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Great-grandfather blaster from the USSR

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Great-grandfather blaster from the USSR



During the Cold War, political tensions were high and sometimes reached marasmic limits. And the idea of ​​“Soviet cosmonaut” against “American cosmonaut” seemed quite real. Therefore, it was necessary to arm our compatriots not only in case of landing in remote corners of our planet (for this, our cosmonaut had - SONAZ (small weapon wearable emergency stock) TP-82, and the American astronaut has the knife "Astro 17") but also in case of direct confrontation.

Let's see what kind of weapon the Soviet cosmonaut would have to wield according to the plan of the scientists of that time ...



The first weapon that went into space was the Makarov pistol, which had entered the cosmonaut’s emergency supply since Yuri Gagarin’s flight. Since 1982, it has been replaced by a specially designed for survival and self-defense in an emergency landing SONAZ - “small arms of a portable emergency reserve”, also known under the marking TP-82, astronaut's three-barreled pistol.

The Americans approached the problem more easily and decided to equip their astronauts with classic survival knives, called Astro 17, made in the style of the legendary Bowie knife.


sold recently for 7600 dollars, by the way

The first attempts to create a weapon, of which the laser beam was a striking factor, were made back in the 1970s, both in the USA and in the USSR. However, this task was difficult to implement with regard to the NTP of that time. During development in the USSR, it was originally decided that this weapon would not be lethal. Its main purpose was self-defense and disabling electronic and optical systems of the enemy.

In 1984, in the framework of the Almaz program, the Salyut, from the satellite inspectors and interceptors of the potential adversary in the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), was designed -this fantastic weapon is a fiber laser gun.

The research team was headed by the Head of the Department, Honored Scientist and Technician of the RSFSR, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Major General Viktor Samsonovich Sulakvelidze. Boris Nikolaevich Duvanov, a doctor of technical sciences, professor, was engaged in theoretical and experimental research on the damaging effect of a laser pistol. Researcher A.V. worked on the drawings. Simonov, the researcher L.I. Avakyants and associate V.V. Gore

Designers set as their goal the development of compact weapons for disabling enemy optical systems.


Prototypes of laser weapons. From left to right: Single-shot laser gun, Laser revolver, Laser gun.

At the first stage of development, the authors of the future invention established that for this purpose a relatively small radiation energy is enough - within 1 - 10 J. (allowing, by the way, to blind the enemy).

As a source of optical pumping, pyrotechnic flash lamps were used, which have sufficient energy and at the same time are very compact.

The scheme of work was simple and reliable: the pyrotechnic flash lamp follows the construction of a conventional cartridge of the caliber 10 mm, placed by the gate from the store into the chamber, which is a lighting camera. Through an electric piezo pulse in the cartridge ignites a mixture of zirconium foil and metal salts. As a result, there is a flash with a temperature of almost 5000 ° C, this energy is absorbed by the optical elements of the gun behind the lighting chamber, and converted into a pulse. Weapon 8-mi charger is not automatic - reloading is done manually. The striking ability of the released beam is up to 20 meters. A laser revolver was also developed, which, unlike a pistol, has the ability to fire with a self-coder, but the 6 was charged.

The main elements of the laser gun, like any laser, are the active medium, pump source and optical resonator.

As a medium, designers first chose a crystal of yttrium-aluminum garnet, generating a beam in the infrared range at a relatively low pump power. The mirrors sprayed on its ends served as a resonator. For optical pumping, a compact gas-discharge flash lamp was used. Since even the most compact power source weighed 3 - 5 kg, it had to be placed separately from the gun.


A single-shot prototype of a laser weapon built into the body of a lighter gun.

At the second stage, it was decided to replace the active medium with fiber-optic elements - in them, as in a garnet crystal, the radiation was initiated by neodymium ions. Due to the fact that the diameter of such a “thread” was approximately 30 μm, and the surface of the harness assembled from its segments (from 300 to 1000) was large, the lasing threshold (the lowest pump energy) decreased, and the resonators became unnecessary.

