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Bayonets of the SKS self-loading carbine

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In the late forties of the last century, several samples of the newest rifle guns were adopted by the Red Army. weapons under the intermediate cartridge 7,62х39 mm. Simonov's self-loading carbine, Kalashnikov assault rifle and Degtyarev light machine gun seriously increased the infantry fire capabilities, which had a beneficial effect on the combat capability of the army as a whole. At the same time, despite all the innovations, part of the new systems, like the weapons of past years, had to be completed with bayonets. So, a self-loading carbine designed by S.G. Simonov SKS received a bayonet with original mounts, designed to improve the characteristics of the weapon. In addition, the carbine bayonet had some other interesting features.


The self-loading and automatic rifles of the last pre-war years were equipped with bayonets with knife-type blades, since the needle blades were considered obsolete and did not fully meet the requirements of the time. However, a decade later, this design of the bayonet received a new chance. The project of the Simonov self-loading carbine in its original configuration implied the use of a needle tetrahedral bayonet. The exact reasons for this decision are unknown, but it can be assumed that the use of such a blade was associated with the alleged features of its combat use and the placement of units in the marching or combat position.

To simplify the operation of weapons, the authors of the project proposed to make the bayonet integral. In this case, there is no need for a separate sheath and a relatively long process of installing the bayonet on the weapon. In this case, the question arose of optimizing the dimensions of the weapon: the constant presence of the blade in the combat position did not provide ease of use of the weapon, and could also pose some danger to the shooter and others. For this reason, there was a proposal to develop an original system of folding the bayonet to be placed in the desired position.


SCS with two types of bayonets. Figure from NSD from 1954 g.


The bayonet attachment system was developed during the main project and remained almost unchanged in the future. Modifications, in accordance with the wishes of the customer, only the blade was subjected. At the same time, the general design of its fastenings did not change, which made it possible to simplify the transition to a new modification.

The shooter, armed with a SKS carbine of the first version, in hand-to-hand combat had to hit the enemy, inflicting thrusting blows with a needle tetrahedral bayonet. The blade of this cold weapon was a metal part with a sharpened fighting end and four edges, between which shallow valleys were provided. In the base area, the shape of the part was changed to a cylindrical one, at the end of which a through hole was provided for mounting the blade on the weapon axis.

When assembling the cylindrical base of the bayonet, it was necessary to put on a special tube with a sleeve intended for fastening the blade in a combat position. Inside the tube, there were fastenings for the spring, which kept it from spontaneous displacement, and there was an outside knurling for greater convenience of work. In front of the tube was attached a small stand with a ring with a diameter of 14 mm for mounting on the barrel. In the back of the tube was provided annular thickening with figured notches in the side parts. These cuts the tube should have been in contact with the carbine mounts.


MMG carbine Simonov with needle bayonets in the stowed position. Photo Forum.guns.ru


According to various sources, the total length of the needle bayonet for the SKS carbine was 350-380 mm with a blade length of 250-300 mm. With such dimensions, the blade could be used in fencing on carbines, however, it allowed to do only piercing strikes, which to a certain extent reduced the range of techniques used.

To install the bayonet, the Simonov carbine received a special U-shaped stand, mounted under the barrel. The lower parts of this rack had a complex shape with a pair of teeth on different sides, with the help of which it was proposed to fix the bayonet in the desired position. In addition, an axis was provided for installing the bayonet. Established the possibility of dismantling the bayonet was not provided. In the stowed position, it was proposed to turn it on an axis and lay it under the barrel and the lodge, while part of the blade was located in a special recess in the lower part of the lodge. In the combat position, the blade was to be directed forward and protrude from under the muzzle of the barrel.


The design of the two variants of the bayonet. Figure from NSD from 1954 g.


The original design of the mount allowed to change the position of the blade in minimal time. To transfer the bayonet from the marching position to the combat position, it was necessary to pull the tube with the ring back (towards the blade), after which the cuts of the annular thickening would not engage with the rack teeth. In this case, it was possible to turn the bayonet on the axis and fix the notches on the front tooth. At the same time, the ring of the tube was put on the muzzle of the barrel.

The lower part of the trunk struts had a characteristic curved shape, which ensured the "semi-automatic" work of the mountings. She allowed to fix the freed bayonet in the right position, without touching the tube. When you turn the bayonet to the desired position, the spring-loaded tube itself moved and then jumped on the tooth. In the course of the transfer to the firing position, the displacement of the tube also led to an independent putting on the ring on the barrel.

