When to expect revenge for Falkland? The loud statements of the government Mauricio Macri and the real situation

Argentine Army inspect intercepted "Harrier", 1982

Today, when the entire focus of our close attention is focused on military conflicts in New Russia, Syria and Western Asia, as well as on the tense situation in the Asia-Pacific region, a lot of interesting facts come through a number of foreign media from South America. Argentina, which did not want to observe the colonial British sovereignty over the originally Argentine Malvinas Islands, which stretch across the Atlantic expanses 463 kilometers from the continental part of the state, made a number of loud geopolitical statements. The latter are accompanied by some military-technical programs and contracts, which make one seriously think about continuing the confrontation over the ownership of the Malvinas Islands, illegally taken from the “silver country” 183 a year ago.

The hot dispute over the ownership of the Falkland Islands continues between Britain and the lands of the future Argentine Confederation, and then Argentina, from the second half of the 18th century, when the Spaniards in the 1770 had completely legally expelled the British from Port Egmont, who were occupied in 1766, two years later than the French navigator Louis Antoine de Bougainville settled the island of East Falkland with the first settlements that were later bought by the Spanish Empire. Then the Anglo-Spanish relations began to approach the escalation of a major military conflict in the South Atlantic theater, but the American Revolutionary War (US War of Independence), which began in 1775, forced Britain to temporarily change its strategy and temporarily leave the Falkland Islands.

In 1816, the already independent Argentina finally declared the Falklands its territory, but already in 1834, the British flag was raised in Port Louis by 148 years already. And even the Falklands War of 1982 could not bring Argentina success in establishing sovereignty over the islands.

Lieutenant General Leopoldo Galtieri, who became the helm of the state in 1981, absolutely incorrectly compared the potentials of the Argentine Air Force and Navy with the British Royal Navy fleet and the Air Force, which at such a large strategic distance (12000 km) from the kingdom, although they numerically lost, significantly surpassed Argentina technologically. This was especially true for the superiority of the submarine component advanced anti-submarine aviation, as well as more advanced air-to-air missiles of the AIM-9L “Sidewinder” melee range, which were at the disposal of the British army. An equally important role in the tactical advantage of the British was the geographical factor, as well as the absence of Argentinean navy aircraft-carrying types of warships and effective naval air defense systems. The great remoteness of the Falklands archipelago from the continental part of South America did not allow the Argentinean Mirages, Super Etendars, and Skyhokas to operate for a long time in the area of ​​the British naval compound and the islands themselves due to the insufficient range with fully "loaded" points pendants. Even the outboard fuel tanks did not help, since Argentine pilots were forced to keep tactical aircraft at extremely low altitudes (about 100 meters) due to the excellent energy parameters of the Blue Fox radar, which was used by British Harrier FRS fighter pilots during the approach to the islands. 1 ”were found by Argentines at ranges of up to 55 km, Type 996 naval radars (Sheffield class EM radar radars) found medium-high targets at an even greater distance, which was later confirmed by the successful work of the Sea Dart missile defense calculations.

In addition, the pilots of the Argentine 2-flywheel fighters almost had no opportunity to use the afterburner, also to save fuel; this limited the thrust of arms during a BHB with very “backward” “Harriers”. But the main factor that determined the sad outcome of the closest air battles with the British Harrier FRS.1 was the presence of Shafrir air-to-air missiles, purchased by the Argentine Air Forces from Israel in the 70s. These short-range missiles are slightly improved counterparts of the obsolete American AIM-9B. Their IR GOS which had low sensitivity and could not intercept "Harriers" in the forward hemisphere. Interception to the rear hemisphere was also very difficult: “Harriers” have a constructively reduced infrared signature due to the original design of the cruise missile turbofan Pegasus Mk. 104. Front swivel air nozzles create thrust with the help of cold air flow from the engine compressor compartment, this stream quickly cools the hot jet stream of the rear swivel nozzles that discharge the jet gases from the combustion chamber and the fan turbine. Finally, the warm jet stream is quickly “dissected” by inverted V-shaped stabilizers, and is also blocked by a developed center section and underwing wing PTB bodies.

The above list of interesting technical facts determined the outcome of the Malvinas 82 war of the year, but this conflict was not exhausted by the then failure.

