your teeth does not mean anything, Turkish concrete is still better!

        The Pantheon is the “temple of all gods” in Rome, a monument to the centric-dome architecture of the heyday of the architecture of Ancient Rome, built in 126 AD e. The huge dome (Dome width - 43,3 meters) and the rotunda are a masterpiece of Roman construction equipment: the whole structure is made of monolithic concrete. I was there in 2014 - very impressive! hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2016 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          I was there in 2014 - very impressive!

          and I'm in 2014 in August. hi
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 1 February 2016 05: 31
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and I'm in 2014 in August.

            And I'm at the beginning of September! smile hi
  9. NEXUS
    NEXUS 30 January 2016 09: 52
    +6
    "Altai" is an extremely controversial tank, both in price and quality. The Turks are trying to keep up with the times, but due to the fact that they do not have a school of tank building as such, then, apparently, even with the help of the Koreans, they have you will end up with an expensive toy that does not match Abrams, Leopard and Armata. But Panikovsky's phrase comes to mind: Saw Shura, it's golden!
    1. yehat
      yehat 30 January 2016 13: 33
      -2
      Do not underestimate the Turks. They have various tanks in operation for a long time and they generally do not poorly understand what they need. They have no experience, like Israel or the Russian Federation, but this does not mean that there is no experience at all. I would even suggest that they are better than the Indians understand what they want from the tank. Yes, and they have the production of armored vehicles. Some species are quite competitive, for example, Georgians attacked Ossetia using Turkish armored cars.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2016 17: 08
        +3
        Quote: yehat
        I would even suggest that they are better than the Indians understand what they want from the tank.

        Understanding and doing is a slightly different concept. You can understand what we want to see, say, a 6th generation fighter, and assembling it is completely different. To create a world-class tank, you need a school, traditions and military practice, on the basis of which new tank models are created. Israel, the USA, Russia (the USSR) have had such practice, and what are the Turks' experience, experience and solutions? Where were the Turkish tanks used?
        There is no combat use of technology, there will be neither developments, nor experience, nor solutions to technical problems.
        And therefore Altai, I have no doubt at all, does not reach either Western models, such as Leopard, or ours, such as T-90S. (I’m generally silent about Armata).
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 30 January 2016 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        Some species are quite competitive, for example, Georgians attacked Ossetia using Turkish armored cars.



        Not much helped the Georgian Turkish armored cars. And in general, as I understand it, our weapons — the Soviet and Russian assemblies — caused the most trouble for our army.
  10. misterwulf
    misterwulf 30 January 2016 10: 21
    +2
    Turks ... tanks ... Some kind of nonsense. We really have the best tank building school in the world. From other countries, only those with a powerful automotive and tractor school can do tanks well.
    Therefore, the prospects of South Korea look pretty real. They will succeed. And the Turks ... They still have the M-48 and m-60 in service. These are the same age as our t-54/55 and t-62! Are cars or tractors being built in Turkey? laughing
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 30 January 2016 15: 17
      0
      You will not believe it, but they are building it. I don’t know much about the tractor, and the automotive industry in their technological plan will be stronger than ours. They make several trucks of the original design and have at least two full-cycle passenger cars.
    2. Amnestied
      Amnestied 30 January 2016 22: 09
      +2
      Quote: misterwulf
      Are cars or tractors being built in Turkey?

