Great-grandfather blaster from the USSR

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Great-grandfather blaster from the USSR


During the Cold War, political tensions were high and sometimes reached marasmic limits. And the idea of ​​“Soviet cosmonaut” against “American cosmonaut” seemed quite real. Therefore, it was necessary to arm our compatriots not only in case of landing in remote corners of our planet (for this, our cosmonaut had - SONAZ (small weapon wearable emergency stock) TP-82, and the American astronaut has the knife "Astro 17") but also in case of direct confrontation.

Let's see what kind of weapon the Soviet cosmonaut would have to wield according to the plan of the scientists of that time ...



The first weapon that went into space was the Makarov pistol, which had entered the cosmonaut’s emergency supply since Yuri Gagarin’s flight. Since 1982, it has been replaced by a specially designed for survival and self-defense in an emergency landing SONAZ - “small arms of a portable emergency reserve”, also known under the marking TP-82, astronaut's three-barreled pistol.

The Americans approached the problem more easily and decided to equip their astronauts with classic survival knives, called Astro 17, made in the style of the legendary Bowie knife.


sold recently for 7600 dollars, by the way

The first attempts to create a weapon, of which the laser beam was a striking factor, were made back in the 1970s, both in the USA and in the USSR. However, this task was difficult to implement with regard to the NTP of that time. During development in the USSR, it was originally decided that this weapon would not be lethal. Its main purpose was self-defense and disabling electronic and optical systems of the enemy.

In 1984, in the framework of the Almaz program, the Salyut, from the satellite inspectors and interceptors of the potential adversary in the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), was designed -this fantastic weapon is a fiber laser gun.

The research team was headed by the Head of the Department, Honored Scientist and Technician of the RSFSR, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Major General Viktor Samsonovich Sulakvelidze. Boris Nikolaevich Duvanov, a doctor of technical sciences, professor, was engaged in theoretical and experimental research on the damaging effect of a laser pistol. Researcher A.V. worked on the drawings. Simonov, the researcher L.I. Avakyants and associate V.V. Gore

Designers set as their goal the development of compact weapons for disabling enemy optical systems.


Prototypes of laser weapons. From left to right: Single-shot laser gun, Laser revolver, Laser gun.

At the first stage of development, the authors of the future invention established that for this purpose a relatively small radiation energy is enough - within 1 - 10 J. (allowing, by the way, to blind the enemy).

As a source of optical pumping, pyrotechnic flash lamps were used, which have sufficient energy and at the same time are very compact.

The scheme of work was simple and reliable: the pyrotechnic flash lamp follows the construction of a conventional cartridge of the caliber 10 mm, placed by the gate from the store into the chamber, which is a lighting camera. Through an electric piezo pulse in the cartridge ignites a mixture of zirconium foil and metal salts. As a result, there is a flash with a temperature of almost 5000 ° C, this energy is absorbed by the optical elements of the gun behind the lighting chamber, and converted into a pulse. Weapon 8-mi charger is not automatic - reloading is done manually. The striking ability of the released beam is up to 20 meters. A laser revolver was also developed, which, unlike a pistol, has the ability to fire with a self-coder, but the 6 was charged.

The main elements of the laser gun, like any laser, are the active medium, pump source and optical resonator.

As a medium, designers first chose a crystal of yttrium-aluminum garnet, generating a beam in the infrared range at a relatively low pump power. The mirrors sprayed on its ends served as a resonator. For optical pumping, a compact gas-discharge flash lamp was used. Since even the most compact power source weighed 3 - 5 kg, it had to be placed separately from the gun.


A single-shot prototype of a laser weapon built into the body of a lighter gun.

At the second stage, it was decided to replace the active medium with fiber-optic elements - in them, as in a garnet crystal, the radiation was initiated by neodymium ions. Due to the fact that the diameter of such a “thread” was approximately 30 μm, and the surface of the harness assembled from its segments (from 300 to 1000) was large, the lasing threshold (the lowest pump energy) decreased, and the resonators became unnecessary.