The use of a spring-loaded tube not only ensured a reliable retention of the bayonet in a combat or field position, but also improved the firing characteristics. The spring served as a shock absorber, thanks to which the accuracy and accuracy of the carbine did not change depending on the position of the bayonet.


Knife-type bayonet in marching and martial law. Photo Huntsmanblog.ru


Needle tetrahedral bayonets were installed on the SKS carbines of the first few batches. These weapons were supplied to various units of the Soviet armed forces and were actively used for some time. Around the beginning of the fifties, the project was finalized, resulting in the emergence of a new bayonet. The needle design ceased to suit the military, because of which a bayonet with a knife-like blade appeared. All subsequent self-loading carbines of the SG system. Simonov was equipped with just such melee weapons for hand-to-hand combat. As for the carbines with needle bayonets, they were used before the development of the resource and were written off according to the standard procedure. The forced replacement for the updated weapon, as far as is known, was not carried out.

The available means of fastening the bayonet on the arms had a fairly successful design, which made it possible to dispense with their rework. The new bayonet retained all the elements of the existing system, from the U-shaped stand with a figured lower part on the barrel to a movable tube with a ring. However, the blade itself was redesigned. When creating a new blade, the experience of creating and using bayonet knives for weapons of previous models was taken into account, which affected its design.


Bayonet second version disassembled. Photo Livinghistory.ru


The main part of the bayonet of the second model was the oblong blade of the knife-shaped form. The combat end of the bayonet had a double sharpening that lasted only along one edge. According to some information, part of the bayonets had only a sharpened combat end, and the rest of the blade could not be used for cutting. To increase the rigidity on both surfaces of the blade provided downwards. The blade had a narrowed heel, which passes into the base, which was located under the movable tube. As before, there was a hole under the axis at the rear end.

The total length of the knife-type bayonet was 307 mm, the blade length - 222 mm. The maximum width of the blade was 22 mm. Such a width of the bayonet provided acceptable fighting qualities, and also made it possible not to change the design of the mountings. In the combat position, the bayonet protruded before the muzzle, in the marching position it was located under the barrel and the ramrod. Most of the blade was under the barrel, and the combat end was located in a special slot in the bottom of the wooden box. The new bayonet had a shorter length in comparison with the old one, because of which the bed also did not undergo special modifications.


Bayonets of the SKS self-loading carbine
SCS bayonet in a combat position. Photo Bayonet.lv


Only SCS carbines of the first few series were equipped with needle bayonets. Later, their production ceased, and new weapons began to receive knife-type blades. “New” carbines eventually forced out weapons with needle bayonets and became the main representative of their class in the Soviet army. This resulted in some changes in the governing documents. Thus, in the first edition of the Manual on the Small Case for the ACS (1954), both versions of bayonets were described. At the next edition (1957) from the Manual, references to the needle blade were lost. From this time on, only knife-shaped blades were described in the documents.

Active exploitation of Simonov self-loading carbines with integral bayonets continued until the end of the fifties. After that, it was decided to transfer all the main divisions of the ground forces to automatic rifles and light machine guns. In this system, there was no place for self-loading carbines, which is why they began to be sent to the reserve. However, the operation of the SCS and, as a result, the bayonets was not over. Over the next few decades, these weapons remained in service with subunits whose task is not a direct confrontation with the enemy. In addition, the SCS is still the main weapon of the Presidential Regiment, and is also used by various security structures.


Knife-shaped bayonet of the Chinese carbine "Type 56". Photo Bayonet.lv


Like many other models of Soviet-made small arms, the SKS carbine was produced not only in the USSR, but also abroad. In the context of bayonets, the production of these weapons in China is of the greatest interest. Documentation and license were transferred to China in the mid-fifties. The Chinese copy of the SCS received the designation “Type 56” and was produced for a long time, entering into service with various units of the People’s Liberation Army of China.

The most interesting feature of Chinese production was the approach to the use of bayonets. Early 56 Type carbines were completed with knife-like blades, similar to the second version of the bayonet for the Soviet SKS. Initially, the bayonets did not differ from the Soviet ones and had the same dimensions. In the future, Chinese industry has mastered the production of shortened carbines "Type 56" for the civilian market. Such weapons received a bayonet with a total length of 260 mm with a 170-mm blade. The blade length was reduced due to its middle part, and the shape and size of the combat end and heels remained the same.


Needle bayonet made in China. Photo Nakop.ru


Knife-type bayonets were made in China until the mid-sixties. After that, it was decided to switch to needle bayonets. All subsequent carbines "Type 56" were completed with cold weapons, which were previously abandoned in the Soviet Union. The Chinese needle bayonets differed from the Soviet size and shape. So, instead of four faces, they had three, and the base of the bayonet had other contours. Over time, the production of such bayonets for civilian carbines began. Such a modification had a length of 270 mm and a blade length of 180 mm.

