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Not at all festive thoughts about the state defense order

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Last week, a video appeared on the network in which Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin demonstrates the level of possession of a pistol. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot “Macedonian” with two hands, the skills of intuitive shooting, and the general shooting training. Targets fell one after another. Impressed. How impressed at the time the documentary of Dmitry Rogozin "Tanks. Ural character ”, dedicated to the Nizhny Tagil Uralvagonzavod.




Sad история about "unearned expenses"

However, this film appeared on TV screens last summer, now the work of the vice-premier was limited to sharp posts on Twitter in response to statements and actions of Western politicians. Meanwhile, Dmitry O. in the current government is not in charge of international relations, cinema or small-arms training of citizens. For four years he has been heading the country's defense industry. Dmitry Rogozin - Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, Maritime Collegium under the Government of the Russian Federation, State Commission for the Development of the Arctic, State Border Commission, Commission on Export Control of the Russian Federation. The Vice Prime Minister is responsible for executing the state defense order.

How did the outgoing year in the field of professional responsibility of Dmitry Rogozin? According to his estimates, it is quite effective. In early December, in an interview with NTV, the Deputy Prime Minister announced that the state defense order of 2015 of the year would be fulfilled by about 96 percent. The remaining four percent fall on projects that have stumbled due to the short supply of equipment and components that were previously ordered from partners abroad, but did not reach the enterprises because of the known sanctions.

In a word, there are no organizational and managerial problems in the branch under the jurisdiction of the deputy prime minister. True, the story of the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome has come to mind. This object does not relate directly to the defense order, but can serve as an illustration of performance and discipline in the performance of the most important state programs. At Vostochny, this December, which is called a Christmas tree, was planned to hold the first launch of the Angara light rocket. Did not happen. Almost all infrastructure sites revealed serious flaws and deficiencies.

At the beginning of the meeting, which Vladimir Putin spent at the new cosmodrome in mid-October, Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin supervising the construction of the Vostochny promised to do everything possible to ensure that the first launches took place before the end of 2015. The president did not support him. “You can’t slip into a break or sturm,” he said then. “We need to monitor the quality, reliability, and security of the infrastructure.” Putin allowed to transfer the first launches of spacecraft from the new cosmodrome to 2016 year.

The position is very sound, but it was embarrassing that the specific dates for the first start have not been determined. It is the same as putting the task to a troop unit to reach the line of attack without determining a specific time. The main thing is not to lose tracks and wheels on the road. Such undemandingness has already led, for example, to a dozen criminal cases on the same “Eastern”. Here, as is known, the funds allocated for the construction of the cosmodrome were stolen.

Last week, Tatyana Golikova, head of the Accounts Chamber, called on the program “Opinion” the reasons for such free handling of budget money. She criticized the practice of government on 100% to advance major projects and contracts. Imagine, on the object just started to dig a pit, and financed it on the roof inclusive, to reach which will take many, many months. All this time, the contractor manages resources at their discretion.

“We need to take more seriously the expenses that were previously made in previous years, and the fact that they are not yet spent expenses,” the head of the Accounting Chamber said on television. - This is quite a large amount - 4,2 trillion. rub. as of October 1 2015 of the year. "

Projects that Dmitry Rogozin did not recall

Tatyana Golikova talked about macroeconomic problems in general and did not clarify the contribution to these unrealized trillions of rubles, formed by enterprises of the military-industrial complex, in which there are enough projects that were delayed for years and not executed during contracts. Almost daily, with a televised speech by Golikova, the Chairman of the Russian Government, Dmitry Medvedev, visited the Far Eastern Zvezda plant and visited the nuclear submarine Kuzbass, which, after upgrading, was ready for a checkout at sea. Behind the scenes, it remains that the boat came to the factory in the 2009 year, and its modernization, according to the contract, should have been completed in 2013.

There are other examples of matches. While Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin demonstrated his skills in using a pistol, Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov announced that the deadline for the transfer of the Navy to the two frigates Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen had been broken. Now, the latest ships equipped with Caliber-N missile systems will be part of the Black Sea fleet only in 2016. We note in parentheses that the construction of each mentioned frigate cost the treasury 40 billion rubles.

Yuri Borisov did not say about the reasons for the failure of this schedule. But the transfer to 2016 of the year of completion of state tests on another modern frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" explained "the need to conduct an extended test cycle of the latest weapons." This budget ship cost more. It is more abusive than the Black Sea frigates, at least as many cruise missiles on it as Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen combined.

In July of the outgoing year, on the day of the navy sailors holiday, the Admiral Gorshkov painted with flags stood in the formation of the Baltic Fleet ships. The Supreme Commander, the Minister of Defense, and the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy familiarized themselves with the newest frigate. Since then, the "Admiral Gorshkov" switched to the Northern Fleet, but it remained in the state testing cycle. "Due to the large amount of high-precision testing weapons- quotes RIA News a source in the Navy’s main headquarters, the transfer of the main frigate of the 22350 project Admiral Gorshkov to the Navy, is shifted to the right by the end of next year. ”

The transfer dates for the 2016 year to the transfer to the fleet of the head minesweeper of the 12700 “Alexander Obukhov” project, the head assault ship of the 11711 “Ivan Gren” project. By the way, "Ivan Gren" is still that unfinished. He has been on the water since May 2012. Completion was delayed, several times transferred the beginning of the mooring tests. Gone "right" and with the transfer of the ship to the fleet. The St. Andrew's flag on it will be raised at best in the second quarter of 2016 of the year.