The case remained for a compact source of optical pumping. As it was decided to use disposable pyrotechnic flash lamps.

Each ten-millimeter cylinder housed a pyrotechnic mixture - zirconium foil, oxygen and metal salts and a combustible paste of tungsten-rhenium filament to ignite it.

Burned by an electric spark from an external source, such a lamp burns out in 5-10 milliseconds at a temperature of the order of 5000 degrees in Kelvin. Thanks to the use of zirconium foil, the specific light energy of the pyrotechnic lamp is three times higher than that of ordinary samples that use magnesium. Added to the mixture of metal salts "customize" the radiation of the lamp to the absorption spectrum of the active element. Pyrotechnic mixture is non-toxic and not prone to spontaneous detonation.



Eight flash lamps are located in the store, similar to a fire pistol ammunition. After each “shot”, the spent lamp is ejected, like a cartridge case, and the next ammunition is fed into the lighting chamber. The source of energy for electric ignition is the “Krona” type battery fixed in a special guide under the barrel.

The fiber-optic active element absorbs radiation from a burning lamp, which causes a laser pulse in it, directed through the barrel of the gun to the target.
The beam fired from the barrel of the weapon retains its burning and blinding effect at a distance of up to 20 meters.

On the basis of a laser pistol with a pyrotechnic flashlight, a laser revolver with a drum magazine with a capacity of 6 cartridges and a single-shot ladies' laser pistol was designed.

The developers claimed the possibility of modifying a pistol from a military weapon into a medical instrument (apparently, this required the replacement of an optical pumping source).

All experimental work was done manually. At the end of research at one of the enterprises, serial production of lamps was already under way, but the conversion of the defense industry put an end to the development of the project. The production line was curtailed, however, the work on inertia still continued, but until the end of the produced lamps.

At present, a laser pistol with a pyrotechnic flashlight is recognized as a monument of science and technology of the 1 category and is on display at the Museum of the Peter the Great Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy.



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  1. brelok
    brelok 7 January 2016 07: 48 New
    22
    No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 7 January 2016 08: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: brelok
      No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?

      Not that word, SUPER. Unexpectedly. Little is known about Sulakvelidze’s works. Now he has specially run over the Internet.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 7 January 2016 10: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: Amurets
        Unexpectedly

        Yes, in general, how long ago in the press they still talked about this laser gun
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 9 January 2016 15: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        Not that word, SUPER. Unexpectedly. Little is known about Sulakvelidze’s works. Now he has specially run over the Internet.

        Greetings, Nikolay! Frankly speaking, such moments spoil the favorable impression from the publication:
        Ignition occurs in the cartridge by means of an electric piezo pulse mixtures of zirconium foil and metal salts.
        or
        Each ten-millimeter cylinder housed a pyrotechnic mixture - zirconium foil, oxygen and metal salts
        negative
    2. Saburov
      Saburov 7 January 2016 21: 33 New
      +4
      Yes, this bike about this gun goes for years 30. In fact, this is not exactly a blaster pistol, but a cosmonaut’s self-defense weapon for a BLINDING AND BURNING action on an adversary in a spaceship, so as not to damage the skin or devices! Of course, this blaster didn’t burn anyone and nothing (nobody canceled the fundamental laws of physics). This is a non-lethal weapon.
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 January 2016 23: 17 New
      +1
      Bins remained, but that homeland is gone
    4. sherp2015
      sherp2015 8 January 2016 17: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: brelok
      No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?