For several decades, the Soviet and foreign industry produced about 15 million of self-loading SG carbines. Simonov and their modifications. The vast majority of these weapons received various types of bayonets. At the same time, for obvious reasons, most of the SKS carbines were completed with knife-type blades. Through the efforts of the Chinese industry, the share of needle bayonets was noticeably increased over time, but the primacy remained behind the knife-shaped blades.

The impossibility of dismantling the bayonet from the carbine led to the fact that such edged weapons were in service with the SCS until the end of their operation. Currently, such weapons are still in service with some domestic security structures, as well as various foreign countries. Also continues to release civilian versions of the carbine, but they are not equipped with blades.


Based on:
http://bayonet.lv/
http://world.guns.ru/
http://huntsmanblog.ru/
http://miliru.com/
http://forum.guns.ru/
Manual on the shooting case. 7,62-mm Simonov self-loading carbine (SCS). - M .: Military publishing house of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, 1954
Manual on the shooting case. 7,62-mm Simonov self-loading carbine (SCS). Second edition, revised and supplemented - M .: Military Publishing House of the USSR Ministry of Defense, 1957
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  1. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 January 2016 06: 28 New
    +4
    I remember the bayonets on the SKS-ah. Even at school they helped the military officer to transfer the "training" weapon to the new "weapon" ... there were also SCS-s with "knife" and "needle" bayonets. The needle bayonet was only then I saw .. . and nowhere else. A SCS with a knife bayonet "came across" then often ...
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 28 January 2016 11: 03 New
      +1
      You can recall that in Angola the Kalashnikovs with needle bayonets were used. I saw it myself in the news, so that not only on SCS needles were used.
      1. Lekov L
        Lekov L 28 January 2016 13: 04 New
        +4
        On our AK bayonet knife removable.
        Chinese "Kalash" were completed including non-removable needle, such as those described in the article.
        I did not see other Kalash and their clones. Mb someone else did that.
        Sincerely ...
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 28 January 2016 13: 00 New
      +1
      We had exactly SCS with blade bayonets on the ship. Both the reinforcement or the teachings, so the guard on the ramp was given a carbine. From nothing to do, they trained to adjoin a bayonet without hands due to a jerk. It turned out sometimes, but not at all. Once on boats went to a remote bay to shoot from the SCS. I liked it !!! They gave a clip, and shot at targets. I remember somewhere around seventy knocked out. I liked shooting more from a carbine than from an AK in training.
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 28 January 2016 13: 34 New
        +2
        SCS is a good machine. I still had 56 of the year of release in the north, but at the same time the bullet went exactly where you were sending, despite the frost. The bayonet was already bladed.
  2. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 28 January 2016 06: 59 New
    +2
    good article. Thank you! It’s written well.
  3. Blondy
    Blondy 28 January 2016 07: 18 New
    +5
    Oh, what a car, there would be no problems with the integrity of a Kalash, if it weren’t for the charge, there would be no prices.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 28 January 2016 11: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Blondy
      with integrity
      this term is not from a military dictionary, closer from gynecology. But if we consider the effectiveness of getting into moving targets, then Simonov charge-loading does not prevent him from competing with Kalashnikov, and the cartridge’s consumption is less. Now, if SCS under 5.45 ..
      1. 2news
        2news 28 January 2016 19: 37 New
        -11
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        Now, if SCS under 5.45 ..