No doubt, the construction of lead ships in projects is always difficult and takes longer than the creation of serial sisterships. However, all this is taken into account in the contracts of the state defense order, the execution of which was so victoriously reported to the country by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

The defense order includes not only the construction of new warships. Most of it is devoted to the repair and modernization of existing weapons and their carriers. Here, too, all is not well. There are small examples. Here is one of them - not yet visible in the ranks of the Black Sea Fleet of the diesel submarine "Alrosa", promised at the end of 2015 of the year. There are significant examples. These include the modernization of the Marshall Ustinov missile cruiser of the Northern Fleet.

Late last year, RIA Novosti, citing the official representative of the Severodvinsk ship repair plant Zvezdochka, Evgenia Gladyshev, reported that the “Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser” of the 1164 Atlant project would be returned to the Navy at the end of 2015 after four years of repair. ” According to Gladyshev, “in the third quarter of 2015, the ship will begin the implementation of the factory running test program. In the fourth - will be transferred to the Navy. "

This September, the company's general director Nikolay Kalistratov, instead of the promised factory tests of the Marshal Ustinov cruiser, shared new information: “It was decided to ship the new complex (of missile weapons), which is not there yet. The ship will be handed over to the Russian Navy, as stipulated by the contract, in 2016 ”.

We will not catch the general director of Zvezdochka for the language, recall last year’s message from a representative of the plant. Perhaps the contract and in fact corrected. We'd better do boring arithmetic. The press reported that 2011 trillion rubles would be spent on financing the state armaments program for 2020-2020 years (LG 20,7). 19 trillions has been posted to the Department of Defense. For a year, 1,9 trillion rubles is taught. Four percent of this amount (the shortfall, which Dmitry Rogozin said) is being pulled by 76 billion rubles - almost twice as much are the frigates, the deadlines for the transfer to the fleet of which are disrupted this December. In total, the projects that were not fully implemented, only those given here as an example, cost the treasury 200 billion rubles.

You can, of course, distract from these sad figures and recall shipbuilders from Zelenodolsk who installed the Kalirov-N small rocket ships Zeleny Dol and Serpukhov, the Admiralty shipyards shipbuilders who transferred the Navy on Friday, December 25 to the Black Sea Fleet , the newest, and in many respects unique, search and rescue ship "Igor Belousov", other teams of defense enterprises. What is the example of the Novosibirsk aircraft builders from the Chkalov Aviation Plant, who sent the Su-34 bomber over the plan to the Ministry of Defense?

However, it is clear that the military-industrial complex can not yet master the money allocated in the framework of the LG 2020. It is possible that the problem worries the government, and even measures are being taken to resolve it. In Twitter and Dmitry Rogozin videos about this details are not found. But the country learned how the deputy prime minister knows how to shoot “in Macedonian”. Instead of a real case, again, a pretty tired PR. Maybe some of the men in our government also cross stitches well? That would have pleased women for the holiday ...
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 28 December 2015 06: 50 New
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    The main thing is the timing!
    1. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 28 December 2015 08: 28 New
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      Quote: Good cat
      The main thing is the timing!


      Timing deadlines, but ... I read yesterday the collection of works of Stalin IV, a message to business executives, in my opinion called. Interesting fiction, very relevant for our time. So there, in addition to setting goals, there is a concrete analysis of why such tasks were not performed in the past and the message that promises should not be made for show. It would not hurt our government to familiarize ourselves with this message.
      1. pesny2006
        pesny2006 28 December 2015 13: 40 New
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        Ek, you wrote! For many, Stalin is the enemy at the top, give them Gorbachev or Yeltsin. And under Stalin, the main account, diligence and responsibility of everyone for the task entrusted. Where are they with this ?!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 28 December 2015 19: 29 New
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          Quote: pesny2006
          And under Stalin, the main account, diligence and responsibility of everyone for the assigned business
          - and also - "every mistake has a specific position, last name and first name!".
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 28 December 2015 15: 55 New
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        No need for liberals to get nervous reading Stalin at night. Just kick out of power. And let the one who reads Stalin with pleasure come and understand at any time of the night or day.
        Then there will be no such articles, as well as no reason to write them.
    2. _Lexa_
      _Lexa_ 28 December 2015 08: 33 New
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      Dmitry Olegovich is a beautiful and an example of a true patriot.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 December 2015 14: 15 New
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        Quote: _Lexa_
        Dmitry Olegovich is a beautiful and an example of a true patriot.

        like your comment ...
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 28 December 2015 15: 56 New
        -1
        I understood this as an evil mockery. I hope that I was not mistaken in you.
    3. Sweles
      Sweles 28 December 2015 09: 35 New
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      and if tomorrow is war, if tomorrow is camping? will we also postpone, but reposition? The author did not mention the SECOND STAGE ENGINE on the PAKFA, which they wanted to put into series by the end of 15g, but shifted to 20g, then transferred (after the Turkish events) to 18g. To all that has been said, it doesn’t work — this capitalism does not work as it should and does not work ...
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 28 December 2015 11: 45 New
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        Capitalism in the world works. Only here we have not capitalism, but wild capitalism, more like feudalism, and even with the invisible bony hand of the “market”. What could be the progress with such a set? But Rogozin is a journalist by profession, and a technocrat like Zavenyagin or Ustinov should be in his place.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 28 December 2015 12: 27 New
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          Quote: 16112014nk
          Capitalism in the world works.


          all the evidence says that capitalism is a structure based on the UNCONTINUOUS CONSUMPTION and BURNING of the colonies and nature, in fact, there is VIOLENCE over nature, now it would seem that there are no colonies, but this is only an appearance, but in fact, the ruthless exploitation of the third world is still undergoing NEOCOLONIALISM, and secondly, everything is designed so that the same Russia — its population receives a penny for its labor, and the insignificant part of the population — oligarchs — collects the main income, in fact, the people of Russia are a disenfranchised mass who is exploited through prices and salaries, and all kinds of speeches against the government mercilessly suppressed, for example, political prisoner-writer Yuri Ignatievich Mukhin ...
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 28 December 2015 19: 27 New
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            Quote: Sveles
            the main income is collected by a small part of the population - oligarchs

            Not only them. If we take enterprises with foreign capital, the factories Ford, Toyota in St. Petersburg, Renault in Moscow and Tolyatti, Skoda in N. Novgorod, Volkswagen in Kaluga, etc., etc. ., then the main income goes to the countries of trademark owners, and in Russia it is good if a quarter remains.

