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About Turkish tanks

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In late November, there were reports of new actions by the Turkish military leadership in connection with the current conflict in Syria. A number of foreign media reported on the transfer by the Turkish armed forces of a large number of weapons and military equipment to the border with Syria. In particular, some quantities were reported to the border areas tanks. Concerns are expressed about the possibility of using this equipment to invade Syria with the goal of the final overthrow of legitimate authority.


For obvious reasons, the main concern in this context is caused by Turkish tanks. It is this technique, according to the current views on the course of armed conflicts, that is capable of ensuring rapid movement of troops over the territory being seized. Thus, it is the tanks of the Turkish armed forces that may pose a particular danger to the Syrian army. Nevertheless, it should be noted that the Turkish armored forces have several specific features. For example, it can be noted that a large number of army armored vehicles is compensated by the presence of a significant number of vehicles of obsolete types. Consider the fleet of Turkish tanks in more detail.

According to the directory The Military Balance of 2014, the army of Turkey’s ground forces consist of several types of 2504 tank. In addition, about 2000 machines are located on the storage bases. In service and in storage there is a vehicle of seven modifications purchased from the United States and Germany. It should be noted that Turkey is attempting to create tanks of its own design, but so far such projects are not very successful. Thus, the promising main tank Altay so far exists only in the form of several prototypes, and its mass production will begin no earlier than 2017 of the year. In this regard, ground forces have to operate only the available equipment, in some cases not differing in novelty.


Transportation of tanks in the border areas. Photo Vnews.agency


The most massive tanks of the Turkish army are the American-made M48A5T1 and M48A5T2 vehicles, which were modernized according to Turkish designs. As of last year, the troops had 850 armored vehicles of both types. In addition, a large number of such equipment to date, decommissioned and sent to storage. The M48A5T1 / T2 tanks can be considered an excellent example of the state of affairs in the Turkish armed forces: Turkey still has a large amount of outdated technology, which is not expected to be replaced. At the same time, it should be noted that in the foreseeable future, the command is planning to replace the existing M48A5T1 / T2 with new Altay tanks, but this will take a lot of time.

According to reports, the Turkish M48 family tanks were supplied by the manufacturing country in the M48A5 configuration. This modification of the American tank had a modified turret with a M68 cannon of caliber 105 mm and, for a number of characteristics, did not differ from earlier versions. Later, Turkish specialists, with the assistance of foreign colleagues, carried out modernization of the outdated equipment. The M48A5T1 project implied the installation on the existing tanks of the new diesel engines of the German company MTU and the fire control system borrowed from the M60A1 tanks. In addition, the equipment included passive night vision equipment. The next upgrade with the T2 index implied the upgrade of T1 tanks using the fire control system from the M60A3 tank and the introduction of some additional units, such as a laser range finder.

In total, Turkey has received about 3 thousand tanks M48A5, which are still in service or in storage. In view of the development of a resource, such equipment was gradually decommissioned and accumulated at storage bases. Most of the inactive Turkish tanks currently belong to the M48 family. Nevertheless, despite the great age, such equipment is still the most popular in the Turkish army.


MBT Altay. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The second largest tanks of Turkey are American M60A3. As of last year, ground forces exploited 658 machines of this type. The development of the main tank M60A3 began in the late seventies, and over the next few years, the first combat vehicles of the new type were sent to customers. Characteristic features of the project with the letters “A3” were the use of an updated fire control system with improved performance at night, equipped with a new laser range finder. At the same time, however, the power plant, weapons and armor did not change significantly. Like its predecessors, the main tank M60A3 carries the 105-mm gun M68. In the future, the base M60A3 became the basis for several new modifications.

A few decades ago, the Turkish armed forces purchased several 950 armored vehicles from the US for several modifications of the M60 family. Currently, less of this equipment remains in service. During operation, new modifications were mastered, such as the M60A3 TTS with updated optics and electronics or M60T Sabra, developed by Israeli experts. Also in service remain the 274 tank M60A1, not characterized by high performance. By virtue of the development of the resource, the Turkish tanks of the M60 family are gradually being put into reserve and sent to storage.