        No problems. M16 is called. Better one that A1. It is weaker, more like an SCS under a small caliber. Just remember to switch to single fire.
        Well, but seriously, then self-loading (semi-automatic) under the small-caliber, this is stupidity. Small-caliber vehicles were specially adopted in order to equip soldiers individually automatic weapons. Normal, not like ersatz type AK-47 / AKM. Because I made a good automatic weapon on a cartridge with a classic bullet of normal caliber is impossible. The laws of physics are against.
        And if absolutely in an adult way, then the AK-47 / AKM had no right to exist at all. If they really wanted to arm the army, "across the whole world", then there could be a bunch of SKS + RPK (even better RPD, and even better "Czech couple" Vz.52 chambered for 7,62x45 mm). And without any "automatic machines". AK-47 / AKM is stupidity that quickly passed. But it was expensive. Automatic machines could appear already in the 70s and on a small-caliber cartridge. Like the whole world.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 30 January 2016 18: 51 New
          0
          He served with SCS in 1989 in Riga. We have a company of the guard of honor Kribrib VO located. The drill was, it seemed a little! Compared to the AK-74, it is noticeably heavier, but it is magnificent in terms of accuracy and accuracy. I do not know about the volume of production, but the number was four-digit. It was more difficult with incomplete disassembly and assembly than AK, but not critical. Before firing at the final test, I never cleaned it for six months, but I don’t know how many were not listed, but the first shot from it was remembered for a lifetime. It seemed to me that I rode backwards on the belly, and the subsequent ones did not feel the return. In quarantine, techniques were worked out with him with a bayonet over automobile tires - the design of the mount and the bayonet itself is very strong (blade).
          I have a positive impression on SCS. Only the appearance of video shows with American films made us parrots, and we repeated the same circus. Our combat techniques with SCS are many times more beautiful and more complex. And the inquiring mind of our soldiers, and in the guard for 2 hours after 4, there’s nothing to do, but here the unit ... Personally, I worked out charging without a bar and from above, and a gray one through the open shop lid. He sent the throne to the chamber and, having emptied the rest, he jerked the shutter to extract it. It was only vainly remembered. Right now I think, but is it worth calling at 18?
          Then he served with the AK-74.
        2. aws4
          aws4 30 January 2016 22: 26 New
          +2
          like the whole world ??? let me ask you if you had experience shooting army rifles chambered for 7.52x51 for example g3 or m14? if you took this weapon in your hands, shot it, then I think you would have gentler responded about AK in caliber 7.62 .... m14 didn’t hold a long heavy minimum a kilo more than ak ... r3 shot a little shorter but a bit heavy ... conclusion - a 5+ single fire automatic is not needed at all .... the recoil in a single shot seemed a bit higher than that of akm despite the fact that the cartridge 762x51 is much more powerful than 762x39 which surprised me ... although it was necessary to shoot at the same time but alas not there was a possibility .... in automatic mode, in my opinion, the amateur g3 proved to be full g ... about the point in it, there is no way to achieve at least some kind of fire density, it’s just not possible, well, unless if you adapt bipods to it and shoot lying though I I didn’t try, I think with m14 and fn fal the same song, with all its shortcomings and terrible accuracy, you can shoot from akm with an automatic gun from a standing hand or from a knee ... there is only one conclusion, although I am not happy with ak47, akm would go to battle it was with him and not with his American or German peers ... at the time of its appearance, the ak47 was clearly superior in many respects to its competitors and lost only in the accuracy of a single fire (powerful cartridge, barrel length, best ballistics, long sighting line) won in 1) mass (both the weapon itself and the cartridge) 2) size ( arms are long) 3) reliability 4) automatic fire 5) wearable ammunition and store capacity .... you can’t argue with the facts dear))))))))))))))))))))))
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  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 January 2016 07: 29 New
    +5
    He worked in a St. John's wort in the 80s, the bayonet of the SKS was a knife. It was used only, as they say now, for a photo shoot. When decommissioning the SCS, he removed the bayonet and lay around idle for a long time, until a familiar hunter took it for forging into a hunting knife.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 28 January 2016 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      for forging into a hunting knife.

      ???? Could use a bearing for this purpose than spoil a good thing.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 29 January 2016 05: 29 New
        +4
        So at least he went into business, but he was not in business.
  5. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 28 January 2016 07: 57 New
    +2
    The feeling that a needle bayonet is pointed at you differs from a knife bayonet is not very pleasant. He served in the Air Force and we had an SCS. The truth shot him only once before the oath, and only a couple of times during the entire service were they taken to the shooting range and then not all, given the 3 cartridge.
    Thank you for the article.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 28 January 2016 08: 05 New
      +1
      For me, it makes no difference, everything is very unpleasantly one, even when just with a knife ...
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 28 January 2016 11: 25 New
      16
      He served in the air defense. Shot often.
      Concerning bayonets:
      At the final check, Comrade Colonel from the corps headquarters decided to "survey" our battery.
      I did not get the password. I assigned my own.
      The guard was "young". Dzhelushpayev, a small puny Turkmen.
      He crept up to the inspector from behind, stuck the SKS's needle bayonet into his overcoat between the shoulder blades and asked with an eerie accent: "You know the password."
      The colonel did not know my "password". Dzhelushpaev marinated him under the autumn rain with snow, then brought him to my checkpoint.
      I gave him a drink of tea, half a pack of my "capital" he smoked and I saw him only at the summing up.
      The battery was recognized as the best in terms of ground defense and camouflage personnel.
      Dzhelushpaev went (though two months later - because he was "young") to his native aul / kishlak for 10 days without a road. He brought all sorts of raisins, dried apricots, etc. to the whole battery.
      Conclusion - even a weakly trained but determined fighter has a real bayonet in his hands. smile
      Respectfully..
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 28 January 2016 20: 57 New
        +1
        Lekov

        He also served in air defense.