      The production of cars and commercial vehicles (including pickups and vans), minibuses, trucks, special equipment, large and medium-sized buses and their accessories is the leading industry in the engineering industry of Turkey. The automotive sector originated in the 1950s and 1960s, when the production of cars under license from Ford, Renault, and Fiat began in the domestic market, protected by the authorities from imports.
      In 1959, Ford Otosan started production, in 1963 - Otokar, in 1964 - BMC and Askam, in 1966 - Karsan, MAN, Otoyol and AIOS, in 1968 - Mercedes-Benz Türk, in 1971 - Oyak- Renault and TOFAŞ, in 1987 - Temsa, in 1994 - Toyota, in 1997 - Honda and Hyundai Motor. In 2002, more than 26 thousand people were employed in the car assembly industry, and taking into account manufacturers of auto parts and other subcontractors, about 150 thousand
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Промышленность_Турции
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 26
        +1
        I didn’t understand: talking about the full cycle of design and production of cars, or about "screwdriver assembly"?
      2. feokot1982
        feokot1982 1 February 2016 14: 30
        0
        In Turkey, in my opinion, our gazelles are also collected
      3. the47th
        the47th 1 February 2016 14: 41
        +1
        Design and build are two different things. The Chinese also collect cars for quite some time. And even now, 100% of Chinese cars are one and a half models. The Chinese are buying old Japanese and European platforms, clinging to new iron, perhaps installing new engines and boxes - the car is ready.
    3. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 31 January 2016 10: 42
      0
      Well, Turkish Renault and Mercedes buses in large quantities in the 90s ... in the early 2000s, both ready-made and car sets were sent to Russia. "GolAZ" was then assembled from car sets.
  11. uzer 13
    uzer 13 30 January 2016 10: 47
    +1
    Altai means "golden", ie. there is a hint of the cost of the product. Even the rich states cannot afford such expenditures from the budget, and the Turks now have not the best income. The stolen oil is becoming less and less, the tourism business is practically lost. The only hope is "nanotechnology", from plywood to make these tanks .Chubais can be invited for consultations as a specialist in such matters.
    1. castle
      castle 30 January 2016 10: 55
      +4
      Altay doesn't mean gold. The tank was named after General of the Army Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2016 11: 07
    +4
    TURKISH TANKS! And that's it. Without an automatic loader, without its own engine, and without the experience of the combat use of tanks in any way, except counterinsurgency. Oh, nonsense. From small countries I know only one country that was able to create its own tank, and even the original one - but only under its own theater! This is Israel. And lets out, and fights. For yourself. Doesn’t sell to anyone. Well, this is Israel. He even managed to release his fighters when they weren’t selling.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 31
      0
      As far as I remember, the Lavi and Kfir aircraft were made on the basis of the French Mirages. Those. the development was by no means "from scratch", but to tweak it with ears, so that from improvised bolts and nuts to assemble something workable, Israeli engineers still had to pretty much.
      By the way, there was the same garbage with the Galil rifle: they took a foreign model (the Finnish version of the Kalash) and "made" something almost their own ...
      I mean, it was kind of mine, but not quite mine ... what
  13. misterwulf
    misterwulf 30 January 2016 11: 17
    +4
    Well, no one needs Merkava, except Israel itself. Mb for neighboring countries would be useful (Syria, Jordan, Egypt ...) and EVERYTHING! This is a hybrid of a heavy tank and BMP for cruises in the Gaza Strip.
    1. yehat
      yehat 30 January 2016 13: 47
      +2
      I would not say so. For hard soils and sand, it’s a normal car.
      In an area where there are many settlements, a fairly efficient car. For example, in Syria, Merkava would normally show herself.
      Just for other theaters of war need other tanks. For Korea, Japan, Peru, etc. Korean K2 is quite suitable. There he is definitely better than many, including better than the Japanese type 10, and he is an ideological descendant of this particular Japanese direction of development. In Europe, of course, Leclerc, Leopard and T90 are effective, maybe Armata.
      In some places there is a niche for carrots, and, for example, in the Carpathians or in the north of Italy or in Switzerland - K2, type 10. In Central Asia, I would say that the favorites should be sought from the Chinese and the Russian Federation.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 36
        0
        Those. You yourself confirm that "Merkava" -
        a hybrid heavy tank and infantry fighting vehicle for cruises in the Gaza Strip.

        Korean contraption was developed with tricky pendant, which is valuable for mountainous terrain, but if something is wrong, then somehow it’s not very ... sad
  14. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 30 January 2016 11: 25
    +1
    Well, what is "Armata" in Turkish? Rather, an analogue of the T-90M or Leo 2A7
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 37
      0
      I think that the author hinted at this, saying that the pipe is lower, the smoke is thinner, but the aplomb is abundant ...
  15. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 January 2016 12: 15
    0
    I remember that the Saudis and we promised to buy something military, and just for 10 billion dollars. smile
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 38
      0
      Well, promising and getting married are two big differences. wink
  16. yehat
    yehat 30 January 2016 13: 29
    +2
    Altai nifiga is not an analogue of K2 - it does not have a whole list of Korean options and it is much simpler. It’s just that the Korean group was used to solve traditional layout solutions. But this does not mean that the tanks are similar. Altai is inferior to K2 in terms of flexible tactical capabilities.
    1. yehat
      yehat 30 January 2016 13: 50
      +1
      and it would be crazy for the Turks to try to do something more complicated.
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 41
      0
      All this is obvious at the first unbiased assessment. But the Turks really want to think that Altai - the best turkish tank in the world. laughing wink Should they be upset by the presentation of such unpleasant facts? crying
  17. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 30 January 2016 13: 58
    +3
    Conclusion: DON'T SLEEP !! .. "Armata" in the field, down with childhood illnesses, finalized, compared and further forward
  18. Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 January 2016 16: 28
    0
    This tank was primarily built for the Turkish Army to replace old American tanks.
    And do not underestimate the power of Turkish industry. They will begin to mass-produce it.
    Regarding the opinion of the author, even the Koreans built only 100 pieces for their army, so the Koreans were waiting for their engine, which came out later than scheduled.
    Do not underestimate the different countries. The Turkish defense industry has risen strongly over the past 10 years. Those who are watching are seeing this leap.
    And about a lot of foreign technologies. So they can’t come up with everything at once, and their own is created. The Soviets took a lot of things from the West and brought to a more perfect state.
    And how many technologies were taken from Germany by the Allies.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 30 January 2016 19: 12
      +2
      And do not underestimate the power of Turkish industry. They will begin to mass-produce it. ,,
      can you voice the cost of this miraculous tank? what about the engines, they have already made achievements in the technology of development of engine building? electronic filling of their own?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 30 January 2016 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: kotvov
        can you voice the value of this miracle tank?

        the estimated cost is 5.5 million dollars. But you understand, we will know for sure when the Turkish army first buys it, and then we know the export price.
        Quote: kotvov
        What about the engines, have they already made groundwork in the technology of development of the motor industry?