On arms of the Turkish armored troops consists of equipment not only American, but also German production. The most popular cars from Germany are the Leopard 1 tanks of two modifications, the total number of which is 397 units. In the past, the Turkish military bought 227 tanks Leopard 1A3 and 120 Leopard 1A4. These modifications of the “Leopard-1” were created in the early seventies and differed from the previous ones by some changes in the design and composition of the equipment. The main indicators of armored vehicles remained the same.


Tank M60 one of the old versions. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Over time, the Turkish army ordered the development of a project to modernize outdated Leopard 1A3 tanks. As part of this order, Aselsan has developed a new Volkan fire control system. To date, all the drill "Leopards" version 1A3 received a new SLA and a number of other components. This modification received the designation Leopard 1T. Tanks modification "1A4" still serve without any changes.

In the middle of the two thousandth, the Turkish armed forces purchased Leopard 2A4 tanks from Germany, previously operated by the Bundeswehr. To date, 354 machines of this type have been supplied. At the moment, "Leopards" option "2A4" are the newest and most advanced armored vehicles of its class in the Turkish army. High combat performance is provided by a modern fire control system and fairly sophisticated sighting devices, as well as 120-mm smooth-bore guns from Rheinmetall.

A few years ago, information appeared about the creation by Aselsan of the project Leopard 2NG (New Generation). This project involved the use of a number of new components, partly borrowed from the tank Altay. Accurate information about the modernization of the existing technology and the number of converted machines is missing. At the same time, it was previously claimed that Finland is showing its interest in the Leopard 2NG project.


M60T Sabra with equipment of Israeli development. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


As you can see, the Turkish armed forces have a sufficiently numerous, but not the most advanced fleet of armored vehicles. Of the two and a half thousand tanks that remain in service, no more than half can be considered modern and have sufficiently high characteristics - Leopard 2A4, as well as upgraded versions of the Leopard 1 and M60 machines. The rest of the tanks no longer fully meet the requirements of the time, which is why in the foreseeable future they should be written off and replaced with more modern equipment.

It can be assumed that in combined arms combat with any army with modern tanks, aviation and other equipment, as well as appropriate communication and control systems, the Turkish ground forces will suffer serious losses, associated primarily with the specific composition of their equipment fleet. Even modern "Leopards-2" and modernized armored vehicles of the old versions are unlikely to have a significant impact on the course of battles. However, such conclusions concern only full-fledged clashes involving all military branches.

Local conflicts of the last decades mostly managed without mass tank attacks and other phenomena typical of the wars of the past. Thus, in existing conditions, not only the age of the equipment and its technical perfection, but also some other factors that make it difficult to predict the outcome of battles can come to the fore. Thus, during the invasion of Syria, Turkish troops are unlikely to face the organized resistance of a large number of enemy tanks. However, in this case there are new threats.

Most of the battles in Syria take place on the territory of populated areas, where the effectiveness of tanks and other armored vehicles is markedly reduced due to a number of specific factors, primarily due to the large spread of light anti-tank weapons. Thus, even the newest and most sophisticated combat vehicles, once in the city, are at the same risk as their outdated “brothers”. Ultimately, all this seriously complicates the prediction of the actions of a particular army.


Tank Leopard 1A3. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Based on the available data, it can be assumed that the Turkish armored forces, having a large and “heterogeneous” fleet of vehicles, are fully capable of effectively fighting an adversary who does not have a large amount of modern equipment and weapons. At the same time, in the presence of relatively new tanks, anti-tank missile systems and sufficient air support, the conditional enemy is quite capable of causing great damage to Turkish tank formations, knocking out a significant amount of equipment.