In June, 2015 was commanded by Major General Ricardo Kund, commander of the Falkland War and former military pilot, commander of the Land Forces of Argentina, and the country's previous and current presidents continue to raise the issue of willingness to defend their interests in the archipelago. At the beginning of 2016, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Argentine Republic was reminded of the desire of the people and leadership to gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands peacefully, but the multipolar type of world order makes its own adjustments, and the power method of solving is not an exception in the ongoing Falkland crisis. The latest surge of tensions is associated with the start of the development by the British Falkland Oil and Gas and Premier Oil of explored large oil and gas fields in the vicinity of the Falkland Islands. Naturally, no coordination with the Argentine side was even considered “in the germ”, which causes sound bewilderment and aggression among the population and the leadership of Argentina.

The success of Argentina in the military confrontation with Britain over Falkland today seems to be a unique fantastic picture, however, not so long ago, facts began to appear that the South American republic was slowly but surely increasing its military-technical potential, and information about possible important defense contracts flashed .

GROZNY "LYVYATS" AND FIGHTING "GRYPHONES" OF THE ARGENTINIAN AIR FORCES IN THE POSSIBLE FIGHT FOR FOLKLENDS

The likely resumption of confrontation for the Malvinas Islands in the future does not allow to sleep easy, not only to British demagogues and military experts, but also to the command of the UK armed forces. This can be easily confirmed by the regular actions of the kingdom’s government, which previously, with the help of a powerful lobby in the EU and in the Middle East, has blocked far more than one important contract of Argentina for the purchase of more or less modern types of weapons for the country's air force. First of all, we are talking about updating a fairly outdated fleet, as well as a deep modernization of the most successful machines of the Mirage III-EA / R family and the Israeli versions of the IAI “Dagger” and “Finger”. "Mirages" continued to fly with a weak Cyrano radar, which could not detect and consistently accompany air targets against the background of the earth's surface. It also had a short-range (40 km) target acquisition (3 times shorter than that of the onboard ECR-90 CAPTOR radar installed on the new British Typhoon). Also, in order to defend the Falkland Islands, the British Air Force transferred a link from the 4-x multi-purpose fighter EF-2000 “Typhoon” to the archipelago. The information about a possible Argentina contract for the purchase of Russian Su-24M front-line bombers, which were the carriers of the widest range of high-precision missile weapons and could fundamentally change the balance of power with the British, but the contract was never signed. The situation remained the same.

And so, at the end of 2015, the publication MercoPress published the signing of a contract between Argentina and Israel, providing for the sale of the Israeli multi-purpose fighter jets "Kfir Block 18" to the 60 air force by the Argentinean XNUMX air force. Event in stories the Argentine army is really important, because the modification of this “Kfira” (Heb., “lion”) according to the performance characteristics corresponds to the tactical aviation of the “4 +” generation, and creates a huge threat to the Air Force and the British Navy in the Falkland Archipelago.

Despite the fact that “Kfir Block 60” is represented by an old “Mirajewski” glider, the improvement with the newest avionics and air-to-air refueling system allowed the car to dramatically increase its generation up to such aircraft as the F-16C Block 50 and Gripen, and for some qualities and surpass them.

The “Kfir Block 60” link carries out air refueling

The determining factor of the highest combat potential of Kfira is a powerful on-board radar with AFAR EL / M-2052, developed by ELTA. Its export modification is represented by an 1500 MRP antenna array with a total power up to 10 kW; the station is capable of detecting air targets with 3 m2 EPR at a distance of up to 260 km, an F-35B target (EPR near 0,3 m2) will be detected at a distance of 150 km, which will not allow the British to seize the initiative from the Argentine Air Force in long-range combat for due to low visibility "Lightning". "Typhoon" will be even more difficult to resist the modernized "Kfiram."

The EL / M-2052 radar in terms of detection exceeds most of the ordinary radar of modern fighter jets of the transitional generation, the Israeli radar superiority coefficients over range in terms of published data look like this: AN / APG-79 (Super Hornet) - 1,7, ECR -90 CAPTOR (“Typhoon”) - 1,9, AN / APG-63 (V) 3 (F-15SE “Silent Eagle”) - 1,5; and, paradoxically, the Israeli radar surpasses even the radar with AF / AN / APG-81 AF of the inconspicuous American F-35 fighter jets, which will go into service with the Royal Navy of Great Britain.

The only thing inferior to the Israeli American radar is in the number of targets accompanied on the passage (64 vs. 100) and the absence of a synthetic aperture mode for scanning the earth's surface for the presence of various types of ground-based equipment with a resolution of up to several meters. Nevertheless, the station is perfectly adapted to detect remote surface targets and target designation for modern anti-ship long-range missiles, which can be unified in two ways with the open-air architecture of the Kfir Block 60.