The case remained for a compact source of optical pumping. As it was decided to use disposable pyrotechnic flash lamps.

Each ten-millimeter cylinder housed a pyrotechnic mixture - zirconium foil, oxygen and metal salts and a combustible paste of tungsten-rhenium filament to ignite it.

Burned by an electric spark from an external source, such a lamp burns out in 5-10 milliseconds at a temperature of the order of 5000 degrees in Kelvin. Thanks to the use of zirconium foil, the specific light energy of the pyrotechnic lamp is three times higher than that of ordinary samples that use magnesium. Added to the mixture of metal salts "customize" the radiation of the lamp to the absorption spectrum of the active element. Pyrotechnic mixture is non-toxic and not prone to spontaneous detonation.



Eight flash lamps are located in the store, similar to a fire pistol ammunition. After each “shot”, the spent lamp is ejected, like a cartridge case, and the next ammunition is fed into the lighting chamber. The source of energy for electric ignition is the “Krona” type battery fixed in a special guide under the barrel.

The fiber-optic active element absorbs radiation from a burning lamp, which causes a laser pulse in it, directed through the barrel of the gun to the target.
The beam fired from the barrel of the weapon retains its burning and blinding effect at a distance of up to 20 meters.

On the basis of a laser pistol with a pyrotechnic flashlight, a laser revolver with a drum magazine with a capacity of 6 cartridges and a single-shot ladies' laser pistol was designed.

The developers claimed the possibility of modifying a pistol from a military weapon into a medical instrument (apparently, this required the replacement of an optical pumping source).

All experimental work was done manually. At the end of research at one of the enterprises, serial production of lamps was already under way, but the conversion of the defense industry put an end to the development of the project. The production line was curtailed, however, the work on inertia still continued, but until the end of the produced lamps.

At present, a laser pistol with a pyrotechnic flashlight is recognized as a monument of science and technology of the 1 category and is on display at the Museum of the Peter the Great Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy.



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  1. +22
    7 January 2016 07: 48
    No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?
    1. +6
      7 January 2016 08: 21
      Quote: brelok
      No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?

      Not that word, SUPER. Unexpectedly. Little is known about Sulakvelidze’s works. Now he has specially run over the Internet.
      1. +7
        7 January 2016 10: 14
        Quote: Amurets
        Unexpectedly

        Yes, in general, how long ago in the press they still talked about this laser gun
      2. +2
        9 January 2016 15: 53
        Quote: Amurets
        Not that word, SUPER. Unexpectedly. Little is known about Sulakvelidze’s works. Now he has specially run over the Internet.

        Greetings, Nikolay! Frankly speaking, such moments spoil the favorable impression from the publication:
        Ignition occurs in the cartridge by means of an electric piezo pulse mixtures of zirconium foil and metal salts.
        or
        Each ten-millimeter cylinder housed a pyrotechnic mixture - zirconium foil, oxygen and metal salts
        negative
    2. +4
      7 January 2016 21: 33
      Yes, this bike about this gun goes for years 30. In fact, this is not exactly a blaster pistol, but a cosmonaut’s self-defense weapon for a BLINDING AND BURNING action on an adversary in a spaceship, so as not to damage the skin or devices! Of course, this blaster didn’t burn anyone and nothing (nobody canceled the fundamental laws of physics). This is a non-lethal weapon.
    3. +1
      7 January 2016 23: 17
      Bins remained, but that homeland is gone
    4. +3
      8 January 2016 17: 14
      Quote: brelok
      No words! Super! And how many similar know-how are in the bins of our Great Motherland?