      I'm afraid that most of it was sold to the west by corrupt privatizers
    5. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 8 January 2016 22: 55 New
      +5
      And how much more was stolen because our patents were not recognized in the world?
      And how many projects were simply banned by the bureaucrats in the patent office and in the government?
    6. RDX
      RDX 9 January 2016 03: 17 New
      0
      so the readers already launched a similar technology into the series, a whole machine)))) the Americans were even indignant about this, just a month ago, such infa slipped)))
    7. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 9 January 2016 16: 31 New
      0
      That's where the idea of ​​star wars came from. And the film then in the Cold War began to shoot.
    8. Sorokin
      Sorokin 9 January 2016 16: 35 New
      0
      Oh a lot of things. How much was stored at the factories at the design bureaus. It is necessary to search.
  2. bionik
    bionik 7 January 2016 08: 13 New
    21
    TP-82 is a hunting non-automatic three-barreled pistol that is part of the SONAZ complex (small arms of a portable emergency stock), which the Russian cosmonauts are arming to protect against dangerous animals and criminal elements, to hunt for food and to give visual signals for visual observation in the event of landing or landing in uninhabited terrain. It has two upper horizontal smooth trunks of the 32nd hunting caliber and a 5,45 mm rifled barrel located under them. SONAZ ammunition includes specially designed ammunition of 5,45 mm caliber SP - P (bullet), 32nd caliber SP - D (shot No. 3) and 32nd caliber SP - S (signal).
    1. bionik
      bionik 7 January 2016 08: 17 New
      +7
      TP-82 has a removable butt, consisting of a machete and a hard case with a back plate worn on the blade for emphasis on the shoulder.
      1. R-140
        R-140 7 January 2016 15: 43 New
        +2
        A kind of sawn-off shotgun.
  3. papa-billy
    papa-billy 7 January 2016 09: 42 New
    +1
    Funny toys)))
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 January 2016 10: 52 New
    +4
    I didn’t know! Pyrotechnic lamp - flash and fiber laser! Now these fiber lasers are the latest fashion laser. And, by the way, they have a Russian priority. The amazing ability of such a “pistol” remained a mystery, but the approach ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 7 January 2016 11: 55 New
      +9
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I didn’t know! Pyrotechnic lamp - flash and fiber laser! Now these fiber lasers are the latest fashion laser. And, by the way, they have a Russian priority. The amazing ability of such a “pistol” remained a mystery, but the approach ...

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      The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots. It was recently told that its development was carried out on the basis of the Soviet development of the then-advanced core. And the name "pentium" goes back not only to the banal "penta (5)", but to the name of the scientist Pentyukov. And by the way, why is this blaster kept in a museum? Is it not possible to create commercial copies for sale, for games and other things? At least an external layout. We have our own "Star Wars", but we won’t let them go into commerce. Rather, I’ll continue about the processor, our scientists have now learned to give a commercial look to their products, it turns out we have the most advanced lasers in the world, a number of high-tech products that even Switzerland and Japan buy from us. And the development costs are much less, there are no all kinds of “effective managers” like Rusnano. Recently, Zhores Alferov told. Based on Soviet developments, which are whole deposits, thousands of technologies can be made. Recently developed some modern single crystal for ultrafast processors. And someone who is foolish calls us and fastens all kinds of parasites ...
      1. Aleks.Antonov
        Aleks.Antonov 7 January 2016 12: 10 New
        13
        The scientist’s surname is actually Pentkovsky, and not "pentiuhov" He really participated in the development of Elbrus-1, and then, after 15 years, in the development of the Pentium. And a number of ideas from Elbrus migrated to Stump. This is an old story. In other matters, like this "blaster". The silence about the second such development is surprising. Although it has long been no secret.
        1. Altona
          Altona 7 January 2016 14: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Aleks.Antonov
          The scientist’s surname is actually Pentkovsky, and not "pentiuhov".

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          Exactly, but I usually write from memory, so the association did not work. Wikipedia is stubbornly silent on this subject, throwing out American surnames. Nevertheless, I recalled that we are not basting cabbage soup. And the "pentium" grows from the "Elbrus", and not vice versa ..
          1. thinker
            thinker 7 January 2016 15: 50 New
            +5
            Well, why? Here from Wikipedia -
            Vladimir Mstislavovich Pentkovsky (March 18, 1946, Moscow - December 24, 2012, Folsom) - an outstanding Russian-American scientist, graduate of the Faculty of FRTK MIPT, Doctor of Technical Sciences, laureate of the State Prize. He is one of the developers of Soviet supercomputers Elbrus and high-level programming language El-76. In the early 1990s, he emigrated to the United States, where since 1993 he worked at Intel.
            1. Altona
              Altona 7 January 2016 20: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: thinker
              Well, why? Here from Wikipedia -

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              At Pentium, get Pentium, there are no references ... You made a targeted request by last name ...
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 7 January 2016 18: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Altona
        The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots. It was recently told that its development was carried out on the basis of the Soviet development of the then-advanced core.