Even two incomplete squadrons from 18 "Kfirov" are capable of delivering a lot of trouble for the British fleet near Falklands. In the anti-shipping version, such a regiment can carry up to 64 modern anti-ship missiles with a range of 200 — 250 km. And send a couple of support ships or even the most up-to-date EM of the 45 “Daring” type to the bottom, without entering the dangerous radius of destruction of their shipboard Sylver SAMs for them is not difficult, because the Argentines well remembered 82 year, when the set of “Skyhawks” and The Mirage was shot down by the Sea Dart air defense system.

"Kfirs" are high-speed machines capable of speeding 2,2M, and their combat radius is about 1000 km, which fully covers all boundaries and flight directions to the Falkland Archipelago. It’s no secret that airplanes are equipped with a helmet-based target designation system synchronized with the radar and EKGSN missiles of the BVB Python, as well as tactical information exchange systems via radio channels of communication with neighboring vehicles and airborne and ground-based radars.

Due to these innovations, the Argentine Air Force can achieve significant success on certain ON Falklands. But for the long-term superiority over the British Navy, possessing two Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers with an 76 F-35B, 11 MAPL Trafalgar and Astute airframe, as well as 6 EM Daring, are needed both in the air force and in the navy of argentina.

Apparently, it is planned to eliminate the deficit by acquiring a certain number of modifications of the SAAB brainchild, the multipurpose Jas-39 “Gripen NG” fighter, simplified or modified in Brazil. The contract for the purchase of these machines can be signed and implemented exclusively under the supervision of the Coordinating Committee for the selection of Brazilian combat aircraft, and without British components, replaced by other similar devices. The UK has already blocked direct shipments of Gripen from SAAB assembly plants to Argentina. For example, Argentina is unlikely to be able to get a modification of the “Gripen NG” with the new AFAR-radar Selex Galileo Raven ES-05, which is produced in Scottish Edinburgh, but it can get more advanced versions of radars such as NORA or other radars that can be unified with LMS “Gripena”.

But the Argentine Jas-39, unfortunately the British, will not be deprived of the CDL-39 tactics exchange system, created by Ericsson on the basis of the American digital radio station Fr90, which uses the most sophisticated radio channel scrambling algorithm and frequency interpolation. The tactical data exchange system CDL-39 is approximately 2 times ahead of the eminent Link-16 in data transfer speed and has two-way data transfer, without any hierarchical system characteristic of Link-16.

An important feature of the future Air Force of Argentina is the possibility of using the “Kfirov” with the new EL / M-2052 radar as a “mini-ARLO”, as is practiced in the MiG-31BM - Su-27, Su-30CM - Su-27, etc. series. d. The only question that remains open is the supply of long-range air-to-air missiles, which could outrun such products as the MBDA Meteor or AIM-120C-7 / 8, which sooner or later will find its solution. After all, the current geopolitical situation in Asia is now playing in favor of Argentina.

Israel, which is the main supplier of combat aircraft to Argentina over the past 40 years, is not satisfied with the lifting of most of the sanctions against Iran by the EU and the US, and therefore, regardless of possible pressure from Britain and its European partners, it will continue to provide technical and logistical support for Argentine defense contracts, playing a primary role in the situation around the dispute about the ownership of the Falkland Islands.

Argentines have a plan "B". The Chinese corporations "Shenyang" and "Chengdu" have long ago switched over to the production of aircraft equipment of an entirely new "variety". If until the middle of 90, these companies specialized only in the production of such 3 generation machines as the J-8IIM and J-8III, developed on the basis of the latest versions of the MiG-21, taking into account the design of the Su-15, by the year 1998 had occurred technology leap of the Chinese military industrial complex, - the first flight was made by a light MFI J-10. The appearance on the world stage of such multi-role fighters and bombers like the Su-27, Su-30, F-22A and Su-34 forced the Celestial to hurry, because the "decrepit" fleet from a heap of modified copies of the MiG-17 / 19 / 21 already has , and the country was already positioned as a young superpower.

Prototype of the 5th generation Chinese fighter J-31. The reliability of this twin-engine fighter is significantly higher than that of the American single-engine F-35B. In addition to the fact that the American fighter is equipped with the most complex and less reliable one Pratt & Whitney F135-400 turbojet engine with a "cardan" for the lifting fan, the Chinese aircraft has a more reliable design, where the nacelles of the two engines are spaced a considerable distance from each other, which reduces the possibility of mutual combustion power plants if one of them is damaged. The range of the J-31 is 1250 km, the F-35B - only 865 km; when installing a more powerful radar, the Chinese fighter turns into a full-fledged 5th generation aviation complex, significantly ahead of the F-35

Now the range of promising tactical aviation for export from the PRC is huge. And “Chengdu” has long been considering Argentina as a buyer of a very popular and advanced machine FC-1 (JF-17), which in terms of impact qualities is not inferior to the same “Gripen”. The hope was also expressed for the conclusion of a deal with the Argentines on the latest unobtrusive fighter from the "Shenyang" J-31. Incidentally, this would be the most appropriate solution for the latter, because after equipping the Israeli radar with AFAR, the Chinese "stealth" would have become much more formidable 5 generation machines than the British F-35B (J-31 sounded in 1,5 times exceeds the indicators of "Lightning" with KVVP).