        The bayonet knife is very fragile. Often in the guard they wrote to them on the walls. There was a good risk of breaking. The bayonet knives were dull. They could not cut, even a loaf of bread. The needle bayonet for kink seemed more reliable.

        Begun marching throws as part of a battalion, all with joined bayonets. Spectacular, but they didn’t get into a fuss ... Many fled with a carbine on his neck across his chest. The bayonets stuck out dangerously. Others fell with a somersault. Again this bayonet. In general, I remember now. In place of the commander of the BH BV, the russians forbade running with joined bayonets.

        They only shot with attached bayonets.

        Sorry for the safety. There is no possibility of correction.
  6. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 28 January 2016 08: 26 New
    +2
    Met three types of surface treatment of the blade. Brushed-glossy, matte-grained and burnished-black. You can fight this. Of the bad: - charge in winter with frozen fingers; - during the march-throws stuffs his leg-thigh butt.
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 28 January 2016 11: 36 New
      +5
      In addition to the three types of blade processing about which you write, I met four types of sharpening it roughly as the article describes.
      - only the front "piercing" part - the side blades are blunt;
      - the front piercing part and the lower blade;
      - the front piercing part and the upper blade;
      - the front piercing part and both blades.
      All sharpening is clearly factory, with no correlation with the year of release found.
      Also needle bayonets were on carbines after 54 of the year of release, and knife 53 of go.
      The SKS in my opinion is a good, reliable, well-made weapon that the TK of the customer fully responded in due time
      Sincerely.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 28 January 2016 13: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Lekov L
        Also needle bayonets were on carbines after 54 of the year of release, and knife 53 of go.

        Where were you located? For those who are off topic, I explain the first, practically pre-production, released carbines of 1949. had a needle bayonet, in 1950 the carabiner was finalized according to the results of trial operation - the changes were as follows: the bayonet became bladed - the selection in the box and the front stop accordingly changed, the gas pipe received a semicircular step changed, the trigger base was strengthened, the gas pipe latch flag was extended.
      2. gross kaput
        gross kaput 28 January 2016 13: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Lekov L
        front stitching and lower blade;
        - the front piercing part and the upper blade;

        The bayonet blade can be installed this way and that, so there were only two types of blade bayonets, regarding coatings - all blade bayonets were polished and needle bayonets oxidized, all other "options" are either the consequences of arsenal repairs or the creativity of the owners.
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 28 January 2016 14: 09 New
          +1
          I read your comments with interest.
          Not at all bought for sell.
          I write what I saw. In my battery, together with the RFP, there were more than 30 carbons of the type of SKS in service with the fighters.
          The creativity of the "owners" in the combat air defense unit was not welcomed.
          I wrote everything I wrote with interest in the 80s.
          As he was interested in small arms he paid attention to the years of release and the bayonets installed on the carbines. It may well be that some of them were repaired in our RAV service.
          According to the records in the weapons logbooks, most (now I don’t remember exactly - about 20 units) have served weapons in the above units for at least 15 years. Those. actually from the date of arrival of our military unit on the PPD.
          Probably, the broken blades were being remounted on the "needles", but I did not find any bluing violations or scratches on the fasteners.
          Therefore, I would ask you to take my comment not as an attempt to "prick" the author, but as a desire, together with respected colleagues, to figure it out.
          Polished blade bayonets were in the standard group. The other carbines were light matte. There was a couple of blackened bayonets for the whole regiment. I was surprised to see them after some construction with a weapon.
          Respectfully..
          1. Lekov L
            Lekov L 28 January 2016 15: 05 New
            +2
            I'm sorry to add.
            Blued blades had a sharpening and the upper and lower blades.
            For gross kaput
            Approximately half (!) Of carbines in our military unit had needle-shaped bayonets.
            It is really interesting to clarify the situation, because from what I saw (not only in my unit and not only in my unit) there were no 49 rifles in the regiment at all, there were 50-th but not very much.
            With respect and interest ..
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 28 January 2016 18: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Lekov L
              50th were but not very much.