            Quote: Sveles
            all oppositions against power are mercilessly suppressed

            In what arms of service do you have the most new equipment and weapons? In aviation? The navy? “Not at all,” as citizen Yegor Timurovich liked to say, who had a hand in ensuring that there was no new technology anywhere in Russia. The percentage of new equipment and equipment is greatest in the internal forces. To most effectively suppress protesters. Our anti-people government has little hope for policemen.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 28 December 2015 15: 58 New
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          He already worked. The resource base, built on the seizures and robberies of the whole world, is shrinking. like shagreen skin. Moreover, former colonies are beaten out as leaders.
    4. Botanologist
      Botanologist 28 December 2015 14: 35 New
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      What are the deadlines if the engines from Ukraine are not set?
      Yes, and that set - no need to drive no matter what. I saw that he came to the army "under the tree" - then from the brigade factory the shoals were redone year after year.
      To become a minus - the deadlines for the delivery of new weapons, and especially the pre-production ones, depend on bringing the equipment to mind, and not on the Ministry of Finance’s desire to report. And then they go to the database with glitches in the control system. Very, you know, patriotic.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 28 December 2015 14: 54 New
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        Quote: Botanologist
        What are the deadlines if the engines from Ukraine are not set?

        Engines were installed on the first 3 frigates 11356, so this has nothing to do with it. repeat
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  2. papanya59
    papanya59 28 December 2015 07: 12 New
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    Nah, not deadlines, but deadline, A must be hung up. Then there will be more order in GOZ.
    1. remy
      remy 29 December 2015 14: 55 New
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      Most of all I liked it: that they cannot master the allocated money for the state defense order 2020!
      - I do not understand how: "cry or laugh ....."
  3. sa-zz
    sa-zz 28 December 2015 07: 14 New
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    Well, to Rogozin, in my opinion, so far the least complaints. If you study the fulfillment of the plans of other departments with such precision, then their leaders can immediately be judged for sabotage and treason.
    And in terms of quality and targeted financing of projects, there will probably be checks, etc. We will see.
    1. avt
      avt 28 December 2015 09: 51 New
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      Quote: sa-zz
      Well, to Rogozin, in my opinion, so far the least complaints.

      wassat Well, yes, yes ... ...... Victory always has a lot of fathers, that’s why it’s always an orphan. And maybe all the same for words, and even answer on the air?
      1. sa-zz
        sa-zz 28 December 2015 10: 04 New
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        Quote: avt
        Or maybe all the same for the words, and even answer on the air?

        Definitely, you need to answer for your words. I personally take an active civic initiative so that bureaucrats do not forget their words. BUT, I repeat, many leaders can now be safely judged for sabotage or even treason.
        And about the shortcomings of Rogozin’s service named in the article, of course, you need to understand each one, for some reason, there are circumstances that do not depend on one person or department (one ministry of finance is worth what — that's where to clean it up!)
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 28 December 2015 14: 56 New
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          So let him understand, and not tweet every day, about any news from the West. Business must be dealt with
  4. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 28 December 2015 07: 22 New
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    Ltd!
    "patriotic" site began to pour mud Rogozin? no wonder ...
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 28 December 2015 08: 40 New
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      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      Ltd!
      "patriotic" site began to pour mud Rogozin? no wonder ...

      Very rarely, I comment on other people's comments on the article, I think that this is an empty bazaar. But here I want to note uv. Russian Uzbek, that on the site of "Military Review" it is not customary to pour anybody (at least in the articles), as you deigned to impolitely put it, "pour mud"! In fact, marketplace expressions are not welcome on the pages of the VO site. And the article is certainly correct, and there is no dirt whatsoever. Discussing mistakes and not finalizing the government openly and publicly is not dirt!
  5. Olfred
    Olfred 28 December 2015 07: 23 New
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    Maybe one of the men in our government also embroiders crosses well?
    GDP can do a lot ... laughing
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 December 2015 14: 16 New
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      Quote: OlfRed
      GDP can do a lot ...

      but not everything does ...
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 28 December 2015 19: 45 New
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        but not everything does ...