In the context of the current conflict, it can be assumed that Turkish armored forces are capable of causing significant damage to many participants in the Syrian war, from government troops to various armed groups. At the same time, they themselves are at risk of suffering serious losses from large amounts of anti-tank weapons available in the region.

In addition, it is difficult to predict how tank duels between Turkish military vehicles and Syrian vehicles of Soviet / Russian construction can end. Thus, the various modifications of the T-72 of Syria have noticeable advantages over the outdated Turkish tanks, and an objective comparison of these machines with the “Leopard 2” is not possible due to various factors. However, in conditions of real conflict, the advantage may be on the side of the Syrian military, who know their territory well and own equipment.

Attempts to predict the course and results of a hypothetical conflict involving Turkish tanks are associated with a number of characteristic difficulties that seriously impede forecasting. Nevertheless, one can hardly argue with objective facts: despite the large number, the material part of the armored forces of Turkey is not new and, as a result, high fighting qualities, and the ability of the small modern technology to have a noticeable effect on the course of the fighting raises serious doubts.


Based on:
The Military Balance 2014
http://defense-update.com/
http://globalsecurity.org/
http://ria.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
http://armyrecognition.com/
http://military-today.com/
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  1. Mera joota
    Mera joota 7 December 2015 07: 08 New
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    Well, then the large-scale delivery of ASAD anti-tank systems can offset the advantages of the Turks in tanks. But again, the preparation of the Turkish infantry is not known whether it can interact with tanks. Assad lost a huge number of tanks, but it seems to be not very scary, because the military commissariat works, the most important thing is that Assad has few trained crews, many died ...
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 7 December 2015 12: 24 New
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      Quote: Mera Joota
      Assad lost a huge number of tanks, but it seems to be not very scary, because the military commissariat works, the most important thing is that Assad has few trained crews, many died ...

      Does not play a big role. Assad has no aircraft, but the Turks have. In such circumstances, the Turks will not even fight with the Assad tanks, they will simply shoot from the air, as in a shooting gallery.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 7 December 2015 12: 51 New
        +1
        In such circumstances, the Turks will not even fight with the Assad tanks, they will simply shoot from the air, as in a shooting gallery.
        And this is the 3rd World War.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 December 2015 13: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Gomunkul
          And this is the 3rd World War.

          Why all of a sudden? If the Turks fight with the Syrians directly, I doubt very much that someone will rush to harness for both. The same Americans regularly write out the luli of the Syrian government army, but no third world war began because of this.
          1. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 7 December 2015 16: 05 New
            +1
            Why all of a sudden?
            As you explain, one thing is a regional conflict (Israel-Palestine), another is a global one (Syria-Turkey-Iraq-Iran-Russia-France, Jordan and the CA are in line, maybe Egypt and Algeria with Tunisia will be drawn through Libya). In Syria, the conflict has already grown into a global one, and the United States is happy to push Turkey into the crucible of the global war, the larger the war, the better for the US economy, and no one has refused the project on the gold billion. hi
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 8 December 2015 00: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Gomunkul
              As you explain, one thing is a regional conflict (Israel-Palestine), another is a global one (Syria-Turkey-Iraq-Iran-Russia-France, Jordan and the CA are in line, maybe Egypt and Algeria with Tunisia will be drawn through Libya).

              Something of globality I do not observe any. France and Russia here are, in fact, slightly involved: three dozen aircraft are not enough for a "global" conflict. The rest of the participants are located within the same region, so that their bunny will be quite regional in nature.