The multipurpose nuclear submarine of the British fleet S.88 "Tireless" class "Trafalgar". It belongs to the class of torpedo submarines, but from 533-mm TA you can also launch the BGM-109C / D / E “Tomahawk” SRS to destroy remote ground and surface targets within 900 radius, so the submarine is considered to be a shock and can participate in tactical and strategic airplanes. -space offensive operations. In the absence of proper cover of the Argentine strategic facilities with modern ZRK-PRO, any military confrontation with the British can result in a very unpleasant surprise in the form of dozens of “Tomahawks” that “broke through” from any operational direction down to the Antarctic

But a number of difficulties associated with the weak air defense of the Argentine air bases from the Tomahawks missile strikes of the British Astute and Trafalgar submarines, as well as with the deployment of coastal long-range PKRCs to support strike aircraft, do not allow any attempts to war for the islands. Argentina has neither a proper anti-submarine defense, nor modern diesel-electric submarines for submarine warfare with technological Britain. And only after solving these problems will it be possible to seriously think about the revenge of Argentina in the centuries-old territorial dispute.

Comments

[semirek]

A good deal before the "battle", then that it will be, sooner or later - no doubt. If, of course, Argentina begins to buy Russian weapons, and not all rubbish from around the world.

[Hammer]

I doubt very much in Argentina’s ability not only to go for revenge, but also just create a shock fist that could somehow frighten the brazen ones.
In modern economic realities, this is simply not possible, and in the near foreseeable future it is unlikely. As the author of the article correctly noted, combat aircraft is an important, but the only moment that Argentina needs to solve. At least two more components - modern air defense and modern submarines. And all this in the complex is not one ten billion eternally green and for many years ... In general, what Argentina does not have now.
So any statements by the Argentinean military leadership are only saturation of rainwater with hydrogen sulfide.

[atalef]

Quote: Hammer

I doubt very much in Argentina’s ability not to go for revenge,
:

When the economy is in full f ..., the government first of all raises militaristic rhetoric and seeks spiritual bonds - but to distract the population from problems

[donavi49]

She has no money and will not appear in the foreseeable future to buy something new or less massive. They have there a deep economic decline in the ass, which led to a change of president by the way.

And the Argentinean fleet is a paper concept, because it fell apart without money for repairs, not to mention the purchase of new ships.

And the landing on the islands from Kfira cannot be thrown. Actually, again, the question is for purposes. The British won in the last war, because they squeezed the islands in the landing operation, and the Argentines could not hold. Now the Argentines do not have the opportunity to conduct a naval landing and supply it, even with minimal cover, so that some patrol RIVER or God forgive the pr. 23 / Astyud would not let him feed the fish.

[Sweles]

the previous war between the country of Serebryannaya and England was rather strange. Strange because in this war there was practically no ground component. The silver ones could completely dig in the islands, establish an airfield network, mine the approaches — there was time, but they didn’t do it, and the English landing had practically no problems, landed and captured the islands. Before that, they fought a little in the air, sunk several ships — that’s the whole war .
Hence the conclusion that the silver army is not a serious army, such as the Egyptian one, and can not oppose anything to England. In addition, betting on Chinese airplanes and weapons is not worth it - untested equipment, so all this talk about the war is just talk ...

[Selevc]

Quote: Sveles

the previous war between the country of Serebryannaya and England was rather strange. Strange because in this war there was practically no ground component.

The war was such because the struggle was fought over the supply lines ... Anyone who wants to own the islands must ensure communication ... The loss of communications meant the loss of islands ... Therefore, land battles were not as bright as sea and air ... And Britain could not hold the islands without providing ground forces and then Argentina lost the battle with the fleet of Her Majesty surrendered the island without much resistance ...

[Scraptor]

The war was like that because simply "everything went according to plan, and this is the main thing" quote from Mikhail Gorbach

Admiral Anayo screwed up and screwed up, not Galtieri.

If at least one squadron of Argentinean supersonic aircraft were deployed on the islands, they would remain Argentinean.