      I'm afraid that most of it was sold to the west by corrupt privatizers
    5. +5
      8 January 2016 22: 55
      And how much more was stolen because our patents were not recognized in the world?
      And how many projects were simply banned by the bureaucrats in the patent office and in the government?
    6. RDX
      0
      9 January 2016 03: 17
      so the readers already launched a similar technology into the series, a whole machine)))) the Americans were even indignant about this, just a month ago, such infa slipped)))
    7. 0
      9 January 2016 16: 31
      That's where the idea of ​​star wars came from. And the film then in the Cold War began to shoot.
    8. 0
      9 January 2016 16: 35
      Oh a lot of things. How much was stored at the factories at the design bureaus. It is necessary to search.
  2. +21
    7 January 2016 08: 13
    TP-82 is a hunting non-automatic three-barreled pistol that is part of the SONAZ complex (small arms of a portable emergency stock), which the Russian cosmonauts are arming to protect against dangerous animals and criminal elements, to hunt for food and to give visual signals for visual observation in the event of landing or landing in uninhabited terrain. It has two upper horizontal smooth trunks of the 32nd hunting caliber and a 5,45 mm rifled barrel located under them. SONAZ ammunition includes specially designed ammunition of 5,45 mm caliber SP - P (bullet), 32nd caliber SP - D (shot No. 3) and 32nd caliber SP - S (signal).
    1. +7
      7 January 2016 08: 17
      TP-82 has a removable butt, consisting of a machete and a hard case with a back plate worn on the blade for emphasis on the shoulder.
      1. +2
        7 January 2016 15: 43
        A kind of sawn-off shotgun.
  3. +1
    7 January 2016 09: 42
    Funny toys)))
  4. +4
    7 January 2016 10: 52
    I didn't know! Pyrotechnic lamp - flash and fiber laser! These fiber lasers are now the latest in laser fashion. And, by the way, they have Russian priority. The striking ability of such a "pistol" remained a mystery, but the approach ...
    1. +9
      7 January 2016 11: 55
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I didn't know! Pyrotechnic lamp - flash and fiber laser! These fiber lasers are now the latest in laser fashion. And, by the way, they have Russian priority. The striking ability of such a "pistol" remained a mystery, but the approach ...

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      The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots. It was said recently that its development was based on the Soviet development of the still advanced kernel at that time. And the name "pentium" goes back not only to the banal "penta (5)", but the name of the scientist Pentyukov. And by the way, why is this blaster kept in the museum? Isn't it possible to create commercial copies for sale, for games and other things? At least the external layout. We have our own "star wars", but we do not let them into commerce. Rather, I will continue with the processor, our scientists have now learned how to give a commercial look to their products, we turn out to have the most advanced lasers in the world, a number of high-tech products that even Switzerland and Japan buy from us. And the development costs are several times lower, there are no “effective managers” like Rusnano. Recently Zhores Alferov said that thousands of technologies can be made on the basis of Soviet developments, of which there are whole deposits. Recently, some kind of modern single crystal for ultrafast processors has been developed. And someone stupid calls us a gas station and uses all sorts of parasites ...
      1. +13
        7 January 2016 12: 10
        The surname of the scientist is actually Pentkovsky, not "Pentyukhov". He really participated in the development of Elbrus-1, and then, 15 years later, in the development of Pentium. And a number of ideas from "Elbrus" migrated to "Stump". This is an old story. In other matters, like this "blaster". The silence about the second such development is surprising. Although it has not been secret for a long time.
        1. +4
          7 January 2016 14: 45
          Quote: Aleks.Antonov
          The surname of the scientist is actually Pentkovsky, not "Pentyukhov".

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          Exactly, but I usually write from memory, so the association didn't work. Wikipedia is stubbornly silent on this score, throwing out American names. But nevertheless, I recalled that we do not slurp soup with bast shoes. And Pentium grows from Elbrus, and not vice versa.
          1. +5
            7 January 2016 15: 50
            Well, why? Here from Wikipedia -
            Vladimir Mstislavovich Pentkovsky (March 18, 1946, Moscow - December 24, 2012, Folsom) - an outstanding Russian-American scientist, graduate of the Faculty of FRTK MIPT, Doctor of Technical Sciences, laureate of the State Prize. He is one of the developers of Soviet supercomputers Elbrus and high-level programming language El-76. In the early 1990s, he emigrated to the United States, where since 1993 he worked at Intel.
            1. +3
              7 January 2016 20: 53
              Quote: thinker
              Well, why? Here from Wikipedia -

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              For "pentium" get "pentium", there is no mention ... You made a target request by name ...
      2. +3
        7 January 2016 18: 13
        Quote: Altona
        The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots. It was said recently that its development was based on the Soviet development of the advanced kernel at that time.