              It would become global if Russia seriously grappled with, say, France or the United States at once. And so, in 2003, troops gathered from around the world in Iraq, the number of official participants in the event exceeded ten. This, it turns out, was the 3rd world?
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 December 2015 16: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            The same Americans regularly write out luli of the Syrian government army, but no third world war began because of this

            And do not forget how many times Israel bombed the warehouses and columned troops of Assad.
            1. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 7 December 2015 18: 42 New
              +3
              Assad’s troops? but by and large (something government) once - the center associated with some kind of weapon of mass destruction. Basically - warehouses, bases and hezbollah transport. plus a couple of times the goals at the airport and port (which also belonged to Hezbollah) - Syria did not even protest (moreover, it even denied those cargoes). but the bombing of Syrian government troops? after 1982? I do not remember
          3. Scraptor
            Scraptor 8 December 2015 05: 09 New
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            Turks need to be reminded that for some reason the Chinese do not climb into Russia, although they have a completely different scale, so it is better for Turkish and any other tanks and planes (even the F-22) not to go to Syria

            The Third World, thermonuclear, should start not there, but because of Diaoyu / Senkaku in the East China Sea
      2. SIvan
        SIvan 7 December 2015 21: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        Assad has no aircraft, but the Turks have.

        I think if the Turks decide on a direct invasion, Assad will suddenly have attack aircraft and helicopters. On the basis of Khmeimim, we already have our Su-25SM and Mi-24, you can use other airfields, as well as use the Mi-28N or Ka-52.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 8 December 2015 00: 26 New
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          Quote: SIvan
          I think if the Turks decide on a direct invasion, Assad "suddenly appear" attack aircraft and helicopters

          Attack aircraft and helicopters will not win air superiority. And without it, superiority, and if the enemy has fighter aircraft, all these attack aircraft / helicopters are simply suicide bombers.

          Quote: SIvan
          and also use the Mi-28N or Ka-52

          Who will give them Assad. The Syrian army has long been famous for its, to put it mildly, dubious combat readiness. To trust these warriors with such modern and expensive equipment is somehow directly pathetic. Unless some old Mi-24 will be presented for slaughter.
          1. SIvan
            SIvan 8 December 2015 11: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            Who will give them Assad. The Syrian army has long been famous for its, to put it mildly, dubious combat readiness.

            I meant our pilots, of course. And fighters including.
            I said about attack aircraft and helicopters because the fight against tanks is being discussed.
            The S-400, as already said, is also there.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 10 December 2015 00: 00 New
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              Quote: SIvan
              I meant our pilots, of course. And fighters including.

              Those. so that our pilots destroy the troops of a state that is a member of NATO? Something very doubtful. Turkey has already made it clear that even for a slight inconvenience in the form of a brief violation of the border, they are ready to use force, while NATO, in fact, has secretly supported it. Fighting with the Turks in the open will be very expensive.
      3. Dam
        Dam 7 December 2015 22: 03 New
        +2
        And what are the S-400s worth? For furniture?
        1. family
          family tree 7 December 2015 23: 20 New
          +2
          Turkey's second largest tanks - American M60A3

          And here just now I’ve found such a turnip, in the sense of a hybrid

          Only, quietly, between us, purely for internal use
          Called M60 "Patton-4" modification 120s.
          Yeah, the tower from the "Abrams" wink
          Even, in the course of shitty in the elven kingdom, if a hodovka of the 50s under a non-current tower is let down
          1. family
            family tree 7 December 2015 23: 39 New
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            Quote: perepilka
            Yeah, the tower from Abrams wink

            Account for the second. Link from where pulled:
            http://topru.org/29315/peredovye-amerikanskie-texnologii/
  2. Polovtsian
    Polovtsian 7 December 2015 07: 33 New
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    So, the Syrian T-72 of various modifications have significant advantages over outdated Turkish tanks
    I advise the author to work out the material better.
    1. To study more thoroughly the results of the modernization of the "outdated" Turkish tanks and what their combat capabilities are now. (And they are in many respects higher than the T72, even modifications of the "B")
    2. Clarify the quality composition of the tank fleet of the Syrian army. (There are far from all T72 tanks)
  3. Sasha75
    Sasha75 7 December 2015 08: 25 New
    +3
    It turns out that half of all Turkish tanks has exhausted its resources, and the remaining ones are being developed even though Turkey itself does not produce tanks, but only plans to do so in the future, so they will fight there. I understand that our tanks are also outdated and if we supply our old equipment to Syria to Iraq, the alignment is approximately equal, but we have many spare parts for it, and ammunition was not prepared for such a war, so the alignment is not in their favor.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 7 December 2015 12: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Sasha75
      if we supply our old equipment to Syria Iraq