The Argentine Air Force had "medium air combat" missiles, but this somehow did not help.
The Argentine Navy had an aircraft carrier.
When a radar radiates, then the plane itself discovers itself at a much greater range.
The British shipborne air defense, like the Harrier radar, was lousy.
In addition to the saffron, there were mats - the best rockets at that time in the world.
Fast and the furious Argentines cut in, it helped to get out of the attack only once.
Harrier simply frustrated missile guidance with unexpected maneuvering using VIFF. If the target was captured by the GOS, then it captured it, the tanks are dropped before the battle.

Having no Su-27, Argentina will never recapture the island, but in this case, for sure, the USA will sell the F-22 to the small-shaven, the latter has more chances in the open sea,

The F-35B and F-35C will not be in service - the F-35C has a cracking shell due to hard landing on the deck because the landing hook is attached close to the landing gear and there is nowhere to carry it, and the F-35B is generally GMO complete.
The Chinese’s engines are spaced apart for Toto so that when fragments from a rocket hit one less one gets to the other.

An article, in short - an advertisement for Kfirov.

[Sirocco]

Quote: semirek

A good alignment before the "battle", that it will be, sooner or later - I have no doubt.

Well, just like we have with Japan. If a mess begins, then any cross one can show someone their claim, but here in this matter, oh how many comers.
Offhand, (Poland, Germany, Baltstrans, Ukraine, Turkey, India and oh how much)
In short, someone wants to impose the world mahach.
Maybe I'm wrong.

[revnagan]

Quote: semirek

Unless, of course, Argentina begins to purchase Russian weapons, and not all trash from around the world.

The technique is in the hands of a savage-scrap metal ... You need to be able to handle weapons at a professional level, otherwise the situation with the "seven-day" war in the Middle East will repeat itself. And of course, Russian equipment will be to blame.

[Backbone]

The same Chinese J-31s have a small resource, so you can’t take it at one price. We do not have enough to supply advanced equipment for export ... In disputes with Britons, emphasis should be placed on diplomacy, not forgetting that they are a member of NATO

[svskor80]

I don’t even know why such forecasts. If the whole world does not fall into the third world, then I see the probability of an attack by Argentina Britain as zero. Modern weapons require huge amounts of money (Argentina does not have and does not foresee) and experienced specialists. Sell ​​Argentina (on a non-repayable loan) modern Russian weapons and the situation with the Arabs will repeat itself in the 60-70s. The whole world will scoff at our supposedly "backward" technology.

[parusnik]

The alignment is good..but nothing will happen ... We will return the Fokland slogan .. all parties of Argentina will use it ... Yes, and the political alignment is not in favor of Argentina .. It is worth it to start hostilities, let’s say now .. they’ll call the Argentines, Putin’s extortionists. ..

[Oldwiser]

Quote: parusnik

Should she start fighting

Now pro-American forces and proteges have come to power in Argentina; where can they "start" anything. Some conversations - blah-blah-blah, designed exclusively for internal use.

[Doctor Evil]

Argentina has no aircraft-carrying ships and effective shipborne air defense systems. Here the author is a little cunning. The photo shows the aircraft carrier Ventisinco de Mayo. Complexes "Sea Dart" were also on two destroyers of the project 42 "Hercules" and "Santissima Trinidad", similar to the "Sheffield". But how all this was applied or not used by the Argentine side for its intended purpose is a completely different question.

[31rus]

Dear, this is a bluff, a smart president first arms himself, finds allies, boosts the economy, makes efforts to motivate the population, and only then, according to the "will of the people", makes statements, and this is another advertising show. Failure to solve economic problems is replaced by anything, but this is the way to failure

[voyaka uh]

In 1982 there was the same story. Argentina's economy was crashing,
and the military junta urgently needed a "small victorious war."

But - found a scythe on a stone. Margaret Thatcher was also needed
"small victorious war", as its radical economic
reforms led to strikes and discontent.

And the English fleet missed the victories and rushed into battle.
And - the British marine experience and technology defeated the Latin American
heroism.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

1982 was the same story. Argentina's economy was on the verge of collapse, and the military junta urgently needed a "victorious little war."

Argentina is still scooping up debts, suing after the default of July 2014.
Where does such a fantastic hypothesis come from?