        If the link still works, then here is an interesting article about domestic microelectronics http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2013/07/utinaya-ohota-ili-o-prichastnosti-amerik
        ancev-k-sovetskoj mikroelektronike.html # more. And this is about Glushkov, the inventor of the Russian Internet http://versia.ru/articles/2013/aug/21/startsev_pugali_roboty.A about
        Quote: Altona
        there are no "managers" of any kind such as Rusnano.
        I won’t argue that the information on Rusnano is controversial, often negative, but I recently found out that Rusnano has built a plant in the Krasnodar Territory that already covers more than 30% of the global demand for sapphire glass. In general, the situation with Rusnano resembles the situation with The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also shouted: they sold, plundered, drank everything and then suddenly such buns for the “partners” flew away that they became thoughtful and scratched their turnips at a loss. It seems to me that another year or two they will show the result of the Rusnano development, and this will be worse than the pistol from the article. It's just that time isn’t When the head of state is a scout, you can expect anything.
        1. Altona
          Altona 7 January 2016 23: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Captain45
          that Rusnano has built a plant in the Krasnodar Territory that already covers more than 30% of the global demand for sapphire crystal.

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          The plant may even be Rusnano, and ultra-strong glass for modern tablets and watches and devices for cutting it were invented at our Academy of Sciences, these features were shown to the late Steve Jobs. Their American glass withstood 8-12 kg impact, ours is about 120-160 ... Feel the difference what is called ... Gas station, say?
      3. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 7 January 2016 21: 20 New
        +1
        for games it’s unlikely, for such a .. weapon .. rare earth materials were used, for pieces in space they still won’t look at the price, but for toys on earth it’s an expensive pleasure, and this gun had not only blinding but also burning effect, you can , it seems to me to damage my eyes. And for self-defense in exchange for rubber arrows or gas. pist too expensive
      4. anew
        anew 8 January 2016 16: 51 New
        -5
        Quote: Altona
        The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots.

        Yes, that there is a Pentium. The usual round wheel was invented at the Research Institute of "Round Wheels" under the supervision of Academician Wil (VIL, the name is in honor of Lenin) Baranov-Polyansky. Since then it’s what they’ve called it, wheel (wheel).
        But how before that everyone was tormented! They could not defeat the shaking. Usually in the world used a square wheel. Less commonly, cheap triangular.
        In the USSR, at first the wheels made more comfortable, five-pointed. Jews in Odessa clandestinely "for their" six-pointed. Georgian workshops made expensive, but more comfortable eight-pointed ones.
        And only academician Baranov-Polyansky thought of a round one. Not immediately, through the oval, gradually still came to a round. But stole. Traditionally stolen. Always like this.
    2. avt
      avt 7 January 2016 17: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The amazing ability of such a “pistol” remained a mystery,

      You can feel the solution yourself - blindfold and walk around the apartment a day as usual.
      Quote: Altona
      ? Is it not possible to create commercial copies for sale, for games and other things?

      wassat You have few jokes with laser pointers ????
      Quote: Altona
      We have our own "Star Wars", but we won’t let them go into commerce.

      If the "Soviet Star Wars" run, then firstly - for this, all business women will have to part with all the acquired, "honest work", and the rest of the belts should be tightened, and secondly ... to the rest of the world, except ,, Russian world ", the belt will tighten already tight and tight on the neck, so it will be difficult to breathe, and there is nothing.
      1. Altona
        Altona 7 January 2016 20: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        If the "Soviet Star Wars" run, then firstly - for this, all business women will have to part with all the acquired, "honest work", and the rest of the belts should be tightened, and secondly ... to the rest of the world, except ,, Russian world ", the belt will tighten already tight and tight on the neck, so it will be difficult to breathe, and there is nothing.