        If the link still works, then here is an interesting article about domestic microelectronics http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2013/07/utinaya-ohota-ili-o-prichastnosti-amerik
        ancev-k-sovetskoj mikroelektronike.html # more. And this is about Glushkov, the inventor of the Russian Internet http://versia.ru/articles/2013/aug/21/startsev_pugali_roboty.A about
        Quote: Altona
        there are no “effective managers” like Rusnano.
        I will not argue the information on Rusnano is controversial, often negative, but I recently learned that Rusnano has built a plant in the Krasnodar Territory that already covers more than 30% of the world's demand for sapphire glass. And in general, the situation with Rusnano resembles the situation with The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also shouted: they sold, plundered, drank everything and then suddenly such buns for the "partners" flew, that they became thoughtful and scratched their turnips in bewilderment. will be worse than the gun from the article. It's just that the time has not come yet. When the head of state is a scout, you can expect anything.
        1. +2
          7 January 2016 23: 31
          Quote: Captain45
          that Rusnano has built a plant in the Krasnodar Territory, which already covers more than 30% of the world's demand for sapphire glass.

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          The plant may be "Rusnano", and heavy-duty glass for modern tablets and clocks and devices for cutting it were invented in our Academy of Sciences, these possibilities were shown to the late Steve Jobs. Their American glass withstood 8-12 kg impact, ours is about 120-160 ... Feel the difference as they say ... Gas station, you say?
      3. +1
        7 January 2016 21: 20
        for games it’s unlikely, for such a .. weapon .. rare earth materials were used, for pieces in space they still won’t look at the price, but for toys on earth it’s an expensive pleasure, and this gun had not only blinding but also burning effect, you can , it seems to me to damage my eyes. And for self-defense in exchange for rubber arrows or gas. pist too expensive
      4. new
        -5
        8 January 2016 16: 51
        Quote: Altona
        The famous Pentium processor also has Soviet-Russian roots.

        Yes, that there is a Pentium. The usual round wheel was invented at the Research Institute "Round Wheels" under the leadership of Academician Vila (VIL, the name is in honor of Lenin) Baranov-Polyansky. Since then, they have called it that, Wheel.
        But how before that everyone was tormented! They could not defeat the shaking. Usually in the world used a square wheel. Less commonly, cheap triangular.
        In the USSR, at first, the wheels were made more comfortable, five-pointed. Jews in Odessa secretly made six-pointed ones for their own people. Georgian shop workers made expensive, but more comfortable eight-pointed ones.
        And only academician Baranov-Polyansky thought of a round one. Not immediately, through the oval, gradually still came to a round. But stole. Traditionally stolen. Always like this.
    2. avt
      +2
      7 January 2016 17: 28
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The striking ability of such a "pistol" remained a mystery,

      You can feel the solution yourself - blindfold and walk around the apartment a day as usual.
      Quote: Altona
      ? Is it not possible to create commercial copies for sale, for games and other things?

      wassat You have few jokes with laser pointers ????
      Quote: Altona
      We have our own "star wars", but we do not let them into commerce.

      If the SOVIET "star wars" are launched, then firstly - for this all businessmen will have to part with all the "honest labor" they have acquired, and the rest of them tighten their belts, well, and secondly ... the rest of the world, except "Russian world", we will tighten the belt around the neck specifically and tightly, so it will be difficult to breathe, and there is nothing.
      1. +1
        7 January 2016 20: 48
        Quote: avt
        If the SOVIET "star wars" are launched, then firstly - for this all businessmen will have to part with all the "honest labor" they have acquired, and the rest of them tighten their belts, well, and secondly ... the rest of the world, except "Russian world", we will tighten the belt around the neck specifically and tightly, so it will be difficult to breathe, and there is nothing.