              The blade bayonet appeared in 1950, but it is not difficult to guess from January 1, it is believed that the design changes were made at the beginning of 1950. How many carbines in 1950 they managed to release with needles is not known, nor will it be known exactly when . even in the factory monthly reports, division was not done. The only thing known is that they were removed from the reserve along with the already new carbines with a blade until mid-1950.
              In general, the SCS is very interesting in that it was produced very little - from 1949 to 1956 - but was constantly modernized and refined, in 1951 the shape of the box cover was changed, in 1952 the USM was redone as the carbines began to shoot in bursts as a result of wear, so an additional disconnector was introduced into the structure, and at the same time, they redid the fuse - for a clear fixation, he got a spring, and also redid a couple of shop-latch store because on early carbines they periodically bit their spring. In 1955, the bolt was changed - a new drummer was introduced, the drummer's check began to be fixed at the same time as the ejector. In addition, there were many other smaller changes - a plywood bed, a change in the shape of the butt of the butt, a second indentation in the neck area, a change in chamfers on the receiver, and a dozen others.
              Yes, I almost forgot - one of the most important changes - the early SCS had a non-chrome bore channel since 1952, the trunks began to chrome.
          2. gross kaput
            gross kaput 28 January 2016 15: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Lekov L
            The creativity of the "owners" in the combat air defense unit was not welcomed.

            Creativity of the owners was meant - numerous MMG, OP-SCS, emulsified, etc. of which the sea is now.
            Quote: Lekov L
            It may well be that some of them were being repaired in our RAV service.

            It was necessary either to look at the card for the weapon - repairs there are marked without fail, or on the "extra" marks - a square crossed out diagonally - the mark of arsenal repair, it is possible that the stock was killed on the carbines and the spare parts were only for the early ones, so they put the stock under the needle with the appropriate replacement of the "body kit" - receiver clutch and bayonet. By the way, in addition to the box, it is also necessary to change the barrel coupling with the front sight stand and the bayonet tide - despite the general technical solution for attaching the bayonet, the sizes of the protrusions on the tide and the bayonet tube at the needle and the blade are different, if my sclerosis does not change me, the blade can be put on the needle mount with peeling but on the contrary, no - it dangles.
            Quote: Lekov L
            Polished blade bayonets were in the banner group

            It is unambiguously already "local delights" that only carbines for the guard of honor with all chrome-plated metal parts were officially produced; bayonets were never separately polished at the factory.
            Quote: Lekov L
            The rest of the carbines were light matte.

            This is grinding
            Quote: Lekov L
            Burnished bayonets were a couple for the whole regiment

            It is most likely that the bayonets were re-sharpened and in order to be brought to an adequate appearance (it is impossible to grind at the factory in the workshop) they were oxidized, although this is absent in technological maps for military repair of the SCS.
            1. Lekov L
              Lekov L 28 January 2016 15: 54 New
              +2
              Thank you very much!
              I read with great interest.
              I will try to find in the relevant literature.
              There were not enough time and mind to look at the weapon cards for finding out such details - nevertheless, the battalion commander - there were enough papers without it! smile
              He himself handed over to repair 2 carbine - the notorious automatic fire and biting the bolt in the rearmost position.
              Carabiners replaced, the fate handed over is unknown.
              Since the battery was within walking distance from the shooting range and was friends with the RAV service - he shot at one time with the soldiers until the "ringing in the ears" of everything that was written off the b / p from the DH.
              I am glad that I found a site with adequate interlocutors (en masses, as Vybegallo said) smile
              Regards, thank you!
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        3. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 28 January 2016 19: 04 New
          +1
          You are incompetent! The blade bayonet coating was 50 on 50 shiny and matte. But in the year 1974 or 75 for the first time I saw how whole units were given new SCS with a black burned bayonet - 300 pieces at once.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 28 January 2016 20: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: a.hamster55
            You are incompetent!

            So I absolutely agree with you, I saw the SCS only in the picture, and brought them to mind a couple of dozen with replacing the tree with finalizing the USM and bringing it into view the corresponding year - so it was only a dream! laughing
            the one that will change into plastic 54 g. Tula for shootings because the barrel is chrome, the second 50 g on the same number without repair marks - he already set the plywood from the spare parts himself since it was a pity for his native tree.
            And now the question is, is your bayonet brilliant or 50 to 50?
            Quote: a.hamster55
            But in the year 1974 or 75, for the first time I saw how whole units were given brand new SCS with a black burned bayonet - 300 pieces at once.