      The question is how to do this. You can’t throw tanks through the air, and ships with tanks cannot pass through the Black Sea straits: the Turks are not fools to let them through without any reason.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 December 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      Old is not synonymous with worn out. Let me remind you that the Turks in storage are worn out equipment, and we, although old, but not worn.
  4. igordok
    igordok 7 December 2015 09: 28 New
    +2
    The Americans are modernizing their M60, erecting towers from Abrams. Maybe the Turks will do something similar with M48. no

    http://btvt.narod.ru/3/120S.htm или это фейк.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 7 December 2015 10: 28 New
      +1
      A tower weighing like a t-34 on an m-60? I heard in Israel they set up towers that were similar only in appearance to abrams, but this is only in appearance.
    2. Forest
      Forest 7 December 2015 10: 48 New
      -1
      The United States has long removed the M60 from service. Only now on the M48 120-mmka is unlikely to crawl, and it is easier to finish the remaining M60 to the Sabra version.
    3. Patton5
      Patton5 7 December 2015 13: 39 New
      +2
      This is a very old program, or rather an attempt to modernize the M60, designed for the owners of this pepepilats ... potential buyers were not interested
  5. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 7 December 2015 09: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Sasha75
    It turns out that half of all Turkish tanks has exhausted its resources, and the remaining ones are being developed even though Turkey itself does not produce tanks, but only plans to do so in the future, so they will fight there.

    It depends on who they are going to fight with. If it is quite enough with Syria or Iraq, given the current state of both armies and the fact that they are already fighting with this Daish or Iblis State. And if anything, they’ll throw kakos still, F-16 they put, give a ride and something else ...
  6. Sasha75
    Sasha75 7 December 2015 09: 57 New
    0


    And no one took the C300 from Syria, and our C400 + can be used to throw air defense there on the Shell and Arrows to cope with the Needles of norms.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 December 2015 11: 14 New
    +8
    Both "Patton", and M48, and M60 Israel used for many years.
    Patton is mechanically reliable, comfortable for the crew,
    they always had a good SLA and a gun.
    Their main disadvantage: insufficient booking and
    fire hazard. Israel hung on them additional
    passive armor and DZ. This partially solved the problem.
    But penetration, as a rule, caused a fire. Fast detonation
    ammunition did not occur, but the tank burned down, and the tankers received
    serious burns.
    1. Logos
      Logos 8 December 2015 15: 20 New
      +1
      I read somewhere that the increased fire hazard of the “patton” was the result of an insufficiently perfect hydraulic turning of the tower, because the “centurion” was more popular with Israeli tankers than the “patton”
  8. mvg
    mvg 7 December 2015 12: 34 New
    +4
    Neither Iraq, nor Syria, nor even Iran now have an MBT park, in the middle class comparable to Turkey. Syria has almost no T-72 left, judging by the cuts in hostilities. In Iraq, I don’t know how much the United States delivered Abrams ... something like about 200 cars. Iran stopped at mid-90s. For anti-tank helicopters the same picture.
    If the Turks want to make a march to Damascus, few will be able to stop them.
    300-350 modern tanks (just as many are now on the border with Syria), with the support of aviation, and Damascus under the crescent flag. Then you can start trading ..
    "Swan song" Erdogad, do not you? Little victorious war ..
    PS: I heard the God-chosen ones were “proud” of the Sabra version .. Not the navel of the universe, but they were brought to the level of the first M1A1 .. And I don’t know how Russia can answer.
    1. yehat
      yehat 7 December 2015 20: 40 New
      0
      But who needs to measure their tanks with the Turks ???
      anti-tank missiles in the infantry in defense work perfectly - the same Israelis showed in the Doomsday War. And Turkey cannot afford a combined and massive invasion.
      Pounce ala Georgia vs Ossetia? Do not tell my slippers!
      The Syrians have an army battered, but mobilized, there will be no blitzkrieg.
  9. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 7 December 2015 12: 56 New
    0
    Yes zamenit all zanoch! :) as they did in Chechnya. Before the release of the militants. I do not remember any field. The militants pulled out live demining.
  10. Sasha75
    Sasha75 7 December 2015 13: 23 New
    0
    We still have t-34 engines in our warehouses and maxims are in reserve even in Ukraine. 35 thousand Maxims remained although they were sold as the last time and you want to prove to me that the numbers that we have 22 thousand tanks in stock is not a myth. And if they are very hot, we’ll take the equipment along the path of the Caliber in the Caspian through Iran to Iraq and Syria. By airplanes you can also get equipment from there oranges and lemons))). The Turks buy scrap metal, and we, why we don’t sell our own, or until the last we will keep the T-55 T-64 until we rust.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 7 December 2015 15: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Sasha75
      we have 22 thousand tanks in stock