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        I'm not talking about beam weapons, not about deploying tungsten-dart beam cannons in outer space. And about how to translate this into fantastic cinematography, toys and so on, in the entertainment industry at least. As for the laser pistol, it can be made not as a laser pointer, but as a computer shooter. This is what I meant. If we draw the scenario of "Star Wars" on the model of the US SDI and the response of the USSR in the 1980s, then such games and films can be lost in comparison with which the Star Wars saga will die forever, and computer games with American scenarios.
        1. avt
          +3
          7 January 2016 23: 20
          Quote: Altona
          e. And about how to translate it into fantastic cinema, in toys and other things, in the entertainment industry at least.

          In my time, the bike was, and maybe it was, but now it is definitely an epic. The US used to write in films - "This technique is in service with the USA army" This is how they shot a game film about a helicopter with a helmet-mounted sight, where the pilot does not look, the gun shoots there. "Blue Thunder" seems, well, a postscript in the credits made about which he wrote. Well, the Soviet governors called the designers and told them - "We are lagging behind the potential enemy!" They answered - "So this is fantastic!" The governors turned purple with anger - "Very clever !? Take us for fools !!! Here in the credits it is written - "It is in service with the USA army", go and do it, but don’t spare any money for the defense of the Motherland! Well, in short, as Mikoyan once said - the Motherland will need to - we will fill the MiG-25 with French cognac. Soon the fairy tale tells, and the matter according to the plans of the Central Committee was done on time, or in a timely manner, but when the MiG-29 flew to Farnborough and the bourgeois saw sights on helmets of Soviet pilots ....... More in the films of the bourgeois I inscriptions "All this equipment is in service with the army and navy of the USA" I have never seen. laughing
          1. +1
            7 January 2016 23: 28
            Quote: avt
            but when MiG-29 arrived in Farnborough and the bourgeois saw sights on the helmets of Soviet pilots ....

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            I read about this in "Young Technique", about the sight on the glasses of pilots' helmets. Then it was akin to the current virtual reality helmet. hi
          2. +1
            8 January 2016 15: 26
            Quote: avt
            ,, blue thunder "seems

            Dear, you just got a little confused in the dates .... "Thunder" is 82 years old, but "Slit" is the technical specification for the development of 1978. Even our brothers, our lesser Jews, developed a similar complex only in 1986. So it is not worth lowering some of the achievements of Soviet engineers below the gutter.
            Quote: Altona
            I read about this in "Young Technique", about the sight on the glasses of pilots' helmets. Then it was akin to the current virtual reality helmet.

            Do not confuse the visual indicator and target designation system. Absolutely different things.
            1. +1
              8 January 2016 15: 45
              Quote: Timeout
              Do not confuse the visual indicator and target designation system. Absolutely different things.

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              It was written there that aiming at the target is carried out almost by turning the head. I myself am not a pilot and I don’t know the capabilities of helmets. even if some kind of data in the form of badges or icons are placed on the glass of the helmet, then for the 80s it’s still fantastic.
              1. +2
                8 January 2016 16: 00
                Quote: Altona
                It was written there that aiming at the target is carried out almost by turning the head.

                True, the guidance was carried out by turning the head. A special infrared emitter is installed on the helmet, according to the position of which the coordinates of the target were determined, with sensors located on the glazing of the cab lantern. Well, about the output of information on the helmet visor, it was also worked out. But such an effect as accommodation and extreme weight buried everything in the bud.
  5. +1
    7 January 2016 11: 07
    During the cold war, political tensions
    was great and sometimes reached senile
    limits. And the idea of ​​"Soviet cosmonaut" against
    The "American astronaut" seemed quite real.

    It is a likely situation, I hope work in this direction is continued.
    Of the three models, the most optimal laser revolver is the most suitable for bulky gloves, although the trigger stroke is small in my opinion.
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.
    1. 0
      7 January 2016 11: 25
      The Americans with personal land weapons of the astronauts were even worse. they proposed a twin 410 / 5,6 of an extremely simple design. True, instead of the trigger there was a key to shoot with gloves. The astronauts did not fit, but was popular with the Indians of the northern states.
      1. +3
        7 January 2016 20: 26
        Quote: alex-cn
        but enjoyed popularity among the Indians of the northern states.