[Scraptor]

The Tory government needed the war more, in the UK it was all bad and not in Argentina, but all the same, these comrades like to lie the other way around

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307989/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead-Musi
c-producer-defends-mocking-Margaret-Thatcher-witch-song.html

[voyaka uh]

I served with a guy from Argentina. He told which
then the patriotic upsurge began, they collected packages for soldiers,
recorded as volunteers (although the masses did not like the junta in the mass).
And the whole army (except aviation), there was, he said, quite rotten,
for parades, exercises - fake, supply - frank
the thieves. In general, he said, "if you walk down the street and meet several
soldier - go to the other side: they can beat, but try
resist, or file a complaint - you yourself will go to jail. "

[samoletil18]

But it’s a pity that ours didn’t plant something for the Argentines. It is understandable that, for ideological reasons, the wrong people were then, but instead of office equipment the Britons would be on strike for the miners, the KGB could arrange the delivery of exosets to the Argentines with Mirages, the French would not refuse to allow Britons to pump up, but money again.

[Scraptor]

the French, then, together with the Americans, on the contrary, threw shit to the Argentinians, and the Germans also
The USSR did not seem to participate in all this, although it was observed aside

[Maegrom]

But Britain is not sleeping either. With the advent of modern aircraft carriers, the illusory nature of a possible victory is growing.

[Pissarro]

Such a joke of humor. What is the name of the current British aircraft carrier? The last HMS Ark Royal was decommissioned in 2012. It is interesting that if the war for the Falklands is tomorrow, the British have nothing to deliver planes to

[Scraptor]

Americans stupidly lease as before going

[zoknyay82]

God is with this Argentina and the UK. It is far far away. And Svalbard is nearby. And the Nipon glances at the Kuril Islands. And Kaliningrad does not let the Poles, the Lithuanians, and the Germans sleep. And let someone else worry about Argentina.

[Scraptor]

if they worry more about their Falklands, they will have less to do with us with Svalbard and with the Kuril Islands

[Pomeranian]

Quote: Scraptor

then they will have less to do with us with Spitsbergen

They, in comparison with the dirty tricks of Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, are children ...

[Scraptor]

problems need to start to be solved with some sort ... can you send him to the Falklands for a visit?

[Scraptor]

and with Crimea ... in Patagonia, sheep and sheep didn’t graze worse, the workers of the Russian military-industrial complex and their children need to eat something

[Owl]

Argentina will not go "militarily" against the Anglo-Saxons, but peacefully, diplomatically - so nothing "shines" for it.

[Scraptor]

then all of South America will go, not the first time

[Pomeranian]

The article is informative, thanks to the author for the work done, but I strongly doubt the military conflict between Argentina and Great Britain over the Falklands. Firstly, the "proud Briton" is a NATO country, and an attack on the Falklands of de facto British territory could lead to unpredictable consequences. Secondly, the population of the Falklands and 20 years ago almost without exception considered themselves subjects of her majesty. And thirdly, there is no such strong leader in Argentina as Peron. And, apparently, never will.

[Pissarro]

you are mistaken in NATO's obligations to the Britons, according to the agreement, collective security and Article 5 are distributed in the territory, ships and aircraft of the participating countries, located north of the tropic of Cancer. When the Argentines went to the Falklands, the British alone defended them, the rest had no reason Just like, for example, when India militarily defeated Portugal from Goa in 1961, nobody fit in either, the base is a territory south of the tropic of Cancer

[Pomeranian]

Quote: Pissarro

When the Argentines went to the Falklands, the British defended them alone, the rest had no reason to intervene.

Then - yes, the islands were considered disputed territory. Now, after the fact of the war, they belong to Britain and it is not clear who will behave and how. Although NATO has much less power now than in the days of the Bose of the deceased USSR.

Quote: Pissarro

base-territory south of the tropic of Cancer

But this I confess, I did not know.

[Scraptor]

extends only to the North Atlantic, and everything else English to the south and in other oceans is an American-rented base island on which there are no Anshlan
or is included (former dominions) in regional blocks (ASEAN)

The British did not do anything alone - the Americans actually intervened in the conflict, provided their communications and satellite intelligence, and all NATO except Spain ruined Argentina.
against argennina they introduced an embargo

Spain itself entered NATO only at the end of that war (already when it became clear that the British would win) ceasing to hope to squeeze redheads from Gibraltar in the near future.

[Pomeranian]

Thank you for the information.

[red_october]

The UK has already blocked Gripen’s direct deliveries from SAAB assembly shops to Argentina. For example, Argentina is unlikely to receive the Gripen NG modification with the new Selex Galileo Raven ES-05 AFAR radar, which is produced in Edinburgh, Scotland ...