            If the bayonet is a needle, then it should be so, if the blade is most likely painted when laying for arsenal storage, if you do not know then the painted black bolts on SCSs are the consequences of an arsenal bulkhead.
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 31 January 2016 01: 03 New
              +1
              Today I consulted with a person for whom bayonets and hobbies and bread, SCS black bayonets are the consequences of arsenal repairs - in the event that the bayonet blade was damaged or traces of corrosion were polished and oxidized, and from the mid-70s it was painted with gun enamel, which is why black blades happen both new and old type, but they are always thinner, shorter and narrower "white" bayonets of the same type.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 28 January 2016 21: 12 New
        +1
        Lekov

        SCS is heavy. Recharge is also needed. When reloading cartridges from the cartridge strive to fall out.

        True, I saw on YouTube, in Canada, one guy from the SCS shoots with reloading very quickly.
        1. 2news
          2news 28 January 2016 22: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          When reloading cartridges from the cartridge strive to fall out.

          Do not strive. In the holder on both sides are locks. To squeeze the cartridge from the holder into the store you need to make an effort. He himself will not fall out.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 28 January 2016 22: 46 New
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            The locks are worth it, but when reloading it all the same, make sure that the cartridges were all in place.
            On the one hand, if the locks are loosened, cartridges can fall out. On the other hand, if it is loosened, it is more difficult to press them into the thumb with the thumb
            Vseravno skill needed.
    2. michell
      michell 28 January 2016 16: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Met three types of surface treatment of the blade. Brushed-glossy, matte-grained and burnished-black. You can fight this. Of the bad: - charge in winter with frozen fingers; - during the march-throws stuffs his leg-thigh butt.


      We had knife matte-grained - as I understand it, in order to disguise - this coating does not give shine. I only saw polished-brilliant ones in the presidential regiment (on TV, of course), paid special attention; I did not meet black during the service. On the march, it’s simple - you put the carabiner on the neck horizontally in front of you, put your hands on the carabiner - it’s much easier to run.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 28 January 2016 18: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: michell
        Polished shiny

        Polishing glistens - if you had to clean a badge, you should understand that the polished surface does not glisten.
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 28 January 2016 21: 07 New
      +1
      A march throw can only be run with a carabiner on a shoulder strap. Hanging back with a belt through the chest causes breathlessness. Yes, and all other methods knock down breathing.
      1. 2news
        2news 28 January 2016 22: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: gladcu2
        A march throw can only be run with a carabiner on a shoulder strap.

        You can’t run in any way, because on the shoulder, it's sadomaso. Sadomaso and behind, because pretty quickly rubbing a store between the shoulder blades a huge mazol.
        More or less you can still run by hanging on the neck. But this is also not for everybody.
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  7. Head
    Head 28 January 2016 08: 40 New
    +1
    He served in the air defense in 89-91. He began his service with an SKS with a needle bayonet, but the guys had a dagger too. My rifle never fired, so I never cleaned it after firing. Once during an exercise, the chief of the OBU put me on a temporary post in front of the entrance to the caponier, and then the regiment commander and his 1 deputy arrived. I do not know all the nuances of the guard service, tk. I didn't go on guard (I was part of the SBR), they came up to me, the regimental commander took my carbine, examined it and said, "How are you, fighter, will you shoot if your carbine has no striker?" I answered him "Boldly and decisively act with a bayonet and a rifle butt." They laughed and they entered the command post. Then again training and the Sary-Shagan training ground. My carbine was in my opinion 49 g. Like a spear into a tree or into a fence - just super. In December 90 I went with the SKS to the visiting guard in Omsk. A very uncomfortable weapon. Long and heavy. It was especially inconvenient to return from Omsk and drag them in an iron box across half of the USSR. We were worn out, especially in Moscow. In early 91, all carbines were replaced with AK-74s.
    1. Fox
      Fox 28 January 2016 10: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: Head
      He served in the air defense 89-91, the service began with the SCS

      smile the same bullshit .... there were SCSs. the general came to firing, took a carbine from the signalman, lay down, pressed the trigger ... SCS spat out a clip and opened the bolt ... the general cursed curiously, put the cap on to the unit commander, and .. . Voile, the brand new AK74 was cleaned of grease and shot off after 3 days ... it was May 90. The weapon also had the stigma 90g.v.a in Sary-Shagan already with AK))))
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 January 2016 13: 53 New
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        Quote: Fox
        the same bullshit .... there were SCSs. the general came to firing, took a carbine from the signalman, lay down, pressed the trigger ... SCS spat out a clip and opened the bolt ... the general cursed curiously, put the cap on to the unit commander, and .. . Voila, the brand new AK74 was cleaned of grease and shot after 3 days ... it was May 90. The weapon also had a 90g.v. stigma and in Sary-Shagan already with AK

        nothing special in the 90th, all VKS were changed to AK-74. I got the same thing.
        I still remember the number
        4488176
  8. Head
    Head 28 January 2016 13: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: Head
    He served in the air defense 89-91, the service began with the SCS

    smile the same bullshit .... there were SCSs. the general came to firing, took a carbine from the signalman, lay down, pressed the trigger ... SCS spat out a clip and opened the bolt ... the general cursed curiously, put the cap on to the unit commander, and .. . Voile, the brand new AK74 was cleaned of grease and shot off after 3 days ... it was May 90. The weapon also had the stigma 90g.v.a in Sary-Shagan already with AK))))