        Oh how! this twin, named M6, was, as it were, a regular NAZ item in the US Air Force until the 80s, and it was developed by Ithaca and put into service as early as 1952. initially under the caliber .22hornet / 410 and then under .223 / 410, well, before that the M-4 bolt for 22 hornets was in service with the US Air Force, during WWII (since 1943) the crews of American bombers who fought in the Pacific received folding twin Marble Game Getter looks like a long revolver in a special holster. Currently, the US Air Force supplies the AR-7 folding rifles, all metal parts of which, after disassembly, are removed into a plastic stock. And besides that, in the states there are also a large number of small arms adapted for use precisely as a weapon of last chance for a pilot shot down in the area of ​​the DB, such a fact - the AR-15 was first adopted by the Air Force and almost immediately on the basis of the M-16 for For the survival of downed pilots in Vietnam, the Colt company developed the CAR-15 survival rifle, and by the way, the legs of modern telescopic butts for the M4 just grow from this "survival rifle". The pistols included in the NAZ of American pilots are usually equipped with silencers - before it was carried out to somehow shoot from such a Smith-Wesson made on the basis of a sports pistol of model 2206, it is not known by what ways that it got to our bandits and then, quite logically, and migrated to us - a very pleasant machine and a muffler, though simple but effective.
        Well, unfortunately, we have never bothered with such developments - at best, the AKS74U without a flame arrester and also a regular PM or TT. Well, the TP-82 was created with an eye on the American M-6 only when the latter was already withdrawn from service in the United States, these are such buns with the Indians.
        1. +2
          7 January 2016 23: 21
          gross kaput

          In the United States, everyone can do weapons in their garage who are not too lazy to do this. And there is free time.

          Driving the top three CNC machines is available to many with average incomes.
          1. 0
            8 January 2016 01: 55
            Why are you doing this? speech about samples not made
            Quote: gladcu2
            in your garage everyone is not too lazy to do this
            and about those who were in service with or supplying the US Air Force and about our response to Chamberlain TP-82.
        2. 0
          8 January 2016 06: 33
          I can’t deny it, but when the first comparisons were made, it was this clapperboard that was weaker and larger than ours. With arms was removed in the 70 years. And as for the popularity among the Indians, I can only say that a civilian model called Sprigfield M6 scout with a barrel extended to 40 cm and chambered for 22 WMR was produced before 2004.
          1. +1
            8 January 2016 12: 25
            Quote: alex-cn
            which is weaker and larger than ours