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        I am not talking about beam weapons, nor about deploying beam cannons with tungsten darts in outer space. And about how to translate this into fantastic cinema, in toys and other things, in the entertainment industry at least. As for the laser pistol, it can also be done not as a laser pointer, but as a computer shooter. This is what I had in mind. If you draw a scenario of "Star Wars" modeled on the SDI of the United States and the Soviet Union’s response of the 1980s, you can enjoy such games and films in comparison with which the Star Wars saga will die forever, and computer games with American scripts.
        1. avt
          avt 7 January 2016 23: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Altona
          e. And about how to translate it into fantastic cinema, in toys and other things, in the entertainment industry at least.

          In my time there was a bike, and maybe a come true, but now for sure - bylina. The USs used to write in films - ,, this technique is in the arsenal of the USA Army. "Somehow they shot a game film about a helicopter with a helmet mounted sight, where the pilot doesn’t look where the gun shoots. Blue Thunder" seems to be in the credits made about which he wrote. Well, the Soviet governors called the designers and tell them -, "We lag behind the probable enemy!" To them in response - ,, So it's fantastic! " The governors turned red from anger - ,, Very smart !? Hold us for fools !!! It’s written in the credits - “It’s in the arsenal of the USA army,“ go and do it, but don’t spare any money to defend the Homeland! Not that !! ” Well, in short, as Mikoyan once said - it will be necessary for the Motherland - we will pour French brandy into the MiG-25. The tale is soon telling, and the matter was done on time, or on time, according to the plans of the Central Committee, but when MiG-29 arrived in Farnborough and the bourgeois saw sights at helmets of Soviet pilots ....... I have more inscriptions in bourgeois films, “All this equipment is in the arsenal of the US Army and Navy,” I no longer saw. laughing
          1. Altona
            Altona 7 January 2016 23: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            but when MiG-29 arrived in Farnborough and the bourgeois saw sights on the helmets of Soviet pilots ....

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            I read about it in the "Young Technique", about the sight on the glasses of the helmets of pilots. Then it was akin to the current helmet of virtual reality. hi
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 8 January 2016 15: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            ,, blue thunder "seems

            Dear, you’re just a little confused about the dates .... “Thunder” is 82 years old, but “Slit” is TK for development in 1978. Even our younger Jewish brothers did not develop such a complex until 1986. So you should not lower some achievements of Soviet engineers below the gutter.
            Quote: Altona
            I read about it in the "Young Technique", about the sight on the glasses of the helmets of pilots. Then it was akin to the current helmet of virtual reality.

            Do not confuse the visual indicator and target designation system. Absolutely different things.
            1. Altona
              Altona 8 January 2016 15: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Timeout
              Do not confuse the visual indicator and target designation system. Absolutely different things.

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              It was written there that aiming at the target is carried out almost by turning the head. I myself am not a pilot and I don’t know the capabilities of helmets. even if some kind of data in the form of badges or icons are placed on the glass of the helmet, then for the 80s it’s still fantastic.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 8 January 2016 16: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Altona
                It was written there that aiming at the target is carried out almost by turning the head.

                True, the guidance was carried out by turning the head. A special infrared emitter is installed on the helmet, according to the position of which the coordinates of the target were determined, with sensors located on the glazing of the cab lantern. Well, about the output of information on the helmet visor, it was also worked out. But such an effect as accommodation and extreme weight buried everything in the bud.
  5. Gunther
    Gunther 7 January 2016 11: 07 New
    +1
    During the cold war, political tensions
    was great and sometimes reached senile
    limits. And the idea of ​​"Soviet cosmonaut" against
    The "American astronaut" seemed quite real.

    It is a likely situation, I hope work in this direction is continued.
    Of the three models, the most optimal laser revolver is the most suitable for bulky gloves, although the trigger stroke is small in my opinion.
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 7 January 2016 11: 25 New
      0
      The Americans with personal land weapons of the astronauts were even worse. they proposed a twin 410 / 5,6 of an extremely simple design. True, instead of the trigger there was a key to shoot with gloves. The astronauts did not fit, but was popular with the Indians of the northern states.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 7 January 2016 20: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: alex-cn
        but enjoyed popularity among the Indians of the northern states.