    We went to Sary-Shagan with SCSmi. On the road, the sentry did not have time to drop into the car and when he jumped onto the platform, he dropped his carbine under the wheels. At the next stop, this sentry, distributor and nachkar went by some car along the tracks to look for a carbine. Then they brought it already to the landfill, gouged into the trash, just a piece of bent iron with chips. His train has moved.
  9. Head
    Head 28 January 2016 13: 47 New
    +1
    We traveled to Sary-Shagan in July-August 1990.
  10. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat 28 January 2016 16: 48 New
    +2
    He himself served an emergency in air defense. Training under Vsevolozhsk Leningrad region. In part, there were SCSs mainly with blades, but there were several pieces with needle bayonets. Needle were until 1951 release. After training, the troops were AKMs. We went to Sary-Shagan in 1987 in the spring. We traveled from Mary (Marov) for several days. +35 (May) left from Turkmenistan, + 25 in Tashkent, and about 0 in Kazakhstan and a strong wind turbine. Like this ! I still remember! Then for the first time they saw the S-300.
    1. visitork67
      visitork67 28 January 2016 19: 34 New
      +2
      He also served in the air defense. SKS PYu-849, year of manufacture - 1951. The bayonet is of a new model. Years of service - 1985/87, they switched to AK in our brigade after my demobilization, thank God. A worthy carbine, I can't say anything bad, I beat it for sure. And the system "join-unlock" is a masterpiece, in my opinion. By the way, the blades in the entire part on all carbines were not only not sharpened, but rather blunt to the point of being rounded. Maybe this is because we had apricots about 50% of the personnel, I don't know.
  11. general.bnw
    general.bnw 28 January 2016 17: 32 New
    +3
    Lord! SCS is one of our domestic weapons masterpieces, I think. And he will probably serve forever: in the PKK, in security, among hunters.
  12. tolancop
    tolancop 28 January 2016 18: 46 New
    +1
    SCS held in his hands (and fired) the only time - at the training camp on NVP in school. I can’t tell anything about the bayonet SCS. But questions about sharpening bayonets arose. During my service, bayonet knives were put on duty by the orderly and duty officers when they entered the outfit on a company. Each took a bayonet-knife from his machine gun. And we were forbidden to sharpen them categorically - with what sharpening I came from the factory, with this I should have stayed. IMHO, it’s a very reasonable requirement, otherwise in a few years the knife bayonet could very well be sharpened to a needle bay.
  13. zenion
    zenion 28 January 2016 19: 43 New
    +5
    The most beautiful weapon I've ever seen. He shot in the army from him. Recoil - almost not felt. I tried with my bayonet to poke at a post, I went in, like in oil. Then, on the 20th anniversary of the Victory, they walked in a box with attached bayonets. They are white, beautiful, very distinguished from the general background. Such a box with mounts, as during the Victory Parade in Moscow.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 28 January 2016 22: 17 New
      0
      I probably taught 400 soldiers drill with weapons. With SCS is very beautiful.

      After quarantine, the oath soldiers in white gloves looked gorodok. They were really proud that they had military training techniques at the same time. Well, of course, and I appreciated myself for my work. Although, when they were taught from the side, it seemed that they were mocking me. Weakness did not allow anyone. I have such a moral.
  14. kvs207
    kvs207 28 January 2016 21: 46 New
    +1
    In training, we had such handsome men. Was with me. Cleaned, shot. Since then, I have become very fond of SCS. Our bayonets were of a dagger type. I still remember the commands: Bayonet - fold, Bayonet - join.
  15. Fidel
    Fidel 28 January 2016 22: 11 New
    +1
    And I shot at such a hunt.
    It is clear that already without a bayonet.
    Good impression left.
    Convenient weapon. Light, surprisingly applied even for me (190 cm), and very accurate. As for hunting purposes.
    In a word, a good impression))
  16. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 30 January 2016 20: 24 New
    +2
    Vuyko served in the army with the SCS, in 1963-64.