Well, then why click the beak?
Didn’t guess to turn to Russia for Su-34 ???
He does all the fighters indicated in the article on the performance characteristics.
Russia having fun rubbing her hands , will sell you the Su-34 / 35 / 30 / 24 not even for the money, but to pull part of the forces of Great Britain and NATO from the European theater of war and pat the nerves of the old woman of England)))
Anyway, corvettes, frigates, diesel-electric submarines - everything your heart desires. I think in 5 years at least 4 "Varshavyanka" off the coast of the Malvinas Islands will not be superfluous. And no conditions and sticks in the wheels on our part - just a shine in our eyes and a desire to annoy the British

[Antanas]

Yes, yes, he’ll give it all away for free, if only to annoy the British :))) But cho, Russia is a rich country, hens are not pecking money.

[bionik]

Burning English destroyer Sheffield. As a result, sank, killing 20 people.

[aleks 62 next]

..... the burning English destroyer Sheffield. As a result, sank

.... And just the work of one small RCC "Exoset" ..... And such an effect .... .... Of the 6 released (there simply weren’t more) - 5 hit the target .... And if there were more available ???? ... What would be the final result ???? ....

[spravochnik]

And if all the bombs that hit the English ships exploded. Then we would discuss a completely different topic. What can I say if my grandmother had ...

[bionik]

Sinking destroyer "Coventry". The price of victory is the loss of two Sheffield-class destroyers, frigates Ardent and Antelope, and a tank landing ship Sir Galahead, a container ship, 10 Harrier aircraft, and 23 helicopters. Another 14 British ships, including light aircraft carriers, received multiple damage. Losses in manpower amounted to 256 killed.

[mav1971]

Quote: bionik

Sinking destroyer "Coventry". The price of victory is the loss of two Sheffield-class destroyers, frigates Ardent and Antelope, and a tank landing ship Sir Galahead, a container ship, 10 Harrier aircraft, and 23 helicopters. Another 14 British ships, including light aircraft carriers, received multiple damage. Losses in manpower amounted to 256 killed.

If it were not for the "left-hand detonators" on the oldest air bombs, this list would be 2-3 times larger. And a British victory would have turned into a defeat.

[Belousov]

Well, the cry of the Argentines "return the islands" reminds me of something, or rather someone, and a very narrow-eyed one. The usual political statement and nothing more. Moreover, they will not be able to pull it economically, and considering that an American protégé came to power, the likelihood of even the beginning of a serious conflict (not to mention the possibility of victory) tends to absolute zero. Most likely, they just want to distract the population from economic problems, which again reminds someone ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: Belousov

Well, the call of the Argentines "return the islands" reminds me of something, or rather someone, and a very narrow-eyed one.

Yeah, there’s only a difference. The Japanese fleet is much more powerful and modern than our Pacific Fleet. Argentina is nothing against England.

[Pissarro]

you overestimate present-day England. The Falkland War was the last purely English war, even they themselves admit that England (like any other side of NATO except the US and Turkey) is no longer capable of fighting alone because of the constant reductions in the armed forces. The current British army is half army during the Falkland War, and military doctrine does not provide for military operations outside the coalition.

[voyaka uh]

"In addition to the fact that the American fighter is equipped with the most complex and less
reliable one turbojet engine Pratt & Whitney F135-400 "////

Why less reliable? Thousands of F-16s fly without problems with one single
Pratt & Whitney. It was improved, made much more economical
and at the same time more powerful.
About 200 F-35s with this engine are already flying, they flew for many hours
and not one crashed in the air.

[aleks 62 next]

..... About 200 F-35s with this engine are already flying, they flew for many hours
and not one crashed in the air ....

.... And if the bird swallows ???? .... ..... Two engines are not only traction, but also reliability (combat stability) .... I agree that one engine is cheap ..... and massively ...

[fregina1]

It was foolish to buy weapons from the allies of Britain! reorientation in time to the USSR and the purchase of Soviet weapons in reality would change the situation! Missiles did not explode planes were weak! And now really think about 4 Soviet submarines as part of the Argentine Navy ....... Soviet air defense right on the Falklands ...... and where would their vaunted strategists be? I don’t even say if there were Soviet anti-ship missiles .. ... Well, what did you think of buying anti-ship Exocets from France against the UK?

[Selevc]

As for Argentine politicians and politicians, there is one incident ... The occupied Malvinas Islands are beneficial as it is not strange to Argentine politicians ... The Falkland problem distracts people from the economic ruin in the country. And if you imagine that tomorrow the Falklands will suddenly become the Argentine Malvins, then economic problems will immediately come to the fore and there will be nothing more to wash their eyes and nothing more to hang on the ears of their constituents !!!