        excavate at the bottom of the Black Sea, lead crowds of crane cranes, drive a tank, play hockey ...
        But to wet the terrorists in the outhouse and cut off Faberge sympathizing terrorists to the very root, he succeeds best! And also, she skillfully trolls the international mafia and its “six-speaking heads,” who tirelessly plunder the world that has settled behind a large puddle.
        In principle, it’s already not bad. But it would be good for him to increase professionalism in the professional sphere. I do not quite understand - why is the Soviet format of the economy denied to them? From 1930 to 1975 - 45 years! - The USSR was growing steadily by 5-6% per year! At the same time he made a powerful scientific and technological breakthrough. In 1930, the USSR did not even have its own developments of the tank, and by 1955 there was already a hydrogen bomb, well, space - how could it be without it? To deny the Soviet experience only on the basis of the behavior of the Soviet economy of the eighties is stupid!
        1. luxprofi
          luxprofi 28 December 2015 21: 31 New
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          Andrei Yurievich I agree completely. Somehow, the liberal deviation of the beloved GDP is alarming. Again, the Yeltsin center opened. He kissed the widow of Solzhenitsyn. Satisfied with the government. It turns out a bit too much. For a scanty Russian sovereign.
          But Rogozin, generally a completely dark horse. The feeling that a person is trying to be someone. Not being such. Player. Specially trained.
  6. uhu189
    uhu189 28 December 2015 07: 25 New
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    You can flood the industry as much as you like with money and set any tough deadlines, but there are no miracles. If so many years are lost, qualifications are lost, skilled workers and engineers are lost, in some cases even some of the technologies that existed in the Soviet Union are lost - no money, let alone managerial decisions, can immediately change the situation. It takes more time, and a very serious, meaningful work in all industries (not only in the defense industry), science, and education. And this chain should pull all other areas of the economy. But no one is doing this, why? For the time being, just the opposite is practiced here - the problem sphere is chosen and astronomical amounts are thrown there and unrealistic dates are set. No one is seriously studying the reasons why this sphere was in this state. As a result, the money spent inefficiently, failure to meet deadlines and one continuous stickiness ... but how much PR ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 28 December 2015 07: 37 New
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      One technology has been replaced by another.
      The elemental base is now clearly better than then, it is the same as that of the Americans.
      As for personnel, the military industry is the only place where a young man who wants to become an engineer can find his application. So there shouldn’t be any problems with talents either.
      As for astronomical sums, is that bad?
      With proper use, mountains can be minimized.
      1. daomsk
        daomsk 28 December 2015 10: 07 New
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        Are you serious? Probably working in a trade or an "effective manager"?
        Alas, the reality is much worse than what is covered in the article ...
        By the way, such a thing as an “engineer” does not exist now - there are masters and bachelors in such and such specialization: - ((
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 28 December 2015 11: 27 New
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          By the way, such a thing as an “engineer” does not exist now - there are masters and bachelors in such and such specialization: - ((


          C'mon, what about the 5-year-old “specialist”? Whatever name you call an engineer, he will remain an engineer anyway. Although, of course, this does not cancel the delirium of the “master of diesel locomotives”.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 28 December 2015 07: 42 New
      +8
      While working at the PZTO plant, in the years of collapse, I came across such a pattern in the 90s, small enterprises began to make small businesses out of the shops, such a mess began, and it was an outrage, not to say in a fairy tale. No one could agree with each other, although the doors are opposite. It got to insanity, they handed over blueprints for the manufacture of equipment, assembled a press, but it did not work, the engineers rack their brains for a long time, realized that something was missing. We talked with these hucksters, they say that they didn’t tell you a couple of drawings, you didn’t want to buy them for a certain amount, you bargained, and here we are cheaper.
      So, the main reason for all of this long-term construction, perhaps lies in this. All became kings, and hucksters. Maybe.
  7. shadow
    shadow 28 December 2015 07: 33 New
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    That's why the USA has such a bloated budget. And there’s no sense from him.
  8. pravednik
    pravednik 28 December 2015 07: 34 New
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    In general, I can’t understand what this advance payment is? My opinion was given a ruble of one hundred for a certain part of the order, when they spent it, checked what they made for this ruble and how, allocated it. And so they gave the contractor all the money, the so-called government and the curators of this order, are sitting in Moscow, afraid to tear the back from the heat in order to check how this order is being executed and they are apparently waiting for a rollback. And then they cry and complain that there is no money or the completed order.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 28 December 2015 11: 36 New
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      In general, I can’t understand what this advance payment is?


      It’s bad that you don’t understand. Advance in production is necessary in order to get everything you need from contractors and at the lowest price. Because each deferred payment is an additional cost of loans, price increases due to the danger of non-payments, etc. problems. Yes, even the simplest inflation, which will depreciate your estimate. In the military-industrial complex, where the final product is the result of the work of a whole conglomerate of enterprises, this is not just important, but crucial. Because through the general contractor, the subcontractors receive the money, without the production of which, for example, a shipyard can collect the hull of the ship, which then will be without cars, equipment and weapons.
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 28 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +1
    demonstrates the level of possession of the gun. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot with two hands “Macedonian”, the skills of intuitive shooting, and general shooting training.

    I saw ... it looks good ... but I would like to see Macedonian shooting in the style of TAMANTSEV at a moving target.
  10. ARES623
    ARES623 28 December 2015 08: 04 New
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    "A video flashed on the Web in a week in which Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin demonstrates the level of pistol proficiency. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot" Macedonian "with two hands, intuitive shooting skills, and general shooting training."
    Obviously, the author would have been more impressed with the achievements of the Deputy Prime Minister in cross-stitching? Well, in order to spit nicely in a "big" jacket. Yes, there are problems in real mechanical engineering, and also in defense. And the underdevelopment of 4% SDO in absolute figures is a rather serious figure. But the person does the CASE, and, in principle, he succeeds, even with all the attempts of the "partners" to complicate the life of the Russian military-industrial complex as much as possible. The author would have to reveal the reasons for this “incomplete work” and offer recipes, but apart from the sarcasm that “it is possible that the problem worries the government,” there are no attempts at analysis. And, no, there is a test to strengthen the new word - "sistership", in Russian. There are probably no analogues in Russian. Ugh.
    . Spit on your own jacket. In this case, I am not for Rogozin, not for Medvedev. I am for myself, for us for all. Criticism must be constructive, or in any case, substantive. If Rogozin is to blame, then what? If you think you can do better, justify and do it.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 December 2015 15: 00 New
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      Quote: ARES623
      If Rogozin is to blame, then what? If you think you can do better, justify and do it.
      It’s to blame for the fact that the deadlines for ships are broken, for the East - everything is chewed in the article. Whoever is in charge is to blame - this is everywhere, under normal management. As for "justify and do" it is generally ridiculous, people from the street will not be appointed to such a position.
  11. Lyapis
    Lyapis 28 December 2015 08: 06 New
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    Something did not understand the article. First, the author points out the well-known figures: 96% of the executed state defense order. He immediately mentions quite understandable difficulties in its implementation, such as the need for import substitution and problems of a purely technical nature. For some reason, at the beginning and end of the article, he focuses on Ragozin ... And as a result ... yes, in general, the author has not voiced any results or conclusions. Just a text saturated with the spirit of pessimism and omnipotence ... sad
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 28 December 2015 08: 24 New
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      Quote: Lyapis
      Something did not understand the article