      It is important to understand that most of these 22.000 are ancient trash that has long been out of operation. Selling such junk - you won’t even beat the cost of transportation. Is that to offer pickup :)

      Quote: Sasha75
      And if they are very hot, we’ll take the equipment along the way of the Caliber in the Caspian through Iran to Iraq and Syria

      Right We attach wings to the T-55 with a propeller - and forward. Turkish air defense workers as you will see - right away with slender columns to a psychiatrist :)
      1. Sasha75
        Sasha75 7 December 2015 17: 20 New
        0
        Well, you can’t be so narrow-minded even if you look at the globe, if at school in geography the deuce were not at least fallen, do not show stupidity in silence. There is more than one way through the Bosphorus, and as for airspace in general, precipitate well, Turkey is everywhere and you can’t go around it all over the globe of Turkey, and I probably already explained our Caliber as flying, but there was a deuce in reading, although there’s one stupid one to learn a place to break in vain.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 December 2015 21: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Sasha75
          Well, you can’t be so narrow-minded even if you look at the globe, if at school in geography the deuce were not at least fallen, do not show stupidity in silence

          You, dear, firstly, do not poke me, and secondly, do not be rude. Thirdly, through the Bosphorus, yes, not one. You can still give the round-robin after half a globus and try to poke through Suez. Oh, Egypt and I are somehow not so good now, terrorism has been in the same place recently. Bad luck, yeah. But fearless now Sasha75 on the globe, draw a straight line from the Caspian to Damascus, the tanks will go straight along it, along the line, and go. Iran / Iraq, because for happiness, drive foreign tank columns on its territory :)
          1. SIvan
            SIvan 7 December 2015 21: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            Iran / Iraq, because for happiness, drive foreign tank columns on its territory :)

            Iran and Iraq, I think, will not mind. Especially in light of the current events with the entry of the Turkish military into Iraqi Kurdistan.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 8 December 2015 00: 29 New
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              Quote: SIvan
              Iran and Iraq, I think, will not mind.

              Iraq is under US control. If they do not allow, then Iraq will not agree. Iran also does not need such maneuvers, it is generally disadvantageous for Russia's overly active role in this conflict. Then, sanctions have just been lifted from Iran and can easily be imposed back, so that he will not quarrel with Western "friends". And what can Russia trump here?
              1. SIvan
                SIvan 8 December 2015 11: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Kalmar
                Iran also does not need such maneuvers, it is generally disadvantageous for Russia's overly active role in this conflict.

                And if Assad is thrown off, will Iran like it?
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 8 December 2015 17: 20 New
                  -1
                  Quote: SIvan
                  And if Assad is thrown off, will Iran like it?