            in disassembled form (namely, the way the M-6 fits into the container), the dimensions will be comparable to the TP-82 with its machete and bandoleer, the power in this case is also a moot point - 5,45 from a 300 mm barrel will equal .22 Hornet with M6 trunk only here under Hornet at that time there was a huge number of specialized hunting bullets. I will not say anything about shot cartridges - from .32 that from .410 only an extremely radical optimist can do something larger than a sparrow, and a stub of 300 mm in TP-82 only adds piquancy to such a hunt - well, both cartridges are equal in terms of fractions .
            In general, the Americans quite reasonably decided that this was pampering - you couldn't take a shotgun barrel that is larger than a mouse at point-blank range, something larger than a dog from a rifled barrel was the same, therefore, they adopted a self-loading small machine AR-7 which is much more suitable for hunting small game and understands much more "interesting". Moreover, this was when we continued to reinvent the wheel - i.e. issue technical specifications, design and test TP-82, in general, step on the same rake on which a potential friend has already walked.
            1. +1
              8 January 2016 13: 03
              It is interesting that when the first information about TP appeared in the mid-80s, the conversation was not about 5,45 cartridge, but about 5,6x39. And it was a spent cartridge for hunting the middle beast, with 3 or 4 types of bullets, including half-shells. The cartridge provided a reliable defeat of the middle beast at ranges of about 100 meters. And as for shooting at sparrows, from 32 (12,5 mm) caliber, the normal weight of the gun will work for small game up to 30 meters, it was checked when I tried a cracker bought by a friend for my son. And a specially made bullet for smooth, 50-60 meters 28 ( 14 mm) securely lays the middle moose. Itself fell, and a lot of other evidence. I also killed my first capercaillie from 32, by about 20 meters. For many years I shot from under a dog from TOZ-34-28, to 40 meters - very well. True, these are not cutoffs, of course, but in small calibers the length of the barrel affects the battle less.
              1. +1
                8 January 2016 14: 17
                Alex can be hunted from a slingshot, but it’s not about hunting for fun but about survival, when in simple terms there’s nothing to eat, and pilots, astronauts and other brethren are far from all hunters with experience, so this approach is not applicable here , so the Americans quite sensibly reasoned that the self-loading small thing would give a much better chance of killing any animal than a spark from a smooth-bore small pipe and a rifled single-shot barrel not under the most effective cartridge.
                1. +1
                  8 January 2016 15: 18
                  to learn to shoot at a sedentary shotgun, a one-off thing to learn, to shoot from a rifled one they learn to shoot all the military, and they would have to use such weapons only in very remote places where the game is not frightened. if it's cold, you can believe or check. so maybe both options had some right to life.
    2. +5
      7 January 2016 12: 08
      TP 82 is a model that fully complies with the customer’s specifications. Including precisely because of the TZ were selected corresponding cartridges.
      Including layout, including the inconvenient nemeschete-nepriklad.
      But they wanted to get what they did.
      The customer was satisfied.
      As far as I knew it, when at the end of 80-x communicated with representatives of both those and others.
      Sincerely ...
      1. +3
        7 January 2016 12: 28
        Well, the customer was very pleased when one Achtung gave birth to a uniform for our army.
        Here, in my opinion, the main thing is that the end user is satisfied.
        Sincerely ...
      2. +3
        7 January 2016 12: 53
        Quote: Lekov L
        TP 82 - the model is fully consistent with the technical specifications of the customer

        They wrote about a cartridge for it, initially the 5.45 cartridge was uncomfortable with its small stopping ability, after modernization, it lightly stopped the medium-sized deer and could cause a fatal outcome to the bear wink
  6. +6
    7 January 2016 13: 25
    Quote: Locksmith
    could have killed the bear

    And also to shoot down enemy satellites and punch abrams in the forehead, in fact the only difference between the 5,45 SP and 7H6 is the lack of a steel core, it has a completely lead one.
    1. 0
      8 January 2016 15: 51
      Quote: gross kaput
      5,45 SP from 7H6

      Hello namesake, with the coming. 5,45 SP is a complete copy of a bullet from 5,6x39. The same come to life.
      1. +3
        8 January 2016 17: 54
        Hi, I also disagree with you over the past holidays about the bullet from 5,6, as well as with Monetchekov’s statement that the 5,45 CH-P has a steel core and an expansive cavity, there is such a picture from the official TP-82 pussy where it is clearly seen that the bullet is much longer than the 5,6X39 bullet and corresponds to the shape of the 5,45 7n6 pool but has a solid lead core, unlike the last. Well, according to 5,6x39, as far as I remember, initially the TP-82 was developed with reference to this cartridge, but in the end it was decided to use 5,45, so maybe information about the 5,6 bullet is an echo of the original designs.
        1. +2
          8 January 2016 18: 34
          yes, by the way, here's a photo comparison of 5,45x39 and 5,6X39
          1. +4
            9 January 2016 03: 57
            Quote: gross kaput
            Well, according to 5,6x39, as far as I remember, initially the TP-82 was developed with reference to this cartridge, but in the end it was decided to use 5,45, so maybe information about the 5,6 bullet is an echo of the original designs.