      "" The mustache is gone. ""
    2. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 28 December 2015 21: 47 New
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      But the meaning of the article is simple - we can’t overwhelm the army, we will overwhelm the military-industrial complex. But how to fill up better - to chop off an advance payment on order. And the fact that during the hungry years the enterprises scored loans, did not update the equipment, did not repair the workshops - and all this needs money and we need right now - the author does not care.
      Agent he mishandled.
      The main bias is made on the fleet, but - firstly, there is a problem with the engines, secondly - the Syrian Express, for normal operation it needs repair on trifles and regularly, but it is done at the same factories and parts are similar.
      To hell with the author - and not overwhelm the Syrian Express and the military-industrial complex!
  12. sodick
    sodick 28 December 2015 08: 31 New
    +3
    Dear, was anyone at the defense industry enterprises? A depressing sight. Theft also flourishes there. Evaluation of activity is carried out only by a thick heap of reporting documentation, which is drawn to whom as it should.
    No level of professionalism. Salaries are mostly low (do not look at the average - they are like the average temperature of patients in a hospital). Product quality is falling.
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 28 December 2015 09: 03 New
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      "Dear, was anyone at the defense industry enterprises?"

      Not only was, but still is. wink

      "A depressing sight ..."

      In his enterprise and in allies, he did not notice any of this.
      Can voice those enterprises where you found all this?

      ps No need to project your situation at all.
      I especially liked your "average patient temperature in the hospital."
      How many of the hundreds of defense industry enterprises in Russia have you been to?
      1. looker-on
        looker-on 28 December 2015 20: 16 New
        +1
        I venture to run into a minus, but I can’t help but ask: Can you say at which enterprise of the military-industrial complex everything is so good? If not state secrets, of course
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 December 2015 07: 56 New
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          It’s not a secret, but I was the first to ask the question: “Can you voice those enterprises where you found all this?” and I’ll inform you only after the answer. hi

          ps but hint: air defense. bully
          1. looker-on
            looker-on 19 January 2016 02: 04 New
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            Immediately: not I slammed the minus. Enterprises where everything is really bad in our country is enough. I will say differently: I read a lot and I don’t have a single article about the plant about which someone would write, everything is fine with us. Even not: everything is awesome ... but just not bad. We are talking about military factories. I can say for the neighbors: the "Meter" plant, RB. They were engaged in promising circuitry and the production of microcircuits for aviation. Current status: zero. When asked why “zero” got the answer: if we were given the task of creating a domestic microprocessor, we, on our own, could not recreate even the intel 386 level (for reference, it’s never a super chip. Development 83-85). ! According to the drawings! With all the design documentation.

            It's creepy, gentlemen, and it's true.

            But the solution is very simple: Homeland! Give me the opportunity to work and earn HOME. Without yachts and villas in 5 floors. It’s just nice to live if you work well. Own a house. Calm for your old age. For the “everyday life” of children. And do not need about "the enemy does not sleep and they interfere with us"
  13. atakan
    atakan 28 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: sodick
    Dear, was anyone at the defense industry enterprises? A depressing sight. Theft also flourishes there.

    Judging by the conversation with my immediate superior, he saw Rogozin at meetings more than once, and in conversations between each other he heard about him, shared his conclusions,
    - which is not completely 100%, but 70% sure that it was Rogozin who saddled now drank the budget of the Uglegorsk cosmodrome, and the general of the special construction with an accountant will sit, because. it suits Moscow.
  14. guzik007
    guzik007 28 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin demonstrates the level of possession of a pistol. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot with two hands "Macedonian"
    --------------------------------------------------
    Well, the mustache is understandable, I dug into free toys. Instead of doing things, half a day on a dash, half a day on Twitter.
    RS There are specialists, to explain to the people, how long does it take to learn how to put so professionally from a pistol?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 December 2015 14: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: guzik007
      Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin demonstrates the level of possession of a pistol. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot with two hands "Macedonian"
      --------------------------------------------------

      I would have so much fun too ... but, I can’t afford it ... recourse
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 29 December 2015 14: 12 New
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        HOW HAHA !! Jinxed! Jinxed our statesman !!! He shot himself in the dash. I wish you a speedy recovery. A shooting range is waiting for you. Next in line is Macedonian shooting with two machine guns, I’m even afraid to imagine if Cho goes wrong ...
  15. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 28 December 2015 09: 31 New
    +5
    For me, it became noticeable even earlier that Rogozin, as an organizer and manager, is weak, not him. He is more inherent in the quality of the speaker, i.e. then what he did before.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 December 2015 15: 02 New
      +2
      What do you want from pure humanities.
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 29 December 2015 03: 26 New
        +1
        Well, Reagan was an actor, and over there what SOI got bored)))
  16. Alex_59
    Alex_59 28 December 2015 09: 34 New
    -3
    Rogozin is an official. Do you want the official to state the true number of non-fulfillment of the plan? Then it will not be an official. So regardless of whether Rogozin is good or not, he couldn’t name other numbers. If he would say what they did 110% - there were questions, how so, if such an apogee in the economy? If he said that they did 80% - why so little, can we remove you and put another?

    My opinion is Rogozin norms. Not ideal, yes, maybe it’s stealing, but at least something seems to be doing things for the good. Previously, this was not visible. Maybe you can do better - but who knows how?
  17. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 28 December 2015 10: 01 New
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    Instead of the real deal - again pretty annoying PR.