        And what is it that someone claims that the tank is technologically Turkish ?? And even more so they took the most difficult element in the tank. The Chinese with their industry can still not make an engine for their fighter.
        But there is information about the engine. There will be MTU, as on 100 issued Korean tanks, but at the moment, development of its own is underway.



        Turkey previously held negotiations for a long time on joint development of a power plant for Altai MBT with the Japanese Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, but in 2014 they were suspended due to a decision to transfer the project to a national manufacturer. In March 2015, a contract worth € 190 million ($ 206,35 million) for development work was signed with Tumosan.

        The national engine and transmission will replace the currently installed motor-transmission unit (powerpack), which includes the 12-cylinder MTU MT 883 Ka 501 diesel engine with 1500 hp. and Renk HSWL 295TM automatic transmissions. Turkey intends to equip the tank with a national power plant in view of the fact that obtaining permission to export weapons and related subsystems, including MTU engines, is becoming increasingly difficult.


        It’s clear to the fool that the Turks physically can’t come up with everything at once. First, they buy part, force the production of parts at their plants to do, share technology. So they move in small steps. And everyone understands, Turkey will try to do its best as much as possible. Since the Germans have them 1 time they threw with Azerbaijan when Turkey was supposed to sell self-propelled guns, and the Germans refused, because there were German engines. As a result, Azerbaijan bought Msta from the Russian Federation. And the loss of Turkey, either 100 million dollars or 150.
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 51
          +1
          Due to the absence of one of the most important components of the tank, despite all the chatter, the Altai can only be assessed as a working model, and not a really serial, or even a pre-production tank. Or how? Cannon of its own - no, dvigla of its own - no, body - Korean design, suspension - simplification of Korean design, its own sighting system - no ... No. About the gun is not imported and the ammunition system, which the army needs is not enough, do you need to mention? request
          Looking at all these calculations, I want to ask: Pasans, and what are we finally discussing here? stop what Look, my neighbor promises to write a "novel of a lifetime" much more convincingly - at least he certainly has paper, a pen and some thoughts to express! fellow request
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 44
      0
      Well, no matter how rated "Altai", it is still better than the M-48 "Patton III" produced in the 50s of the 20th century.
  19. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 30 January 2016 22: 45
    +2
    Quote: armored optimist
    It seems that only Russians can value others with excessive respect, and sprinkle their heads with ashes in the case and not in the case. And any pygmies consider themselves the best by definition.

    and what is few in VO who considers Russia the center of the world and the homeland of elephants? And about Zadornov and others like him and do not need to talk. Ancient Ukrainians have a rest
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 1 February 2016 00: 55
      +1
      Namesake, do not brainwash the people. In a decent society, it’s better not to talk about the historical, cultural and philological delights of Zadornov, it’s better just to loudly pull the whole room loudly. belay
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 January 2016 18: 04
    +4
    The question is why the tank - for yourself or for sale?
    Israel is slowly producing 4-5 units of Merkava-4 per month, somewhere
    50-60 per year. At a price of about 6 million for one.
    We need to have 400-500 pieces in total.
    Old write-offs, new ones put into operation ...

    So many Turks will pull their Alteev.
    Turkey’s GDP is around $ 800 billion a year.
    More than Israel (300 billion).
    But if they want to sell it, they need a lot of power
    production.
  21. vbasko
    vbasko 1 February 2016 00: 37
    0
    I want to immediately reassure many .. and give a few examples! Well, the Turks don’t have a Soviet school, if until recently we had jokes about the inhabitants of Chukotka, then in Crimea we have long encountered Turkish products as well as the Turks themselves, who until recently were migrant workers in Ukraine. I had to communicate with builders who built windmills on the west coast and with truck drivers delivering fruit for some time and with merchants in the customs zone .... the level of knowledge is almost the same (see jokes about Chukchi) I had to deal mainly with technical issues which I needed to solve in the course of my work. My work, whatever it is, is the most ordinary (I’m an installer-installer of satellite dishes), sometimes I took an assistant student with 23 years old, from whom there was more help than from a seasoned Turkish foreman. ..that was the component of many jokes
  22. vbasko
    vbasko 1 February 2016 00: 50
    +1
    There are a lot of examples .. it’s a very long time to list, it’s easier in a few years to write a book- 1001 days of the antenna installer-

    Well, imagine a field blown from all sides, I wouldn’t put the wagons not with a train as the Turks did, but with a rose of winds! And the first would be a trailer with tools from the north And the windy side and would cover the rest, residential, with a slight shift
    The resistance of materials (there is such a science) for them is like for a child the fifth galaxy in the constellation of the centurion ... I will not even comment.
    Electrophysics is also far away .... it concerned gas generators, loads and power tools connected to them .... it's horrible ...
    Yes, and the best Turk is the Turks in the ordinary market! But not in the tank engineers
  23. Rock616
    Rock616 1 February 2016 23: 46
    0
    Well, just like ukro-piteks with their stronghold of only 10 pieces, they can’t fix the series, but don’t get the ambition ............