[looker-on]

Thanks for the comment. I always rejoice at smart people. Don't you think that the situation is very similar to the situation in another country? :)

[Selevc]

Quote: looker-on

Thanks for the comment. I always rejoice at smart people. Don't you think that the situation is very similar to the situation in another country? :)

The analogies with Ukraine are certainly obvious ... Ukraine has been in the sphere of influence of the West for a long time - since the beginning of the 90s ... All Ukrainian politicians all this time lied to their people - it was just done secretly before and now it’s obvious and impudent ... If anyone remembers the first half of the 90s, then Kuchma, for example, came to power under the slogan "Friendship with Russia" - because of this, many voted for him and, in contrast to the national Kravchuk, Kuchma seemed more democratic and pro-Russian ... But what in the end? - the son-in-law and daughter are billionaires - during the two presidential terms of Kuchma the fattest pieces of the economic heritage of the former USSR were plundered ... And Kuchma, as a result, became clumsy on the move, overgrown his bald head and wrote the book "Ukraine is not Russia" ... That's all the rekhvorms ..

Yanukovych was also positioned as a pro-Russian president, but he is actually not at all - neither pro-Western nor pro-Russian - he is pro-thieves ... And many said when they were electing Yanukovych - "Well, what is he a thief - but his own thief ..." Yanukovych tried to continue Kuchma's policy of sitting on two chairs - but he did it stupidly and rudely and therefore everything ended with the coming to power of outspoken Western puppets. .. Yushchenko was a mild version of the puppet power, and now frostbitten puppets are in power ... It seems to me that the Party of Regions made one fatal mistake - they turned the dimwitted Yanukovych into a symbol of the fight against nationalities and orange puppets - and he set them up ... And in general - he set up and threw everyone ... But among the regionals there were enough very smart politicians who could save the situation in the country and change the course of events in a more peaceful direction ...

[looker-on]

I And Russia mean in a situation with Syria. I hope no one will deny that the economic problems are on our face and the war against the Isis distracts the masses.

[Kerch]

I read like there CAC did a good job

[bionik]

Quote: Kerch

SAS did a good job there

If anyone is interested.
Raid to Pebble Island. Magazine "Brother" May 2012.

[Balagan]

For a long time I came across an article in which it was said that at some point in 1982 the little shaves were already on the verge and Thatcher began to think about surrender.

[su163]

Argentina will not go to the islands without serious support. Who will render it to her?

[aba]

Well ... Technique is technique, and Argentina's specialists, for example, have airplanes, air defense systems and others?

[Amnestied]

The whole article is built around the "cool" fighter "Kfir", it looks like another ad for the Jewish superwaffe.

[Mavrikiy]

The ashes of "General Belgrano" will always pound in the heart.

[Type 63]

My heart feels that the Empire of Good will not allow the Argentines to fight.

[shoemaker]

Because of what, then break the spears. The islands were bought by the Spaniards. What does Argentina have to do with them? We took the Kuril Islands in fair battle and do not give it back. Britons are piled up once more to the Argentines once, so the argi are warriors, more dancing and balabol.

[Megatron]

I ask you not to kick much, but how would I carry out an operation on the site of Argentina.

1. The islands are captured by a massive landing force.
2. A layered defense is being built, assault forces bite into the ground, if possible tanks are buried and masked in dangerous places, along the tower itself to counter ships and landings, all airborne dangerous directions are densely mined.
3. Trying not to engage in open air-sea battles in order to prevent the enemy from taking advantage of modern high-precision weapons.
4. Keep the fleet and aircraft close to the islands and the coast, from where they can be supported by ground forces.
5. Try to stretch the enemy’s communications, as it’s much harder to bring equipment through half the world than those 400km.
6. Forcing the British to a large-scale landing operation, while trying to inflict unacceptable losses in manpower on them. Since a one-time loss of already 300-500 troops, as well as their significant capture, will raise a powerful protest wave in the country, with all the consequences.

[Pomeranian]

Quote: Megatron

Separated defense is being built

And how do you imagine this in the rocks covered with moss and peat bogs? There, even in contrast to the Kola Arctic, there is no forest-tundra, you can’t hide a tank in the bushes.
And the people of Falkland are openly hostile to Argentina.
If anything, I was at Stanley Port in 1992.

[berdnik]

Quote: revnagan

The equipment is in the hands of a savage-scrap metal ... You need to be able to handle weapons at a professional level, otherwise the situation with the "seven-day" war in the Middle East will repeat itself. And of course, Russian equipment will be to blame.

Exactly!

[Achtaba1970]

Quote: Megatron

4. Keep the fleet and aircraft close to the islands and the coast, from where they can be supported by ground forces.

It seems that the fleet and aviation support the "ground troops".