    Yes, maybe they don’t give money, they will give at the end of the year, half depreciated, and do what you want!
  18. Belousov
    Belousov 28 December 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    From Rogozin for a long time continuous PR instead of business. For embezzlement in the East it is necessary to shoot in a good way, and not just to plant. But if there they limited themselves only to the management of the construction site, without taking into account the entire withdrawal scheme, draw conclusions. "If the stars are lit, it means someone needs it ..."
  19. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 28 December 2015 10: 42 New
    +2
    Ships with flags do not “colorize”, but “colorize”.

    (When he shot at targets - nobody there pulled the strings from behind? Joke, if that ...)
  20. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 28 December 2015 10: 49 New
    -2
    .. Do not really find fault and blablabla terms. I think the main thing is to insist on building work and modernizing the military-industrial complex, to master new technologies and developments .. and the result will be. It was necessary in the article to tell what changes at the factories and design bureaus took place .... What is the point in the ostentatious assault and slushy products .... there was a time, fill up the whole country with tanks and what is the use of these numbers now .. Well, these frigates cannons for shooting by kernels .. what's the use of them.? Better later, but better ... If Rogozin builds a new and coordinated work of the military-industrial complex ... and that bow. And who considers himself an ideal leader ... in the studio - We recognize the heroes of the country
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 28 December 2015 18: 22 New
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      Konstantin Yu wrote - ...... there was a time, all over the country with tanks and what's the use of it now from these figures .. Well, they will lower these frigates, with cannons for sredba nuclei .. what is the use of them?

      In order to be on the same need the will to victory and responsibility for the country of the warriors of the army and fleet ... !!! And not bydlyachya obedience - ordered to surrender conquest - SO EXACTLY, we surrender ...!

      THROUGH weapons make warriors, loyal to the military oath and duty. And not submissive and cowardly ****, which gathered to live forever .. !!! Under the refrain:"... if only there was no war ...!"

      Times will pass, and if History continues, then the history of the betrayal of the USSR by the security forces will be investigated. And everyone will get their assessment, but already forever The seal of betrayal was laid on those who served in 90. am
  21. Tagan
    Tagan 28 December 2015 11: 01 New
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    Quote: sodick
    Dear, was anyone at the defense industry enterprises? A depressing sight. Theft also flourishes there. Evaluation of activity is carried out only by a thick heap of reporting documentation, which is drawn to whom as it should.
    No level of professionalism. Salaries are mostly low (do not look at the average - they are like the average temperature of patients in a hospital). Product quality is falling.

    and what indicators are you looking at, average for what coverage? I understand that you were at many enterprises of the military-industrial complex or even all at once. For example, I know for sure that the defense industry was breathing in precisely in our region. salaries have grown. not for all positions, of course. but compared with what it was five years ago, the difference is palpable. about the level of professionalism, too, should not be taken on average for the chicken coop.
    so, should we cry together with you or together grab the hi? What are such "expert" estimates designed for?
  22. Ajjh
    Ajjh 28 December 2015 11: 32 New
    +4
    Phahahaha !! Well, you give ... Why is this leader considered a patriot here? :) His plans for space exploration, which he laid out about a year ago, are very clear. I read it !! and I’ll tell you ... fairy tales? nonsense? hmm. something a cross laughing
    Such a huge theft at a construction site and what? do you think he doesn’t know ?? Yes, he is in business! here in the comments they suggested hanging especially zealous thieves, and so he, Rogozin, should be on the list at number 1 to go. and you defend him like that ... well, right ... the fish rots from the head, what you see on TV is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Here's the thing - what did he do useful? who will list his services to your homeland? nuka? can column
  23. Petrik66
    Petrik66 28 December 2015 12: 14 New
    +6
    Do you have any specialists? And how old are these specialists? I twice launched the production of agricultural machinery in the suburbs (Korolev and Yubileiny) - once in 2005, and another time in 2012. The first time I was still able to find 21 workers (specialists), and the second time I imported from Belarus. And they pay a lot of money, but still: they really didn’t know how to do anything, just swell the advance. In 2005 - from 600 to 1000 bucks on hand .... and nothing, just one drunk. threw themselves on the "Energy" - a science city, a flagship, Russian space, recruited engineers, and they, besides stories about business trips to NASA, were full, zeros ... Then, the Spaniards came from Barcelona and offered to buy their equipment. The prime cost is SUCH, but with excellent painting, excellent welding - the seam is fabulous, nothing broke. For three years of supply, not a single complaint. But you don’t have any idiots, no problems with heating, sewage and electricity. The cunning wise men of the colonels do not come - give me money. Of the experts - two masters - from ZIL and from KamAZ. I’ll bow to the belt to these people. These were, but one was 61, and the other 59 at the time of hiring. Rogozin? Well, what can he alone? He is not a business executive. While learning, while gaining staff that he can trust. And the fleet? Well, after all, he didn’t bother to build engines in the Russian Federation, and not in Hohland, for 15 years of oil burning.
    1. Ilya77
      Ilya77 29 December 2015 14: 43 New
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      Somewhat suspiciously, 21 people for the entire production - didn’t you hang up duties on them, as the current businessmen like when you replace the designer and technologist and controller and 10 more specialists. And it’s all the more stupid to take specialists from the aerospace, there are different designers, if he designed the rockets then with what kind of combo he will design the combine for you, you need to relearn it.
  24. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +4
    what did this hangman bring to the planet ...