        Oh how! this twin under the name M6 seemed to be a regular NAZ item in the US Air Force until the 80s, moreover, it was developed by Ithaca and put into service already in 1952. Initially, under the caliber .22hornet / 410 and then under .223 / 410, well, before it, the U.S. Air Force had an M-4 bolt under 22 hornets, during WWII (from 1943) the crews of American bombers who fought in the Pacific Ocean received folding doubles Marble Game Getter externally resembling a long revolver in a special cabaret. Currently, the US Air Force supplies the folding rifles AR-7, all metal parts of which, after disassembly, are removed into a plastic butt. And besides this, in the states there is a large number of small arms adapted specifically for use as the last chance weapon for a pilot shot down in the area of ​​the database, such a fact - the Air Force was the first to be adopted by the Air Force and almost immediately on the basis of the M-15 the survival of the downed pilots in Vietnam, the Colt company developed the CAR-16 survival rifle and by the way the legs of modern telescopic stocks for the M15 just grow from this “survival rifle”. The pistols included in the NAZ of American pilots are usually equipped with silencers - it was somehow possible to shoot from such a smith-wesson made on the basis of a sports pistol of the 4 model, it is not known which ways got into our bandits and then, quite logically, and migrated to us - a very nice machine and a silencer, although simple but effective.
        Well, unfortunately, we have never bothered with such developments - at best, the AKS74U without a flame arrester and also a regular PM or TT. Well, the TP-82 was created with an eye on the American M-6 only when the latter was already withdrawn from service in the United States, these are such buns with the Indians.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 7 January 2016 23: 21 New
          +2
          gross kaput

          In the United States, everyone can do weapons in their garage who are not too lazy to do this. And there is free time.

          Driving the top three CNC machines is available to many with average incomes.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 8 January 2016 01: 55 New
            0
            Why are you doing this? speech about samples not made
            Quote: gladcu2
            in your garage everyone is not too lazy to do this
            and about those who were in service with or supplying the US Air Force and about our response to Chamberlain TP-82.
        2. alex-cn
          alex-cn 8 January 2016 06: 33 New
          0
          I can’t deny it, but when the first comparisons were made, it was this clapperboard that was weaker and larger than ours. With arms was removed in the 70 years. And as for the popularity among the Indians, I can only say that a civilian model called Sprigfield M6 scout with a barrel extended to 40 cm and chambered for 22 WMR was produced before 2004.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 8 January 2016 12: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: alex-cn
            which is weaker and larger than ours