                  I will say that Iran will definitely not like it - if they decide to let it into the European gas market at the last moment. And such an embarrassment can easily happen if he suddenly begins to behave improperly.

                  As for Assad, he is currently a political corpse. Most of the country is beyond its control, most of the population rebelled against it; the same Yanukovych in a similar position just ran away, but Assad has nowhere to run. His only chance is to somehow agree with the United States. True, I can’t imagine what he can offer the Americans. Iran doesn’t really solve anything here, unless it can help to slightly prolong the agony.
  11. stdemetrio
    stdemetrio 7 December 2015 16: 44 New
    +8
    I do not want to seem rude, but the Hussites in Yemen do an excellent job with the Saudi army, which is not much different from the Turkish :) Soviet weapons fellow
    1. TARAS BULBA
      TARAS BULBA 7 December 2015 22: 58 New
      +1
      they still have morale besides our technology and clear goals and objectives;)
  12. Nross
    Nross 7 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +2
    The author repeatedly mentions that both the M60A3 and M48 are quite old and almost unsuitable for modern TVDs, but by the middle of the article his opinion is changing: not an Aryan.

    The M60 is the same age as the T-72, on the basis of which, incidentally, the T-90 self-propelled - the main tank of the RA - was assembled many times. So there is nothing to compare. Although, of course, the various ATGMs mentioned many times above under the conditions of the Syrian campaign can seriously change the balance of power.

    In general, we categorically should not underestimate the southern Basurman. As the practice of a dozen armed conflicts with them over the past three hundred years has shown, they know how to fight, with the proper mentorship of the Anglo-Saxons.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 December 2015 19: 37 New
      +1
      This peer has a 105 mm gun
    2. yehat
      yehat 7 December 2015 20: 47 New
      +1
      M60 nifiga is not the same age as T72, M60 is the heir to M48, who was the same age as T55 and inferior to it catastrophically even when Berlin was divided. In terms of technological level, T72 can only be compared with a challenger or abrams, but not with a series of patton-like tins.
      There was a post above that talked about a good M60 gun, however, this gun was good maximum until the end of the 50s. A deeply modernized M60 can be dangerous for the T72, T64, however, no more.
      1. Logos
        Logos 8 December 2015 15: 37 New
        +1
        M60 - the heir to the M48, who was the same age as the T55 and was inferior to it catastrophically even when Berlin was divided

        M48 met with T55 in the Arab-Israeli wars and T55 did not show themselves, to put it mildly

        In terms of technological level, the T72 can only be compared with a challenger or abrams, but not with a series of patton-like tins

        T-1 can be compared with Challenger or M64, but not the T72 of the first modifications in any way with its poor armor protection and weak OMS. This is especially true for export t72

        As for the 105mm gun, I remember it seems that the T64 at the time of its creation “held” its shots from 400m. For T72 (especially export), the distance of destruction should be greater - this is for 105mm shots of the 70s. On the modernized M60, more modern ammunition for a 105mm gun may well be used. And the M60 SUA surpasses that of the T72 so much that in the tank duel the M60 gains an obvious advantage - its crew will quickly detect the T72 and fire the first shot
  13. Type 63
    Type 63 7 December 2015 23: 45 New
    0
    The Turks seem to have been armed with the very old M47
  14. Lanista
    Lanista 9 December 2015 13: 59 New
    0
    Let's face it - most Turkish tanks in modern conditions are, by the totality of characteristics, the equivalent of BBMs rather than tanks themselves. The armor of all these Leo-1, M60 (and even more so, gee-gee, M48) is not able to withstand ATGMs even in the middle of the 70-x, I am silent about later developments. In the case of a serious slaughter Syria-Turkey with the competent work of Voentorg, the Turks will wash themselves with blood.
  15. Yak28
    Yak28 23 December 2015 07: 12 New
    0
    About Turkish Tanks - Junk