    You can’t say more precisely. Instead of working, uncle trains in shooting, and still has the audacity to brag about it. Yes, some enterprises work perfectly, is there a merit of rosogin in this? - I really, really doubt it. Everything new, which, in theory, should be praised by the citizen’s boss, is overwhelmed, and it’s very scandalous and with the "success" getting on the TV. Instead, the "international journalist" is proud of the rhythmic production facilities built and launched in the USSR, to the work of which he has nothing to do. If you remove this uncle, the only thing that will change is that it will become less theft and mess, and production will only improve. I think if he hadn’t been beaten on his hands from time to time, he would have ruined everything in the Soviet legacy.
  25. tolancop
    tolancop 28 December 2015 13: 10 New
    +2
    Rogozin knows how to jump with a pistol (s) - we can only be happy for him. Only his task is OTHER. For the defense complex to work like a clock. And for this it is necessary to solve a carriage and a small cart of tasks, starting from the coordination of terms of reference for new equipment and ending with the training of personnel for the defense industry, and it remains to be seen which of the tasks is more important and more difficult. On the one hand, providing workers of defense plants with NORMAL working conditions (hot water in the shower, comfortable temperatures in workshops, etc.) is not Rogozin's level. But on the other hand, his task is to organize the matter in such a way that there is a person RESPONSIBLE for water and for the work of vocational schools and for the "immoderate appetites" of the owners of enterprises. There are so many problems that if you solve them “without fools” for a ride with a gun, there will definitely not be time ... But if guns were used for their intended purpose - shooting saboteurs, then the thing is different. :) ... But, alas, this is impossible in our legal state.
  26. Ajjh
    Ajjh 28 December 2015 13: 38 New
    +1
    and what indicators are you looking at, average for what coverage? I understand that you were at many enterprises of the military-industrial complex or even all at once. For example, I know for sure that the defense industry was breathing in precisely in our region. salaries have grown. not for all positions, of course. but compared with what it was five years ago, the difference is palpable. about the level of professionalism, too, should not be taken on average for the chicken coop.
    Fair. the hospital average of zp is not an indicator. Here is the fact that young specialists are in line for employment - this is an indicator! Try it at NASA, or in the company of Elon Mask for example. You have a fig that will come out. because the best go there, there is a competition. they have been preparing there almost since school. Yes, even I would give a lot to work there. And you? same? contest? are the best of the best coming? queues for high zp? great opportunities? every student from the 1st day of study is already looking for a connection in the defense industry?
    1. daomsk
      daomsk 28 December 2015 14: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Ajjh
      And you? same? contest? are the best of the best coming? queues for high zp? great opportunities? every student from the 1st day of study is already looking for a connection in the defense industry?

      Of course not! The average salary in the plant is 28 ty, and among leading engineers - 24 ty. There are young people, of course - those who have not found a place in Euroset, Eldorado or Auchan. There is no motivation for work (and even professional growth!). They came to 8, at 17-00 you will not find a single one at work. Going out at the weekend is like a natural disaster, with yelling and wringing hands.
      So we, pensioners, are sitting, watching the cut of what we didn’t have time to finish, we are doing the work for ourselves and for that guy. But otherwise, you won’t be fed up with retirement. True, the next. year, and pensioners were going to shed - to lose even a meager, but few want their own pension. And who has a pension of 15-16 ty, there is absolutely nothing to catch at work - for 16-18 ty, you can sit at home ...
      1. kush62
        kush62 28 December 2015 18: 09 New
        0
        daomsk
        . True, the next. year, and pensioners were going to shed - to lose even a meager, but few want their own pension. And who has a pension of 15-16 ty, there is absolutely nothing to catch at work - for 16-18 ty, you can sit at home ...

        What kind of loss are you talking about. If you receive a pension of 16 thousand, you will receive it. Salary will also be. You will not be indexed. Those. If your non-working neighbor, who received 16 thousand, with indexation will receive as much as 16500 rubles, then you will also receive your 16000 and earnings. If after some time you decide to retire, then from that moment you will receive an already indexed pension.
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 28 December 2015 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: daomsk
        Going out at the weekend is like a natural disaster, with yelling and wringing hands.

        This is an unimportant organization of labor, a person is not obliged to work on his day off, especially since the output is most likely not paid, but they put pressure on patriotism
        1. tolancop
          tolancop 28 December 2015 21: 23 New
          0
          a person does not have to work on his day off. I agree. But you cannot shove life into a paragraph, sometimes you have to adjust plans even with a good organization of labor and the production process.
    2. looker-on
      looker-on 28 December 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      They wrote very well.

      The same business in Russia is not only about air trading. Not only do I interview engineers twice (with the involvement of engineers from related departments) I also give a test assignment. As an example: to comment on a board drawing or even suggest an improvement. The entire gloss resume och quickly goes away. And the best remain.
  27. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 28 December 2015 16: 07 New
    0
    There is a nanotechnologist, a sniper, we live ....
  28. ltc35
    ltc35 28 December 2015 17: 01 New
    0
    Amers, in many ways, have expensive equipment because of high salaries. We are ready to work for the idea, but the salary is low .. My wife and children will not like the idea))).
  29. Koronik
    Koronik 28 December 2015 17: 30 New
    0
    "Instead of the real deal - again pretty annoying PR." Yes, there is nothing to object to the author, everyone should be responsible for their work (although I respect Rogozin), especially when it comes to Russia's security.
  30. Ajjh
    Ajjh 28 December 2015 18: 06 New
    +2
    (although I respect Rogozin)