            in disassembled form (namely, the way the M-6 fits into the container), the dimensions will be comparable to the TP-82 with its machete and bandoleer, the power in this case is also a moot point - 5,45 from a 300 mm barrel will equal .22 Hornet with M6 trunk only here under Hornet at that time there was a huge number of specialized hunting bullets. I will not say anything about shot cartridges - from .32 that from .410 only an extremely radical optimist can do something larger than a sparrow, and a stub of 300 mm in TP-82 only adds piquancy to such a hunt - well, both cartridges are equal in terms of fractions .
            In general, the Americans quite justifiably decided that this was pampering - you won’t take a larger mouse than a mouse, you can take something bigger than a rifled dog, therefore they adopted the self-loading small fry AR-7 which is much more suitable for hunting a small one game and understands much more "interesting." And this was when we continued to reinvent the wheel - i.e. give out TK, design and test TP-82 in general, step on the same rake along which a likely friend has already walked.
            1. alex-cn
              alex-cn 8 January 2016 13: 03 New
              +1
              It is interesting that when the first information about TP appeared in the mid-80s, the conversation was not about 5,45 cartridge, but about 5,6x39. And it was a spent cartridge for hunting the middle beast, with 3 or 4 types of bullets, including half-shells. The cartridge provided a reliable defeat of the middle beast at ranges of about 100 meters. And as for shooting at sparrows, from 32 (12,5 mm) caliber, the normal weight of the gun will work for small game up to 30 meters, it was checked when I tried a cracker bought by a friend for my son. And a specially made bullet for smooth, 50-60 meters 28 ( 14 mm) securely lays the middle moose. Itself fell, and a lot of other evidence. I also killed my first capercaillie from 32, by about 20 meters. For many years I shot from under a dog from TOZ-34-28, to 40 meters - very well. True, these are not cutoffs, of course, but in small calibers the length of the barrel affects the battle less.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 8 January 2016 14: 17 New
                +1
                Alex can be hunted from a slingshot, but it’s not about hunting for fun but about survival, when in simple terms there’s nothing to eat, and pilots, astronauts and other brethren are far from all hunters with experience, so this approach is not applicable here , so the Americans quite sensibly reasoned that the self-loading small thing would give a much better chance of killing any animal than a spark from a smooth-bore small pipe and a rifled single-shot barrel not under the most effective cartridge.
                1. alex-cn
                  alex-cn 8 January 2016 15: 18 New
                  +1
                  to learn to shoot at a sedentary shotgun, a one-off thing to learn, to shoot from a rifled one they learn to shoot all the military, and they would have to use such weapons only in very remote places where the game is not frightened. if it's cold, you can believe or check. so maybe both options had some right to life.
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 7 January 2016 12: 08 New
      +5
      TP 82 is a model that fully complies with the customer’s specifications. Including precisely because of the TZ were selected corresponding cartridges.
      Including layout, including the inconvenient nemeschete-nepriklad.
      But they wanted to get what they did.
      The customer was satisfied.
      As far as I knew it, when at the end of 80-x communicated with representatives of both those and others.
      Sincerely ...
      1. Gunther
        Gunther 7 January 2016 12: 28 New
        +3
        Well, the customer was very pleased when one Achtung gave birth to a uniform for our army.
        Here, in my opinion, the main thing is that the end user is satisfied.
        Sincerely ...
      2. Locksmith
        Locksmith 7 January 2016 12: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Lekov L
        TP 82 - the model is fully consistent with the technical specifications of the customer

        They wrote about a cartridge for it, initially the 5.45 cartridge was uncomfortable with its small stopping ability, after modernization, it lightly stopped the medium-sized deer and could cause a fatal outcome to the bear wink
  6. gross kaput
    gross kaput 7 January 2016 13: 25 New
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    could have killed the bear

    And also to shoot down enemy satellites and punch abrams in the forehead, in fact the only difference between the 5,45 SP and 7H6 is the lack of a steel core, it has a completely lead one.
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      5,45 SP from 7H6

      Hello namesake, with the coming. 5,45 SP is a complete copy of a bullet from 5,6x39. The same come to life.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 8 January 2016 17: 54 New
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        Hi, I also disagree with you over the past holidays about the bullet from 5,6, as well as with Monetchekov’s statement that the 5,45 CH-P has a steel core and an expansive cavity, there is such a picture from the official TP-82 pussy where it is clearly seen that the bullet is much longer than the 5,6X39 bullet and corresponds to the shape of the 5,45 7n6 pool but has a solid lead core, unlike the last. Well, according to 5,6x39, as far as I remember, initially the TP-82 was developed with reference to this cartridge, but in the end it was decided to use 5,45, so maybe information about the 5,6 bullet is an echo of the original designs.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 8 January 2016 18: 34 New
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          yes, by the way, here's a photo comparison of 5,45x39 and 5,6X39
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            Quote: gross kaput
            Well, according to 5,6x39, as far as I remember, initially the TP-82 was developed with reference to this cartridge, but in the end it was decided to use 5,45, so maybe information about the 5,6 bullet is an echo of the original designs.