            Here I hurried a little with conclusions ... I relied on the history of development. Thanks for the tip!
            Quote: gross kaput
            yes, by the way, here's a photo comparison of 5,45x39 and 5,6X39

            He rummaged and found this:
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              9 January 2016 13: 31
              Yeah, it means you and I both sat in a puddle - all the same, the base is not 7n6 only with lead but a half-shell.
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                10 January 2016 08: 32
                Quote: gross kaput
                Yeah, it means you and I both sat in a puddle

                Yeah, the namesake, not all of the carnival cat ... So that we can be wrong! laughing
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    7 January 2016 15: 11
    such a pretty penny answer
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    7 January 2016 15: 36
    Quote: Gunter
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.

    By the way, this "machete" was put into civilian circulation. I had this and I agree that it is not very convenient, although I may have used it for other purposes)))
    My classmate, studied at the beginning. 80s in LVACCU and talked about a laser gun. I must say that then it seemed fantastic, something incredible.
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    7 January 2016 16: 28
    Revolver notably amused with its design soldier

    As always, the most interesting developments were profaned and forgotten ...
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    7 January 2016 18: 07
    Quote: Gunter
    As for TP-82, the model is crude, the butt had to be made framework, as on the RMB-93, the machete is generally senseless, when you try to chop it - it gives trash to your hand.

    On "Vepr-2" it should have already been a framework. As well as replacing a machete with Taiga-2 and a double-edged knife with a Werewolf. Alas, the collapse of the 90s did not allow this replacement. In principle, those who used these machetes in training for survival, according to those who led these trainings, there was not much difference in their work. Although from a purely aesthetic point of view, this "triangular" structure looked, as it were, to put it mildly, as something unfinished. And there was also a two-edged knife, which is called "No ice". Even with ordinary gloves, opening it was a problem, especially in a situation where the temperature is much below freezing. The "groove" on the blade was such that it could only be pryed off with a fingernail. But alas, as there was no money for new cartridges, so
    there was no money either for the "taiga" or for the "Werewolf"

    Quote: kvs207
    By the way, this "machete" was put into civilian circulation. I had this and I agree that it is not very convenient, although I may have used it for other purposes)))

    I can't say anything about the old machete, I don't know, but "Taiga-2" was on sale at least 5 years ago. And "Werewolf" was on sale, but for a short time in the mid-90s
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    7 January 2016 21: 14
    I can imagine what would have been to replace this "Makarov" unit in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.))) The series "Streets of Broken Lanterns" would have become cooler at least.
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    8 January 2016 15: 20
    Quote: avt
    wherever the pilot does not look, there the cannon shoots. ,, blue thunder "it seems

    this film was released in 86, I watched it in those days (in the soldiers' club), and our "shark" in Afghanistan has already flown.
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      8 January 2016 16: 14
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      this film was released in the 86th year

      Somewhere 82-83 went downhill, but not the point. In the year 83, MIGs were already adopted.
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      8 January 2016 22: 12
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      , and our "shark" in Afghanistan has already flown.

      KA-50 has never been in Afghanistan, the first combat use dates back to the beginning of 2001 and already to Chechnya where they operated from the North together with KA-29 target designation.
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    8 January 2016 22: 56
    A bunch of engineering! good
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    9 January 2016 10: 19
    Interesting article! Plus!
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    9 January 2016 22: 57
    I think that in connection with the general rise of the defense industry, it is more likely that work on these weapons has resumed. And now it will be a weapon of lethal action.
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    10 January 2016 11: 39
    Quote: DIMbor
    I think that in connection with the general rise of the defense industry, it is more likely that work on these weapons has resumed. And now it will be a weapon of lethal action.

    In order for this to be a lethal weapon, a very powerful and compact source of energy is needed. He is not yet, and in the near future is not visible. To have such a weapon in order to blind the enemy is also not an option, since protective equipment can be massively created faster and cheaper.

    Actually, this development is a development at the department level, has not received development (especially if we recall the first "presentation" of this unit in the media)
    Now for space such a weapon is not relevant. There are no fights in space and are not visible for the coming decades.
    And the statement about blinding the enemy is debatable. 10 J in unprotected eye - this is understandable. And according to the astronaut, who also has a mirror filter on his helmet, which allows him to look at the Sun without harming his eyes, it is very doubtful.
    So let this "weapon" remain a museum piece