    That's for fun - for what?
    for the fact that he is fond of practical shooting or that the face does not fit into the screen?
    only on business. Seriously. I can do something I don’t know, and not all infa leaks into the media, and all his good deeds are hidden?
    I am ready to change my opinion about this figure, but somehow after his space program only solid competence and balabolism + populism are visible
  31. runway
    runway 28 December 2015 20: 00 New
    +1
    "Well, what do you want from him, because he is alone ..., there are no specialists, I had to invite the Spaniards ...".
    All this we have already passed more than once. Yes, you can and even need to learn from the Varangians in order to raise their specialists. But to blame the fact that our land is impoverished by expert masters, virtuosos in their profession, I will never agree with this. It’s just the time when their work and skills are not appreciated. In the recent past, a top-ranking worker received more than the director of the enterprise. The names of such workers were called cities, ships, metro stations .... They came from capitalist countries to adopt the experience of our specialists. There were reasons to be proud of their professional skills.
    Now your professional skills are not needed. Be able to please the boss, be useful to him, create the appearance that you are devoted to him in everything, and you will be happy .... Rogozin from this clip. He knows about army problems only from the words of the pope. Most recently, he was convincing everyone that it was better to buy imported equipment (even from NATO countries), since our military-industrial complex estimates its products too expensive. After the weather vane has turned (after IVECA and Mistral), he convinces everyone that now we need it ourselves ....
    In the army (navy), when you are appointed to the post, there is no way to select cool specialists to bring the military unit (compound) to excellent ones. It all depends on how you organize the training process and the daily life of the military unit. But if you do not understand anything in this matter, then look for another job. IMHO.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 28 December 2015 20: 48 New
      -1
      You are just a BOLTUN. I paid more money at the factory than they even earned in Moscow - 1000 bucks in 2005. Whom should I educate? And anyway - WERE THEY WERE ?????
      1. Anisim1977
        Anisim1977 28 December 2015 21: 58 New
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        I’ll support you Petrik - you can’t get a normal team at a factory by wave of wand. And Rogozin should not be an ideal manager, sensible deputies why?
        The case of Rogozin is to get money out of the government for orders, and he copes with this very well.
        And now depriving of prepayment and at all enterprises of the military-industrial complex will be covered by modernization with a copper basin and re-lending or repayment of expensive private loans, and this is evil.
        Yes, and given the "love" of our Central Bank for affordable loans and a low% rate - an advance payment, this is the only way to give the military-industrial complex to work normally.
  32. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 28 December 2015 22: 28 New
    +1
    The one who does nothing, but only writes does not have mistakes and difficulties.
  33. daomsk
    daomsk 29 December 2015 04: 50 New
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    Quote: kush62
    daomsk
    . True, the next. year, and pensioners were going to shed - to lose even a meager, but few want their own pension. And who has a pension of 15-16 ty, there is absolutely nothing to catch at work - for 16-18 ty, you can sit at home ...

    What kind of loss are you talking about. If you receive a pension of 16 thousand, you will receive it.

    You didn’t listen to Putin’s press conference — he said bluntly that we are moving to the Soviet system of paying pensions: if you work, you will only get a salary. After leaving work, you will receive a pension, but without compensation for the time of work. Thus, this is a real decrease in the standard of living of pensioners! And how it is presented - they say, a lot of us got divorced, parasites. But instead of stimulating the "parasites" to work, we are actually being squeezed out of it.
    Well, we will leave, and that in six months the state will sing - there are no specialists, there is no one to work, again the pensioners will be to blame. The vicious circle in the classic form ...
    Therefore, the people do not want to wait for this moment, but molt in advance so that the putmedies do not come up with anything else ;-))
    1. Koronik
      Koronik 29 December 2015 05: 07 New
      -1
      Yes, dear, everyone turned upside down, once again listen to the president.
  34. daomsk
    daomsk 29 December 2015 05: 03 New
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    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: daomsk
    Going out at the weekend is like a natural disaster, with yelling and wringing hands.
    This is an unimportant organization of labor, a person is not obliged to work on his day off, especially since the output is most likely not paid, but they put pressure on patriotism

    That is true, but if the factory goes on without interruption, engineers have to go out of the way - no one has canceled production supervision and author support. Even pensioners do not even respond to patriotism - how much can this bugbear be exaggerated? Since 1921, we have been swinging it ...
    But Ragozin, yes, it would be better if he dealt with politics. He speaks a lot and correctly in the main, but in the practical sphere he is not strong. Oversight of the Kremlin personnel department, one must think. He would be at the UN, he would knock on the platform with his boot, and let competent people do economic affairs.
    Of course, when I see his well-fed face on TV, it sometimes becomes funny - when you have to change the image scale from 16: 9 to 4: 3 ....
  35. Earnest
    Earnest 29 December 2015 14: 52 New
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    Last week, a video appeared on the network in which Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin demonstrates the level of possession of a pistol. The high official was frankly surprised by the ability to shoot "Macedonian" with two hands, the skills of intuitive shooting, and general shooting training. Targets fell one after another. Impressed.

    And the old woman is a bummer ...
    MOSCOW, December 29. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was injured in the leg while shooting at a shooting range.
    In this regard, Rogozin was not present at the last meeting of the President of the Russian Federation with members of the government last week and at the final cabinet meeting on Monday. The incident, according to Interfax, occurred during training shooting at the shooting range.
    Rogozin is currently undergoing treatment in a Moscow hospital.

    Source: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2015/12/29/1476401.html
  36. Earnest
    Earnest 29 December 2015 15: 08 New
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    However, denials immediately went
    Media reports that Dmitry Rogozin shot himself in the dash does not correspond to reality, said the deputy prime minister in the office.
    “We do not confirm this information, it does not correspond to reality. Dmitry Olegovich is at work, held a meeting today at the Vostochny spaceport. He really had a small sports injury a few days ago, received during a handball training, and he spent several days on sick leave. It has nothing to do with the published information today, "Nikita Anisimov, an assistant to Dmitry Rogozin, told RIA Novosti.

    More details: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2703860
  37. marat023
    marat023 29 December 2015 15: 18 New
    +1
    so as not to be present at the meeting yesterday, he even shot his foot in the dash with what our officials are doing. It’s necessary to work and not to dash around shooting ranges
  38. Worohilow
    Worohilow 7 January 2016 13: 08 New
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    Money, wash, wash and launder sad