            Here I hurried a little with conclusions ... I relied on the history of development. Thanks for the tip!
            Quote: gross kaput
            yes, by the way, here's a photo comparison of 5,45x39 and 5,6X39

            He rummaged and found this:
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              gross kaput 9 January 2016 13: 31 New
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              Yeah, it means you and I both sat in a puddle - all the same, the base is not 7n6 only with lead but a half-shell.
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                Yeah, it means you and I both sat in a puddle

                Yeah, the namesake, not all of the carnival cat ... So that we can be wrong! laughing
  7. sergei44442222
    sergei44442222 7 January 2016 15: 11 New
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    such a pretty penny answer
  8. kvs207
    kvs207 7 January 2016 15: 36 New
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    Quote: Gunter
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.

    By the way, this "machete" was put into civilian circulation. I had this and I agree that it is not very convenient, although it may have been used for other purposes)))
    My classmate, studied at the beginning. 80s in LVACCU and talked about a laser gun. I must say that then it seemed fantastic, something incredible.
  9. Jager
    Jager 7 January 2016 16: 28 New
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    Revolver notably amused with its design soldier

    As always, the most interesting developments were profaned and forgotten ...
  10. Old26
    Old26 7 January 2016 18: 07 New
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    Quote: Gunter
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.

    At Vepre-2, it should already have been a framework. As well as replacing the machete on the "Taigu-2" and a two-blade knife on the "Werewolf". Alas, the collapse of the 90s did not allow this replacement. In principle, those who used these machetes in preparation for survival, according to those who supervised these trainings, did not notice much difference at work. Although purely from an aesthetic point of view, this "triangular" structure looked, as it were, softer to say as something unfinished. Yes, and a two-blade knife was also what is called "Not Ice." It was a problem to open it even with ordinary gloves, especially in a situation where the temperature is much lower than zero. The "recess" on the blade was such that it was possible to pry off only with a fingernail. But alas, as there was no money for new cartridges, so
    there was no money for either the taiga or the werewolf

    Quote: kvs207
    By the way, this "machete" was put into civilian circulation. I had this and I agree that it is not very convenient, although it may have been used for other purposes)))

    I can’t say anything about the old machete, I don’t know, but Taiga-2 was on sale at least 5 years ago. A “Werewolf" was on sale, but a short time in the mid 90's
  11. Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 7 January 2016 21: 14 New
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    I imagine that it would be to replace this Makarov unit in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.))) The series "Streets of Broken Lights" would become funnier at least.
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    serge siberian 8 January 2016 15: 20 New
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    where the pilot does not look, the gun shoots there. ,, blue thunder "seems

    this film was released in the 86th year, I watched it in those days (in a soldier’s club), and our “shark” in Afghanistan was already flying.
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      this film was released in the 86th year

      Somewhere 82-83 went downhill, but not the point. In the year 83, MIGs were already adopted.
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      gross kaput 8 January 2016 22: 12 New
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      , and our "shark" in Afghanistan has already flown.

      KA-50 has never been in Afghanistan, the first combat use dates back to the beginning of 2001 and already to Chechnya where they operated from the North together with KA-29 target designation.
  13. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 8 January 2016 22: 56 New
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    A bunch of engineering! good
  14. aba
    aba 9 January 2016 10: 19 New
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    Interesting article! Plus!
  15. DIMbor
    DIMbor 9 January 2016 22: 57 New
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    I think that in connection with the general rise of the defense industry, it is more likely that work on these weapons has resumed. And now it will be a weapon of lethal action.
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    Old26 10 January 2016 11: 39 New
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    I think that in connection with the general rise of the defense industry, it is more likely that work on these weapons has resumed. And now it will be a weapon of lethal action.

    In order for this to be a lethal weapon, a very powerful and compact source of energy is needed. He is not yet, and in the near future is not visible. To have such a weapon in order to blind the enemy is also not an option, since protective equipment can be massively created faster and cheaper.

    In fact, this development - development at the department level, has not received development (especially if you recall the first "presentation" of this unit in the media)
    Now for space such a weapon is not relevant. There are no fights in space and are not visible for the coming decades.
    And the statement about blinding the enemy is debatable. 10 J in unprotected eye - this is understandable. And according to the astronaut, who also has a mirror filter on his helmet, which allows him to look at the Sun without harming his eyes, it is very doubtful.
    So let this "weapon" remain a museum exhibit